My girlfriend watches What If...Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands

[@HoldenHardman]

Thanks so much for watching everyone! Make sure to check out my discussion with Jeremy about the episode too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXeZqJeuoMyCpMU

[@inadpumami3537]

30 weeks from now: "my girlfriend watches Harry Potter 6" still waiting on number 2 Holden :((

[@TheDAPler]

It states the video is private?

[@zackcvfair]

14:58 Holden, in that timeline Steven didn't lose the nerves in his hands. The deciding factor of him pursuing the mystic arts was Christine's death and because he was destined to become Sorcerer Supreme in that reality, that became the absolute point in time.

[@masterpizza5558]

Wach attack on titan 1

[@Sukrut_Kulkarni]

The most evil super villian, More than Thanos is Sorcerer Armani👹👹👹

[@dunstanwilliams1207]

This really shows how powerful doctor strange can become.

[@akaviral5476]

Breaking an entire universe definitely proves that haha

[@Serenity113]

Which is also why he kinda scares me now lol. I’ve always seen him as a good guy but this episode definitely shows how powerful he can be and with the wrong choice how destructive.

[@siah1166]

Yeah but to be fair anyone with access to the dark dimension could obtain this power

[@parth_19]

@@siah1166 This was beyond the dark dimension. He didn't even use the dark dimension. And also, Dormamu doesn't grant this much power to anyone, let alone Strange. So this was purely from the creatures he absorbed, the knowledge of Cagliostro( ironically he has also written a part of the Darkhold), and Strange's pure obsession. No one could've handled this(closest could be Wanda since she already absorbed powers from Chthon)

[@aniladhikari3974]

Dr. strange became Eternity in the comics, He is easily most powerful character in MCU.

[@Frank_Ditch]

i bet Uncle Ben’s death is also an “Absolute Event” considering the poor man cant get a break

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Kinda, House of M Spider-Man still had Uncle Ben alive, but almost every other Spider-Man gets his main mentor (usually that being Uncle Ben) killed

[@cardiac19]

Martha...

[@maschenny28]

@@cardiac19 Thomas and Martha be like😌

[@bryanwoods3373]

I think there was a What If issue that Peter stopped the thief. He realizes he has so much more potential for the world, so he and Uncle Ben work together so that he still becomes the hero we know.

[@azafusengaming2907]

didn't they mention it in "Into the Spider-verse" already?

[@JamesWiseMagic]

I loved how Steven was still Steven even when going down this dark path. He wasn't all "Mwahaha! I'm an evil villain now." He was still himself, just desperate and misguided, which made this story very believable.

[@alterego1121]

“So I have an evil twin?” “Misguided”

[@McHaro0079]

He was always full of himself. 😅

[@kinagrill]

He is twisted.

[@errwhattheflip]

@@McHaro0079 This one was definitely less arrogant than his movie counterpart. That one was just arrogant with his intelligence. This one seemed to be more mellowed-out with his happiness

[@joshuaholland5279]

I think it’s spelled Stephen

[@iCyberDev]

I think the Absolute point itself is that "Strange must lose that which he values the most". In our universe, he focused on his ego and success vs christine in this universe. So the absolute point for us would be to lose his hands, for this episode would be to lose Christine. The argument made here is that even if THIS Strange lost his hands, his ego wasn't inflated and his love and support from Christine might have let him endure the loss of his hands and not sent him on a quest to becomes Dr Strange. Unlike our Dr Strange, where his ego was so strong that even when Christine tried to support him, he wouldn't have it... THAT is why there are 2 different reasons for the absolute point, but the absolute point "goal" itself is absolute.

[@Chris-nc8fk]

Nailed it

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

And also there's the yuxtaposition of the main timeline Strange growing as a more selfless character, when he got the chance he said sorry to Christine, but his hands and the watch she gave him remained broken. While this What If...? Version of Strange went from a loving man with a selfless idea at first, to getting twisted into an power driven madman who can't move on.

[@bigtrey7]

Finally someone who explained it right

[@noahadams5694]

the funny part is that not only does he not care as much about his hands after becomin a sorcerer, he could likely also fix them with magic and has just chosen not to.

[@whatiswhat8061]

@@noahadams5694 i think he chose not to fix them instead, as a constant reminder to remain humble. this strange never had that kind of reminder, only the aching void in his heart and the time stone's promise to soothe the pain

[@danielruiz8259]

i found a tragic irony in this episode, Strange wanting to save Christine make him spend centuries looking for enough power, literally frozen in time, he is unable to grief properly and at the end...she still dies and he's gonna live forever and alone.

[@GhostySkate]

No he dies. The universe ends he dies with it.

[@Dark-wc4pu]

@@GhostySkate not really watch the trailer u will understand

[@jarretrausch]

@@GhostySkate he’s still stuck in his dimensional bubble

[@autograph415]

damn good job sherlock

[@GhostySkate]

Oh damn my bad now that is a proper punishment

[@evanalanjones]

The "plot hole" of Christine's death being an absolute in this timeline but not any others. Isn't a plot hole, from my understanding, the time stone, can not create branches in the timeline, it can only go forward or back in time, it can make changes but those changes do not branch into another universe. The reason its an absolute is because the man who is trying to change it, wouldn't be able to chance it because he wouldn't be trying to change it if it never happened, it's the universes self defence to stop paradoxes from occurring, which is why when she is brought back, the universe (not the world) calapses in on itself

[@StarkRG]

Exactly, it's a pivot point. You can change the angle of a lever pretty easily, but the closer you get to its pivot point the harder that is until, right at the pivot point, it's impossible and if you pull too hard on it you'll just pull the whole thing apart. Different timelines will have different pivot points.

[@folded9305]

I’m so glad someone understands this! And saw that the time stone didn’t branch time! To add to this I think the time stone is able to jump timelines too! Dr. Strange viewed multiple timelines with it in infinity war. And the ancient one said “I’m a projection through a tear in your reality” to me the ancient one (like kang) communicates with herself in different timelines and the one we see as an “echo” in the episode of what if could be an ancient one from a different timeline just passing by letting him know what path he should be on. Anyways tho, if strange could use the time stone to jump timelines, the evil strange at the end still had the time stone….I think the strange we see in no way home trailer is evil strange jumping timelines becoming a multiversal being and he’s gonna eventually be the mcus version of mephisto, trying to gain enough power to fix the universe be destoryed. But that’s just a theory, a film theory

[@markc4008]

Yeah, that's the... not a problem but the flaw in the What If...? titles - although they give a good idea of what the episode is about, it doesn't always tell you what the changing moment is. It did in episodes one and two - Peggy chose to stay, and Yondu outsourced capturing Ego's child - but they didn't do it for episodes 3 and 4 - with episode 3's changing moment being Hope joining SHIELD, and episode 4's being Christine going against 'The Strange Policy' and saying yes to going to the event with Stephen.

[@mavvynne444]

The time stone not only works on forward or rewinding time, but it also can stop time, create time loop, time zone, anything that relates to time itself. The power of time stone is still limited tho cuz it needs other infinity stones to greatly boost its power to the next level

[@hydradominatus3641]

You can pick it apart but the point is the emotional message.

[@GenerationWest]

Each new universal timeline was given it's own fixed absolute point. In the main timeline, Christine never goes to his celebration event, but here, she does. Now The Watcher interacting with Strange, wasn't expecting him to pop up this early. He shouldn't intervene, but eventually, he always does, and the world and multiverse is always better for it, or else the comic 616 timeline would be Galactus food in the mid 60's lol

[@Johnny_JD]

In the MCU Sacred timeline Strange losing his hands is an absolut point but he doesn't get together with Christine and that's how she gets to live

[@danielruiz8259]

One thing, the watcher didn't intervene, Dr Strange became so powerful he could sense him

[@terrrrrrrrrrrrrrry]

The way i understood an absolute point, is simply a paradox, like you cannot go back and prevent your mom from meeting your dad, that would be an absolute point. Not for the whole reality, but just for you.

[@cozzie029]

@@terrrrrrrrrrrrrrry This is how I understood it, it's the same as a "fixed point" in Dr. Who, something a time traveler can't change without creating a paradox.

[@folded9305]

@@cozzie029 that’s what he said lol , but either way I’m just glad people are understanding

[@RulerMichael]

Benedict Cumberbatch is a phenomenal voice actor and it shows. The range he got to work with here really paid off imo, even to the point I was getting Smaug vibes. Best one so far!

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

you can tell some of the other stars are NOT voice actors, they struggle to provide good performances at times. Ben is excellent.

[@RulerMichael]

@@user-jt1js5mr3f Indeed.

[@QuantumFishFTW]

I mean he was the voice actor for smaug sooo

[@alterego1121]

@@user-jt1js5mr3f *cough* Sebastian Stan 😮‍💨😂

[@RulerMichael]

@@QuantumFishFTW That was what I was hinting at 😂 But yeah😎

[@SWTobito0702]

What I love about this episode is that we never actually truly see the point in which this universe diverged from the main MCU timeline. We never see what caused Stephen to go together with Christine instead of alone like in the movie but whatever it was changed the circumstances for him to become a sorcerer so intrinsically that her deatj became a fixed point in time. Genius.

[@RaixsOreh]

the diverging point was either: Strange and Christine didn't end they're relationship prior to the time of the first Dr. Strange film, or they split up in friendlier terms enough that Christine was open to joining him. the reason she didn't go with him in the first Dr. Strange film was because they weren't together anymore at that point and she was kinda fed up from his arrogance.

[@annettemcgreevy1258]

@@RaixsOreh i think blind wave put it best when they said, the fixed point in each universe is whatever is most important to that universe's dr strange, in the mcu it's his work and in this it's Christine

[@StarkRG]

We didn't see the divergence point in the last episode either. It was sometime before Hope died but we don't actually get to see that.

[@kristovx7]

It's assumed that the change was Christine making a different choice, i.e., to go with him to the awards instead of adhering to her "Strange Policy." Much like Peggy's Choice to stay on the floor instead of watching from the booth led her to become Captain Carter. So basically it's all Christine's fault the universe died. ;P

[@yantyagustina2735]

Actually we did. Sacred timeline Doctor Strange invited Christine to come with him to a neurological dinner party and she rejected him,recognizing it would be a show off for him. Also I got the impression they were on on-and-off romantic relationship while WhatIf Doctor Strange was romantically devoted this Christine.

[@jinxie712]

If the title wasn’t a mystery, it would probably be “What If Dr Strange and Christine Never Broke Up?”

[@RaixsOreh]

yeah, just like how the last episode was technically "What if Hope Van Dyne had joined SHIELD instead of her father's company."

[@pedrouchoa472]

I think it would be "what if Dr strange loved someone more than himself"

[@jinxie712]

@@pedrouchoa472 wasn’t that why they broke up? It looks like in this universe they were still together. In the movie, the broke up a while back. Also, that title is kinda close to what we got. Lol

[@scorpiongurlz89]

No, actually it's more like 'What If Dr. Strange isn't a selfish person.' The reason Christine broke up with him because he was very selfish. In this timeline, Christine clearly more important than his career. Which make it really sad because Dr. Strange literally have to be an asshole for the universe to survive.

[@jinxie712]

@@scorpiongurlz89 I don’t know… he had to be selfish to do what he did. He did all that because of his love for her. He wasn’t thinking about if she’d want it. He kept killing her to bring her back to him.

[@dante2037]

Imagine how gut wrenching and haunting, "Stephen, what did you do?" from your love would be as the last thing you hear before spending eternity alone in a tiny box responsible for the destruction of everyone and everything. I wonder if this version of strange could appear in Multiverse of Madness??

[@Thorozak]

I’d like to think he WOULDNT show up because he’s literally in a closed off universe that is lost.

[@themultiverseproductions8492]

@@Thorozak the trailers show him interacting with captain carter and thor so...

[@to3sted248]

@@Thorozak The watcher will prob help strange go into another universe bc of the trailers

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

@@themultiverseproductions8492 that could be a completely different Dr Strange from a different universe

[@themultiverseproductions8492]

@@enadegheeghaghe6369 no because he looks exactly like this one, with the same gray face, suit, same cape he got from that giant bug and the same red magic. Yeah it's definitely him. Why would it not be him? Spoiler alert each episode is introducing a member of the guardians of the multiverse, a multiversal team brought together presumably by the watcher to save the multiverse or something. So far captain carter, t challa and this doctor strange has been introduced.

[@ferociousflunky]

Imo, best episode yet. Everytime I see dr strange I like him much more than the last, a very good character

[@spcl0ne646]

100%, it's like Benedict is getting more and more comfortable in the role, even though i thought he nailed it in the first movie, he keeps getting better.

[@moonknight8913]

@@ericb9252 shut up

[@coastercreations6126]

@@moonknight8913 its just his opinion lol

[@moonknight8913]

@@coastercreations6126 shut up

[@coastercreations6126]

@@moonknight8913 bro chill....

[@JonPaulMaki]

My theory is that Christine started that fire trying to make her own Crème Brûlée in the timeline in which Dr. Strange bailed on her. Don't wave a torch around when you're hurt and angry and have most likely had a few drinks!

[@passarovoador6662]

The real Villain is the Crème Brûlée

[@ferociousflunky]

Crème brûlée - destroyer of universes

[@skylerd]

My theory is he didn’t know he had to drive the car alone and break his hands

[@passarovoador6662]

@@skylerd Even if he breaked his hands, Strange in that Universe wasn't a selfcentered jerk, and would just live with Cristine

[@Emeraldnite-if7vo]

@@skylerd Well they showed (and glad they did) that even if he drove off without her she still would have died.

[@JedHead77]

I felt exactly like Doctor Strange years ago, wanting to rewind time to save someone I loved who was taken so suddenly. It took me five years to finally let her go. 🥀

[@kinjalroy9407]

Sorry for your loss

[@JedHead77]

@@kinjalroy9407 Thank you

[@Grasfh]

You’re not alone

[@adnan_honest_jihadist5775]

You gotta be weak than innerly

[@QuantumFishFTW]

@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all

[@johnelmartagbago3764]

The reason why Christine's death is an absolute point in time in this alternate reality is because personality-wise Strange is different from his main timeline counterpart. This Strange wasnt shown to be egotistical proud character, he's more sensitive and romantic. That change in personality changes his motivations and his paths. So the death of Christine is a change that would force him to learn mystic arts and eventually end Dormammu's attack. EDIT: *So the real **_"What If...?"_** here is **_"What if Stephen Strange is different personality-wise."_*

[@VictorEscamilla]

yes he is very diferent in that regard from its counterpart from the mcu, same as the ones in episode 1 and 2

[@matthewriley2178]

That's very true. And it's also quite possible that the main timeline Strange we know had an absolute point in time when he broke his hands, since that is what started his transition to become Sorcerer Supreme

[@juicesghost8501]

This also clues us in on that while certain decisions fracture multiverses, it doesn't mean they cant get to a central point along different paths. Whether by broken hands or losing Christine, both choices lead to him becoming sorcerer supreme and defeating Momamoo.

[@EternalDensity]

That makes a lot of sense.

[@SohailJafar1]

Exactly. I don't know why this is confusing others.

[@Kroesis]

Pretty sure the difference between 'our' universe and this one is the fact that Strange values Christine more than his own career. In both universes he lost that which mattered most, in ours, his ability to perform and be the best surgeon there is, in this it is Christine. Whatever he loses becomes his Absolute Point, his motivation to seek out the mystic arts, become the sorcerer supreme and defeat Dormammu. So in our universe he would not be able to go back and save his hands from being crushed just like in this one, he could not save Christine from being killed.

[@Japoesneus]

Exactly

[@megaavonaco9954]

Damn, our strange is living his best life because he was an egotistical ass at first. This strange suffers by seeing his lover die multiple times and the universe is destroyed by his love. Is the moral here to love yourself?

[@michailsouza3297]

I love how it encapsulates all stages of grief in the episode, it is really well written.

[@3dstuff654]

This was such a heartbreaking and dark epesode

[@jackpotdadon]

Yea but it was great

[@Grasfh]

Ikr i loved it

[@arifkarim4184]

I think Benedict did quite a great job n feels like he gave his all doing the voice acting and the part on Strange's screaming after countlessly trying to save Christine n the ending when he said "no no no no no" and "i'm sorry" cuz imo it make em sound like he really means those words

[@3dstuff654]

@@arifkarim4184 yeah I loved it

[@moonknight3526]

This was such an amazing episode

[@jackpotdadon]

I agree 😁

[@youngzee8]

But also depressing

[@YourDadYoda]

I don’t know how they’ll be able to top it

[@moonknight3526]

@@YourDadYoda zombies episode might top it

[@moonknight8913]

@@ericb9252 shut up

[@jaycee945]

Think of Christine's death in this What If universe being like Strange losing his hands in the main universe. If Strange didn't have the accident and lose his hands, he would not have become the Sorcerer Supreme and that is an absolute point in time, the same is true of this What If universe but losing Christine.

[@mairisberzins8677]

That is literally what the title says... What if Dr. Strange lost his heart instead of his hands........ The whole thing about what if series is showing the outcomes of 1 different event, which is obviously mentioned in the title.

[@skylerd]

If only he’d known to break hands in while driving the car alone. Jk

[@Johnny_JD]

@@mairisberzins8677 that 1 different event in this Universe was Christine accepting to go to the party with Stephen

[@NOWABO]

Buy how can there be any such thing as an Absolute Point? Endgame told us that if you go back in time, you aren't actually changing your past. You are just visiting an alternate universe. Unless.... the time stone works differently than regular time travel?

[@Johnny_JD]

@@NOWABO maybe the time stone created the absolut point and isn't letting Strange reverse it because it knows that would lead to Dormamu destroying our dimension

[@MeesdeFilmliefhebber]

I feel safe to say that is episode was an absolute masterpiece. All of Strange´s grief, love, obsession, fear and anger felt SO REAL. His relationship with Christine was so short but sweet, which made all his failed attempts to prevent her death so heartbreaking... How he became a Marvel version of Darth Vader to get her back, and ultimately lost everything, while being completely and utterly alone in the last fragment of a destroyed universe, with only her last words of fear and grief haunting him... and the ANIMATION OMG this had one of the most thrilling action sequences I´ve seen from Marvel since Endgame! We truly get a grasp of how incredibly terrifying and dangerous Stephen Strange could be if he used his powers in the wrong way. And the voice acting of Benedict and Rachel was equally amazing to convey what the characters were struggling with. I give it an 8.6/10

[@awesomerobotg3494]

You said it was a masterpiece, but then you give it a 8.6/10. That’s not a masterpiece...

[@MeesdeFilmliefhebber]

@@awesomerobotg3494 even a masterpiece has flaws. You have your definition of one, I have mine.

[@moonknight8913]

@@ericb9252 nope

[@mrfcukmylife]

when hes brought her back and she dissolves again in his arms and hes like "nooo nooo noo" man that hit hard in the feels.

[@cptbabyface9804]

Benedict Cumberbatch's experiences with voice acting really made this episode feel so much more raw and emotional. You really understand why he did what he did and feel a rush of empathy for him even though he destroyed the universe. Also him arguing and trying to convince his other self that what he was doing was wrong was really amazing.

[@jackpotdadon]

I feel like this was definitely the best episode so far 😁

[@brianegendorf2023]

Its not Chrsitine that makes the "time paradox" problem, its time travel. In the regular no "what if.." version of the story, Steven Strange hurts his hands in the car accident. If that occured in that version of the story, he'd never be able to do anything to keep his hands from getting hurt, because that ALSO would keep him from fighting Dormamu...

[@charliemorris3984]

You could just see how captivated Jen was during this ep!! Prob my second favourite so far loved this ep sm

[@npiccolo96]

Best episode so far! Each episode is getting better and better to me. Doctor Strange is becoming one of my favorite characters. This showed how powerful he can be. Loved it!

[@adityaprakash9089]

This episode made me cry. Twice. Because I too have someone who I love dearly and could totally understand what he did.. because I would too go to any extent to bring her back. Even with the warnings and all.

[@SkyProtonFood]

there are only 3 absolutes in life: 1. death 2. taxes 3. Benedict Cumberbatch unable to pronounce "Everything" like an American while doing an American accent.

[@AdamPFarnsworth]

I love how stressed Jen looks through this whole episode lol

[@AdamPFarnsworth]

(Because it's a good show!)

[@QuinSexton]

You can tell how dark and powerful this episode was just with how calm and almost saddened reaction portion of the video was. In previous episodes the reaction is more upbeat and energetic kind of like the beginning of the episode. And the reaction very much matched the tone of the episode. Really goes to show how well marvel can hit in all the right emotions

[@jimberjamber8540]

In my opinion, this is the best piece of Marvel content we've got since Infinity War. Fantastic writing, excellent visuals, and they actually had the balls to give it a bitter and realistic ending. I would watch an entire movie based on this.

[@p4sk4l]

I think that Dr. Strange losing the thing he loves most is the absolute point in time in all/most universes, Strange seemed to have less of an ego in this universe which made his relationship with Christine better, so he had to lose her whereas in "our" universe the thing he loved most was himself, so he had to lose himself/his ego by losing his hands

[@hierophantpurple5163]

I saw someone mention the the absolute point in time for Dr.Strange in each universe is losing what he loves most and that drives him to the mystic arts. In the main MCU universe our Strange is more arrogant, doesn't love anyone, his most prized thing is his hands. Whereas in this alternate universe he is more sensitive and romantic and Christine is the most important thing to him.

[@dankerbell]

the watcher smack-talking strange supreme was satisfying and having him get his comeuppance was great. the bleak ending was awesome too

[@Huub17]

You guys are amazing! Please go on with your journey, you are making me really happy😍😊

[@koorirk2898]

HOW DID U TYPE THAT IN LIKE 20 SECONDS

[@Darkstar72SR]

“I think I just had a mild cardiac event” - what Holden says every time Jen walks into the room

[@chrismcbrayer4018]

A character always having to fix things, not being able to let go, and being Lost reminds me of a certain someone. Jack Shepard, maybe?? lol

[@LeoNoa1]

Can’t wait for Matt’s reaction to the Marvel universe breaking his rule and not letting someone come back to life 😂

[@Ncyphen]

This is actually a similar plot to what happened in the second half of the anime Steins;Gate. Slowly watching the maddening of a man has countless time after time, unable to correct that which has been wrong, to save that which loved. Amazing series. You really end up feeling his grief and frustration.

[@lukewarm1242]

villain and evil aren’t the same thing, and i think this shows that so well, this strange was a villain 100%, but at his core he is a good man, but his desires to save someone he loved, something normally seen as heroic, led him down a path of pain that destroyed him and his soul.

[@j.d.s8942]

This one is best one in the What If ? Episodes, story was so organic emotions were good, it's a whole new level..

[@billygregory1547]

hold up okay after rewatching this again it just made me realize. Why didn’t Strange just make a sparkle portal to wherever they r going? Like he clearly still has his powers cuz he’s able to continuously go back in time so why not just make a sparkly portal. Now before u say “oh he needs the sling ring to do it” okay then just go back to the present and grab a sling ring then go back to the past and boom Bobs ur uncle!

[@Anarkey]

This episode captured the essence of What If comics where there were some stories that literally took a far worse turn for some of the heroes. Reminded me so much of What If Dr Strange becomes a disciple of Dormammu.

[@AngryPieMan]

What made this timeline different was that Strange and Christine already had a healthy and powerful relationship. In the movie, Strange was still too self centered for anything to impulse him towards the mystic arts except losing his hands. In this universe, even if he lost his hands, he would have coped because he would still have Christine. Tragic irony. Because he loved her, it had to be her. Then that same love became obsession and drove him to destroy her and everything else.

[@scottholcomb1190]

I love watching both of your faces during this episode. Jen was really into it, especially in the later parts. It's all in the eyes.

[@Uatu-the-Watcher]

Well, Jen. What you’ve experienced with the MCU to this point is what went on in our minds as we were reading comic books over the years, especially in childhood. The scale of the stories, and the visual effects, played in our imaginations informed by the art. The MCU is an excellent demonstration of why comic books have been popular for 80 years. Thanks for joining the club. :-)

[@killraven8783]

Perhaps, in this particular Universe Strange loved Christine more so she was the absolute point. Where as in the main timeline it was Stevens skill or rather himself. I feel his pain! cause I had a car named Christine, and...oh wait.

[@juicesghost8501]

You ended up killing a bunch of people you knew after you fixed it up? Yeah that happens.

[@joaovictormitkealaodocouto9323]

Honestly this episode was absolutely amazing, i’m also really glad they went along with the tragedy ending, it creates a whole new perspective of depth and danger to these scenarios. It is definitely a positive to know What If will be returning with more episodes and a second season, this is great! PS: I hope some of the things shown here could make their way to our own universe in the upcoming movies regarding the multiverse, would love to see Hayley Atwell return as Captain Carter in live action

[@ashenfang]

In my opinion, the most tragic moment is when he let her drive, saying she was all that mattered, essentially hoping he was the one that died in her place.

[@marklang5483]

The Artwork and Choreography is sublime!! Best yet!

[@v1rat.]

These episodes keep getting better and better

[@Lala-ex9nx]

This episode was the best of all the "What If" series. This storyline was so believable and within the character of Dr. Strange. Incredible voice over work from all of the cast. It was excellent.

[@Antwannnn]

The episodes keep getting better!!! I hope it continues this way. *knocks on wood*

[@tejashweruthaman9194]

It was heartbreaking..... Dark..... So good.

[@mannycool4618]

The nexus event was actually going to the party with him, in the movie she decided not to come

[@Nydas]

@@mannycool4618 Nah, its their breakup. In the movie they are ex's. In this they are still together.

[@mannycool4618]

@@Nydas oh ok

[@tejashweruthaman9194]

@@ericb9252 HAHA nice joke

[@rjeizzay9619]

Funny how the one story with actual stakes and plot and character quickly becomes the favorite

[@_JaimeDavies]

New camera setup? Footage lookin extra crispy, my guy! Keep up the great content!

[@RajBauer]

This episode was so emotional. I got serious shadow of the colossus vibes the whole time. Amazing episode And yup the watcher is showing us all these what if’s because these characters will all come together to stop something bigger In our universe the absolute point in time is his hand injury.

[@animatorFan74]

Agreed with Jen, this is definitely my favourite episode too. It really had an Infinity War-type ending, where it's all up in the air.... such a dark and intense episode.

[@Sharpester]

This ending is a rare one, as it actually plays out like it should, the most probable outcome. Movies have a habit of underdogs winning, odds being beat, good triumphing no matter how outmatched.

[@zbennalley]

I think the fact The Watcher talked to Dr.Strange he changed the timeline. Going forward I think all these stories will connect.

[@ashleyt4860]

This episode was so good! I love how dark it was compared to the others and how far they pushed it. I always love watching you and Jen react! I feel like it would be really fun if you reacted to the BBC Sherlock series. Great video as always!

[@danajackson332]

The fixed point being her death is because it was the catalyst for him becoming Sorcerer Supreme. In our MCU Universe the catalyst was injury to his hands. Either way it is the loss of whatever is most important to that version of Dr. Strange. Our MCU Strange values his career the most, and in that Universe he valued his love for Christine, or his personal life... That's what I was imagining at least.

[@MasterZeus94]

Couple of things I've noticed: 1) What Dark!Strange was doing, the dark magic absorption thing, was very similar to what Agatha Harkness was doing to gain power and keep herself ageless. This is also funny because in the comics Strange does make deals and bargains with mystic beings for power. 2) O-Bengh in the comics is one of the names used by Cagliostro, the mentioned pioneer of time magic. So technically Strange did meet him. 3) Wong's big protection spell mentioned the Vishanti who in the comics is a trinity of mystic beings (one of them being Agamotto, creator of the Eye) and the primary source of Strange's magic.

[@reina.0_0]

I love Jen and ✨ThE CrEePeR✨

[@karenelisha8008]

This was a sad one but I loved it. Holden pls show Jen the Webb duology too after raimi

[@FearTheDeep]

They cut the scene in this reaction where the Watcher was noticed, remember it takes an insane amount of power to notice a being of his level when he's not wanting to be seen.

[@muzzammilshaik7241]

The theme of this episode reminds me of the quote from The Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 1 - “It’s the things we love most that destroy us” . So sad.

[@jmcdermid]

This is easily the most bright and cheerful story in the MCU.

[@ittyandpocky]

I think him crushing his hands was an absolute point in the main timeline, because if that didn't happen he wouldn't become Sorcerer Supreme and wouldn't defeat Dormammu, so if he went back in time to prevent that from happening he creates the same paradox that happened here.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

Supreme Strange pleading with the Watcher is my favorite What If? scene so far.

[@AngryPieMan]

Low key hoping evil Dr Strange is the horror villain in the Multiverse of Madness.

[@JamesWiseMagic]

More than likely it'll be Wanda that dives into villain territory.

[@richwagener]

After rewatching this with you guys it really reminds me of pre-Dr Strange stories in the comic Strange Tales.

[@richwagener]

I mean in its tone and tragic ending.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

this is basically The Time Machine, animated, complete with the death by accident, the robbery gone wrong, the suicide, the time paradox, and even the black librarian. almost a scene-by-scene copy!

[@trevornorris4655]

In our universe it’s his hands that become an absolute point in time. If he wants to go back and fix his hands he wouldn’t be able too.

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

I wasn't expecting that this is gonna end like that, and I was just tearing up and it hit me😢 And I'm rarely sad.

[@pauliskaros5178]

Its an absolute point because it was the event that lead to him seeking the mystic arts. without it he would never become sorcerer and have the power to go back in time in the first place, he would be creating a grandfather paradox to change that event. In the mcu his absolute point is losing his hands.

[@Emeraldnite-if7vo]

You made the "Time Machine" comparison and what I HATE about that movie is that Guy Pearce gives up after his first try (from what I remember). At least in this episode they show Strange trying a number of things to save Christine (whenever I thought of something they showed it, which I loved). It is interesting to think that the only thing he didn't try (or that was shown) was breaking up with her.

[@Gosperella26]

I haven't watched this series but I lobe me some Dr. Strange and this is was very powerful. I'm not a big fan of those going back in time only to find out you can't change the outcome but to see it taken in the direction it was...I mean I truly understand being glued to the episode. And like you said...not quite used to the heroes losing part but definitely glad to see the different takes on it. I lobe things that are so unpredictable and I agree...they can do so much with just Dr. Strange alone. Truly enjoy the take y'all have on these movies/shows

[@Game_Over64]

Definitely my favorite episode. One of my favorite stories altogether honestly. I really like to see tragic endings and I'm hoping that What If...? will allow us to see these types of situations every once in a while.

[@RedCaio]

This one was so sad. Definitely reminded me of Time Machine too.

[@dyloosutherland3075]

This is my favourite what if episode that's been shown anything that's wibbly wobbly timey wimey i just love great reaction aswell holden and jen strange knowing of the watcher is great

[@noahfortner2]

One of the only things in the MCU to get genuine tears out of me

[@jet9066]

That surgery that he accomplished in this universe, isn't it the one that he was considering during his accident in 616?

[@Eidlones]

I really loved the morphing effects they did when Strange would shift into the other creatures. Really fantastic looking episode. Multiverse of Sadness

[@blueroninstudios]

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[@chasehaney8614]

dude I need that music at the end of your video! So good.

[@TomboTime]

"I'll have the power to make COOKIES beyond your wildest dreams." Shit, I'd take that power

[@16Duvald]

Interesting fact: A.C Bradley, who was the writer for epsiode 4 of What If, was initially scared of this story due to heavy flaws and tragedy, or if it was a really dark and emotional episode. But she found it as a very rewarding experience, and that the people really love the dark Dr. Strange episode

[@Exaris79]

Using a variation of the technique that the Ancient One had used, a temporal duplicate could had been used to create a clone of Christine. Strange actually used this technique already multiple times in his movie as well as in Infinity War. Also another technique is to save her spiritual essence and revive her dead body then put her spirit back in it. She died, that's irrevocable fixed point in time, it doesn't that she had to stay dead or another copy of her had lived.

[@MeanderingMikesManCave]

Episode 4 is where Marvel shows that What If means SERIOUS BUSINESS! I love it. Excelsior!

[@andrewe2057]

In that universe, it's an absolute point in time because it's the catalyst that gives Strange the ability to time travel. If she doesn't die, then he would never gain the power to save her. It's a paradox. So as I see it, the "fixed point" is in relation to Dr. Strange, not necessarily the universe as a whole.

[@Grasfh]

Watcher scene gave me goosebumps

[@oxhine]

Hey, Holden and Jen! Different universes have different Absolute Points. It depends on what the variant treasures most to compel his obsessive quest. In our universe, it was his hands. In this universe, it was Christine. In other universes, it could be his car, dog, medical license, ability to walk, his sight, etc. The darkest chapter yet! The point of divergence occurred at some point during the relationship between Christine Palmer and Stephen Strange because, in this universe, they are a romantic couple rather than amicable, flirtatious exes. This causes her to be a passenger on the fateful car ride to the awards ceremony that robs the doctor of what is most precious to him. However, in this universe, the most precious thing to Strange are not his hands but Christine. The title is a metaphor. Everyone from the films returns to voice their character including Leslie Bibb, the ambitious journalist from the "Iron Man" movies, Christine Everhart, as a news reader reporting on a deadly apartment fire. New character, O-Bengh, which is an alias of Marvel's Cagliostro, is voiced by Ike Amadi. In 2018, prior to Thanos' attack, Strange uses the Time Stone to change Christine's fate in 2016 but learns it is an Absolute Point in time. Apparently, the universe requires him to become the Sorcerer Supreme meaning that the destruction of his hands in our universe is its Absolute Point in order to yield the same outcome. After multiple iterations of Christine's death, the Ancient One appears in 2016 which is prior to her first meeting with the man although this is the time-traveling Strange from 2018. She attempts to dissuade a distraught Strange from his present course. He refuses to comply and disappears but not before the Ancient One splits him in half so that his half-self in 2018 abandons the notion of meddling with fate and joins Wong for tea. Meanwhile, the time-traveling half of Strange finds himself in a primeval jungle outside an ancient temple that houses the library of Cagliostro. Its caretaker, O-Bengh, guides Strange inside. O-Bengh has heterochromatic eyes and is most certainly Cagliostro himself. Cagliostro, in our history, was an 18th-century alchemist and astrologer who entertained the courts of Europe. In Marvel Comics, Cagliostro is a real sorcerer of tremendous power and long life who taught several magic-users and possessed the Darkhold for a time. He went by the alias O-Bengh. Strange spends centuries absorbing extradimensional beings including a portion of Shuma-Gorath to amass enough power to alter an Absolute Point. At one point, he senses a disapproving Uatu. When he is done, O-Bengh dies of old age revealing to Strange that he is only half a man and cannot succeed. The Ancient One sends a psychic echo of herself beyond the point of her death in 2017 to the half-Strange of 2018 to inform him of his role in the universal collapse and the threat of his other self. He and a dissolving Wong cast protective runes on Strange's face before he is snatched to 2016 by his dark half. The Stranges battle, the Cloak of Levitation is shredded and the protective runes are swept away! The two halves merge and Christine is restored to a demonic Strange as the universe collapses. Strange shelters the two of them in a pocket mirror dimension and sees Uatu! He beseeches the Watcher for aid! Uatu condemns Strange for not heeding his warning and those of Wong, the Ancient One and O-Bengh leaving him to his fate as Christine dissolves away. Trapped in his mirrored prison, Strange is all that remains of his universe. A crucial chapter of "What If...?" as Dark Strange will be seen again in this series and is possibly the Strange variant in "Spider-Man: No Way Home"! Also, what became of Mordo in this universe? His disillusionment with sorcerers was certainly borne out with this Strange!

[@marveltiktoks3109]

The one thing that was different in this timeline that caused the chain of events was Steven and Christine stayed together, which is really sad to know that no matter what they couldn’t be together or else it ultimately ended with the end of the world.

[@TheGiani1996]

step 1 : go back in time step 2 : pause time step 3 : create a double of her step 4 : take original back to future step 5 : ??? step 6 : Profit

[@Nek0xGG]

At the end, Strange can talk with The Watcher because he was too powerful, that's why while he was absorbing all the other entities he senses The Watcher a little bit.

[@realtealcovers232]

I really enjoyed this episode. So well done. Looks like the next episode may be a multiversal war or something like that. I'm excited.

[@rafaeljaso3464]

Cool reactions n reviews and it the best one so far!!!👍