My Honest Thoughts of The First Descendant

Yesterday, we beat The First Descendant's campaign. Here's my thoughts on the game so far after our time playing it.
#nexon #thefirstdescendant #review
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:15 Monetization
3:12 Core Gameplay
4:16 Descendants
6:31 The Campaign
10:13 End Game
13:00 Closing Thoughts
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[@AztecrossGaming]

*Got lots of folks saying, it just like Warframe. I have played very little of Warframe. Perhaps at some point, we'll give that game a full go too.*

[@eyeONE_Official]

Warframe ain't bad mate, you should definitely give it a shot. The monetization is much more acceptable than this bs.

[@cjcool0078]

As someone with a lot of hours in warframe I would recommend you do a bit of research into the game due to the intro to the game is a wee bit not linear in its approach to new players

[@PeakToxicity]

TFD = Warframe > Destiny

[@xwinters8632]

@@eyeONE_Officialstop the 🧢 I literally dropped $20 on Dante. The primes are almost 50-60 at launch. Granted warframe does do deals a lot. But let’s no pretend warframe micros were any better at the start. I will admit the ultimate costs on here are crazy and the color palette issue 100% but the rest feels just like warframe. Especially if they add trading.

[@dfordesmondg]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE !!!! IT WOULD MEAN THE WORLD To watch you play warframes full story!! i woulk seriously cry tears of joy to have an epic creator like you playing warframe!!!

[@finenova6673]

The thing the killed Anthem was that the devs literally had no clue how to actually run a looter shooter game. When the game released, people were spamming a certain dungeon for loot, and the devs decided to patch it AND BAN EVERYONE WHO FARMED THAT DUNGEON. It was the most insane thing I ever seen

[@russkiasmr1037]

They banned people for farming in a game that revolved around farming for good loot? Holy shit, I'm glad I stayed away from Anthem.

[@Triforcebro]

True, they didn't. Nobody even stayed around once the game released because everyone found out the trailer was a lie and one that even the dev team didn't even know of till it was shown to the public.

[@Why-_-So-_-Serious]

​@Triforcebro lol it was still pretty dam popular and it died as soon as they removed the road map to what was coming next and they didn't just ban people for farming they banned people that were abusing glitches lol

[@celem12]

To be fair I think it was more of an EA thing than the Devs. I've hear that management didn't want to hear the words Destiny/Division at all in meetings. I mean, what the hell?!?

[@quivertheprotogen7905]

The thing that killed the game was that in year 6 out of 7 of development, most of the gameplay and story was thrown out the window so that everything could be shifted around the iron man fantasy. You were never meant to fly, you were never meant to be the apex predator in this place. You were supposed to be a bug. With all these weapons, these suits, these powers, you were supposed to be a BUG compared to the threats and environments. It was supposed to be a story of survival against an overwhelmingly hostile world and everything they developed around that was dropped to turn it into an Iron Man looter shooter within a year. The E3 premier from the year before release was legitimately slapped together last second and was not genuine, ready-to-go functions like it was painted to be.

[@SdotMAULER]

Whoever said "naw, make em buy the paint" is a true villain 😭

[@Dumland]

Yeah the monetization in this game is off the charts the bundles being some of the biggest offenders at 30 to 50 a piece. I enjoy the game but wont be spending money on it anytime soon due to the insane pricing they have.

[@bennyweimer2345]

and then rebuy it for every item, and they can only use it if they also buy a skin

[@aegis-vii3071]

I didnt even know you could buy paint... I got alot for free

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

Not defending this game’s hideous monetization model…but Warframe also makes you buy paint. Also Destiny has tons of shaders in the Eververse shop. This isn’t a new phenomenon.

[@SdotMAULER]

@@TheDustyChinchilla true but once I buy it I have it. It's not a consumable

[@adriandj3141]

This game is gonna make millions just on that Bunny skin alone. The bakery is insane.

[@HazenPlays]

Didn't know pancakes were considered bakeries.

[@jonahbrown5669]

​@@HazenPlaysDidn't know bakeries were considered pancakes

[@sup3414]

Touch grass.

[@wilmaso]

Rudeus?

[@Scantronacon]

@@sup3414 guess you forgot about the country wide heat advisory....you first

[@hamilldavid9]

If my wife walks into the room while I’m using that bunny outfit I’m dead lol

[@hotzauhse]

It's not even that wild

[@hpharold23]

This game is very repetitive, the gameplay is boring as heck! Pay to Skip, Pay to advance, Pay to Win! The First Descendant does not respect your time at all! Everything is wrong in today's video gaming in one package!

[@manueljuarez5045]

@@hotzauhse then what is?

[@lordgrub12345]

​@@hpharold23 where TF did this come from ....

[@HANZE_JUST1]

Mom for me 😭

[@SpeediestJarl9]

The game needs to redo it's entire monetization system. It's main competitor, Warframe, has the exact same item as the Energy Activactor, the Orokin Reactor/Catalyst. Both increase the mod(ule) capacity of the character or weapon. The Energy Activator is worth 1200 caliber or around $25USD, a goddamn Orokin Catalyst/Reactor is 20 platinum... or like $1.67USD... technically even free if you just trade in the game (which is incredibly easy). As a F2P game, yes, it can monetize however it wants, but if it truly wants to live and not be a cash grab, then it has to change this and the other prevalent issues that Cross mentions.

[@verdigo1]

Sad part is, and I say this as a huge Warframe stan, it's probably going to make more money than Warframe.

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

Even though the monetization is worse than warframe's its lightyears better than destiny's

[@apexghost1294]

Hell, it’s a free part of the game if you play longer than 30 minutes.

[@nyalan8385]

@@verdigo1initially, I don’t imagine this game lasting nearly as long as warframe has or will continue to honestly

[@aresgodofgaming2309]

Nah you underestimate just how crazy warframe is doing update wise​@verdigo1

[@shoot2laugh]

Its a Nexxon game.... Monetization and sub par customer service are core values

[@deadlyrobot5179]

I have 150 hr of playing it by now, the Monetization is not good, but the customer service is fantastic so far, almost everything that players were upset about were fixed in a couple of days. A new update dropped 2 hours ago that increased the amount of loot and fixed an annoying game mechanic, and I'm positive that they will change the color Monetization as well. The fact that it launched with minimum issues and keeps improving is a good sign.

[@maxime669]

Well it has lot of common point with warframe: -you need to buy custom colors, but once unlock in warframe you can use it unlimited -card in weapons and descendant is same thing as warframe -the module is similar to arcane enhancement of warframe -custom skin can also be purchase in warframe. -like warframe mastery rank is important to progress in gearing and progressing in the game -in warframe there are catalysor that double the point for mods on warframe and weapons. (Didn't check if the same thing exist on descendant) -crafting is the same as warframe:launch the crafting go play. Warframe is like that and same as warframe, weapons need to be leveled. People that want to rush the game or try to pay to rush will wasted there money because this game seem to went you to play first and not rush craft everything. They want you to be in a loop or playing, upgrading your stuff, do harder stuff, increasing mastery, unlocking new descendant to increase mastery. Same as warframe. You must no neglect to increase affinity on all weapons like warframe. Like aztecross said, it has very sexy female descendant and it will do retention and cash flow because of sexy caracter like lost ark. Some people will throw cash at super sexy skin. It's easy cash grabber. So overall this game is not like destiny. If you give a go at warframe you will see ressemblance with first descendant by a lot !

[@obluzzionn]

Bro i have like 20 color palette in warframe and the only one i bought was the saturated classic (idk the name in english) every other colors i won for free from events and stuff and i play warframe since 2017 and i never spent real money and i have a really good drip on my frames only from trading mods and prime stuff

[@vewyscawymonsta]

The paints are definitely not like Warframe. Once you use it on a skin, you have to buy it again for another skin. Used that red on a head skin? Buy another copy of it to use on your armor skin. Typed out all that and was wrong off the jump.

[@LunchBox197]

I love all these people that have never played WF. When I hear them complain about research times it's like, "First time?" Been that way for me in WF since 2014.

[@abysmal7000]

you have not played wf

[@weebthatlifts5750]

the darrell edit was so good it got me questioning my memory

[@EchoDoctrine]

1000% same. That had me paused and I laughed.

[@Muted1696]

Lmao. i was like "yeah! i remember darrell... hol' up?!"

[@Langodan]

You can lower the gun sounds by switching to the "Midnight Mode" sound preset in settings. it drastically lowers the gun sounds while leaving basically everything else intact.

[@helghanmerc2765]

Thanks man

[@bannedmann4469]

Good to know.

[@duckseatbread104]

Not all heros wear capes

[@wiggiemack8850]

Do I gotta pay for that?

[@painhv17]

I literally started playing with midnight mode from the beginning. Noticed that , thought I was tripping.

[@BrettTracy713]

One more thing I can guarantee you that war frame has evolved dramatically since the last time you’ve played it the quality of life over there is excellent

[@brd123gaming9]

Aztecross finds out about the Warframe Paradox.

[@epicexx5114]

Did you guys notice he already had half of the materials for the ultimate bunny lol

[@Guile_The_Exile]

I mean he's rank 11. He's definitely been playing for a good chunk. That's not an easy rank to reach within like a casual 2 hour session lol.

[@mrshutin2088]

Yeah he’s obviously just got those materials whilst playing

[@trashpanda003]

The only thing that's time consuming is getting the last piece of every part. The mats are gained passively.

[@syfodiaz4936]

​@@Guile_The_Exilenot hard if you do the defence mission over and over , I am MR 15 from doing that mission and running main quest.

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

@@Guile_The_Exile It doesn't take long to get mastery rank. I'm rank 10 at only 20 hours played, it's just an xp farm, you don't even have to pass mastery tests like you do in Warframe.

[@themememaster423]

Imagine if Destiny had the same fanservice as The First Descendant. “Yo, we need a Well!” “…” “I said we need a Well!” “Sorry, I was distracted.”

[@saithvenomdrone]

I'm so glad it doesn't.

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

Bungie's to liberal for fanservice instead they cram their gay agenda down our throats

[@ukaryotik]

iliterally got told that in a normal strike and i said you have to be joking right ? only need it in end game and now well is shit so no need for it at all 🤣

[@GM_Neo]

Got replaced by the new $50 super

[@skyuru]

Even in multiplayer HALO game doesnt have such fanservice even we asked, btw sure the monetization its always huge for a free to play game but honestly: after so many woke games and suicide squad, concord etc...i dont mind to spend my cash for this game since i dont buy most of the current "modernized" games lol

[@BasicallyBreezy]

I’ve been maining Bunny thru the betas so you better believe I bought that ultimate skin 😂

[@tombosley3048]

"I can't have that much shaking in front of me" Truer words have never been spoken. Lmao! I Subbed instantly

[@user-wi4we5tx6r]

9:59 Cross is not ready for corrupted Vor speech 😂

[@Frosthowl93]

Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn its simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.

[@plasticchairguy6471]

Look at them, they cum to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Anal Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's Anus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, cum to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Anus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Anus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Anus key. They will learn it's simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Anal Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.

[@CJWII]

​​@@Frosthowl93Good lord lol 🤦

[@danroosh7699]

​@@Frosthowl93😂

[@Avoncarstien]

@@Frosthowl93 😆

[@redbuno]

id say its fun but the monetization options are def too expensive, def agree

[@lordgrub12345]

True, the game isn't p2w like many people are saying but the stuff that you can pay for is way too expensive outside of the battle pass

[@hpharold23]

This game is very repetitive, the gameplay is boring as heck! Pay to Skip, Pay to advance, Pay to Win! The First Descendant does not respect your time at all! Everything is wrong in today's video gaming in one package! CPU Core and GPU at 100% in the main menu! What the heck is going on this game? lol

[@redbuno]

Warframe does the same shiz tbh but maybe it's a little less expensive? Idk exactly. Selling prime frames and bundles and whatnot

[@lordgrub12345]

@@redbuno through the trading system Warframe is overall better, but it's not like it's by a huge margin. It's just because in Warframe if you grind a ton you can buy stuff through plat and trading. The problem is without that trading system the game is nearly unplayable.

[@izanagiorochi6324]

​@lordgrub12345 You, like many others seem to have the misunderstanding that pay to win only refers to player vs player it doesn't. Words mean things. Paying to win refers to paying to win in player vs environment as well. You beat a boss? You won, you beat a boss easily by paying for power? You won the encounter vs the boss and you won out over players who didn't pay, allowing you to get farther than them easier.

[@Pink69420]

Speaking of Grinding, The prestige skin for bunny from tier 1 - 2 literally requires bunny to get 135,000 skill kills and you have to wear both armor pieces because the process only counts, if you have the skin on (helmet and armor have different progress so if you only have helmet on, the progress will only count for the helmet)

[@arkturus425]

its a mix of nearly everything i've witnessed over the last decade thrown into one and for some ass reason i love it

[@vewyscawymonsta]

I also love it for some reason that I can't really say, other than the actual gameplay is good. Let me know when you figure it out.

[@GamerDisturbed]

​@@vewyscawymonsta ass... devs know how gamers mind work, just give them A S S.

[@stalkholm5227]

9:05 The Developer: "How loud is a real life gunshot? Like 150dba, right? We should turn that down to something more reasonable for the game, like 100dba."

[@D201-o4k]

I see nothing wrong with this logic

[@AvenonPlays]

To be fair, the gun sfx for the beta were weak sounding. They sounded like toys. At some point they changed the gun sounds to sound more realistic and have some punch. That was a good change but yeah Aztecross makes a good point that having a separate volume slider for gun sounds would be good for some people.

[@RogueAero]

@@AvenonPlays bro the gun shots were loud af in the beta. It's the main reason I stopped playing in the beta lol I couldn't hear anything other than gunshots

[@SpottedHares]

More like 149dba

[@Regular_boss]

@@RogueAeroi enjoy that though

[@redblue4127]

TL;DW It's a D2 public event simulator + Warframe with somehow worse monetization and all the player friendly aspects removed + poor english voice acting + an absurd amount of *extremely* well done fanservice to compensate for the last three points.

[@jockeelly]

"an absurd amount of extremely well done fanservice" AKA coomer bait

[@SpottedHares]

Worse monetization than Warframe yes but Destiny is a stretch.

[@jjordan3183]

Just downloaded it . Instant delete. Should have watched your review first.

[@CJWII]

​@SpottedHares It's the severity and impact of monetization. Everything in Destiny 2 is cosmetic. You don't have to pay for more vault space and each season even gives you 10 free transmog currency via bounties.

[@redblue4127]

@@SpottedHares Didn't say it was worse than Destiny's. Only monetization in D2 that needs to go is free exotics and season pass leveling once you reach level like 20 or 50.

[@supes0059]

im patient, i dont mind the grind and the wait , im not dropping no money on content i can unlock lol

[@EdgePitSwing]

So far, I am having a blast with the game on a mechanical level. And I love how hard it is to get the next descendent, so it keeps me working toward something.

[@miirico5398]

If they open up a trade market in the future it might save itself from the expensive monetization.

[@basedgod8636]

The second a trade market comes then bots will flood in

[@Kuweiyo]

The devs have said that trading is coming. They said that in a dev blog on KZbin just before launch day

[@NYX-fn3pc]

Btw even fkn tarisland has a trading system u can get all cosmetics there for free for the grind

[@ImJaspy]

@@basedgod8636warframe has trading and it’s perfectly fine

[@dragonriderabens9761]

Everyone here is assuming that you’ll be able to trade the premium currency You won’t

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

While playing the story missions I don't know how many times my eyes glazed over while my mind started drifting off into who knows where.

[@oxsila]

Sit in a circle wait for the bar to fill for 5 minutes rinse and repeat. The game is ass

[@Bloodhurl67]

​@oxsila Not to mention the enemy AI that will spawn in and not do any other tactic than, stand there and shoot, walk slowly towards you, or charge at you. It is so boring it got me to fall asleep

[@beyondsplintered9166]

The crafting is basically warframe but 16 hours for ultimate bunny is certainly better than 3 days for a warframe to be built, though I agree sinking hours into just getting the parts in the first place only to wait even longer just to get the thing you want is a little much but what can you do

[@GamerDisturbed]

Meh. Waiting for the crafting is whatever... What i am not willing is going through a > 24hr, 48hr grind for unlocking something. I will surely quit before i get to unlock anything. But we will see.

[@GamerDisturbed]

100 hr + grinds are not my cup of tea anyways

[@SirSpacey]

Also some modules can only be equipped by an Ultimate Descendant, you cannot just use the normal version, you have to use the Ultimate version if you want to equip certain modules unlike Warframe where you can equip any mods on both normal and prime versions of a Frame.

[@curiousoddity]

I can't believe Aztecross didn't mention Warframe at all at 3:30 when this game is borderline a 1:1 copy of WF

[@scirrhia_kruden]

I don't think he's ever played it.

[@theblackishboy1105]

People don't take warframe seriously idky even tho i have massive issues with the game it's undeniably popular

[@Grumpy1174]

It's literally warframe with all the player friendly elements removed, lol

[@LKZToroh]

This game is only a 1:1 copy of wf on systems like descendant and weapon modules. Almost everything else is more destiny/anthem/outriders/etc than WF.

[@Sandman10032]

Because no one has played warfame

[@turboash78]

Ajax wearing Nezarec's Sin.

[@isolu9386]

And using da titan abilities

[@CalebDavislfcandfcb]

And uses void at that lol.

[@plasticchairguy6471]

Ajax is so real for that

[@Opbee12]

He is the true Guardian, using stuff from all 3 classes

[@mikefive1098]

Why I use him. I knew he would be my descendant when I first saw the open trailer a few years ago

[@redband1000]

Cross I finished campaign last night I really enjoyed & I think it has a lot of longevity just hope they have the content to follow.

[@mikemaniaciii8205]

They seem really committed to this game and keeping up with it and the player base, go watch the dev notes, they had a interactive chat with the players 3 days ago I believe

[@travousbieber3939]

Hahahahahahahaha. You think it has a lot of longevity, but don’t KNOW that that they have content to follow? Okie dokie. 😂

[@MrTrollstash]

I started playing this today, and I honestly love the freedom in the combat. I be swinging around like spiderman and then landing with a powerful shockwave onto different enemies and everything. The grappling hook is fr one of the best things they have in the game. I usually do things solo, so if I ever decide to join other players as well, then I could also support them a bit easier. I can't remember my character's name, but he be the guy, who can create shields, and force fields and is in full armor, with horns in the helmet.

[@travousbieber3939]

It gets old real quick. Especially when all the boss’s “mechanics” are the same. Trust.

[@MrTrollstash]

@@travousbieber3939 Yeah it already did 💪 But it was fun in the beginning tho. It felt like I was playing a Roblox/minecraft server. U play it a bit until I get bored

[@Glyff3083]

The crafting system is like warframe, you get use to it in warframe. A lot of people don't realize that you aren't crafting X and then Waiting for X so you can Use X. Warframe is You use your newly crafted X, while you craft Y, and Farm for Z. Then you use Y while you craft Z and Farm for A and so on and so forth.

[@khrowv]

For players that have focused on one or two things to craft, or don't play a ton and have the materials to craft multiple things they actually want, it's exactly as you first said. Grind, and wait for your reward, then grind using that. People realize how it works, but it's still a massive disrespect of time.

[@otty4000]

i hate that people compare this game to warframe. yes it a lot of ways its like warframe. but warframe system is held together by one of the best free to play trade systems ever. meaning free to play players profit off whales. this game is just pure p2w.

[@khrowv]

@@otty4000 Yeah that's true, though I'd argue it's still a pretty scummy system with paying to skip crafting times. My main problem will always be crafting and the practices there.

[@ericmoore1090]

​@@otty4000 exactly

[@lordgrub12345]

​​@@otty4000 the game is definitely not pay to win. Pay to win would indicate you need to pay to win and there are many people already on late game who haven't spent a dime

[@Matthew-wb5mt]

This is the most ambitious mobile game I’ve ever seen.

[@jeffcarrier9808]

I think that's why I'm enjoying it so much. I'm mainly a mobile gamer. I find the 2-3 minute mission structure brilliant. I replay them with random people for fun.

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

@@jeffcarrier9808 "gamer"

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

Consumerist love this shit too. They think it's a honor to go broke giving their money away for digital shit that they don't own. And then they whine when the game is shut down and they're out thousands of dollars.

[@Holyfield-xy3fb]

Warframe is no diff and it’s on mobile now LOL.

[@chriscale9130]

Honestly, yeah, I have a ton of fun with the boss fights specifically. Also, straight up I bought the evolving skin for bunny because that thing looks cool at max rank.

[@Maximum_Watts]

I was pleasantly suprised with this game during the closed testing. I didn't even realize it already came out!

[@starvinmarvin351]

The fact that cross is watching that booty shake in a gun fight had be laughing for a bit. He's a national treasure 100%

[@A_Fellow_Titan1632]

Dude I feel like Hugh Hefner with all these Bunny's everywhere.

[@noahedenborg4221]

another thing to note on crafting descendants some stuff can only be gotten from certain areas

[@DemocracyOfficerWood]

I like the beefyness of the weapon sounds, something many games suffer from in my eyes is lack of weapons sounding powerful.

[@Copeharder00]

It’s a Korean game, why is anyone surprised?

[@cryxbaby2250]

Because this is the d2 community. As if we haven't got milked for 10 years lol

[@cerebralassassin2185]

​@@cryxbaby2250we really weren't milked for 10 years. Destiny is still way cheaper than most mmos.

[@brockbabcock3086]

@@cerebralassassin2185 destiny is also an extremely watered down version of every mmo

[@mecimessiah]

​​@@cerebralassassin2185Yeah you just paid $10 for the same reskined garbage that they used the same vendor model for 18 seasons straight. Not too mention paying expansion money for something that was supposed to be a season.

[@Sandman10032]

⁠@@cerebralassassin2185there are multiple other free games that don’t require $100+ a year just to play

[@derpy_j]

To put things into perspective : To add more mod capacity to your frame on Warframe, it costs 20 Platinum (the premium currency) OR you can VERY EASILY craft one using a very small amount of resources, though it will set you back 24hours crafting them. HOWEVER, they have a FREE Battle Pass that will also give you FREE currency to also just buy the Reactors/Catalysts, so you can easily stack them up as a new player too. In TFD, to add more mod capacity to your character will set you back $25, or you can spend around 20+ hours (bear in mind it takes almost close to this to craft literally the same item in WF) to find the materials, and then spend a further few hours to craft one. I looked into its Battle Pass, I did not see anything of the sort that would give you any upgrades. Fun game, yes. Does it respect your time? No. It is depending on people to buy. As someone who has played WF for YEARS, I can bear with grindy games if my time is respected. But I can't defend the games monetization. WF's is not perfect, but its not absurd either. Our trading system essentially makes everything BUT cosmetics free. And even then, the cosmetics can be free too because we can trade the PREMIUM currency. I think Nexon stated they will add trading in the future, but I'm skeptical if they allow Caliber to be tradeable. Also, Nexon created MapleStory. The very same company that had a lawsuit against them for LYING about the drop rates in that game. I'm enjoying the game personally, ( though it can be a drag solo ), but I can not justify spending on it.

[@tiltingart9276]

Maplestory was my first MMO back in 2004, and probably my all time favorite game. Nexon developers are truly master minds, they know how to make fun games. But yeah, cash shop alone in this game made me quit, I would've definitely spent on an ultimate bundle but fortunately I'm not a biased idiot. Goes without saying that they always create super high quality cash shop items, almost evil.

[@imposter-San]

What are you doing for the capacity/catalyst increases to take 20+ hours.. ive made multiple and only have 30 hours played. the amount of people that spread misinformation is crazy 😅

[@ShatterIsMyName]

@@imposter-San they take either a real life day or half a day to craft. You dont have to be playing to have things in your foundry craft

[@kevins.3573]

WF also makes their frames almost-entirely useless without a reactor make it almost necessary for every frame to have one. I beat the normal mode without using a reactor in TFD on any Descendent. TFD gives you 50 points to use. I doubt you could beat Warframe with a starter frame without a reactor.

[@ImproperStandby]

​@kevins.3573 I mean you only need health and damage mods to beat the game, the normal star chart is relatively easy with very few mods. TFD is fun to play but it's god awful in monetization.

[@Riku-Leela]

Its important to rememeber that this is the base game. Its unfair to fully compare it with Destiny, especially when this is more like warframe which tbh is more fun imo

[@MechaMan2012]

So, I'm a Warframe veteran. Several hundred hours, went to TennoCon even a few times, etc. May not be the most hardcore fan, but it was my main game for a long time. I would say TFD is more on par with Warframe in it's first couple of years than something like Destiny, Anthem, etc. It's definitely apparent this was made by a dev team from another culture, used to a different market that engages with F2P differently, and does not have a whole lot of experience making a game like this for a global audience. Probably doesn't have a humongous budget, hence why the writing and localization is sub par, it doesn't look too different than default UE5 rendering (which still looks good, not a knock on it), and is more focused in certain areas than others. Here's how I would describe the game: let's say Destiny 2 and Warframe are burger joints that you've been going to for years. You like the food, it's had its ups and downs, but it has been relatively okay. Then a new joint opens up, and you try it out. It's run from someone out of town who wanted to take a stab at running their own burger joint, and you decide to try it. The building looks fresh and new, but the inside and dining area looks a little sparse. The menu has some standard fare and some weird stuff you don't feel like trying. Half of the sandwiches are way too expensive at first glance. You order a standard burger combo and take a seat. The bench is hard and uncomfortable, the table a little rickety. Your food is similar to what you've gotten elsewhere, but it very clearly tastes different and has a couple of hints of something that you can appreciate. It's not the best burger, and overall you like the other joints better, but there's something about this place that makes you want to come back from time to time, if anything to shake things up. That's what I consider to be the First Descendant. I think most people that are already deep in other games aren't going to find this better than those in any way. People suffering from burn out might stick with it for a bit, but maybe not make it their "main game." Some people might try to justify the cost, but most are going to find better value elsewhere. Warframe falls into a lot of the same monetization traps, but at least the costs are a lot more digestible than what Nexon is trying to pull. Nexon will print money for a bit, but the whales aren't going to be as plentiful as they should be to keep a F2P afloat with the across the board prices as they are. If Nexon is unwilling for the game to be some niche game with 3k players in a few months, they need to wake up from their greed, and I understand how unlikely that is to happen. I got board of Warframe and stopped a couple years ago because the treadmill was just too much. However, playing TFD, I'm 50/50 on whether I'm liking the gameplay loop enough to like it solely for the gameplay itself, or if I want to just go back to Warframe, catch up on what I've missed, and stick with that.

[@coreyy_rayy]

10:03 - "And the dialogue that started at the beginning of the mission, would still be going on" Rick Kackis, confirmed as THE First Descendant..!

[@archdrake8899]

nah, as someone who plays warframe, who doesn't have perfect monetization, but certainly solid in comparison to most games, especially this one, the pricing in this game is waaaaay too much. The paints in the beta was craftable, now you have to purchase, where warframe, you purchase pallets and you can use unlimited uses on everything from warframe, weapons, and even companions. The most egregious thing for me is how they do Catalyst/reactors in this game, essentially mod capacity booster. In warframe, it's hard to get, but doable; Either through nightwave for 75 battlepass credit (which battle pass in warframe is 100% free, no premium aspect to it at all), or get a blueprint through sortie or gift of lotus, or 20 platinum. Platinum is 75 for 5 bucks, so that's about 1ish dollars. But the kicker is you can earn that money through the game via other players, so you can honestly get a net positive in warframe if you spend little to nothing. Hell even if you spend money. While FD, it takes 1kish to buy out a mod cap booster for a character, which is basically 20 dollars down the drain, which is fucking insane. Like, back to warframe, prime access or other bundles, you get additional platinum to go with it that around the amound you paid for. Protea prime plat iirc gives like 3k plat, which is a decent cost at 140ish bucks, for protea, her access weapons, accessories (syndana, alt helmet and ephemera), glyph. I wouldn't say it's exactly worth the value, but the fact FD 'ultimates' cost between 50 to 100 bucks and give you barely anything in return of that pay out just shows a great level of greed (Character+ slots+ and a skin) that's it, as I remember, no premium currency as you needed that to even get the thing. The 100 one is the worst because it doesn't even give good stuff, boosters I guess, but warframe prime access gives you near 80 day boosters for buying them, while DF iirc give short lived booster compared to the price spent. What annoys me, is the beta was good, it had everything I had hoped the game would be, but now we just have warframe but greedier and worse grind. Makes D2 eververse seem charitable in comparison.

[@hamsterrwrld6767]

I literally crafted like 6 different paints last night and today. Quit lying lmfaooo. You can grind and craft ANYTHING in the game, the store is there if your lazy. Which it would seem you are and this is NOT the game for you.

[@archdrake8899]

@@hamsterrwrld6767 No, you literally can't craft paints, it costs 25 premium currency. I even did research to double check. Either prove that shit, because I have yet to see a menu for it or anything of the sort. Secondly, you can MOSTLY do everything free with grinding, but it borrowed warframes schtick of having slots, meaning you have limited slots for descendants, weapons, reactors, and external components. Which as far as I've seen CANNOT be acquired free, and must be bought with currency. Not even the battle pass give any. The only thing I've seen that gives any slots is the mastery ranks and it gives a few for some not descendants. So it's not a 'pay if your lazy', that's definitely a required if you want to both get more descendants AND acquire more mastery.

[@derpy_j]

The paints in Beta weren't a one time use either XD

[@derpy_j]

@@hamsterrwrld6767 Why are you lying? You literally have to buy them or get the ones from the Battle Pass lmao And they're also a ONE TIME use.

[@CrimsonTide19375]

@@hamsterrwrld6767wtf bro you really lied about crafting the paint 😂 why would you lie about that? You’re pathetic

[@SavageRush012]

The cheek meat factor might be the only thing that keeps this game from dying.

[@greavesy3998]

The fact that people are going around saying, "that's just the way things are" is the problem with gaming these days. When did we bend over and take this crap as consumers? Don't even start on the buggy game and collision crap that happens that prevent you from moving/dodging. Plus the shit serves lagging out all the time.

[@OpenWrldHeadHunter]

I was having fun with the game, got a character to lvl 40, and finallly decided to go and farm the mats for a new descendant. And thats where it just went downhill for me. One of the missions you need to play says it has a 20% drop chance for the material to get that character. It is NOT 20%, but hey looter shooters and fighting rng aint my first rodeo, so I kept doing it. 40 something fucking runs later, I finally got it. Cool, I'm hyped, I'm excited, I go to craft the motherfucka and it tells me its going to take 16 hours, dude... with "PAY TO ACCELERATE" big as shit on the screen and that was it. I told this story to someone and they're like, "dude its the same in warframe". Like thats going to make me feel like the game just didnt shit all over the 2 hours I spent farming the SAME mission. idk.. this game definitely has some fun elements to it, but it aint for me fuck that shit.

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

I guess you perfer to be told to wait untill next week to get more loot

[@OpenWrldHeadHunter]

@@pissingofaturtule1212 What would make you think that?

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

@@OpenWrldHeadHunter i assumed you play destiny

[@izanagiorochi6324]

People think saying things like "x game does it" or "it's a free to play game" excuses literal evil and disrespectful business practices. The fact that games like Destiny and Warframe got away with it proves that the vast majority of gamers are the problem and will accept anything. It's only going to get worse for the industry as a whole and I honestly can't wait.

[@OpenWrldHeadHunter]

@@pissingofaturtule1212 Yeah, I did, I don’t get your point. Are you also assuming I raid? Because I don’t. Are you also assuming that I maybe play trials for weekly loot rotations or gms because I don’t. And even if I did if I were to get an adept roll from trials though I had to wait for it to be the weapon I wanted, guess what? I wouldn’t have to wait 16 hours to use it lmao

[@pla1n100]

"Now I'm not saying i dont appreciate this" when talking about that Bunny outift is hilarious XD

[@ericwalker6477]

Can’t lie about the beauty of most of the descendants lol

[@MrBlackJaQ]

That paint thing sounds like old Destiny 2 Shaders where you had to buy some shades for bright dust and you can only apply it to one piece of armor

[@Makintoast13]

I splurged and bought Valby and the battle pass. After nearly two hundred hours in the betas, was glad to see she's still op

[@EchoDoctrine]

Props to the editor, when “Darrel” popped up I was legit confused, like wait that really was his name…man… wait really. Diluc. Man Genshin was awhile back.

[@HadesConstantineNightingale]

Another monetization aspect people haven't figured out yet, is that you cannot delete extra items from your consumables bag. Eventually it will fill up and you will be forced to expand your bag.

[@jacobrandall9331]

I could see this doing something similar to Destiny year 1 2014, in the sense that the foundation is there, what really matters is the first expansion. If the first expansion adds something akin to a raid, another dungeon or 2, vastly improved mission design, solid descendants and ultimate weapons... it could end up pretty good. Just depends on how they support the game. They also need to chill on the monetization a little bit.

[@Tropicalplayer]

I was eating than the sniper popped "OFF!!!!!" almost spit my food out lol

[@jl3992]

I appreciate Stellar Blade’s free outfits more after seeing this

[@T8-TR]

Stellar Blade's got that ShiftUp gacha money. I wish more gacha devs would make one time purchase AAA titles.

[@vewyscawymonsta]

​@@T8-TR Your wish is being granted. Gacha devs are branching out into console quite a bit recently. Mecha BREAK is another example. Actually excited for that one.

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

My only real issue with pricing is that you can't ever buy just the amount you need. They never let you buy exactly 5000 or whatever you need. They force you to buy a pack that gives you currency thats either always a little too short than what you want or you're left with extra that then makes you feel like it's a waste if you let it sit in your account. Besides that the grind part is fine, that's the entire Warframe grind. Grind hours for mats then wait I think 12 hours for each part to finish then you use those parts to finally make the frame which takes 3 days. Or expedite the time by paying platinum (premium currency) or buying the frame outright. The difference being that in Warframe you can also trade plat with other players allowing you to earn it in-game by trading and never spend a dime.

[@BrianMiddleton-bi3yc]

No game does

[@LordAnorak]

@@BrianMiddleton-bi3yc FFXIV would love a word with you.

[@Lord_Chibi]

@@LordAnorak or fortnite with their battlepasses and stuff, yeah they don't have an option with 1500 currency but that's why they have a starter pack and the fact the bp gives a ton of currency anyways...

[@gargathulothhastur4981]

Bungie laughs at your points in uneven silver sales.

[@Xariann]

I have been jumped on a couple of days ago when I pointed out that just because a game it F2P, it doesn't mean it's less predatory than those where the first purchase is mandatory. If anything the F2P tag is more manipulative.

[@mikemaniaciii8205]

To say its heavy in monetization is slightly inaccurate since literally anything you can buy aside from the cosmetics you can earn through grinding, so yeah its heavily monetized if you're lazy and dont want to put in work!

[@GinjaLeviathan]

To put things into context, nexon are responsible for maple story and all of it's controversy. The first descendent is taking the warframe route where it's pay to progress faster, however I do agree the paint system is a little silly. As far as raid level content goes, the harder bosses have raid-like mechanics but I would like to see some raid-esque dungeons later in it's lifetime

[@caullifa4066]

I would say if you like PVE in looter shooters, the vibe is definitely here. But if you prefer PVP then D2 or any other shooter is for you. Don’t really like PVP in these types of games so it’s cool I can load into a patrol privately and grind to my heart’s content. I miss that in looter games. They just need to focus on stability, but it’s UE5 no one has truly mastered that engine yet it’s still new

[@jekkin8972]

Thanks you basically just made my decision. Imma stick to trials lol

[@harperion2492]

I've gotten tired of hitting the brick wall of progression as a solo player in Destiny. I've played Destiny since the Alpha. I used to love the feeling of progressing in power and level, which you could hit almost max outside of what is needed for Raids. Literally everything but Raids, the solo player could earn power and beat. I could have fun with the game. Now, you can't even do exotic missions without a MANDATORY group and the grind to get high power for activities outside of the Raid that are MATCHMADE, is ridiculous. It isn't fun when I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere unless I no life the game. I've really enjoyed playing The First Descendant. Yes, it is filled with predatory monetization. So is Destiny to an extent. Did everyone forget about the worst transmog ever added to a game? NOTHING has changed about that. A 'skin' in Destiny from Eververse is $15-$20 PER CHARACTER. The ridiculous pricing and confusing purchasing model of the expansions and seasons and dungeon keys.... Destiny is NO angel when it comes to monetization. Aztec has made a video of this more than explaining how bad it is. That said, yes TFD has so much grind if you don't fork up money. The pay to paint each armer piece PER character skin, etc. I agree it is ridiculous. The difference to me right now is the gameplay is fun, I have 14 descendants to unlock and learn to play. 14 descendants to rank up, make builds for, and reset ranks to make them even more powerful. What I'm trying to say is that I FEEL the building of my power and leveling, all as a solo. I feel like I'm going somewhere with the characters as I play them and level them up over and over and improve their builds. It is a grind, but I don't feel like I'm standing in place after hours of grinding, unlike in Destiny. Destiny really needs to rework the gaining of power and such. Especially now that they force a power cap on you to force difficulty in a lot of the game now with TFS release. What is the point of power fantasy if everything is power capped? Destiny just feels like a game built for streamers and content creators now.

[@steffens260]

This is how i explained the campaign to a friend (we play destiny). Imagine you’re loaded into the Trostland where Devrim is. And he tells you to do 3 public events followed by a lost sector. You then go to the next area, Outskirts, and repeat that process, and repeat it for every area in the EDZ until you get to do a strike. THEN you move onto Nessus and do the same. Colossus fights break it up but feel like they are level checking you… assuming some max level isn’t nuking the boss.

[@donloder1]

i thought i'd appreciate high lv players steamrolling my collosus run. but nah, that just made me becoming clueless of my own build/progress' shortcomings. cuz of that I am now at mr 15 lv 64 fresh outta pyro. while mugs be running around at mr 10 with lv 100 gears.

[@siratheon]

as a warframe veteran I can only say that it is fun. yes it is repetitive just like warframe so I have no problem with it. The crafting, I even find it better than in warframe because the wait time is much much shorter in TFD then in Warframe. I hope it only gets better because I think it's really good so far.

[@derpy_j]

Its shorter craft times because it takes double the time to get the item you need to drop. Especially if from a relic. Cause you have to get lucky to get the relic drop, then you have to get lucky again that when you open it, it drops what you need, and some drops are as low as 0.01%

[@siratheon]

@@derpy_j I haven't farmed anything from the relic yet but otherwise I have already upgraded 1 ultimate weapon to the maximum and another is currently being built to be +4 In Warframe there used to be a few things that were soo rare like Sentinent mods or broken war/war from stalker

[@igotubied]

@@siratheon same with the warframe grind since playing this im like nice another warframe banger baby everyone else is bitching im in heaven with the system

[@siratheon]

@@igotubied same dude 😅

[@rayne217]

@@derpy_j I want you to farm stalker for a broken war/hate/despair and tell me how you feel after. It's a chance after you complete an assassination mission, on top of a chance of rolling a drop to occur, on top of a chance of the drop to be what you want. I've seen people who are LR2 who have never gotten the hate or despair, and if you don't know how long it takes to get to LR2, just assume they have a few thousand hours in the game

[@trustypatches669]

It sounds straight up like Warframe if it really is the way he's describing it. The way ultimate descendants work is pretty much exactly like prime frames in Warframe.

[@Hagosha]

Yeah it is The devs said before they took inspiration from warframe progression

[@ginosko_]

Warframe isn’t that crazy with pay to play compared to this

[@fara-sara]

Nah you pay like 10% of the prices and there's a trading chat meaning that even though you never spent money on the game you can still earn the premium currency by just selling weapons in warframes you can't in this game also the bundles don't give you anything extra ?

[@thorinhannahs4614]

A difference I noticed which could be good OR bad is that some skill modules are ultimate only. Ajax will only get a portable barrier if it is ultimate Ajax.

[@oxsila]

It's warframe except it's way more social. Sure Warframe has social hubs, but lets face it, no one ever interacts with each other unless it's trading.

[@gotwafflesbish6909]

They saw Warframe's monetization and said we can do better. 😅 The sheer amount of grinding for everything goes beyond warframe. The game itself may not tell you buy stuff but the grind it takes to get just one piece of the character you want makes you want to just buy the person you want. It's a grind that just feels heavy.

[@TRAP_SQUAD]

Makes u appreciate destiny that much more I grinned for material to unlock a new descendant and didn't get 1 thing I needed

[@OutragedBlaze]

Yall have NO IDEA how many 50/50's I lost because of DARRELL. Damn you Darrell, damn you all to hell....

[@Dream146]

the microtransactions are egregious but the division gunplay with destiny powers and warframe progression is a pretty fun mix of gameplay.

[@CJWII]

Warframe progression is dogsht.

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

I’m having fun with the game, it won’t be my new “main” game but it’s something different that I’ll play during Destiny downtime. The monetization is definitely outrageous but I haven’t felt the need to spend any money, it’s all just lewd skins for coomers and pay-to-not-play grind skipping mechanics, which I can ignore easily. Overall it’s a decently fun game and I’m looking forward to see how they improve it going forward. Edit: also it’s crazy how people are already knocking the game for “no content” and “boring missions”, bruh do you remember how bad D1 vanilla was? What about 2014 Warframe? These games took a literal DECADE to get to the point they’re at. Just let this game cook for awhile, it already has a pretty solid base.

[@AFencehopp3r]

In this video, Aztecross discovers Nexon being Nexon.

[@Guile_The_Exile]

While there is monetization for days, I'm just glad you can just play it and gather what you need for what you want. There's no money gated content. It's a free game. Anything you buy does nothing but support the game for more stuff. Hopefully we'll see more content if enough people buy stuff and they don't just add more cosmetics only.

[@lapisgaming6093]

We already know a new descendant is out next month.

[@derpy_j]

Try saying that again when you've ran the same mission 20 times because the drop rate for what you want is standing at 0.001%. Free game, yes. Respect your time, it does not.

[@minhnguyen-fs2iv]

YOU FORGET THIS IS A NEXON GAME ??? really check the last lawsuit they got then check again what this game is about then think about it for a moment this is just a beginning of milking

[@oxsila]

@@derpy_j Since when did any of these grind games ever respect your time? You should know what you're signing up for. Either you enjoy the grind or you don't

[@rla9889]

@@derpy_j These types of games are about the grind, you're into it or you are not.

[@javedshamim2924]

Warframe has the best f2p model

[@TheGam3Br3akeR]

Played warframe for about 20 mins and deleted it. Movement is fantastic but game play is just ass

[@trinitypunk7102]

​@@TheGam3Br3akeRSkill issue

[@ravekiller.]

@@TheGam3Br3akeRGrind it out, it gets better

[@Qwlett]

@@TheGam3Br3akeR ok. if the gameplay isn't for you that's fine but that doesn't relate to the comment at all

[@HowlingNinjaWolfGaming]

The First Descendant, developed by Nexon, is designed to be a large-scale, action-packed looter-shooter. Here’s a more technical breakdown of the issues and the game's scale: ### Technical Issues 1. **Bugs and Glitches** - **Crash Reports**: Frequent crashes disrupt gameplay. - **Graphical Artifacts**: Visual errors like texture pop-in and clipping issues. - **AI Pathfinding**: Enemies or NPCs getting stuck or behaving erratically. - **Mission Triggers**: Objectives not registering, causing missions to be unfinishable. 2. **Poor Optimization** - **Frame Rate Drops**: Significant drops in FPS, especially during intense battles. - **Long Load Times**: Extended periods to load into different areas or missions. - **Hardware Utilization**: Inefficient use of CPU and GPU resources, leading to overheating or excessive power consumption. 3. **Pay-to-Win Mechanics** - **Exclusive Gear**: High-tier weapons or armor only available through microtransactions. - **Progression Boosters**: Items that accelerate leveling or resource gathering for paying players. - **Gacha Systems**: Randomized loot boxes that encourage spending for better chances at rare items. 4. **Repetitive Gameplay** - **Mission Design**: Lack of variety in objectives, often boiling down to fetch quests or wave defense. - **Enemy Variety**: Limited types of enemies, leading to predictable combat encounters. - **Endgame Content**: Insufficient activities for high-level players, causing them to grind the same content repeatedly. 5. **Lack of Content** - **Limited Maps**: Few distinct locations, leading to reused environments. - **Short Campaign**: A main storyline that can be completed quickly, with few side quests or expansions. - **Event Frequency**: Infrequent updates or special events to keep players engaged. 6. **Unbalanced Gameplay** - **Overpowered Items**: Certain weapons or abilities dominate, reducing the viability of diverse playstyles. - **Skill Trees**: Poorly balanced skill trees that make certain builds much stronger. - **PvP Imbalance**: Player versus player combat that heavily favors certain classes or equipment. 7. **Server Issues** - **Latency**: High ping causing delayed actions and rubberbanding. - **Disconnects**: Frequent server disconnects during gameplay. - **Maintenance**: Extended or unplanned maintenance windows. 8. **Poor Customer Support** - **Response Time**: Slow responses to player inquiries or bug reports. - **Resolution Quality**: Inadequate solutions provided for reported issues. - **Support Channels**: Limited ways to contact support, such as lack of live chat. 9. **Mediocre Graphics** - **Texture Quality**: Low-resolution textures or inconsistent visual fidelity. - **Lighting**: Poor lighting effects that don't enhance the game's atmosphere. - **Animations**: Stiff or unpolished character animations. 10. **Unoriginal Story** - **Plot Clichés**: Overused story tropes and predictable plot twists. - **Character Development**: Shallow characters with minimal backstory or development. - **World Building**: Lack of depth in the game’s universe, with few unique elements. ### Game Scale The First Descendant aims to offer a vast in-game world with diverse environments and expansive maps. Some key aspects include: - **Map Size**: The game features large, open-world maps with various biomes, including urban ruins, forests, and deserts. - **Player Count**: Supports both solo and co-op gameplay with up to four players per squad. - **Content Variety**: Includes PvE missions, world bosses, and events, though some players feel the content is limited or repetitive. - **Level Design**: Incorporates verticality and exploration, with hidden areas and secrets to discover. Despite its ambition, the game's scale may feel constrained by the aforementioned issues, impacting the overall player experience.

[@Tonedriver]

As a guy who wants to play male characters, I don’t even care about bunny or really any of the female characters. When I can mainly use an smg and hand cannon for movement speed, and an unrestricted grapple tool through the Mid-Air Maneuvering module, I don’t need Bunny.

[@Zurrke]

Better than other so-called 'destiny killers', but not as good as warframe or destiny. It's very fun, it will remain installed on my drive. A bit grindy but not egregious. Monetization is egregious but seems to mostly be cosmetic/time save

[@hamsterrwrld6767]

Its def better than Warframe, but thats just imo, I never could get into Warframe. I tried a few times and its just not it lol. I've been loving TFD tho.

[@raekwonchambers2297]

@@hamsterrwrld6767yea imo I like it a bit better than warframe but warframe is better imo at least cuz they have a lot of systems they made had time to polish old ones and the amount of warframes in the game as well but as a starting point TFD is already on track to be better. If they don’t mess it up

[@loerunup3189]

@@hamsterrwrld6767yeah that’s a personal opinion and you know what they say about those 😂

[@loerunup3189]

It’s like an asshole EVERYONE’S GOT THOSE😂😂😢

[@moreorb2753]

@@hamsterrwrld6767there is NO way you think this game is better than warframe. i quit right after the descendant i waited 12 hours to craft ended up being absolute trash

[@colbe7292]

I think one reason people aren't as mad about the pricing is because it's very similar, basically identical, to how warframe does things. So people coming from there are just use to the price/grind.

[@krisma3526]

The difference being that warframe has an excellent player trading system. If this game implemented the same system i think it would stop all the complaints

[@Hagosha]

The orokin catalyst equivalent is like $25. Some of the stuff is severely overpriced, but yeah, it's the same idea behind the monetization, so only the prices bug me

[@raekwonchambers2297]

@@krisma3526they are adding a trading system n w the prices the items are I’d say farmers are gonna be really rich. Gonna be so much demand cuz of how expensive everything is so basically making u interact with the market or the community in some way.

[@twilightgaming5023]

Not just that tbh, it's more the value proposition things like forma and reactors are ridiculously expensive in TFD, TFD skins are on average .5-2x more expensive then deluxe skins (with less items as well) and don't get me started on the net loss that's Prime Access vs Ult Access The 60 Prime vs Ult bundle is: Prime Access (in TDF terminology) 1 Ult character (2x Mod slot Preinstalled) 2 Ultimate Weapons (2x mod slot pre installed) just short of 3000 premium currency vs TFD's Ultimate Access for 60$ which nets you 1 ultimate Character A skin It's a fucking joke how overpriced even the basic TFD bundle is. "Skipping the grind" bullshit and people know it. When the competition has easier, faster, and more relaxed grind, and TFD is offering a blatantly WORSE deal, that defense doesn't hold up. The basic 60$ bundle needs to have more value thrown into it. Stuff that's worth it. At least 1 ULT weapon and something else. The 100$ bundle should include more stuff as well as the new version of the 60$ bundle. Compared to WF's value proposition, ULT descendants are a blatant loss leader. trading won't change that. Sure we might earn free currency, but who knows if they'll add a distinction between free and bought premium (which already exists as a classification). What if they add a trade tax to vapor ware a % of your premium currency like Star Conflict does? With the current market pricing, the upper echelon of whales and no life grinders will control the basic market prices and set the supply/demand, unless nexon sets a min/max, which also means nexon dictates the player income and could make trading an absolute grind fest. No matter how you paint it, Nexon's greed and desire to triple dip the players wallet, while selling less value, concerns me greatly. Unless they change the entire store, I really don't see them trying to be "fair" to the player, as sad as that makes me. from a marketing perspective (something I dipped into in college) it makes very little sense, unless they're trying to go for a reverse psychology sales "We're sorry here's 25-50% off all our bad prior pricing please buy our shit" strat

[@kittyneko5521]

As someone who plays warframe that's just wrong 1.out of the gate you have a small choice of colors to use and they can be put of defeat skins 2.they give a small ammout of the in game currcay for you to use to either make your life abit easier or to throw away at cosmetics (that was me) 3.when you buy colors in warframe you get alot of them AND you don't need to rebuy them

[@chrome289]

Going to give this game a try. Tbh the only descendant that particularly interests me atm is Ajax. I like his design and playstyle. Thank god hes a starter. Honestly not sure about the rest atm.

[@RumbleRundown]

Honestly, the game is really cool! I recently downloaded this, and also tried destiny for the first time, I’d have to say I really enjoy destiny. If I had to choose a game to grind on, I would have to go with destiny after trying both!

[@Koby102]

Imma be honest the ultimate descendant packages are pretty similar to the prime packages for warframe. While I think it is easier to get the prime frames through grinding and the market, in my opinion that aspect doesn’t kill the game for me. I do agree that the paint system needs to change, it should not be you buy a color and it’s a one time use.

[@lenajohnson6179]

it's sorta in the middle? It's not as bad as some. when you buy a paint for an item that item can use that color in any of its slot, whenever you want forever... you only have to buy the dye you want ONCE for the outfit.......... it's a sorry state of the gaming industry that t his qualifies as 'middle of the pack' and not 'bottom of the barrel. It's not so bad that you wanna dye your outfit white, buy dye... then watch a slot machine asign you red instead............ but it's got nothing on Warframe's color palette system either.

[@derpy_j]

Difference being you can trade in WF, essentially making their Primes free if you have the plat to give someone, which you can get via trading stuff others need.

[@bp4861]

How are we forgetting that destiny was the same way until like a year and a half before the last dlc

[@MagikarpMan]

No it's not, in Warframe prime access comes with a massive amount of premium currency. In this game it costs premium currency

[@Koby102]

@@MagikarpMan you’re right I forgot about the platinum you get. In that case yeah the prime access is better value.

[@SHAOBONK]

Hopefully the devs listen about the colors. Remember D2 had single use shaders on launch. Hopefully they really take feedback into mind. - make colors unlimited use - let me color change default skins - add obtainable skins for F2P players in challenging content (if they haven’t already idk yet) - add a collections tab to reacquire ultimate weapons obtained (yes, like Destiny) and make a craftable item to enhance unique effects instead of grinding for a weapon 4-5 separate times. - add a system that automatically breaks down weapons picked up based on set parameters like the junk function, to cut down on constant inventory management These are some changes that would vastly improve the health of the game

[@Bloodhurl67]

It's Nexon dude, they are more greedy than Bungie to listen

[@SHAOBONK]

@@Bloodhurl67 they’ve changed some things based on player feedback. Really, if we get anything, I’d just want the color changes and the auto dismantle features. Free skins would be nice. But I know that would be a stretch.

[@pearson674]

the paint system is still cooked (it was a lot box before 💀) but everything else is fine to me. if they make the premium currency tradeable, all micro transactions involving them are basically excused completely

[@Sillysaurus1]

I will say as someone who just doesn't even consider buying items in games at all, getting new descendants and new weapons feels better in this game than it does in Warframe. I don't really think it'll be competing with Warframe anytime soon, and certainly won't be getting to Destiny levels, but from a purely f2p perspective, it don't feel that bad

[@insomniaddictesp]

You make a good key point, a lot of these games are like, someday we will make a raid. And then it's two years later, and no one cared a WEEK later. They follow the Destiny model, except for the fact that they don't drop a raid in the first week. Destiny showed it's potential right away.

[@EvanGarrido]

How's that 100 bucks you spit out for a 1 hour campaign and a raid feel just curious?

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

Its not destiny though not every game needs a raid activity it has a gameplay loop that destiny doesnt have

[@Lord_Chibi]

@@EvanGarrido if someone spent the money on some insane $100 premium edition it's their own fault lol

[@user-fl4fc2gb1p]

@@EvanGarrido Wich dlc costs 100$? Wich campaign was 1 hour on release? Wich dlc only gave a raid and a campaign? You clearly know nothing about D2, aparently

[@okami1272]

@@EvanGarrido Better than buying any FIFA, AC or CoD game. They basically re release the same scam every year and people fall for it. The DLC is not 100 bucks. If you have issues throwing that amount of money away you either have poor financial management skills, or need to find a better job/your country’s coin has really poor value. People have spent 500$ for a League skin, if someone wants to spend 100 to play a game for a whole year with the inclusion of every extra content, the let them be, It’s like an MMORPG sub. And a cheap one at that.

[@itsagido7729]

Wait, so if i don't spend any money on this game, my character will look default the entire time unless I grind mats for the research?

[@Scripzure]

yes.

[@itsagido7729]

@@Scripzure damn that's ass

[@azzy9293]

Yea it's not a looter shooter, it's a shooter with in game purchases

[@Tim-is-short]

If you like this game _at all_ , play Warframe. I jump back and forth from Destiny to Warframe, and it blows my mind how much content Warframe has. The shooting mechanics of Destiny are far better, but Warframe has amazing parkour, melee and ability gameplay. You really feel like you have the freedom to pick your playstyle. Character and weapon builds, fashion and loadouts, all customizable. Just be aware that it is a grind, this game eats up your time, but the gameplay is fast and furious when you have a good squad. I love to solo and stealth the missions myself and this has that as well. It really has a lot going on.

[@RumbleRundown]

Honestly, the game is really cool! I recently downloaded this, and also tried destiny for the first time, I’d have to say I really enjoy destiny. If I had to choose a game to grind on, I would have to go with destiny after trying both! I know people hate on destiny, but as a brand new player that simply did a little research before playing, it’s not that difficult for me to pick up! The first descendant just kinda threw me off with the lack of customization. It has lots of characters and armor, but it could have MORE. Ability customization, more/cheaper armors, etc.

[@BlackVulcan22]

The data being farmed in this game is CRAZY

[@GutsTheCaptain]

😂😂😂

[@ElementoftheGods3094]

I started with AJAX, after about 6 levels, I bought FREYNA love her spreading the toxic venom, I'm using the Thunder Cage sub-machine gun I can't die now

[@swirlyboi8484]

The problem I see with a game like Descendant is the fact that the drop rate for other Descendants are already atrocious, and the missions ot obtain some of them are actually NIGH impossible in my opinion. I've been grinding for Enzo for the past few days and that defense mission is absolutely nuts and none of the pugs really try to push past Wave 7. It's a nightmare, especially with all of the special sub bosses/monsters that spawn in. You can only run around has bunny for so long or shoot at them until you're just overwhelmed by mobs that are just insanely hard to Solo. Your team is already having a hard enough time getting attacked from 5-6 different angles by Wave 7 that most just quit. Thus, it really does push me towards wanting to buy Enzo outright, but I refuse to do so because it's a droppable ingame item... Save for the fact the Enzo drop is like 30% to 40% drop chance at wave 10, meaning that if I don't get it the first time, I have to come back and suffer. Again. It's like fighting hanged man with people who don't know the boss mechanics. It makes me die inside.

[@DaqiGDH]

Yea same I thought about grinding for Enzo just to make Code Analyzers easier so I can then eventually get Catalyzers but as soon as I saw the Enzo requirements I was like nah thats not it. Tried grinding for Freyna then as I already had some components but I can only take so much shield charge escort missions with fake 20% drop rates so I took a break from that aswell. Really wish there would be at least two to three options to obtain rare items.

[@mikemaniaciii8205]

My biggest complaint honestly is bunny doesnt stfu, and when you're grouped with three of them its obnoxious how vocal she is...

[@yomomma8381]

You could hear the disappointment as soon as the video started 😂

[@noahellis5661]

At least your able to play the game, only got in for 15 min then crashed. Haven't gotten in since lol.

[@hotzauhse]

Mine crashed twice so went back to D2

[@y0shii154]

Skill issue

[@tiltingart9276]

If you're running an intel cpu 13th or 14th gen, you just have to lower frequency to 56x and undervolt it with XTU. I just needed to do that for compiling shaders. After that I can keep it overclocked, although I stayed undervolted at 57X 14900K

[@okami1272]

You ain’t missing much tbh. The game gets really boring just after 4/5 hours

[@beefcakemonsta]

Seems accurate on the ultimate. Took me roughly 3 days with 10hrs of play time per day and 24 hrs to research em to get my Ultimate Ajax. Agree on the paint scheme, that's down right criminal tbh. a dollar per armor piece lol.

[@zerulaw9118]

for those who didn’t know how f up paying in this game is and I’m gonna explain it with WF terms - this game don’t have Orokin reactor&catalyst and forma for sale - game mode/relic cracking/farming LOCKED behind Warframe ELEMENT so you need all warframe of each element ie.5 to play all modes and farm for prime in the game (weapon element didn’t count) - if I’m not wrong relic crack can drop money not prime part and you can imagine how frustrating that would be.

[@stinkycheese4777]

lol yall remember how goated anthem was n ahead of its time… ofc it was owned by ea,

[@Kuweiyo]

Ultimate Bunny is $55. The cheapest package was to the left at 3000 coins, not 5000. Still expensive as fuck, but just pointing that out

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

Ultimate bunny is free dawg just play the game

[@redblue4127]

@@pissingofaturtule1212 Yeah dawg just play the game for 3 months and hope she's still in rotation when you finally earn said resources in 3 months dawg

[@Clarity_Control]

​@@pissingofaturtule1212 I bet you defended Battlefront 2's monetisation as well.

[@pissingofaturtule1212]

@@Clarity_Control i guess since you dont get the item istantly as you log in the game is shit huh. And i dont remember how bad battlefront 2 micro transactions were because 1 it wasnt f2p and 2 they were terrible

[@justsomedude1593]

The issue is the actually good looking ultimate skin is pay only, if you go for the free one you're trapped wearing a slutty outfit, and believe it or not, not everyone is a coomer and is ok with that

[@stumcneal4125]

Spent the whole video listening to a description of Warframe, which is actually a great game once you figure out how to play it successfully. Here's hoping they add P2P trading and dial in the monetization to be as clean as Warframe's. You ought to be able to earn everything that is not cosmetic and I completely agree that the paints should be applicable across the gear.

[@Matt-mv5tt]

Oh the paint system is the bane of my existence. Not only is there a terrible "variety" of colors (half the colors are just different whites and greys and even the blacks are just blues or greys) but the fact that they're consumable and not unlockable is just egregious. It's to the point that I'm gonna question buying any cosmetics unless they have the exact colors I want