Slower Negative Reps For More Gainz? | Science Bullies | Mike Israetel The Roid Head & False Teacher

[@NuriahTV]

Moral of the story, do what C.T. Fletcher said… just get in the gym and lift some weights! What ever works for you, just do it!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

"I commamd you to grow." -C.T. Fletcher

[@Beantown85]

@@BeastmodeJones316😅😅

[@k5elevencinc0]

That part! 🔥🔥

[@jaketandurella2227]

Preachhhh

[@wolfmanmorphing]

Chris, I just turned 26 a month ago, and I’ve followed you since i was 13. After seeing all the new bullshit bodybuilding coaches come on since reels, TikTok and shorts got big. I just want to tell you I’m grateful you showed me the ropes as a teenager. The new kids in the gym are being lead astray by the new age roid head teachers. I hope you have a merry Christmas brother.

[@NousoftheSupreme]

Same here brother. Just one year later, one year older. I've always held this man in high regard when it comes to gains. People can't differentiate between advice for roidheads and natural trainees. Everybody trying to act super smart and blame their looks on genetics, meanwhile they look like a sack of sh*t.

[@wolfmanmorphing]

@ yup. We were lucky we had the OG fitness KZbinrs as teachers.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I appreciate this feedback. You peep these new age false teachers. It's part of the game. Keep your "eye" open.😂🤝🏽🤝🏽

[@darien.prince]

Agreed. I learned most of what I know from Chris. Gotten crazy results from it and I'm 25, been watching him since my teen years too

[@jchong416]

The shield thing is just a way to show off the day date?

[@Ironborne]

Slowed reps helped me build bigger biceps. Worked for me. Try what works for you and make a judgement what works for you.

[@gullyblanchard5750]

Thats it? It was just slow reps? Not your diet, progressive overload, recovery etc 😂. You need to really think out what you say before pressing send.

[@omarcarranza215]

Naa, more sets, reps did

[@stephenbeary7887]

@@gullyblanchard5750 slowing down reps is a type of progressive overload, genius

[@Ironborne]

@@gullyblanchard5750 yeh, literally slow reps. I was doing supinated bicep curls with 28kg each hand. Did slowed reps of 5-10 seconds. I’m talking eccentric 5-10s, concentric 5-10s and that was just one repetition. I did it for 5-12 reps for each arm in one set. I was 16yo then as well. 28kg=61lbs

[@Ironborne]

@@omarcarranza215 nah, it did not.

[@QueLoKevin]

The best part about having all you guys having different takes on workouts is that I have an endless variety from watching everyone, and I can pick and choose from each person what works best for me. That being said Chris Jones is my fitness king. Been watching since the early days of PoG. I still quote "stretch the shit out of them!" and "squeeeeeze" to this day

[@BeastmodeJones316]

👑🤝🏽💪🏾

[@jogon9649]

heavy weights, slow negatives and drop sets has been my physique changing holy trinity

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@Gratefully-]

Chris always like “I’m about to go” then it’s halfway through the video 🤣

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤷‍♂️😭😭

[@mr350znismo7]

I saw that too, but let him cook 😅

[@pjuzzell]

Yall all buff as shit so it seems to me like the main shit everyone has in common is hitting the gym and going hard

[@olig7336]

You are right! Its not rocket science

[@terrancelee6030]

You're pretty much right, just different ways of going about it...

[@juicemanofficial6151]

Yeah but they all, Chris included, are egotistical as fuck and wanna turn it into a dick measuring contest of whose methodology is the most superior approach to bodybuilding coaching

[@BeastmodeJones316]

We have things in common. We have some things that are NOT in common. That life.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@juicemanofficial6151 yes; I have an ego, and I have a PhD(pretty huge di*k).

[@bhoyminoy6860]

That’s the thing about science, the consensus is constantly changing. Mike is a PhD in sports science the literal definition of an expert.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

"Experts" lose some.of their credibility when they spew lies on camera; especially if they don't take accountability. He also blamed a bad tan on his bad show placing. Experts in the world of bodybuilding knowledge, should know how to get conditioned.

[@SheriffShrimp]

Used to watch you long ago on physiques of greatness, glad to see you’re still killing it!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love. Keep pumping💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@Tay_Yolo]

Jeff Nippard hasn't done anything wrong. I've been following his advice and see only positive results. People at my gym have told me they like my physique. Jeff was literally under attack when a confirmed roid user assaulted him at the gym. In his latest video he simply added nuance to claims that people were clearly over exaggerating for the sake of spiting his information. I see people against the science and most of the time they just ego lift while hopped up on pre-workout. To each their own, though.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

For the most part, I enjoy some of Jeff's content. Jeff was wrong about slower negatives building more muscle, but he corrected himself. As for Mike Israetel, he has several videos critiquing other influencers, so it's only fair to send some criticism his way from time to time; especially if he's objectively wrong. In the future, this video will age very well. The truth is undefeated.

[@toowild6628]

@@BeastmodeJones316It’s not clear to me that Jeff ever said that slow negatives build more muscle than controlled negatives. It’s possible he did at some point but I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say that.

[@chrisfit365]

The reason why Chris is the best trainer is because he only speaks when he knows he is right on something. He's also willing to change his mind if he is presented new facts. Notes from the Goats 🐐

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Absolutely, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong about something. I'm here to glorify the truth, and provide value. I don't want to misinform my supporters. 🤝🏽💯

[@Quawnn]

I just want to put this out about the massage point. For the past year and a half, i’ve been battling tooth and nail with an imbalance and nagging pain on the entire left side posterior chain that has limited a lot of range of motion and muscle contraction in my back. I do a ton of flexibility and mobility work. I was getting to the point where I thought this was a legit muscle injury, possible tear in my lower back. I don’t ego lift or anything, and I focus on form over weight so I was confused. My issue is that I don’t know when to take deloads and will push through because I love the gym. I even went to the chiropractor and got an adjustment but the relief was short lived. This last week, I finally went and got a legit deep tissue 90 minute massage. That massage fixed about 80% of the pain and lack of ROM just like that. Massages absolutely work for recovery.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

There is a reason this works. Massage is an ancient practice. There are so many things that can benefit us lifters that are being overlooked.💯🤝🏽

[@WackNoir]

Bro try a cbd thc cream if legal for areas that are hurting for you. Then stretch those areas. It should help w inflammation/super tight muscles and aches and maybe help you diagnose what’s really going on

[@Istoppedaging]

Would love to know what type of mobility you tried because I doubt you tried it all. Not even trying to knock you. You realize your diet can lead to horrible nagging pain & inflammation too and not knowing how to program accordingly. There's a reason why they say food is medicine. I'm 33 and was battling the WORST type of pains and what helped me was fixing my diet and the 'right' mobility for me. Not saying massages are bad, but from what I've seen, the only people who should get massages are mass monsters. The bigger you are, the less mobility you're going to have in general so doing the right stretches/mobility every week can save you from having to spend extra $$ and especially with everything costing so much damn $$. I'm glad to hear it helped though boss!

[@Quawnn]

@ i tried everything, I read the supple leopard, the ultimate self help guide for joint pains, along with rebuilding Milo. I foam roll,I have a a pre and post workout routine that involves static stretching and mobility exercises that I got from my other coach, Ben Patrick. I also worked a PT that works with the Denver bronoc/nuggets briefly and my strategy was approved by him. My lifting programming is solid, Chris made it for me when he was my coach. My diet is impeccable, I eat nothing but clean Whole Foods and drink plenty of water. I also do hot epson salt baths 2 times a week along with vitamin supplementation. Massages aren’t only for mass monsters, there is a reason why almost every elite level athlete gets them. You can easily tweak a muscle and lose range of motion. My program is elite because I learned from the best, Chris jones. I’m a student of the game and study this religiously, I just slept on getting real deep tissue massages and the importance of myofascial release.

[@rbrowning008]

if you bust your ass in a 5-15 rep range you are gonna get jacked. auto regulate dont be stupid. this industry exists for no reason

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@m.j.5681]

For real, these science bros are freaking annoying.

[@abahas9371]

Chris you've been authentic since day one. Keep up the good work.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💎🤝🏽💪🏾

[@JonniShreve]

The “science based” mainly dr mike just co-sign each other! Greg coached himself only, I coached myself to a top 5 master Olympia placing! I’ve been coached by some of the IFBB best coached. dr Mike CANT coach himself and the only reason he has results is cuz he’s on gear. Nothing against users but take that away from him…. It’s not a good sight! I’ve been off for 3 years!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

He exposed himself when he revealed his prep diet vlog. He also exposed himself when he blamed his lack of conditioning on his "tan." 😂

[@hoops133]

@jonnishreve I thought y’all were cool? lol just wondering bc i saw a few video collabs between you and dr mike

[@chasemybooty2817]

@@hoops133 theres a trend in that observation from what ive also seen

[@JonniShreve]

​@@hoops133 Don’t mistake calling out people’s BS for beef! It’s a common misunderstanding on social media. My brother works with me, and I call him out, and he calls me out about real-life stuff. I love my brother, and it’s never beef. Unfortunately, on these platforms, people think that just because you have opposing views or call out BS, it means there’s beef. No beef, fam. Appreciate the comment though!

[@hoops133]

@@JonniShreveI get what you mean. Preciate the clarification!

[@likkledee3]

I agree, Chris. Some of the "enhanced" science-based guys complicate building muscle as pretext for the "supplements" they use. You broke it down well.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@smakabigmac]

Just another ROID head hiding behind science. Had me dying 😂

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂😂

[@schwibz]

I always scroll thru comments at the start of the video, and this one def gonna make me watch the full thing😂

[@iamme4494]

@@BeastmodeJones316he’s miles Israel is also racist

[@kloogyB33]

It’s the truth. Nippard is not natty. They’re marketing and attention experts.

[@FFmaxxx]

Jeff roid head? Since when?

[@zjord108]

Chris Jones you are the original Online PT. Grateful to learn from the likes of you, matt, lavado when i was coming up in the game. Most of the hippie science trainers now are charging 4 figures for online PT! You gave us so much game for free

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Numners don't like. I've been sharing gems for years. I'm happy to be of service to my loyal supporters.💯💎🤝🏽

[@Unknown31212]

Chris coming with that sword of truth.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Blazing hot sword😂🔥🔥🔥

[@swaggalikechrist]

I love how you keep the receipts even on yourself lol. This style of video is the best you do imo

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Gotta keep those receipts.😂💯🤝🏽

[@3-dreticle826]

Bro science has always been ahead of the real science

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯💪🏾💪🏾

[@bigal5712]

I started my lifting in 1985 playing HS football. And we learned way back then that it was about controlling negative, this is not new. By doing this from the beginning I got really strong and big, left HS in 1989 Bench pressing 450 lbs. I was 280lbs and could do 100 pushups straight. All using this control the negative principle. My coaches thought I was on roids. LOL

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Some of these "science" based guys are trying to reinvent the wheel. lol

[@stepaniss]

Merry Christmas to you Chris appreciate you bro.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🎄🤝🏽

[@clemondbrown]

When are your supplements back in stock? And your apparel?

[@goingcommando408]

Right! Ima waiting for the stronger hoodies to come back out again! It’s been years 😢

[@clemondbrown]

@goingcommando408 I want those "I'm bulking bro" joints. 🤣

[@solomoncooper6491]

This! I wanna support him!

[@olig7336]

Chris

[@BeastmodeJones316]

We working on some things behind the scenes. We plan to come back better than ever.

[@lionelgonzalez8375]

Remember seeing you at a 24hr when I was 14 and thought "damn, thats Chris Jones" I'm 24 now, and I'm happy to see you still grinding and still being you.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Time flies💯🤝🏽

[@Pieter_Lion]

I love how you’ve always stayed true to yourself and stayed consistent with your believes and principles. You’re one of the first fitness infuencers ive followed since starting 13 years ago and im so thankful dude. I wish more people knew about you. I wonder if physiques of greatness never fell apart where it would be right now. Thank you bro!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I would love to be more famous. I want the world to know my name, and by my books. Share my videos!!! All jokes aside. It's not about the fame for me. I want real supporters. Supporters help you build your dream. Supporters help you grow your brand. Viewers tend to just watch.

[@Pieter_Lion]

@ true words, but your advice is unvaluable. And everyone about this lifestyle should hear about it. Especially people new to fitness. Fyi i bought a tank top of yours many years back which I still wear. Its very durable!

[@havocsquaddropout6681]

Fun fact, Hippocrates thought hair was hallow and filled with semen. Maybe you shouldn't reference him as an authority.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Fun fact, Issac Newton got some things wrong about gravity. Are we going to disregard ALL of his teachings?🤔 Hippocrates was ahead of his time. The purpose of sharing his quote was just to display that "massages" have been benefitting people for thousands of years; even outside of the bodybuilding/sports world. Massages for recovery/health benefits is nothing new and it still works today. "Nothing is new under the sun."🌞📝

[@havocsquaddropout6681]

@@BeastmodeJones316 Why don't you give the same charity to Mike and Jeff then?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@@havocsquaddropout6681Jeff and Mike are still alive. They are still in the game feeding people with information. Their legacies are still being built. Their stories are still being written. I'm playing the game. The future generations will know who was speaking facts; one way or another. The NUMBERS won't lie.

[@qwerty-rh6ht]

these kinds of argument-twisters are exactly what you'd expect from mike's stans

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@@qwerty-rh6htNotice, I still answered this person's questions. As long as there is respect, we can talk and get down to the logic and the numbers. Lol

[@vladfather916]

Try doing slow and controlled negative to start your set and then 5 faster tempo to finish. Crazy pump

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@IIG]

Chris has to be the last person you want after your head. There's no let up at all. Chris is one of the most knowledgeable lifters/trainers on KZbin. I learned that years ago, but he doesn't seem to get that respect. I also don't doubt that he is being ducked for debates. He knows his shit, people don't want any part of that.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I don't need their respect. I'm here to make money and be of service to the ones that really support me. Besides, one day people will look back and see who was speaking real game to the people. The numbers will be undeniable.💯

[@anthonyb.stewartjr.6724]

Anyone know what's happened to the pump chasers brand like I can't find the gym bag or shaker bottle anywhere

[@BeastmodeJones316]

We have been selling training gear and supps. I would like to get back into clothing if the demand (and support) is still there.

[@anthonyb.stewartjr.6724]

@BeastmodeJones316 thanks for the reply fam I'm sure all your merch will sell out no doubt I'd like to get some of the clothing as well also what's up with the gaf whey and some of the other supplements is it being reformulated I'm trying to grab 30 of them chocolate malt flavor

[@DevScents]

Love this video. I'm with you 100% on every point you made. Merry Christmas/Happy Holjdays! Much love from Seattle! 🤟😎🤟

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love fam🤝🏽

[@andrewluk4327]

I'm def seeing some people focusing way too much on science based lifting. This is coming from a Kinesiology major who wants to get into research. For example, this young guy at the gym I work at will literally debate and ruminate on the science behind lifting more than actually lifting. Also, the scientific literature constantly changes. ANYONE who speaks about strength training in absolutes is probably talking with their ego. Strength training and bodybuilding has some serious gaps in the literature. 9/10 the answer to most scientific lifting topics is that we really don't know, but we have some idea based on historical/anecdotal empirical evidence and limited scientific literature. That being said, because the scientific literature constantly changes, it seems a little overlysimplistic to label Dr. Mike as a charlatan. I also don't think a Dr. Mike has ever preached anything thats actually harmful.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Saying grounding doesn't work is actually blasphemy. Period!

[@319jmp]

@@BeastmodeJones316 you are making lots of claims without actually backing it up with anything. There is no conclusive, scientific evidence that grounding works and more rigorous, large-scale research is needed to validate these claims. While some initial studies on grounding suggest potential benefits such as reduced inflammation, improved sleep, pain relief, and stress reduction, the evidence so far has been limited by small sample sizes, identified funding biases, and a lack of long-term data. Some observed effect were also determined to stem from the placebo effect and other psychological benefits of engaging with nature.

[@Xalashaska]

@@BeastmodeJones316it’s bullshit Chris be real, talking about hippy shit 🥴

[@MisterDenmark405]

The chain is 🔥 bro. 💪🏼 Thanks for another awesome video keep up the good work man love the channel.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love fam💯🤝🏽

[@oppermanfitness]

The homie Chris Jones always talking the truth. 👊

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝🏽💪🏾

[@Egoliftdaily]

I disagree, Chris... You the original Fitness Influencer with a PhD for real - a Pimpin' Hos Degree! 👌

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Hoe Ready University 😂

[@kenduejones]

Facts 💯 ​@@BeastmodeJones316

[@flaffa4837]

The margin of science-based principles can never outweigh effort in the gym, or a good plan based on ur specific needs and enjoyment. You can do all the flatbench laying curls with tiny weights you want, but if you dont have healthy habits outside of the gym, wtf are you doing.

[@dee556]

Science based habits coming soon

[@BeastmodeJones316]

People had incredible physiques long before all this "science based" stuff. They figured out that this is a "discipline," so it's comes with a lifestyle too.

[@Tay_Yolo]

Bro Jeff Nippard was wom his IFBB Pro card as a natural. And has been training for 20 years. His parents were are also very athletic. He only RECENTLY incorporated the science behind why workouts are effective. Otherwise he's known what works and what doesn't. If I'm reading what you've typed correctly, if someone goes in to the gym, disregards the science behind the workouts and just starts lugging weights around but shows effort in doing so, they will see satisfactory results? Science is the WHY behind what works.

[@BOOSHAGGY]

“The truth is undefeated!”

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🌞💯

[@baustin2402]

Always solid info... 👌 Thanx, fam 🙏

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love🙏💪🏾🤝🏽

[@xavihuerta3611]

Hey Chris are you ever gonna drop merch again like back in the old days?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤔🤔🤔only if the demand is there.

[@functionalaestheticse.c.8953]

Chris Jones. Ha ha! Very first fitness KZbinr I came accross back in the day. Nice to see you are still making videos.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@WillieSaxo-c7e]

I gotta commend Chris on his video archiving skills. Bro can literally go back any number of years and find his exact clip lol. Impressive af

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂💯🤝🏽

[@acirka]

O.G of fitness right here! Mike's physic is simply the opposite of what is inspiring...phd or not.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

👑💪🏾

[@TheMakki]

Mike also only eats supplements and not real food. It's slop

[@molasorrosalom4846]

He has "water" in his love handles bruh. 😂

[@mynameisjeff830]

Beastmode Jones gave zero F's as a Christmas gift 😂😂😂. I love it when these false teachers get called out

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Zero fucks🤣💯💯🤝🏽🤝🏽

[@nate4nate5]

Fact is I don't listen to drug using lifters vs actual NATURAL lifters because the results will vary bottom line, shout out to Chris been doin this ish since the book of Genesis.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯🤝🏽💪🏾

[@seangamblin1717]

Where did you get the haile selassie shirt? that’s fire I need that

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I made it myself about a year ago.🤝🏽🔥

[@anbs1682]

Great content. 🏆

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@draleigh8881]

Kali you got titties! shit got me crackin up! hahah

[@oppermanfitness]

🤣 I mean he did that video footage doesn’t lie haha

[@BeastmodeJones316]

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[@bigbrotherfatherfigure]

Breaking up fascia and creating blood flow makes Massages a great thing for recovery in bodybuilding.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Fascia is overlooked big time in the lifting community.🤝🏽💪🏾

[@floww88]

So how does the TRUCK LOOK?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

It should be coming out the shop soon

[@anime130]

I’m depressed so my focus is on the negatives and I have multiple failures on my sets.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Mental health is overlooked by many lifters. How we feel internally matters too.

[@rayrod4218]

Hello Chris, do you train professional athletes such as NFL players or possibly any team USA athletes besides bodybuilders? Thank you.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I just help get people in shape. I also do consulting/life coaching. Some people need someone to talk to that wil give them unbiased feedback.

[@rayrod4218]

@BeastmodeJones316 Hey, thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I do understand that one minute of your time is about a few hundred thousand dollars respectfully (not a joke)

[@rayrod4218]

​@@BeastmodeJones316 I recommend reading million dollar coaching by Alan Weiss and Marketing to the affluent by Dan s. kennedy.

[@JamesMccain-h4m]

All of it works . Every body always saying their way works u just gotta find what works best for you . All these studies are not done on everyone in the world.

[@grumblydoore8551]

I’ve taken some tips from Jeff and learned about forearm training from Chris Jones mostly general knowledge, but everything else has been self taught through trial and error. For me, these videos are mostly entertainment. When I want to improve something like form, I turn to the science behind it. A lot of people act like their method is the ‘right’ one, but a critical mind can find flaws in almost anything and have a debate about it. “People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do”. - Isaac Asimov “Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu

[@gullyblanchard5750]

There are fundamental principles that need to be followed in order for anything to really work in bodybuilding. So saying anything works is only true if you are sticking to principles such as progressive overload, diet, recovery etc. No amount of slow negatives will work in spite of those thing s.

[@originalman8906]

Everything doesn’t work cause if it did everyone would be in shape and look phenomenal but that’s not reality.

[@joshuapeek9555]

They’re also done for barely 8-12 weeks Who th is only going to train for 8-12 weeks? What about how to train for the next 30-50 years

[@toowild6628]

I don’t think your assumptions about why Jeff responded to Mike Van Wyck but not to Greg Doucette were fair. Direct response videos are not really Jeff’s style in general, so it makes sense that he hasn’t made a bunch of response videos to Greg. Mike Van Wyck was an exception, probably because a) the disagreement between Mike and Jeff was relevant to the core of Jeff’s approach and philosophy, b) it was indicative of broader sentiments that Jeff probably wanted to address, c) Mike posed a question to science-based lifters, which might’ve made Jeff want to answer it, and b) in addition to the other points, Mike basically called Jeff “mediocre” and a “scammer” (or at least whoever wrote the text in the video did) and has insulted Jeff in the past (albeit indirectly). There are other factors that could also be at play, so to say that Jeff only (or mostly) responded to Mike just to win and be a “bully” is pretty unfair. Also, Jeff actually has responded to Greg before, just not as a direct response video (indirectly in the RPE/AthleanX video and directly in the comment section).

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Mike Van Wyck didn't say Jeff's name when he dissed those "science based lifters. Therefore, Jeff did NOT have to reply publicly. He could have ignored Mike but he chose not to. Greg said Jeff's name and his girlfriends name, numerous times on videos. Jeff conveniently ignored Greg. Most men would agree that Greg's vids (about Jeff and Steph) were worse than Mike's one video. That says a lot about Jeff and his boundaries.📝📝 Again, I believe Greg was just too much for Jeff to handle, so he decided to ignore him. That's kinda smart. Jeff clearly knows his limits. Also, Greg had a lot of passionate fans that will troll his opponents, so I'm sure that most people (like Jeff) don't want to deal with that type of heat either. Ignoring Greg is best in order to avoid public embarrassment and excess trolling. Jeff can choose to publicly respond to whoever he wants.🤷‍♂️ Based off the facts, Jeff decided to stand up to Mike because it wasn't too much of a "mental" challenge for him. Mike still assaulted Jeff in-person tho (on camera). That's kinda embarrassing! I personally don't want to get beaten up on camera for the whole world (and my family) to see, so maybe Jeff should have ignored Mike like he ignored Greg. lol📝📝📝

[@toowild6628]

@@BeastmodeJones316 There are multiple reasons why Jeff might've responded to Mike but not Greg. I don't think it's fair to assume that it was just because Mike seemed like an easier target than Greg. For example, you brought up Greg talking about Jeff's girlfriend. It's ironic that you brought that up because I'd argue that in itself might've made Jeff less inclined to give Greg attention. It might've caused him to not take Greg seriously as someone to engage with publicly. I actually did think about that when writing my initial comment but I decided that it was too speculative to include. Jeff runs an educational science-based fitness channel. It's not a drama channel, so it makes sense that he wouldn't have a bunch of videos responding to Greg Doucette talking about his girlfriend. It wouldn't exactly fit, would it? It especially wouldn't fit given that Jeff spends lots of time making high-quality videos that only come out every few weeks. It would be kind of weird if he went out of his way to instead make response videos about drama. The response to Mike Van Wyck fit the channel because it was a brief video that defended the core of Jeff's channel and approach. Just because Mike didn't name Jeff explicitly doesn't mean that it didn't make sense for Jeff to respond. And just because he responded to Mike but not Greg doesn't mean that he only did it because Mike was an easy target. Finally, you argue that Jeff should have ignored Mike to save himself the embarrassment of being assaulted. First of all, I don't think the situation was ultimately that "embarrassing" for Jeff - most of the online fitness community rallied behind him. Secondly, how was Jeff supposed to know that Mike would respond violently to Jeff calmly disagreeing with him? That's an insane response. Thirdly, this statement promotes the mentality that people shouldn't be able to disagree with each other without fear of physical violence. Unacceptable. That's an anti-discourse, anti-free-speech mindset. Fourthly, it's interesting that you ended the comment with "lol" after talking about Jeff getting assaulted and saying that he shouldn't have addressed Mike. You can clarify if I'm getting the wrong idea, but If you think that Mike assaulting Jeff was in any way justified then you are WRONG.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@toowild6628 Keep in mind, I have dm's and screenshots, so I most likely know things (about these influencers) that you don't. I know for a FACT that some of these guys only respond publicly to others influencers when they are very confident. lol Your comments show bias towards Jeff. That's fine!📝🤷‍♂️ We can respectfully agree to disagree on this topic. My thoughts on this are still the same. Like I said earlier, Jeff should have just ignored Mike. Jeff should have stayed "consistent" with his past actions, and ignored Mike; just like he clearly ignored Greg numerous times. However, if you want to debate me (on this topic) on camera, I'm down. Shoot me a dm @BeastmodeJones. We can make it happen this week. I would like to do this asap if you are interested. Bring your facts and ill bring mine too. We can let the people decide who's right and who's wrong. It will be fun. I'll articulate my points and dive MUCH DEEPER into this topic, if you show up for the debate. Let's make the debate happen asap. I'm hungry for a good debate. Topics: -Why do we "think" Jeff ignored Greg numerous times, but publicly responded to Mike Van Wyck instead? -Mike or Greg, Which man dissed Jeff the worse (on camera)? -Would ignoring Mike have been the overall wiser decision for Jeff? -Does Jeff care more about publicily defending the "science based community" versus defending himself and his own girlfriend? This will be fun. Shoot me a dm TODAY, if you are interested for a respectful debate. This can be enlightening for many men and women. I want to dive deep.💯📝

[@BigDaddyPump33]

​@toowild6628 Debate Jones. Make it happen.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@@BigDaddyPump33I stay ready.🤝🏽💯

[@TroutButter]

15:55 TIDDIES!!! lmao

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂😂😂😂

[@Abelvilla91]

Docette is a character, but that MF knows his stuff. He can back up his words. People shy away from that.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Greg ain't perfect. We all have our flaws, but he knows bodybuilding. I still don't agree with that "maingaining" shit tho. We've spoken about it a few times. We can just agree to disagree on that shit. lol

[@trapps75]

He doesn't know that much he's a.bozo the clown when your on steroids everything works in the gym remember that

[@24kbrown22]

Bro , brought out the herringbone necklace 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@BeastmodeJones316]

👑🤝🏽🤝🏽💪🏾

[@nathanielmedina9166]

There’s already been a study done on roid users they gave a group of them roids and made them sit at home and not workout and they grew more muscle than the naturals that were working out after 10 weeks or so lol. The point is people that are on roids will grow doing whatever workout they want it don’t work like that for nattys

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Roids are a cheat code. That's backed by "science." 😂

[@robertopalacio8640]

What do think about controlled negative with a static holds sometimes?Just want to hear your opinion on it.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I think there are benefits to all of the intensity principles. I personally think Isometrics are being overlooked.

[@Chicogre]

I've been using Mikes app for almost a year, and following for almost the same time. Neves seen better results in my life. The reason people follow him is because he is actually a pretty good teacher. I don't agree with him in many of the things he says some times, but in the end, I see results. The advice he gives on training and dieting are good and easy to understand, that's what makes him great and the reason everyday he has more followers. Anyone can have a different opinion.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

He also has folllwers because understands marketing. He also seems to be pretty funny. However, he has "unapologetically" said things (on camera) that are not true. People with large platforms/influence on other souls must be held accountable when they say things that are not true. As a teacher, you are responsible for leading any soul astray. Nobody is off limits when it comes to online criticism. The TRUTH actually matters much more than followers. That is a Universal fact.

[@ChahilAthletics]

I just saw your debate with Mike Israetel and it's aging like fine wine. Reason being new studies are showing glutes work best in the shortened position so hip thrusts are actually UNDERRATED.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

The TRUTH is fuckin undefeated. I'm just a messenger.🤣💯📝📝

[@glenn_outof_ten]

Lyle McDonald doesn't have a PhD, only a Bachelors.

[@ResistanceQuest]

Man that opening jingle makes me so nostalgic for when I was just getting into fitness in 2009/2010 watching POG

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🎼🎼💪🏾🤝🏽

[@MilanStarec]

Mike didnt say that slow negativs grows more muscle he said that it is good for reminding of keeping the tension on the muscle while training and also good for protecting from injuries

[@qwerty-rh6ht]

he's just flip-flopping

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Here are the FACTS: Jeff is the one that said (on camera) that slower negatives can possibly give us more hypertrophy. He changed his stance after the recent study came out. Mike Israetel is the one that promoted "loaded stretching" on camera as a way to get more growth.

[@Khasar816]

I find science based lifting to be exhausting and so played out. Science based lifting sucks all of the fun of training and boils it down to a bunch of pseudo intellectual bullshit. Ive been watching you since i was 15 and i turned 30 this year. I learned from you back then that all that matters is consistency and discipline. These science based lifters get so busy looking at the trees they cant even see the forest.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Consistency and discipline will take you far. Don't gotta be a damn scientist to get in shape naturally. lol

[@molasorrosalom4846]

I saw the latest video between Mike and LeanBeefPatty, and he had her balancing dumbells on her shoulders and doing like a slow squat. I mean....... Who's going to do this???.

[@trainingwithcj]

I love Mikey Izzy man :( settle it with influencer boxing 👀

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I ain't hard to reaching. Pay me! I ain't doing any of that jujitsu stuff tho.

[@Mic.Knowledge]

POG always been the #1 trusted source

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love fam💯🤝🏽

[@Biqnutz]

Chris bro not tryna be disrespectful but what happened to Soc walker? could u do a video about thst?

[@finestnostalgia]

He's back in prison

[@jameelbuggs5592]

​@finestnostalgia what? Wow

[@BeastmodeJones316]

He locked up

[@Biqnutz]

@ damn man sry about that thx 4da response Merry Christmas

[@kelo1886]

Chris been here since POG bruh im glad youve dis fire in ya pause 😂😂 Im in a new stage life got a fam now love seeing the hunger mane im on the same shit missed a few shots but i get it now!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🏽💪🏾

[@brucebutler8905]

That was a great point about Mike and how he didn’t say Jeff’s name and how Jeff would never touch a Greg video.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Greg poked at Jeff's girlfriend (and him too) numerous times on KZbin. Jeff never responded, but Jeff decides to respond to Mike Van Wyck over one silly video. His name wasn't mentioned. It would have been smarter for Jeff to ignore Mike. He clearly ignored Greg, so he could have ignored Mike, too. Some people only stand up for themselves when they feel like they can win. lol Notice, Mike attacked Jeff in the gym. That physical attack most likely would have never happened, if Jeff never decided to make that video about Mike. It's science!😂

[@christophertoombs4110]

"Science based" lifting wasn't really discussed until this new era of influencers. Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, C.T., and even Arnold weren't worried about the science. They all worked hard for the results they wanted. Agreed, control the weights and you will see the work pay off.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

The best bodies tend to come from guys who are in the gym and mastering their craft; not from guys in the lab. We will eventually figure out how our own bodies work, once we gain enough experience in the field. It's science! 😂

[@musclesmurf8528]

I like the thought of Chris calling Mike Israetel a roid head. Hoping someone else uses the time to suggest Chris was or ever is on drugs (again, & with put proof of course). That wuld be final great debate.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Anyone that users their tongue to lie on me, I pray that The Universe gives me my swift justice. This GAME is energy based. Some people must learn the hard way..🙏🌞💯

[@Yaiden050]

The MAN, The Myth… Chris Jones!!!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤝🏽💪🏾

[@GrandmasterFerg]

When I was coaching I'd always say it's about controlling the weight, not the weight controlling you. And that you should utilize your muscle, not gravity haha

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💯💪🏾

[@mp68golfer]

What i love is that people dont wanna say your a science bodybuilding info dropping cat, when you are. You just dont act entitled.. cuz you cant debate if you dont know shit, and yes you have YEARS of anecdotal evidence but judging by all those books in the background youre pretty learned as well. Stay up and true... the first cat i followed on YT.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

There is a science to everything, so you can get facts anywhere. I ask "these experts" for live debates for a reason. The light of truth is very powerful; especially if you know how to use it. lol

[@mp68golfer]

@@BeastmodeJones316 preach on

[@jaydailydetailer]

What power rack could you recommend from Amazon? I’m thinking rit fit

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I gotta see pics

[@garrybutler6598]

This is off subject but how do you feel about peptides?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

It takes decades of research to truly know if something is an overall net positive or a net negative.

[@besupremefitness8107]

I thought it was guna be your old video of you talking about concentric parts of reps and how it’s hard to believe you build more muscle with the eccentric. One of my favorites lol 💪🏻

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Thank you for the long time support.🤝🏽💯💪🏾

[@Grundy666]

Hey Chris you are such a dominant fitness teacher

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💪🏾🤝🏽

[@reuterss306]

Well the thing is: "optimal" training is just a minor chance to increase hypertrophy for the average person. Imho many people benefit more from doing exercises they like and have fun with. And I wish more people would use slower negatives, it can really help avoiding injuries...again especially for the average person. With the science guys its like with ALL other dudes who give fitness advice, and at least in videos I watched Mike also states the same: You have to try it for yourself. Everyone is different, everyone responds different and besides some training principles, which are pretty much carved in stone, you have to find what works for you personally. I have watched so many videos of Mike and imho the one thing that should really be considered by everyone is to emphasize the stretch of the muscle under load...at least its my anecdotal experience that this was the factor that gave me some more progress after I seemed to reach my genetic limit 10 years ago. :D Dont watch fitness and bb content to find a strict guideline of what to do, but use it as inspiration to try new stuff, structure your next mesocycle etc etc. (sry english isnt my first language, but I hope anyone who read this got my point)

[@BeastmodeJones316]

In my opinion, the best training advice is already out. The legends of the past already gave us great training advice. People were already getting in shape before all this science based hype. As a fan of natural bodybuilding content, I would like to see more entertainment in the natural bodybuilding community. We could use more inspiration and "personality." As you see, I was already talking about controlling the negative back in 2015' The "science" is still behind on training information. It will take many years for science to catch up. Them studies cost money and take time to produce. With that said, people should train hard, safe and do what they enjoy. If you don't enjoy your training, you won't stay in the gym longterm anyway. This is why I believe we could use more motivation online. Training is not very complicated.

[@reuterss306]

​@@BeastmodeJones316 True, but I think it's also human nature to try to improve things. I think it's quite normal that many people always try to find something that is “better”, even though 99% of these people should probably focus on more important aspects of their training. In the end, content is also about what gets clicked. That's why videos like “the best back training” or “the 3 best biceps exercises” are usually the videos with the most clicks. But to be fair this has been going on at least since the late 80s (here in germany), back then you had another new miracle workout routine or supplement in the magazines every month. :D So yeah, even though I like RPs channel because I personally find Mike very entertaining, I also miss some pure bb motivation. Like I did not agree with CT Fletchers workout methods, but damn he got me motivated shouting right in my face. :D Especially when you get older, you have to find ways to motivate yourself from time to time.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@reuterss306 yea I agree with you. Although we have good training info available to us, we should always aim to improve and increase our level of understanding. We just need a nice balance of "art and science." I would love to see a little more art, since bodybuilding is supposed to be an art form. I would also love to see more raw motivation based content too. 💯🤝🏽

[@yappydabbad9323]

Chris I love you but what exactly is the issue? Nippard can respond to anyone he wants. He can debate anyone he wants. After all these videos do you really believe he'll want to interact with you?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Jeff and I have spoken many times, off camera. Jeff wouldn't even respond to Greg, so I highly doubt he wants a back and forth with me.💯 For the record, I can call out whoever the hell I want. Period! These "science based people" don't have to repond to me publicly. My truthful message will still get out. The truth is undefeated. I don't need a public response from anyone because the LIGHT OF TRUTH is powerful enough by itself. However, I'm always down for a live debate because the truth doesn't hide from anyone. 💯🌞📝📝

[@yappydabbad9323]

@ you’re right you have a right to do what you want. Call anybody out you want. But in your video you question why Jeff and others won’t debate you. Could it be that they don’t like you given these videos you make publicly calling them out.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@@yappydabbad9323The truth doesn't care about your feelings, so I don't really care what they like or how they feel. Besides, these guys don't pay my bills, so their feelings don't matter to me that much either. As long as I'm not using my platform to lie on anybody, there shouldn't be any issues with my message. Freedom of speech is very legal. It's "science!"📝📝

[@j.s1805]

I prefer Scientology based lifting. I'm going clear 😄

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂

[@raulrobles2961]

What do you think about Ray mentzer workouts?

[@BeastmodeJones316]

When it comes to the training philosophy of Mike and Ray, just take the meat and leave the bones.

[@rd8081]

11:56 is this your king 💯💯💯

[@rd8081]

And grounding definitely works but what do I know😂😂

[@BeastmodeJones316]

👑🤣🤝🏽

[@AnnoyedGlobe-sf9yo]

Ive learnt a lot from Mike, this was bad taste.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

If you want to defend this false teacher. Shoot me a dm. We can do a live debate. You don't have to be famous to debate me. Just show your face. The TRUTH doesn’t hide.💯

[@yanislav16]

Chris, remember Ian McCarthy the Science Guy from back in a day? He was the OG Science Dude 😅.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I remember him. I saw right thru him back then, too. lol

[@yanislav16]

@ Talking about him… I just looked him up. His life turned upside down. He got a DUI, drug use, homelessness and mental illness. Very sad. Glad to see you being successful in the fitness industry.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

​@@yanislav16 I'm not surprised at all. He was using "science" as a way to poke at people online to get attention. People like that tend to get what's coming to them; one way or another. This game is energy based. Nothing is new under the sun.🌞💯

[@fsufan]

you are one of realist OG fitness guys on you tube, respect

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🫡🤝🏽

[@JohnnyTHuynh]

I rock with you Beast Mode !! Lolol been here since the ghetto spatula days lmfao

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Much love fam! Thanks for watching.🤝🏽💯

[@GabrielGuzman18]

Big bro Jones keeping it real since the beginning! May the Lord bring prosperity to your business and health and happiness to you and your family. 🙏🏽 Merry Christmas!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Thank you for the kind message.

[@thepgguy.9343]

ok for 1 year my chest wasn't growing and i was going heavy on bench press dumbell press and i changed my training style to machine and slow negatives and my chest grew double as compared to heavy lifts heyy moral of the story do what works for you the best

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Your body is a living organism, so figuring out what it "responds" the best to is another part of the game.

[@thepgguy.9343]

@@BeastmodeJones316 not to mention my joints feel fantastic i have better ROM with better MMC and god i no longer have the shoulder pain so it's a complete W in my opinion

[@goldenboigwuapo]

Chris I been wantin to know, when you started your spiritual journey, was there any specific books, gurus or things in particular that you studied/listened to? Wish you had a Spiritual Jones channel man but ik you mad busy as is, but your spiritual knowledge is A1, no fluff like alot of these "KZbin Gurus"much love brother

[@BeastmodeJones316]

I've checked out many books that are beneficial. It all depends on what you are looking for. "Fuck Your Feelings" (by: Ryan Munsey) is a great place to start. It will definitely increase your level of conscious awareness; which is a must to level up mentally.

[@Egoliftdaily]

Dayum... I came for the Fitness topic but stayed for the gems 💎 of wisdom. Good stuff, Chris.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💎💎💎much love fam💪🏾🤝🏽

[@DefiniteIntegral0to1]

That Haile Selassie graphic is🔥!!

[@k.o.o.p.a.]

Been a fan before this new age YT lifting content. Some people see through the bullshit; others get caught up all in it. Love this video and commentary on that goofy jeff and mike situation.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

New Age. That's the perfect description for these guys.💯📝

[@DeBedschbacher]

I wonder if Jeff changed the thumbnail?!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

He changed it back to the thumbnail of him getting punched in the face.

[@TwinQuan]

Mike also said seed oils aren't bad👀

[@BeastmodeJones316]

👀👀📝📝

[@banksdeo1]

That’s just human nature, we complicate the shit out of everything. That’s why I’m a huge fan bro. Working out and getting in shape should not be that fuckin complex.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

😂💯 Getting inshape should not require a lab. All I need is a gym. lol

[@banksdeo1]

@@BeastmodeJones316Exactly!

[@adamwehib7191]

Aye Chris, idk if anyone else picked up on it but as an Ethiopian shouts out for the Haile Selassie tee your rocking brother, all praise to the most high 🙌🏾

[@BeastmodeJones316]

Shout out to Ethiopia, and shout out to the Rastafarians in Jamaica.💯🌞🤝🏽

[@thekosmokramer]

thanks Chris, even us 10+ year lifters forget some of the easy, basic things like slow reps, negatives, and stretching because we get in that repetitive grind mode. preciate the reminder, ima try them massages too🤙🏻

[@BeastmodeJones316]

💎💯🤝🏽

[@dreaMje13]

14 years experience here , doing slower negatives didnt get me bigger results honestly , i did train like not doing It slower and got better results

[@thekosmokramer]

@@dreaMje13 its more of changing things here and there to hit different, it doesnt have to be a staple or complete change

[@KamaKuriProductions]

Above all else, just challenge yourself consistently. Science can't replace hard ass work. Being knowledgeable about RPE and Rep tempos, etc doesn't explain the "science based" roid head youtubers physiques. They love to constantly discuss studies because they can hide behind the obscurities of ever-changing research.

[@BeastmodeJones316]

They are studying things that don't even need to be studied. That recent info about controlled negative reps should've been common sense, in my opinion. They could have used that time (and energy) to discover something better. I got some ideas that they could use. lol

[@gacl86]

Chris stay ready lmao! 10 min mark “I’m about to go”… He goes in for another 10 min lol.. keep up the good content brother!

[@BeastmodeJones316]

🤷‍♂️I gotta work on that timing. lol