My Issue With Science Based Lifting Community | Question For Jeff Nippard

[@ThePrincePanhandler]

*I can't believe it's been almost 10 YEARS since the POG break-up!!!! A DECADE!!!*

[@drowningmonday4374]

He's probably still bulking 😂

[@PCE_TA]

@@drowningmonday4374😂😂😂😂😂

[@Rc1023]

Should have a 10 years reunion and have a scientific debate with Vince-G

[@undefinido]

yt fitness 2011-2015 was the best

[@Shawnzy1]

We were just boys then

[@grumblydoore8551]

Arguing ‘science based’ vs. ‘non science based’ lifters doesn’t even make sense when you think about it. Everyone uses science. Whether you’re counting macros, managing weight, or lifting by instinct, doinf curls, it’s all based on the science of how our bodies work.

[@SirButtah]

Exactly. Its a buzz word, but it's redundant. Experience is the best teacher. Reading some books doesn't supercede putting in the work. The most notable examples in the space aren't doctors, though they've grown into similar philosophies and understandings. It's all science and art.

[@one2three44]

I agree. The divide has nothing to do with Science. It's just highschool clique shit. Bros vs. Nerds

[@SirButtah]

@@one2three44 facts.

[@mrdjaypete1766]

I don’t think people even know what science is. They think it’s just nerds being arrogant. It’s really just a method.

[@nonyobussiness3440]

No science based lifters/fitness/bodybuilding influencers overly focus on what’s optimal, “studies”, emphasizing to much on what new research says and over complicate things - they take it to a point of obscurity and to the point of actually no longer understanding science and academia. Most fitness studies are flawed. Its damn near impossible to do a proper experiment and research study regarding fitness- to many variables, to hard to get proper sample size, too expensive, cant keep variables the same, its primarily driven by higher education academics doing studies and research to prove they run studies/funds/get published to either get hired doing something more lucrative or get more grant money and donations to the department. Any real ground breaking research is not public, private, off the books. No pro athlete, Olympic athlete or pro sports/olympic/national sports team/org is giving away any useful knowledge they discovered. People have made gains doing bro splits for decades. People made gains using basically any split going balls to the wall with no periodization or programming everyday. My father was a natural bodybuilder in the 1980’s. Competed and everything. Back then the popular split was push and pull day 1, arms day two. Day three Legs. Repeat and no rest days. Cardio in the morning with abs. Cardio via heavy bag work after lifting. Jump rope evening. The goal was to increase the weight you could do on the classic big barbell compound movements but for (basically they cared about increasing their max weight weight was for 4 sets of 10 with 60 seconds rest - a high 1 rpm was not impressive or their focus for them). Their workouts had heavy low rep sets 1 rep - 6, then 8-12, 12-20 and burnouts drop sets, beyond failure. They did did a fuck ton of exercises. Basically think training like Dorian and Ronnie and Jay cutler in same workout. They made gains

[@jaefreeman3086]

Much love, Chris. Started watching your channel when I was a freshman in high school back in 2011. I recently finished my master's in exercise science. I'm a medical exercise specialist, exercise physiologist and strength & Conditioning Coach and you're absolutely right about the mind/muscle connection. The literature also supports it. Visualization of a movement activates the same parts of the motor cortex as actually executing the movement. Imagining executing a movement illicits the same response in the neurons of the muscles utilized in the movement as actually conducting the movement. This is from the literature. That is literally the science. You're absolutely correct on that one. Keep up the good work.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Thank you for this feedback.💎🤝📝📝📝

[@PeterNorthCumshotLegend]

​@BeastmodeJones316 insults science based lifters but intros the video selling fat burners gtfo of here this negro on some hippy sht lol

[@otperformance1042]

Broh yes when he would buy the green arnold protein tubs from walmart

[@xBiqD91x]

We need that ohio chick story man for the OGs. And Vince G swole nerd ain’t never been the same without you

[@enderhive9489]

I never saw mind muscle connection as imagining the movement, but how well you are able to activate the muscle you’re trying to train. You can do lat pulldowns with heavy weight with poor mind muscle connection and poor form but if you lower the weight, increase the time under tension and really try to feel all the muscles working, you will much more efficiently target the muscles intended to be trained with the lat pulldowns

[@TheBeatz94]

“Even if you beat me, I win”. I love that energy, my bro!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝💎💯💯💯

[@jfmorache]

Man I finally found you ! I used to watch tons of your videos when I was younger. Youre the best bro , always spitting facts no bullshit. Make bodybuilding simple as it should.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love🤝

[@MrOisJustLiving]

Talked for 12mins talking about how much he loved to talk before talking about the title. 😂 Shoutout to Chris Jones 🫡

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂😂😂💯💯💯🤝

[@jasonroberts6133]

Out of all the fitness influencers I’ve ever watched Chris has taught me the most about the gym fr fr. I like Greg and all the other guys too, but as far as the actual lifts and technique go I feel like I can say Chris has helped me the most keep killing it man!!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love to you 💯🤝

[@jasonroberts6133]

@@BeastmodeJones316 yes sir i appreciate the uploads!

[@grumblydoore8551]

In boxing every move is grounded in science. It’s not just about throwing punches, it’s about understanding angles, timing, body mechanics, and energy efficiency. When you approach boxing as a science, you gain control over your power and precision, reducing the risks to yourself while maximizing effectiveness against opponents. Trying to learn boxing without understanding the science means I’ll fk you up. When you meet someone trained in the full discipline of boxing, they’re not just reacting, they’re anticipating, adapting, and applying years of strategy and technique. This isn’t just for show boxing science makes a real difference in performance, and that’s why I’ll always have an edge. So I guess what I'm saying is, bodybuilding might be different I guess. You can just go to the weight, not know any science, just lift the weight and get a little bigger. But you can never be a pro bodybuilder though, without the science.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

This was a great explanation.💯 The sweet science of the art of boxing, is backed by the laws. Notice, the punches that tend to knock you off your feet, are the ones you don’t see coming. Thats life! Things that hit you hard, while you were off guard, and you never saw it coming; can “knock you off your feet.” Example: you find out the new born baby isn’t yours and you assumed that you were in a happy and healthy marriage. The paternity test proves otherwise. This situation can knock a man off his feet in a “metaphorical” sense.💯💎

[@grumblydoore8551]

@@BeastmodeJones316 Man you’re the real deal, got that natural strength and still know your science better than any of these ‘science heads’ or guys relying on steroids. Your workouts are proof you don’t need shortcuts. Keep at it..those biceps are HUGGIN’ 💪🏽😅

[@GeneticMasterpiece1]

@@grumblydoore8551 I respect the science of boxing but with all due respect, there are dudes out there that are so imposing physically or so mentally set up to be fighters, that boxing those guys doesn't work, regardless of being a student of the sweet science. To be the best boxer you need to actually be cut from the cloth of a fighter. If you don't have the spirit of a fighter it doesnt matter how good of a boxer in science you may be. Just like there are successful bodybuilders who didnt understand the science at all but just were genetically blessed and lifted hard and heavy.

[@humanoidtyphoon998]

​yea I agree OP said alot of nothing As Mike said everybody has a plan untill they get punched

[@grumblydoore8551]

@@GeneticMasterpiece1 Respecting the science is crucial even for those naturally gifted. Sure, some people have that genetic edge or fighter’s spirit, but without applying science, they’ll never reach their full potential. Being big and strong alone doesn’t make you a better boxer, it’s applying technique and strategy that defines skill. Look at bodybuilders, someone like Paul Dillette had all the physical gifts but didn’t go as far without the science, whereas Mike Tyson or Ronnie Coleman used their genetics and mastered the science to become legends. It’s that combination that makes greatness. It’s not just about size, giants who didn’t apply the science, like Ronnie Coleman, have been beaten by 5’4” bodybuilders like Lee Priest. In boxing, it’s timing, speed, and knowing how to use your unique edge that counts. Everyone has a gift, like Chris Jones..a lot of guys, even on steroids, won’t ever look like him, especially naturally. Not everyone’s biceps are gonna be huggin HUGGIN’ like that. 😅

[@knuckledraggurz1090]

I actually watched the debate and Mike did not say that mind muscle connection wasn’t important. Chris then literally switched gears and pressed him about click baiting ppl with his titles & using mikes ethnicity to condemn him for using such tactics. Been a big fan of Chris since the POG days but since his spiritual awakening the god complex is slowly but surely seeping through. Which tends to happen to a lot of people when they have an awakening or heroic dose of psychedelics. You can see Chris is clearly jealous and he admits it. He was mad that Greg didn’t do a natty or not on him even though it’s clear Chris is natural.. a Top Tier Natty if we are being honest. But Chris seemed to want more recognition. There has been a changing of the guard when it comes down to the top guys of the fitness community. And Chris has never fully regained the popularity he once had since the POG split & for awhile he stopped pumping out videos as often as he used to & that algorithm is unforgiving. Once again I love Chris and a lot of his advice specifically when he speaks of universal laws and the importance numbers are pure gold. But sometimes that pump chaser shirt should say clout chaser instead.

[@MrCK312]

Mike Israetel has 100% said that mind muscle connection wasn’t a thing.

[@knuckledraggurz1090]

@ kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4C8iH-NfJKtoaMsi=tkSWGD0jnwFPlyFN

[@knuckledraggurz1090]

@ he actually has a whole video breaking down the importance of mind muscle connection when combined with the right effort,weight & form.

[@kcidd12]

Thanks, ChatGPT, for that essay. Quick question though, do you think pineapples belong on pizza?

[@knuckledraggurz1090]

@ 🤣

[@jaymanager2676]

Thanks Chris. I’m an educated man, but I’m also a regular dude! Ain’t nothing wrong with asking questions, it only gets us better as men and society as a whole!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

For real! I literally just see myself as one of the people. I educate myself because I know that knowledge is power, and if you lack knowledge someone will exploit it; one way or another.💯

[@Champ1988]

I was here way back in the POG days! You and your partner were the first ones in this space to make real money (and reveal numbers) from KZbin revenue. Always felt happy for you because I saw you get it from the mud, and you always seemed to know how to work with whatever your circumstances were.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Gotta be like water (Bruce Lee voice). Gotta know how to adjust in this game.💯🤝

[@Champ1988]

@@BeastmodeJones316 Also, as I'm finishing the vid, I want to add something. You were always transparent about the facts. I was a struggling college student spending BREAD on expensive supplements. But because I saw your results and trusted your advice, it caused me to actually give the cheaper stuff you were using a try. To this day, that cheap BodyFortress creatine is the best creatine I ever used for that "full" look. You're country and straightforward, so the science nerds try to undermine your information because of it. But your results always spoke for themselves. The science nerds (and I'm one of them myself, though balanced) often over-think and over-complicate things to the point where they think they're above the facts themselves. And as a result, their pride won't allow them to challenge their information because they don't want to be wrong.

[@Fitnezzwithmark]

The pog dayz,yesss....glad you're still going strong jones!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🦾

[@gkmaritim]

I agree brother. It starts from the mind. Thats how "newbie gains" comes from. It's the central nervous system making new connections and adapting to the new stimulus (weight lifting).

[@Yezebnesh_Maharat]

Thanks, Chris. BTW, your 2020 mental breakdown video and overcoming it helped me a lot

[@BeastmodeJones316]

That was one of the best things that ever happened to me. I didn’t see it that way while I was going through it tho. Lol

[@edb.5307]

You know what it is!! Chris Jones representing physiques of greatness!! Chris jones Vince g!

[@Give_Me_Rent]

Greg Doucette is still ducking Revival Fitness after almost 3 years after that bombshell he dropped on him completely dismantling his "maingaining" theory. He cooked him way worse lmao

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Greg be “picking” his battles wisely too. Peep the game!😂💯💯📝📝📝

[@flyinghigh5531]

POG is OG. I started watching about 2012 when I was 10th grade, time flys!The pre OG was and still my favorite pre workout of all time along with the POG emblem. Glad you split and started your own thing though. You’re an example of living the dream, and it’s well deserved.

[@alphaking814]

Bro, you watched for Vince G 😂

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝

[@Egoliftdaily]

Gahdayum "Source Amnesia" - remembering the information but forgetting who the source was... That 3 sides of the story quote was on my mind through the years whenever conflict arises between 2 parties in life and online. I was wondering where I first heard that, LOL. Turns out you were the source for me, haha. Binging on your vids right now Chris as I do my workout, haha.

[@barakviolin2943]

This man is the real OG of the fitness industry! The only one who keeps on giving all his goddamn secrets. I just like that he is honest and not bullshitting us and goes straight to the point. Much respect chris

[@jordandavis4318]

Been following you through this whole journey, salute Chris 🫡

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🫡🤝

[@thejroostheory7831]

I find when people run from debates it's usually because they're not totally sure of what they're saying and fear being exposed.

[@lagooncompany7477]

Idk bout this. People may know what they're talking about but might not know how or be strong in debating.

[@thejroostheory7831]

​@@lagooncompany7477If you know your stuff it won't be much of a debate.

[@juniorbBlueCollarFitness]

Let’s hit up wal mart and get some of that 6 star protein!!

[@Yaiden050]

Is that science based? It must work than, I’ll give it a try..

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Get you some damn GAF whey instead, and support your brother.😂💯

[@Martiniish]

I remember those days lol

[@juniorbBlueCollarFitness]

@@BeastmodeJones316 the official whey of DFW

[@juniorbBlueCollarFitness]

@@BeastmodeJones316 the official whey of DFW

[@backnine1542]

Damn Chris, long time no see dude! Just wanted to drop a comment man, catching you in my recommendations. And then seeing you still got your Tiger Fitness supps reminded me of Tiger Fitness and I just went on that nostalgia trip back my high school days man. Great to see you doing well brother!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🦾🦾

[@JDayFitness]

Chris is still one of my favorite KZbinrs, been watching since 2012. Always been speakin truth and keeping it real, staying true to himself and what he believes no matter what the masses say, and I respect the hell out of that.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Gotta stay 10 toes down and true to myself. If not; it could have a negative effect on my energy in many ways. lol

[@Abelvilla91]

Debate is the only way we can grow. Viewers need to have an open mind and be willing to do their own research as well.

[@reflectingwithchrisjones1749]

💯💯💯🤝

[@jacalexandernewbury6153]

Haven't seen one of your videos in years, mad respect for the consistency you've shown

[@marvjay718]

You slacking dude

[@alameals]

I forget how long I've been following you till you mentioned the physiques of greatness channel (what a drama😂) , been great to follow your journey man. Keep up the solid work!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Time flies man!💯🤝

[@hershey7wood]

I've been rocking with Chris since the POG days. I have a few programs (apparel and supps) and even got my ex one of the beginner programs. Funny thing, i also have a few Nippard programs. I financially support natural lifters, but take tidbits from enhanced lifters too. I appreciate you not going the way of the HodgeTwins. 😂

[@kizmvp777]

You can’t follow everyone blindly because they have a PhD. That Australian lady had a PHD in breakdancing and look how that turned out😊

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tylerdurden8422]

All PhDs are not equal tho Humanities, Social Studies PhDs are not equal to Science, engineering PhDs

[@kizmvp777]

@ r/whoosh

[@jaydun05]

@@tylerdurden8422this isn’t the smartest statement you’ve ever made

[@kelgbrown007]

Her ph.d was in cultural studies, not in breakdancing. Two different things . Haha

[@xxbyron13xx]

Loved the title "Science Based" when working out in itself is all science

[@25aplus]

🔥🔥🔥 Thank you for the truth!!! I been working on perfecting my form and taking my time with every rep!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

MFGA (make form great again)

[@773chitowncity]

Following since POG era ! lol

[@LeonGenesis]

Great video Chris! My opinion might not be the best example and I could be wrong, but having the mind to muscle connection allows for better muscle stimulation, and activation. Similar to visualization. Whoever doesn’t understand that, doesn’t understand bodybuilding. When you’re doing bicep curls, you’re not thinking about or focusing on how your legs feel. Your goal is to become conscious of the biceps contracting and relaxing, while actually going through the concentric and eccentric phases of the movement. As an example, The point of biceps curls are to build and strengthen the biceps. Yes there are stabilizing muscles, antagonists and protagonist muscles involved, but the goal of bicep curls is bigger biceps. Not bigger legs.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I like to think of it this way, doing a backflip takes a specific amount of skill and technique. However, if you do the same backflip on a balance beam, you have to apply a bit more focus and pay more attention to your balance and some minor details; by using the depths of your mind. That’s how weight training as a bodybuilder is. Performing the exercises takes effort but to really connect with the muscles deeply, you gotta apply more focus and attention to details than normal if you wanna get to the next level.

[@Justin-mo5zv]

Bruh I didn’t even know you had that experience! Been following but now I’m gonna follow you so much more closely brother 🙏

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝 much love!

[@mikesalinas3141]

I belive anything chris Jones says TILL THIS DAY ! TILL THIS DAY! He's never shown me a reason to stop following or fuckin with him always keeping it real before and after pog.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

My goal is to keep it that way. I ain’t a perfect man, but I want to make (and maintain) real connections with real people.💯🤝

[@conorbrandonbyrne8669]

This facts just because someone has a PHD doesn't mean they are always right.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I learned this lesson years ago. A “degree” doesn’t mean someone has a “flawless” philosophy. The journey of knowledge doesn’t stop after graduation day.💯📝

[@Eric_Bodyguard_H]

Been a while since i watched consistently but fan since the POG days.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🤝

[@boozec]

What are the POG days?

[@MovewithmeFit]

Yet another banger man!! Heck yeah. You and Greg on repeat 🔥

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🔥🔥🤝🤝

[@imnotthegiant8796]

I still use my pump chasers wrist wraps every workout, i bought them when they first came out like 10 years ago

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I appreciate the support.🤝

[@imnotthegiant8796]

@ thanks for responding OG. let us know when you release your own ghetto spatula

[@jrpierce4823]

80% of young guys at my gym are on gear or sarms.. it's a terrible trend to see.

[@jogon9649]

Brother nothing wrong with some testosterone replacement for gains, I used to be on the hating side of things. If anything tattoos is a way worse trend..

[@jrpierce4823]

@jogon9649 these kids are 14 yrs old.. out of the 3 kids I coach for boxing, I was only able to prevent one taking gear.. if you're an older man with real issues do your thing but these kids don't know what they're getting into. They're already experiencing side effects.

[@MR12AMAZING]

​@@jrpierce4823Let em find out the hard way.

[@kavicoonjobeeharry3824]

Great video and well rounded take man👏🏽👏🏽

[@hanksimon1023]

I didn't watch the discussion, so I don't have context. Muscle activation can be effected through fascia, reflex, muscle memory, nerves, conscious effort, and so on. It gets even more complicated when considering phantom limbs (amputated limbs with nerve still intact) and immobilized limbs ( where a broken arm or leg in a cast may be 'exercised' or toned by exercising the other limb). So conscious effort from upper level brain activity is only one aspect of movement and exercise. Also, with the term, "Jew", it depends on experience and how used. Again, I don't know the discussion or context, so can only make inferences from what you said? "Jewish people", "Jewish man or woman" is seldom spat out as a racial slur. In today's world, with the attacks on Israel, the support for the attacks in Ivy League Universities, and the growing [ and very dangerous] increase in vicious antisemitism in the US, the UN, and internationally, I could imagine that someone might be cautious when hearing the word "Jew" used in an angry or aggressive discussion.

[@LifeofRip]

All of those other guys are semi wrong! Your much more effecient in the answer! Although mike was correct from the sensory aspect kf stepping in a nail BUT none of them mentioned fascia. We have to omit all of their answers!

[@KoreanChocoBoy]

What you said in this video is actually a debate between Pavlov and Bernstein centuries ago. I think you should look at their debate it actually talks about everything you mentioned in this video.

[@chrizjenj3910]

I always come here to get better gains information but also for the consious bars Jones drops.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯💎🤝

[@nsines95]

Haven't watched your videos in years. Freaking love that the intro is still the same ❤

[@jaycee_88]

Bodybuilding is a science, people need to understand where it comes from. To be against science means you are against the fundamentals of bodybuilding such as, sleep time/eating the right amount and calories/the anatomy of the muscle how the joints work and also how your body is structured to prevent injuries/Even steroid usage (you cant just blast how ever much you feel), so when bros bash science they forget where it starts and originates from. The base form of origin of bodybuilding started off average and improved overtime with the help of science. But I feel like bodybuilding is not simple enough and people need to follow the fundamentals to make progress. not nitpick at different shit trying to skip the hard parts of bodybuilding such as going fkn hard. I also feel like you got to get all the fundaments in place before you jump into science.

[@kristiangurholt59]

Bought some POG hoodies back in the day, probably around 2011-12. The "muscle worshipper" and "Fuck shyt up". Even though I love them, I don't wear them much because I'm a grown man now and they're kind of embarrassing out in public. That's why they're still in better shape than I am, lol. Thanks for the memories, and I trust you still have the widest back among the few naturals that are still left.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝

[@TDace25]

The People love you Chris

[@nationiron]

Has Jeff responded to this yet?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

No; he didn’t respond to me publicly (like he did with Mike Van Wyck), but I know for a fact that he got my message, and that’s all that really matters to me. The Universe wants the TRUTH available to the people, and I delivered it in this video. 💯📝📝📝

[@jasonito23]

19:34 what was that???

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤣

[@Natureboypkr2]

Hey Chris, I’m a Molecular Biologist with a focus on infectious diseases research. People my community don’t consider exercise sports science, and other related disciplines, real science for many of the reasons you mentioned. You have the thought process of a real scientist.

[@reflectingwithchrisjones1749]

I try to view all “art forms” with a scientific lens.🤝💯💯

[@dial001]

I remember when I was in 4th grade and stumbled across the mind muscle connection by accident. I knew nothing about it. There was this girl in class who could make her ears move, and at the time I could not. I remember from that day using my inner voice (the one you hear in your head) to tell my ear to move. So everyday I would do this and about a 6 months later my freaking ear moved, and I’m not talking about moving my eyebrows or anything trying to make it move. With a relaxed face it moved. And later I figured out how to move the other one and it didn’t take no 6 months the second time. So I know first hand that the MMC is very real.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Just imagine what would happen if you connected with your entire body that way. Notice, masters of the art of yoga have control of their body; as a whole. That shit takes years of practice and dedication; just like the art of bodybuilding (and posing).💯🤝

[@LJMcCrayUofF]

Love these type of videos

[@themanwelch]

Bro, when you going to sell them jogger pants again. Mine are ripped up. I need to get at least 2 more

[@BeastmodeJones316]

We’ll see! I took a little break to focus on some other things.

[@jaytaylor2332]

Time goes by so fast OG Keep on Ballin

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝

[@spikeboy101]

I think Sam Harris said this (not that I'm a fan, I just like what he said.) He said (loosely) he likes BJJ over debates sometimes. Because in BJJ if you're fucked, you're fucked, if you lost, you lost, you must tap out or else your arm/ankle gets snapped or neck choked out. But in debates even if the other guy lost to the facts, they can just continue to deny, deny deny, use dirty tactics and the audience is too dumb to see it and they'll still think the other guy is right.

[@travismcconnell4451]

I'm trying buy a stax but it said your sold out😢

[@drowningmonday4374]

Same. Tiger fitness posted and said it's a problem with the manufacturing, I hope they get it back in stock soon!

[@yappydabbad9323]

So has Jeff Nippard said Chris is wrong? If not, then what's the point of this video? Sure Mike was wrong but he's one guy and this video is attacking the science based community. He doesn't represent everyone.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

He has co-signed Mike on his platform. A man of science should be mindful of who they promote on their platform. This game is Universal and spiritual first and foremost. Even in trigonometry, we have cosine(co sign). Math is the Universal language.

[@TJ-fu5kr]

No hate , ive been a supporter since the early POG days ...but you came off kinda unhinged and aggressive at times in your debate bro lol. And you kept weirdly calling buddy a "J" for no apparent reason. Mike is cringe af too at times but folks could be ducking you based on how you handled that debate imo. People might not be trying to deal with all that. Just my thought.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I agree; I could have done better. 💯 I’ll do better next time. However, he kept making them silly ass jokes. Beating around the bush too. Jew is not a bad word btw. In ancient times, The Jews had a lot of esoteric knowledge and wisdom. I was hoping that Mike was one of those wise Jews. I definitely should have stayed calm and cool tho. Keep in mind, I expected “a PhD” to be a little more professional. Look at it this way, Did I tell you a lie tho? Remember, I don’t have a PhD and I confidently challenged a PhD. I held my own against a scholar (on camera)and that’s a FACT.💯📝📝

[@SacredPhysiques]

@@BeastmodeJones316DO Not lower your passion (others feel is aggression)... Far too many times men are told to be softer and more "politically correct"... If we are to submit to a construct designed to lower our passion, controlled aggression, thus, a goal of lowering testosterone in todays men.. We are doing it wrong...... I'm not saying be an asshole... but men are barred from being men far too often and asked to be soft..... I speak softly to my kids.... It's not my job in a back-and-forth, to have a weaker tone when conveying thought.

[@spikeboy101]

Everyone knows Mike acts like a child in debates after that one w Greg Doucette years ago.

[@mdsouz4]

@@SacredPhysiques If he follows your advice no one is ever going to reply to any of his debate requests

[@SacredPhysiques]

@@mdsouz4 I clearly stated to not be an asshole.. Which is much different than lowering one's projected passion.

[@RipThaJacka54]

Yo Chris, when you restocking size large on ya coaching site bro.. I need 30 of dem "I'm Bulking Bro" That Legend jone wit Serge Nubret, and ...hell bro I need em all... LARGE B

[@BeastmodeJones316]

We’ll see if the demand is there. Thank you for the support.

[@RipThaJacka54]

@BeastmodeJones316 size Large always sold out bro, that IS the demand! I gotta have that Serge G, and I need it huggin'!!!! HUGGIN'!!!!!! Come thru fa all tha OG's.. hell yeah I been here since PoG too lol.. I got that Black and Gold Pump chasers when she first dropped oooooweeeeeeeeee

[@blurrybuffalo]

Much love brother. Been with you off and on since the Vince days!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Thank you for the longtime support. 💯🤝

[@jrjohnson1991]

Been watching since the POG days, always appreciated your insight. Would love to get a list of books you recommend (hippie included lol).

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Hit me on IG, I can’t be giving all my damn secret to “the world.”💯💎📝📝

[@pauldeol]

Beastmode Jones is always right 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🤝

[@JohnKnight-zz3vx]

Chrissss Bring Back the Og Black and Gold PumpChasers shirt. The one ur rocking at 2:04 but in black/gold. 🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@reflectingwithchrisjones1749]

Ima need you to buy 30 minimum 😂

[@BrownPatriot316]

I still have my original black and gold pump chasers shirt, still in good condition just faded as a mf😂 I need another one too

[@ShadowStyle369]

lol I still have the black and gold short and the stringer… believe it or not I never wore either and got myself out of shape and fat af. Currently working on myself and soon I’ll be rocking them both. 😂😂😂

[@ShadowStyle369]

lol I still have the black and gold shirt and the stringer… believe it or not I never wore either and got myself out of shape and fat af. Currently working on myself and soon I’ll be rocking them both. 😂😂😂

[@gfrankybeats]

Been here since 2014, Chris is like a. big brother to me. And event tho I never met you Chris you are a part of my story.

[@gfrankybeats]

I was 17 back then now I am 27 gonna be a father. Big Love.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I really do appreciate the love, fam.💯🤝

[@jussteve11]

Champ I’ve been a follower since almost the beginning! Back when you use to hit Walmart for your protein! I remember theSwoll Nerd times!!! 😂

[@codyw2300]

I almost forgot about you, God bless you brother

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🙏🤝

[@CrazyMonkey-x4g]

I’ve been following Chris since 2015 and he helped me through the early years tremendously. Over the years he’s been getting more annoying so i have to watch his videos in parts. I still like him and always watch his stuff but in moderation so I don’t get a headache.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

That’s fine. Chris Jones ain’t for everyone. I fuck with the ones that really wanna fuck with me.💯

[@bethany_irl]

loved this

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love💯🤝🏽

[@superfieryphoenix]

No PHD but your results speak for themselves

[@justinparks3312]

Excellent video and content!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🦾🦾

[@chrispowers627]

Man, that outro cold as hell!!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝🤝

[@SLaYeR_32R]

PEEP the YOUNG'NESS in BEASTMODE jones!!! Bring back the Blue PUMPChasers tee!!😂🙌

[@brettwiederkehr386]

my god I remember those POG days I was probably barely in highscool. I remember him always getting clowned in chat for his training and he was always a little awkward, but he didn't seem like a bad dude. That was the Matt Ogus, Tiger Fitness, Rich Piana days.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🦾🦾

[@droopy7049]

This video reminds me of Andre 3K when he says "oh don't be nervous, it's step ur game up time"....keep waking everybody up!!!!!

[@VonDaddy1Chosen]

Chris is a Freaking Diamond for the colored Natty folks!! They still lost! I love it! I worked for the physique and Big Bro Chris gave me all the game! Life changer

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝

[@michaelharris680]

I remember this. I've been riding with you for a long time. Salute.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Time flies💯

[@michaelharris680]

@BeastmodeJones316 facts 👊🏽

[@Hydrolyzedwheyfromasia-r2p]

I remember that video and looking at it again, 14:00 i believe that point was a misunderstanding - he couldn’t see the point you were trying to make and disagreed wit u. I believe if someone else articulated it in a way he could grasp it, he could then agree. Basically having someone feed him the info needed in different words/expression/energy that he could absorb much easier. After all, everyone’s thought processes are different. This is why i believe in the importance of communication and articulation. Not saying Chris is wrong, even I’m slapping my head that Mike couldn’t understand Chris. Anyways Idek why i’m saying all this im lowkey trippin lol

[@BeastmodeJones316]

He clearly tried to use sensory neurons as an explanation for how motor neurons work. That’s on camera! He clearly didn’t understand the difference between an upper motor neuron and a lower motor neuron; for conscious movement. He clearly didn’t fully understand neuromechanics at the time. Hopefully, he knows better now. I actually have some more “false teachings” of his that I can point out as well. Easy money! 💯 📝📝

[@Hydrolyzedwheyfromasia-r2p]

@ mmm i gotchu Chris!

[@Dinowrestler]

2013 I started watching. Back when Lue, the Twins, Elliot, and Spoofy were all on the go.

[@alphaking814]

Late 😂

[@Dinowrestler]

@@alphaking814 better then never

[@BigDoggTheDon]

RIP VInce G. To be honest you were too good to him Chris, can't believe he threw that away

[@flyyandfit]

I remember listening to your debate with Mike and agreeing with your stance about the mind muscle connection. Quite frankly I think Mike under estimated your knowledge and started acting more nonchalant about what was being discussed. Respect to him for at least debating you, but PhD or not the truth is the truth.

[@MatthewSanderson-b7z]

The Chris Jones and Vince G beef of 2015 is forever ingraved on my mind😂

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂

[@humanoidtyphoon998]

Mike competed in a bodybuilding show and he wasnt cut fast foward to today he still aint cut

[@alphaking814]

Channel back jumping ❤

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🤝

[@DnyAln]

I bought the shirt Chris is wearing unfortunately I’m not in good enough shape to wear it it’s extremely fitting exposing your flaws 😭

[@MakinItHappenn]

I hate to say it Chris bro, but I gotta keep it real. And it's probably a subconscious thing. You said if it ain't about the followers, then what is it. It's intimidation. It's your persona. They are scared of that raw authenticity and seeming lack of a filter. All i'm afraid compounded by the colour of your skin and the culture they associate with that colour. (In their eyes) Forget all this woke nonsense. I said it. It's a blend of everything above.

[@reflectingwithchrisjones1749]

🤷🏾‍♂️it’s all good. You could be right. I don’t wanna make any “assumptions” tho. lol

[@aaronjuliusnyc]

my thoughts exactly

[@DMRCapitalHill]

9:14 it’s because they scared of you. Chris you are a metaphysician and when you start speaking that spiritual flow they hate that

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Shit is weird. I just wanna talk. Lol

[@Andrew-of9of]

Watch your stuff all the time

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Thank you

[@tylerthomasfitness]

I’m asking you directly with your name 😂😂😂 love it Chris, keep pushing bro

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝

[@coffeee1109]

Idk why i always remember a video of you eating at a restaurant. You tell Vegan gainz with a funny smirk "Don't be making no more videos about me man" 😂

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I called him, “Hippie Gainz.” 😂

[@coffeee1109]

@BeastmodeJones316 😂😂

[@D.remedy]

Chris hit him with the Mike Jones, "I said," 😂😂

[@phillezeagles123]

Throwback missed eatching you in hs . I dont temember that guys name but I remembered he got lazy and just started using beastmode jones

[@mikesudduth9727]

Love it man

[@CR-ij8qj]

Jones is the TRUTH

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🤝

[@abelaleman2241]

Chris jones the peoples champ!! 🏆

[@BeastmodeJones316]

👑💯🤝🤝

[@gb_the_accuser]

That shirt is Boss Level! I need to get that asap!

[@1MooseyGoosey1]

I think there's a reason that bodybuilders always figure out the "move" and science typically verifies it years and years later.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Keep in mind, the body is very intelligent. As you advance in this game, and connect deeply with your own body; your body literally speaks to you from within. Some of the best tips came from the “bro scientists.” 😂💯🤝🔥

[@1MooseyGoosey1]

@@BeastmodeJones316 Yeah I'm just saying science is good but it's just behind on the scene.

[@BoondocksBangBang]

Damn… nostalgia seeing that video boy.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝

[@hrtlsmoe]

Been around since the pog days, i thought you and vince was a great team. Sorry things did'nt work out but you are doing great, I"m still riding with you.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Thank you!🤝

[@bXbTv1]

The Futurama bit took me out😂

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤣🤣