My girlfriend watches The Matrix: Resurrections for the FIRST time

[@natannery5206]

"That's very, like, meta" is actually all I have to say about this movie.

[@Bubba_1776]

Just because it’s meta. Doesn’t mean it’s good

[@natannery5206]

@@Bubba_1776 Agreed. That's why I didn't like this movie, it relies so much in acknowledging that it knows it is a movie, that they forgot to deliver the movie itself. Make sense?

[@user-ly2ll5od1r]

@@natannery5206 I don't know... when the movie itself verbally keeps reminding the audience that they are watching another dumb reboot of a popular franchise forced to be made by a corporate studio, yet the audience gets angry that they just watched another dumb reboot of a popular franchise that was forced to be made by a megacorp studio is just weird to me. Considering that ghostbusters afterlife was exactly that minus all the meta references or any sense of self-awarness and it ended up being praised by audiences.

[@natannery5206]

@@user-ly2ll5od1r I haven't seen Afrerlife, but I get your point. Was it really necessary to make a 2h20+ plus movie to say just that, though? I was onboard halfway through, but then I realized they had nothing more to say. I felt like they didn't go far enough and were doing exactly what they were critising, you know?

[@chanceneck8072]

So what, are Neo and Trinity like a dyad of the Force now? Lol, what is happening in this movie????

[@Cinemabu11]

The reason that Neo is not as powerful is because of his....resurrection. Along with the fact that his code was "damaged" (since he died), when the Analyst (Neil Patrick Harris' character) found the bodies of Neo and Trinity and rebuilt them, the process suppressed some of his powers, until they were "reawakened" so to speak. His resurrection is also why Smith returned as well. In order to defeat Smith in Revolutions, Smith's code had to be injected into Neo. So when Neo was resurrected, so was his code, as well as a small piece of Smith's code.

[@classicghostrider2715]

For me Lawrence and Hugo were THE standouts of the Matrix trilogy, so to not have them anymore and have them be replaced by less interesting versions of themselves just did not work for me at all. I did however really like Bugs, I saw a lot of stuff when the film came out about how she was typical SJW character, but I didn’t get that vibe at all. I didn’t feel she was forced or shoehorned in and she was pretty fun. In all honesty I think every new character was probably really well done because they weren’t trying to change an old character, so they didn’t have to deal with fallout. They were allowed to succeed or fail on their own. I’m not a huge Matrix fan so maybe I’m in the perfect space to talk about what I do and don’t like without feeling super strongly one way or the other, like I usually do with like comic book titles where I’m already super invested regardless of the new project.

[@littleredruri]

I don't really know how to feel about this movie sometimes either. On the one hand, I really enjoyed it, the story and visuals were great and the philosophical and social commentary were on point as per usual... but you're right Holden. It doesn't feel right. There's something off about it, like its lost that special, unique feel of the original trilogy. So some days I'll praise it for being daring and original, other days I'll say it's the new TFA.

[@undeny]

its not good, we just missed keanu and wanted more matrix

[@Bubba_1776]

The story was good? What version did you watch.

[@emosam07]

The story was garbage there were some cool elements like how they're still alive n stuff and the cgi robot visuals were super but the bullet speed was choppy and fucked and the action was so boring

[@jonfox4022]

Out of the original trilogy the second and third didn't have much unique about them, they were just more of the first which was ground breaking at the time.

[@littleredruri]

@@undeny I literally got into the Matrix like a month or two before this movie came out. With fresh eyes, basically no expectations and no nostalgia, I really liked it a lot.

[@rendevera3134]

This movie wasn't able to evoke much emotion from me. But I appreciated Jessica Henwick's performance.

[@GenerationWest]

I saw this last week, just ahead of this so I can have some context... And... It was something... Will there be more of this? After the mixed reviews and lackluster box office... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh Trinity's husband, Chad, is played by Chad Stahleski, Keanu Reeves's Matrix stunt double, a prolific 2nd unit director and... The director of the John Wick franchise lol

[@dylanbrooker9705]

I know things get voted on Patreon but I’d love to see jen’s reaction to the old fantastic 4 films, hearing her say it would be classic of her to like movies that were mainly disliked just reminded me of those films because I actually really liked them and still do. Not like Spider-Man or endgame today but for it’s time they were gems

[@TroyBoyleAtheistAdvocate]

I second this, but they should START with the Roger Corman FF movie. :)

[@chanceneck8072]

I mean, you can always SUGGEST stuff in the comments. I keep recommending films like Predestination or The Fountain to A LOT of channels. Films that usually NO ONE reacts to. And after a few years, actually one channel did a reaction to The Fountain. Probably not just because of me, but I still count that as a success......

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@chanceneck8072 The "I see this as a big win" meme fits you

[@Frantzypantz]

I think the action was the biggest letdown for me. We were expecting some fantastic slo-mo reminiscent of bullet time, but it all ended up being pretty iffy and forgettable.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

Talk about the most generic and lackluster action. We must’ve gotten the wrong wachowski sibling to return

[@emptyxsuit]

Yeah, most of the best fights were just retreads of fight scenes from the trilogy. It was weird to see the same dude who plays John Wick, fight so rigidly and still somehow be a match for everyone else he fought against

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@emptyxsuit the OG trilogy had yuen woo ping choreographing the fights. And chad stahelski(the director of the john wick trilogy) directing the action. And boy were they missed in this movie.

[@inorka907]

@Frantzypantz @Jeffrey Cunningham @Morribb Tyler Lehrer Then you all clearly miss the whole point of the movie.

[@jeffcunningham0389]

@@inorka907 dont try to defend a crap movie. Believe me i get IT. Still a bad movie with bad action

[@xandermerrick]

When Neo says.. "I still know Kung-Fu!" I was thinking.. it doesn't really look like it anymore man. Yuen Woo-Peng was definitely missed.

[@baeleth]

The original Morpheus died in the MMO game in an event that integrated his mind into The Matrix. This Morpheus has what's left of him in it. I think it's cool that the Wachowskis were involved with that game, said it was canon at the time, and have kept it canon. Also, I read somewhere that Hugo Weaving wanted to return, but he had conflicting work and couldn't fit it in.

[@ivansalguero3746]

But i feel that if they wanted or did follow the games story... they could've gone another route. Like have Morpheous son take his place as a guiding figure for neo or follow his dad's footsteps or actually use the games story and morph the two of them but actually explain it in the film. This morpheous felt like a joke and somewhat disrespectful to the original character.

[@StayFractalesque]

yeah right, hugo weaving and the rest of the missing cast would have jumped at the opportunity to be in a real matrix reboot .. what happened was they read the script and said, "eff this garbage" and dipped out.. i bet keanu and carrie were contractually obligated to make a fourth film, there's no other reason they would have done this.. sad, really, what a disappointment

[@stevehunnell3651]

@@StayFractalesque and you know this how?

[@DRHunterM17]

@@ivansalguero3746 I thought this exactly. He should've been morpheus and Niobi's son and it would've made more sense given how the 3rd movie ended with them hugging as the war ended and Jada Pinkett Smith being older in this one. Making him a reincarnated morpheus cheapens the character for me and makes me not care about him which sucks because I love the character morpheus. This movie was sadly, very disappointing and I'm saying this as a person who thinks the original trilogy is one of, if not my favorite movie franchise.

[@Fury647]

Wauw i didn't know that. Cool, thanks for the info man. Then it makes alot of sence why they did some of what they did. But still have mixed feelings about the movie because of mostly the action.

[@tituschhangte1217]

I miss the dark sci fi tone the original one had. This one feels like cotton candy when the original felt like spicy ramen.

[@ronin7997]

Probably one of the best comparisons I've heard for these movies.

[@Norrin277]

Yeah. I think that has something to do with the fact that Lawrence Laurence Fishburne didn’t reprise his role as Morpheus, cause it’s like you said, the original was dark, this one is kinda like cotton candy in comparison to spicy ramen, and the same goes for Morpheus. In the original he was serious, calm and stoic, but also caring, and he truly believed in “the prophecy” and that Neo was the one to fulfill it. On the flip side, the guy playing Morpheus here is comedic, kinda funny, doesn’t really show that he actually gives a damn or believes in neo, and he looses his temper, doesn’t believe, and also, he ISNT PHYSICALLY ALIVE. He’s not the optimistic and wise, yet stoic and caring Morpheus we all know and love, and I think that is one of the main reasons why it didn’t work like they had hoped. Speaking of kinda comedic and light hearted though, both Neil Patric Harris and the guy playing agent smith weren’t really that…. Intimidating. Like, neil did a good job of playing a wolf in sheep’s clothing, but he wasn’t really that dark, and smith didn’t radiate the same hatred for Neo as Hugo Weaving’s interpretation of him. Looking at the absolute essay of a rant I’ve written I now realize that I’ve basically said exactly what you said in a sentence by replying with a whole god damn book, which I should probably start writing to satiate my apparent ability to involuntarily write one every time I see something that I’m passionate about 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tituschhangte1217]

@@Norrin277 wow! I love this analysis, so detailed 😂

[@Norrin277]

@@tituschhangte1217 thanks, I try my best 🤣🤣

[@marisco2969]

The machine civil war would have made a much better setting for a film.

[@anthos332]

Thank you

[@Its-Tonal-Whiplash]

I went in super hyped for this movie and was prepared to forgive some short comings. Half way into the movie I was considering walking out because I was not enjoying the experience at all, by the end of the movie I wish I had.

[@iamworthy1302]

That's why HBO max is clutch

[@Its-Tonal-Whiplash]

@@iamworthy1302 I'm in the UK so unfortunately that wasn't an option

[@jorga101]

Grab a VPN that changes ur location to USA u can access it thru that

[@chemquests]

I hear you but don’t understand it at all. It’s not the best movie ever but it was entertaining to me. The part I don’t get is feeling that strongly when it’s like meh.

[@Its-Tonal-Whiplash]

@@chemquests If you enjoyed it then good for you, I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise. I'm merely saying how I felt.

[@smitty16s]

This sequel reminds me of the Star Wars sequels. Nice to see the old characters, and some new graphics and stuff. But, ultimately, nothing changed from the previous ending. You’re just fighting the same bad guys after we thought it was over.

[@Evan-yi7in]

I though it was a great allegory for the lives we are leading. In 1999 people were breaking out of the matrix, and our culture still had many trappings of style and glamour. Now, 20+ years later, many people have decided to stay plugged in, simply from apathy and in giving up the fight. But that is an emotion shared by those plugged in and those who are "free" eg. Niobi.

[@smitty16s]

@@ryansmith-jr4gn you’re not wrong. Jurassic Park is my favorite movie. So I’m in the belief every Jurassic sequel has been bad.

[@omaewamoshindeiru616]

Only difference is the mfkers at Disney did Luke Skywalker real dirty... seeing him in mandalorian and book of boba fett made many fans including myself very happy yet sad because we all know what Luke will eventually change into

[@c-mac9902]

The force awakens bothered me so much. It was like 85% the same as A new hope. Just like scenes here.

[@Larso1310]

I really liked that the movie wasn't just a remake of the first movies but that it really felt like a 4th movie in the series. It continued where the 3rd movie ended, and now time has passed and Neo had to get rescued, and then they had to find a way to rescue Trinity. I didn't like this new morpheus at the start, but then I understood that it was a new character and not just a recast. It wasn't morpheus in the body or mind, but he had morpheus's role in this universe (finding Neo). It was only Neo and Trinity that was being kept alive by the machines so it makes sense that the original morpheus had died of old age and would not be in this movie. I think the movie made a lot of sense plot wise, some scenes and plots where maybe a bit weird, but still overall I think the movie is really well put together and highly underrated.

[@DwayneTheGeek]

When they had that meta conversation I feel like it was the director and the actors saying that this movie shouldn't have been done. They did it because WB wanted to create a cash grab. So they made a lackluster sequel for WB.

[@2GuysTalkingPodcastNetwork]

Jenn hits the piece on the (completely missing and blurry) complexity of what's going on. Imagine watching Inception and then NEVER having a lightbulb moment of what is actually going on. That's what I had several times during this where they are info-dumping but none of the info connects, and never generated a cogent LINE of story.

[@beowuff42]

Well, I really liked the movie. I thought it was a bit better than the third, but I also liked all of the other 3 as well. The "different people playing the same characters" fits because they are not the actual people, they are code written by Neo. They can't be carbon copies. Even Smith was coded by Neo for his games. I liked Trinity flying because as is said repeatedly in all the movies, anyone CAN be "The One". You just have to believe. As Neo said, Trinity always believed. I also really appreciated the metaness of the movie pointing out Warner Brothers push for more movies. Lots of new characters? Sure. But a full ship complement has many people. There just wasn't enough screen time to flesh everyone else. If they do make new movies, I'd be in for learning more about the new crew. I see a lot of potential there. Especially the humans and machines working together.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

In the beginning, guys, that actually WAS Trinity. She looks different because of how the Analyst made Neo's memories into a video game and altered the appearances of everyone involved.

[@oxhine]

Hey, Holden and Jen! Many of your misconceptions would be cleared up if you saw "THE ANIMATRIX". The most relevant stories in that anthology film are "The Second Renaissance", "The Kid" and "The Final Flight of the Osiris". Neo is revealed to not be The One. That role falls to The Kid introduced in "The Animatrix". It's a sobering revelation when the Architect reveals that the messianic figure is actually part of the program to cyclically cull and manage the human outliers. Rather than a messiah, he's a harbinger of doom who perpetuates the cycle by selecting two dozen survivors to restart Zion. Neo is the anomaly, a mutant x-factor and unforeseen variable. He evolves to manipulate code and interface psionically with the machinescape. Similarly, Smith also evolves into something he once detested: an organism. He experiences organic existence and then proliferates wildly just like a virus. The Architect is a relic of another era because he could not even fathom such a transference between man and machine; his world was binary and discrete. The Oracle saw value in human imagination and emotion. Yet, the Architect was right that the machines wouldn't break the truce. It was human zealotry and myopia that caused the destruction of Zion. We are told that Morpheus became ossified by dogma and wouldn't adapt to a state of co-existence between man and machine as Niobe did if for nothing else than practical considerations. He doomed Zion by segregating humanity from sympathetic synthients like Sati and digital Morpheus. He didn't prep for the fallout of the Resource War between The Architect and The Analyst. The Merovingian represents old code that lingers in computers despite generations of update overlays. He's like a tenacious cockroach who can't quite be expunged although he's been reduced from Eurotrash sybarite to babbling hobo as he continues to degrade. The Analyst not only found a powerful fuel source in Neo and Trinity's proximity which translated to emotional manipulation in the new Matrix but he also overwrote and confined Smith the Virus into the paradigm. Jonathon Groff, who played King George III in "Hamilton", was excellent aping Hugo Weaving and surprisingly allying with Neo temporarily to break free of the Analyst himself. There was also a ton of "Sens8" fan service since half the cast appeared aboard the Mnemosyne or in Io! Lol. It was a treat seeing them all again. Wachowski and the writers are already putting together a new animated anthology, "Animatrix 2.0", which will likely cover the 60-year gap and the consequences of reconstituted Trinity tapping into the Source, an ability once reserved for mutant Neo. The mutation has been replicated in their second iteration. Is it spreading to the population at large? This franchise is chock-full of ideas and demands thought of the viewer. The returns haven't diminished for me yet.

[@vishalvenkat6]

I can't believe how oblivious some people are to how self-aware this movie is. So many people expect cinematic universes and don't want a movie to just exist on it's own(i.e. what Holden and Jen wanted). The movie is not really trying to tell a continuation of the previous three films. I loved this movie because of that. The only way this movie fails is if you went in expecting the expansion of the Matrix Universe. If you went in expecting a Wachowski movie akin to the way the first Matrix broke down barriers of a sci-fi movie, this movie is amazing. It just goes to show how other cinematic universes have tainted the taste of audiences to expect the same thing again and again.

[@millicentbystander1689]

I'm struggling to see where this movie broke down barriers 🤨

[@tl8960]

they try to think they purposley make movie meta and think it innovative it just stupid instead.

[@chemquests]

The guy playing Smith (Jonathan Geoff) is famous for played King George in Hamilton (Miranda’s musical), & doing the voice of Kristoff in Frozen.

[@2GuysTalkingPodcastNetwork]

Something that got missed in the review: Neo is LITERALLY waving at things. The original fight scenes are CRISP, engaging. Neo is literally :Get Off My Lawn" waving at things in this one and it's just another repulsion to quality that should shroud everything the Matrix calls back to.

[@SirCalebEvans]

Yeah the action in this new one was really bad. Missing the spark of the originals

[@Zanroff]

He's getting too old... :(

[@SirCalebEvans]

@@Zanroff John Wick says otherwise. I think the stunt coordinator is different and uninspired, compared to the originals that had an old school kung-fu film influence. Resurrections felt generic. imho

[@jonfox4022]

The original fight scenes were stilted and stiff. They were so awkward. It was more like a bad dance than a fight. They had no flow.

[@TheSpartan227]

@@SirCalebEvans Yuen Woo-ping was the martial arts choreographer of the first trilogy, he definitely was the reason why the fight scenes were so good. He still does amazing work, just look at Ip Man 4 on YT.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Chad is played by JOHN WICK's director Chad Stahelski

[@Gavin_G01]

I believe he was also keanu’s stunt double in the original matrix trilogy.

[@carloseduardoaguilar5099]

You guys need to Peacemaker, the most popular show right now besides Euphoria! :D

[@ConnorEllisMusic]

The husband is Chad Stahelski, who directed the John Wick films and was Keanu's Stunt Double in the original films.

[@truthseeker5079]

The Matrix Resurrections is one of those movies people are going to look back on and go oh shit that movie was actually really good.

[@mmckn1885]

Not at all. I believe it to be trash and an embarrassment to the originals. It basically says FU to Neo, Neo fans and the original movies.

[@truthseeker5079]

@@mmckn1885 sure

[@dudeLaurence]

the "magic spark" you said was missing is the martial arts choreographer Yuen Woo Ping

[@chinruiz4113]

This movie is satirizing itself, especially the notion that this sequel was pushed mostly by studio execs against the Wachowskis

[@TheNickMars]

Thanks, finally someone who understood ... this film, Wachowski CLEARY said, was not supposed to be produced, the story was over with the trilogy and there was nothing more to write! about 20 years later, but evidently someone told him: either you do it or we do it without you (the sequels sell ...). With this film Wachowski makes it clear, in a satirical way, that this, and everything that comes after, will be "meaningless". moreover, every scene seen here is a bad copy of those in the trilogy,. However few people know that the "originals" are inspired by the myth of man and Plato's cave. they are still more profound and "mathematical" films than they seem

[@BigMikeDTW]

I’ve watched it 3 times and like it more with each repeat viewing because there are lots of little things I didn’t quite process the first time around, like the cat actually being named Deja Vu. It’s super meta. But you are right, it’s missing “something”… sort of like a lack of gravity or urgency about what’s happening. The stakes never felt super high and they never gave you a reason to care about anyone except maybe Neo and Trinity. It also didn’t break any new ground in terms of fights or gunplay.

[@vishalvenkat6]

I feel like that was the point though. You can literally map out how this movie literally does exactly what the sequel trilogy did with Star Wars.

[@AngeloTheTurd]

I tried to give this a chance at the beginning, but the more I think about it, I really hate this movie. It almost feels like Warner Bros told the Wachowski’s exactly what the movie said :“the studio is making a sequel with or without you.” In that retrospect, it feels like a middle finger to the studio, which isn’t surprising from Warner Bros considering all the stuff going down with Justice League. It was meta to a fault. Too many throwbacks that the movie had to rely on to keep me interested. It felt like the first half became a parody of the OG trilogy (literally making fun of it), then the second half became the thing the first half was parodying.

[@spidersj12]

If you think about the incident when Neo met the Architect, he said that there were 6 previous iterations of the matrix and Zion. In each previous iteration, it's highly unlikely given random mutations through time that each person in the matrix, their physical body's would be identical each time through. The probability is that each "savior" might not even have been Neo as we saw him in the first movie, nor any of the other characters we saw in all three previous movies. Yes you could argue that the machines could have cloned the people through time, but there's no discussion of that, other than in this movie that they rebuilt the corpses of Trinity and Neo. The fact that the different actors, and people in the matrix played the part of people we knew and were essential characters, is unsettling, goes without saying. I think everyone's expectations could never have been met by shooting another movie. Also when there's a couple decades between when a the last movie came out and the sequel and people expecting nothing to have changed, well that's just not the case. The actors themselves usually can never do the kinds of stunts or physicality that they used to do, and that their physical bodies and faces have aged, is likely unsettling to the audience, as they've frozen in time the way those characters looked. In the case of Keanu Reeves we've seen him in recent movies like the John Wick series, so we're kind of used to this new older actor, but Carrie-Anne Moss she's not had the limelight like Keanu has and most people in Hollywood are far less forgiving of women in movies and TV as they age, I'd say society is also less forgiving. People age, that's reality, I'm not saying that the poor reaction of this movie is because of the older actors playing their roles, or even the switched out actors, it could just be the convoluted plot, that perhaps was written the way it was because some of the key actors from the previous movies wouldn't sign onto the project?

[@StevenHouse1980]

Thay were both rebuilt in the Resurrection pods, but thanks to Sati's Farther, Trinity's pod remade her with some alterations based on Neo and not a standard human. I think that is how she is more powerful this time. Also Neo has been on a Blue Pill bender for a few years, it may take him a wile to get the biohacking code out of his system, so he can then be as powerful as he was. plus this is where both Neo and Trinity remember how to be badass's.

[@StayFractalesque]

why does it feel like making Trinity 'the one' is just pandering.. it's like, "hey, if we make Trin the biggest baddest brioche, we'll be immune from criticism around the rest of the garbage that surrounds her.."

[@TheShockwave1138]

Fun Fact: "Chad" is played by Chad Stahelski, who not only directs the John Wick series, but was a stunt coordinator on the original Matrix trilogy, AND was Keanu's stunt double for them as well. Particularly insulting to see your love interest in a relationship with the "fake" version of yourself!

[@Rackzzupj3._]

You guys should watch Superman and Lois also love the reaction’s

[@WileSire]

I'm like most others, 50/50 on the film. It wasn't what I was expecting, didn't exactly live up to the hype, but I still enjoyed it. I think it's one that the more time passes and the more watches, I'll probably appreciate it a little more.

[@thebadbandito]

I'll never watch that movie again. Don't even know if I'll make it through this video.

[@vulpii8135]

the guy that plays trinitys husband is chad stahalski, the director of john wick and old stunt double for keanu reeves in the matrix

[@DawnTreaderPlaysEDO]

There was a game called The Matrix Online. The story line that happened in that game is part of the history of this movie. The matrix was never shutdown it was rebooted. The version of the matrix after Neo won the peace was also rebooted and then this movie's history happened, the machines had a war and the humans and machines worked together. The biggest problem for this movie was the fact that WB was forcing the Wachowski's hand and would have made a movie without them. Lana caved and made it without Lilly. The smart crew from the first trilogy stayed very far away from this project. Some characters, like Morpheus had a story arc in the in between history that caused them to be changed. In the game The Matrix Online, Morpheus was trying to force the machines to give back Neo's body. He ended up being killed by one of the factions that had arose in the matrix in the game and that is why he is not Laurence Fishbourne in the movie. He was literally dead. They even said in the movie that "Morpheus" was a program made to be a combination of parts of Mr. Anderson's game. He wasn't the consciousness or anything from the original actual person Morpheus, it was all code made to resemble the personality of those 2 beings. The movie was a cash grab by the studio. A half hearted attempt at adding to the original series. A job for the actors. A bunch of "Iron Fist" level fight scenes. A hidden message to Warner Bros. And a complete waste of time.

[@chemquests]

The part where their faces were reflected in the tables my wife and I loved that part & spent quite bit of time with the movie paused discussing possible meanings.

[@Jtgagemac]

HEY! You mentioned my fusion comment!

[@bobmathis-friedman6742]

The Watchowskis didn't want to revisit it, but the Suits stated that they were doing with or without them, so Lana conceded, making her opinions on the idea quite clear in the film, itself.

[@PacificEgg]

My son has been watching a lot of Sesame Street, so every time I hear "time for the comment of the day", I year the puppets singing "it's the letter of the dayyy"

[@TheLinc78]

What I want now. Is a tv series or a series of films that focus on the Machine vs. Machine war and how the humans got Machine allies and how they built Io. THAT would be awesome.

[@hinney827]

4:50 Jen: "What was the point of that??" Yeah, that pretty much sums up the entire movie

[@luckystallone4194]

I liked the movie more after learning about Lana Wachowski's issues with making a forth movie. Felt like she added a lot of her reality into the writing of this movie.

[@thomasanderson2384]

Dude that's not how you do things If she didn't wanna make it Don't ruin it

[@lesliecruzado2793]

Jen, when Neo made a treaty for peace with the machines, the treaty was not about the machines not harvesting humans for energy. The treaty was about the machines not destroying Zion.

[@blacklash2258]

I watched this twice in theaters. I needed the 2nd viewing to wrap my head around what was really going on. I agree that the Meta of WB making a 4th Matrix was a bit much, but I took it as Wachowski telling the audience of what is really happening to the franchise. I also thought like you two when it came to scenes from past movies, but different in my 1st viewing. After the 2nd, I picked up that was the point of the new Architect. If Neo thinks he just created the 1st 3 movies as video games, any dreams or flashes of real memories seems fake or at least questionable to Neo. It also took my 2nd viewing to understand what had changed with the machines to break the treaty with the humans. The machines have a civil war over the treaty, and the side that didn't want to give up their human "batteries" won. So, machines/programs that were friendly to humans tried to seek refuge in Zion. But, the Real Morpheus didn't believe them. So, after he died Niobe started Ion WITH machines. This is getting long, so I'll leave it here. But, I encourage everyone to see this at least twice. I didn't pick up everything that was going on in the 1st Matrix movie on my 1st watch, either.

[@noahspadgenske9875]

This is one reaction where intercutting clips of other movies really works well. The King George clip was inspired!

[@StealthyPumpkin]

Funny story about this movie. I took my brother in law to see it in theaters for his birthday. When we arrived the theater was empty so it looked like I had rented out the showing. I felt about the same way about the movie, but he liked it. So I call that a win.

[@juicyfruit4494]

I Remember all the characters in the first movie I can’t remember a single one of his crew from this there’s so not memorable. And nobody dies it’s kind of weird to have a movie and it’s supposed to be emotional and not a single person gets hurt or dies.

[@Voidcolded]

😂 me checking after his" looks so clean now" of the opening, I'm watching in 2160p

[@LeonardoG1981]

The value of this movie (as did the previous ones) relays on the observations about today's society and human psychology and behaviorism rather than only their entertainment value. For instance, the rant of the Merovingian is a criticism of todays society, as if we were all living in the matrix; he said: "We had grace. We had style. We had conversation. Not this...[mimics text message sound] Art, films, books were all better. Originality mattered! You gave us Face-Zucker-suck and Cock-me-climatey-Wiki-piss-and-shit!" (Criticizing Facebook and Zuckerberg, Wikipedia and the culture of text messaging and virtue signaling) Other parts of the movie are a criticism about the way in which Hollywood approach the making of sequels as cash grabs rather than bet to original ideas. Specially the scene where they are given the scrip for the matrix 4 (the game) and they literally brainstorm on which aspects of the franchise are the most iconic and important for people to relate to. The scene about Wagner Bros, is to point out that they would have made the movie even without them (Keanu, Carrie and Wachowskis) , at the expense of everything done before whether they actors and directors went along with it or not. There were more things to rescue from Matrix 4, a few honorable mentions are: The analyst explaining how much easier it is to manipulate people through their feelings, and how people are willing to believe any shit these days. The idea that men are women are more powerful when we are together (with Neo and Trinity supporting and encouraging each other throughout the 4 movies) And the idea that to move forward, humanity need to incorporate and work together with technology. The insight into human behaviorism regarding how we quietly yearn for what we don't have while dreading loosing what we do. (by the Analyst during bullet time in the workshop) Swarm mode is more about the way in which (in our world) political agendas can use (blue pill) people, still plugged to the system, to throw themselves to social platform in other to try to cancel anyone that threatens their perception of things and or their way of life.

[@mourbow]

Fun fact: Chad is the director of John Wick.

[@ZachM525]

When you realize that Neo didn't pickup or touch a single gun in this whole movie...an actor who has extensive gun training, john wick, real life tactical training....literally made the first movie scenes epic....didn't...touch...a...gun....the whole movie.

[@3COI]

I figured the review at the end would be negative, but I was surprised to see both of yall appear to enjoy (or at least be intrigued by) it as you watched it and then say you didn't like it at the end

[@Jump3RPictur3s]

The first movie was about the freedom of choice, the need some people have to feel in control of their own lives and the idea of most being in control of others (in the movie - the machines, the programs, the system). It was perfect, because it was self-contained while leaving you wanting more... Enter - the sequels. The Wachowskis didn't want to do any follow ups after initial release of The Matrix, but as the studio pushed and the fans were more and more vocal, they went - f*ck it, let's give them "what they want". Except when they gave us "what we wanted" and what the studio wanted, they showed both in the movies and with the movies that the problem is choice. Reloaded and Revolutions are two parts of one movie, can't convince me otherwise. The structure only makes sense if you watch both. It's just a 4h movie cut in two. That being said - they flipped the script with all characters and expectations. It's the reason why - aside from special effects - the sequels have not been kindly reviewed in the past. But in time people started to look into what the Wachowskis wanted to do, not what we the audience thought we want and deserve, and more and more parts of The Animatrix, Reloaded, Revolutions and all the games gained more and more fans over the years. And so the second part, "Reloaded Revolutions", is about the futility of the fight choice vs purpose. Either camp you think is more right is not ultimate, no real saviors, no heroes or villains. Smith was as flawed as Neo, he just went the opposite way in the choice options he was given. And when we, fans and studio, wanted more of the original Matrix - the Wachowskis gave us something else, something we were not ready for, they gave us too many options. It was like "so you want more Matrix, huh? fine, we'll give you more Matrix. We'll give you so much Matrix you won't know how to digest that sh!t." And so we as the audience failed, and it took a long time, and many still aren't ready for the truth, so hate prospers. Fast forward 20 years and here we are, WB were done listening to no one as usual and decided "remember that Matrix thing? how about we do more of that? Disney is redoing all the IPs left and right, seems to work, let's cash in on that trend too". LUCKILY Lana Wachowski decided to step in and once again give us the movie we deserve, not the one we envision in our rose-colored glasses of utopic nostalgia. It was lacking exactly what we, the fans and critics, has been telling for 2 decades sucks in the previous sequels, it hyper-focuses on the things we claimed used to be the best parts. And so while subjectively this movie FEELS bad, it is freaking fantastic. I've seen it a couple of times already, if I had a digital access to it (EU licensing sucks :[ ) then |'d have probably watch it many times in the row. If you think this movie is bad, it's because you were expecting it not to be bad. It's like you were hoping for the new original Matrix. There will NEVER be another Matrix, or at least not for a very long time, because it was too good. You can see 99% of the cast did an awesome job on this movie, shame some scheduling issues didn't allow for Hugo Weaving to reprise his role, but in the commentary about the decline of quality with the increase of quantity of content, the age of reboot-spinoff-franchises, it's fine even without him. And it looks like after 60 years Smith finally got to learn a bit, being in the loop with Thomas, he wasn't a dick because he learned to choose not to be a dick anymore. So if the first Matrix was about the freedom, second about the battle of choice vs purpose (also in context of choice to continue and sequels being inevitable) then what is the third installment in the actual trilogy? I don't know yet. I didn't see it enough times to decide on that yet. I'd need 30 more viewings, then I'll come and put it in some layman terms. For now - the quality of this movie depends on the expectations of the audience. I grew up on the Matrix and its follow ups of many formats, I was molded by the innovative questioning ideas that spread like wildfire throughout the pop culture. Heck, look at Christopher Nolan - there would be no Inception without The Matrix, and without Inception there wouldn't be a lot of other awesome movies and stories told to this day. This movie is perfectly summarized in the post-credits scene. Because you were catfished to think this was going to be the Matrix like the first one, learning nothing from the existing sequel material. Screw it, tomorrow I'm going back to the cinema to watch it again :D

[@littleredruri]

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[@littleredruri]

@@user-vc5rp7nf8f That's not what they said at all...

[@VColossalV]

Did it feel bad or was it just bad

[@littleredruri]

@@ryansmith-jr4gn I'd say they're very well made. Action, visuals, philosophy, acting, directing. If the story doesn't connect with you then sure, more power to you, but one thing you just can't accuse a Matrix movie of is being poorly made.

[@Maikigai]

Matrix 1 was about freedom of choice. *fans want more* Wachowskis, “I guess we don’t have a choice…” I know that’s not how it went down, just having fun with it.

[@dannylopez6637]

I had such high hopes for this movie, Just like many of us did. I had really hoped to see all the original cast but was left wondering why they did that. I feel that all though they wanted to really Neo & Trinity Together they are at there strongest, I feel like they could of shown that in a better more matrix Way.

[@nebulous8389]

I'm a casual Matrix fan. The first one was a classic & the sequels gradually got worse. But I actually liked this one but can see why hardcore matrix fans would hate it. I'm also surprised the action scenes were pretty lackluster compared to the first 3. I did really like Bugs though she was a great new character.

[@Norrin277]

Actually, something that would be really interesting to see, and that would put a very fresh take on the matrix without rebooting anything or ruining any lore, would be to make a matrix movie, but from the perspective of the machines. It wouldn’t be the same, and for all I know it probably wouldn’t have the same spark, but at least it would ignite a new spark for the people making it, as they’ll get to kinda take a break from trying to make “another matrix” movie that’s better than the first three. Maybe they could make a few of those, and then, after doing that(and getting another perspective on things) they could continue the story. Idk how they would necessarily do that, but it could be interesting. They could do that, and they could also make prequels, and have there be a another movie from the machine’s perspective for each prequel. So one or two years of making a prequel, then 2 years making the other side of the coin, and so on and so forth.

[@JiltedValkyrie]

The movie was made because Lana's mother died and needed a way to escape back into something, and resurrecting Trinity and Neo was a way to cope and focus on the relationship. It's worth a second watch to notice all the red/blue colouring denoting fake/real.

[@brunofelipe2]

"Complicated but simple" - Jen, 2022.

[@mgc26133]

I just wanna say the peace between machines and humans was never broken. Some people deliberately chose to stay in Matrix because the real world was so terrible to live in, like Cypher from the first movie. Morpheus even says the line "not all seek to control, just as not all wish to be free" in the scene where Bugs introduces Neo to her crew (around 1 hour into the movie). So machines never really imprisoned anyone else after M3 against their will. The characters make a point of mentioning what Neo did held and it made a difference. Machines even started to help out the survivors, providing them DNA sequences of fruits and vegetables so humans can grow them. They just did dirty to Neo because of the power he possessed, and seeing technically he was dead, so was Trinity, it's not like they broke any deals. I know I already commented in the Revolutions video I rate this movie 4, but I wanna elaborate on that. By all definitions of the word, this was by far the worst movie of the series. Like you already said, nothing but a cash-grab move. Jokes were too meta and didn't quite land. The beginning was unnecessarily convoluted. I still rate this one higher because this actually adds something to the lore. Machines and humans coexisting and helping each other out, improved access into and exit from Matrix, machines warring among themselves, etc etc. There were good ideas on the table, but the execution was too bad and the reliance on nostalgia took a lot out of the movie. The "Smith" and the "Morpheus" could have been entirely new characters and nobody would bat an eye. Smith never called Neo "Tom". Morpheus never dressed or acted like a hippy. Neo would never say "yeah" every 2 seconds which honestly annoyed the crap out of me. This movie had lots of issues. But I give it higher rating for actually being, or at least trying to be, creative. The motorcycle scene was thrilling, I liked the casting of older Sati - but not the character, and Bugs was easily the best thing in the movie. Jessica Henwick just cannot do wrong! :) Side note, one of the original directors quit the project midway through production, saying not directly but can be summarized as that she wanted nothing to do with this movie. That alone gave me little to hope for. In my head canon, there is only the 1 Matrix movie, the first one. The rest just might as well have never happened.

[@ceno10101]

In the movie, Trinity's husband is the director for John Wick. So when I saw him I totally pointed at the screen like that Leonardo Dicaprio meme.

[@1dudecrush]

Whereas No Way Home was a love letter to fans, this is an apology letter. I assume that it’s not even intended to be “meta.” Not in a clever way at least. It’s intended to say “so WB came to us, the creators and cast, and literally posed this scenario. You will either make a ton of money and have some creative control to reprise this, or we’ll do it without you.” And their response, from most of the cast and crew, was…fine. I don’t want to see what happens if we let you do it. And we can’t let the fans down that badly. If anything, we send the meta apology and hope for understanding and forgiveness.

[@ThatShyGuyMatt]

The war with the machines would have been a great movie instead. I think its what many of us were hoping for.

[@ivansalguero3746]

Make that the main story line ,do not show Keanu or trinity and make that a surprise throughout the film. Maybe make their rescue a conflicting matter that happens during the war. Maybe not what people where hoping for because that wasn't mentioned or showed in the trailers but it could've been a better way to continue the story or expand on it.

[@aqvist4696]

I liked the part in the beginning whereNro appears to be psychotic by remembering glimpses of the matrix. Like he's going insane and not knowing what is real or not. I have worked with people with these struggles and I really like the idea that maybe they are just people who got free from the matrix and then got put back again

[@Bubba_1776]

Remember in all the other matrix movies. They have the humans as a valuable resource like a Duracell battery. Only for this one to use swarm mode to kill the battery’s.

[@Saimeren]

Screw martial arts. Screw choreographing a cool fight scene that this entire franchise is built around. FORCE PUSH EVERYHING!

[@Saimeren]

Original trilogy Smith: Mr. Anderson This movie's Smith: MISTERRR ANDERSOOOOOONNNNN!!!!!!

[@JoshuaG]

Multiple reasons why this new Matrix movie failed to leave a good impression and bombed at the box office: 1. It's been 19 years since the last movie ended so its hard to engage and capture new audience's who aren't familiar with the franchise aside from longtime fans 2. Releasing it alongside 'Spider-Man No Way Home' definitely increased the competition in theaters. 3. Releasing it on streaming (HBO Max) didn't help either as well, as some of us know , Streaming = instant availability of Piracy. 4. Recasting fan-favorite characters like Morpheus and Smith may put some fans off.

[@kuhpunkt]

Well, it would have helped if it had been a good movie.

[@kbdemonbain4568]

i went into theatres for this movie with loooooooow expectations cause being this long after the trilogy ended it was clear at least to me it was never planned to do a 4th one from the start this was just kinda pulled outta their butts to make this one which they played off it in the movie so going in thinking this can be like dragon ball evolution levels of bad i actually walked out not hating the movie. i had fun it was a fun popcorn flick. as time goes on it probably is my least favorite clearly having the og agent smith at the very least would of been so much better but i think the actor who played the new smith did a good job i mean you can't replace hugo and morpheus once i looked past that its a program neo wrote not really morpheus i didn't mind it but if you view it as it should just be a copy of morpheus then i can see the dislike overall considering the odds this would be anywhere in the ball park as good as the first one or even the 2nd and 3rd i think it was far better than i expected it to be i understand people not liking it, its not a good movie. i think the fight scenes didn't fell all that matrix like, they should of gotten the fight directors who do all those old school martial art movies like they did for the original trilogy to direct the fight scenes in this one least imo i don't think this movie deserves the flat out hate its getting but i can see people not liking it

[@StayFractalesque]

never seen someone praise a film they literally say is "not a good movie" as much as this.. what's up dude? you don't have to like it, it's okay to hate it, because it's awful, not so much the content of the movie, but understanding why they made it in the first place.. the definition of Sell OUT

[@dcjosh23]

I think this movie is really interesting. Not my favorite Matrix, but it does a few interesting things. The meta commentary is hilarious and honestly I loved to see it. A new entry, like they said, was going to happen whether they liked it or not. WB was dead set on it and for the filmmaker to have the gall to straight up address it and talk about how stupid the idea was is something I applaud, haha. I like the lore that it adds; I think my favorite parts are probably where they're talking about whats happened between Revolutions and now. The world[s] they've built are just so darn fascinating to me and I loved learning about how a faction of the machines turned on themselves and now co-exist with the humans. Even all the reasoning for re-inserting Neo and Trinity. You have to think that *that* in itself is likely why the peace kind of degraded. I loved the re-inforcement of the idea that Neo really *wasnt* "The One" but that its more the two of them together. The original movies are rife with religious symbolism and you could carry that over to this thought that "the two have become one flesh" and so on. Only *together* are they "The One" and I think thats super fascinating. This movie really does a lot. Its a middle finger to the studio, [it IS only *half* of the original Wachowski duo, so who knows how things might've gone had they both returned?], its a continuation of the lore, its a coming to terms with age, its recurring cycles, new characters, nostalgic callbacks [on the note of recast characters, there's precedent for it in Revolutions with The Oracle, so its something i'm a little more able to stomach. I think Its said that Weaving and Fishburn DID want to return but scheduling prevented it.] I did like the new Smith, tho I dont think the new Morpheus had much chance to shine or come into his own. I dunno. It was an interesting flick and there's a lot that I do appreciate about it! But I can understand people being down about it. Its a different story trying to be told, it doesnt rely on formula and its most definitely NOT the summer blockbuster everybody was hoping/expecting it to be. But I applaud Lana Wachowski for coming and telling a story that she wanted to tell on her own terms, and not letting the studio machine get its mitts on the franchise, turning it into something they never would have.

[@littleredruri]

@@ryansmith-jr4gn She didn't want to make the movie, but if she was gonna make it then she would make it the way that she deems it to be made, not what WB tells her to make it as. Not hard to grasp.

[@takewhataway]

Also I really like the meta they done and this time instead of making us ask "are we in the Matrix?", the movie makes us wonder "Is Neo just a psychotic person?"😄Your comment is on point btw. My only dislike is the action. They're so half assed and I'm so confused why.

[@dcjosh23]

@@takewhataway the absence of the original fight choreographers was definitely felt, but I feel like I AM coming to terms with the fact that boisterous action is not what this movie is really about. (Still woulda loved to see more exciting fighting, especially when you see how cool Reeves still is in the Wick movies, doing all that stuff)

[@ImpeccableZentertainment]

I will say the monolog from the Analyst was awesome

[@glennwelsh9784]

"Chad" is actually his real name. That's Chad Stahelski, Keanu's stuntman on the Matrix trilogy and director of the John Wick movies.

[@Middlebrooke]

There are several reflections of both Neo and Trinity that show them as other people in the 1st act. Took rewatching it to catch em for me.

[@namekendrick]

LOL the Black Panther music at 12:33 .. love it

[@TheSpartan227]

Matrix Ressurrections makes you realize how Yuen Woo-ping, martial arts choreographer of the first trilogy, CARRIED the fight scenes. Even with a weaker plot, Matrix 2 and 3 at least had amazing fight sequences. Resurrections sadly had none, on top of having no real plot. With respect of the Wachowskis, if WB decides to do Matrix 5 they should give it to a director who cares (Denis Villeneuve?) or just leave Neo and make a spinoff about like...the machines civil war.

[@StayFractalesque]

duuuude.. the D. V. would make an awesome Matrix Reboot, No Cap! ..

[@denis480]

Villeneuve????? Over my dead body. That guy is responsible for the BR2049 shitshow.

[@martinjamiesonful]

*Holden and Jen uploads a video* Me: SNACKS?! CHECK ✔️ COFFEE? CHECK ✔️ GO!

[@tl8960]

sex jokes✔️ living together ✔️ having sex ✔️ tattoos ✔️ hyprocrites ✔️

[@povenmire207]

I’m gonna be honest. I heard Christina Ricci was supposed to be in this months before and subsequently forgot. I didn’t recognise her in the movie 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@scarsonadown]

Yeah i didnt see her either... Where was she?

[@povenmire207]

@@scarsonadown Well they spotted her in the reaction. Listen out for it.

[@scarsonadown]

@@povenmire207 oh yeah... I should've watched the video before commenting 😅

[@MarviMofoVarietyShow]

I think this movie would’ve served better if it was told through the pov of Trinity since this is somewhat of an awakening for her. Imagine her waking up but Neo is the one explaining the new Matrix. This movie felt like it was a prologue to the new reboot with Trinity as the new “One”

[@BattleDrum]

For me one of the tough reasons to care about the movie was the inclusion of soooo many actors from the Sense8 series. I get that its the Wachowskis, and even a LOT of the shots gave me serious Sense8 vibes, but it was hard to separate the two at times. Also, no one died. The first matrix and even Reloaded and Revolution had some measure of risk and loss when it came to characters. The movie felt like nothing was really on the line.

[@JadenPetty2677]

Some movies they do have special qualities but somewhere along the way. Some of them are good. I mean just look at the special features that's what I do all the time.

[@Kroesis]

I'm not sure if it's been explained or not but my thoughts on Neo's apparent lack of god tier powers in this one are that he's plugged into a re-written matrix, its not his matrix. He's still an anomaly but the updated code negates as much as they could only this time Trinity is also an anomaly which compliments Neo to the point that, when together, they are just as powerful as Neo once was.

[@bubaxis1]

I don't know if this is true, but I heard that, the studio was asking Wachowskis to make another one for a long time and they always declined. Warner bros then said "we will do another matrix with or without you", which was referenced in the beginning. So Lana Wachowski agreed to work on the sequel, but made it very meta, very self-aware and weird basically out of spite. Last time you were talking about the end of Revolutions and that it felt like an afterthought. Allegedly it was going to end in a very different way, but the studio decided that people wouldn't like it and they forced Wachowskis to change the ending. I personally didn't have any problem with how Revolutions ended, but this... I still don't know what to think of it.

[@barsmenemenlioglu3817]

OMFG YOU GUYS SHOULD DO MINDHUNTER ITS THE BEST THING EVER JEN WOULD BE IN LOVE WITH THE SHOW I SWEAR

[@tl8960]

i sure they will as they got loose christian morals

[@skateurself]

BTW !! Morpheus was killed in some matrix video game that was canon to the films.. He died like.. idk a couple years after revolutions but I don't remember how.. so there really was no way to bring him back...

[@michaelwhite7501]

It felt like there was no real danger. No one dies, there aren't any consequences. Every character survived, even at the end. In the original there was always the chance that someone we were connected to would die. I understand that the sister who directed this movie probably did it that way to deal with the death of her parents. It just doesn't feel like it is the matrix.

[@Elfanater]

I’m not surprised about how Holden references everything that I grew up with… aside from cad bane

[@RePzABN]

Feel the same way but I really enjoyed it. I liked the ending. Started slow but it got better over time.

[@B-Dad]

Blue hair was one of my favorite characters! Wish we had gotten far more of her. Also I wish the recast folks were just new people and not recasted!

[@sizzlereel3523]

PLOT HOLE: It is interesting that Neo and Trinity are more powerful together, BUT it wasn't even Trinity during the whole climatic ending. If you remember, BUGS was plugged-in so real world people could rescue Trinity's body from the pod. Trinity's entire revelation, realizing she could fly and all that, wasn't even her. It makes no sense :/

[@dimitryanyanwu7681]

19:47 I laughed when he mentioned the cops from the other guys, Those idiots had such a high ego that they thought they could make a safe landing on the bushes, we'll played Holden 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@StayFractalesque]

you noticed! lmao, kindred spirits you and i.. and holden too, of course, he can tag along..

[@CHRISPYakaKON]

Y’all need to watch the Animatrix 👀👀

[@B-Shells]

I really liked that part where they said they saw machines fighting machines I thought it was pretty cool like lore building or whatever

[@harlequingnoll5]

I thought it was hilarious they literally put a "our parent company is making us do this sequel video game/movie" scene in the movie.

[@Silver5021]

The thing I wanna say about this movie is that it gave me very much Star Wars Episode 7 The Force Awakens vibes. I mean not too bad but like as if they couldn’t really think of a good story to carry on the saga with. I mean they did a decent job but nothing of what I expected at all…

[@DeianJones94]

The thing about this movie. I think Lana Wachowski felt forced to make it because Warner Bros would have done Matrix 4 with or without her. So I think it was more of a "well I might as well just do it" kind of way. I don't think anyone felt like they needed to do this movie

[@BehindTheVoicePod]

I did appreciate few things but most of it wasn't good. The fighting especially didn't feel "powerful" for lack of a better term. There were too many camera cuts and it was like a typical hollywood action style fighting. You guys have already touched on all the points that I didn't like. It just doesn't have that magic at all , apparently they thought rehashing would be a good thing. But that was a stupid thing to do.

[@joshuamontel4602]

I won a Bill and Ted 3 contest and got to do a zoom call with Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter; Keanu's head was shaven for filming this movie at the time.

[@juicyfruit4494]

And by the way I think this movie proves that agents Smith is actually “the one”

[@MrBazBake]

There is no The One. Just a bunch of inevitable anomalies the Architect has prepared for. There's literally a room full of magical kids in The Matrix. Belief in the myth of The One got Morpheus killed, but the belief that anyone can get Neo's powers is what really matters.