My Name is fAegon - the Young Griff / Aegon Blackfyre story - A Song of Ice and Fire

Enter the Dragon! Oh, well, not that dragon, or maybe - gosh we’ve just got so many running around. Blackfyre enthusiast extraordinaire ‪@GreyWasteTim‬ will guide us though the ins and outs of all of fAegon’s possible identity “truths,” how they impact the story, and where George got all the various “who is fAegon” choose-you-own-adventure identities from.
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[@mormontsraven4072]

Egg was camping, FAegon was glamping, but Dany was doing backcountry survival (literally).

[@DavidLightbringer]

great analogy

[@DavidLightbringer]

comment of the week for sure

[@thelateescapist8266]

Jon Con's inner monologue implies that he plans to kill Varys no matter how things turn out. As he feels insulted by Varys' cover story about him dying a drunkard. Cause he's petty like that.

[@cityslacker6221]

to me, fAegon’s plot is shaping up to be grrm’s critique of Plato’s Philosopher King idea; and you both highlighted the heart of it. A Philosopher King becomes an autocrat the moment they are crowned, no matter what their upbringing and training entailed. The risk is inherent to the idea of a sole ruler.

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

Well said!

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

Yup!

[@cityslacker6221]

@@TSmith-yy3cc thanks! that’s so kind of you! 🙏

[@alvimgabriel4400]

Like that The Daenerys!

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

@@cityslacker6221 Philosopher kings have a decent track record though, Marcus Aurelius, Frederick the great, St. Louis IX

[@ryri51]

When I first read "cloth dragon" I immediately thought of the term "Paper tiger" which was a term used widely in GRRM's time to mean something that appeared powerful but was actually as frail as a piece of paper. I think that Faegon may be the real son of Rhaegar but the tragedy will be he is not a threat to Dany while she crushes him, missing an opportunity to reconcile with a member of her family.

[@Kriskazam]

Same here, but at the sametime i feel like people should be able to pick up on it pretty quickly without being familiar with that term. Shadow puppets, anyone?

[@stephenpalmer7278]

I don't believe he's Rhaegar son tbh

[@giovanni2585]

I can't he is just to sus Blackfyre all the way There is no way the Golden Company would give up a contract with the free cities to suporte a Targaryen in Westeros Since they already refused to do it for Viserys

[@drewflemingmusic]

Tim's explanation of Illyrio's plan - my mind is exploding. Nice work!

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

Super! ❤

[@raimunddgs]

I feel like if GRRM listened to you guys, he'd get motivated to sit down and finish it up. Shit, listening to you guys makes ME want to grab a typewriter and write the Winds of Winter myself

[@alvimgabriel4400]

Write you! 😅😅 If Very easy!!!

[@GermanLeftist]

GRRM writes several options for a storyline out and then settles for the one he likes best. If he actually writes multiple versions of TWoW until he likes one then that would explain why it takes him so long to finish it.

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

Careful, now. David don't take kindly to GRRM disparaging 😂

[@GreyWasteTim]

My name is FAegon I'm carrying Blackfyre And I'm pressing my claim Cuz Rhaegar is my sire Come march next to me In Golden Company Illyrio hired them and he's gonna throw a feast Haldon's teaching fine Lemore's stitching twine Rolly load the bags, don't forget my candied ginger The fat man keeps changing his plans They want me to wed Arrianne Sansa's another choice bride Got Elia Sand on the side The sell swords are going home! The sell swords are going home! The sell swords are going home! THE SELL SWORDS ARE GOING HOME!

[@tracymetherell8744]

Please remember to leave a like and a comment to support David and Tim. Please subscribe! This is, as always, some of the best ASOIAF content on Utube.

[@ThommyofThenn]

Can't agree more Tracy. Glad to see you in the chat. This was one heck of a stream

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Yes I absolutely agree some of the things I've been thinking about for awhile an David an Tim do an amazing job

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@cherylbaxter8986 I know that if I thought of it, David and Tim have probably answered it already. I have a few good ones I've been formulating but I'm biding my time!

[@cherylbaxter8986]

@@ThommyofThenn yes I know what you mean I'm going to start writing my questions down for next time like a Q & A stream

[@VerbenaComfrey]

absolutely!

[@MrFredstt]

Faegon is one of my favorite GoT characters honestly

[@VerbenaComfrey]

THANK YOU, Gray Waste Tim! I always wondered why the bells being loud was enough to make Dany, the Dragon rider, who has destroyed fleets and cities before, go crazy. But Jon Con has his WHOLE HISTORY with bells, and being the one not chosen over a more popular contender. And his completely missing the point about the Battle of the Bells (i.e. befriend the people and they wont hide your enemy, vs. scorched esrth is the way to go)

[@Astrocolligraphy]

Thank you David for making effort this time to interrupt Tim less. It was considerate of you, I usually don't dare comment about it but I sometimes get a little upset at how much Tim interruption there is in the streams, this one was much nicer thanks to your efforts to tame that. You are a great team and I really much enjoy listening to you both brainstorming ASOIAF !

[@garthgreenlung420]

Bittersteel married a daughter of Daemon Blackfyre. If the male line of Daemon is ended, then it would make sense for FAegon to be born of the female line while also being a descendent of Bittersteel. Seems quintessential George writing tbh

[@jay-1800]

He would be an descendant of Bittersteel. Bittersteel would be Faegon’s ancestor

[@sophiawilson8696]

Yes you are right but asks who is his father i gave you clue It not Rhaegar but it a Targaryen.

[@austingeorge2814]

George was asked about this theory and George said that Bittersteel didn’t have any children.

[@garthgreenlung420]

@@austingeorge2814 That is so disappointing 😭😭😭

[@McHobotheBobo]

Didn't catch it live but this has been one of my favorite of recent streams. Fell asleep watching it and went back to finish properly the next day! fAegon is absolutely the most critical "missing piece" that could have really saved the last few seasons of AGOT and one of my favorite pretenders/bastards to the Iron Throne

[@daggermouthtony]

So happy I got to sit through and participate on this awesome stream! Don't get to catch too many lives so this was a real treat. This channel and this community have changed the way I look at story-telling as a whole and I'm very grateful for that. I started watching you when I was homeless LML and life is finally starting to show me some love, so I hope that I'll soon be able to give back to this beautiful community. I've watched the Dunk & Egg VODs literally more than 20 times each and the chapter re-reads are my favorite videos to catch. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

Take care of yourself! Was cool seeing you in chat!

[@daggermouthtony]

@@TSmith-yy3cc Look who's talking! Same to you!

[@charlinethom1624]

Regarding Daenerys having to slay the lies of the Murmurs dragon, I think we are looking at it the wrong way. Dany slays these lies by her mere existence and the actions she takes; take Stannis, for example, as being a pretend Azor Ahai who sports a fake Lightbringer around as a sign of legitimacy in being this promised hero. Well, Dany already slayed that lie the moment she hatched those dragons, who were described as a flaming sword above the world, aka Lightbringer, outing Stannis as a narative fraud from the get-go. Same with the murmurs dragon; Dany will slay the lie by simply being what Young Griff isn't. The Murmurs dragon is shown as a cloth dragon being paraded around like a puppet who is cheered on as a hero. That is the lie. Young Griff is a puppet dragon and not the savior the cheering crowd was hoping for. Dany will slay the lie by simply being the savior Westeros needs in a time of great peril; that's what makes her the true dragon, not Young Griff.

[@sophiawilson8696]

A dragon is still 🐉 murmur ownwership

[@sophiawilson8696]

Faeon is the product of Targeyon and Blackfyre.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Exactly ! .

[@Nyazhr25]

Interesting take!

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Such a great stream guy's all the theory's so many ways it can go luv you an Grey Waist Tim streaming together in now rewatching bits i missed while out so thanks so much for all your hard work chezz Stormborn

[@MrHws5mp]

Somebody mentioned it in the chat, so I'll repeat it here for the record: is there a well of symbolism to be dived into regarding the procession of changed hands that we see: Jamie's gold hand, Victarion's firey hand and Jon Con's "stone" greyscale hand?

[@dawsonphipps1680]

Additionally, the various Hands of the King who are changed/cut off because of their role.

[@bonghitsandheavyriffs]

i wonder if they are all effecting right hands. i know jamie's right hand was cut off but i forgot which hands the others have lost & are now something else. right hand symbolism is something david has mentioned before.

[@xxfaerietalesxx]

no i think the thing is that David treats the streams like more of a..convo? And i feel like Tim is very much sticking to a podcast type script, like a Radio Westeros type thing (respectfully!) So part of me is like ‘Tim, pay attention to David, please, and then the other part is like ‘damn David, let Tim speak!’ 😆😆😆 I couldn’t put my finger on it before, but i think you’re both representing parts of my very neurodivergent brain 🖤

[@Prisupergirl]

I think it would be a very "the human heart in conflit with itself" situation if fAegon found out about his true lineage in a pivotal moment! Would he crumble? Would he play the part? What to do when you know your whole life is a lie?!? But If Faegon was real would be a very cool parallel of the 3 og Targaryen conquerors (the underdogs Targs for the win!) Great stream as always!!! Subscribed to Tim's channel! 💪🏽 PS: Daemon the cat it's suuuuuuuper cute 😻

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

He would definitely fall apart he's based his whole identity on being aegon and the rightful king finding out that his whole existence is based on a lie will break him .

[@alvimgabriel4400]

What The tree conquerer Targaryen?? Snow😅😅😅😅???? He's a BASTARD Death.

[@PedroLucas-mg5je]

​@@thatoneblackdude3333 I think It would work better for the narrative If fAegon knows about his (possible, but certain) Blackfyre identity and is knowingly helping his father and uncle with their plans, besides, If he internally says "screw it" and reveals his real lineage to Westeros (alongside concrete evidences that the Blackfyres are the real rulers of Westeros ever since Aegon, the Umworthy died), this could lead to a Robert's Rebellion 2.0 type of conflict with Cersei!

[@farahgiovanna]

Catching on the rewatch- super fun, love you guys❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@alyswesthill3562]

I’m excited that the first time my question was picked out to be answered was in the 420th (421st?) stream :D Awesome stream as always! Thanks David & Tim

[@barryhercules7588]

Hats off to GWT for taking on one of the most overhashed mysteries and finding a lot of new insights that fit a consistent pattern and the wider writings. Good to get more insight on F&B as well, a lot of people just wrote it of as filler and a list of events GRMM had churned out to appease the publishers. Its increasingly clear, that as with D&E that there's a lot more too these and a lot more depth than a surface read shows. Glad you too have found each other to bounce off, really interesting stuff.

[@Quirkus23]

Such a great point on GRRM using archetypes as his outline. This makes perfect sense.

[@colleens1107]

Honestly I really hope that Dany, fAegon, and Jon all end up working together on the Others threat. A blackfyre is a dragon seed and could potentially be a rider of Rhaegal or Viserion

[@عليياسر-ف4ن9ك]

Barthians:We are dragon seeds

[@dancingdragon3]

@@عليياسر-ف4ن9ك Edric Storm could ride a dragon then!

[@hypeman1021]

​@@عليياسر-ف4ن9كblackfyre were originally 100% Targaryen, it's not even comparable

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

It would honestly be pretty cool to have them be the three heads of the dragon and all get together to help fight the Night king, but George RR Martin is more in the style of killing the characters we like to show just how gritty and realistic his world is because Reasons.

[@giovanni2585]

​@@allthenewsordeath5772 agree 3 targs is just to fairy-tale No prophecy is 1 to 1

[@samanthasound7676]

great stream thank you so much Ian for making me a squisher!!!!

[@ThommyofThenn]

That was awesome

[@MrHws5mp]

Theory incoming. Apologies if this isn't new, but I haven't had time to watch all the stream yet. Illyrio's late wife Serra, who is presumably the mother of Faegon, was found by him in a pleasure house in Lys. Why does GRRM go out of his way to tell us that it was "in Lys"? Pentos would have been the most likely and anywhere would have done just as well if there was no significance to it. A Targ in a pleasure house in Lys rings a bell though: king Jaeharys's daughter Saera fled to Lys and ended up in a pleasure house, before going on to own one of her own in Volantis. It's in the nature of the business that prostitutes often leave a string of illegitimate children behind them: could it be that Serra was a descendent of Saera and therefore had some Targaryen royal blood, and that Illyrio tracked her down and chose her for that very reason? Assuming that Tyrion is right in calling bullshit on Illyrio doing anything based on emotion rather than calculation, it makes a whole lot more sense than him making a "shameful" marriage and giving up his palace access for love. Also, we're assuming that Illyrio brought Faegon up as "his", but that doesn't mean he was the boy's biological father: could Illyrio have arranged for some other Targ refugee to father the boy, therefore giving him a "pure" Targayen bloodline? EDIT: Okay, I've heard the bit where this is discussed in the stream now.

[@namonibblonian]

Great stream as always guys, thank you!

[@TheCbot88]

OH! I get it. The Cheesemonger and the Blood of the Dragon Blood & Cheese. The Dragons Dance

[@roddammit5510]

Sticking to the plot! I love it. Thanks Dave and Timmy.

[@johnracine4589]

Dear Garth, please bless and protect these wonderful boys as they bring us fresh long form content.

[@straightfrom]

I don't think Tim minds being interrupted. You guys are doing the show TOGETHER and y'all are having fun doing it too.

[@mattfox2716]

I absolutely love the candidness at the 15: minute mark. Never change David, you’re the best.

[@jayse324]

Dave and Tim this is some of y'all's best content. I love Aegon!

[@aerynmusick4548]

I’m queueing this one up to listen to first thing in the morning. But leaving a comment now so I don’t forget. I can’t stop with this channel, I’ve been listening morning to night for more than a month.

[@GeroldGarthcia]

Great stream and chat convo as usual

[@saminator3563]

Proud of you Tim!

[@Quirkus23]

Just starting this but I always wonder if the Blackfyre/Targaryen Civil War stuff is ultimately supposed to reflect on the Bloodstone/Amethyst conflict from the GEOTD. This could imply that Bloodstone Emperor was a bastard. The Targaryens view themselves as God's, and the GEOTD rulers were basically Gods. If Bloodstone was only half a God this could create the inferiority complex that leads to his usurpation. This would echo a lot of the themes of the story and add to the archetypal pattern imo. Really excited for this stream. Ya l know this line of thought could be extended to the Dance with the Greens (greenseers/children?) being the Amethyst faction and the Blacks the Bloodstones. This makes the Hightower's potential to the GEOTD even more interesting and apparent if true.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

Plus it justifies the hate for bastards

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

I've only ever encountered Dunk and Egg via this channel and I love how to me they're these mythic characters only ever alluded to in passing, each time doing something epic or history affecting.

[@Funnytumesusually]

Everytime I have a question on GOT- I just scroll your catalog and somehow you have 3 hours with every answer I could ever ask for😂 you definitely deserve more love from youtube!

[@MrHws5mp]

The smoking tower that Jon Connington "takes wing" from could be the old Tower Of The Hand that Circe destroys after Tywin's death. It's symbolism for Jon Con becoming Hand of The King and then choosing to be "firm" to the point of brutality, modelling himself after Tywin as discussed.

[@Roaringmoonbeam]

Thank you for getting me through work today

[@ThommyofThenn]

Some streams fire me up to do labours around my house. Some streams rock me to sleep at night like a babe in arms. And all thanks to our amazing hosts and creative minds! These are hard times so having these have become incredibly important to me. Glad they help you too

[@therunningman_]

what an amazing stream. hope these continue forever!

[@daxmommy]

This has been amazing guys. Yall never cease to amaze me with the connections and parallels. I enjoy this channel so much ❤

[@andrzejkopalnia]

I fall in love with this sheeeit all the time

[@jaktheman101]

sick discussion bros 🤘🏽 cant stop singing “my name is fAegooon”

[@three-eyed_magpie]

What an awesome stream! Could Quaithe tell Dany anything about Faegon?

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Good question

[@lyarrastark6254]

Awesome stream. Thank you, David and Tim.

[@lizardbreathh]

My name is faegon! Thanks for the stream guys! ✌️

[@molleh3180]

I think once we have all the books, we will realize how important Feast was

[@permiebird937]

Awesome stream!

[@daken5566]

Ah perfect - a 4 hour stream about GOT to satiate my unending desire for Winds of Winter

[@debater452]

Just wanted to point out a comparison with the first Blackfyre rebelion and the Bloodstone emperors userpation

[@FanOfTheMyths]

One possibility, that I don't know if I do or don't support, is that Faegon IS a Targaryen. A decendant of Maegor, son of Aerion, who was passed over by the Great Counsel in favor of Aegon V (Egg from Dunk and Egg). It seems a huge bloodline to just disappear and not get mentioned ever again. Maybe he or his children have children with Balckfyre women (hence them being extinct through the male line).

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

He likely died at summer hall

[@shaycase1834]

Haven’t been able to watch much lately but I finally have some more time. Thank you guys!

[@xyz-q7r5i]

Thanks for the great show, the humour, the cleverness, just everything.

[@yetipotato8567]

I think the points against Faegon king program is the Golden company they may have Westerosi names but are full time Essosi and fulltime mercenaries with Jon Con choosing to be more brutal. How much can these guys be controlled? What will they do if and when Faegon dies? Will they peace out back to Essos or will they try to claim their ancestral lands or atleast try to carve a kingdom of their own?

[@mihrimahsultana1263]

Loved this video I felt that I now understood more of the young griff story line better and how that will impact the story.

[@doshiamarie]

Replay! Really enjoyed watching this stream! It's a shame that GOT didn't inclue Faegon, but then again with D&D it's probably for the best. Thanks guys!

[@dragonmiko]

The why of selling Dany to drogo is that the false flag campaign was more important than a girl. As men they completely discounted the woman. The key was making sure she didn’t marry viserys. Cause no matter how mad he was or good Griff looked. If she had targ looking kids with her brother that line would look like the true one. I don’t think they even cared if she died. The game would play out with griff and viserys. I’m sure they were a bit worried when Jorah reported his death but I’m sure he told them drogo was coming anyway. And they thought ok we can spin this. Same with everything after that.

[@thelateescapist8266]

"The fat man's plans are always changing." Someone should put that on a T-shirt. 😂

[@coltonthomson7257]

Would you be open to putting these on Spotify? I love these topics, but I don’t have time to catch them all unless it’s with my screen off listening at work

[@uosdwis-r-dewoh14]

Same. David has a channel that actually has a lot of stuff going all the way back to 2015 but he's not added anything since September and it seems not to have these three hour KZbin live series

[@bradwolf07]

When I think of Searra Targaryen, I think of the Alicent Hightower theory; that theory being Searra made a deal with the Hightowers for gold and passage to Essos on exchange for giving Otto a child (for the Hoghtowers schemes we see in HotD). But it makes sense that Blackfyres would search for Valyarian looking people to bred with and Searra's Essos brood. My personal belief is that Faegon being him being a Blackfyre and son of Illyrio. So this stream has given me plenty to ponder.

[@Welleher]

An interesting thing I just noticed when y'all were talking about the "No Body" problem: Arya is "Nobody" but she is also an example of "No Body Found". So Ramsey/Littlefinger can use the fact that there is "no body" to claim that Jane is Arya. Very interesting wordplay from George.

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh very interesting

[@spazemunky]

Awesome as usual. I don’t get how greyscale is spread. It seems random. Almost like it’s more a curse.

[@thelateescapist8266]

"Discount Dunk." Tim spitting fire! 😂

[@magnusnilsson1962]

Another good stream. Thank you!

[@thelateescapist8266]

I don't think Aegon VI's true lineage will ever be exposed via concrete evidence. I think Daeny will distrust him because of warnings from Quaithe, and maybe Tyrion. Although I suspect Tyrion may see the value of joining forces with Aegon, regardless of his parentage. Whereas Quaithe is likely more focused on establishing Daeny as the prince who was promised.

[@Quirkus23]

There is also the idea of wildfire as the shadow fire associated with stone Jon Con. The wildfire is like the corrupted fire of the burning Weirwood Net. So it could be seen as the shadow fire perhaps?

[@puttanesca621]

The training and preparation for Young Griff to become King are in themselves another mask. Tyrion makes cracks in this mask by prodding the young boy that lives buried underneath.

[@leslieshE]

I think it makes more sense for FAegon's death to be tragic, not to make Dany the villain of the story, but to further prove how war can never end well. I think people around FAegon will push him and Dany to be enemies, that he will be stuck in the middle of it all and maybe when he tries to do something to have some kind of agency back he ends up dead. Something like that. I actually made myself sad just thinking about it haha.

[@seaztheday4418]

I think maybe Jon Connington will be responsible for hiding Wildfire around key places in King’s Landing with the intention of framing Daenerys for burning the Capital down, turning most of Westeros against the ‘Mad’ Queen

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Dany isn't burning kingslanding its cerci its literally written all over her dang probably won't even be in westaros during most if not all of winds .

[@thequeenb5803]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 True. I actually think that Faegon will be blamed even tho its probably gonna be mostly Cercie and Connington fault. Thus the Targaryen madness propaganda will get worse when the mad kings supposed grandson is the reason Kingslanding burned. Then Dany, the mad king’s daughter, burning the inner city of Volantis with fucking dragons is gonna make people freak even more. So when Dany eventually leaves Essos and the dance of the dragon 2.0 creates more death and destruction to the Targaryen name, which is now only connected to Dany, its gonna be a big PR crisis. Dany will be called the mad queen simply by association to the other Targaryens in association with a lack of situational context about her actions in Essos.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@thequeenb5803 Dany is not going to be the mad queen in any context Dany isn't a stranger in westsros she is well known and is talked about positively , people know she's fighting against slavery and support her cause and she will only get more as her revolution continues, Dany killing slave masters isn't going to make westsros freak out especially not when cerci is going to do just that but worse to them , there is no Targaryen my madness propaganda nobody in universe thinks Targaryens as a whole are "mad" , there can't be a second dance if it happens after King landing burns , your jumping to conclusions with no basis mad queen Dany was d&D's idea they made it up on the fly it will not happen in the books in any compacity .

[@thequeenb5803]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 Don’t get me wrong i 10000% believe Dany is Azor Ahia and is the revolutionary hero. BUT she is a threat to those who hold power. And unlike Faegon who is a man, Dany is a woman who protects the people instead of nobles, causing them and NOT the small folk to freak out. The nobles hearing of her burning Volantis will make that worse if my theory is true. The easiest way to sully her name would be for them to call her the mad queen is all i mean. Again those I am referring to are only the power brokers of Westeros, at least those who will be against Dany. Ps. I think it king Jaehaerys who sed “Every time a new Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land”. Others like Ser Barristan, Quentin, Arianne etc have also shown us readers of that propaganda. Also I do think and there is some foreshadowing for a second dance to happen. And if you think about it, that situation could teach Dany soo many things like that dragons are not slaves, that the iron throne is not what’s important and maybe even that family can be had with those of different blood etc etc. Plus it would be cool as fuck to read in this fantasy book where the last dragons and the last Targaryen dragon riders meet, and where Dany of course wins. That would also be a twist to the original dance that had no true winner in that both Rhaenyra and Aegon both died. So this time the rightful queen is NOT usurped. At the end of the day tho i DON’T think Dany is a villain or mad in any way. And I believe with my whole heart that she will defeat the others and be forever known as some sort of mother goddess.

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@thequeenb5803 westsros lords don't do slavery tho that is what Danys war is about she's not a threat to them because she's overthrowing a evil practice that westsros is against she's abolishing slavery not nobility and again lords already know about Dany and don't say anything bad about her except mace but nobody cares what he says they aren't going to be spreading any anti Dany propaganda when faegon and cerci exist who are actively making westsros worse . That quote is not mad Targaryens propaganda his route is taken out of context and is used to push that narrative but jaeharys 2 ment was the unpredictably of monarch how it's a flip of a coin if you'll get a good King or a bad one not about Targaryens and some inate madness trait it's a misinterpreted quote wrongly used by everyone because d&d used it wrongly to push anti Targaryen propaganda in the show. Dany already knows those things and a second dance by George himself that the second dance doesn't mean Dany will be involved people keep forgetting there are 3 Targaryens in this story not 2 Jon is rhagars son and is a Targaryen and has way more reasons to war with faegon then Dany does and his personality especially post resurrection is more in line with being in conflict with faegon then Dany. I do not mean to imply I think your some kind of anti I just think your theory is misguided, influenced by anti Dany and anti Targaryen narrative.

[@xxfaerietalesxx]

1:26:56 - i think that the show just sent Dany to Winterfell when she did for the show reasons - i mean, were they really gonna pan out a late in the story faegon situation? they could’ve, i guess, but anyway.. I just feel like book Dany will hear of faegon and head to westeros, but the the north situation happens, and she will go there first. i do feel like the show did some things (oh shit as i type this, Tim is saying the same thing 😂) did things that kept beats, like how Margaery becomes pious; i think some of that story goes to Cersei (judging by the end of ADOD), etc. like for real it does not impact me, personally, in any way when people still shit on the show, but honestly i feel like they, as artists, are so very free to adapt as they wish. All i know is that i have reread the books no fewer than 17 times since the show, I have made so many new friends, learned of new music, directors, costume artists, etc. because of this show. So, to me, that kind of cancels out some of the questionable choices that were made. I would not be here or paying for the patreon had it not been for the show.

[@briennesfatsister4788]

Really enjoyed this stream guys. What I'd like to know is how does Varys fit? Is he Serra's brother, or just a really good friend of Illirio?

[@thomasleonardis711]

So many clues that Varys is more then he seems. I think he may be Serra’s bastard brother who was sold by the Golden Company to the Wizard who cut him (kings blood).

[@briennesfatsister4788]

I'm all in on this@@thomasleonardis711

[@Cookie_chris]

I stand with Tim and Bob Saget Praise Garth

[@Coasterr200145]

Just around 3:18:00 - David LightBANGER - LOL - We need that Tshirt!

[@nagamata]

A comment of the utmost respect for our resident dynamo Grey Waste Tim.

[@R.D.R.NIGHTINGALE]

Isn't Arbor Gold the wine that's served with lies? Or am I misremembering?

[@DavidLightbringer]

that's jt

[@R.D.R.NIGHTINGALE]

And later in the stream there is some question about Valyerian's being immune to illness. Im sure Dany has dysentery by the end of dance from drinking fetid water. She's a mess by the end of that book.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@R.D.R.NIGHTINGALEyeah but that’s internal I think high resistance implies to outside attack

[@CarolinaKley]

There was a chest with children’s clothes because they were meant for Tyrion, who didn’t bring any in his trip. Also, Septa Maegelle, Jaehaerys’ daughter, died of greyscale, so we have seen a Targaryen get it.

[@denniskeith2006]

You two rock thank you ❤

[@BlackstreetBoys2Men]

“If Little Richard hadn’t died when Perkin Warbeck showed up”

[@sommer8337]

One of my myriad issues with “Operation Baby Swap” is: If Varys swapped Baby Aegon, Aegon’s mom would HAVE to be in on it. As a mother, you tend to know if the child you’re nursing isn’t your own. Ha ha. Anyway- If, out of the kindness of his heart, Varys swapped out Aegon, WHY NOT SWAP OUT HIS SISTER AND MOTHER AS WELL?!? Or, don’t swap anyone, just HIDE THEM? The whole story is just so silly. GRRM has borrowed much from our real world- such as most of the people ruling the country being absolute morons and the elites being absolutely disconnected from reality. Again- I am SO enjoying getting caught up on your catalogue. You keep me company on my morning walks. Thank you @DavidLighbringer and @GreyWasteTim for all you do. We appreciate you. 😘

[@giovanni2585]

Baby swap is just such a telanovela thing I can't see grrm doing this in a non clinical way

[@knightofvoid5684]

George was also busy with elden ring in recent years, as one of the main writers of that story and helping outline stuff.

[@dirtysheepdog]

Is there any evidence of a Blackfyre having dragon dreams? It would be so interesting to read about a fAegon dragon dream

[@daggermouthtony]

Yes actually! Jon the Fiddler aka Daemon Blackfyre II has multiple Dragon Dreams that are 100 percent legit, although, he falls into the similar trap most Dragon-Blooded people do where they unfortunately misinterpret the dreams and visions.

[@ikesweitzer9815]

In FAegon, We Trust

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Smoking hot stream. Thanks David, Tim and Damon the Cat. Have a good one.

[@isabell746]

"Danaerys will make true on her promise or she won't." Illyrio bit on his egg and split it in half... (just rough quote) I think, the splitting of the egg refers to Dany having hatched the dragon eggs and the sentence before: that it will be difficult to use them for only good things - as she wants to, coz dragons r like a super sharp sword without handle. There will be very likely collateral damage when using them Btw, superpowers content, as always, u 2 ❤️❤️❤️

[@isabell746]

Superb content... thanks 4 nothing auto correct 😉

[@jeffreybennett177]

Young Griffs plot is so interesting, I do think after he takes storms end king’s landing is next!!

[@DavidLightbringer]

agree

[@choppadoc89]

I literally can't listen to anyone that isn't you or people you have on the channel talk about GOT lol thank you for getting me through work every day.

[@alyswesthill3562]

@David I wondered if you might be interested in including a list of artists featured in each video either in video descriptions or via a link? Would be cool to be able to associate works with artist names easily without having to search the video for the moment where it's said. + This adds another layer of credit, giving the artists' names more attention :-)

[@DavidLightbringer]

for produced videos I always have the name of the work and artist in a caption while the art is displayed, for Livestreams I say it when I show the art

[@88TMV88]

Great joke from Tim next to the end of the stream, the man doesn't hold himself whit is so cool, not fake like a certain would-be king

[@HenryWJonesJr]

I think you overstated the 2 problems with the set up for Faegon. Don’t get me wrong, I agree he is fake, but the story Faegon was told about his own life is not actually all that hard to believe. 1. Varys doesn’t have know the manner of Faegon death, he doesn’t know have to think “oh they’re gonna smash his head” at all. Viserys and Dany were already on Dragonstone, you don’t have all the Targ children in one location. All Varys needs to know is “the city will soon be under siege and we are all in danger”- full stop. That is reason enough to want to do a baby swap as a broad, general precautionary measure. So suggesting he only did it knowing a head smash was coming is assuming way too much that isn’t necessary. 2. All those people you listed- Aegon was a few months old infant, why should any of them know what he looks like? Ned was off fighting the war and wasn’t someone who hung out in KL anyway. Tywin quit his job months before and went back to the Rock, Kevan probably with him. Robert, also no reason for us to think he was hanging out with an infant in KL for months leading up to the war. The notion that any of those guys would have some photo perfect memory of what that baby looked like has no basis in anything, they may never have met the baby even one time to begin with. So just on those two points, it’s not all that far fetched or problematic a story.

[@ayiza8511]

the moon of the three kings are really a interesting time during the dance. Truefyre, Palefire and the most interesting one the Sheppard. The Sheppard really did launch a thousands theory about the measter and Faith conspiracy.

[@mowrt620]

Cant wait for GriffCon

[@acephaedramusic9588]

This is not a comment, this is a humble offering to the almighty youtube gods, old and new

[@thomasleonardis711]

There is only one god. The Drowned God rules from his watery halls.

[@TYTfan]

Oh boy a beefy stream!

[@MrCaveman366]

2:21:21, Young Griffs eyes are clearly stated to be purple though, Whereas Sierras are Dark Blue and while Rhaegars are dark purple or Dark Indigo. His hair also seems to match more with the Targaryens then with hers. Wouldnt also Illyrio have more kids? Perhaps he is infertile? At this point i am pretty unsure what to think, but i will be excited to see where his story-line is going. My hope is that he ends up on the wall somehow having escaped with Duck with a shaved head, and that he ends up fighting next to Jon without the two not knowing that they might be brothers. Would be poetic to me.

[@that_vivian]

Thanks for the great content!!

[@lancefullmer9384]

I'm late to this stream catching it on the rewatch and I think it just occurred to me how close Varys is to a lot of the other Targaeryen names such as Viserys or Aerys which is something we don't often see in other westerosi names which in hindsight just feels very telling

[@brandonblackfyre5783]

Love the videos keeep up the great work

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

Targs being immune/more immune to viruses would make sense if they have a much higher body temperature to baseline humans

[@DavidLightbringer]

that's how I see it, it would be weird if higher body temp DIDNT make them more resistant to illness

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@DavidLightbringerthus the grey rats killed the dragons to kill the targs and blamed it on infertile problems

[@persephone342]

Higher body temperature in real life usually means autoimmune diseases. Most of us have higher Neanderthal DNA than those that don’t have that higher percentage Neanderthal DNA and Rh Negative blood or has a parent with Rh Negative Blood. This also goes with Henery VIII and his Kell Positive Blood. Katherine had O- blood. The first child is born okay, it’s the second child that is killed off by the immune system of Kell Negative women, on top of having Rh negative and ABO incompatibility and you get only one child. With Kell positive men, it’s worst for any male child born of the union. It explains why he went nuts later in life, besides his TBI. That’s at least the prevailing theory.