My Muzzleloader Exploded

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Thompson/Center Arms

Thompson/Center Arms

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@ronniepuckett4293
@ronniepuckett4293 Ай бұрын
I cannot wait to get a new encore with t/c arms Rochester NH engraved in the barrel!!! I'm so so glad that T/C is back baby... Thank you from the bottom of my heart Greg Ritz
@Latemodellisa
@Latemodellisa Ай бұрын
I have the pro hunter series,best decision I ever made
@philipgross3796
@philipgross3796 Ай бұрын
So Happy to hear TC is back !!!
@richardburch6424
@richardburch6424 Ай бұрын
I haven't seen that there back yet? I'm still waiting
@liberty7835
@liberty7835 Ай бұрын
I'll never buy a Smith again because of that
@richardburch6424
@richardburch6424 Ай бұрын
I haven't seen that yet are back. I keep seeing all these videos.. and they are cool. But let's focus on getting back the TC'S on the market then make the videos
@sinisterthoughts2896
@sinisterthoughts2896 Ай бұрын
​​@@richardburch6424 *they're, and yeah, they are coming back. This is a new video on the company channel after all.
@richardburch6424
@richardburch6424 Ай бұрын
I get it a new video. I can see that. However that's all I'm seeing is videos. All in saying is focus on getting TC back on the market. People already know the name is a popular band. Do all the videos later
@ralphperez4862
@ralphperez4862 Ай бұрын
Years ago, we were out hunting antelope with our Hawkens. My buddy had needed to pull a load as he couldn't remember what his load was. He put th screw jig on the ramrod and somehow he broke the the ramrod. With about 12 inches of ramrod showing, we were stuck. We fashioned a rope to pull the trigger remotely much like you've done in ths experiment. Once fired the ramrod could be heard whirling across the desert. We tested it by reloading it with my ramrod. It worked perfectly. It was a testament to the durability of our old T/C Hawkens. I still have 3 of these. Thanks for the video.
@tlloyd9325
@tlloyd9325 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this demonstration. You very possibly saved some newbie’s life. Hate to see the Encore destroyed but very informative.
@clintlagerberg
@clintlagerberg Ай бұрын
That was a mighty sacrifice Gregg!! Priceless information for new and experienced hunters. That blown up Encore would display nice on a plaque in the TC office as a warning against smokeless powder!!
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 Ай бұрын
This very thing is why I preach to always mark your ramrod where your load charge depth is.
@shythawks9549
@shythawks9549 Ай бұрын
I love how he said “mistakes happen”. I was always thigh mistakes cannot happen when it comes to muzzle loaders and firearms…ever
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 Ай бұрын
@@shythawks9549 the first-time you dry ball a muzzle loader you will be humbled, it's a case of when, not if. Thats why you should carry a ball-puller attachment for your ramrod.
@wzhaicthtaarkyer
@wzhaicthtaarkyer Ай бұрын
First thing I thought of, Mark the ram rod
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 Ай бұрын
@@wzhaicthtaarkyer ^~^
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 Ай бұрын
@@ditzydoo4378 don't mind the safety reminder but technically this model doesn't count as a true muzzle/pipe-loader ( one of my favourite is the uk 1750~ wheel lock brown-bess in a repop 4ft~barrelled as the originals by now are probably to fragile to use daily/hunt's and for reliable self defence ) and is closer relations to my brake actions Winchester21 1890's~ and the breaching ( don't own or plans for owning and same for oil polymer&stamp'd-types ) sharps1840-70~/civil war era legally speaking my USA-state's DWS/game-warden probably wouldn't let it/you use it on bisons,ram's,Turkey hunt-black-powder-only for better or worse and im not the typical types of snobby owners/collectible/bureaucrat
@jerryscray1789
@jerryscray1789 Ай бұрын
The flex in the barrell on that 2nd shot was crazy
@curlymaple42
@curlymaple42 Ай бұрын
Inoticed that too!!!
@codysp
@codysp Ай бұрын
You should get ahold of the guys at Ballistic High Speed and have them film these tests. Would be super cool!
@charlesmckinley29
@charlesmckinley29 Ай бұрын
Yep
@jimthomas1989
@jimthomas1989 Ай бұрын
Been Muzzle Loading for 40 years , got 2 guns , NEVER been that careless , never will .
@murpbassett4818
@murpbassett4818 Ай бұрын
Reap what you sow. That's what I say,
@billwhite1966
@billwhite1966 Ай бұрын
I was thinking natural selection... Everybody goofs up but my God.. That's why you double check yourself
@Huzzunga
@Huzzunga 20 күн бұрын
I always fired my black powder muzzle loader into a bank of dirt when leaving the hunting area. I can’t imagine leaving any hunting rifle loaded for transport. The hunts over for the day, discharge, clean, and store Pretty simple
@shythawks9549
@shythawks9549 Ай бұрын
I’ve been an ml hunter for 20 years and never once did I forget if I had left it loaded. But double loading!?! If you do forget and double load, your friends and family should never, ever let you live that down for the rest of your life. Muzzle loader safety, firearm safety should never be failed. If it is you shouldn’t be able to live it down. that one mistake could be your, or someone else’s life. Hearing him say “mistakes happen” when talking about this shocked me haha.
@duybear4023
@duybear4023 Ай бұрын
At the Battle of Gettysburg, the Union Army salvaged 24,000 rifles which were still loaded and found 18,000 of them had been loaded twice or more without being fired. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifles_in_the_American_Civil_War#:~:text=At%20the%20Battle%20of%20Gettysburg,or%20more%20without%20being%20fired.
@duybear4023
@duybear4023 Ай бұрын
Never happened to me but it does happen.
@ecl357mm
@ecl357mm Ай бұрын
I have to admit, not solicited, that I once left the ramrod in a savage smokeless powder rig. Gun wasn't hurt at all but I was below the eye when the scope bit me. Physics are very real, that "equal and opposite reaction" thing holds true. I wasn't sure what happened initially but I put two and two together and found my ramrod maybe 25 yards away, fiberglass splintered and frayed. I don't recommend trying it.
@jeffdaniels4945
@jeffdaniels4945 Ай бұрын
They shouldn’t happen but unfortunately they do.
@1nfamyX
@1nfamyX 28 күн бұрын
You have to be specially rarted to do that. There are so many ways to avoid double loading, you can put a cap on & see if it fires at a range, you can mark the depth of the ramrod before or after loading and see if the mark lines up, you can just write on a piece of masking tape "loaded" & peel it off when youre gonna use it with no glue residue left, the list goes on. Im sure theres gonna be a lot of copium in these replies.
@Jeff-oc6me
@Jeff-oc6me Ай бұрын
I just hope that they bring them all back
@jacksponsler9341
@jacksponsler9341 Ай бұрын
Glad you’re back working with TC, it will have better direction because of it!!!
@kathleenfoster9887
@kathleenfoster9887 Ай бұрын
Bruce here; great video everyone who shoots blackpowder only guns should watch it.
@garyh1449
@garyh1449 Ай бұрын
I remember testing a Hawken to see what it would take. Ken French and i took it to a Farmington NH range and I won't say here what we used but that Hawken took way more than I would have thought.
@codylovelace2237
@codylovelace2237 Ай бұрын
Saw a video on the tube of them filling it with powder till you could just fit a bullet in. Shot fine other than it broke the stock from all the kick lol
@DB-yj3qc
@DB-yj3qc Ай бұрын
Interesting, the stock on mine has a hairline crack on left side, it's my wall hanger. A friend gave it to me some years back. Along with a bunch of other shooting stuff, he took a job overseas and didn't have anywhere to store it.
@backwoodscharlie8483
@backwoodscharlie8483 Ай бұрын
I've been muzzle Loader hunting for the past 25 years. I have a Thompson center New Englander. 100 grains of pyrodex select behind a 180 gr bullet is more than adequate for white tail.
@pme166
@pme166 Күн бұрын
Thanks for sacrificing a personal gun to this test. It was fascinating to see the strength of the design in action.
@terryhodgson2357
@terryhodgson2357 14 күн бұрын
I can't tell you how glad I am to see TC back up and running. Anxiously awaiting new Contenders and Encores.
@_justgrant
@_justgrant 11 күн бұрын
I always wanted a TC years ago, and was unaware that they went under in recent years, but I feel like the company is in good hands now and am in a position to purchase a TC as soon as you start selling again. Thank you for all that you all are doing.
@chrisowen5497
@chrisowen5497 Ай бұрын
I sure hope you’re planning on making some more of those! 😊
@rafaelmadrigal1534
@rafaelmadrigal1534 15 күн бұрын
Very good information. I am not familiar with muzzle loaders, but, I learned something that may save my life if I ever decide to go into muzzle loading firearms. loved the information. Thank you for taking your time to do this episode.
@boygirlandadad5814
@boygirlandadad5814 Ай бұрын
Huge fan of the TC Encores! So I used to have a FFL and a brick and mortar. A customer once came in to buy a Encore ramrod. He looked like he just got beat up by Mike Tyson. Long story short- he shot his ramrod, got KO'd, woke up feeling dead. 150 grains of pellets, 300gr sabot and rod.... that rod is solid aluminum. The gun and barrel survived both times he did it! Both times? A few weeks later he did it again!!!!😂
@davemeise2192
@davemeise2192 Ай бұрын
LOL I used to hunt with a neighbour who shot his ramrod. Two times as well. His were three years apart though.
@kenofken9458
@kenofken9458 20 күн бұрын
I think he might have made that up as a cover story because he had a habit of getting mouthy at the bar after a 12 pack!🤣
@davemeise2192
@davemeise2192 20 күн бұрын
@@kenofken9458 LOL. I think you might be right as nothing happened when my neighbour shot his ramrod except he had to get another one. He said it kicked really hard though.
@kenofken9458
@kenofken9458 20 күн бұрын
@@davemeise2192 It just makes no sense for a ramrod firing to ever happen outside of the context of a mid or early 19th Century battle environment. Unless someone is severely drunk or high, there's just no excuse. There's no deer hunt worth your life.
@davemeise2192
@davemeise2192 19 күн бұрын
@@kenofken9458 My neighbour got pretty excited when he saw a moose and was hunting with his muzzleloader. In his excitement, after the first shot, he didn't remove the ramrod from reloading. I've never understood getting that excited as the first shot is what really counts. Place it well and you can take whatever time you need to make a follow up shot.
@DB-yj3qc
@DB-yj3qc Ай бұрын
When I saw the video image, I about wanted to cry. Thinking about my Encore in my gun safe, when I got it as a 300 W.M. and 30.06 barrel combination a few years later I bought a 50 cal muzzle loading barrel for it. Because my Black Diamond 209 holder had corroded in breach plug and I could not get a replacement. It was almost a year to get one. FYI, Thanks for bringing T/C back. I've got 2 other muzzle loaders from T/C beside my Encore. I can't wait to see more optional barrels for it. I don't really recommend the 300 W.M. for shooting in warm weather without a muzzle break. I find it slightly abusive to the shoulder.
@lloydsims1573
@lloydsims1573 13 күн бұрын
shooting and reloaded pistol (.38, .357, 9mm), 8mm Mauser, 243 Win., 20 ga. 'rifled' slug, and .50 cal TC Renegade with 325 gr Maxiball. Great video.
@bruceferrell3394
@bruceferrell3394 Ай бұрын
Best safety advice I've heard all year. Well done
@MPS-y5k
@MPS-y5k Ай бұрын
Very impressive to see the Big Boss taking the time to make a great educational video! Thank you for bringing back a Great, American Muzzleloading Company! I recently sold my Omega, to a good friend, it served me well for many years. Now I want a new production Encore!
@dennistennyson4540
@dennistennyson4540 14 күн бұрын
I applaud you gentlemen for this demonstration, may it save lives.
@johnnymccann5607
@johnnymccann5607 Ай бұрын
here in north carolina a in line muzzle loader builder was selling a in line using no sabots .the 45 caliber jacketed bullets fit perfectly to rifling and lands he used smokeless powder .I don't remember the powder or charge but it cronygraphed 3600fps , 6400 ft/lb energy power. I do know he operated in yadkin count
@ryanfriars545
@ryanfriars545 23 күн бұрын
The way that barrel flexes when it’s fired is unreal! Crazy to see it’s held up so far. 10:40
@thomasehrhart4461
@thomasehrhart4461 20 күн бұрын
Pretty impressive that it survived double charged and double loaded. My encore MZ is over 20 years old and good to know that it could survive operator error like that.
@carolmartin7042
@carolmartin7042 Ай бұрын
Thank you. Only remember firing a black powder rifle once. Your video was educating. Thanks again.
@SeanBrasher-u4d
@SeanBrasher-u4d Ай бұрын
Three 50gr. Pyrodex pellets, 150gr. - no worries. Accurate every time. Love the vid, the breech plug held - gives me confidence in the newer system, but I loved the strength of the old one. I’m glad to see the newer breech plug held up, it is easier. I’m sold on it. Love Thompson Encore, the best gun ever made.
@jeffreyburney6161
@jeffreyburney6161 Ай бұрын
If you get a pound of loose black powder, you’ll get approximately 70 shots per pound of powder. 100 grains by volume is equal to 150 grains of the pellets. Also, you have a very consistent burn too, and there’s less residue. It’s not hard to measure the powder as long as you can read.
@DB-yj3qc
@DB-yj3qc Ай бұрын
I use 100gn with my inlines. I've thought about using the regular types of powder but figured I'd stay consistent systems. Especially being a reloader of a few other calibers already.
@MTLeadSlanger
@MTLeadSlanger Ай бұрын
My uncle borrowed my dads Omega once. Dad loaded it for him, told him it was loaded, let him go hunt with it, but he didn’t get anything. It’s a good thing too, because he loaded it again. The next week, my dad got it back and went out himself. Had a huge buck walk out about 75 yards from him so he took his shot and got scoped bad. That said, he did kill the buck AND he still hunts with the same rifle years later.
@elmoelmo242
@elmoelmo242 22 күн бұрын
thank you so much Mr. Ritz I and gonna get a brand new encore once you start selling!
@Justiin211
@Justiin211 19 күн бұрын
Still love my ProHunter Fx! Hope you guys can restart production for existing and new MZ products
@WilliamSMorris-wv4hz
@WilliamSMorris-wv4hz Ай бұрын
When are the new ones coming available?
@ghostedyoutuber263
@ghostedyoutuber263 17 күн бұрын
If I cannot try this at home, can I try this at work?
@keithhogan3199
@keithhogan3199 Ай бұрын
Awesome video. It helps to visualize what happens when you make mistakes. I have developed a habit of using my ramrod before loading to verify an empty barrel. Thanks
@butchgeagan9768
@butchgeagan9768 19 күн бұрын
I too am happy TC is back. Are you making any of the old Contender barrels?
@LameWolff
@LameWolff Ай бұрын
Impressed with the breach plug.
@NotchFox
@NotchFox Ай бұрын
Who has ever stored a blackpowder firearm, after shooting, for a year and not come back to a rusty mess?
@cornbread6158
@cornbread6158 Ай бұрын
I’ve heard of it before
@Marksgunsandgear
@Marksgunsandgear Ай бұрын
That’s a myth I have kept a black powder pistol loaded for over a year and it fired fine with no rust
@shythawks9549
@shythawks9549 Ай бұрын
@@MarksgunsandgearI’m just going to go ahead and be the one to point out that, that is sad lol
@longrider42
@longrider42 Ай бұрын
Even if I only fire one round, I will clean my rifle completely. Yes I've left pistols loaded for a few months, but never more then 6 months.
@Marksgunsandgear
@Marksgunsandgear Ай бұрын
@@shythawks9549 how is that sad?
@mrkeego1769
@mrkeego1769 Ай бұрын
I remember reading about some horrific cases during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars from French doctors when I was doing my masters about both untrained soldiers and revolutionaries new to combat causing themselves great injuries because of double, or even triple loading, their muskets. That situation is obviously different - they were terrified in combat and were scared to pull the trigger and would often reload on top of their already loaded powder and shot. Some of those who came back to camp after a battle would tip out two or three balls and whatever powder was left because they just never fired.
@JBJHonez
@JBJHonez Ай бұрын
I actually clean mine after season anyways. It helps keep the buildup down and keeps the corrosion at a minimum
@shythawks9549
@shythawks9549 Ай бұрын
BINGO! I have never shot any of my firearms or muzzle loaders and just went home and put them back into the safe without cleaning them. It’s just one of the steps to ml and firearm safety in my opinion. Even being a newbie that shouldn’t be an excuse.
@gcaskew
@gcaskew Ай бұрын
I've got my Renegade ready to go this year. I really want an Encore Pro Hunter, please build them again.
@daddski1
@daddski1 Ай бұрын
It has always been my understanding that modern powder is not faster burning, in fact very slow in comparison but because of its makeup and materials it creates massive pressures in comparison. Am I incorrect? Slo motion testing we have done shows bp instant poof while modern is a long burn?
@richardt.4224
@richardt.4224 4 күн бұрын
I enjoyed that, so thank you for sharing it with us. I have a couple of comments about it though. I saw your powder measure was plastic or acrylic! I was under the impression those materials can carry a static electrical charge and therefore could spark and ignite! But I also know there are some plastics which don't. I would have preferred to see the two main guys walk down without the camera man ahead of you, as it gives the wrong impression of safety. Good video thanks.
@cageordie
@cageordie Ай бұрын
LOL! You murdered it! You murdered YOUR gun! I expect you are getting yourself a new one.
@jaybrown9149
@jaybrown9149 Ай бұрын
I'm willing to bet he's "got a guy for that"!
@krockpotbroccoli65
@krockpotbroccoli65 Ай бұрын
First new one off the line goes in his safe...
@twestgard2
@twestgard2 Ай бұрын
Those safety glasses did a great job of protecting his forehead the entire time! 😂
@chub4141
@chub4141 Ай бұрын
If you have it closed down who's still shooting at the end of the video
@unbalancedredneck5778
@unbalancedredneck5778 Ай бұрын
While I whole heartedly agree to never use smokeless in a muzzle loader. 120 gr by volume of Accurate 2015 would blow up most modern rifles that were intended for smokeless powder. In fact most rifle cases couldn’t even hold that much. With that being said, I understand how easy that mistake would be to make and Thank you for making the video to highlight the very real danger. Especially if you figure the powder used here was in the middle of the burn rate chart. Great video that I will be sharing with the hunter education class my grandson is attending this weekend.
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo Ай бұрын
It was almost like they blew up the gun on purpose, in the same way they could have blown up any shotgun or centerfire barrel by using the wrong amount of the wrong powder. Have they ever heard of the Savage 10ML muzzleloader? What would the loads for the Savage 10ML do in this rifle?
@immikeurnot
@immikeurnot Ай бұрын
Yeah, that was a LOT of 2015. Most stuff that holds a LOT of powder uses a much slower powder than 2015...
@LiveFree-pk8ej
@LiveFree-pk8ej 26 күн бұрын
The barrel whip on the second shot was cool
@nar4790
@nar4790 Ай бұрын
Are you guys going to make some fast twist barrels for the higher bc bullets that are out? Love my TCs
@blackpressurecartridgesolu9028
@blackpressurecartridgesolu9028 Ай бұрын
Based on the MSD sheet for the product, BlackHorn209 is 83% smokeless powder (nitrocellulose). The Guanidine Nitrate and the Potassium Perchlorate in the product are corrosive. We can also blow up the barrel of any centerfire rifle by using the wrong type and amount of smokeless propellant. The same is true for all shotgun barrels.
@willPenny
@willPenny Ай бұрын
And people complained that that there Damascus guns blew up when they loaded Schulz powder with a powder measure instead of weight, Shults is close to Unque in burn speed, it is amazing how strong those barrels were that people were not injured more severely than they were.
@esw2348
@esw2348 Ай бұрын
It’s a good idea to color code the ramrod.. if you see green.. good to go.. red.. Stop!! Do not shoot!!
@Digglerdirk79-l4y
@Digglerdirk79-l4y Ай бұрын
It's a better idea to just dont be a dumbass
@portersorensen8814
@portersorensen8814 Ай бұрын
Or just mark it with a line for simplicity
@tonydeangelo7317
@tonydeangelo7317 Ай бұрын
Quite a testament to the strength of that Encore barrel!
@oldsargescoutsout757
@oldsargescoutsout757 Ай бұрын
No one I know has ever put a charged muzzle loader away for the season.
@lae52
@lae52 Ай бұрын
As a die hard flintlock shooter, I don't believe caplocks will ever catch on. But it is a really great video! Thanks for putting it out.
@brokentoe570
@brokentoe570 Ай бұрын
I have been shooting blackpowder myself for over 40 some years. Never shot anything, but blackpowder. In my firearms. You can keep your in-lines. I will stay with my flintlock. Enjoy , everyone has their own liking.
@harlyjock1
@harlyjock1 Ай бұрын
Good Luck replacing that stock, rare. Hopefully you'll be selling them again. TCing since 1981
@Chris-qw2iz
@Chris-qw2iz Ай бұрын
I love how he insists on it’s a private range that is closed and then at 16:09 you can clearly hear shooting.
@davidschow6142
@davidschow6142 Ай бұрын
There are also other people in the same section of the range.
@Chris-qw2iz
@Chris-qw2iz Ай бұрын
@@davidschow6142 but he was down range when the shooting occurred.
@ieuanhunt552
@ieuanhunt552 10 күн бұрын
Private doesn't mean completely abandoned. It just means it's not open to the general public
@jeffhuntley2921
@jeffhuntley2921 Ай бұрын
I always run a 209 through my rifle before my first load each year and mark my ram rod for my load for the year
@pierregodin1668
@pierregodin1668 Ай бұрын
I my safety cours on muscle loader gun, i encourage students to identify the ram rod. First chamber empty, insert ram rod and mark , next load the powder, insert rod and mark rod, third insert bullet and seat, insert ram rod and mark.This third mark will indicate a loaded misled loader. Now if during the loading you are distracted and not sure of which step you are at during loading procedure, incert ram rod and check which mark shows up, the one that is level with the barrel will indicate which step or fully loaded you are at.
@rogermorrill4700
@rogermorrill4700 29 күн бұрын
Is interesting to see the flex of the barrel with the double charge.
@kirkethridge2500
@kirkethridge2500 Ай бұрын
It will be great to have T/C as an active company again!
@PaulGriffin-ox1gp
@PaulGriffin-ox1gp Ай бұрын
I actually have one of the first models out of the custom shop. It's a nice muzzleloader, pistol, rifle, shotgun. I have to break mine down completely just to clean the thing. I bought a Smith and Wesson barrel and it's gone out of round in the chamber and I'm going to purchase an original TC Encore pistol barrel and scope up and sight in and hunt.
@jeffward8278
@jeffward8278 Ай бұрын
I recently purchased a encore with a very bad trigger pull. After taking it apart, someone had filed on the hammer and sear. I was wondering when parts will become available to buy? I can't find a hammer and sear anywhere.
@Almost_Made_It
@Almost_Made_It Ай бұрын
It would be pretty sweet if you made a muzzle loader capable of handling a NORMAL load of smokeless. Some states require muzzle loaders for certain hunting and I’m sure people used to reloading other cartridges would prefer just working up a load with powder they already have rather than diving into the black powder world
@BeetleBuns
@BeetleBuns Ай бұрын
we do NOT need more of that in our muzzleloader woods... the idiots running around with cheap inlines are bad enough. Smokeless muzzleloaders should remain in the custom realm.
@jeffreyburney6161
@jeffreyburney6161 Ай бұрын
Actually diving into the black powder world as far easier than dealing with smokeless powder. I reload smokeless cartridges and everything has to be absolutely precise from the type of powder you use even the type of primer and cartridges. Black powder is far more easier to deal with because everything is measured by volume and not weight. Only thing you have to worry about is if your primer are 209 MZ. There are over 100 different types of smokeless powder each one has a different burn rate. I’m sure you do not want to have to carry a weighing scale out to the field with you.
@jeffreyburney6161
@jeffreyburney6161 Ай бұрын
@@BeetleBuns I absolutely agree because muzzleloading season is for muzzleloaders. Even though I’m a big gun fan, I still believe in just having a season dedicated to enjoying the experience of black powder hunting. I honestly believe people are wanting to use smokeless powder during muzzleloading season. They suggest stick to modern firearms and leave muzzleloaders alone because it’s obvious that muzzleloading isn’t for them.
@jeffhays1968
@jeffhays1968 Ай бұрын
Smokeless loads are impossible to 'work up' for the average shooter, unlike a bolt action center fire rifle where there is reams of loading data. Smokeless pressures can spike from just an over charge of a couple grains or less, and there is very little load data out there currently. The average hunter/shooter is for sure out of his league with this. There is load data on DVD's being sold online on Ebay and elsewhere of supposedly low pressure smokeless loading data good for any inline modern gun. Blackhorn average load pressure runs around 25,000 PSI while many centerfire bolt rifle rounds are double that. I get it if a smokeless load runs under 25,000 PSI it is likely safe, but how many folks are gonna get hurt playing that game ?
@jeffhays1968
@jeffhays1968 Ай бұрын
@@jeffreyburney6161 A couple states are screwing the thing up with allowing straight wall centerfire in the muzzle loader season. 100% I am against that.
@stanleystrycharz2572
@stanleystrycharz2572 Ай бұрын
These are all possible mistakes. Knowing how to safely handle and use muzzle loading firearms takes attention to detail. Be safe and it's a fun and rewarding sport. However, I have always wondered why not just build the muzzleloader to smokeless specifications? It would be a win / win type of product. A- it would be over designed for black powder and this very safe and B- it would be able to handle smokeless powder too. There would have to be the warning that the two powders are measured differently. One by weight and one by volume but again that would come under attention to detail. Something most gun owners practice as a matter of course. Great video!!
@user-po7iv4ni3o
@user-po7iv4ni3o Ай бұрын
Thanks for taking care of this one, definitely better for Scott in KY to stay away 😂 Better for everyone to stay away, to be sure.
@xrayron1
@xrayron1 29 күн бұрын
Buckhorn Magnum still going after 15 years. Last load in from the year before go to the range shoot 50 yards (all I have for a shot where I am) hit within 1 inch of bull and I'm all set. I know that I didn't get a deer the year before because I AM HUNGRY for more deer. No mishaps so far.
@Stetsonhatman
@Stetsonhatman 21 күн бұрын
As a teenager I was concerned with my limited experience about double charges or if the projectile moved down the barrel prior to discharge so I marked my ramrod with a normal charge and projectile was flush with the end of the barrel so I could do a quick check. ps would have been good to have a moist paper plate in front of the barrel to see if the second charge burned or was just pushed out unburnt.
@heathergraves2163
@heathergraves2163 Ай бұрын
A friends son just had his muzzle loader explode in his hands 2 weeks ago. He’s had 7 surgeries so far, lost an eye and part of his thumb and pinky. He’s lucky to be alive and to only have those injuries.
@minbari001
@minbari001 6 күн бұрын
Had a wee tear in the eye at the demise of that TC Encore😪 But nevertheless, it was a worthwhile price for a Valid and Important Lesson, I Love shooting Black Powder but don't get to indulge in here in the UK anymore, but when I did, I always made it best Practice verging on Ritual to Rod the Rifle Regularly, I always took a Painted Gauge rod with me that showed Green when properly loaded, but if you could see RED showing the the Rifle was Deemed Unsafe until Dealt with but it was better to lose a Ball and powder Charge, than your life or that of a bystander. Best wishes from across the Pond & Stay Safe Y'all ❤ 👍
@MrMunchman69
@MrMunchman69 Ай бұрын
My brother had a CVA blow up in his hands. Split the barrel 10 inches apart up an down. The bottom part was a sharp point that put a hole in his shirt right outside his heart. The projectile went in front of me by a foot in front of my face. I think he only needed 10 stitches to keep his thumb. He remembers that was the hardest kick he felt from any rifle. Investigation found there was a small blister inside the barrel. (Edit to fix auto correct mistake)
@leneanderthalien
@leneanderthalien 2 күн бұрын
It's very simple to avoid double charge: you just need to put a high visibility mark on the ramrod when the weapon is loaded = if you do a double charge you cannot then not notice it
@nelhead4807
@nelhead4807 Ай бұрын
Breaks my heart seeing that 209 being spilled that shat ain’t cheap anymore
@bradmarking9106
@bradmarking9106 Ай бұрын
Nice to see you do these videos for us,keep it up you are on the right path!
@darylhoughtlen225
@darylhoughtlen225 Ай бұрын
beginning of the season I cleaned my rifle taking out the breach plug and pushing the cleaning rod all the way through the barrel and breach. marking the ram rod with 3 different colors 1 mark is unloaded i like that to be green 2 mark is powder only my mark is blue 3 is fully loaded and that mark i use is red. i prefer Pyradex pellets 50gr each by 3 pellets for 150gr and a 243gr hollow point
@darylhoughtlen225
@darylhoughtlen225 Ай бұрын
sorry I forgot to include my projectile would be Powerbelt .243gr hollow piont with the green tip
@brianwood7882
@brianwood7882 Ай бұрын
How about the warranties on past products?
@InWithBothFeet
@InWithBothFeet Ай бұрын
Private range, everything closed down and you hear shots in the background while he's loading. LOL
@thomasduffey42
@thomasduffey42 Ай бұрын
I hope new ones are on the way??
@curlymaple42
@curlymaple42 Ай бұрын
I appreciate the generalization concerning smokeless powder to make the point to NOT use it in a muzzleloader. Being a handloader though made me wonder what the burn rate of that powder was and if someone wants to donate guns and powder to test different powders! Lets use Bullseye for one and 50BMG powder for another to see how different they react. That would be interesting.
@wc153221
@wc153221 Ай бұрын
As a gunsmith I see this all the time. I often pull the breech plug and try to drive the rounds out through the breech. They usually have to use a long drill bit and drill out the balls. I have had guys try to fire double loads but since the load has been in the gun for most of a year and the gun will not fire due to the powder going bad. I school the owner to fire the round out in the field before they go home. Then pull the plug and clean the barrel. Even synthetic black power is somewhat corrosive. I have seen gun that were set aside loaded and plug is so corroded it needs replacement and sometimes the barrel is so pitted it needs to be replaced. So, never take your gun home loaded and clean it even if you didn’t take a shot.
@corbanballek4496
@corbanballek4496 Ай бұрын
Didn't it blow up cuz you strapped it down so the force help blow it up maybe?
@richardmedeiros4337
@richardmedeiros4337 Ай бұрын
I have two marks on my ramrod one for target and one for hunting, run a lub patch before you go shooting and it takes some thinking
@youngbuck3006
@youngbuck3006 Ай бұрын
I watched a buddy use IMR (2134 or 3031) powder in a sidelock that only melted the sabot. He killed many deer with that load. Not recommending, but burn rate is a factor to consider. The condition most commonly reported in muzzleloader fatalities was improperly seating the projectile and leaving a void.
@mikewright2917
@mikewright2917 Ай бұрын
I hope TC stands behind their stuff better than they used too had nothing but headaches trying to get an encore taken care of. The thing would average 7 inch groups at 100 yds but according to TC that is perfectly acceptable
@GeorgeLeshko
@GeorgeLeshko Ай бұрын
another way is to load the gun and put the ramrod in it after it is loaded with the charge you are going to shoot all the time and then take a knife and cut a light grove around ramrod buy twisting the ramrod and mark it.. You can just put the ramrod in the barrel and see if the mark is at the top of the barrel and you will know right away if the gun is loaded if it is at the mark.. i do this to all my muzzleloaders after i work up a good load that i shoot all the time.. the clank of the ramrod hitting and empty barrel works well too if the gun is not loaded.. good shooting and stay safe.. Great video and thank you for do this demo
@MLSPlatforms
@MLSPlatforms Ай бұрын
Hope TC revives the Dimension Rifle with interchangeable barrels I have 2 receivers and 6 barrels great guns
@Gary-o1d
@Gary-o1d Ай бұрын
Love my CVA scout. I would love to have an upgrade!
@jimmymcdonald1638
@jimmymcdonald1638 Ай бұрын
It's a good idea to make a mark on your ramrod so if your load is incorrect you have a visual reference
@davemeise2192
@davemeise2192 Ай бұрын
When I was quite a bit younger I intentionally loaded a double charge of 2f (100 grains per charge) in my 58 caliber and then loaded two 58 caliber patched round balls on top of it. It kicked pretty hard but, thankfully, nothing bad happened. BTW, one round ball completely missed the paper at 50 yards. :-(
@tomcurran8470
@tomcurran8470 Ай бұрын
The key word is "younger," LOL.
@aaawman2280
@aaawman2280 Ай бұрын
I just want to know where you got the black horn 209 that stuffs a unicorn.
@m.b.underwood9425
@m.b.underwood9425 Ай бұрын
Mid south shooters Clarksville, Tn.
@DB-yj3qc
@DB-yj3qc Ай бұрын
​@@m.b.underwood9425 Dang it you let the cat out of the bag. 🤭
@slimjimmy229
@slimjimmy229 Ай бұрын
The worst thing I've ever done to my old T/C Omega is I had my loading jag threads break off when I was loading a bullet in. I did not catch it. I had 115gr of Blackhorn under a 300gr Harvester PT Gold bullet. I'm not sure what a 6" brass jag weighs, but that damn thing kicked the hell out of me. The gun survived perfectly fine.
@ChrisSchleicher-p2e
@ChrisSchleicher-p2e 10 күн бұрын
Same thing happened to me!
@bobbbobb1624
@bobbbobb1624 Ай бұрын
When I went hunting with dad as a kid he always told me to pick a tree before we left for the day. Wish you guys still replaced the barrels on the old TC center Pennsylvania match though.
@paddywonka
@paddywonka 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for showing us how not to use safety glasses, no hearing protection either. Camera man down range on left, 14:15 during filming. Thanks for showing us all these common mistakes, while making more yourself.
@jasonhaga5412
@jasonhaga5412 Ай бұрын
Great video! Loving all these new T/C videos.
@DroseMr
@DroseMr Ай бұрын
Best firearm bar none. I max 250 gr sabot at 120 gr powder. Anything over 120gr causes tumble. Great video. Thank You
@SuperSneakySteve
@SuperSneakySteve Ай бұрын
A primer ejector is something I wish my CVA had.
@travishawley1480
@travishawley1480 Ай бұрын
My buddys muzzy we were sighting in was double loaded a few years ago! Once i touched it off it took the hat right off my head, kicked like a damn horse, both projectiles hit the target but man did it ever scare the bejeebers out of me!
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