My Mom Snooped, Found I Was Pregnant, Gossiped & Is Angry I Won't Share More r/Relationships

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #1: So, Crazy Mom would rather wish harm on her daughter and unborn grandchildren than keep her big mouth shut? That no contact may need to go a few years.

[@nixxyhasthoughts]

How the mum can be so delusional that she can overlook what the OP is saying about the harm caused and just turn it around to say op is being spiteful! Then to go into their house! I’d get a restraining order.

[@rylashadow18]

That's a lifetime worth of no contact tbh.

[@SherriLyle80s]

Yep. Its time she moved far away

[@paulastiles5507]

@@rylashadow18 I know, right?

[@MusicGirl881]

Forget a few years that several lifetimes worth of no contact.

[@IsMgb45]

story 2: hannah likes to throw the ''controling'' excuse a lot, makes me wonder if SHE is the controling partner and lauren is just someone she couldn't socialy dominate

[@KopitioBozynski]

Sounds like it could definitely be the case.

[@paulinadeboer3604]

I wonder if hannah was always faithfull, and that the new husband told Laura about the affaire he had before with Hannah. You see Hannah behaves like a jealous ex more than just a friend. If the friend introducéd him to Hannah, then there affair would be from before OP. But i stand by the fact that this are jealous ex vibes.

[@jessicarichards6796]

Grandma resorted to wicked witching it real quick, didn’t she?

[@katie6731]

I hope OP watches out for flying monkeys!

[@lifewithlee6298]

😂😅and she wonders why her child said leave us alone

[@mflax4331]

Which proves she has been a wicked witch all along.

[@scarletassassin523]

Hey that disrespectful to the wicked witch

[@lonelyronin2428]

This must be the "mother" the Sanderson sisters speak so fondly of. Grandma: "I PUT A SPELL ON YOU!!" Op & Hubby: ....OK then?

[@Russman67]

Story 1: So mom cursed her daughter and her future grandchildren over being put on an information diet. Now she's on an information fast. Cut that woman out completely.

[@TheIronwil]

Story 1: Mom has zero respect for boundaries. And while I don't believe in voodoo hexes either, the fact that someone declared they'd cursed me would really rub my rhubarb.

[@megaman37456]

Or rupture your radishes.

[@brigidtheirish]

"Rub my rhubarb." I'm stealing that!

[@wwondertwin]

I don't believe in it either, but I'd totally get a couple of priests of various traditions to do a counter-spell or whatever because the mother clearly believes in it. Let her think she's getting back x10 whatever she wished on OP and her babies.

[@wmdkitty]

@@megaman37456 Punctures your potatoes. Tickles your tomatoes.

[@genesisplus4325]

Yeah, imagine trying to hurt your daughter or her baby because she didn't let you gossip.

[@AndyyWithAY]

The mom is crazy from the jump. Why is she snooping and why is she assuming the husband is cheating? 3 months is standard to wait to tell people. And even if it's not, it's OP's pregnancy and body.

[@brigidtheirish]

Yeah. My first thought was "who the *hell* sees a 'World's Best Dad' cup and immediately assumes affair?"

[@kimberlyarrington5721]

Andyawe13 Yes everybody at least waits until after 12 weeks until it's safe

[@brigidtheirish]

@@mahendardancharan4757 Yeah. Looks like the curse worked, supernatural intervention or not.

[@Dusk.EighthLegion]

Story 2: No dear redditors, that's not petty revenge, putting a bully in their place in front of someone they're trying to impress? That's the perfect kind of revenge, as it shows everyone the kind of person they truly are, a failed one.

[@jakemarie828]

Honestly it's a moral imperative. A great way to keep bullying alive is to laugh along in politeness. Someone needs to tell these people the truth for their sake and ours.

[@ginathecookie]

wait, s2 or s3 O.o both kinda apply

[@joeschmo622]

No pregnancy (I'm a guy, so... duh), but my own mum would take things I essentially confided to her, and yak about it on the phone like it was normal conversation material, and then go all Surprised Pinkachu Face when I'd flip out and yell at her to stop broadcasting my *PRIVATE* information. So I stopped telling her *anything.* And of course, she always goes sulky and complains to everyone all over Hell's Creation, "He never tells me anything.". Well, duh.

[@KopitioBozynski]

Had to do the same thing with my mother. The final nail was her spreading a bunch of family drama when I was undergoing heart surgery. No-one should ever have to put out that kind of fire as soon as they wake up from anesthesia. Now she complains that she's "left in the dark" despite that situation being the cherry on top of a shit sundae.

[@redonyx5428]

my mom is the same way. i stopped telling her anything because she kept proving that she was untrustworthy and a huge gossip

[@kerribottriell-baxter7345]

JNMIL - absolute gossipmonger and can't not keep her mouth shut on whatever something about whatever, her daughter, my JNSIL is just as freaking painful. Like Mother Like Daughter the two of them, and JNFIL is just as pathetic in the department. Not so much the gossip, but he doesn't stop his wife and daughter and kinda adds to it. Needless to say... one of the many reasons we have nothing to do with them anymore.

[@itsjustme7487]

My ex hubby was a blabber mouth ( help! I'm talking and can't quit). I told him about something that happened in the office and next thing I knew he was spewing the info.like a 5 yo. I could have gotten fired.

[@Andreea6442]

Same 😂

[@katie6731]

Story 1: The audacity of Motormouth Mommy in demanding to be in the delivery room--meaning that the babies' father wouldn't be there--is absurd. It seems well past time for OP to set boundaries and hold them like her sanity depends on it. I'm glad that OP's husband has helped OP grow some spine since they've been together. 💙

[@berylwheaten9385]

@Katie "Motormouth Mommy" 🤣😂🤣

[@DoritoBot9000]

Best nickname ever

[@Brittanierin]

Update to story one: the crazy mom ended up dying of a heart attack on OP’s lawn and OP lost one of the babies. They are moving away to be closer to OP’s husband’s family

[@user92248]

Damn!!!

[@osaitus]

Soooo... The curse worked?

[@Heydodoakskdkdjf]

@@osaitusI mean, it was a high risk pregnancy to begin with, so it was likely to happen anyway. But I do feel Justice was done to the grandma for wishing ill on her own family like that.

[@MsStrangeEmilie]

So grandma cursed herself , lol, got what she deserved.

[@coffeewlucien]

What the

[@michellek4349]

Story 2: Husband saved himself and his wife the embarrassment of revealing his wife has the mind of a teenager. She doesn’t know it because she’s immature but she would’ve been the laughing stock

[@tallyp.7643]

Part of me feels like he should've brought her to the wedding anyway, but stopped for gas or something to discreetly warn Tom over the phone that she was wearing white and ask if they had security around. Would've been fitting if she showed up and took the blue dress off and security hauled her out right afterward before the bride could see while OP waltzed in, pretended he didn't know her, and enjoyed the wedding. Blocked her calls right after as she waited outside or had to uber home, or when she sent a pissed off text, he could just respond with links on proper wedding etiquette and what folks REALLY think about those who wear white at weddings when not supposed to. Would be hell for him when he got home, but on the other hand, it would also be funny to see her throwing a tantrum in the parking lot as other guests walked in scoffing at her white dress and talking loudly about how pathetic she was.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

Story 1: Not all parents deserve to have children, and the same applies to grandparents. Whether you believe in curses or not, the fact that this woman does something she perceives to be harmful towards her own pregnant daughter just because the daughter calls her out is horrible and I hope OP goes permanently no contact.

[@moirapledger9153]

I sincerely hope that the young couple saved the note from her mother just in case this has to go to the courts

[@kitarrah1422]

They should have saved the stuff she put under the bed, too. Throwing out the evidence is not a good idea.

[@jakemarie828]

Yeah I don't think "permissions for hexing" is within the bounds of grandparents' rights

[@francit4856]

😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣

[@bandaidsandshoes]

She won’t need it. I went and looked up her post for updates. She did lose her second child but the mom had a heart attack and died.

[@13thMaiden]

Story 2) That...that woman's response is extremely odd. It's one thing to be passive-aggressive, it's another to go to this level of pettiness. There are some intense red flags here, and OP might want to try marriage counseling...there's a burr under her saddle and you need to find it before she tries doing something worse since you ruined her earlier attack.

[@KopitioBozynski]

I have a feeling the wife would try to turn the situation around on OP and make him out to be the bad guy. Hopefully it doesn't happen if they do go to counseling but who knows what could happen when confronting a petty person.

[@francinetitherington4060]

The OP should either require marriage counseling plus individual therapy due to her toxic behaviour, that's if she wants to continue the marriage.

[@KHTimeProtecter]

As a Witch, I’m just laughing at the mom for trying to lay a curse on her daughter! Even if she cast it properly, the curse is just going to come back to her three times stronger. That’s the very reason why we don’t actually curse or hex people. Karma’s a real bitch, after all.

[@Takisan111]

I'm not a witch but I have looked into it in the past so I did think the mother bringing out a curse seemed like a bad idea. Honestly people like her tick me off as she thinks just because she believes in magic, that it will do exactly what she wants. What absolute arrogance. And to bring something like that down on her own daughter and grandchild that she claims to love is just so evil.

[@KHTimeProtecter]

Which will make the Three-Fold Law come down even harder on her. OP and her husband going permanent NC and their children not wanting to have anything to do with her is the least of her problems. If she really loved her family, she would have respected them, their wishes, and kept her big nose out of this. OP said that her mother’s been into it for years. She probably thought, “Oh! Magic! This’ll make me powerful/feared/rich!” The same mindset a child just discovering the Craft would have before doing any research. “Love is the Law” and “An it harm none, do what ye will” are our basic tenets. It’s all just surface-level interest that’s going to bite her someday one way or another.

[@TheRavenArchon]

I was just coming to post something similar to this. I’m Christian, myself, but I have a friend who’s the high priestess of our local witch’s coven. We used to discuss religion at length, and I remembered her mentioning that cursing others brings a heap of bad back on you, and it’s never wise to mess with magic with such malicious intent. I don’t know if OPs mom is a true believer or just trying to be hateful, but I hope whatever powers that be send her some much deserved humbling for her nastiness.

[@AnaReginaNica]

Curse-almost-victim there. One of my "friends" (not a friend anymore, naturally) decided to curse me, believing I was doing something to seduce his crush. I never did that, and exactly like you said, the thing returned to him with revenge. It completely ruined his life (lost his job, his house, pets, friends, family, said crush decided he hated him, and very ironically, I was the only person who tried to console him), to the point his masters actually suggested the only way he could get rid of it was to come clear to me and beg for forgiveness. I forgave him, of course, but asked for distance from now on. He complied and disappeared. Another friend of mine (far wiser and more experienced on witchcraft than the one who did put the curse) theorized that since I was innocent of everything he was accusing me of, the thing had no choice but to return to the caster, unleashing on him everything he desired to unleash on me. I don't practice witchcraft. However, I always try to remember that are things over there we don't understand and even less can control, but somehow, will do the fair thing if asked. It's kind of conforting in a very strange way.

[@KHTimeProtecter]

@@AnaReginaNica You have a wise friend in the person who told you about how that curse worked. And you were very wise to forgive that guy but distance yourself from him. I’m sure his masters were very frustrated with him for doing such a thing.

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #3: LOL! Sweet, sweet revenge. Yes, it was a bit harsh for the girl, but in the long run, OP did her a favor.

[@Russman67]

Story 2: OP did his friend a solid. His wife can wear any dress she wants. But her choice address insured that she didn't go to the wedding. It is not the wife's right to show up the bride out of jealousy.

[@deeplyblue7299]

Story 1: the fact that she actually believes in that stuff and still left those things under the bed means she wishes bad things to her own kid only for asking for freaking privacy. Good for the op for changing locks and getting cameras for the house. She will go nuts and try to take one of the kids and later says oh but you already have one let me have this one.

[@bun04y]

I would be petty enough to hire another "witch" to curse her back. Even better if they could use her own branches & hair against her.

[@deeplyblue7299]

@@bun04y Sadomouse on the old lady

[@CalamityKitty]

@@bun04y 😆

[@ResfeberBear]

Found the update on this - the Mum had a heart attack on the front lawn and died, the daughter miscarried one of the babies, sad all round :-(

[@deeplyblue7299]

wow so awful thanks Mr Bear@@ResfeberBear

[@aurea.]

Wow, she not only violated their privacy but also actively _cursed_ them? I'd be disowning her as my mother.

[@mgaus]

Disemboweling? Dismemberment? Either way, it's disheartening

[@khaleesireyna731]

I'm sorry, but the crazy mom in story one had me dying at the fact that she said "I've put a curse on this house" and "until you see REASON" in the same sentence... there are some people who, when they go off the rails, they do so spectacularly.

[@jeancarbonneau6966]

In story 3, I'm surprised that OP didn't go and ask the bully "how's your wife doing". Now that would have been one hell of a joke to pull on him... Lol. Then the girl he was with probably would have freaked out on him and leave. But stating all the names of his other girlfriends is just as good.

[@aurorathedragonlady2728]

As a witch I have to say putting a hex on your own child for not wanting to share when YOU broke trust is dangerous. That is not the kind of person you want around and likely something will backfire on her in someway. Like, wow.

[@Casey5693]

As a Christian, I’m curious. How does the hex work? What kind of spell did the crazy mom put on OP? I believe in this stuff too. I just want to know what they could do to reverse it.

[@aurorathedragonlady2728]

@@Casey5693 There are several forms of hexes so I can't tell you exactly what kind she tried. Likely a bad luck one or one to bring destruction to the house. I don't deal with hexes myself, it's black magic. I joke about it but that's the kind of thing that invites demons and dark fae into your house and I am not about those kind of beings. Sorry I can't be more help, I deal more in the worship of nature but even I know hexes are bad mojo. Best think I could suggest is sage burning for things like that. Even making wards of protection.

[@lilaclise4304]

@@Casey5693 (Beginner) witch here, from what I managed to grasp so far, cursing is one of the most complex and dangerous branches of witchcraft, it takes a lot of resources and willpower and it can backfire incredibly badly; in other words, to use curses for petty reasons is a something only a person dumber than a donut would do

[@kundere8920]

I read the update and I'm pretty sure she had a heart attack on their lawn

[@aurorathedragonlady2728]

@@Casey5693 I don't even bother learning hexes. It's not worth it, and it depends on which witch you ask. For me, putting energy into it is enough, but there are steps to setting something like that up. What energy you put out though is likely to come back kinda thing. Short of like karma.

[@alexisgrunden1556]

Story 1: Time to send your darling mother a photo of a brand-new voodoo doll, and let her know that two can play that game. Play witch games, win witch prizes.

[@Raptorwrap]

1st story: I love how the mom is saying that op needs to see reason but is trying to put a mystical curse on the house. That’s about as far from reason as you can get lmao

[@catandrobbyflores]

She went so far as to put a fetish under her daughter's bed because she got butthurt that op dared to stand her ground. She is crazy and is attempting to mess with stuff that should never be messed with.

[@crem-crem4070]

Story 1: so I come from a culture in which witch doctor are real and prevelan, while I don’t believe in much of it I do know that to curse your own child is so incredibly hateful if you DO believe it OP’s mom seems narcissistic and abusive, op would be better off without here in her life at all Story 2: Mark he misspelled “puzzled”

[@damien678]

I don't come from a culture like that, but I am a pagan that occasionally practices magic. I've done curses and it takes a LOT of malicious intent to do that. For how I do them, an almost overwhelming amount. Even if whomever reads this doesn't believe in this stuff... I'd still consider it a big deal. I often like to see my faith through an atheistic lense - find other reasons to do things - and those kinds of feelings are of great concern

[@paulastiles5507]

The hate required to do a curse is disturbing. People have been burned at the stake just for being accused of engaging in black magic. To do that to your own daughter just because she wants you to give her some space and not be a gossip? That's messed up.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@damien678 I'm Catholic and have enough personal and familial experience to want to get a *tanker truck* of holy water to OP's house. Like you said, the level of malice required to do something like that is *intense.* Enough that it could attract demonic attention even if OP's egg-donor got the ritual from watching shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[@alenasenie6928]

This is equivalent to christians not praying for people that are gay out of spite, it does nothing, but they think it has the power to do everything, yet they pray for their suffering instead, sadly it is common, because that includes when their children are homosexuals, or in many cases, just because they don't share the same belief, is depressing to think about that so let's think about adorable kittens instead

[@damien678]

@@alenasenie6928 Speaking of kittens, my bf and I are getting one this weekend and I'm very excited for my lil orange 🍊 kitty to get here

[@GIChiyo]

Story 2: It's 100% a jealousy issue, and do you really want to deal with someone like this who acts this horrid when jealous?

[@swearimnotarobot3746]

Story 1: The mother broke her trust. Simple as. She’s just upset that there are consequences. Not only did she snoop. But she also gossiped after being explicitly told not to. Story 2: I also got the feeling that she had feelings for the friend which is why she was trying to show her up. But that could be wrong. Although probably not the best to leave her at the side of the road.

[@TsukiKageTora]

And put a curse on the house her grandchildren will be raised in, like who tf does that

[@swearimnotarobot3746]

@@TsukiKageTora i have a friend who’s great aunt is a witch and my friend learned all the curses and fertility rituals from her. But she’s never tried o curse anyone

[@jakemarie828]

@@swearimnotarobot3746 super messed up to curse your own child. Seems like that would cosmicly bite you in the ass regardless of the context. The Wiccans I know wouldn't do anything close to that hateful. Very disturbing.

[@bunnyslippers191]

@@jakemarie828 Wiccans only, and very rarely, act against someone in order to protect themselves and only after taking serious steps to keep the negative energy from bouncing back onto them. . The Three Fold Law isn't some silly rule about having to have three blood sisters to do a spell, it's a statement of consequences. What you give out will come back to you three fold because the people at whom you direct energy will amplify it and send it back. We usually do protection spells and things like cleansing the house physically and energetically, then putting protectopns in place such as salt all around the house, charging wind chimes with positive energy and hanging them up outside next to all the outside doors, placing mirrors in all the windows or cleansed crystals on the windowsills, etc. At the most a mirror spell that surrounds the person or the entire house with energy to reflect the energy back onto whoever is sending it towards us works. If everyone sends positive energy towards you that energy will bounce back to them. If someone is sending you negative energy that will bounce back to them. You don't initiate the negative energy, you just don't let it reach you by bouncing it back to them. The kind of energy they get back is entirely up to them.

[@dustyrose192]

@@jakemarie828 it will just bounce back to the mother, never cast curses in anger

[@LisaApril]

Story one: the mother in the story may believe in curses, but given her behavior and her mindset I highly doubt anything she does will be effective. Now that they found a bundle under the bed I’m pretty sure nothing will come of this. I would never allow a woman who does this to me, mother or not, to ever know my children.

[@brigidtheirish]

Actually, her behavior and mindset is what has me worried. Wouldn't put it past her to break in to steal some personal articles for another spell. I also believe evil spirits *do* exist, so even if she's using spells picked up from a comic book, the level of *malice* she's displayed could attract some attention. Unlikely, but I wouldn't want to take that risk.

[@dulcilass]

@@brigidtheirish A petty thought I had was to use her beliefs in spells against her. Take to attaching small bags filled with strange bits and pieces, herbs and other vegetation to her doors, windows, car. If she says anything, simply reply "You left a curse on my house".

[@brigidtheirish]

@@dulcilass Tempting, but that would require trespassing.

[@LisaApril]

@@brigidtheirish in this case, even if the mother hypothetically was able to get the attention of evil spirits, the evil spirits would actually attach to the mother and not her pregnant daughter. It takes a huge amount of discipline, training and actual experiential knowledge to Shift an evil spirit to someone else once you’ve got it. These things are not as easy as some would have you believe. Those who Conger are The ones to become afflicted.

[@wmdkitty]

OP needs to burn that bundle.

[@thatwitchychick2717]

Wow... Mom is nuts. I'm a witch myself, and to do something like this for such spiteful and stupid reasons is inviting misery to come back her way. If anyone ever does anything weird like this to you, look up a "return to sender" spell. It's basically the whole "I'm rubber, you're glue." rule. Hahaha.

[@thatwitchychick2717]

Also, I'm paranoid but if you find any objects left in your home to cause you trouble, burn them.

[@wmdkitty]

Uno Reverse Spell

[@madisonwaycaster9832]

I recently started practicing witchcraft and that bit about the twigs and hair is distressing. I don't know of any curses that involve that, if I had to guess I'd say she probably just put it there to scare OP and her husband, but I would definitely burn some incense and do a cleansing spell in the room just to be sure. I should also clarify that baneful magic is extremely taboo in the community and can very easily rebound on the user. OP and her family should be fine (I really don't think the mom knew what she was doing) but if bad things start happening to the mom just know that she did it to herself.

[@reptiles3244]

God you people are stupid

[@alenasenie6928]

Story 3: nothing better than a petty revenge that saves another person, you surely saved that girl, either from falling for his lies now or from doing it constantly, or at the very least you gave her a chance, he might have BSed his way out anyways, liers are like that, and the description is of a cheater with multiple partners, she could have been only annoyed if all that was before, but probably all you said was while he was BSing her to get in her pants.

[@whatsanenigma]

People who just demand to be in the delivery room just make me sick. My sister asked me herself if I wanted to be in the delivery room with my second niece and I was so surprised and grateful and I said yes! That was the most meaningful, beautiful experience ever and the best present she ever gave me. That's just not a thing you ask for, let alone demand. That's just sick.

[@Cheshyre.]

That was so sweet of her!

[@selinesbeau]

After the first thing, I would've started hiding little envelopes and boxes around the house with notes saying, "Stop snooping Nosy Nelly", "Mom, not cool", "I'm going to start leaving used tampons and dead rats in these things."

[@pepperooli]

1st story: wow. A Mother who would try to do harm to her daughter and the unborn children. She's crazy. I would move out of that house as soon as I could and not tell anyone where I was moving to. Please get some help for this as it is very stressful and tiring to move. Burn same sage for the smoke and allow the smoke to enter every single room. Then you need to go no contact with your Mother. She's a danger to your kids as well. No contact!!!

[@nathanhinman9069]

Story 3: OP dropped a nuclear bomb with a smile lol

[@WereMike]

Story #1: Mom put a spell on her own daughter and her marriage? I know it's bunk but mom believes it, so I would treat that as an active threat. Mom just lost any and all privileges.

[@whatismylatestobsession350]

As a believer in 'magick', just know that 'everything you send out, comes back threefold'. I don't wish harm on anyone, but she will reep what she's sown. Go no contact, enjoy your pregnancy and life, and I wish you a happy, healthy pregnancy and little ones!

[@nolongeramused8135]

As my wife found out, parents should never be given a key to your home, nor allowed to show up without prior permission. Nosy Karen moms will think nothing of rifling through your mail, bank statements, bedroom, etc., while you are not present.

[@KLH311]

Story 1: I saw an update to this story and OP ended up losing one of her babies 😢 but her mother also ended up passing away in their front yard from a heat attack. They were planning to move closer to her husbands parents for support.

[@carolroberts4614]

How awfully sad. I don't feel much for the mother, I think there were other stories about how dreadful she was to them, but about the baby. I hope they're doing better now.

[@madhatterine2805]

"Why do you make me out to be a spiteful witch? My only crime is loving you so much! I WILL CURSE YOU SO YOU SEE SENSE!"

[@JayeEllis]

Best technique I have for dealing with old bullies in the wild is pretending I don't remember them at all.

[@alphanerd2305]

Story 1: Ahhhh, good old fashioned curses. I would have told mommy dearest that her curses were weak, pathetic, and easily dispelled. After that, I'd tell her that as a conjurer, I'd be whipping up a restraining order that would leave her powerless.

[@InsonaSibel13]

Story 1 had a final update. Mom tried to beg forgiveness on their front lawn every week and had a heart attack while they were out, she didn't make it. One of OP's babies died and both her and husband are relocating to different country to be closer to his parents when it's safe to travel

[@BodyLanguageAnalysisInterrogat]

TY for giving an update.. I really wondered. Do you by any chance have the link to that?

[@tinycrimester]

story 1: "my mum went snooping in my hubby's office, found baby stuff and thought he was having an affair" yeah uh... even before she blabbed all over town about your secret, there were some signs she might be a see-you-next-tue EDIT: yeah uh, she tried to cause her daughter to miscarry (with the curse), never talk to her again.

[@joimumu]

Also just how dumb does Op mother think her husband is? If he was having an affair putting evidence in his room like that is pretty stupid

[@OmniscientlyMe]

1. They should have skipped no contact and gone straight to restraining order. She left a note after trespassing that she intends harm on them (fantasy or not). Every story like this has follow ups with even crazier escalations.

[@helenlewis2510]

Mark, I just wanted to say thank you for being upbeat and kindhearted on the daily. ❤

[@edwardbickford8277]

I definitely agree. Thanks Mark.

[@HeritageHighlandAcres]

Story 1. That would be permanent no contact and a restraining order for myself, my husband and the babies if I had enough evidence to get one.

[@KCCAT5]

Wow could you imagine wishing harm on your child and unborn grandchild? SMH

[@joimumu]

Op mom is so lucky she doesn’t mess with her

[@thevoidismyhome7242]

Story 1: What mother jumps immediately to cheating when she sees a "Secret Dad Box"? And adding all the other bullshit the mother did? NC better go for eternity. Story 2: Wow, that wife is psycho.

[@thedestroyasystem]

that’s one cool pfp, friend

[@IAmNotASuccubus]

OP should match nasty with nasty by posting pictures of the note and cursed object anywhere that family can see it. include a small note explaining the situation and how thanks to this she worried about the well-being of her family. Ham it up even harder by saying that if anything bad happened this hex was the reason.

[@LadyPinkmonsta]

Regardless of beliefs, that mom truly wishes harm on her own daughter and her family. That's more than enough to never see or speak to her again. OP should announce what her mom did somewhere so extended family and friends can know and be told not to share info with her either.

[@owl7072]

Story 1: "We haven't told a soul either 🥺" You weren't even supposed to know to begin with 🤨 so your "we haven't told anyone" means absolutely _nothing_ because _nobody_ was supposed to know except Op and husband up until mother dearest decided someone else's news was hers to share. Edit: It's the way she'd rather wish harm on her daughter and unborn grandchild than accept that she's not the main character of someone else's life and pregnancy

[@nimthegoodra8130]

Story 1 You just fucking know once the mom finds out op had twins, she'll take credit saying her "curse" brought them an extra baby or something

[@samikalastaja]

The curse can be translated as: "I am trying actively to harm you and your family." That should be enough to cut all the contact to that person.

[@brycekline982]

Story 1 Disown the Mom and go 💯° no contact. What kind of mother would put a"course" on her own daughter and unborn child?

[@srg24601]

The mom: omg I'm just sooo excited for the grandbaby and I love youuuu 🥰 Also the mom: I send a pestilence, a plague, into your house and in your bed!

[@Nylak-Otter]

My mother was extremely controlling my whole life, and I let it continue into adulthood because I still relied on her for advice and some resources while I was in college (I was still on family health insurance and cell phone plan). When my alcoholism almost killed me and I needed a liver transplant, I told her nothing and switched my health insurance when I was placed on disability. She found out, and immediately tried to control my treatment, even though I no longer relied on her and she couldn't force me to do anything, so security just kept kicking her out of the hospitals I was skipping around. Eventually I gave her a detailed update from my partner (I was heavily sedated and extremely confused at all times) and a personal phone conversation once a week in exchange for her leaving me alone. It worked out for me, but she was still very upset that I was 95% dead and she couldn't "protect me."

[@peteranon8455]

Story 1. This started out as a story establishing healthy boundaries, and turned into a "Wait, my mom placed a dark curse on my child?" situation. I would permanently go no contact in this situation, regardless of the efficacy of curses, because the intent is there.

[@ebagentj]

Story Three: I've run into my bullies after school in public places and they always start talking like we were old friends and they want to catch up. I always say to them "oh, right, you made school a living hell for me for x number of years. Should we keep pretending to be old friends or just move on now?" Usually I walk off before they give an answer. Then again, found out last year two of my worst bullies have actually died. I don't know exactly how or when, just saw them on my class's facebook group's "in memorium" section and was like "huh, so that happened". (I don't wish anyone dead, but tears weren't shed that day, either.)

[@mgaus]

You don't have to wish it for your bullies. I will for you

[@andrediamond4374]

Story 1: Big yikes, cursing your own daughter? That's not only mental and delusional, but disgusting. Not because curses exist, but because she (in her mind) was willing to cause harm to her daughter and grandchildren to get her way

[@toddschutz5371]

Everyone seems to forget that OP's mother snooped in OP's husband's office, WTF. She's entitled to nothing and should be banished from OP's house for violating trust and boundaries.

[@ShanaMoe]

Wow...that mom is insane. If she actually believes in hexes and all of that it makes her even worse. She deliberately cursed her daughter and her child. Despicable

[@Jenkinscraftingco2.0]

She would never see my kids. If OP does want to make contact, I’d advise to do so only after the mother has shown she is in therapy and can respect boundaries.

[@sandrajohnson6810]

I would first call the police and make them aware of the threats the mother had made. No contact forever. My children are too precious to be exposed to a grandmother as crazy as her. She is dangerous and need mental health care.

[@CarlottaHall]

Story 1. Whether or not Op and dh believe in curses her mother does so this is a physical threat to OPs family. If in the US the OP should seek out an order of protection to add to the info diet. Also a camera doorbell and security cameras might be a good idea as JNM has already Proven she has no qualms about B and E (entering the home and rooms without permission) and vandalism (the sticks, hair, etc under the bed).

[@4BWVan]

For the mother in Story 1 to use baneful magic on her own daughter while she is pregnant...wow. That is evil. Regardless of one's beliefs, the intent of this was an attack. IIW the daughter, I would file a police complaint about the mother and explain to them what she did and what it means. At the very least it would produce a document trail.

[@fhuber7507]

1... NC is too much contact with that abusive manipulative "mommy dearest"

[@muhname6052]

Story1 : what op fails to understand is that it doesn't matter if she doesn't believe in witch craft. The mom believes.

[@sirbacon761]

If I had a family member like story number 1, I would plant all kinds of erroneous "evidence" for her to find, and then put her on a no information diet. Locks changed for sure, and put up a camera or two depending on how unhinged they are.

[@heatherweir8726]

The only other person who can wear white to a wedding is the flower girl and only if they are a toddler and with the brides permission.

[@boundtogoboogie]

After the supposed "curse" I would have reached out and informed mommy dearest that she would now never get to meet any of my children, as this had made it clear that she has no love for the family and we would waste no further time or energy on the relationship.

[@kentario1610]

"I have cursed you and will only lift this curse once you allow me back in!" And she thought OP was spiteful??? What happened to caring about the baby so much that she'd... rather curse her daughter than respect boundaries. You'd think that would take priority, if she cared so much for the child (and not being the new grandma of the block, hosting baby showers, dealing juicy news, being congratulated)

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

Words that contains the word meow : meow, meowing, meowed, meows, homeowner

[@justine8387]

Naughty broken!!

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

@@justine8387 lol

[@wmdkitty]

It's not a home without a meow!

[@holyek7892]

The first story. Time to call the inquisition and bring out the Malleus Maleficarum.

[@wmdkitty]

Crazy Mom is going to get the backlash of that curse three times over. I hope she "enjoys" every second.

[@Hazelcakes]

I just checked out that first story for updates. There's a major one. OP's mom came back to beg forgiveness. Whilst OP and her husband were out she had a heartattack on their front lawn and passed away. OP's placenta ruptured and she lost one of her babies. OP is going to relocate to her husband's home country to live near her supportive in-laws.

[@lunahix4815]

Story 1: Holy cow, Batman! OP'S mom does not deserve to know her grandkids, and OP better make that NC permanent, not just until she apologizes or until the twins are born. Story 2: Sounds like Hannah has a crush on Tom. Or is deeply jealous of Lauren.

[@kaykay8855]

Story 1: NTA. So op’s mom is a witch?

[@jessicarichards6796]

I can’t imagine that she actually is. Most witches, by that I mean followers of the religions that identify as witches, usually have rules that dictate that you can’t hurt others. Harm none, do as ye will. So grandma is probably just a jerk. Wishing harm on her daughter and unborn children is just cruel.

[@melodymagickal6508]

@@jessicarichards6796 Some witches follow Traditional Witchcraft, however and don't recognize the Three Fold Law or follow The Wiccan Rede. Most Wiccans are Witches, not all Witches are Wiccan. However no matter what you follow it doesn't excuse disgusting behavior, and placing a spell on another without their permission even with *good* intentions is frowned upon. I can't flipping imagine attempting to curse your own child. Absolutely disgusting whether you believe in it or not.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@melodymagickal6508 And I'm sure there are even some Wiccans who go off the deep end. Regardless, OP's egg-donor believes in this stuff, even if it's a personal "homebrew" version. That she used those beliefs for evil is on her.

[@melodymagickal6508]

@@brigidtheirish Oh for sure, honestly using spells on others without their consent is overall gross but cursing your own kid. She sounds nuts from the start, there is something severely wrong with you to want to curse your kid, especially for their reasonable wants and ops reaction to her egg donors delusional want for control over her and the grandkids she shouldn't have even known of before her daughter allowed her to. I'd get a real life restraining order and cast some spells of protection for good measure.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@melodymagickal6508 Yeah. *All* the physical and spiritual security.

[@nicoled5062]

Story 1: send the mother a copy of the HIPPA laws. She most certainly does NOT have ANY right to ANY MEDICAL INFORMATION that isn't hers. If I were the OP, I would give them bogus info and when they complain, tell them that is what their behavior earned them.

[@GearFreid2728]

Wow, story 1 escalated rather fast at the end. I would make sure to gather evidence after that if people ask or it gets legal.

[@mrandrews3616]

Story 1: 1. Get a restraining order 2. Get cameras 3. Get new locks 4. Get a priest

[@kateemma22]

I absolutely LOATHE this mother. She won't have to explain to people if OP miscarries, she doesn't have to field the 10,000 questions that just cause stress, she doesn't have to worry about the double pressure OP is under. I would cut contact forever after this. This would be unforgivable in my eyes. Pregnancy is so stressful and so dangerous, even more for multiple babies, and OP's mom 100% DOES NOT CARE ABOUT OP she just cares about being a grandmother which makes her apparently so cool in the eyes of the people around her. She'd never be a grandmother to my kids after this, just another woman in the family.

[@Bangbangshelly]

1st story…. I’d wait a couple days and then phone mom up, tell her I miscarried and that it’s her fault because she cursed you, and then never speak to her again.

[@adrie-marienelson6111]

Story 1: wow. For the mom to immediately snoop around, telling OP that he's having an affair and asking to be in the delivery room with her instead of OP's husband is already flags that she does not like him.

[@annabellehe4307]

The fact someone who believes in curses cursed you is good enough evidence they would probably physically harm you if they though they could get away with it

[@dezzyhartley3009]

When I was pregnant my mom went around telling everyone too after I had asked her to wait until I was 3 months. She posted it on Facebook. When i told her to take it down, she threw a fit saying she’s the grandma and it’s her right too, 🤦‍♀️ eventually she took it down, but when I finally made the announcement at 3 months a bunch of people were like “yeah we knew that”. Some people just need all the damn attention 🙄

[@evarodriguez4319]

Do not tell mom. Put her on do not disturb. Tell her she will not get any information until she proves she is trust worthy. If she keeps interfering, block her. Tell her God protects your home. And that you've read that a mother who curses her daughter has the curse reversed back to her. Wish her luck then no contact.

[@nakaidakahn8283]

She needs to ask her mother if she wanted to harm both you and your unborn child by putting you under so much stress

[@streamerssaymyname]

I'd take pics of her note and curse items and keep a list of all her abusive behavior, then get a restraining order and never let her be around the kids. She won't change, she will hurt OP to maintian control, imagine what she'd do to a baby for revenge.

[@LaineyBug2020]

Story 1: I would post her note to her social media and let everyone know what she did! Then take it to the cops and get a restraining order!

[@LorienInksong]

What a horrible mother. Clearly she doesn't care about her child, her child's spouse, and her grandchild. No contact and I'd move when the opportunity arose. Second Story- That Wife Needs Therapy Third Story- Hahaha deserved. Probably did that lady a favor.

[@katx9697]

Tell the Mum, you hired another witch to bless the house and that she'd had laid mirrors and reflective emblems across your home. See how quick she takes it back.

[@MsUnamusedNerd]

STORY 1: *NTA* Mom is a nosy manipulator. First she lied about where she was going so she can snoop into her son-in-law’s office and quickly plays the court he’s having an affair” accusation without asking any questions first. OP is the one that is pregnant and she has every right to go about the pregnancy however she wants. Mom can be excited about being a grandma but she needs to know her boundaries and quit acting like this is her surrogate pregnancy….

[@professorrosenstock5026]

S1: Trust me, it's best not to tell people right away. I've nearly had a mental breakdown from my aunt's miscarriages and such when I was a child.

[@Undomaranel]

And that's what happens when people choose to think with their emotions instead of applying a shred of logic. -Granny wants baby news, her only crime is wanting to be a granny -Granny gets put on an info diet, told to respect boundaries and prove she is worthy -Granny, rage filled, puts a curse on her pregnant daughter, son in law, their house, and her grandchild(ren). Yeah, way to show you love your family granny. Or, more importantly, it goes to show you only think of yourself. Literally every step was all about you and not about your daughter's well being or safety. This is why you're supposed to attend school, is to learn how to get out if the spoiled brat phase. Unfortunately many people don't.

[@wifetonic3825]

Story 1) They should've burned the hex bundle instead of throwing it away, IMPO; regardless of if they thought it would have any effect or not, it would've shown OP's mother that they aren't going to humour her out-of-line action in what is essentially a witchcraft-tinged temper tantrum. Also, the fact that she **tried to curse her daughter, son-in-law, AND unborn grandchildren** falls into the category of intent to cause harm (fatal or otherwise, depending on how the bundle was made) - another extremely over-the-line action for both her status as a mother and as a "member" of the witchcraft community. So, in conclusion: harassment, breach of privacy, causing stress to a pregnant woman carrying two unborn children (a dangerous situation in and of itself), trespassing, and committing an act with the intent of causing possible fatal harm to her family. I think that would be enough to set a Granny Ban on OP's mother for at least a very long time.

[@nicc9613]

1st story - I would have said gramma is a write off with that level of escalation and use of flying monkeys

[@silverwurm]

OP: Mom you’ve violated our trust and won’t receive any more info Mom:Curses!

[@reggiereggiesauce5755]

Bro the next update to Story 1 is insane: **TW: death** OP loses one of the twins, her in-laws flew over to be supportive, and OP and husband have decided to move to husband’s home country. Where does this leave OP’s mum? Yelling and crying on their front lawn, begging for forgiveness despite never apologising, before she ends up having a heart attack and also dying…

[@browniewin4121]

1) It was sweet of how OP let her husband know they were expecting. That intrusive mom does not deserve to be in OP life and know what is happening. Going into her son-in-law's office ... WTH?! Making baseless accusations against OP's husband. Telling everyone after asked to keep this to herself. NO do not tell her anything, do not answer her calls, block her. She has no rights to anything OP does not want her to know. Make sure the doctors and hospital know she is not welcome and is to be told nothing. After update: I'm glad OP got good advice, and that she and DH will be meeting with her to tell her to back off. Not surprised she did not take this well. I'm glad there will be cameras, and locks changed. Wow ... what an evil mom to threaten harm just because she is not being allowed to intrude. I hope OP and DH will go NC. permanently and keep their children away from this horrible parent. 2) WTH is wrong with OP's wife that she would try to pull this crap ... good for OP for not letting his wife do her best to be obnoxious at the wedding. NTA. I hope OP does not have kids with this woman who can be so nasty ... why? She is letting her jealousy run rampant. I think she needs therapy and OP needs to reconsider their relationship if that doesn't help. 3) OP did that girl a favor. Kudos for such absolutely perfect petty revenge. Excellent closure.