My Honest Thoughts On Project Cars 3

[@Jimmy_Broadbent]

I forgot the outro cuz I'm a tit. Soz.

[@ByteGuy]

Nah don't worry about it mate. Video is amazing, spot on :D

[@MikeOnTrack]

Mic drop would have been good enough.

[@jeroenbrink4710]

No intro aswell

[@zJericho101z]

Squuueezzze "Your Forgiven"

[@dtrracing5233]

F

[@TheJensenisawesome]

“A game that didn’t really know what mark it was gonna hit, and missed it anyway”

[@mdo]

Seems like the only mark it tried to hit was customization, and it missed by a mile.

[@lerouxartus]

I havent even known about this games development until yesterday:/

[@raoulb69]

@@lerouxartus Looks like the developers didn't even know about this games development until yesterday!

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

@@raoulb69 lmao

[@dylanzrim1011]

All they did was delete the glitched functions from pc2 they couldn’t fix and called it PC3

[@ashleygillespie-horne6429]

"Project Cars 3, a game that didn't know what market it wanted to hit and missed it anyway." That's amazingly well-put. My sentiments exactly.

[@Moshizzle90]

Fucking lol'd so hard at that.

[@SL1744]

This what happens when codemasters buy slightly mad studios

[@charlizesampson2650]

@@SL1744 Codemasters literally had nothing to do with the development of this. They only acquired the company a few months ago

[@Deankenny21]

Jimmy reminds me of Clarkson, can just come out with the most random but makes most sense comments.

[@jammaschan]

I would say it didnt know what market it wanted to hit but actually found a new market. I find it quite enjoyable at least from what I've seen. If it wasnt named project cars 3 Im sure the reaction would be much better.

[@Moonshine1147]

SMS Dev: "This is supposed to be a successor to Shift 2..." Then, why call it Project CARS 3?

[@khayrenhutcherson]

Exactly

[@yaboibenson0159]

I honestly think shift 2 still looks better in terms of speed. Going fast in shift 2 was crazy

[@MrBurgerphone1014]

Just played Shift 2 and Project Cars 3 is somehow worse. Like they could've literally remastered Shift 2 and it would blow this out of the park.

[@Moonshine1147]

@@yaboibenson0159 Jimmy said it best: "...mobile game..."

[@Moonshine1147]

@@MrBurgerphone1014 I agree. Shift 2 Remake / Remaster, would have been much better. Or at the very least, they could have called it Shift 3. But no, they had to call it Project CARS 3, in order to cash in and make a quick buck. Terrible. Maybe it is connected to Codemasters acquiring SMS? Maybe this deal was done behind closed doors much earlier? Maybe that influenced how Project CARS 3 turned out to be? From what i have read, SMS are now working full time on a "Fast & Furious" game, rather than pursuing their quest of creating a simulator. Seems as if SMS forgot what the "CARS" ("Community Assisted Racing Simulator") in Project CARS was meant to be. I already knew that Codemasters buying out SMS was going to be bad, but this is worse than i could have imagined.

[@kj0206]

its evolving, just backwards...

[@1320crusier]

devolving..lol

[@tylervardy3917]

Someone hit b while evolving 😂

[@duncan1821]

lmao you stole that comment from the project cars 3 trailer

[@euancarson1292]

Duncan 1 I was gonna say that lol

[@Al_Tru]

Kind of like humanity at this point

[@ThunderTHR]

I feel the big issue with this game is the name given to it; Project CARS 3. In a way I understand why they deviated away from being a full-on sim racer. Neither of the first two games really hit the mark with it, and (this is an honest, controversial take) I find that the sim market in general has become too over saturated, too many racers trying to go for the full-on realism. I can appreciate a racing game trying to go for realism, but there are some days I just want to sit back and relax, so the more "simcade" approach here with PCars3 I personally welcome. But naming it as such was always going to work against SMS, and the way they had presented this game to the public also really didn't help them with any favours. Its a game that was always going to alienate the audience they had before it, and its likely something that's going to haunt the series going forward, should they decide they want to make another PCars after this.

[@theddrman]

It's kinda like the original issues that Forza Horizon faced. While Forza Motorsport wasn't exactly an accurate sim racer, they at least tried a bit, and it hit home with those of us console plebs looking for a slightly more realistic racing game. When Horizon first came out, a lot of us were like WTF is this mess? It handled differently, had tons of unique bugs, and was just generally _silly_ when compared to the Forza Motorsport series. They eventually got over that hump and established a cadence of "serious" and "silly" racers in alternating years to some success, but it was rough at first. Granted, I know that no version of Forza is truly a simulator, and I make no representation that it is. Just that it was a more serious take on that concept than Horizon was ever intended to be, and the choice to use the Forza name certainly sent mixed signals.

[@RacingStripesTV]

I think that if they had named it differently it would be received a little bit better. If they were to name it like Project RACER or something like that, then it would automatically tell the fan base that they are taking a different direction. That's how I see it personally

[@ThunderTHR]

@@RacingStripesTV I think calling it Project SHIFT would've been the best choice. It would've told fans exactly what to expect prior to the game's release.

[@JustDevon]

So my thoughts are that they wanted to use the already established name of Project CARS rather than try to build up a new IP, too much like hard work. Who were they aiming it at? I feel like they spotted that there is a desperate need for a pick up and play track racer, but they didn’t exactly know how they we going to fill that gap. It’s almost like there wasn’t a lot of market research done and it was all a bit of an “I reckon” when deciding on how to do it. The baffling thing is how they still tried to insist it was a sim, when it plainly wasn’t, kinda like how they said PC2 would be great on controller when it wasn’t. I’m getting the feeling SM isn’t exactly trustworthy, and the fact that it obviously wasn’t going to be a sim, with them insisting otherwise shows they were trying to target sim racers and casual players, but the effort to do so made them miss on both targets

[@Beanssimracing]

@@ThunderTHR I agree with you i guess project cars just has this image in peoples head that screams "realistic" and its quite hard for them to release a new game to the sim market. What u mentioned reminds me of what nfs did with NFS shift and looking at that game when it released just gave me the impression of something different and not a new pro street or underground

[@oliveralexsmith]

The Project Cars series is basically the Benjamin Button of racing sims.

[@gca-automotive]

Top comment

[@wayneshephard]

Well said, I was going to comment, saw this and thought no need, nailed it👍

[@turbulenttimes3749]

Neraly pissed myself for this spot on! Cudos to you, Sir

[@floppa933]

What is Benjamin Button I’m not British

[@coolguy10060]

@@floppa933 its a movie. Its about this dude who is born like a dwarf 100 year old and as he gets older het gets younger. So yeah backwards

[@JCTiggs1]

"It's a $60 EURO mobile game, a game that didn't know what market it was going to hit and missed it anyway." - Jimmy Broadbent

[@chilldude30]

*$60 Euro*

[@MrAyybee2cold]

Sir.Smoke lol

[@Jeckaa84]

@@chilldude30 those are American Euro's

[@marshal7969]

What? I paid 0$ on skidrow

[@FullyLooted]

Project cars 2 was incredible. I don't even race on it, I just time attack the beautiful courses over and over

[@FullyLooted]

@Meplayjoke yea lol especially when you put the aggression up. They just crash into the walls

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@FullyLooted Setsuna Yuki also love Project CARS 2 far more than 3.

[@FullyLooted]

@@purwantiallan5089 3 felt like a mobile game. Idk why they moved away from what made them great

[@keloduma]

The menu looks lke a cellphone game. They're gearing towards "commercial success" rather than being a niche franchise. Shot themselves in the foot really

[@davisonzuka]

I agree

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

They say they has a better story mode but.... Its exactly the same, except now it looks like a mobile game lmao ..

[@bigdhav]

Fast and furious: Crossroads.

[@seagullsays5831]

Aiming to be commercially successful instead of niche is shooting yourself in the foot? Alright mate, if you say so.

[@lifebites21]

Yea exactly, a community which at times is willing to spend thousands on VR and rig set ups. Ridiculous.

[@that.guy11]

ALL Project Cars 3 needed to be was an improved PC2; the (not very many) bugs fixed and update/expand the content. We’d all have loved it. Not this Grid/Shift abortion

[@amarks5436]

pro street is the best racing sim of all time. 10/10 realism.

[@loluntilmypie]

I just want a game I can drive the new Dacia Sandero

[@BrianKongXD]

@@amarks5436 lol i hope you are joking

[@epicster64]

The issue is, that is called Automobilista 2,and SMS couldnt really compete against it

[@logancosandier3958]

@@BrianKongXD he was, I can tell

[@boxy2k8]

CARS. Community. Assisted. Racing. Simulator. Betrayed their Community, went overboard with Assists, lacklustre Racing and absolutely not a Sim. Project Cars 2 was my first foray into sim racing, inspired almost entirely by this channel. I was on Spa (which apparently isn't even in this game) at night, in the rain, in an LMP1 car and I knew then I'd made the right decision to get into sim racing. It was amazing. That platform could have been built off, even if it was just more tracks and cars, and I'd have bought it just for that. What a crushing shame they decided to go down this road.

[@hbtm2951]

More cars and more tracks, that's the suffering with Gran Turismo right there, every racing game has it's formula and the core solution is more content to that formula, why the hell they can't see that?

[@TF-bi8ru]

I've got this idea in my head that they couldn't afford to make another simulator due to sales of the previous games. Wouldn't surprise me if PC3 was a last ditch attempt to make the series work on whatever budget they have left, therefore making it more efficient to make a simpler game with a wider appeal.

[@hbtm2951]

@@TF-bi8ru Might be true tho, but codemasters...

[@Here4Porsche]

@1234 abcd Absolutely agree

[@paulhope3401]

@1234 abcd Pad or wheel user?

[@JCTiggs1]

To SMS, RELEASE THE SOURCE CODE FOR PROJECT CARS 2! You've turned your back on the very sim community that supported and paid for the series. The least you can do is give the code back to the community so we can properly finish what you started.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

The community managed to make SHIFT 2 a game worth playing. Imagine what could have been done with PC2....

[@motorsport.central4225]

Even though I am not a modder: This would be awesome

[@aatuliimatainen1767]

it's Automobilista 2 now right? Just keep on going with it, like I do!

[@TheAlison1456]

No game company would ever do that. There are few exceptions, I am sure.

[@PJD1942]

They did.... It's called Automoblista 2. It's on the madness engine... So like pc2 but better handling better ffb. Even if it doesn't have the car content

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

What people were expecting: *A solid sim* that finally irons out the kinks and builds on the strong points of the previous PC iterations. Why they got: A half bit arcade cash grab Shift clone, with worse quality than previous Project Cars games, not even fit for last generation consoles. Effectively Asphalt for PC. My disappointment is immeasurable and my night is ruined.

[@Bananektdu]

It's still more enjoyable to play shift 2 than this, even with shifts 2 quite appalling physics

[@lilelf1075]

@@Bananektdu even driveclub seems more fun than this

[@joshcaminski]

Dat Report of the week cheeky reference there

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

Heck, gran turismo is even better than this

[@lilelf1075]

@@azzurirodrinata7646 yeah Gran Turismo Sport is much better

[@ethancapesauto179]

I don’t see why someone can’t just make a game that looks like project cars 2. Handles like assetto corsa. Has as much depth as F1 2020. And maybe gives you the freedom of a horizon game 😫

[@r32juan]

car tunning system of horizon

[@mariusdjeight]

The next forza motorsport might be that:)

[@oktc68]

@@mariusdjeight dream on

[@AdamsRock]

@@mariusdjeight unfortunately, no chanse.

[@THIS---GUY]

Is F1 2020 worth is I have 2018

[@SamBaker1986]

The '3' is for how many pounds I'm prepared to pay for it.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

3 stands for how much you have to pay me to play it.

[@PiousMoltar]

*pence :P

[@azzazz4549]

More like pence

[@fsudrummer3640]

Thats 3 pounds too much.

[@dylanzrim1011]

Wouldn’t pay 3 grains of sand

[@brook316]

It now literally looks like something you'd pay a £1 to play in a seaside arcade...

[@captainbeard3323]

5 pounds on the app store for some toilet time fun

[@GoFish.1]

Yeah the graphics suck

[@JollyFanatic]

brook316 nah, I’d love a go on the original sega rally 😀

[@mdo]

oh shit dude, I guess that's what they meant by "next gen consoles"

[@DeiKuromu]

play for free...

[@ilariomasala7578]

If Fernando Alonso play this game he would say " It's a Yoke"

[@miater30_75]

As a spanish dude myself, that was so funny man 😂

[@Nascarfan344]

Or in the scene about stick shifting he would complain about the engine being a gp2 engine

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

He's the Ambassador for this game !! :-)

[@ilariomasala7578]

@@miater30_75 I'm Italian, but, Fernando is Fernando! Hope to see him back in F1 in 2021 or 2022 , as Driver, but also as very funny person , he is great! As a Ferrari Fan, 2014 Ferrari Sucxs, (they said "I'ts because of Alonso" ), 2015-2016-2017-2018 (it's because of Vettel) , and 2020 because of WHO? Change mentality Ferrari, the problem was not the Drivers, Fernando and Seb are the best drivers in the last decade,and you losed them both.If they got a competitive car, the would win everything they could, of course not if they was playing Project cars 3. This game is really bad, I agree with Jimmy

[@randomguestobserving6071]

No "Lando" advertised the "new" "amazing" "highly-innovative, technological advanced" and whatnot Logitech "923" "Wheel" which is a similar hoax than PC 3 - same shit different price.... :)...like him a lot too but that....omg....

[@Tintortoise]

Lol anyone remember when Ian Bell said “It’s not ridge racer, it’s not meant to be played with a game pad”

[@socks2441]

thats because its ridge racer 3... and mobile phones dont usually have gamepads... ;-)

[@joelbates8243]

I personally like PC2 but im so glad i didn't pre-order PC3. It doesn't even attempt to be a simulator. The CARS in Project CARS stands for Community Assisted Racing Simulator. Currently, it stands for Codemasters Are Really Shit. Edit - This aged well seeing as I bought PC3 and have been loving it.

[@ActNasty5]

Codemasters quality doesnt go across all the games they make its actually crazy. How were they a part of this, dirt rally, f1, and FF cross roads? Is my info correct? Because these games are so different quality wise lmao

[@DomHowardsFluoPants]

PC2 wasn't even Community Assisted lmao

[@shinomakichuppy8236]

Yeah community assisted... Only for the first one LOL

[@abangpeking9027]

@@ActNasty5 the ff crossroad is from bandai namco

[@SongDesire]

I keep seeing people blaming Codemasters for whats happened with Pcars 3, but that wouldnt be the case in this instance. Sure, Codemasters bought out SMS..... on the 28th Nov 2019. Given the development times usually undertaken for racing games (minimum of 2 years), that would seem to indicate this was the plan from SMS for a good long while before Codemasters took over. 9 months just isnt long enough to make the sort of far reaching changes that have been made to the game. It is an entire change of focus.

[@legatoblues4185]

Not at all surprised to see this is the direction PC3 has taken. The original Project Cars got my attention due to being promoted as being all about motorsports. It had a lot of great ideas and showed real promise, but lacked execution. I definitely saw potential and took part in the PC2 backer / development program, somehow thinking I could help move the concept in the right direction. Didn't take long to figure out how wrong I was... A big standout for me was trying to explain the importance of a broad skill range within a field of opponents, with two angles to this. The first being that a field of 20 cars qualifying within a tenth of a second of each other is not only unrealistic, but also a terrible experience for the player (if you aren't able to do that exact same lap time, then you're either well off the pace or have no competition). The second being that over the course of a season, a championship needs to have front runners, mid packers and back markers, because once again giving all drivers the same skill is unrealistic and a poor experience for the player (example being a driver winning a race, then finishing last in the next, no consistency between races. I would win championships without ever finishing on the podium simply because no AI driver could string together consistent results and not in a good way). I put a lot of effort into demonstrating and explaining these issues and it was brushed aside as being completely irrelevant. The developer response was something like "Close laptimes are a sign of good competition and drivers having off weekends is realistic and desirable". I'm convinced they've never actually watched any real motorsports, because they're so far out of touch it isn't even funny.

[@person8203]

That explains a lot. I can’t believe a professional dev couldn’t see the importance of having consistent AI skill ranges and memorable opponents. Should’ve showed them the old micro machines games, sounds like they need a Chen, spider, and Walter.

[@markusjuenemann]

Interestingly I remember TOCA (DTM/Supercars whatever...) Race Driver (the first of the series) got exactly these points astonishingly right. And it came out in 2003, which is nearly 20 years ago...

[@jayjaygolden5123]

Sim racing ai needs to have an 'experience' based difficulty With pros/veterans being highly consistent Rising stars a little inconsistent with tricks up their sleeve that gets them to beat the veterans, and generally having a higher ability to respond to randomness And rookies being not great except for specific skills (e.g. a rookie can be great at hairpin turns specifically)

[@netherwolf3012]

Man, I just think of Flatout 2 with that. Not a sim but the idea is there kind of, drivers with unique personalities and all. I suppose Forza with its M. Rossi and such does also count but I don't know how they have their modern titles.

[@farhanmahalludin]

That's the reason why couldn't get into the career mode in PC2. It is either too easy or borderline impossible. PC2 ended up being a hotlap simulator for me.

[@JustDevon]

Cheers Jimmer. Saved me some cash there

[@pb6198]

Banned 🚩🤣😉

[@goomba0072]

@@pb6198 did someone say forza 4

[@Hillzy_Eighty7]

Does it have the Rising Sun?

[@Lazlowcolt]

TAKE IT TO THE SHADOW REALM

[@goomba0072]

@@Hillzy_Eighty7 yes

[@adamlewis4763]

idek where his hair is gonna go at this point

[@fergusmckie4336]

Pink

[@Meloni_88]

frosted tips.

[@Eeter26]

The Understeer Podcast like jacques villenueve!

[@spencer4241]

Elvis Presley here we come

[@adamlewis4763]

Ryan Spence 100% the way to go

[@TheShoxter]

Just remember, this is the same studio that created Fast and Furious Crossroads...

[@Here4Porsche]

This explains everything.

[@MorrisseyMuse]

PC3 is amazing fun, Fast and Furious is not. You can't compare them.

[@mustafasaqib1688]

@@MorrisseyMuse both are horrible lol

[@Here4Porsche]

@@MorrisseyMuse Indeed. Like comparing Beach Buggy Racing to The Crew.

[@MDBenson]

Everything I've seen looks like a poorly executed, badly conceived and really cheap Forza knock off.

[@fandangobrandango7864]

*Gran Turismo knock off

[@MDBenson]

Fandango Brandango Honestly? It doesn’t have the refinement and attention to weird detail that a lot if the GT (4,5 & 6) games I’ve played do. The UI menus look all showy and fancy and are very akin to Forza. But maybe you are right in so much that Forza is a passable if overcooked knock off of GT, and this is a knock off of Forza meaning it is a bad GT knock off ultimately

[@AD-df5tm]

I just started reading about PC3 a few days ago and was shocked at the changes they made. So disappointed because PC was really one of the better sim racers on console. What a shame.

[@keloduma]

Yupp

[@noble_nobody]

Seems like they tried to compete with both Forza Motorsport and Horizon at the same time

[@AJOmega2]

'All of the sim you could want with all of the fun you could want.' - Ian Bell, CEO of Slightly Mad Studios, June 2020. Turns out they achieved neither of those things. Well done, that's impressive.

[@MrAyybee2cold]

Lol impressive indeed

[@RobsRobertson]

...Turns out they're a bunch of Hippocrates

[@jammaschan]

I mean its fun its just not a sim. SO they got one of them right.

[@sneakygloworm]

It's only fun for a while though. It's shallow and essentially pointless in a market full of fairly decent arcade racers.

[@jammaschan]

@@sneakyglowormmost racing games are shallow and essentially pointless and so are most games. In racing games you just drive around, in shooting games you shoot stuff and thats basically a whole game. Its not just PC3 which is shallow and pointless. I havent seen a game that has a point except to be fun, which if its fun for a while then it has already achieved its goals.

[@teasippingguy9316]

So basically if you want to get PC3 you should actually just get a PS3 and GT5

[@Logan912]

Either that or the original Grid and Need for Speed: Pro Street which is sort of what this game is trying to be.

[@ajemajh]

@@Logan912 shift 2

[@JESUSISKING77742]

@@Logan912 do you know some good realistic sim games to get for ps4?

[@nicolastallqvist8080]

@@JESUSISKING77742 Asetto corsa

[@JESUSISKING77742]

@@nicolastallqvist8080 the newest competzione one?

[@chrissennfelder7249]

Luckily, there already exists a good Project Cars 3, it's called Automobilista 2.

[@My40Love]

Yes, the game that is already great and will only get better

[@mervunit]

Ams2 is broke af lol

[@jamesshives5679]

Exists for you, but not for console players

[@slowmeisterQ]

@@jamesshives5679 Get PCars2 then

[@jamesshives5679]

@@slowmeisterQ I did, and I have played alot of it. What fans of project cars wanted was improvement on what they had, just as any game franchise fan wants.

[@BigBoshV]

They should have kept the Project CARS: Revolution name. They would have faced less backlash.

[@VMPhilosophy]

I think thats the big problem. It should have been like Project Cars GT or something like that.

[@notdreadyet33]

Project Cash Grab

[@HATECELL]

I think they would've done better if they put that energy into doing another set of DLCs for Project Cars 2

[@purwantiallan5089]

Project CARS 3 is like Madden NFL 13 in terms of removing all the depth on the gameplay.

[@euancarson1292]

I feel like it could be a good game, but it just doesn’t deserve the title “Project CARS”.

[@cypher9000]

It could be a good game... if they put some effort into it.

[@justina9914]

It doesn't deserve to be called community assisted racing simulator

[@MrBrno]

Project SHIFT would have been better

[@dkmotorracingnz8010]

it shouldn't be called Project CARS 3, something else (and without saying it would have "all the sim we want") and maybe it could have been saveable, but it feels like a cash grab.

[@abomination2371]

When you open the game it should just say "You've been codemastered - no refunds"

[@mdo]

They're probably watching and saying "oh look, we're not the only ones running our good series into the ground".

[@abomination2371]

@@mdo 😂

[@FirenzeStorm]

To be fair to codies, this is 100% on simply mad. Codemasters didnt take ownership till late last year as far as I remember. This would have been in development way longer

[@cjd82187]

That’s why I love steam. I’ve pre ordered it, and tomorrow with the 3 day early playing if I hate it I get my money back. I’m going in with pretty low expectations, but if it feels great in VR I might keep it.

[@aeidolone]

One of the better comments I've seen lately. 😂

[@jordyboy321]

This is why I always end up on assetto corsa and dirt rally and games like that. They're just... good...

[@B_Shira]

Reminder: it's the same studio that recently released "Fast & Furious Crossroads". Let that sink in... RIP Slightly Mad Studios

[@emenesu]

No it's not. Fnf uses the sms engine. They didn't make the game. That was such a misinformed post, I'm baffled.

[@PiousMoltar]

@@emenesu Wikipedia says SMS made the game.

[@obiewanchrinobe1182]

Not only the wiki, but the official website, box art, splash screen, and all reviews list sms as the developer? Is everyone misinformed?

[@Yesterzine]

I do wonder if Codies just pressured them to release their last 2 games for Namco in basically whatever state they were so they can move on and do things actually for Codemasters. As indeed Jimmy alludes to when musing they don't give a shit about the reputation of Project CARS now because presumably that stays with Namco.

[@Exilninja]

@@emenesu ???? SMS did make Crossroads? Their logo is literally on the box art 😂

[@SSDART]

CARS: Community Assisted Racing Simulator... They forgot about what that means there was no assistance from the community this time, it shows...

[@tonybucca5667]

YEP...ONE modded car, and 600 skins in RaceDepartment....

[@nicksmackers]

@@tonybucca5667 I think you missed his point, he wasn't talking about mods.

[@hirokishinguji]

It's still CARS though. Codemasters Assisted Racing Simulator

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

@@hirokishinguji lmao

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

@@tonybucca5667 u missed understood his point.

[@Moonshine1147]

So, they turned Project Cars 3 into a generic Codemasters arcade game (ummm sorry: "simcade")?! Absolutely horrendous.

[@JG-ib7xk]

Its not simcade by any stretch of the imagination. There is literally no sim in any part of it.

[@walrus2460]

the most stupid part is the fact that they downgraded the graphics along with the physics, even though its now an arcade game its graphics have been downgraded, what were the developers thinking

[@VaunShiz]

It's just arcade not simcade

[@De-M-oN]

But Codemasters has tyre wear 🙃 Also look at Dirt Rally 2. They can be realistic. Its just Project Cars 3 which is that bad

[@sleepdeep305]

Codemasters acquired SMS studios. They're the one that fucked this series in the throat.

[@JCTiggs1]

There are so many hidden assists for gamepads that their testers have been getting faster times compared to using a wheel. That should tell us all you need to know.

[@Moonshine1147]

Basically, very similar to Codemasters standards.

[@eX0dusmods]

ASNAPS dirt rally is a sim, this is a game

[@Skippy-id9yt]

ASNAPS is this dirt rally is it .....you peanut

[@eX0dusmods]

@@Skippy-id9yt ???

[@Skippy-id9yt]

@@eX0dusmods yes mate , this is Project cars 3 review you criticized someone talking about PC3 and refered to a completely different game ...logic not a strong point Aye ?

[@kierlak]

Basically it's Project Cars Go = mobile game they wanted to make, apparently still in the making, lol

[@LexeLite]

Yup, exactly what I thought, this is supposed to be the Project Cars Go, but for some unknown reason they stopped giving info on progress about it, and suddenly PC3 came out.

[@victormatheusbezerralima3056]

@@LexeLite Took the words out of my mouth. PC:GO got announced back in 2018, then stands a whole year on hiatus/radio silence then outta nowhere this launches and it looks and plays exactly like a mobile game, very curious indeed. And the funny thing is they probably would have made more money if they stayed on the mobile market, and RR3 would finally have a run for it's money for once.

[@LexeLite]

@@victormatheusbezerralima3056 yeah, the mobile racing games world needs a fresh game like PC GO, shame it got nowhere.

[@CA-gc8me]

Aaaah GOT YOU ! Now I see what CEO was thinking. Hope that company will go under.

[@Here4Porsche]

Exactly. Or Phone Cars Go

[@salz_]

"A game that couldn't decide whether it wanted to sort of stick to it's hardcore roots or maybe go down that arcade root" Well that does make it a spiritual successor to Shift because Shift had that exact problem.

[@AimanEzzat95]

When I read "honest" in the title, I knew it's a really bad game...

[@aleshon9563]

They have really shot themselves in the foot.

[@daviddawson4655]

Can I ask you a question respectfully without you taking offence? And I ask this with an honest sincerity?

[@mdo]

Yes they did. Still hoping it's some marketing ploy to make the game look really bad only to hit us with a truly next gen using improved live track, realtime ray traced GI, shadows and reflections, a huge roster of cars and tracks and incredible audio that makes your hair raise.

[@aleshon9563]

@@daviddawson4655 of course why not! :D

[@daviddawson4655]

@@aleshon9563 ahh.....great thank you.😀 if I said to you that it was offensive to me when somebody uses the lords name in vain would it be something you could appreciate as to why? And would you ever consider not doing so in future if asked respectfully? Please dont take offence for I honestly didn't mean to cause any,it is just honestly hard for me to see the lords name used in vain when I know that jesus has and does heal countless broken lives and brings so much peace into people's lives......Im honestly asking for your open thoughts on the matter.either Way or whatever your reply? I want to also say it's very commonplace for people to do this and I don't think people realise its significance.....Thank you for your reply. God bless you and peace be unto you. Dave

[@aleshon9563]

David Dawson oh I'm sorry that I offended you by using that name! It has been in my normal vocabulary for a while now but I'll make sure to fix that immediately😀

[@lefarron82]

You guys are crazy af Project Cars 3 is fun as hell.

[@RRSmurf]

I thoroughly enjoyed PC2 on console and would have been far happier with just a bugless PC2 with a functioning leaderboard, better AI and maybe slightly easier controller behavior. But no. Slightly Mad were lying. They're completely mad. Jimmy, great video. Very well articulated and utterly fair.

[@Serenity-mo9ib]

Its sad for me to see this happen to the project cars line up especially after loving the previous games so much and spending countless hours driving in it

[@tagg946]

i started with AC as my first sim, so its quite hard to like pc2 at all, it also blows you cant change your seating position in vr that well. AC's vr positioning settings are basic but they work; and to be honest, even forza horizon 4 has better wheel feedback than pc2.

[@RTPJu]

The best thing SMS did was licence their engine to Reiza

[@Not_Aran8276]

HOW THE FRICK DO YOU DO THIS GODDAMN PROJECT CARS 3 RACE LIKE WHAT AM I STUPID

[@erty2389]

This game is a joke and an insult to the project cars name

[@xXturbo86Xx]

An insult to all racing games. Except maybe the other cra[ SMS also made not long ago. Fast and Furious.....

[@thomassmith4999]

Even PC2.. isn't great

[@thomassmith4999]

@Michael Appiah Better than pc1 ! :).. Not what it should / could have been though.

[@charlizesampson2650]

@Michael AppiahBecause there's a lot of sim racing games and too much competition.

[@LexeLite]

@NIP imo, PC3 is actually a mobile game, I heard that they are working on android/ios platform, however in the middle of the development, looks like they switch route and decided to make that into PC3, hence the chaos.

[@ThEtEcHnOsAm]

Lies after lies from this studio, then PC3 comes along, and lots of people still support this company?

[@kanetidus]

And I'm still gonna buy this game, so you have a problem with that?

[@dylanzrim1011]

Aram Tapacian bet you complain about GTA5 shark cards but still play GTA5

[@lucasart328]

@@kanetidus enjoy garbage i guess

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

Project CARS 2 is fantastic imo, so I don't blame people for falling for this.

[@frate2727]

I saw Kuru play it, this game looks really good. I played PC1 and I couldn't enjoy it, garbage compared to Asseto Corsa, that why i like the new direction they took.

[@willhines702]

I’m sticking with two. Thanks for the heads up.

[@wheelgamersjack8339]

Finally a video by someone who wasn't paid to play it and say vauge things about it

[@podiumseeker9069]

Honestly, some of those screen shots look like they are from Forza 4 on the 360.

[@lewisharrison5718]

That’s honestly better than this sht😂

[@Vaylon.]

At some points this literally looks worse than Real Racing 3...

[@kristof1230]

Forza 4 was so much ahead of it's time. I play it to this day. That game is many times better compared to this lol

[@TheConzio]

Red Dwarf! probably the most underrated show ever!

[@philipkalin1928]

Project CARS 2 was such a good game, They just needed to work on what they had... i don‘t understand why they go with the arcade train now... I mean a good arcade racers is fun, don‘t get me wrong, but i want a project CARS 3 and not a NFS Shift 3...

[@mryoung0412]

My thoughts exactly, pc2 did a lot of things well but needed some more depth, yet they seem to have cut back for some reason

[@easley421]

One word: money

[@JLewisRacing927]

I feel the name should be just "Project", I can't believe a company would think this is good enough to release

[@蘇美靜-c5d]

Yeah I’m surprised there’s cars in the game

[@JLewisRacing927]

@Joshua Fancher That is great

[@javgroman]

Remember the TOCA series? Wow that was fun - Code Masters used to be THE racing game developer! Incredible sound, the crashes and damage were at times shocking, and the racing was fun. What happened?

[@PPedroFernandes]

Let's be honest... This is shift 3. If you want a need for speed game, this is for you. If you want a simulator.... It's not for you

[@AbsoluteBarstool]

Even from the Shift viewpoint, this does not do any kind of job of making me want to move on from Shift 2

[@PPedroFernandes]

@@AbsoluteBarstool no comment on quality (I haven't played it anyway), just pointing out the direction was clearly a sim cade...

[@Yaz27]

I'd rather play Shift 2 tbh. Customization works, the body kits are all functional and visible, and did I mention the 3-rotor RX7s Works cars?

[@My40Love]

@@AbsoluteBarstool Shift 2 was way better than this crap

[@foobar5057]

Well duh, it's supposed to be a spiritual successor to the Shift games...

[@mightyakkylex]

I just bought project cars 2 about a month ago and I'm pretty ok with it

[@gollese]

Yeh, its not to bad! I joined a community last year and we did GT3 races alot, and some other races... Had LOADS Of fun in there. :)

[@mightyakkylex]

@@gollese nice! I am afraid to join online racing because I'm on a pad and I just don't feel confident enough in it yet 😅

[@mightyakkylex]

I'm just glad I didn't waste my money on the 3rd one then :))

[@mightyakkylex]

Any good wheels for not shit tons of money you can reccomend? 😅

[@adammodan8030]

TheMightyAkkYleX what console or PC?

[@casefc3s]

Thanks for not sugar-coating it Jimmer! The whole time you were going over your experience in the game I couldn't help but think "jesus, they're just cashing in on people that think it's actually a pCARS successor". I was also a backer of pCARS1, and having been active on their forums I saw them fail to back up their own hype/promises in a variety of ways... so while I had fingers crossed for 3 to improve, I'm glad I didn't have to go through the refund process to find out for myself that they've failed to deliver again.

[@hawkeye2816]

Sounds exactly like a Codemasters game. Who could have seen that coming?

[@pauldoodnath8068]

@GasmanOAV SMS said in 2018 that pc3 would be a spiritual successor to shift, long before codemasters bought them

[@pauldoodnath8068]

@GasmanOAV shift and shift 2 are a lot better

[@hawkeye2816]

@@pauldoodnath8068 That's saying something, because Shift 2 is kinda bad. I don't remember enough about Shift 1 to comment on it.

[@spacemanmonster23]

Yet Codies kicks ass at f1 games... so how are they fugging up at this and grid...???

[@hawkeye2816]

@@spacemanmonster23 They kick ass at F1, and yet last I checked Suzuka has a massive bump on the final turn, the AI has weird difficulty spikes, and the physics are... well I guess saying they "are" is about as good as I can get.

[@Jippett0]

Definitely won’t be buying as a result of this “review”. Nice one Jimmer.

[@gamerjordy173]

The poor result of PC3 is all thanks to the codemasters acquisition... Fuck them

[@charlizesampson2650]

@@gamerjordy173 It's nothing to do with Codemasters. This game has been in development for years and Codemasters only brought them about 2 months ago

[@TheAlison1456]

@@gamerjordy173 Even if that were true how could you dislike Codemasters? I don't think you do. I think you're just lashing out that the game is not good like you expected.

[@shaunster2]

gamerjordy173 SO This is only my opinion but code masters owns all rights to f1 and dirt rally maybe this is the reason sms sold it to them and they just really wanted to have this more as a kids game so they can build something of there own and just cancel PCARS all together and keep grid

[@gollese]

Im glad i ignored all the talks, im enjoying the game myself on a controller. Not tried it on wheel yet.

[@peves-]

YES! There is no tire grip! That was exactly my experience. I noticed it driving the Lancer. The car also stops dead in hair pins and s bends. I don't know why it does that but I'm talking about on a downhill hair pin where my car should still have momentum regardless of what's happening it jus stops and i have to throw it back into first gear and start form a stopped position again.

[@MikeHawk-02]

They went from making a simulator to a car game.

[@ayrton42]

PCars was never a sim

[@KantHandleThis]

Best description for PC3, “car game”. “Bro what kind of game is this?” “It’s a car game bro”

[@KantHandleThis]

AyrtonT no it wasn’t, but it was the closest to a sim a simcade game really gets I think

[@ayrton42]

@@KantHandleThis sure, I twas definitely a sim-leaning simcade

[@mdo]

@@ayrton42 yeah, it was more of a simcade. Personally I enjoyed it the most as it was a lot more friendly to a casual like me than Assetto Corsa and came with a lot of content. I also love PCars 2's live track feature, that's really one of a kind in sim/simcade racing games.

[@JCTiggs1]

You can see how deflated Jimmy is about Project Cars 3. We all had high hopes for a proper sequel and the end result is a kick in the nuts and slap to the head with a wet fish. Ian Bell is laughing at us while he turns his back on the sim community and pockets his $30 million.

[@charlizesampson2650]

The last project cars games weren't SIM racing games.

[@reigen_4989]

@@charlizesampson2650 they were really close to sim racing, now its literally simcade or even arcade

[@omertacw]

3 is shit

[@jayd2517]

Speaking as someone that plays on a controller because I don't have room for a wheel setup, all I wanted from the new game was updated Indycars and a setting to change from wheel based controls to controller. Thanks for saving me money!

[@yannick3900]

I don't see a single scenario where buying this game is actually a profit, it's just bad

[@mar0239]

Its just arcade

[@jammaschan]

I would play it.

[@TheAlison1456]

@@jammaschan People don't value their time well enough, so I don't doubt that, but I don't think you'd buy it.

[@fineraftmovies]

Finally a realistic review. From the moment SMS announced this, I was sceptical (unlike with pCARS2). And my fears have become reality. For me it looks like Grid is even better then this. PCARS has lost my interest

[@MasterControl90original]

I know right? Grid autosports looks more like a sim than this

[@bottledit5379]

I actually really liked grid 2019 the physics were fun and enjoyable but did get boring with the lack of content

[@fredericleederman3824]

One big thing I feel every sim racer misses. Stalling. Even on the high experience modes it’s assists you to where you don’t need to use the clutch.

[@foxtrotalphazulu6418]

Thanks Jimmy, saved me £50. Why they didn’t call it Project Shift so people knew what they were getting, is beyond me. Totally misses the point about what the Project CARS concept is all about.

[@kip258]

Some people consider "Arcady" the same thing as "bad" when referring to racing games. That's absolutely not the case, there are a TON of great Arcady racing games, but Project Cars 3 is not one of them. :P

[@martineles7369]

yep, exactly, Horizon 4 is a good arcade game, Driveclub is a good arcade game, but this is trash xD

[@JCTiggs1]

You can see how deflated Jimmy is about Project Cars 3. We all had high hopes for a proper sequel and the end result is a kick in the nuts and slap to the head with a wet fish. Ian Bell is laughing at us while he turns his back on the sim community and pockets his $30 million.

[@NuDavai]

I love burnout paradise as an arcade racing game, so much fun

[@rosaria8384]

Burnout Paradise (and older Burnouts), Split Second, Blur, and other arcade racers are what arcade should be. This one is a massive disappointment that does not live up to the Project Cars name.

[@PaperlessWriter]

Good stuff, Jimmy. Reasonable, measured, honest and always civil. More reviews, please! Stay safe.

[@willbennett7508]

Not only have they made a crap sim they’ve made a crap racing game by the sounds of it

[@Tyler-Hagan-Racing]

Thanks for the honest review, confirmation that I don’t need to waste any money on it 👍🏼

[@jpozify]

thanks for the review - i had been wondering about this release

[@MrSrimera]

Never mind, there's still plenty of life left in PC2 for me, loads of car / track combinations to explore, love the game.

[@z_max33]

This game isn’t an absolutely awful racing game, but it’s an absolutely awful project cars game

[@xXturbo86Xx]

If it was a mobile game i'd say it's an AMAZING mobile game. For a PC (or even console) racing game, it is indeed awful.

[@FacuGonz3]

Exactly. That's the problem. Anyway, is still a kinda bad game.

[@jammaschan]

@@xXturbo86Xx Nope its a great game for PC too. Its way better than any mobile game. I would buy it. Im not rich enough to buy a wheel and its kinda pointless to play more close to sim games without a wheel. I would say this is the right amount of arcade and sim mixed together for me.

[@jammaschan]

@Langtzy I was kinda sad about tire wear and pitstops removed as I like them in games. But still I wouldnt say its a bad game, rather being misleading due to the title and they way they advertised it. If they made this a different series it wouldve been fine.

[@TheF1leader]

Project: "Community Assisted" "Racing Simulator" 👏

[@nozomubnr3268]

ERROR - - - - - COMMENT TAKEN

[@WanganTunedKeiCar]

“Community” “assisted” “racing” “simulator” “3”

[@kennyyuliandrika7162]

So this is why Valve never released the third franchise.

[@jetaddict420]

Installment*

[@bugsam]

We had no idea what they were thinking. It turns out, neither did SMS.

[@Absolynth]

Ive never been into sim racing much at all, but picking up PC2 for my PS4 I did not regret.

[@JCTiggs1]

Automobilista 2 is on sale this week. Smart move Reiza!

[@PotHat]

It's actually built from the Project Cars engine though which is the funny part.

[@larsnienberg5488]

IMO, one of the biggest problems is SMS' attitude. They seem to be incredibly full of themselves. Their marketing is always way over the top, saying "this will be the best ever, and will blow any other game out of the water". When they announced there'd be no pitstops, fuel usage or tyre wear in PC3, and people criticized that decision, their online marketing director essentially said: "Well, you people should accept innovation." Removing pit stops is not even close to innovation. That attitude leads to the games not living up to their marketing, and from what I've seen, SMS often don't seem to respond well to criticism either. I really enjoy PC2, especially in VR, but I will not buy PC3.

[@pls-no-punterino7095]

buy AMS 2, then, it's a better Pcars 3 than Pcars 3 is.

[@larsnienberg5488]

@@pls-no-punterino7095 Bought it back when it came out actually. AMS2 is awesome!

[@dineontitan5170]

Very much agree. I was very hyped by PCars 1 and went of the forums every once in a while. I can't really remember the guys name but I remember that there was a massive douchebag that only wanted to listen to himself and insulted or banned everyone else that gave feedback. It was at that moment I completely ditched SMS and all of their games

[@JCTiggs1]

You can see how deflated Jimmy is about Project Cars 3. We all had high hopes for a proper sequel and the end result is a kick in the nuts and slap to the head with a wet fish. Ian Bell is laughing at us while he turns his back on the sim community and pockets his $30 million.

[@JCTiggs1]

@@dineontitan5170 The douchbag you are referring to is Ian Bell, the SMS CEO. He recently sold SMS to Codemasters for $30 million and didn't even split the money with the rest of his team members.

[@viperzap720]

As someone who has in fact played Grid and Forza Horizon, I don't even want to play this game. I'll stick to struggling on Project Cars 2 with a controller.

[@VaunShiz]

But Forza horizon doesn't compete with this , 7 does , but yea I'd rather play that

[@dan280]

Are you using the sticks? I don't struggle when changing to tilt steer, using the motion sensor. Much more enjoyable. I was ready to throw it in the bin with the sticks.

[@fazilahamed1240]

It seems Slightly Mad studios has really gone "Slightly Mad".... I would rather put my money down on Project Cars 2

[@elvitu8038]

Slightly? More like... completely!

[@j8kolloko]

More like totally mad!!

[@fazilahamed1240]

@VBZ me too ✌🏻

[@d0msen1]

Im very pleased to see SMS take one blow after another. This is what happens when all you care about is cash.

[@philcollins5141]

God I love jimmer! Asking people to chill because not every opinion is the same. Class

[@HamzaFaruqui]

God this looks awful. The early 2000s' gran turismo looked better to be honest.

[@C_Raccoon23]

Yeah, Gran Turismo 3 and 4 still look great to this day.

[@AimanEzzat95]

Agree!

[@Blade4Life76]

What lol. Have you seen them games recently.

[@350eti]

I played gt 4 about 2 months ago, and no. Not even with enhanced graphics thanks to the emulator as well. I would say, it looks more like a PS3 game, which is still inacceptable for a project cars game

[@HamzaFaruqui]

@@Blade4Life76 ever heard of hyperbole bro😂😂

[@DankBoyy00]

Look how they've massacred my boy!

[@macsharratt9622]

Love your videos man. Best sim racing KZbinr

[@jamesgilbert124]

Don't hold back, Jimmer. Let us know how you really feel.

[@reedchamblee8754]

This makes me so sad, I couldn’t wait for this game.

[@Joopyter724]

5:15 yes it does aside from the occasional lag on the standard xbox once it starts to overheat

[@2WheeledMohawk]

I remember buying and playing the sh*t out of the first Project Cars, hours on end on Xbox One. Few years later I Discovered PC2 and immediately whent out and bought it. initially I found it difficult to get to grips with due to the increased realism and driving physics (cold tyres & brakes taking time to heat up). I eventually got the hang of it and fell in love with the gave even more. Im glad I watched this vid as I'd of just went out and sunk the £50 or so assuming it'll be on par if not better and be left excruciatingly underwhelmed. Cheers Jimbo

[@leafybreezestudios1025]

This series got me back into sim racing after about 10 - 15 years, and now its a bad version of shift and grid

[@andrewhowe7950]

I just finally ordered a wheel yesterday because I picked up the deluxe edition of PC2 in the January sale for 11.99. looks like that was a steal especially if the sequel is that big a step backwards

[@jebediahgentry7029]

This sounds like the NASCAR Heat 5 of sim racing.

[@NorthStarBlue1]

Heat 5 just didn't do anything to warrant being considered an upgrade from the last game. This is a very aggressive downgrade in most respects, and for reasons none of us can figure out.

[@jebediahgentry7029]

@@NorthStarBlue1 Heat 5 is a better game. They did some good things with the physics but for the most part I agree. I wonder how it's possible that Project Cars got it so wrong though. It's so much of a down grade from what I'm seeing with reviews that someone had to consciously do it and know that they did it. Glad I watched this before I bought it.

[@bane-980]

They’ve just cut so many corners to save time and money. Then rely on the name to make sales.

[@shaunster2]

They failed at it selling it to code masters then code masters just trumped it. Literally Donald trumped it. 🚮

[@diesel4ever273]

I played PC2 and loved it, got this thing today, already expecting to get a NFS Shift 3 with still good physics (on the wheel, i didnt think it was that much worse tbh, with all driving aids off, apart from it being almost impossible to lock the brakes without ABS) and i was not disappointed. It may not be as realistic as a true simulator, but i think it's still on the level of Gran Turismo. You can't lie, it's nice to be able to buy your own car, actufeel like you own it, then upgrading it and see how crazy you can go... That is fun too, and the driving felt nice to me after adjusting the FFB. I ll just keep both installed, as they're two completely different games. The thing is that they shouldn't have called this Project CARS 3. On all simulators, i ve always thought the same: This game feels amazing to drive on, i only wish i could actually earn money to buy my own cars and tune them up. I play on console, so mods aren't an option for me.

[@RavenStation711]

What I loved so much about the Shift games, and still do, is their tone/presentation. The visceral, high intensity action was awesome and I wish to see more of that style in a modern casual sim game like they did at the time. PC 1 and 2 sort of carried some of that style over but in a much more toned down way and focused more on trying to be a real sim. The soundtracks by Stephen Baysted were some of the most unique and memorable racing game soundtracks I've ever heard, I loved the orchestral remixes of rock songs in Shift 2. I want more of that, but Codemasters wants to make a successor to Shift 2 without doing anything that made the Shift games what they were. Thanks I hate it.

[@liamfergie]

This is reminding me of when grid 2 came out. They didn’t actually understand what made their game great or unique, didn’t listen to the fans, then had an identity crisis and brought out a confusing game that didn’t appeal to their players and it flopped.

[@mrbungle3310]

Project cars 2 was the best in my opinion,the tracks accessibility and career mode ,i just like to drive different cars on different tracks thats my dream game...not many games did that good

[@Midlife-Bikeist]

RIP PC3, love it that the developer can "pay for your time, not your review"