My Gentrification Hot Take

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#gentrification

[@jamesbarr8218]

Michael Brooks: be kind to individuals, be ruthless to systems

[@CassieAngelica]

The left has endured a great loss. He is missed by many.

[@bobjason7540]

Systems are made and ran by individuals

[@nychris2258]

Systems are people.. that makes no sense. If you want to change the system you need to realize that fact first.

[@amethyst6531]

​@@bobjason7540 That's true, it's also true that no individual is important enough to singlehandedly uphold a system. If we remove a CEO another one will just replace the former.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

@@bobjason7540 radlib take. Once you get past this, you'll realize there's yet another bigger picture

[@emboman13]

Gentrification is fundamentally an issue when the areas gentrified have low-home ownership rates + the actual residents don’t profit off of gentrification and only get screwed over by the landlords who reap the profits of it

[@TheTokkin]

Gentrification is fundementally an issue of housing supply.

[@nychris2258]

Umm, landlords are people too.

[@nychris2258]

@@drollrambler4982 You realize that not every landlord is a huge soulless corporation, and not every tenant is poorer than their landlord. Rich people rent for various reasons too. Are you saying rich people shouldnt be allowed to pay rent to someone less wealthy than they are?

[@JohnQ5]

​@@nychris2258they are also people who don't have to worry about losing the place they rest their heads

[@Alex-wi1mx]

​@@nychris2258 landlords are subhuman

[@robertanderson4921]

People who get really mad about gentrification tend to also be mad at OTHER VICTIMS of gentrification. I'll use New York as the example - people get mad at young white people for moving into Brooklyn instead of getting mad at the landlords who priced them out of Manhattan. Those young white people DON'T HAVE other options. They're priced out of neighborhoods, so they go to cheaper ones, then gentrification.

[@the5002ndpanda]

like, what are they supposed to do? be homeless?

[@callowaymotorcompany]

Misplaced anger doesnt really make them wrong though. Plus that meme was braindead. Gentrification IS bad for people just trying to get by in poor neighborhoods. It's also not a "white" thing, its a wealth thing. It just tends to be white people who roll into non white majority places with more money because its America. And of all things gentrification is related to, it has zero to do with white people historically seeing too many minorities and wanting to leave an area due to racism, which is what white flight is. Rare vaush L imo.

[@johnwinter2252]

It's important to learn the history of gentrification in America. 50 years ago it was used as a weapon and done intentionally. Today not so much. Young people from every race are looking for someone cheap.

[@pierregibson6699]

I Travel 🧳 Around the World for DOD and Love all over the Country the Entire World is getting gentrified 😮 weather they understand it or not…..It’s called the FLYING V EFFECT……

[@justawoman380]

Gentrification is a racial gripe, not an economic one for most folk. Do you hear poor black people in Atlanta complaining about the existence of buckhead, a wealthy black neighborhood in Atlanta? No, because black people (not all) will always put their blackness first. Pretending that this racial strife can be solved is exhausting. I’m for seperation.

[@louishindle6620]

Objectively correct. Property developers gentrify, not middle class minorities wanting to be somewhere they’re not gonna be hate crimed to death.

[@TheTokkin]

Developers do not gentrify. They are the solution to displacement.

[@leroyjenkins12345]

Except it's not middle class minorities who are moving into gentrified areas.

[@Krawnbundungle]

Ah yes the Venn diagram of humanity consisting of only property developers and middle class minorities

[@mossystone584]

Landlords and realtors gentrify

[@XMysticHerox]

Even then property developers are only partially to blame. It is 90% zoning and other decisions made at the government level. Though most real estate moguls certainly push for the worst policies.

[@jakobc.2558]

It realy is incredible how much of our city design is just rich people not wanting to live next to poor people.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

Feudalism never truly died. It just changed its form into what is now capitalism.

[@krainex]

If you were rich or higher middle class were would you live?

[@jakobc.2558]

@@krainex among the people. The only reason why I would want to live away from poor people as a rich person is because I hate them as a product of classism or if I fealth guilty because I knew that I was exploiting them. Most rich people live horrible lives because they are alienated from society. But they deliberately self isolate because of the reasons mentioned above.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

@@jakobc.2558 some rich people have the most gorgeous partners (usually white) and travel to Tulum and Greece. Yes, they are miserable because as you said they are alienated.

[@NomastiAfricanWarlord]

@@jakobc.2558 It's nice to think that rich people live horrible, sad lives. But that's blatantly false and not backed up by any empirical evidence. Rich people are overall happier. Their lives are easier and they are more likely to die usually content and fulfilled. This belief that rich people are miserable is just copium. Like people who think that school bullies were being abused by their parents, didn't have any friends, and would grow up to be poor losers. When in reality plenty of school bullies were spoiled rotten by loving parents, were super popular, and get cushy well paying jobs. We have an obsession with Karmic justice in the universe. When it really doesn't exist.

[@alexandrudorries3307]

Gentrification is really an issue of inaffordability resulting from our stupid housing market. Edit: luv me some systemic critique.

[@LizStaples]

It doesn’t help that we haven’t built to keep up with population growth for decades leaving us in a nationwide shortage. Then we have banks and trusts holding property as an asset with no incentive to actually make available as housing as well. Policy is only fix.

[@user-up1op3kz9q]

Individual tenants don’t gentrify. Developers do. Landowners do. It’s literally that simple

[@aligatorsandwitch72]

City Counsels gentrify

[@KnoxOnTopProductions]

Yeah and i know it should be obvious but ‘landowners’ doesn’t mean the guy who has 10 acres and grow potatoes in his yard lol

[@deagle2yadome696]

individuals get called gentrifiers ALL the time

[@tristanneal9552]

​@@deagle2yadome696 yeah but I think everyone in this comment section agrees they shouldn't be

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@tristanneal9552 cause Daddy Vaush told you that’s a no no?

[@jurgnobs1308]

slight correction: you absolutely should accuse individuals. but only if these individuals are real estate moguls and "developers". because those absolutely do knowingly cause this. but yes, normal citizens just moving are not at fault

[@unfortunatelythis4183]

^THIS. This is a take cognizant of how gentrification actually works. Thank you for the nuance.

[@AximVidya]

those aren't people tho, they are demons wearing human skin so I think vaush's framing still stands

[@recurrenTopology]

I don't think you should blame individual citizens, but areas often gentrify without much development. Where I grew up, the built environment is largely the same, small lot single family homes and low rise commercial businesses, but the neighborhood has gone from having diverse socio-economic and racial mix to being almost exclusively wealthy.

[@tamajack8179]

Part of the issue also has to do with predatory landlords too. I live in an inner city neighborhood right now where most houses were built from the 1890s to the 1930s, and you can always tell immediately whether the people living there actually own their home or if it belongs to a property management company. All of the homes that are owned by people are super nice despite their age (I have a friend who lives in a home built in the 1920s and it's beautiful because her parents own it and take pride in it), and all of the shitty run down homes are rented by companies who don't give a shit about them. They basically try to rent it out over and over again until the home has to be condemned, then they bulldoze what could have been a really nice craftsman/sears home to build some cheap box that looks "modern" Obviously, sometimes these buildings do have to be condemned and destroyed, but it's sad to see large companies buying these historical homes letting them waste away in the name of profit, when they would otherwise be protected and cherishes by the people who live there if they owned them.

[@Bl4ckDr4co]

@@sportsentertained All landlords are predatory

[@emdivine]

@@Bl4ckDr4co Is parasitism considered predation? looked it up, they're not considered the same but the only real difference is predators eat their victims, parasites don't. So colloquially I'd say yeah parasitism is predation

[@thenewmase]

I agree that class related policies should be enforced by rock

[@alex_blue5802]

What does that even mean 😂

[@gemmatweedy7585]

@@alex_blue5802 Let me rephrase it: Rock... through the window.

[@Hannahgs]

Thank you lol I get so tired of seeing someone get mad at a middle class or up person moving into a poorer neighborhood and calling that gentrification 😭😭😭😭 the thing we should actually be upset about the city pricing the residents out of their own neighborhoods instead of just fixing them up and then helping the people that live there stay. We want cities to invest in these neighborhoods for the sake of improving them for the people that live there. We want landlords to f off and to not be the only people able to profit from fixed up neighborhoods. I remember listening to a podcast where someone sent in a question asking if it was gentrification and bad for them (a middle class white girl) to have moved to a majority POC neighborhood in queens cause it was all she could afford. Apparently the answer was yes, she should not have moved there. She should have left New York instead 🙄 or like when I read a story about a woman who tried to open a cat cafe near a hispanic neighborhood and was protested out of town because that apparently was gentrification and bad.

[@isabelmcgaugh711]

That’s super depressing

[@MrShitthead]

Yeah man, an ex of mine moved into the Bronx and she got shit on for being there. In my opinion, it's not much different than shitty white people who lobby to keep POC's out of their neighborhoods in fear of dropping the values of their homes... you know, cuz one black or Hispanic family is going to tank the local housing market...

[@SimoneThomas-p6p]

That's why citizens should vote no on all government initiatives such as school bonds etc. and fight against rising property taxes and rising inflation. The only thing not going up is my pay check.

[@dandarr5035]

"How do you enforce that? Rock." Based. He didn't even stop to think about it, just answered straight away. You love to see it.

[@_TehTJ_]

The shitty thing about gentrification is how it comes in waves. The people gentrifying lower-class neighborhoods aren't celebrities and businesspeople, they're just people who make a bit more money than usual. But that's all it takes to raise prices. Those people are then displaced by people who make a bit more money, they're displaced by people who make lots of money, and down the line they're displaced by oligarchs and real estate companies. People don't gentrify, systems do. I'm sure most people in the first camp don't tend to want the original residents out, and they're simply the upcoming victims of the same thing.

[@impartialthrone2097]

I think "Rock" might be my favorite political strategy ever conceived, and I have Vaush to thank.

[@iamaloafofbread8926]

The only time I get mad at people is when they ruin bread (like shoving their face into bread, nailing bread to trees, etc.) For views.

[@evelyncarr6421]

How do you feel about serious bread, who commented a few minutes before you?

[@sportsentertained]

Is everyone Bread where you're from or just you?

[@bukowski9526]

bread in French is pain

[@emporioalnino4670]

Stapling bread to trees is high art. I can't stand for this.

[@VitalVampyr]

@@emporioalnino4670 They call it a staple food for a reason.

[@wormy2919]

Robert Tolppi had a good video just about this like couple of days ago and how ppl watered down gentrification critique to just ''haha, hipster white woman moved next to me'' memes

[@TheRealAb216]

the problem is that most people in those areas don't won homes they rent and when gentrification happens the land lords raise rents to force out the poor people so they can then sell the property at an insane rate. its what happened in Ohio and area of Cleveland. homes that normally would have been worth at most 80k and were mostly rentals started being sold for double the normal value and no affordable housing was bult.

[@sportsentertained]

It's become really bad recently in my home town since Covid. Rich people from the cities came in waves, skyrocketing the houses prices while there's no new developments going on. A big group of mostly employed young adults, born and raised here, are now living in tents in the woods outside town. sad times.

[@emporioalnino4670]

Rents wouldn't have to rise if we actually built enough housing. But it's illegal pretty much everywhere in the US.

[@LizStaples]

Worse many banks and trusts will hold property as an asset and not provide it for rent or sale (less wear and tear, and they are speculating price go up up up making holding more value able than selling) basically taking it out of housing market.

[@RageOfBeef]

​@@emporioalnino4670 we don't even need more housing last I checked there's around 60% of the housing in America that is completely viable yet left vacant specifically so that the artificial scarcity allows landlords and real estate companies to drive the costs of the housing they are filling upwards, like think of it this way, you have four houses, you crank the rates on two WAAAY up to a nigh unaffordable level, now you have two houses of a liveable level, two tenants move in and start paying rent, at first this isn't tenable, but then, you raise the rent, claiming that the other homes you own are worth more and the home they own now has increased in value and the tenants are lucky to be here, guilting the tenants into paying more, rinse and repeat, now you have people paying way more than the two homes are worth, simply by making the other two scarce and expensive, giving yourself predatory leverage, they can't move anywhere else, you own the other two houses on the block that they REALLY can't afford, that's the problem with the American housing market, if you make an artificial homeless problem, make people feel lucky to have a home, and make sure that you have control over as many of the alternative homes as possible and make them harder to live in, then you can wring the homes you have with people in them for every penny you want

[@TheRealAb216]

@@emporioalnino4670 every new apartment complex that's gone up has been "luxury apartments".

[@Yal_Rathol]

gentrification is only an issue because when low-income areas get upgraded, it prices out the low-income residents. if there was, i dunno, some sort of economic system regulated in such a way to keep prices low through increased competition, that would prevent gentrification from even being a thing. some sort of, oh, social, market-based, mixed method economy as a transitionary piece into a more and more socialist economy. too bad such a thing is impossible, there's no way for _the richest governments on earth_ to handle the issue of high-cost living spaces.

[@emporioalnino4670]

If only we could increase housing supply to fulfill demand for new residents moving in, as well as prevent rents from rising so existing residents aren't priced out. Maybe somebody should build an entire political ideology around that concept 🌞

[@Yal_Rathol]

@@emporioalnino4670 the problem isn't supply, there are more houses than people in north america. the problem is the cost of those houses were low (20 years ago), so foreign investors came in and bought them for rent or resale, leading to a market bubble that popped in 2008. that market crash, the great recession, then took away what little funding people had and resulted in people being evicted from homes they couldn't afford anymore. with no supports in place, people just fell down the hole, deeper and deeper into debt with no way out. so, we need a social safety net to uplift those people and regulation to prevent another housing market crash. following that, we need to dismantle the results of the southern strategy and work on improving the lives of people. and while i'm dreaming, i'd like a pony.

[@Fractured_Unity]

@@Yal_Rathol There is major supply issues in most desirable cities. Even cities that are easier to develop in like Austin or Columbus aren’t able to keep up with demand and are seeing major price increases. The main cause of the affordability crisis is the lack of government effort to increase housing supply where it’s in demand.

[@Yal_Rathol]

@@Fractured_Unity the solution to that is to either increase supply, or simply encourage people to move to places with the supply already in place. you're thinking too narrowly.

[@jequirity1]

​@@Yal_Rathol Yes. Increase supply in the areas people want to move to, meaning... build more houses. Like they said earlier.

[@angryretailbanker5103]

I've always said this about gentrification, so it's good to hear it from Vaush. I recognize that people getting priced out of their communities is bad, of course, but "preserving the character of a community" is bad when the community is a poverty-stricken shithole with nothing but graffiti, abandoned buildings, and stabbings.

[@ghostchiryou]

Plus the character of a community is always changing. Before a place was majority Hispanic it was probably majority Italian, and before that majority Irish, and before that majority Anglo-American. There will always be change. It’s just bad that poor people get priced out, not that a different demographic of people moves in.

[@CaH6633]

In New York there's this general attitude that if you weren't born here and you live pretty much anywhere other than Manhattan you're gentrifying it and you should leave. Like that's the average person's "solution" to gentrification here. People can't afford Manhattan anymore and they're not gonna go back to whatever town in Ohio they came from that has no job opportunities besides the local walmart.

[@cogsworther1639]

It's fun to meme about gentrification happening from Starbucks and Whole Foods drawing in hipsters, but, at the end of the day, them's just memes Truly, gentrification has far more to do with poor zoning laws and an increased centralization of wealth and property resulting in rising costs of living

[@tylerhackner9731]

Always ready for a Vaush hot take

[@tylermitchell7679]

As a 25 year old white guy buying my first home in a cool hispanic neighborhood that is being somewhat gentrified ( chic stores, funky restaurants and coffee/brewery places opening up), it is my only option. I could continue to rent an apartment, or I could afford to move into an up-and-coming area and finally own my own place.

[@stephenscala3114]

What makes it a “cool Hispanic neighborhood’?? Just curious. The things you described (breweries, cafes, weird shops) are kind of the hallmarks of any hipstertown, USA. Do you mean historically mostly Hispanic people lived there at one point??

[@zachperkins688]

Thank you! I literally hate how the same people that complain about a lack of investment in impoverished neighborhoods are the same who will cry about "gentrification" the second it starts to get invested in.

[@honeyblue2902]

They complain because they know the goal isn't to invest in the neighborhood for the people who currently live there. It's to invest in the area and develop it until they get priced out because there's some value to the area.

[@SimoneThomas-p6p]

empower yourself beyond a victim mentality, establish a strong credit history, consider obtaining a loan, and invest in a home for yourself. @@honeyblue2902

[@deadcaliph6414]

People who move in to lower income neighborhoods should be encouraged to buy/invest in local shops and restaurants. The 'adult cereal cafes' that doesn't even serve bourbon in their menu should take into account the price range and value of the residents that have lived there for generations.

[@brutuslugo3969]

The places pre gentrification aren’t neighborhoods rich with local business and mom and pop shops

[@honeyblue2902]

​@@brutuslugo3969 If they can't even afford basic shops how are they going to afford when their own rents start skyrocketing? Also, many places do have local businesses that they are fine with, but the ppl coming in, aren't.

[@graysonllewellyn8734]

Rent control. Mixed zoning. Break the stranglehold cars have on our culture. We are all too separated from one another anymore to actually fight for our individual rights. My rent went up 40% in one year from one lease to the next and so I tried getting around about it. I tried talking to my neighbors in our apartment complex. No one wanted anything to do with stepping up and saying no. No one wanted to even negotiate with the corporate office that took over our once privately owned little neighborhood. When I asked the office why we were getting hit with this honestly exorbitant hike, they simply told me "well everyone else is, why shouldn't we?" When I asked what we'd be getting in return, they said "nothing." When I asked what bills they'd be taking on as our landlords, they laughed. One person has no bargaining power. No one person can fight a corporation's greed. So... yeah honestly. Hard agree. Rock. Molotov. Guillotine.

[@PalnPWN]

“How to enforce that?” “Rock”

[@FluxNomad678]

I have wondered if something like Gentrification is largely part of California's housing problem and even homelessness. Does a lot of wealth coming in sharply distort the local property values? Also, add in the speculators and house flippers? I know it's not that simple with other issues like drugs or people with mental illness being neglected as well.

[@melorsomething1006]

I live in a duplex, one out of the handful of slightly denser housing in my relatively rich cali neighborhood. We are definitely not wealthy, but living in such a wealthy area does benefit us in terms of nearby businesses and social connections. Unfortunately though, there are very few multi-family houses, and we are exclusively located on the end of the street, where there is a LOT of loud traffic lmao.

[@seankaiser2505]

1:31 this is otherwise known as the lead paint caucus, the idea that any improvement in the living conditions of an area is off limits because it will cause gentrification and therefore poor people having nice things is actually bad

[@Silversumire]

But it's not poor people having nice things if they are renters and therefore priced out of the area.

[@seankaiser2505]

@@Silversumire that’s what vaush was talking about. You can improve the conditions of poor, largely renting neighborhood by strengthening renter protections like rent increase limits, provision of legal council for renters, etc.

[@honeyblue2902]

​@@seankaiser2505 You can do those things, sure, but historically we have not.

[@homunculusgrey2921]

I live in Redding California, in SHASTA COUNTY, you know, THAT California county that the rest of the country is laughing at over dominion voting machines. They're currently gentrifying the downtown area and seeing what it's doing to the homeless population in this town kinda breaks my heart.

[@purplepotatoes9255]

As a minority living in a community being gentrified rapidly (Walkers Point Milwaukee), I agree with vaush. I'm a light skinned latino though, so I'm the least minority "minority" to ever minority lmao

[@Alaskan-Armadillo]

I am also a light skinned latin but to be honest I still think we have it bad where people see us and tokenize or fetishize us.

[@n.m6015]

Latinos and Hispanics with more “indigenous features” like darker skin and eyes tend to be treated differently since there is a more noticeable racial difference. I would know because people always STARE at me when I walk around town or when I jog. I find this odd because I don’t believe I’m THAT attractive. I’m also very reserved and dress plainly/modestly. It could be because I’m a woman with a ridiculously defined derrière, but I think race def plays a role since I live in a predominantly white area.

[@danielguerrero8582]

I'm a light skinned Latino and I still feel like there's a slight hesitance in how others define me. Especially other Latinos. It's a tiered system. Gringos give me the benefit of the doubt but still put me in a box. Either way I have it easy.

[@lolplzde5037]

most latinos are literally white what are you talking about

[@gustavchambert7072]

"you should never accuse a person of gentrifying" Unless that person is a landlord renovicting his low-income tennants. But still, I agree with the overall point. Gentrification is a systemic issue, and it is ludicrous to accuse individual residents of contributing to it, because they to not have agency on the systemic level, only the individual one. That's not the case with landlords, CEOs and so on. The more capital the person controls, the more systematic agency they have. A small, one building landlord may not have much systemic agency compared to a CEO of a major real estate company, but they do still have some. To be clear, I'm not saying that individual landlords and CEOs can change the system by themselves, only that they do have at least a limited degree to which they can act within the system.

[@cedc4825]

Mid take. The issue with Gentrification is that in most cases it requires the displacement of poor residents to work properly. The issues that caused the '"ghetto" to exist in the first place aren't solved just moved to another location. The wealthy residents that move in aren't "improving" anything they're just migrating to the area with the newest stuff.

[@andythedestro12]

Baby brain response who didn't watch the video past the title.

[@cedc4825]

@@andythedestro12 lol nah I watched the entire thing. He basically said gentrification is ok because the people moving in have money and vaugely suggested “fighting against” unfair zoning laws like he was coming up with a profound new idea while completely ignoring the real issue people have with gentrification is the fact that it perpetuates poverty and homelessness under the illusion of progress lol I wouldn’t expect an Infant brain such as yourself to comprehend all that

[@dimtool]

Exactly. And most of the time, poor residents either move to the boonies or become homeless..

[@cedc4825]

@@nebula_rasa most people moving into gentrified areas are not just people scraping by. I live in DC, one of the most gentrified areas in the country. There’s a new high rise popping up every month with units going for a minimum of $600k. Most people just getting by are just moving from “ghetto” area to another. They usually don’t have the money for a luxury condo. You don’t have to be a billionaire to price poor people out of their homes. Real estate developers raise the prices because they know there are people who are willing to pay those prices to live downtown next to a brand new Whole Foods. Who cares what happens to those who were there before. They certainly don’t

[@kaydenl6836]

@@cedc4825 and so you’d rather MORE of the country remain shitty?

[@Nomad-qm3zf]

If people have a dead end job that doesn't give them raises and they have an apartment, they get rightfully concerned when rich people move in and suddenly their rent doubles. That's a direct correlation. It shouldn't be tied to race at all, but the worst thing that can happen for anyone with a working class job there to be some kind of tech boom in the area.

[@unfortunatelythis4183]

It isn't. He needed to ignore that to artificially uphold a western chauvinist viewpoint.

[@Nomad-qm3zf]

@@caseydakus7492 Property owners are slimy and generally harass the living shit out of any rent controlled apartments they have until they have to leave. There were some examples of this in NYC where they purposefully did "maintenance" constantly and drove them crazy. Landlords want nothing more than to replace the poors with their wealthier betters.

[@MrShitthead]

@@caseydakus7492 This. The answer is capping rent increases to a common sense and minimum amount each year. There are parts of the country that kinda do this now, like Cali that recently passed a cap of 5% of inflation per year. So it encourages long term tenancy, which is a major win, versus parts of the country where a landlord can increase your rent by 500% the moment your contract is up.

[@plum0uttatime56]

Surprisingly, MoonGirl and Devil Dinosaur got this one right. Marcy and Marty Muzzler weren’t just moving in; they were property developers hell bent on forcing people out of their homes and jobs. They could hurt the Lower East side in ways that regular people just moving cannot. I’ll admit that the process of gentrification can’t ordinarily be pinned down to one or two people, but super villains defy the conventions of what is considered ‘ordinary.’ Also, the villain needs to be a force exacerbating an existing societal ill, so that the superhero has someone to punch in the face 🙂

[@IceFireTerry]

such a good show

[@Paul.......]

"How do you enforce that?" Vaush: "Rock."

[@emporioalnino4670]

Mfs be like "this apartment block is causing gentrification" my brother in christ this used to be a parking lot, without housing supply rents rise

[@JohnQ5]

I appreciate Vaush's suggested enforcement mechanism.

[@michaelcollins4534]

We should start doing that to landlords right now actually

[@xpirate16]

Chatter said: LOOK AT THIS GRAAAAPH!

[@giannis_m]

Rock is always the solution, I concur

[@pi172]

Just do it like Vienna. The city owns 220,000 flats, another 200,000 are owned by nonprofit cooperatives who get additional funding by the city. Keeping a mix of people with different incomes everywhere is an explicit goal. If you have low or middle class income you can live in one of these city-owned or -sponsored flats. And they keep building new quarters.

[@danielcrafter9349]

Austria - Vienna in particular - does something similar and it's ana amazing idea Homelessness is practically non-existent and it helps keep the economy stable

[@pi172]

@@danielcrafter9349 I live in an expensive college city in gemany and I lived for some years in a flat owned by the city. It was great. Cheap and very central and a lot of people living there who wouldnt have been able to afford a place that central. All the flats were so incredibly well maintained, if you had a problem, they would fix it quickly without problems. sadly we only have this here on a much smaller scale than in Vienna, but it shows how well it works.

[@SimoneThomas-p6p]

The problem is wealthy Americans don't want to live next to a bunch of poor government housing folks and that's okay. It's a free country, people can live where they want.

[@RayeGunn]

Correct, the problem isn't bringing in new people, it's policies that displace old residents. I literally live in pretty much the ideal solution he lays out here. I live in a mobile home park that has been here for many, many years, it's probably upscale compared to the mental image may be popping into your mind, but still, it's not a wealthy neighbourhood, and there are many people here who have been here for decades. But it is, or was anyway, fairly isolated. It's perched atop a hill, and stuff like shopping or restaurants was a fairly long walk, like a half hour, which includes a huge flight of stairs up/down the hill. Or you could take a bus (which does come right to the park, to be fair, it's the turnaround spot at the end of a line) or you know, drive, though many here do not own cars, for financial reasons, and there was only one road in and out of here, which is a windy thing going down a hill in poor repair until recently. So, to the south, they are putting fairly upscale in apartments, as well as shopping, so far the Farmers Market (with extensive food court) and a coffee shop is open so we finally have food shopping and dining in walking distance, and more shopping will be opening shortly there. And to the west, literally across the street from me, more apartments and some single family homes (tho small ones) , with some small shops, are just being started, there will also be a plaza with a fountain that will become an ice rink in the winter, and another park with a pond and walking paths plus playground stuff. Did we get kicked out? no, they are just building big fences, which is fine, will keep the noise down. But we get tot take advantage of all the shopping, parks, we will now have 3 entrances in and out with better roads (so far 2, the new one going past the farmers market opened a few months ago. which meant that they were finally able to close down the original road for an extensive overhaul, without trapping people, so the original road is now in much better condition), and the bus route will get extended to cover the entirety of the neighbourhood, (currently covers about half) so it can stop in front of the new apartments to the west, and the city bike path system is going to link up here. It's a win for everyone. They are implementing the idea of walkable neighbourhoods with the new developments, which compliments the mobile home park well. The only sad part is we lose the empty plot of land to the west which was kinda untouched prairie where deer, coyotes, and even moose would come, which is a bit sad.

[@hobog]

Urban improvement can be done with less wealth disparity, with socialist policy and city-wide mixed-use zoning and ban on exclusively-sfh zoning

[@TheKitsuneCavalier]

This makes me think of the documentary "Automat." Apparently, automats were the opposite of gentrified.

[@dakunssd]

Gentrification is not neighbourhood improvement. A neighbourhood is not improved by developers plonking down cheaply built but expensively sold condo buildings, most of the units of which get bought up by investment funds as part of a long-term portfolio, while corporate landlords next door kick out legacy tenants to "luxury renovate" their existing units. Nothing got improved there aside from profit margins.

[@malum9478]

this right here

[@dogearflopper7011]

Vaush's zoning law reform arc

[@nicholasavicolli8944]

Yeah NJ actually has similar laws for developments to what Vaush is talking about. New developments over certain sizes have to have space reserved for low income housing and smaller zoning. Of course there are enough loopholes that rich developments get around that anyway (especially at the shore towns), but generally it means most of our towns actually have apartments and low income areas interspersed throughout without having specifically poor areas.

[@IsaRican810]

I live in north jersey and all I’m seeing is hundreds of new luxury apartments being developed where the studio apartment is 2K a month. Maybe I’m missing something or these are all just examples of the loopholes you’re talking about. All of these apartment complexes are being built in towns with direct train lines to NYC as well so there’s that.

[@hustle_simmons]

Still isn't enough though. Look at Hoboken and Jersey City. Those places are ridiculous in their cost of living now.

[@littlemoth4956]

1:37 I mean, not wrong, he's exactly describing me, but I think the point he's missing isn't about whether or not we're "preserving" the ghetto. I don't think anybody cares about that. The problem is the fact that people who think it's "cool" to live in the big city are directly displacing people who live there out of necessity. It's not malicious, but the level of ignorance and lack of consideration is so baffling that you can't help but get angry.

[@brutuslugo3969]

What do you do about people who think it’s cool to live in the big city . Assuming that they’re even moving here cause of that and not things like idk job opportunities?

[@comandantegorrion7271]

People have thought that it’s “cool to live in the big city“ for, quite literally, as long as cities have been around, and the only exceptions to that, at least in the west, is when the black death was going around and the 50s to 70s or 80s. The whole point of a city is that it’s a center of culture and commerce, and is therefore a good place to live. When people stop thinking that it is “cool“ to live in cities, those cities stop existing.

[@sportsentertained]

​@@brutuslugo3969 I'm sure there's a significant number of people who move to the big city for lifestyle reasons, which could fall under "thinking it's cool". I agree though that job opportunities and also education are the main reasons people move to big cities.

[@brutuslugo3969]

@@sportsentertained Yea i see no solution short of banning people from moving into the city

[@emilchan5379]

I am pretty sure people are moving to the cities mainly for job or education opportunities, not because it is "cool".

[@Tialait]

The oddest argument I have experienced was from someone who owned property, not rented. The house had been in their family for generations, and the area was gentrified. They were up in arms that the taxes on the property were going to leave them homeless. This was odd to me, if you own the property free and clear of debt, and the area has gone up in value substantially....why do you insist on living there? You could do various things, you could rent it out and become landlord, you could sell the property and purchase a different one. The property tax going up is due to the value of the property going up. People who are renting have far more sympathy from me then the property owners complaining. (And yes, in this case I am arguing 'just leave' you are a damn land owner...)

[@unfortunatelythis4183]

Because it's a downgrade. A home lived in that long will not sell for enough to get a similar, newer home somewhere else. It doesn't matter that the prices rose. Would you choose to lose two acres of land to live shoulder-to-shoulder with shrieking neighbors somewhere else? Or get something similar and go BACK INTO DEBT?!

[@Tialait]

They can't afford the tax is normally why they feel forced out. This means their property value is massively inflated. The idea they can't buy a house in a neighborhood that resembles what their neighborhood was like before the inflating of their property value beggers belief. The idea someone can have a massive asset and only downgrade is nonsense.

[@unfortunatelythis4183]

@@Tialait Yeah. Property value didn't change their personal revenue, they might end up "not rich enough" to live in their house after decades paying off their loans. You don't believe it, but I live it so I don't have a choice. Our last appraisal was $56,000. There are shit-box ass houses in the nearby town going for $70,000+. This is a two-story brick house. This system sucks.

[@Silversumire]

"Why do you insist on living in the neighborhood your family has lived in for generations?" Of course they should sell the house. That would be the economically smart move. But people like to live in neighborhoods for a reason, like it is where their community and family is. Maybe close to work. It sucks to have to leave your home.

[@Tialait]

@@Silversumire Should we just make it so if you inherit a house you arn't taxed? Seems pretty idiotic to me. They forced out due to the neighborhood having raising value. Their house is now worth a fortune. We tax that. I personally think we UNDER tax property not over tax it.

[@cookies23z]

OHHHHH there is a term for that apartment "style" went to a friend I got to meet irl after knowing online for years and was confused we didnt enter the front of the building to go up, instead down the side of the building and into a tiny hallway near some elevators, didnt think much of it again until now

[@boxslave]

I do have to wonder how much where Vaush lives effects his views on this. I've been to seattle about every 5 years for 20 years and I live in New York. Right now I never seen anything as crazy as the price increases there (though i will admit I haven't been to San Fran). For what its worth I live in rust belt NY where its sorta red state New York.

[@wplants9793]

Seattle is insane. It’s like a little San Francisco when It comes to housing prices. I live in Portland, which is bad but not as bad as Seattle. we have My husband and I and her two kids living in a one bedroom house that’s basically a dump and we could sell it today and for 550K. My husband and I‘s first house was in northern Minnesota, three bedroom, two car garage we bought it for 96K. Granted today it would sell for about 200 K.

[@Silversumire]

I've read that he actually lives in Tacoma, like an hour outside seattle. I don't know if that's true but I doubt he lives in Seattle proper. He's also not from Seattle so I don't think he really genuinely grasps it.

[@harvesterofeyes8813]

That's why I live in the same type of area of New York. Housing is still overpriced but at least it's affordable.

[@LiterallyChad]

I've been saying this for years, gentrification is a problem with the decisions made by LANDLORDS not renters and to fix it you create rent caps so everyone have a fair shot at renting an apartment or store front. Shaming a renter for being charged too much money by a someone who will do everything they can to make the most possible money from their property is to put it lightly, silly.

[@jamesrussell5196]

This guy got mad at me and told me I’m gentrifying Portland like bro I build cabinets I’m not a real estate developer

[@javaPhysician]

The Atlanta suburbs have been getting gentrified heavily due to an influx of luxury apartments to entice out of state transplants. I just want to have affordable housing AND blue voters dammit!

[@thecatinthefedora1201]

4:41 I recognize that "graph", it was in a whatifalthist video lmao

[@garthyvarsik]

Didn’t Vaush take on the exact ‘RACISM’ chart once like, a year or two ago?

[@6MillionPesoMan]

Would love a link to that vid if they did happen.

[@emporioalnino4670]

He did I remember it vaguely. I think it's on one of the fan channels, could be thermia or coconutisland. The chart is really stupid but it is true that some people (mainly idiots on twitter) think moving somewhere = gentrification.

[@kertchu]

Was it in a video responding to whatifalthist?

[@rohiogerv22]

I'd like to see it that landlords are bound to common-sense grandfathering agreements. If someone is continuing a lease, their rent can fluctuate with general COG inflation, but not with neighborhood property values, and if the landlord dehomes a paying tenant by any means, such as planning to demolish an existing building or change its structure such that an apartment no longer exists, then they should be responsible for housing that tenant in comparable housing at a comparable price. Leaving the business altogether, permanently, should be the only way out of that responsibility, and becoming a landlord again after causing the dehoming of paying tenants should be grounds for fraud investigation. Because even in poor neighborhoods, homeowners can benefit from rising property values. It's renters who are the most hurt and pushed out by gentrification.

[@tiamatspawn4597]

“You’re preserving this ? “ exactly dude. Makes no sense .

[@CharlesRexBeedy]

I posed this question to some of my friends and unironically, the hyper-individualist takes I heard seemed the most appropriate. "If you aren't paying my mortgage or lease , shut the F up." And unless you have the capital to build a house on rural property, you aren't moving out to a house out in the country either anytime soon. ALL housing right now is getting more expensive. Middle or working class white folk are priced out of the suburbs too. And people live where there is opportunity for jobs, which tends to be the cities. And if you qualify for a fixed mortgage, renting would be absolutely stupid, especially right now as prices continue to rise. So basically, because of how the system is setup, working class white folks are essentially forced to buy those homes in lower income areas.

[@djixi98]

"how do you enforce that? Rock." ~Cain probably

[@kennethmcgowan333]

Rock is my favorite form of enforcement mechanism

[@coloncostco5937]

Shameless handles gentrification so well

[@cropcircle5693]

I always tell people in Echo Park that I agree, we should help return the neighborhood to the people who built it and made it great. The Dutch will be thrilled.

[@aileenonvenus]

remembering how property developers are buying area in la villita in chicago to add retail space “for the residents”- you will take the flea market where old mexican catholic grandmas get their grandkids frilly church clothes from my cold dead hands

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

JUST BUILD MORE HOUSING!

[@gabriellegoodwin4422]

A little while ago I visited The Gaines Micro town in Waco TX. It’s basically a bunch of a little shops, and a recycled church in the center of Waco made to look like a town. It had some utterly rancid cultish vibes and was very overpriced, but the town around Waco was not doing good and this place was. There was a lot of run down homes and closed or empty businesses. That big complex of white hippie culture could bring hundreds of jobs and a buttload of tax dollars to reinvest in the city. There’s a bunch of newer restaurants and bars that are popping up nearby as well. This is objectively good for Waco, even if it makes us uncomfy.

[@Jack-fw4mw]

Gentrification (as a problem) only happens if the area was artificially cheap (eg suburban flight in the 50s-70s), or if housing is artificially restricted, meaning people with money are moving into areas faster than would happen "naturally". It is a city - it is allowed to change. You are a NIMBY (or worse) if you try to stop a city from changing.

[@Silversumire]

I mostly agree but not about "neighborhood improvement. Calling these neighborhoods "the ghetto" is pretty racist and also shows how much you've never lived in one of these neighborhoods. I grew up in the central district in seattle, and NO it wasn't by any means "the ghetto" unless you just mean that black people lived there. The part that would have been worth preserving was the friendly culture, block parties every summer, all of the small black owned busniesses and also an affordable place to live in a centrally located neighborhood. I don't think the "neighborhood improvement" was helpful to a lot of my old neighbors, because they DIDN'T OWN PROPERTY. So they just left. And for everyone who did own property, yes this was economically beneficial for sure but it just meant they would sell their house to developers and move outside the city probably or further south. And sure yes more dense housing has been built in it's place but its all LUXURY TOWNHOUSES. So what I take issue with is not the arrival of more dense housing but the fact that it isn't even housing that would be afforable for the people who need to be housed. Like, what's really happening is a shitty punk house that 8 people lived in is being replaced by 4 townhouses occupied by single tech employee transplants. So that's not beneficial economically or culturally to long time central district residents. Changing zoning laws is not helpful if it doesn't come with more robust afforable housing stipulations, which my city has really failed to meaningfully do....Yes we have "low income" apartments that are fucking studios for 1300 a month. The reason that's low income is because they're luxury apartments that would normally be 1500. Come up to seattle and visit the Central Ditrict or Beacon Hill, and you can see what I'm actually talking about. These neighborhoods were never the ghetto, just places where black, latino and asian residents lived.

[@alexthefae]

Property developers and renters cause the negatives of gentrification. Rent control should be nationwide and socialized housing should be 50% of new housing

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

i think you mean 100%

[@Jerzibredon]

It’s possible to fight for policy and not directly contribute to something bad at the same time.

[@Caribbeanaemond]

I'd like to start off this comment by apologizing if it sounds a weird-ass I am using text-to-speech to type it out. I live in Puerto Rico and there is currently a gentrification crisis going on. And I have to agree with you. The overall issue isnt some people moving to Puerto Rico, the overall issue it's people moving here and thinking they can own the land that somebody else has already been in. And I assume the same applies tocities in the United States. I don't have a problem with people moving here. I have a problem with people coming here and thinking that can take away land. I have a problem with people moving somewhere and thinking they can suddenly own that place when other people have already lived in it

[@Caribbeanaemond]

And yes when I mean gentrification I am talking about Americans moving to Puerto Rico to gentrify Puerto Rico. I'm not talkin about other Puerto Ricans moving to other places in the island. What I'm talking about is American Tourist coming and taking Puerto Rican land and building on top of it I said the people who already live there don't matter

[@harvesterofeyes8813]

​@@Caribbeanaemond Unfortunately the same thing is happening in Hawaii.

[@Caribbeanaemond]

@harvesterofeyes8813 has been happening for decades. Just because people ignored it doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Both of our islands have been used and abused and your histories don't teach anything about it. Which is why so many progressive thinking people in the USA are so horribly wrong in their takes about Hawaii and Puerto Rico. No one knows the true horrors the islanders have suffered under USA imperialism because the USA has purposely kept both out histories quiet.

[@HierophanticRose]

Mixed use, mixed income

[@bensweeney5878]

but then you have austins case which rhe policies and the wealthy people moving there actively pushing out the residents and businesses there without any sort of protection against it, which just adds to more culture shock and people of all walks of life that arent rich techies getting pushed out of their own city

[@shubashuba9209]

Isn't gentrification always a good thing at a macroscopic level? You buy up all the old buildings in a neighborhood and replace them with new and better ones. Rich people come and buy up all the new homes, but they also sell their old homes to the next group of people down the economic ladder. This is like when hermit crabs form a line to swap shells. The biggest hermit crab leaves his old shell and moves into the big new shell, the 2nd biggest moves into the 1st's old shell, the 3rd biggest moves into the 2nd's old shell, and so on. At the end of the day, everybody in the chain gets to swap out their old shell for a bigger shell and it is a net gain for everyone, even the smallest crab. Now replace the shells with homes and the crabs with people. To stop gentrification would mean that you stop this chain of people across the economic spectrum from moving into progressively better and better housing.

[@treeztop]

And completely displace the resistance. Guys were losing the plot here 😂

[@communist_kirby]

the only reason gentrification is a problem is that housing is not a right. I think we should disallow anyone from making money on housing investments. you buy a house, cool, you only are able to sell it for the price you bought it plus any money you put into it (must prove this with receipts if you want the value increased). you should never be able to make money from the value of the land going up because the area is getting safer or more appealing to live in.

[@Nick-hi9gx]

Gentrification is good. However, it SHOULD be done more slowly, gentrifying a neighborhood or area of a city over 10-15 years, through a more normalized process of simple movement of homeowners. The problems come from economic hotspots, in the eyes of investors, that throw millions, billions sometimes, into an area hoping to make massive returns. When middle-class folks move into working-class areas and gentrify more...organically, it tends to work out well for most people. When Whole Foods and Starbucks, a million little storefronts owned by landlords for yoga studios and vegan restaurants and wellness stores all come in within 5 years, it fucks shit up terribly. Gentrification can absolutely be blamed on individuals, for like single neighborhood or an old town center or something, when that individual is a multi-millionaire or billionaire owning a bunch of the businesses, or land. But a person owning a house, maybe even a house and a small business? Yeah, they aren't doing the NEGATIVE gentrifying. Also, almost never talked about is REgentrification. This is happening more and more; a place that was gentrified already in the 60's, 90's, and again recently. Like much of Denver. The problems from gentrification just snowball and compound when it is done every 30-50 years. Friend of mine used to live town homes that replaced older homes, a wave of gentrification that happened in suburbs in the late 60's and 70's. By the time my friend lived there, early 2000's, they were the worst area of my side of my city. A big shopping center was put in near them in the 60's, which by our time was like the cheap grocery, half-occupied and with a totally fucked up parking lot. Which is now in the process of being completely replaced, all of the buildings have been torn down, and the town homes just sold to a property investor last year.

[@mikeinbmore]

What I didn't hear you mention was the displacement that inevitably occurs. THAT'S one of the main issues that make gentrification unwelcome. And FYI, your desk chair is nasty... ijs

[@indonesiansasquatch4926]

I disagree with a lot of your opinions in other videos BUT HOLY SHIT THIS IS BASED.

[@saintsfearful]

Takes like this remind me that Vaush has never been poor, so he can’t wrap his head around how when individuals buy into gentrified neighborhoods they’re not all just displaced middle class families with no other options. Many of them form NIMBY community groups to eliminate (or prevent new) low income housing in order to get a larger return on their investment. Nobody is forcing them to do that. You obviously shouldn’t assume every individual person moving in to a gentrified neighborhood is like this, but pretending it’s 100% systemic is dishonest.

[@mlndz111]

You can't have an opinion on gentrification unless you're poor. By the same token you shouldn't have an opinion on why they are moving in unless you're rich.

[@ridhabenammar715]

it's 100% systemic because policy is the only viable way on a broader scale to protect the community in that neighborhood. I don't think shaming gentrifiers will have even a fraction of a percent of the effect a well written policy (no loopholes) can do.

[@saintsfearful]

@@mlndz111 nice strawman. I didn’t suggest anything remotely like that.

[@saintsfearful]

@@ridhabenammar715 saying the solution is 100% systemic doesn’t mean the problem it’s trying to solve is. The solution for systemic racism is 100% systemic, but does that mean there isn’t individual responsibility for racist behavior? Obviously not. This is a bad argument. I also never suggested shaming anyone, so another strawman.

[@happycamperds9917]

I mean nobody is "forcing" them to do it but capitalism is designed to encourage individual monetary gain. It is a systematic failure that this type of behavior is encouraged.

[@waltonsmith7210]

Its almost like capitalism just....sucks.

[@orangenostril]

Wait till the guy who made the flowchart learns about **context.** People get mad at me if I skip school, and people get mad at me if I go to school [with an AR15], literally impossible standards smh

[@jeflafortune1122]

This is the coldest take voosh. You´re loosing your edge

[@JebeckyGranjola]

It's not that complicated. When everyone in an area gets more wealth over time, it's good. When new people come and the relative wealth stays the same, it's neutral. When wealth comes in disproportionate to the mean, it's bad (for the less wealthy people there). When wealth leaves the area it's bad. When the wealth stays the same but the tax base shrinks, it's bad. Only the first thing increases the prosperity of the residents, the last three things decrease it.

[@firstwavenegativity6379]

"Gentrification" is a NIMBY talking point to stonewall the building of more housing

[@iduncan5424]

rock always wins

[@coricognitions]

That south park episode with the Whole Foods unironically had it right.

[@themattylee]

I guess I'm a gentrifier (an upper middle class white dude that bought a home in a poor neighborhood), but I'd say individuals do have some responsibilities. Be a part of the community, don't try to force it to change to fit your desires. Shop locally as much as possible so your dollars go to people who live and work in that community. A little basic respect and dignity goes a long way.

[@souper.scooter]

The best way to enforce policies is rock.

[@JTSuter]

Gentrification is objectively a good thing. It reduces crime, it actually increases diversity with residents from different ethnicities making more money, improves the local economy, and just makes the area better.

[@jurgengosch3915]

Yes, this is accurate.

[@theMosen]

In capitalism, "neighbourhood improvement" = forcing low income households to move away through raised rents and cost of living.

[@True_NOON]

Isnt this "we can get away with higher prices/ more esotheric products" shit of capitalism? Like accelerated because business are accountable not to people but to cash

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

Yeah, it’s only bad to bring money into poor neighborhoods because of landlords raising rent and forcing residents out

[@litkeys3497]

People move around. Landlords & policymakers gentrify

[@Potatotenkopf]

Will Vaush stream again? We may never know :(

[@WolfenX4]

No lie, i think you missed the point of why black folks dont like gentrification...

[@MonicaG_]

Latin people sure as fuck hate it

[@ThisGuyAd.]

Its a nuschool graph

[@boredstudent9468]

As non american, i dont get how gentrification is a race thing, isn't it a class thing ?

[@kingaj7966]

Its often conflated as a race thing because class and race are very intertwined in America. When people talk gentrification, they usually are talking about rich people (who, because of the current systems in place, are usually white) move into poorer neighborhoods (which are usually made up of black/hispanic folks for the same reason). Then what typically follows (because our housing policies suck) landlords, renters, etc will demolish the houses poorer residents were living in leaving them displaced and pushed out to make room for “gentrified” spaces. That’s the narrative. I’m not sure if we should be placing blame on individual people for gentrification, but i think the anger is just misplaced

[@Damesanglante]

Here it's white rich that do it to poor whites of the same ethnicity. It is simply because 'murica's new anti-white racist propaganda is spreading.

[@Xloverse]

In this case it's genuinely just "Americans like talking about race" the issue has little to do with race

[@StrawEgg]

Yep! Way too much focus on particular cultural issues and not enough on the broader economic ones, at least where housing is concerned.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

You can’t separate the two