My Name Is JF-17

[@wolfroze9703]

_His name is jeff_

[@swizzz699]

“ma name i’ jef”

[@casualmannoobq]

@@swizzz699lmfao yes

[@AzureanSky]

7:25 Jeff casually tanks four AMRAAMs of damage

[@notpsychokong6005]

JF17 Thunder block 3

[@thunderbear0]

In Punjab airforce Jeff is literally the nickname of this plane 😂

[@user-sg9ql8nk1u]

this plane now allow us to legit do some actual ace combat bullshittery

[@michelchaman6495]

i thought that started w/ the f14

[@blessthismessss]

​@@michelchaman6495if he's talking about the crazy faux-thrust vectoring maneuvers at the beginning, the MiG-21bis could do it (and in a more controllable manner for a dogfight) since its been added

[@dutch24]

@@blessthismessss Been unable to do it since the drag coefficient nerfs

[@chiamus6673]

21st century aerodynamic design with pure engine

[@tiziorodriguez5854]

"Oh yeah, there is nothing wrong with the flight model, it's definitely ready for live" - some gaijin employee -

[@anxietygamingactual6554]

But remember, everything is always fixed before it comes to live, and nothing ever leaves Dev Server broken, so what's the point in raising concerns about it?

[@abone1833]

Because if you dont then it doesnt get looked at then fixed​@@anxietygamingactual6554

[@damianp5781]

This is in the game already ​@@anxietygamingactual6554

[@thetanker9152]

Mike even said that it looks like the F-18, never in God's Green Earth they are gonna make the F-18 a turn monster

[@sgthop]

Physics is overrated anyways.

[@ΆρηςΟικονόμου-χ1σ]

What is this flight model man 😭

[@Wally_Wombat689]

Yeah it’s weird af. In the test flight it’s stall characteristics are weird af and unrecoverable

[@Skibidy_rizzler_]

Fr for me it was just flying like in vtol

[@Wally_Wombat689]

@@Skibidy_rizzler_ yea but in vtol jets u have bleed air thrusters to control the jet

[@bpop2148]

"This is the devserver the FM will OBVIOUSLY not be like this when the update drops.."... yeah, Gaijin didn't listen

[@yaodai2459]

The airframe is similar to those of f20 and f18, so expect a fix or more op mobility in future.

[@CoconutGoSkrrt]

I mean Pakistan did do something like this with the JF17 at the Dubai air show where they managed to hover it, nose up, off the ground so I guess it’s not that inaccurate lol xD

[@vitaminprotein5687]

Stong army WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW (i am pakistani)

[@annoyinghacker8650]

​@@vitaminprotein5687Indeed strong army unlike urs coward

[@syedhamzaali6343]

can you share the video link because it sounds doubtful

[@snugglecity3500]

​@@vitaminprotein5687that name and pfp is funny as fuck

[@Bombert54]

bro is playing ace combat we are cooked

[@ahyesiamacarnerd1656]

shit feels like one of those gta stunt flying videos

[@DrlftySwlfty]

​@@ahyesiamacarnerd1656 fr, like flying backwards and stuff

[@bish189]

Chills went down my spine when he said "My name is Joint Fighter 17"

[@Vogelchen]

The gate width of the PL-5EII is the same as Magic 2 and R-73 in the files.

[@ibum4908]

I heard its supposed to be the TY-90 IRCCM

[@Vogelchen]

@ibum4908 I thought its going to be that too but the files say its gate width. Could be both maybe but I stopped looking when I saw the gate width value of 0.75 lol

[@ibum4908]

@@Vogelchen too big imo. Plus it should have the same acceleration as the pl-5b

[@Anthony1102www]

What is gate width？

[@batlax18]

@@Anthony1102wwwthe fov of the seeker before you launch the missile isn’t actually the fov of the missile after you launch it, the fov clamps down to .75°, making it much harder to see flares (especially at close range), and therefore making it much harder to flare

[@santiagomendez246]

physics: "nooo you have to obey my laws and do things in a reasonable non bullshit way!!" JF-17: *"Nah son, free pie."*

[@goblincleaver_mshm.9751]

0:40 islamabad drift

[@kicks880]

I swear I was just about to post this!

[@vydamic359]

Badmashi kar raha h 👮🚨

[@vitaminprotein5687]

Vigo on way ​@@vydamic359

[@omegakhan5123]

Getting JF-17 a Pakistani plane in game is W, I mean this Plane is unexpectedly good.

[@thomasvertommen9526]

"Mom, can we have an F16?" "We have an F16 at home"

[@TheSMR1969]

F-16 at home is better

[@notfinn1583]

@@TheSMR1969f16 at home looks cooler tbh

[@TheSMR1969]

@@notfinn1583 meh

[@AbubakarKhan-z4b]

Pakistan has both😂

[@SeekerHead]

"these flight models are work in progress! these BRs are place holders! everything is subject to change!!!" When does anything from the dev server actually change/finish before making it to the real update

[@DEFYN]

If the fm is clearly unfinished pretty often tbh 🦬

[@cutthroat795]

Literally all the time.

[@Sag05501]

Namer RCWS 30 missing a majority of things more than a patch later

[@SeekerHead]

@@DEFYN BRs rarely ever move even in aggregious cases like 9.3 Su25 R60M. MiG29 unfinished, F-16 i think was unfinished, MiG23M unfinished, Gripen unfinished, F-15A underwent some changes i think but not as bad as the others. Then there's the issue of how many missiles have been pushed to the game without being finished (most recently literally almost all of the new ARHs), then there's also the issue of even if the FM's arent technically "unfinished", undergo a massive overhaul when some random player provides info to correct a company that makes $44,000,000/fiscal quarter yet can't seem to ever produce an accurate or "finished" FM until weeks-months after pushing it onto the live build.

[@antonyerick5596]

They didn't hesitate to nerf the AAM-4s after it started pulling 180s in the dev server

[@TheCodMineMan]

The first plane to be diagnosed with ADHD

[@rocket_ride]

Lol

[@Pro-German-main]

Lmao

[@WT-Madness]

Little information: the tail 11-134 number says the airframe was made in 2011, it's a Block 1 (which was a test & evaluation variant) and 34th airframe... Later Block like Block 3 gen 4++ has J10C and J20 armaments and avionics (HMD, AESA, PL15 PL10 Better Engine and better situational awareness).... Thanks for reading 😊

[@KierowcaBombowca88]

And his name is JF-17 DUDUDU

[@thatoneguy1741]

💀

[@cipribastanu3859]

MAX VERSTAPPEN

[@si.ari.06]

​@@cipribastanu3859no, it's a reference to WWE John Cena

[@si.ari.06]

*Zhong Xina

[@KierowcaBombowca88]

@@si.ari.06 this guy got it lol 😅

[@ignominia9703]

My favourite DCS plane, glad to see it in WT, might even go back to it just to get this thing.

[@muhammadaddinidham3946]

"turn into Tokyo Drift, or i guess Hong Kong drift in this case" 🗿0:43

[@VandalIO]

Shanghai drift ;)

[@hasynainy9371]

Nah, Islamabad drift💀

[@AhmadAli-yo5yn]

The symbol on it's tail represents the PAF COBARA 🐍 SQUADRON which shot 2 indian migs in 2019 ig

[@liamboyle9199]

Instructions unclear.... Air Brakes have been jettisoned...🙃

[@mythicfour]

Right after the update dropped, first match I got a guy in a JF-17 that basically drifted and gun killed me. That thing is terrifying, and I'm a Mirage pilot.

[@altaccount4697]

These things hang with my Gripen easily. It's fucking insane.

[@YF23BlackWidowll]

KENTUCKY MENTIONED

[@digitaldash222]

Looks like an F-16. Acts like an F-16 without the fly-by-wire limits. Everything checks out

[@petersmythe6462]

Jeff is our tamed racing driver. He's not the stig. He's the Stig's Chinese cousin.

[@kerotomas1]

JF-17 drifting, floating, sliding in the air meanwhile Gaijin: "This is a realistic game" Feels like flight models are getting worse and worse with lazy ass development. I've got the same issue with the F-15 for example. The plane doesn't feel like it's flying in the air it's so unnatural and tailored the plane doesn't really interact with anything.

[@Solathoan]

Having seen an F-15 at a live air show - yeah nah, lifting body and HUGE elevators is a path to powers some may consider to be unnatural.

[@kerotomas1]

@@Solathoan You missed my point. It’s not about insane manouvers it’s about straight up wrong movements which is due to bad development and bad physics in game. Like if we stay at the F-15 just flying straight and only touch the rudders left to right. You can see that the plane keeps a perfectly straight vertical line while horizontally the plane slides and drifts from the centerpoint of the plane like cardboard. The plane doesn’t have real weight in game and interaction with air as air and weight is not simulated by the game engine (this is how you have floating or jumping tanks in ground when they bug into random objects or when a 500kg bomb blows up next to the tank and then the tank rolls over 10 times like a beyblade put on its side) We have simply reached a point where the current state of development and game engine is simply not enough to properly simulate modern planes’ movement. (or tank interaction with the gameworld)

[@aleski6506]

​@@kerotomas1i dont know what youre on but the f15 seems completely fine to me. it has insane twr and thrust in general so it makes sense that it feels different to other planes

[@pastek6598]

Oh yes the bing-chilling f-16

[@chocolat-kun8689]

F16 trying to be an F18

[@Moeflyer6213]

Actually, it is if MiG-21 has baby with F-5

[@lewiszhou4056]

@@chocolat-kun8689 Thats the Fighter - Ching Kuo from Taiwan also known as the F-CK (More comedically named jets coming to the Chinese tech tree)

[@Layd36]

​@@chocolat-kun8689 more like the f-16 mixed with mig 29 which the f-18 stole from

[@Raphix]

​@@Layd36 F-18 stole from MiG-29? lmao F-18 is heavily based on the land based YF-17, which was flight tested 3 years before MiG-29 Not to mention that F-18 and MiG-29 are not even similar

[@TartB]

china and pakistan got drunk one day and just said "fuck it, we make a tigershark"

[@noFAYZ]

Pakistan wanted F16s but without US control so they made JF17s lol

[@babarislam1717]

It actually started as a Sino-US joint project to help Pakistan replace its aging fleet with a cost-effective solution that initially meant a modified F-7(Mig-21) with avionics and radar package from the F-20 Tigershark.

[@muhammadtaha1028]

Tfx coming 😎

[@theMagpiestar]

Oh it's a plane from Pakistan, awesome to see our flag on your channel. ♥

[@aimfa]

This fucking thing just doing u turns in the air. While testing this plane I thought I might be in arcade mode and had to check it out because of its turn. When the plane tries to correct itself while stalled, if you give the opposite controls, the plane can drift 90 degrees for a long time before crashing and its interesting to see. IMO this things rudder is just wobbly asf, you cant do manouvers with the keyboard because one lil click makes it unstable, when its unstable you cant correct it because its wobbly asf. What a bing chilling plane with interesting flight model. My oiled boi Defynn show the drift, what a lovely content creator.

[@deadeyecpt.7765]

Pakistani thrust vectoring technology?🤨

[@rolex2tone]

Pakistan mentioned!!!! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰

[@foo-foocuddlypoops5694]

"It looks *a bit* arcadey"

[@brandonbao7097]

It should really be Islamabad Drift

[@AbubakarKhan-z4b]

😂

[@brooklyn4k759]

7:26 Real KZbin plot armor caught in 4K

[@DEFYN]

They hit the ground 🤷‍♂️

[@alphasubscription6741]

My goodness we could hire you into the PAF to fly the JEFF against a full Indian squadron after seeing this video. Awesome work

[@Ming-Chan]

F-14 feels like it almost has a similar issue with the drift but I think its just the instructor forcing massive rudder deflection while trying to follow mouse aim

[@covenantslayergaming6362]

This. The F-14's flight model is at least somewhat stable, although it is still very poorly modelled (why does it want to skid left and right when you lose one or both rudders, theres still a tail there gaijin). This thing just has no air interaction with its tail to speak of.

[@chabr1783]

my most loved jet in DCS :D

[@l_leo4]

su 27: finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary

[@Prisoner4245]

Can’t wait to wait 3 months to unlock it

[@ThePointlessBox_]

this is what happens when your plane is your body and you put your soul into it

[@Registered_Simp]

The FM appears largely to be a slower F-16C that bleeds more speed. About the same instant turn in G's, roughly the same max sustained rate speed (With F-16C still having a slight edge), and similar min-radius performance. Only two things of note is that the JF-17 is about a degree per second faster in min radius than F-16C and has 50m less turning radius (~325m and 19 deg/s vs ~375m and 18 deg/s). Hence, it will have a bit of an edge if and when the fight gets slow (At the cost of even more speed that is).

[@cheemgames]

*eurobeat intensifies* DEJA VU

[@BlueTurtleClips]

I remember I was flying the JF-17 on the dev thinking “LMAO no way it’s gonna make it to the live like that” but here we are.

[@mehrandost5752]

This is very nice jet very practical for airforces that seeks budget and performance. Like f-16 with less expenses.

[@jmssr5504]

3:32 how on earth does the radar maintain a lock from behind the plane?

[@CruLisP]

Irl there are some aircraft which can do that for example gripen C with the ps05/A MK4 can basically see behind the aircraft and a total radar tilt angle of 240degrees but this one is possibly not intentional😂

[@Registered_Simp]

The PL-5EII's appear to have the same seeker qualities both in IR source biases and in seeker FOV as R-73/Magic-2. So it's literally a Magic-2 with less agility. It does have more agility than a Standard PL-5 though due to fin angle (Standard 5B/C has 15.3 degrees fin AOA while the 5EII has 19.8. They'll maneuver like Python 3's).

[@Northern00]

Honestly I’d trade the maneuverability of the magic 2 for heavily increased range. I find myself losing so many kills because magics only go 2.2km rear aspect vs. 3.5ish on the python 3/9M/R73/PL5

[@Registered_Simp]

@@Northern00 Fun fact, the range of Magic and PL-5 is almost exactly the same after Magic's drag buffs. Same motor burn for almost the same top speed and almost exactly the same Ballistic Coefficient. The Magic-2 is literally a more agile PL-5 in its current state.

[@Northern00]

@@Registered_Simp wait since when did magic 2s get buffed? I’ve been playing recently and outside of 2.3km at Mach in a tail chase, you’ll never hit shit with them - PL5 seems way less draggy (from my experience at least)

[@Registered_Simp]

@@Northern00 This was the buff they got a while ago. The bit I was mainly getting at is that the two missiles have about the same Ballistic Coefficient. What that means is between drag coefficient, mass, and cross-sectional area, the missiles lose speed at about the same rate. That and their motors get them to about the same top speeds. In practice, it means Magic is just a PL-5 that pulls harder. I've gotten 6km+ snipes with them at high altitude from almost no airspeed and no lead

[@CruLisP]

Pl5EII have active roll axis can reach up to 40g overload, and sadly it got no multielement seeker which is almost undecoyable

[@WTclips001]

Su-27 waiting for this jet to get a normal flight model💀🙏

[@alphasubscription6741]

I love you guys. From Pakistan. Jeff is our first line of defence ♥️

[@jedijonathquan6776]

I’ve never clicked onto a video so fast before lol. But thats pretty much every Defyn video for me.

[@AverageDays]

i found this out right as the dev servers opened, and its absolutely fugging insane

[@lostcosmonaut1000]

Gaijin social creditmaxxing with that flight model

[@SheksgemWhepdo]

Isn't it more of a Pakistani model since the Chinese one is called Xioleng and they don't even use it.

[@randomstuff5562]

it has a radar which has been never heard of , "an air cooled AESA radar"

[@Zopiexx]

🇵🇰

[@level30boss27]

Suspicious amount of thrust for a plane with half the power of a mig 29

[@norske_ow3440]

Glad someone said it

[@the_bean_farmer]

Almost like the JF17 isn’t an absolute chonker of a plane like the Mig 29, it basically weighs half as much as the Mig 29

[@SheksgemWhepdo]

TWR comes in clutch

[@einfisch3891]

That flight model is looking 👌

[@kizvy]

the pl5e2 has 0.75 gatewith after launch, same as the magic 2 or r73. you can check at gzabi's data mine

[@gie_gielp4973]

What i miss in the JF-17 is the dual target track 😅

[@shikikanaz4624]

Thats got some insane thrust to weigth ratio damn. Even if it is bugged its pretty impressive

[@YPequeñito500]

1:31 Kid: Look mom, an afterburner pla *GETS THE AFTERBURNER'ED OUT OF THE HOUSE*

[@SteelxWolf]

Everyone asks where is jeff, but nobody asks, how is jeff?

[@saifkhalifa6161]

nice video but the last 10 or more videos the gameplay sound is low if you just raise it a little bit

[@Halinspark]

I was hoping we'd get the AIDC F-CK-1 as the Chinese tree's F-16 derivative, but this will do for a while. If they fix it's ice skating problem...

[@ductringuyen4056]

They added a squadron vehicle at a br of Germany top tier

[@fboyg91]

While being infinitely better than the top German TT vehicle

[@contemptordreadnought]

​@@fboyg91Its a sad time for german mains

[@fboyg91]

@@contemptordreadnought nothing new. German air has sucked scrote for years. Not really sure why I bother playing it anymore.

[@contemptordreadnought]

@@fboyg91 mig 29s were good before fox 3

[@fboyg91]

@@contemptordreadnought added an update behind everyone else, with a severely nerfed flight model, and only slightly before everyone got better stuff. Germany was competitive for like 3 months.

[@razorbrickful]

Instant like for the title

[@Lovi07]

I bet the flight model guy of past planes left the company, and now they make some poor intern fresh from college try his best to copy his work but the poor guy ends up with things like this.

[@Hadgerz]

That intro though. I wonder if you know How they live in Tokyo

[@Zopiexx]

Really drifting with the JF17 😂

[@athanscreed2545]

Dudes out here playing Ace Combat, literally psming

[@sternthomas4218]

Ah yes, the: chinese f18, f16, f5, mirage thing.

[@老桑-t2r]

chinese do have mirage2000,f16... and one-tailwing-fat f18

[@Lightning-lr4bz]

you'd rather pull up like 4 planes that look pretty different and say china copied them than say its original💀

[@EdgeR2]

YouknowhowlongI'vebeenwaitingforthis WhooI’mbouttamakeanameformyselfhere

[@smigoltime]

Ambatufakinnut?

[@agiliteka]

Bro got early access to the video

[@AlRizz187]

@@agiliteka yes youtube member i think

[@danielmolinar8669]

Youjusmakesurepeopleknowwhathappenedheretoday

[@norske_ow3440]

@@smigoltimewhat about kittens?

[@awoukii]

looks like a f-18 and f-16 had a baby

[@keeburnett1823]

And that is a squadron Vehicle? Oh God.

[@norske_ow3440]

Gaijin is gonna make millions with this one

[@Catsmurf1234]

New improvised Harrier

[@interpl6089]

*Let's Go!* Gajoob added post stall maneuvers to WarThunder

[@mehrandost5752]

so he proved its not the gun but the man behind.

[@mayonotes9849]

the new chinese VTOL jet looking great.

[@MeritocraticPaty]

Cringe

[@mayonotes9849]

@@MeritocraticPaty Liking your own comment gotta be one of the saddest parts of your existence.

[@j100j]

This patch the fox 3s just feel insane. I just got a kill where the missile missed but turned back in and hit.

[@mulmigesmorlord]

Thx for covering this first

[@ig.ruwail8056]

this flight model is nowhere near ready

[@DoctorBruKhar]

They forgor to model the vertical stabilizer in the flight model

[@Evrimomono]

To me, best thing about this update is that Russia finally got 20km ACM mode. 10 was PAIN.

[@adamackley4165]

i believe that is fixed now as i have treid it out and it no longer seems to be working, still turns like a ufo tho...

[@AiRenwick]

also defyn mind doing one more f84 video ?

[@BritishRedBaron]

Mom can we have a Eurofighter? We have a Eurofighter at home! Eurofighter at home:

[@SheksgemWhepdo]

J-10 is the Eurofigher, this thing is a F-16.

[@pasuhk997]

I am from Hong Kong and i am glad you name it Hong Kong Drift XD

[@petersmythe6462]

I mean, half second burst mass of GSh-23 is what, 5.1 kg? That's not *that* bad. Vulcan is about 5.5 not counting wind up, and with wind up it might be somewhere 4-5 in the first half second. I'm not sure if this is modeled in the game. We could use 1 second burst mass but if you actually fire a 1 second burst you're going to run out of ammo really fast. Where it is really not comparable is muzzle velocity. 715 m/s vs 1050 m/s.

[@CecilioSprayetti]

o7 to this things maneuverability you already know gaijin is going to dick it down. They love releasing things with cracked fight models only to overtly nerf them

[@thatoneguy1741]

China mains eating so good rn , Bing chiling moment indeed

[@kingghidorah8106]

they had to be compensated somehow for striking them for hacking, they still had to buy these premiums to bot bomb.

[@Not_Octopus]

It’s for having to play with USA all the time 😂😂

[@somerandomguy1475]

It's honestly because it got 2 new plane in the past 3 update which are both copy a paste​@@Not_Octopus

[@bobdole6768]

j-10 is mid, not better than other top tiers

[@somerandomguy1475]

​@@bobdole6768 what r u talking about it is better that all current 13.7 except f15C it has the best flight model with only gripen coming close 6 only slightly less range aim120

[@Duality.12]

Would you pick this or the German Hunter as your squad vehicle? I am currently halfway through the F5E FCU, because the f5 is super fun to fly imo. Let me know which I should go for next, this plane looks super fun lol

[@TheOreoOverlord]

New notching method discovered

[@sidtasker2937]

U gonna do a video on a tornado because of the FM change maybe like tornado f3/adv

[@methal0-111]

That's gonna be kill number tree 🗣️

[@8749236]

The rudder wasn't moving. Not sure if you are tapping rudder. If you did then that's the problem.

[@h4rmonyvrc527]

bro went full peppy wheels with it

[@unfazedmc5734]

put smoke on during flight model testing? could help see the direction of the plane

[@Check_Vibe0]

Anyone know if they fixed chaff yet? It was mentioned by Gaijan that chaff was basically not working most of the time but I haven’t seen anyone mention it

[@pandablackster]

The missile splash is so broken wtf

[@tylertheguy4749]

is there any knowledge of the EW system on the tail working? its supposed to interfere with radar.

[@poisonarc]

Maybe one day they'll nerf the targeting pods (I mean look at the SU-25s) and then gnss bombs will be useful for counter SAM. Maybe they'll add ARM missiles one day too :/

[@adrianalbaladejo6902]

this is like sky crawlers final scene

[@levi_exiled8579]

JF-17 and J-10A make no sense.... one of the most broken flight models. Meanwhile Mirages were nerfed to shit, so much that they aren't fun to play anymore. Gaijin needs to balance delta wings, it makes no sense that Mirage can't turn while other delta wings can do everything.

[@strikingeagle9855]

At this point I am sure chineese goverment paid gaijin to make chineese planes op

[@ColonelHess]

thing flys like a UFO