My Master Fader Routing Trick Explained 2Bus, Groups, Printing Mix - Rapid Fire Q&A #5

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In this video David explains his strange and unconventional master fader routing trick. How he uses additional master tracks to route and print the mix and to adjust compression, eq and saturation on the master by using levels and gain staging.
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[@WavetableMetaphysics]

This dude been bashing the shit out the ether with knowledge all gotdamn day. Fax 💯

[@kirabarsmith9353]

This is truly mixbus TV, enjoyed it as always!

[@iamkxtv]

I’ve been looking for this type of breakdown forever.. thank you. 💯🙏🏿

[@samkenny3075]

I love this master into mix bus trick-- full track intensity instead of volume automation-- BRILLIANT 😎

[@seanrimada8571]

My guy is a electronic music grammy award and dude and also does a ton of mastering for Kompakt, and you guys do theexact same thing on the printside, he always uses analog and routes a little different but having the printed track inside the stems proyect is a heck of a hack! Thanks mixbustv, these rapid fire shots of info are really helping out. A id love to check out a new vid series from the channel. Thanks for putting out these vids, tru intentions man

[@davidallenhammond2777]

Brilliant routing! I'll be using this on my next project. Thanks a million!

[@vextract4662]

Thanks for summarizing your routing methods its very useful especially for us that don't mix as much as you do.

[@ultradoux2215]

Thanks for everything, I've just watched several video and you're amazing.

[@Edge_0202]

I'm gonna try this. My mentor said that running your mix to just the master fader causes a bit of a delay while tracking. That's why he has a similar method to yours of using an AUX track as a master (or for metering as he calls it) then routes out to a master fader. Very interesting 👌

[@PluckDaBass]

Great great idea!! Thank you!

[@chadfayrobinson7537]

That's not weird at all its awesome !

[@2shotDerringer]

Nice! I do that too, but only to meter the signal going into the mix buss to make sure it's not clipping on the way in... But you've just opened my mind to doing more with it! 🤘🏼 💪🏼

[@cortical1]

I'm a fella who wants to see more Bella! This was cool, David. You're a tenured professor of shredding the auditory gnar.

[@FifthnLincoln]

Very interesting. I use Ableton but your method gives me food for thought. :)

[@VKJ85]

Ableton Live (10.1) user here also. :)

[@Skiroy]

Your phenomenal bro. Answered every question I’ve had for years. Have you noticed any ITB summing effect by using group busses vs single track faders for everything?

[@Bonzvy]

Interesting. Very interesting. I have to check this out. Thanks for sharing!

[@RETCHED-METAL]

Thats awesome

[@1loveMusic2003]

That is so smart!

[@gaudinni]

Thanks David!

[@CHUCHOMERCHAN]

brilliant thank you

[@SleepNoMore720]

Question. When printing stems, wether it’s different group elements of the mix (drums, bass, strings) or instrumental version etc.. how do you maintain the processing from the mix bus such as the compression when the whole mix was hitting it all together so each stem or print versions still have the similar processing effect & gain reduction as the whole mix version? so when i pull up the faders to 0db of all the stems i printed, it will sound like the stereo official mix.. Hope I didn’t confuse u. Thanks David. Looking forward to your thoughts. ✌🏽 hopefully u can do a video on this as well in the near future.

[@SleepNoMore720]

MixbusTV awesome... 🙌🏽 Much respect man

[@paulrucker1889]

Yea, the sum of all stems, if all processed additionally at the mix bus one by one same as the stereo mix, will not perfectly match the stereo mix that goes through the same processing. But it can be close. To match perfectly, you'd have to do all your 'mix bus processing' at each stem separately and no mix bus processing at all. That's a lot of extra work. I've never been asked to do that since the way the stems get used is for a different result anyway. I'm speaking from tv underscore music viewpoint but it should apply across the board.

[@SleepNoMore720]

Paul Rucker Interesting. Good point Paul. Another way to possibly do it which I haven’t tried is to 1. bypass the processing on the mix bus. 2. bounce a copy of the whole stereo mix, add it to the session & mute it. 3. add the same compressor or chain that is on the mix bus to every stem you’re printing. 4. Then going back to the muted bounced track, set it to prefader & side chain it to trigger the compressors set on all the stem busses and print. That might get it close but not perfect. Hope that made sense.. definitely can’t wait for David to make a video on this. 🙌🏽

[@jarredbaca8112]

What is your ideal level of headroom for the mix before pushing it with the fader? -18db, -12db or more?

[@twsg_noise]

awesome video, thanks for explaining

[@john4157]

Very good video!!!!

[@tonymaranzano]

Why is the print track solo safe?

[@WassupFred]

Great video but I’m gona have to watch this again 😂

[@joeyf808]

Hi David, Why the SSL channel on the master fader?

[@joeyf808]

MixbusTV gotcha!

[@kageprotv2922]

@@mixbustv Why??? Is it an secret fort using this ssl plug in???

[@thehypnotist9750]

That makes so much sense

[@wariedl12]

Very clever!

[@sottovoce4]

So if im understanding your method correctly, I can back off the MASTER Fader for the Choruses which will in turn hit my analog chain lighter resulting in a more open less compressed sound? if so this is some next level Scorcery!

[@mixbustv]

Yep! That's why I have my 2bus set the way I do, I have two faders, one pre and one post inserts so I can decide if I want my automation to affect and being affected by the inserts or not

[@Carlos-Rodrigues]

Hi my friend. Good idea having the Prints into Aux Track for post Processing. Do you use a limiter in your Master Output Gain for this workflow ?

[@Carlos-Rodrigues]

MixbusTV Perfect :-) One should make a Video to explain this to.... ehmmmm what do we call them ? .... new Millenial Sound Engineers... ;-p Like Tips & Tricks

[@JamesRuffMedia]

Great, thank you.

[@shayne08]

So big question here, I hear people say for bass drops (in metal songs) to keep it outside your 2 bus. Does this mean the bass drop track will not be routed through the 2 bus and only to the master track? I'm confused because the master you said still goes through your 2 bus, so wouldn't the bass drop still be effected by the compressor on your 2 bus and duck everything when hitting?

[@mixbustv]

I don't know who said that but, it makes little sense so me. But it also depends what method of mixing and what context who said it uses. I'm guessing he doesn't want the bass to overtrigger the 2bus compressor, so it sends it to his master fader (which is not routed like mine obviously of it would be completely useles) and bypasses the 2bus compression. I think that's not only not necessary, but you leave one of the main elements out of the 2bus compression which doesn't help anything, it's called 2bus because everything goes there. If the problem is the bass overtriggering the compressor there are several better options: 1) use a compressor with an HPF filter, 2) if the bass triggers your 2bus compressor (on the whole track) chances are it's too loud. 3) automate levels 4) Use an external sidechain of your mix without the bass and still send the bass to the 2bus so everything has the same movement (dynamic) and color. I know I can be annoyingly right

[@shayne08]

MixbusTv no man you’re awesome! Thank you for taking the time to explain and reply! You truly are a favorite here to us and we appreciate so much of what you teach us. Thanks again

[@shayne08]

Also I think I understood them wrong, they said keep the bass drop outside your mix bus and have it only hit your 2 bus. Something like that, but yes it was to bypass the compressor or something. I read it more on a FB Group discussion and we know how those can be.

[@kingech_B15]

Thanks for that playlist trick

[@fullanchorintl7022]

Wow this is very nice

[@marlowdurden5330]

I see your useing it as the master as if it is like a console master fader ( Mix Buss)

[@samkaufman4805]

minchia Dave, ogni video che fai m'illumini d'immenso! figata sto metodo

[@roccoofthesnow]

Thx for the vid. Stupid question, but how does one get black tracks? Is that an update?

[@mixbustv]

Click no color in the color palette. No credit me when they ask lol

[@lastcall9998]

What I don't understand, is if everything goes into the MixBus Channel/Track, where all the signals come from in Master 1, since Master 1 output is routed to MixBus? Because as in your video, if you lower the Master 1 fader, the signal going to the Mixbus Channel/Track also lowers, so all the signals must go through the Master 1 fader/track first, no?

[@lastcall9998]

Why the video is flipped left to right (or viceversa at the beginning? Lol. Just wondering (guitar looked weird :P - because it looked left handed)

[@peterbrandt7911]

Can't you use a group in group track in ProTools? I use something similar and call it rear bus, for parallel compression, etc. Maybe the terminology is only different. In my DAW an aux is more or less like an aux on a desk. It would be some sort of hassle to do it that way. I'm just curious.

[@peterbrandt7911]

@@mixbustv I just said what I was using such a track for, I watched your video, you know ;-). Thanks for answering. I guess what's called group in my DAW is quite the same, like the auxes in PT.

[@john4157]

Hi David. I have a question. I like how you can push into your mix bus chain with the master fader . I have a Burl Audio B32 Vancouver 32-channel Mix Bus . I route everything to the burl b32 (kick on output 1 snare output 2 and so on). The sum comes back into a pair of input to pro tools and I make another track to print the mix. How can I use your work flow with my summing amp. I would like to route my mix to the master fader and then push into the burl transformers. John

[@john4157]

@@mixbustv It makes sense. Thanks for the fast reply. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. You make very good videos . I purchased you hip hop course a couple of months ago. I learned a whole lot from your course. It is a very good course. Thanks again

[@delfinx05]

What would it be the difference if you use 2 aux channels instead the master buss? I mean routing the whole mix to an unprocessed aux which would be routed to the final mix processed aux, this way you can push your mix to the final mix chain in the second aux just moving the first non processed aux channel's fader. Not sure if that's possible in protools since I use Logic. Congrats for your useful Channel.

[@DaftFader]

I basically do it this way in cubase .. so it's possible in some DAWs, and it's basically the same afaik.

[@producerfuji_official]

Ok but last time you had two outputs from your mix bus output with a + sign on why is it different now?? One was a output from mixbus and on the same output it was a bus going from the same output to your print mix

[@producerfuji_official]

Ok understandable thank you

[@johndean5860]

So on Cubase 10 is this routing possible?

[@johndean5860]

MixbusTV Thanks

[@critiquedard]

That's really funny ! This is a way to mix i found by my own, 2 years ago, and i'm so glad to see that i'm not the only one :D So glad ! Thank you !

[@ezrashanti]

What I don't understand is, if the inserts on the master fader are post fader anyway, couldn't you just route all of your tracks to the master fader and use that as your 2bus and it would have the exact same result as this? The only benefit I can see is that you have an additional fader after all of those inserts (your mixbus fader). Do you need to alter the level of this fader?

[@mixbustv]

The only benefit you see IS the benefit, because you can automate pre and post 2bus chain.

[@producerfuji_official]

Question what volume( level ) should your print or bounce mix be to send out for mastering or to do a pre-mastering in ozone 8

[@producerfuji_official]

MixbusTV ok will do going to it now

[@tracylane7270]

when i bus my tracks in prtools they apear to sound thin is it best when not using hardware to just not bus

[@nimblebutler]

Hilarious! I’ve been doing this exact method for about five years. I’m curious what caused you to start this method?

[@joeyf808]

Also, what’s the analog 7-8 on the first send on the mixbus for?

[@joeyf808]

MixbusTV Thanks David.

[@zakaroonetwork777]

😇😎🤠❤❤❤

[@UREZY]

I have used the setup but when I put my buss compressor on the mix buss channel the metering in pt goes away and when I print the compression effect does not add can anybody help

[@assshakerstudios549]

Is your Mixbuss aux Pre or Post? Then is your Print Aux track Pre or Post? It's your routing, somewhere in your routing there's a step missing, or PT is automatically setting your routing incorrectly! Happens all the time...

[@UREZY]

@@assshakerstudios549 should they be pre or post?

[@UREZY]

@@assshakerstudios549 finally got it fixed the inputs and outputs in Apollo console were not lined up lol

[@mrpesk1]

Anyone tried this set.up in ableton? Is it possible?

[@QMKPL]

Hi, Is there any chance to do this trick in Presonus Studio One ?

[@QMKPL]

@@mixbustv I'm testing Studio One only 2 weeks... Does anyone help ?

[@producerfuji_official]

Question if your pluggins are on your sub mix if you bounce down instead of printing will those effect be added in mix once bounced??????

[@producerfuji_official]

So is print better than bounce converting?

[@producerfuji_official]

MixbusTV appreciated love ❤️ the channel

[@WavetableMetaphysics]

Rootinest rootinest shootinest rapid fire 🔥

[@ChadRockwell]

Hows the neck? :D

[@montazownianr1]

4 people don't like skulls :|

[@nickhepfer2618]

This is so ridiculously basic...