Flintlock vs. .308

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

The Renegade with traditional sights was the best primitive hunting rifle made. We need it made here in the U.S. again.

[@robbieandbeckie]

I second that!!!

[@michaelwhite9199]

Hear, Hear! I’d buy a new T/C Renegade flintlock in a second.

[@lancebiddle3883]

My dad passed down his Renegade to me last October. It's an amazing rifle. Very accurate. Once I got it sighted in I can shoot through my bullet holes on the target from 100yds. Hopefully I can take a deer with it this season!

[@krockpotbroccoli65]

I have far too many flintlocks as it is but I would buy one made in NH just to support local New England manufacturing!

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

@@krockpotbroccoli65 I would resemble that remark.

[@JeffandLeslie]

Thanks for showing this. I surely do hope TC will reintroduce some side hammer, wood stocked traditional style muzzleloaders (oh and please keep them at a reasonable price). One barrier to entry in the sport of muzzleloading is the cost of entry for a traditional style rifle as most today are custom made. A reliable accurate rifle like the original series of TC rifles for the price of a decent center fire (600 - 1000 depending on options) would be more than welcome.

[@markmarch9706]

Please start making the old muzzle loaders again. Many states have special seasons for them, and the only ones that are available now are made overseas.

[@markatthemission]

There are countless custom muzzle loader gun makers in America and they are priced as such. However look up Kibler rifles. They are made in USA and have very good quality and components.

[@markmarch9706]

@@markatthemission a lot of people can’t afford a custom made one. Hell in today’s economy it would be hard to afford a factory one , but is much more attainable for the average person.

[@markatthemission]

@@markmarch9706 I should have explained a little better. I read my comment and realized that. Kibler is a factory made gun. He sells kits. They are not cheap but certainly not the price of a custom rifle. In my opinion in this economy they are fairly priced. But as I said not cheap.

[@PhillipCrenshaw-u6m]

So funny video. it was weather from spring to winter a person who wasn't in a tree or a hunting blind who could not walk in the woods. That means Caveman skills. He know the plants and fish to survive. This guy is a JOKE in the mountains by himself wouldn't make it

[@jacobwilbert1018]

​@markatthemission Kiblers rifles you arent paying for the labor, obviously cuz you are doing it. But they are a boutique gun at factory prices and historically correct. There is no comparison, the lock itself is not even on the same planet as factory muzzleloaders.

[@andrewmcmullen1388]

My old T/C hawken flintlock can shoot a sub 3" group off a rest at 100yards. And yes i have the picture to prove it!

[@andrewmcmullen1388]

Please! At least a limited run of the flintlock hawken!

[@alaskatruoutdoors9238]

Man, I hope so!

[@StumpkillerCP]

Choke up on your ram-rod and push 8” at a time. Pushing from the far end is a good way to snap the rod and impale your hand.

[@lawrencehudson9939]

I am sure the market is too different today but I wish you would bring back those Hawken flintlocks. I saw an Icon when they were first introduced and I loved the action and the wood stock which used a sandwich process to make the stock more stable. Sure wish I had bought it then as I have never seen another.

[@popmon6446]

Please make Hawken and Patriot again. In USA. 🙏

[@chipandrews2892]

So excited you guys are coming back! I have an old T/C Hawken (mine is percussion cap) that is a tack driver and a joy to enjoy shooting!

[@philsajtar7487]

I hunted for over 20 yrs. w/ my TC Omega, up until 2020 when I got a .44 mag barrel for mt TC Contender. I have become a full time handgun hunter now & my Omega will be given to one of my grandsons in the next year or 2. Hope you produce some more Contender barrels. There are a few that I need !

[@scottydouglass1892]

I like the four F in my micro cannon. .177 caliber. I am sooooooo glad you are bringing T/C back to life.

[@dalephillips2448]

Awesome video! With that being said, many of us want to know if T/C will bring back some of their flintlock rifles? Especially the Hawken and Renegade!

[@joshyoder4076]

He said they're planning on bringing back the hawken. On the hornady podcast. Not gonna be right away though.

[@robertmcgraw1438]

Still running my 50 cal TC New Englander !!

[@StumpkillerCP]

The side lock is for people who want to experience the challenge of historical firearms. The in-lines are for people who want to extend their hunting season or have a centerfire restriction of allowable firearms for hunting. It’s like those who hunt with sightless recurves vs. sighted compounds. Tradition vs. innovation.

[@williamgillette4086]

They made inlines for people who didnt know how to use a traditional muzzleloader. There are things you have to do to make them work consistently.

[@StumpkillerCP]

@@williamgillette4086 All of my grouse hunting for the last 10 or so years has been with a Mike Brooks 16 gauge flintlock. The ignition is almost instantaneous. Cover the lock with a waxed cow’s knee and it remains weather resistant.

[@illinidave]

And then there are guys like me who use both and love hunting with both

[@erichollobaugh2553]

Great shooting Greg ! I’m really glad TC is back!!!

[@deskgamesix]

Greg, I need a new TC Hawken flinter in 54 caliber. Thank you.

[@jamespugh]

Can agree 👍 something I missing. I got a cap lock and a cap lock pistol and inline

[@dchaney40]

Please bring back the sidelocks!!!! Please!!!!!!

[@brandonking5452]

Love it!!! I hope you bring back the Seneca, white mountain carbine, the scout rifles and one of the best looking muzzleloaders ive ever seen - the cougar! Would love to see new flintlocks and smaller calibers as well as 58.

[@TomXPorter]

The Seneca is a sweet sweet rifle. Mine is cap lock, sure wish I could get a tang sight for it with my old eyes.

[@jamesb3199]

Be really cool if the kit guns were brought back, I would 100% buy a flint lock and maybe a cap lock kit gun!

[@michaelmerrick5472]

Ah! The smell of black powder in the morning! Love muzzleloaders!

[@danmay6493]

I have the TC 58 cal in cap and ball and it is by far my fav rifle I have ever had. Starting to get back into shooting after years with life getting in the way. I prefer the conical bullets but have been finding it hard to get supplies. My hope is that as you get TC back up and running you can help us with that.

[@johndilday1846]

I second that request. I love my Big Boar .58 percussion rifle. I would be so happy to have the Thompson Center conicals made for it again.

[@64samsky]

That was a great video! A 58 caliber will put a major hurting on something!

[@retirednavy8720]

I have a percussion Renegade in 54. A Hawken flintlock in 50. A New Englander in 12 Ga. A first generation Contender with a 357 Mag barrel, a 7mm TCU barrel and a 45/410 barrel and a Compass in 308. All have done me well in the field. I am glad T/C is back and I really want to see the Compass back on the shelves.

[@Schrodingers_kid]

Something I'd like to correct about round being self-contained increasing accuracy: The real reason why we are more accurate now is the amount of precision that goes into making ammo. We get more consistent powders, weights, consistent weights of bullets and shape of the bullet is calculated with account for aerodynamics of it. Muzzleloaders were loaded with powder that was measured pretty roughly, had random bullet weight and shape, not to mention the differences in alloys of lead that was used (people didn't even know about it for a while)

[@charleshager8896]

I have been a muzzleloader for about 38 years now. I started out with a .54 Renagad. I am so happy to see TC back in business! I’m in need of a .50 patten breach cleaning jag and I’m on my last tube of TC bore butter. Please let me know if you start making these items again. Welcome back!

[@_JimS]

Well let me speak for everyone here and say we're glad you're at the helm now.

[@michaelrocole7174]

I loved my Big Bore 58 caliber carbine from TC. Please make this again.

[@ronaldsloan5235]

Had a T/C Scout a long time ago in 54 caliber. It was an awesome rifle

[@do8646]

I love both of my TC Hawkens.

[@bobschwaller5293]

I have 2 T/C Hawkens from early 70s. Excellent rifles

[@mrdinme.4768]

Ok, so this means we are going to see T/C sidelocks again? I have been under the thinking T/C Hawkens were a 1:48 twist, to accommodate most projectiles from round to conical? Thought had to go to Green Mtn. for a 1:66 twist, in longer bbl. length? Have always liked the T/C Maxi! Still have the 50 caplock I built when I was 14, back in 70’s w/my dad(RIP), also have .54 flintlock. Still shoot them both! Have an OMEGA in .50 as well. Of course a .50 BP for my Encore. Kinda would like to see Seneca come back. PS: you think if you bring them back, could do a full stock version?

[@TommyWheeler-n2x]

Thank you for showing a real video with the miss fire. You can appreciate and trust a guy that can show the good with the bad. Suggestion please bring back the New Englander 12 Gauge

[@clintlagerberg]

This is the vid I was hoping for!! So good Gregg!! Story time... My dad had a 50 cal TC Hawken from a kit build when I was 10. He loaded it one day hunting and didn't fire it. Not thinking, he just put it back in the gun cabinet still loaded. It sat for a few years before he discovered it was loaded. Not sure what would happen he took it outside and secured it to a metal barrel and tied a 100 ft string to the trigger. We hid behind the corner of the house, I covered my ears and he pulled the string... KABOOOOM!! Fired perfectly into the woods and into a tree. The metal barrel and Hawken fell over backwards from the force and dinged up the beautiful wood stock unfortunately. My dad eventually gave the Hawken to his friend. One of these days I'm gonna find a Hawken and take it out during muzzleloader season in honor of my pops!

[@mikep1085]

Absolutely love that the new owner of TC is a blue collar gun guy!!

[@brucelewis1017]

He actually is the one who owned it when s&w bought it and he bought it back when s&w closed it

[@markcostello7238]

Great video, Greg. You explained things really well. I know what it takes to shoot and hunt with a flintlock. Even though it can be frustrating at times, it's fun too. i know why when you set the ball you dropped the rod down the barrel a few times at the end but maybe some of your viewers don't know the reason for doing that.

[@haroldmartin4547]

Been shooting TC Hawken in 50 caliber for 20 years, hope they make a 54 caliber Hawken

[@jordanbagwell32]

Anyway for the TC Firestorm to make a comeback…. Love to get my hands on the stainless with synthetic stock models

[@Vtmtnman42]

Now that you're back in this market,I propose bring back the Hawken but also offering a Pennsylvania rifle as well.Give Pedersoli some good market competition.A .36,.50 cal choice in the PA. Extra barrels(32,36,45,50,Rifed,smoothbore) for the Hawken that will work with older models.I know trad muzzle loading isn't what sells,but TC quality is needed in the market again.

[@marksalisbury7456]

With any firearm it’s about the shooter learning the firearm. That’s the key to accuracy

[@sssss8700]

Any chance we’ll get partially finished build kits for muzzleloaders? Been looking at getting into black powder and the kits look fun to build but most of the existing kits seem low quality. Don’t forget the pistols!

[@archieesimmons6514]

Thank you for bringing TC back. We want the bolt guns ,a single shot rifle-the contender. All with muzzle break. And 1 important thing. We want high quality iron sights on all these and drilled and tapped. Got to have iron sights. The classics rounds in both . 264 WM-220 swift-35 Wayland-30.06-300 WM-338 WM-348wm-358WM- 22 hornet- 6.5/55 Swede-375 HH-416 rigby-7mm RM-we want them back. 7/57-8/57-303 British-762/54R-762/39-458 Lott- plus a lot of other classic rounds. We want a single shot shotgun in 10gauge 32inch barrel. 16 gauge-28 gauge-20 gauge-410 chambered for the 3.5 shell. All the 410 would be covered. We can 24 gauge shells but no gun to shoot these shells. Full choke or modified. No choke tubes. Love to see a 500 SW-you can call it the cannon. A gun 3.5 all 410s -460 SW-45 casull-45 LC-45 scoffield. All stamped on barrel. The cannon. Pistol and single site. 100% market covered.

[@richadent968]

When will the T/C contender be back in gun stores? When will barrels be available?

[@brucemattes5015]

All three of my flintlock longrifles; one which was a semi-custom from the Golden Age Arms Company that I purchased in 1971 as a 17 year old high school kid; and the other two which were full blown custom rifles; all three of which were equipped with large Siler flintlock locks; were capable of sub-M.O.A. accuracy at 100 yards with 18th century style open iron sights. The Golden Age Arms Co. longrifle had a 40" long, Douglas GAA, .45 caliber × 1:48" twist × 13/16" across the flats octagon barrel. The other two rifles both had 42" long swamped octagon Getz barrels with 1:48" twists and factory coned muzzles. One was a .50 caliber barrel and the other was a .62 caliber barrel. I coned the muzzle on the .45 caliber barrel myself. The powder charges for each rifle were 55 grains of FFFg black powder for the .45 caliber longrifle; 70 grains of FFFg black powder for the .50 caliber longrifle; and 75 grains of FFFg black powder for the .62 caliber longrifle.

[@DaleGraves-c1b]

Pretty impressive!!!

[@RMM--uv7uk]

Do not stop making YT videos. You are amazing in front of the camera. And this is what's going to make TC succeed. LIKE, SHARE, SUBSCRIBE everyone. We need TC to Succeed.

[@TCArmsCo]

Thanks for the support

[@brandonking5452]

Well I for one will surely be supportive of them!!!

[@ditzydoo4378]

Just took my new old stock T/C .50 caliber Hawkin percussion (ser: 275XXX) out to sight in at 50-yards benched for target shooting. Took a lot of trial and error with 6 different thickness of patches, (settled on 0.013" pre-lubed CVA) around a Hornady .490 swaged round ball and three different powders and two grain sizes (settled on 45-grains of Hodgden Triple-7, 2F). Final target achieved 0.934" center to center 3-shot group through the bull-eye. as Hanible said "I love it when a plan comes together". ^~^

[@QuackerSniper]

Gregg, first of all, thank you for all you are doing with TC and good luck with your endeavor. I have a circa 1980's .58 cal. TC "Big Boar". I LOVE THAT GUN!!!!

[@alaskatruoutdoors9238]

My TC Hawken was my constant companion when I was a kid in the 80s, hunting and trapping the "wilds" of Michigan lol. It really was a major influence on my development as a man. I wore that gun out and parted with it before moving to Alaska years ago. I've wanted another ever since. So excited that I might be able buy them for my grandsons!

[@madczechoutdoors1088]

Last muzzle loader I had before my encore was a Scout carbine. Loved it

[@tlloyd9325]

Love my T/C’s! From Hawken, to Renegade, to Thunder Hawk,to Encore, all are great muzzle loaders that are fun to shoot and accurate. Depends on my mood what I hunt with.

[@jeremyp2295]

Glad to see T/C is coming back. Really hope that you can bring back the black powder line and really hope to see the smaller calibers as well.

[@allenjones4949]

Great video.

[@joshp2542]

I have a TC Hawken flintlock in .54 and it's a great firearm. My only issue is it's a late 70s and never had the upgraded hammer installed when it was available. It doesn't spark that reliably. If you find one laying around send it to me, when I called I was told none were left.

[@JBJHonez]

I’m so stoked you’re doing all this and bringing TC back. I gotta get one of those shirts though

[@brandontaylor3023]

Gregg this is fun to watch! I grew up watching you with team realtree. I’m excited for TC to be back up and running so I can FINALLY get one or five!!

[@nerdyhooligan-3740]

This is the second video with the WarLord is this a sign 😎

[@liamking9397]

Can hope Greg did say the icon was coming back on the Hornady podcast

[@chrisowen5497]

I’m interested to see what models you bring back, and what changes you make to each model. Great video!

[@Almost_Made_It]

That’s a very sleek looking bolt rifle. Love the lines.

[@jjs7261]

Used TC Hawken's, are always sought after in my area.

[@karsonbranham3900]

Very nice! Great to see the zeal with which TC is coming back into the game!

[@ronboe6325]

Used to shoot Iron sights silhouette with my TC in .22 and .22mag (had to switch, lost too many rams to ringing, not falling) out to 100 yards. High power guys reached out to 200 meters; so we considered anything out to 200 meters handgun range. Iron or any sight. You need to up your game...... :poke: :D

[@harrisla123456]

Love this video!! I have a Percussion Thompson Center Hawken 50 cal. I bought many years ago!! Sorry I don't remember When!! This inspires me to shoot primitive Black powder again!! When it cools off down here in LA. I will have to get it out and shoot it again!! I have all the accessories necessary from years ago!! I hope the new Thompson Center really excels and keeps all the traditions it has embodied in the past alive for the future!! Keep making these great inspiring videos to re-invigorate us who own Thompson Center Products and Inspire a new generation to purchase and use your black powder and smokeless powder rifles!!! Good Luck and Great Success!!

[@marksalisbury7456]

The difference is, that’s all they knew. It wouldn’t have been any more stressful than it is for us with modern firearms

[@travisboling735]

You pulled that 2nd shot a little you flinched a little with the Flintlock.

[@SKZ170]

Make a 16 inch 308 threaded barrel and iron sights cerakote finish will be a plus. It will be probably one of the best selling rifles

[@aaronsgunsmithing]

Muzzleloaders > bows. There is just something better about the Smell of Burnt Blackpowder on a Cool Fall or Winter morning.

[@theblindsniper9130]

Honestly, i love shooting both of these styles of rifles.. Also love your presentations. Solid sub from me, one gun channel to another.

[@gusloader123]

The video was well done, with good explanations and results shown. You did the "Show and Tell" method and it works. I did not know that they used two different types/sizes of black powder for the pan and the barrel. That might have been problematic on the Appalachian frontier with limited places to buy powder at ?!? I think (am very sure) that most Flintlock rifles had a longer barrel than the T/C in the video. Longer barrel gives more F.P.S. velocity and is almost always more accurate. {To the other half of the video: ugh. I hate scopes and hate plastic stocks, and the only detachable magazine rifle I own is a Marlin "Glenfield" bolt-action in .22 LR.. }

[@phantomofthepines262]

I need one of them!

[@Subintro]

Enough showing off sell us some guns

[@RandallFoster-lx8ng]

You answered my prayers! I was praying someone would save Thompson center arms! I have 16 muzzleloaders and most are TCs.

[@UdderlyEvelyn]

How well would the 308 do without the scope, though? Or if you had one on the flintlock? I imagine removing it from the 308 would tighten the gap between the two. At that ramge they're on par which is pretty cool!

[@59MackB61]

Any chance that we will be able to get magazines for ventures or even a kit to retrofit them to AI style mags? Great rifles, would be better if we could get spare magazines for them. Thanks!

[@stephencarmichael5156]

Got the same results with a TC Black Mt Mag shooting Hornady Grate Planes conical bullets. 1.5 MOA with TC open sights

[@brucemattes5015]

As an aside, I fully agree that re-introducing the Thompson-Center sidelock muzzleloading rifles would be a very smart business decision. *ESPECIALLY* if you took the time, energy, and money to redesign the flintlock locks so that they had a proper 18th century flintlock lock geometry. Even more especially if you would choose to CNC machine all of the internal parts, the pan, and the lock plate. The frizzen, the frizzen spring, the hammer, and possibly the top jaw are better left as high precision investment castings. And, as long as the frizzen is properly heat treated and annealed to the proper hardness. I would jump on a big bore Renegade style flintlock rifle with a short handy barrel measuring no more than 24" long, preferably 21" long. And factory equipped with a 1.375" thick Kick-EEZ Magnum recoil pad set at a 13.5" length of pull. I would start at .54 caliber because it's the smallest diameter bore size that many western states have decided is a requirement for hunting elk, moose, and bison. I would also offer it in .58 caliber, .62 caliber, and for big bears in .66 caliber. Contrary to popular online misconceptions, a 21" long barrel will be more than sufficiently long enough to burn all of the powder necessary to push even a 0.655" diameter pure lead ball fast enough to kill anything in North America out to 125 yards.

[@paulmurphy8705]

And left handed models agai!!!!

[@sop2510]

I have a TC 50 cal. Hawken (percussion) that I bought in 1972.

[@jordangouveia1863]

I agree, they had to be well regulated in the use of arms to use a ML in battle.

[@christopherblessing3868]

Awesome vidio and I am so glad you are back!

[@jeffreyrobinson3555]

Started before 1508, as that’s the earliest we have, that was the invention of the rifle and was in wheelock design

[@Pyle81]

I really hope you bring back some of the better selling "Traditional" muzzle loaders when you get the new manufacturering back up and running. Yea, the in-lines have seemingly taken over in the hunting department of "Primitive Weapons Seasons" Mostly for Whitetail Deer. But there's still a group of enthusiasts that still cling to our older Flintlock and Cap lock rifles. Im personally not a Flint Lock fan. But I've collected multiple of the older TC Cap locks. And have 2, 58cal "Big Bore" Tc Renegades in the safe. Both have been shot at one time. And one has seen more abuse than the other (She's been dropped a few times) and shows her time in the woods. But ill take that rifle on any hunt and it does the job every time. I did however switch her over to musket caps. They're fare better ignition than those pesky #9 caps that I tend to drop more than anything elese. Can't wait to see what you guys bring back in the future.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

Today you need to mortgage your house to buy modern ammunition. On the other hand, I can make my own black powder, I can make my own primers or knap my own flints, and lead is super easy to get a hold of. Out to 100 yards, modern innovation simply isn't necessary.

[@jamescooper2618]

I hope T/C gets back to building the side-lock rifles (and maybe a smooth bore please?) again like it was in the 70s and 80s! Please please please!

[@williamclark755]

I have a T/C black powder.45 cal. Percussion cap dual trigger bought in 1976! Well made and accurate 🦅🇺🇸

[@williammccaslin8527]

I'm a TC caplock fanboy, nothing against inlines, I just like the caplocks. I only hope you bring them back. Own a White mountain .50 cal, want some of the others that you use to make. Thx

[@mr.mr.3301]

As a product manager, where is the best place to send product suggestions?

[@kevinamerio8105]

It would be awesome if T/C came out with a new design sidehammer keep it old style but a little different from the hawken,renegade and new Englander.

[@BuckskinsBlackPowder]

Seeing how it's Goex, 90gr Volume should weigh 90gr on the scale. Real black SHOULD be grain for grain. It's the substitute black powders that are bulkier and weigh less. That's where you can really get screwed over. Pyrodex for example, 100gr volume, weighs 73 grains.

[@kennethharriger6152]

I have 2 TC New englanders .50cal very accurate.1 composite stock with scope and 1 wood stock open sights.

[@NHBackcountryGuide]

I still have my Icon in 30 T/C; always wanted a Warlock. I'd love it if T/C made the Warlock again and offered with threaded barrels in some other chamberings (e.g., 6.5 CM).

[@larryward1082]

Actually some of the contest I was in I always use my Thompson center percussion cap 50 caliber

[@StevenMMan]

I seen your interview on gun magazine podcast. In the interview there was a indication that input from loyal, and interested customers. I went to the website, and could not navigate past the cover/ homepage. I have several points I would like to communicate. And due to a visual impairment it's difficult to successfully convey a a coherent point. Looking for a phone number. On the internet prompted to smith and wesson number. So the easiest point I like to highlight on this platform is that I have been a longtime contender shooter of many TC products for many years. Starting at 12 years old my father gifted me Hawkins kit. Fell in love with black powder, never looked back. Long story short look at my icon for my little channel. Now to the one thought easy to share. I have for years sought a 10 or 12" true .410 barrel for my contender. So making me one couldn't be sent to my home soon enough. As an old gunsmith I have several thoughts I'd like to share on product line a cartridge choices, including an idea I have for muzzleloading. Mountain man

[@RandallFoster-lx8ng]

Keep doing these videos! US AMERICANS will share them!

[@hossnstein3591]

Please bring back the "Firestorm" and "Contender"

[@kevwebb2637]

Try doing some with Progressive depth rifling that is known in original rifled muskets like 1855 Springfield up to end of US civil war.

[@EHale-n9o]

I’ve been watching since the beginning and I was waiting for the Encore to show up that we can purchase. Please let me know.

[@FJB1981]

when will the upcoming lineup be announced

[@TCArmsCo]

Certain guns will start to be available this fall

[@doctormax54]

Modern firearms have no appeal to me. I have hunted with various kinds of flintlocks - shotguns/smoothbores and rifles for decades. Make sure to clean out your touchhole which can prevent your ignited priming from reaching the main charge. I teach hunter education and am a certified blackpowder instructor and one of the many items I focus on is to not shoot further than one has practiced. Shooting accurately is critical and I commend your shots, especially at 100 yards with iron sights. Nicely done! By the way, when shooting at distance with flintlocks 200 years ago and later with percussions, doing so off a rest or supported by a tree, was common. (Remember what Jeremiah Johnson aka Robert Redford did. (not a smart move)). It will be interesting to see whether Thompson Center will return to making flintlocks and percussions in the future.

[@dalephillips2448]

I hope so. I have one Hawken, but would like to have another. Mine has the quick-load muzzle. Like to have one rifled full length.

[@cornbread6158]

So when’s the next video with a scoped flint lock????????? I’d love the see how accurate a gilt lock could have been