Cringe Lib TikToker Attacks Hasan's Correct Homelessness Take

[@justadudewholikestotalk]

“Look at these ugly houses” ok? Homeless people probably won’t care if its ugly, they’re homeless

[@tjenadonn6158]

"BUT MUH PROPERTY VALUES!"

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

I spend very little time actually looking at my home. Most of the time I have line of sight to my house is i n one of 3 scenarios: 1. I'm inside the house, and cannot see the outside 2. I'm leaving my house, and am not paying much attention to the outside 3. I'm coming back to my house, and am not paying much attention to the outside

[@ni9274]

Yes, but parking 500 homeless people in a concrete tower will not end well

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

@@ni9274 Don't we already do this with Prisons?

[@tjenadonn6158]

@@ni9274 Once they're in the tower by definition they won't be homeless. Also, homeless people are just people without homes: they're not feral animals or Republicans. If you treat them like people instead of a nuisance or a pestilence they can and will get their feet back under them and become contributing members of society. My BIL is ex-homeless: after his parents kicked him to the curb at 16 when they couldn't beat the trans out of him he lived tough on the streets of Rochester and Philly for a few years, making what money he could working under the table as a drag king. Very long story short he's now got an Honorable Discharge from the US Army after several tours as an ordinance technician in Afghanistan, multiple advanced degrees, works in advanced climate modeling with NOAA, will be celebrating nine years of marital bliss with my sister this coming August, and with her he just welcomed my niece into the world this past March. Homeless people have potential and need support. If we could get our act together and start supporting them rather than trying to dispose of them our society would be in a much better place.

[@maximumvoid5326]

I don't get it, boujee new york rich kids will willingly put themselves in shoebox apartments but as soon as you mention housing the homeless, suddenly everyone needs a 6 bedroom McMansion.

[@t-qb1sq]

The only things needed in a home are a table, chair, door, torch, 60 tiles, and location away from evil biomes.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

It's a Reduction to Absurdity ("Reductio Ad Absurdum" or the Apagogical Argument). By exaggerating your opponent's argument to the point where it becomes wholly absurd, you shut down discussion about the original, more reasonable argument. It's a very common tactic that's been used by Conservatives for generations.

[@agencymenace1090]

​@@BlitzkriegOmega I'm convinced 90% of people who bring this fallacy up are just too autistic to understand sarcasm or hyperbole.

[@lako8368]

@@BlitzkriegOmega Hyperbole can be used to unjustifiably ridicule an argument, as you just said, or to highlight (via an absurd illustration) the inherent flaw in a specific argument. Not everything is a fallacy, it depends on the context and purpose. It is also unnecessary to say "it's a common tactic used by conservatives", there's no need to antagonize anyone. Everyone, no matter where they are on the political spectrum, is susceptible of making the mistake of employing a logical fallacy; and they certainly do (like the guy in the TikTok who's being critized here, who is ironically using reductio ad absurdum himself).

[@whiteerdydude]

​@@BlitzkriegOmega ignore most of the otherguy except the point of its utilization. It is a very important tool when assessing logic by forcing the logic into its weakest environment. It can very well be used to actually disprove a claim by the claims inherent contradictions (should they exist). Its misuse becomes a logical fallacy

[@countdeku646]

Finally, an actual Lib of TikTok

[@danielmikula1375]

Neolibs of TikTok

[@kitt5736]

which is worse tho jk it’s a tie they both lose

[@IMatchoNation]

"Ehhhhh" "Stahp it Ron, STaAahP" "Ehhhh" "Ehhhh"

[@Mae_Dastardly]

@@IMatchoNation Uhhhh, wingardium leviosuuuuuuuuuh

[@milosniffer5293]

​@@danielmikula1375 ah yes neoliberals being against zoning reform and WEF conspiracies

[@connie419]

I was homeless for six months. I would take that housing and crickets any day rather than sleep on the sidewalk again.

[@mitrahispana4119]

😢 sorry you had to go through that

[@JayMaverick]

A tiny, but clean (if cheap) house + a daily supply of cricket-based food? That's considered luxury in many parts of the world.

[@agencymenace1090]

​@@JayMaverick quite fucking frankly, if I had minor control over flavor I could live happily there

[@andreabenton7798]

Oh hell nah, I really don’t know what I would do if I had to be homeless on the damn sidewalk. Me and my family were lucky to have gotten a extended stay room, A nearby aunt, My cousin, My dad who came in clutch, and some some programs my mom was working with. My oldest sister kept us all good. It was also hell on earth trying to find a job since it was my first. Definitely used to doing interviews now😂

[@noa9125]

❤️

[@eye-chan1711]

This guy really things being homeless is better than being in a really tiny apartment.

[@n0etic_f0x]

He is very much the kind of person who has never had a problem that could not be fixed by doing a pint of ice cream.

[@MrHodoAstartes]

Yeah. Like, even commie blocks were in their time adequate living spaces and for the most part upgrades over the lack of plumbing and electricity in Eastern Europe post-WW2. Any basic modern apartment building would be a massive improvement over a tent city at the overpass. Having an address by itself solves so many problems for the homeless. Running water, a bed, heating, light and a stove get rid of most health problems they face. Add an internet connection and you're golden. And it's not like you can't upgrade out of your block once you have a job that pays enough. Unlike the streets, you are not forced into a small apartment.

[@tc-tm1my]

vaush?

[@DawrinChawes]

@@MrHodoAstartes Commy blocks would still be a massive improvement in like half the world lol And lots of places here They just look ugly Just paint them like the Ukrainians

[@William-Morey-Baker]

literally detached from reality... shits wild. that guy should be put out on the street for a single fucking week and then we'll see how he feels

[@agentzapdos4960]

"Own nothing, live in the pod, eat the bugs" Dude they're homeless. They already own nothing, the pod would be an upgrade...

[@fluidthought42]

It's a very interesting reflection of the reactionary concerns over the idea of "the Great Reset". They equate neoliberal greenwashing and capitalistic propaganda with any progressive program, because people don't want to think about these kinds of things in any detail. Equating is easy and simple if you just ignore facts and reality, so they do.

[@theoriginalrandomman]

is he implying that construction of more low income housing means that we can't make other kinds of housing? Is he trying to suggest that if we build some additional low income housing units that everything else is going to get knocked down and everyone is going to be forced to live there???

[@agentzapdos4960]

​@@theoriginalrandomman It's like there's some invisible force, maybe an invisible hand, as it were, keeping housing supply limited so that the housing that does exist keeps increasing in value, thus making existing homeowners richer and richer.

[@Warsmith_The]

I can't take anyone who spouts 4chan catchphrases like that seriously. The moment I pick up on any of that, it's an instant tuning-out. I had to stop listening to the original video in question the moment he said "midwit".

[@mr.ashenfire2624]

Im just gonna say it; one day, maybe someday soon, we are going to incorporate bugs into our diets as a protein supplement. Not out of authoritarian decree, but just another thing that is on the shelves. And chefs arent just gonna throw up their hands and say NO MORE COOKING!! ONLY BUGS!! And then be served a bowl of wasps. Pizza Hut will not become Bug Hut. It'll just be yet another protein alternative on the store shelf. And who the fuck knows maybe itll be delicious.

[@kiv-1]

“Neoliberals arrive at the same economic solutions as conservatives but in a way where they feel smarter.” This is something I’ve been trying to put into words for a while. Literally the truest statement I’ve ever heard.

[@enginerdy]

It’s like feeling smart for saying you “believe in social Darwinism” instead of “I’m greedy but also racist”

[@matthewworthy4739]

Aren't neoliberals super anti-nimby and are extremely pro-changing zoning laws and building more housing? I am pretty sure the people on r/neoliberal would disagree vehemently with this guy.

[@Ellipsis115]

ty vowsh

[@Nuvizzle]

Leftists: It's bad for people to be homeless Libs: Source???

[@milosniffer5293]

Is this guy a liberal?

[@Remedy462]

I seem to go further and further left, but as far as I know I am a liberal, and still homelessness is a problem and can be fixed when the housing, jobs, rehabilitation, therapy, psychiatry, basically a giant support system that we all can provide but we are too selfish, lazy, greedy, and unempathetic to do anything yet. And yes, I am also apart of the problem because I don't do anything to solve it. It's a downer.

[@no_less03]

@@milosniffer5293 , you can tell he's either a liberal or a conservative. Regardless of how detrimental it is to live in an ugly ass building, it's still way better than freezing to death on the streets and not having a private place where you can take care of yourself: shower, shave, change your clothes, etc.

[@no_less03]

@@Remedy462 , you're not part of the problem for not doing anything to solve it. You're part of the problem for thinking you're not doing anything to solve it and being pessimistic for thinking people are too lazy. The bare minimum is to advocate for more affordable housing and guess what: you don't even have to move your fingers and move wood or any screw, you just need to raise your voice against those who speak like you or worse and vote for a change. Why? Because there's people who are doing the change, so you don't have to and guess what they are called: workers and volunteers. Instead of piting your own sorry ass, get your shit straight and at the very least, support those who are trying to improve society: workers. (sorry about swearing, btw. I have mental issues and I despise when I see people being pessimistic 'cause I'm pessimistic myself.)

[@milosniffer5293]

@@no_less03 He's obviously a conservative lol He references WEF conspiracies lol

[@mehdisilini7296]

"I don't want homeless people to live in those houses, because they are bad" what a saint

[@CamembertDave]

To me it came across as "I don't want homeless people to have homes, because then I'd have to live in a less pretty house." Fucking vile.

[@Syncopiia]

I visibly cringed at "not at all sweetie". Btw, Xanderhal covered this guy like two weeks ago in a video called 'The Most Insane TikTok Ever'. He advocates for a mandatory sex draft for women because he 'views incels as a national security threat'.

[@deathoftheendless]

My vagina cringed.

[@frost1183]

I went to a theme park recently.

[@manjackson2772]

​@@frost1183 No you didn't

[@Syncopiia]

@@frost1183 Lies.

[@prageruwu69]

ive never even heard of him and i still want to get a restraining order

[@noristay6023]

People just wildly attack hasan for no reason half the time.

[@reform-revolution]

there are a thousand reasons to give hasan crap and people choose the stupidest stuff

[@kobeischildren]

Not for no reason, just for dumb ass reasons

[@romanwashere2]

And for good reasons the other half of the time lol

[@frost1183]

Eh. He struggles to argue is points a lot of time. Many of his arguments are just him laughing and calling something stupid

[@MindForgedManacle]

@@frost1183 I kind of empathize with Hasan on that sometimes, lol.

[@MeehanSax]

Dude has no idea the mortal terror of not having a door to sleep behind at night, has anybody told him that people just walking by occasionally make the choice to assault or murder hobos?

[@forgenorman3025]

I was homeless for a while. I was in a tent with my ex at the time, it got fucked with on occasion but otherwise we were never assaulted thankfully. We knew an older couple on the streets that disappeared for about two months, and when they came back we found out that some people decided it would be a hoot to beat them half to death while they were sleeping and had both been in comas in the hospital. One of them is already in a wheelchair. People are fucking heartless and society doesn't help. We had hoped they'd moved on and maybe gotten off the streets...

[@macaron3141592653]

I love the "losing trees, yards, greenery" line. Two things, firstly you can add greenery to a well designed city. Trees, parks, reserves are all things you can find in the world's great cities. Secondly, one of the advantages of denser housing and urbanization is that because the city is physically smaller, you are physically closer to the edge of the city, thus are closer to actual nature and greenery. See any Dutch city. Less then ten miles from the city center, you can just drive out and hit rural area.

[@outlawruby]

Also the monoculture of suburban lawns are not very good for the environment since they destroy local ecosystems with invasive species that often require too many resources like water and fertilizer to keep alive. Mowing the lawn and landscaping also completely negates pretty much all the carbon captured by grass lawns.

[@CamembertDave]

Exactly! Converting those areas of low density housing half into apartments and half into parks would still provide more housing. And you can't actually use other people's gardens like you can public parks.

[@fluidthought42]

​@@outlawruby Also in cities like LA the prevalence of lawn culture is harmful to water management. LA may need trees, but dollars to donuts the trees that are designed to survive in LA aren't going to be the kind most folk want on their lawns.

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

This should be so obvious... Hate how so much is being done to make cities even worse for the environment when we have examples of less harmful practices ALREADY BEING UNDERTAKEN ELSEWHERE. Like, it's not even pipe dream fantasizing, just practical alternatives, and we can't even bend to that...

[@alicebrown6215]

Meanwhile, in America, where driving an hour in basically any direction fron a city center puts you in suburban sprawl hell

[@williambrandon434]

"Arriving at the same conclusion as conservatives, yet feeling smarter and more smug about it." This needs to be the official definition of neoliberalism and of the adult human female Destiny.

[@dynamicworlds1]

What we've forgotten it that neoliberalism IS conservatism. It's the ideology of Reagan and Thatcher. Or for those who want to stick just to KZbin videos, I point to Philosophy Tube's video on Neoliberalism and Innuendo Studios' video on The Origins of Conservatism and say they are talking about the exact same thing.

[@matthewworthy4739]

Neoliberals are anti-nimby, pro building more housing and pro changing zoning laws. Destiny, literally has joked repeatedly about NUKING THE SUBURBS cause he hates current zoning laws, in particular low-density single family zoning, so much. Pretty much everyone on r/neoliberal or r/destiny would disagree with this guy.

[@pogo8050]

You haven’t experienced depression until you’ve seen american cityplanning lmao

[@vxicepickxv]

I don't think my city has actual planners. I think they just expand wherever they think they can dig a retention pond, consequences be damned.

[@Eat_shit--die_mad]

America literally doesn't have city planners, Civic engineers do not exist it's literally whatever bulshit corporations managed to get away with with building and zoning laws

[@emporioalnino4670]

Speaking from personal experience the planners know this is bad, but the public and the politicians and the bureaucracy get in the way. Planners are pulling their hair out trying to fix this mess for decades but they can't

[@algorithm_acolyte]

Really dumb, I think most homeless people would rather have a bad apartment than a tent in the "cops get to kick homeless people" zone I genuinely thought he'd have something to say, like he'd still be wrong but at least i thought it would be a point to refute

[@DeathProductions200]

I'd take crappy tiny apartment over sleeping in my car. Having had both, as long as the apartment ain't filled with bedbugs and roaches it's ideal

[@fluidthought42]

The vast majority will definitely prefer that. Perhaps a minority of them will not or cannot tolerate the requirements for that kind of living, but it isn't enough to deny the rest an opportunity to have a roof and a room to themselves.

[@thecincinnatisaboteur7574]

@@DeathProductions200 as somebody living out of there car 100

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

Especially when it’s very cold outside

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

@@thecincinnatisaboteur7574 I'm sorry you're going through that and I genuinely hope it gets better. Good luck out there.

[@humanistangelino9681]

As someone who lived in LA for 20 years and moved to Philly 6 months ago, there is so much more high-density housing. It is insane how many people can fit into this place and it's incredibly walkable too.

[@connorpeppermint8635]

I love PA. I've only traveled to Pittsburgh but immediately noticed how easy it is to go places on foot. Philly is on the to do list in the future

[@QuickBulletin]

Philly got started at a time when the working class could not even afford to own a horse let alone a buggy. Most of LA's development happened after the car.

[@themightymcb7310]

Philly is super cool. Great food, very walkable, and surprisingly affordable. Live Nation is killing the music scene here though.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Philly old. Philly built before the car. Philly built like Europe cities. Philly good.

[@enginerdy]

NO ONE WALKS IN LA!!!

[@prageruwu69]

i didnt know just hearing someones voice could make me want to get a restraining order but here we are

[@Jonnywaffles64]

there is something so upsetting about it. just awful

[@NIHIL_EGO]

It's that pseudo-posh vibe.

[@Liberater4589]

He sounds like vaush making fun of arch’s voice

[@Incognit0.]

Probably because he’s faking the accent as well, you can here it start to slip when he says “piker tells you” and “here”. I’m English and I’ve never heard anyone sound like this naturally.

[@Alex-wi1mx]

​@@Incognit0. i mean Arch is faking it too

[@Incognit0.]

@@Alex-wi1mx I know he is

[@PinHeadSupliciumwtf]

Dunno but reminds me more of shoe's extard i mean armored conspiracy theorist.

[@cunning_linguist.]

​@@Alex-wi1mx "as well,..." Thanks for the input.

[@hanzolo7719]

The problem with building affordable housing is that nobody wants affordable housing in their neighborhood. There have been so many petitions in my neighborhood against building cheap apartments, and they have all been successful. Rich home owners don’t want it, and they always seem to get what they want. The states need to do a better job at regulating this shit so more affordable housing can be available.

[@vfanon]

Sorry babe, land is meant for speculation, not living in! 😊

[@vxicepickxv]

Every time I had a problem, I threw a molotov cocktail, then I had a new problem.

[@Fractured_Unity]

No municipality will enact policies against the wishes of their voters. That’s how government is supposed to work. To fix this issue requires higher levels of government to force municipalities to approve higher density housing they don’t want. That’s what is happening in California now, so hopefully in a couple decades the housing crisis won’t be so critical. To fix these large problems requires large political efforts, not local ones, even though it was local policies that created the problem.

[@psychicbyinternet]

I want it in my neighbourhood, but I'm working class and I rent haha

[@trianglemoebius]

@@vxicepickxv What the fork kind of solution is that?

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

"You want to provide the homeless with _modest_ accommodations? Ehermhrmhrmhrmhrm, my dear, sweet _lefty,_ I can _assure_ you the homeless would have far more dignity living out of a tent."

[@forgenorman3025]

I'd like to see him sleep in a tent on the sidewalk for a week with maybe $40 in cash for the entire week, see how he fares. And I'm being generous here! I could have said a month with nothing!

[@Racecarlock]

To add on to vaush's refutation of the "peace and quiet" argument, if you make a city more walkable, that means there will be less cars, which means there will be less noise anyways.

[@brutuslugo3969]

Nyc is extremely walkable . Yet it’s the noisiest place to live

[@MechanicWolf85]

Adam something did a video on noise pollution and city planning

[@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet]

​@@brutuslugo3969 you also need good public transit because occasionally you must go somewhere you can't reasonably walk too.

[@bartholen]

@@brutuslugo3969 That's because it's still full of cars. NYC is walkable by virtue of being extremely dense, not by being made to be walkable. Those are two different things.

[@brutuslugo3969]

@@bartholen no nyc is extremely walkable , there are even memes about New Yorkers when they’re out of state saying “let’s walk there” cause New Yorkers walk a lot. I’m not seeing how it’s not walkable

[@materialdialectics]

There sure is a lot to unpack when it comes to that guy's definition of 'quality'. Because it seems like he's talking more about aesthetic quality than something made to a structurally high standard that will last a long time. Because those examples he showed at the beginning when he was saying "no he doesn't mean build stuff like this...", those types of buildings are usually built like shit but they ARE made to appease middle class aesthetic sensibilities. That said I think the main point he's missing is I WOULD SURE RATHER LIVE IN A COMMIE BLOCK THAN BE HOMELESS. However I'd also rather live in a pre-fab concrete building instead of some paper thin flimsy wall shit that appeals to trivial upper middle class sensibilities.

[@ni9274]

The problem is that these"commie block" neighborhood will usually have a high concentration of poor people and be separated from the city center and middle class suburb. The lack of job opportunities will inevitably lead young people without work to start illegal business and transform the whole neighborhood into a crack spot. You can see exemple of that everywhere in Europe.

[@alicebrown6215]

"Is there anything more depressing than brutalist soviet bloc housing?" "Yes, homelessness"

[@sirnick12]

​@@alicebrown6215 american suburbs XDDD

[@materialdialectics]

@@alicebrown6215 Although I gotta be honest, I would jump at the chance to live in something like a Khrushchevka; granted I am also someone conscious of the fact they're constantly teetering on potential homelessness, but either irrespective of that. Those things may be aesthetically utilitarian to the extreme, but as far as every other consideration they were built way better than most modern housing of a similar density, even ones for the wealthier market. An apartment with concrete slab walls separating you from one's neighbors seems almost unheard of these days, and they had that standard. Also infinite potential for renovation to your heart's content. Here I go writing a big long comment again.

[@SpookyStag2015]

this guy's voice is making me reconsider voice work as a trans man. like damn if the cis guys cant even pull it off😭😭 lmao

[@prageruwu69]

the cis guys are beyond saving 😔

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

How does this guys fake accent have anything to do with that lmao Also... are you not taking HRT... Trans men don't tend to need "voice work". That's for trans women.

[@prageruwu69]

​@@OscarLangleySoryu ??? bro, not all trans guys are on t. we get voice training pre t to make our voices sound deeper. not everything trans-related is exclusive to trans women.

[@Nyanx4]

@@prageruwu69 I genuinely don't get people who just think that all trans resources and tools are exclusively for trans women. Meanwhile, my Larry the Cucumber-sounding ass is still in desperate need of sulfur hexafluoride lmao.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@prageruwu69 that was weirdly sassy but enjoy trying to have a fake deep voice and looking like a lady. You won't pass that way. Have fun.

[@cogsworther1639]

"Ew, we can't build small homes or apartment complexes! That's where the poors live!" At this point the cringe lib ain't even neoliberal, he just hates people.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Neoliberalism IS hating people.

[@Ehhhhhmm]

I'm firmly with Adam Something here. Do these Soviet Block style buildings look kinda ugly? Kinda? Maybe? When you just leave them grey and do nothing with them? Are they funktional and cheap to build? Yes! But i guess for "No we have Vaush at home" here that doesn't matter

[@ni9274]

They are not functionnal if you want to house homeless people, it would be an hell for social service and these building are the best place to start dealing drugs.

[@BrokenCurtain]

Adam Something, Not Just Bikes, City Beautiful and others.

[@doratheace]

In my town commie blocks still exist and one is named after a Yugoslavian celebrity, they're not that ugly and pensioners live there 90% of the time.

[@paulspringwood7190]

@@ni9274Nice turning the homeless into entrepreneurs by setting up places where they can engage in voluntary trade. Win win!!!!

[@markusa5293]

​@@ni9274 They are extremely functional. The USSR set up production lines for panel housing because of mass homelessness caused by WW2.

[@ZeAshTonz]

Remember guys, it’s not unusual for Vaush to do this. He’s defending the good ideas and Hasan occasionally produces them.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Occasionally. Sometimes. But we are happy when Hasan produces them

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@donovan4222 buddy. Hasan has had so many bad takes more leftist creators than just Vaush has criticised him Also considering I dont like Vaush the mere idea of you suggesting him being daddy to me makes me want to rip your skin off!

[@roodaley]

Science is gay

[@-Teca-]

Tell me another recent bad take Hasan has said besides the Ukrainian one

[@JaikoDiaz117]

The only difference between them is that Vaush can remain calm when confronted with UNREASONABLE, NOT LOGICAL, BACKWARDS criticism or opinions... Hasanabi yells at that. Also... Vaush debates and hasanabi doesn't. In the end they both advocate for the same things.

[@604ckur]

He talked to Daniil in the middle of it 😞😢

[@bigtree7071]

Those last seconds of hyper aggression is how he actually sounds normally.

[@NaimHrustanovic]

Yeah you could tell that was his natural voice

[@MrNeodylliphan]

This guy gives off Hermione Granger vibes. "Not levioSAAAA"

[@nickv1212]

To be fair, that's just how magic works. If you have an eyebrow raised while saying it, it won't work. If you accidentally kegel while saying it, it won't work. If you're a dumbass lib with shit takes while saying it, it won't work.

[@shinkiro403]

Well tbf, at least Hermione had a point (if you say "leviosà" instead of "leviòsa" it doesn't work), this guy says "don't build more houses because the ones we'd build won't alone make homeless people as happy as secure people", which is a new level of mindrot even not considering his smugness

[@molizer5373]

She had a point.This guy is just trying in everyway to protect his wife's boyfriend house from the evil communist plan of basic human decency.

[@maninalift]

Those houses aren't just "single family, low density", looking on street view at the area vaush was zooming in to, they are mostly single story and detached. It's crazy given the value of the land. There is a reason "town house" refers to a tall, narrow, terraced house.

[@brutuslugo3969]

It’s the solution to take these homes away from people and build on the land?

[@TheMageesa]

I remember walking through Watts, and it was detached single family. It's not like it's only in NIMBY bougie neighborhoods... though I imagine they wouldn't want a big tower next door blocking out the sun, either.

[@sycration]

​@@brutuslugo3969no, the solution is to allow those who own the land to build larger buildings for more people on the land. It's what vaush said, it's not even radical. If anything, it's in the favor of the free market.

[@brutuslugo3969]

@@sycration wasn’t vaush talking about the suburbs ? And that they should have bigger buildings?

[@sycration]

@@brutuslugo3969 yes hes basically arguing to abolish government mandated suburbs

[@kahner93]

This clip is almost a month old because Vaush is still mourning Daniil 😢

[@connorpeppermint8635]

When did daniil die?

[@molizer5373]

​@@connorpeppermint8635a week ago

[@trashrabbit69]

Another thing about zoning and housing scarcity is that because of how little land is actually zoned out for large dense developments you often have the same issue as the low density housing but in reverse. Developers will be spending millions upon millions on dense high-rises and they almost exclusively will be "luxury" abodes that completely price out anyone making below 80-100k a year _individually._ This has been happening in my city of Madison for years now. You want a 2 bed 2 bath apartment or townhome in someplace like Williamson or Doty Street? You're gonna have to shell out 2,500 a month. Minimum.

[@Praecosmile]

It's so bad in Tampa, dude.

[@TheMageesa]

All the new 'progressives' favor development over rent regulations, or restricting AirBnB these days. Probably because their parents own rental properties (or they do)

[@WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot_YT]

Tik tok dude has a punchable voice

[@aleef133]

Im from Singapore where pretty much all of our housing are high density apartments (governement built) and learning about this was pretty wild LOL

[@pogo8050]

American city planners were obviously demonic entities in human skinsuits

[@emporioalnino4670]

This is my favourite zoning analogy. Imagine a chrismas dinner with your family but instead of all the different foods being on the table, easily accessible to everyone nearby, the meat is in the kitchen, vegetables on the balcony, wine in the bathroom, salad in the bedroom, and dessert in the garden. It makes no sense and causes unnecessary traffic and wasted time. Mixed use zoning is better in every way.

[@CivilWarMan]

That TikToker talks like he lies awake at night cursing that he doesn't have the "superior breeding" of the Habsburgs.

[@ernestoacosta7918]

Or available maidens like the Habsburgs did

[@Youbetternowatchthis]

I remember the first time flying into LA. It truly never ends. Your whole landing approach over single family houses. I have never in my life seen anything like it. It is unreal.

[@DamienPalmer]

TBF it is easier to landing approach over single family houses than skyscrapers.

[@Youbetternowatchthis]

@@DamienPalmer true. Maybe they didn’t build the city for cars. They built it for low flying planes instead.

[@thetinfoilfreak]

Hey, a defense of hassan, how nice

[@EdgieAlias]

Yea it's almost like Vaush has said numerous times that petty drama shouldn't affect meaningful advocacy.

[@ApexGale]

Just because two people don't share the same take on a political topic verbatim does not mean they are opponents Hasan's bad Ukraine take doesn't make him a bad person or wrong about everything else

[@Olivetree80]

Vaush defends him more often than not ya know

[@ambatuBUHSURK]

vaush is probably the only lib adjacent streamer that is mostly pro hasan

[@moehasan7534]

Unfortunately it seems hasans chat has a negative reaction at mentions of vaush, idk whats wrong with them

[@manjackson2772]

He sounds like Vaush doing an Arch impression

[@livelongandtroll9108]

This video proves that nobody in Vaush's audience played Simcity/Cities Skylines. Dude had to explain zoning 3 times.

[@invisi-bullexploration2374]

There are some people who are punchable but this dude is 'run up and smack with cast iron skillet-able'. Also, the dude just dropped a /pol/ meme in his take. I think mmmmaybe this guy might be not be a leftist but a right wing troll who's doing a 'this is what the left sounds like' bit. HEHE FUNEH OWNING LIBS.

[@menschgebliebenergossenpar9213]

These people are creepy cowardly pests. Theyd start shet in RL until you slap em and then they throw themselves on the ground to fake an injury, just so the cops are eyeing you first.

[@mightywurm]

people are saying this guy is an engagement farm

[@mightywurm]

@@bryan0x05 no the guy with the stupid voice is engagement farming and doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying but i didn’t fact-check that at all

[@btarczy5067]

He very much gives off that appearance. I am now also saying that he is an engagement farm(er) so now people are saying it for sure.

[@bryan0x05]

@@mightywurm I can potentially see that, but at the same time a lot of people have bad takes like this.

[@masterplusmargarita]

It's possible, but Poe's Law is in effect so hard in US politics that I feel like I have to assume genuine until proven false. I swear we're at a point where if The Onion wasn't an old institution it'd be impossible to tell they weren't for real.

[@SpiderMan-wi9rc]

I definitely agree. “Bye sister was 9/11 but for women” like… what?

[@unfollowtheinstructions6360]

Vaush losing it at the end was really satisfying considering the batshittery spouted in that article

[@pStabs]

Mixed use Development is what we have happening in my area of Toronto Canada. Big condo towers go up with stores in the base, the movie theatre is also used as a classroom for one of the universities, etc. Most things are available rather easily if you don't shop at the big box stores.

[@tc-tm1my]

mixed use is rare for varying income though

[@TheMageesa]

And I'm sure with all that construction, rents are plummeting, rght?

[@pStabs]

@@TheMageesa Hell no! Rents never come down LOL

[@rileywolfe1384]

The thing he keeps doing getting close to the mic gives off the same uncomfortable vibe as getting cat called

[@JaredJonesAZ]

Classic case of perfect is the enemy of good. If we keep waiting around for ideal solutions to problems that we can make headway on right now, they're never going to be done. Also he has what I call fake empathy. Performative empathy by social coersion, but truly unable to engage in empathy on a personal level. He is showing cowardice, ignorance, and superficiality.

[@Jack-fw4mw]

On this map, red doesn't even mean tall building. It just means multi family where you can also do commercial. LA is fuckkkkked. 16:55 it was done before cars. When NYC was much younger, they looked at the island of manhattan and thought "Yep, people will live on this entire thing one day", and planned out the streets and blocks without walking the land. The easiest thing to do is to draw blocks, and then sell those blocks to speculators. It was a huge success. Other cities saw this, and decided to copy NYC. People were trying to copy that success so that their ownership of a small part of the city would make them rich.

[@b3lka_]

And grids are infinitely more walkable than suburban type roads (so the reasoning for them can't really be "because cars")

[@genghisdingus]

this issue seems similar to people crowding around the luggage claim at the airport. If everyone simply stood back like 5 feet then everyone could see the entire luggage claim. But instead everyone crowds around it making everyone only see a tiny section of the luggage claim.

[@kap1618]

I've come to the conclusion that Tiktok is the platform for the most insufferable people who don't exist offline because they know they would have gotten punched in the face years ago for their attitudes.

[@voiskumbeaver3285]

I think hes trying to sound like Sebastian Gorka so he'll get served at the pub without having to stand on his mate's shoulders in a big coat.

[@E.Mulchi]

Honestly these types of blocks (hosues) look awful from the outside but are usually pretty nice from the inside if they are kept in good condition.

[@-Teca-]

I love how people are saying Hasan has rare good takes when the only faulty take ive ever seen from him recently is his opinion on Ukraine

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

He took a fat L on Ukraine, & sometimes black issues, but we'd be lying to ourselves if we said Vaush doesn't also do the same thing. Hasan is generally correct or has a good take on something 80%+ of the time, I'd I give Vaush like the same amount, or around 85% with a margin of error of +/-5%

[@MrSam2497]

Then you don't see much or clearly

[@MrSam2497]

@@-Teca- oh buddy, someone here sure is coping and it's not me

[@Juhz0r]

Yeah, Hasan is alright.

[@-Teca-]

@@MrSam2497 thanks for answering my question👍, you sure proved me wrong with the non existent bad Hasan take u told me!

[@JackDespero]

You do not need to build more houses. Just by seizing those hoarded by bank and people buying the fourth house to rent it on Airbnb you can already house a lot of people.

[@brutuslugo3969]

Dumb take

[@jackpaul3315]

Just a reminder there is no nobility in giving away someone elses stuff 😊

[@dynamicworlds1]

​@@jackpaul3315Robin Hood is seen as a heroic figure for a reason, so yes there is.

[@Speederzzz]

That man seemed genuinely mentally disturbed, like he sees 'ugly' buildings and tells people that if you support building housing for the homeless is being a slave to capitalists... what?

[@dynamicworlds1]

Fascist brainrot.

[@teslacuil1437]

if they want "Peace and Quiet" getting a bunch of cars off the road would help a bunch too, by expanding public transit + more walkable areas

[@brutuslugo3969]

They want peace and quiet in their life time . People don’t want to wait for a complete infrastructure overhaul

[@davitdavid7165]

As someone who moved from a post soviet capital to amercia to study, i will say soviet urban planning is better anyway.

[@milkbuns2543]

He’s faking his accent lol. Fairly certain he’s northern British, you can tell by the way he pronounces some words, like “you’re” He’s trying to sound southern, to make himself sound more “intelligent”. It’s kinda classist really, to imply that northerners don’t sound intelligent

[@CampingforCool41]

He doesn’t sound British at all, he sound like an American trying to put on a weird smart sounding accent.

[@washingmachine009]

he is definitely american. and very gay

[@milkbuns2543]

@@CampingforCool41 I’m english, he defintly sounds like a northerner trying to deepen his voice and sound southern. Northern accents pronounce words closer to americans so when youre putting it on it can sound a bit mixed

[@MindForgedManacle]

He really does sound more like Archwarhammer 🤣

[@prageruwu69]

lib archwarhammer

[@arskakarva7474]

@@prageruwu69 Nah almost guaranteed to be fash just like Arch. That bit with the WEF and crickets is a standard fash talking point.

[@manjackson2772]

​@@prageruwu69 arch warprofiteer

[@prageruwu69]

​@@arskakarva7474 idk he just seems like a dumb neolib

[@kayakat1869]

Mixed zoning slaps! I love being able to walk to where I need to go.

[@bignovakane4108]

Sorry Sweetie, gotta let the poor die. We gotta have examples, Slugger. Giving them homes will make places look ugly and I won't have a pretty spot to eat my guac n toast, Sugar. 😊

[@Kiss_My_Aspergers]

I've never really been able to understand why someone would need a "Guest House" when they have *_A GIANT FREAKING MANSION_*

[@Westlander857]

Public housing has to be properly maintained and services need to be provided to those who live there. It’s not as simple as shoving a bunch of people into a tower. That said, as long as those needs are met, more public housing would be a great thing, and this dudes take is way off.

[@Apollo-iq1vx]

Yeah, I guarantee you the neoliberal dude in the video wouldn't support public housing with on-site case management and supportive community services.

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

@@donovan4222 you could even dedicate some units to public housing within a “normal” apartment building. Lots of buildings around me have some income restricted units

[@tmgn7588]

Yes, I do want the homeless to live in low quality homes. After noone is homeless, we can think about upping quality.

[@Sombriage]

Housing should never have been allowed to be a market to be used and abused by those who constantly try to jack up prices and push the boundaries of what is acceptable at any given time.

[@Montesama314]

Tiktok guy makes me think "artificially down-pitched voice"

[@sothisisbasicallyhow4696]

We don’t even necessarily need to build more houses. There are 140 million of them in the fucking country. We have enough houses to house everyone as long as everyone has at least one or two roommates.

[@Noschool100]

The distribution of the house is what matters Though. A house in the middle of nowhere idaho doesn't help a person who has a job in san fran

[@sothisisbasicallyhow4696]

@@Noschool100 that’s also true

[@Sneaker3719]

Even if I agreed with the Tiktoker I don't know how anyone can get past how obnoxious his affect and presentation style are.

[@thatswhaturmomsaid3062]

I just finished 1/3 AP exams; Vaush frustratingly trying to explain zoning to chat is exactly what I needed

[@ReneSalasDesign]

Architect here. Everyone should look at the book "the sustainable city is possible" for an economic breakdown of just how much more affordable and enduring social housing was when built in 1930s socialist Italy. Such public housing has lasted decades with minimal maintenance. Such is the power of traditional building techniques.

[@ni9274]

I'm sorry but the commie block that were build all over Europe after WW2 ended up very badly, most of them became ghetto.

[@thereisnospace]

"eeww affordable housing....." -any neolib

[@Palemagpie]

No way that's his real voice.

[@ernestoacosta7918]

His real voice was probably closer to what he sounded towards the end of the TikTok

[@sandpiperr]

I don't think this guy is a lib. Between mentioning pulling back environmental regulations and mentioning eating bugs...he seems like a Jordan Peterson conservative IDW type.

[@bwahhhgrl]

he also brought out a /pol/ meme

[@spiderdoctor2269]

"In order for homeless people not to make Hasan sad" Literally mocking the concept of having empathy for those less fortunate than oneself. Beyond parody.

[@psychicbyinternet]

>Be homeless >Finally there is affordable housing >The housing is small and bad >Guess I have to stay homeless because it's not a good quality house. My cardboard box is better? I guess so, according to Walmart Vaush.

[@redneckcommie]

who is saying this? are they in the room with us now?

[@buttholesurfer3213]

The second you hear “sweetie” come out of someone’s mouth, immediately disregard everything else they say.

[@NoMoreUsernamesSucks]

Have a look at the NYCHA’s projects of the late 1930’s to see a good example. The NYCHA set up a robust and aggressive public housing program which, to this day, puts New York lightyears ahead of every other state for providing housing to extremely low income families. (Source: USHUD)

[@kpstl26]

Yea the "projects" in NYC and Chicago were very, very nice when they were built and actually weren't even small. There were everything from 1-5 bedroom apts in the same complex/building. The problems they had was that they did not maintain the infrastructure and consistently reinvest into the buildings, and that (Chicago at least) mainly built them in extremely poor areas that were walled off by highways, so people had no access to decent jobs, schools, or even grocery stores to be able to better themselves and their situation.

[@brutuslugo3969]

The people that live in the projects made the projects into shit . source : I work for nycha

[@NoMoreUsernamesSucks]

@@brutuslugo3969 I mean this completely without the intention to argue or shame you: Can you elaborate?

[@brutuslugo3969]

@@NoMoreUsernamesSucks low income housing attracts people with low income (as it should) people with low income have high rates of people that generally do not take care of the place they live ( shitting in staircase, scratching interiors of elevators , graffiti etc) for socio economic reasons obviously. This results in a level of building maintenance that cannot be sustained for long , leading the buildings to be generally shit

[@arnoio8355]

He puts way too much stank on the t in those "ity"s

[@TheWrldIsSquare]

This guy doesn't sound anything like Vaush, but I do find it kinda interesting that white guys are finally experiencing that whole "I just noticed someone that looks/sounds EXACTLY like you" when someone sees another person that shares a couple superficial features. Really let's me know that we're making real strides towards true equality for minorities.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

When people start doing this across racial lines, we'll know we're in a better place as a society

[@johnnyray9107]

He acts like everyone would either be forced or would simply be willing to live in small apartments. No, people with money will simply not have to move in if they can afford not to.

[@zPencilPirate]

What a braindead take. One of my favorite ever apartments was tiny and shit but it was cozy and suited my needs at the time. Not sad to be in a better place now but I liked that I had it.

[@alexeyklepikov2770]

I lived in a commie block and it was ok still much better than being homeless

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

I left LA to go to the Irvine Tustin Santa Ana Costa Mesa area, lived in all three of them, and then I moved out to Riverside so I can actually purchase a house. I got myself 1.4 acres that I can have a farm. That however was back in 2013 and there is no way I would be able to do that again now

[@user-wo5fm5ke5v]

I live around LA and I can confirm that the size of the plots for single family houses in Beverly Hills, Beverlywood, Cheviot Hills, Hancock Park... Is absolutely insane.

[@cantthinkofaname4133]

He sound like vaush if he was being played by someone in an epic rap battle of history that weird inflection and forced voice

[@E.Mulchi]

He sounds like a mix of Arch and Milo lol

[@Cr0de5_]

The 3 biggest issues with housing that I can think of is that 1) we have so many vacant houses in America but we don't repurpose them for lower income/homeless housing, 2) We allow people to buy multiple houses (i.e. landlords) who then turn around and hike up rent in order to gain value on something that is already accruing value which means people renting are paying money to pay off some other dudes investment which sets them back and doesn't help them generate wealth and 3) The government treats homeownership as an investment and as such makes decisions that keep house prices up so people who own the house(s) don't lose their money which causes people new to the market to not be able to afford the crazy high prices that the government has basically set for those properties

[@ASolidSnack]

Reading ridiculous nimby editorials is one of my favorite ways to make myself angry

[@cenburry2811]

This guy isnt british hes almost certainly a kiwi or australian and putting on soem flat tone. Its so foul.

[@frost1183]

No did you not watch the video? He didn’t have an Australian or kiwi accent he had an American accent with that weird twinge

[@cenburry2811]

@@frost1183 he might of been European as well I couldn't quite tell. But he's certainly not British. No one in Britain speaks like this.

[@ruaridevlin4438]

@@cenburry2811 bro this guy could 100% be british, hes clearly exaggerating or faking an accent but its probably likely that he's from britain.

[@cenburry2811]

@@ruaridevlin4438 it's put on to an extreme degree but yh it's not impossible he cud be British. This is an online highly autistic voice.

[@shadowwarrier4416]

8:32 well now I am sad

[@fluffyfishcool226]

As a Houstonian, the zoning is on another level of bad. Everything is far away or separated by highways there are few cluster areas of good zoning

[@StefanBacon]

"Euclidean" is the problem style of zoning, where zones are mutually exclusive of all other uses. In a normal country, every zoning type is somewhat mixed use, so you can sell sausages on your porch.

[@avocadocrumch]

bababooey

[@karmaticdeer3727]

Omg I was hoping you'd cover this guy he's so fucking funny with how insane he is

[@obiesenpai3869]

I don't even know where he got the "you can only have two out of the three" argument from, or why it even matters. Like first of all, when you are homeless you ain't gonna give a shit about quality in the first place, you are going to be happy having a roof over your head, access to warm and private showers, and a comfortable bed. And second of all, the apartments made from housing first initiatives actually don't look too bad. They look pretty decent. Sure they aren't the $4k/month luxury apartments, but they certainly don't look like shoddy apartments you see in dangerous neighborhoods.

[@txikitofandango]

I can't believe this guy actually talks like this. He is not velvet, he is the soft, mushy part of the onion when it's gone bad

[@zinnmarx]

this guy sounds like Vaush.

[@greendayblinkfan182]

OMG It's actually Libtrd Vaush. I have no idea what this guy does but he has a career on youtube streaming if he wants it hahaha.

[@jeremygregorio7472]

Adam Something has shown multiple times you can have all three. The only reason the Soviets had a problem is they were in a huge hurry following world War because they had millions and millions unhoused.

[@shannonolivas9524]

"you're going to live in housing like this and you're going to like it" vs "you're going to live on THE STREET and you're going to like it"