My OC Goddess Can't Be Real | Overly Sarcastic Productions

[@galaxa13]

The thing about wikipedia sources and school that gets me is that I was always told "don't use wikipedia, it's not a reputable source" which, ok, fair, but then in my last year I finally had a teacher say "you can use wikipedia as a starting point, just check THEIR sources and cite THEM instead of wikipedia" and it was mindblowing. Wikipedia is to be used a tool, not the end-all be-all for research and if my earlier teachers had taught me that I would have had an easier time on a lot of assignments.

[@gokbay3057]

Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia, that is to say, reference material, to begin with. Checking Wikipedia, looking at its sources and reading those sources directly is exactly the way Wikipedia is intended to be used.

[@leeshajoi]

Red made a "how to do research" video ages ago that says exactly this.

[@elementalryuu936]

This is how teacher make the student to develop the habit of checking the sources rather than using Wikipedia and keep forgetting to check

[@nielsjensen4185]

Wiki is an abstraction of all the sources used which is a really good place to start when doing research because most things have so much material that it's impossible to figure out where to start. When I took my higher education the first thing we were told when we were writing reports was how to use Wiki properly as a springboard to find sources while never ever using it as a source as it's only an abstraction of the total sum of current knowledge when the article was written.

[@giboi03]

In the 10th grade, we were even made to debate this in class, splitting candidates into the "pro-Wikipedia" side, and the "Wikipedia is not a reputable source" side. And of course (additionally because debates in my country are won by devolving into yelling louder and demoralizing the opposite argument, therefore more crowd entertainment) our side had no chance because we couldn't access the internet or scholarly reference in class in that instant.

[@fairycat23]

The person who originally came up with Mesperyian intended it as a school assignment, never expecting anyone to take it as legitimate ancient Greek lore.. Someone with a Tumblr account must have come across it and thought it was real, and then it spread across Tumblr. Some people engage with Mesperyian as part of a parody of academia (e.g. there was a Zoom meeting in the style of an academic conference during lockdown, and one of the presentations showed a fake "temple to Mesperyian" in which the benches/altars/something inside happened to be arranged in the form of the Loss meme). Others have incorporated her into their neo-pagan spirituality despite (or perhaps because of?) her very recent origins.

[@Kalebfenoir]

So you're basically saying... the Internet spawned a new God. And it's a Goddess of pain and torture. And everyone is kinda okay with that. Lol.

[@tux_duh]

​@@Kalebfenoir what a fitting goddess for the internet

[@drpigglesnuudelworte5209]

As a pagan, that kinda pisses me off ngl

[@AlliedMastercomputer1967]

@@Kalebfenoir So, basically…they made AM, but as a Flesh-and-Blood Goddess?

[@purplepedantry]

​@@AlliedMastercomputer1967 No, they made that, but with YA Protagonist Trauma and she takes requests when sufficiently flattered.

[@Rainears129]

So the beginning references a video Red made a few years ago. She did a myths video on the Rainbow Crow, only to be told by actual Lenape people that it was not a true myth from their tribes. She did some digging, found out they were right, and immediately apologized, put the fact it was a fake in the title, description, and pinned comment of the video and unlisted it. It wasn't taken down, you can still search and view it, but Red does feel ashamed that she didn't research it enough to find that it was a fake and perpetuated a lie, admittedly unknowingly at the time. This incident actually is part of why I like both Red and Blue so much, because they admit when they are wrong and don't hide it (all their videos that don't hold up to their standards can still be found on KZbin), but they do apologize and do their best to do better going forward.

[@gokbay3057]

She also references the Goatfish rant in the Zodiac video. (Because she couldn't find any actual mythological origin for Capricorn, just newer fabrications.

[@Rainears129]

@@gokbay3057 Yes, but that one is rather well known. Red's goatfish rant is very funny and the video is still readily available. I just wanted to let people know about this, especially so people understand why she really put a spotlight on the Rainbow Crow story. Also, I really commend Red for how she acted during the incident and think more people should act like that when they accidentally screw up.

[@roundabout4727]

OSP is usually good at admitting their mistakes, except for The Boys incident They doubled down and justified that they don't have to watch the source material because they don't want to and they inaccurately labeled him as a "what if Superman but evil" instead of "what if Superman but controlled by corpos" I have a feeling it won't happen again but I'm not happy with how they handled that one either

[@roundabout4727]

Correction: so Homelander isn't supposed to be a parody of Superman, he's a parody of evil corpos acting like they're good and such but they're actually trash To add salt to the wound, the only source OSP relied on was a summary that many The Boys fans found to be inaccurate and not understanding the plot

[@gokbay3057]

@@roundabout4727 Not all OSP are gonna be bangers. I disagree with Red's take on grimdark for example.

[@marticon666]

Fate Grand Order seems to be the epitome of "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."

[@lordfelidae4505]

Only break the rules you know. So you can mangle them as monsterously as possible.

[@stwbmc98]

That and Shin Megami Tensei

[@necrosylum.l3013]

Funny enough, A ton of modern manga and manga tropes only exist because an author had an inflamed colon and thought he was dying, so he chose to make manga to leave a lasting imprint on the world.

[@gamerzilla6113]

Actually more recent evidence has shown that Dionysus was in fact one of the earliest gods attested in mainland Greek culture.The earliest written records of Dionysus worship come from Mycenaean Greece, specifically in and around the Palace of Nestor in Pylos, dated to around 1300 BC.

[@LiMe251]

Wasn't one of the earliest videos he watched the Dionysus video, which goes over this?

[@theflotingheadproduc]

I am genuinely interested in the source of this information! Dionysus is one of my favourite deities!

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

Talking about prophecy tricking people into fulfilling them, while on the path to avoid them remind me of a story I read as a kid(can't remember the name so take this with a grain of salt): _ A prince was prophesied to die by a dog. While he was traveling on the street, he notice a sick puppy & secretly brought it back to the palace to take care of it(after some hesitation since knows the prophecy). After a while, he was discovered but pleaded with the king & queen to adopt the puppy, eventually they relented. On the prince 19 birthday, during the royal parade a mad dog suddenly appear & launched at the prince but was killed by his loyal hound. => By not letting his fear dominate his compassion the prince changed his fate

[@jonathanflanagan1504]

And here I thought that story would end with the Prince contracting the puppy's sickness.

[@DragoSonicMile]

If it helps (or just confuses you further), comics have something they divide into "Gold, Silver, and Bronze" ages that had nothing to do with human history situations of the same names.

[@UnrealMisterD]

I have a vague feeling this might just be a Greek ordering thing. Gold, Silver, and Bronze are also the medals given in the Olympics, and the one thing all of these have in common is the same metals in the same order. So Iron could have been their code for "Fourth"

[@gokbay3057]

Fairly sure the comic ages got named after the greco-roman ages. Though comics silver age was more light hearted than the golden because of the comics code stuff (though considered lower quality I think so that tracks with the myths). Bronze was darker than silver (and modern (which could be considered the equilavent of iron) was darker than bronze at least in the 90s) though I don't think it is considered lower quality which would break with the mythological terminology. @@UnrealMisterD Ancient Olympics did not award medals of gold, silver and bronze. But rather an olive wreath crown. Putting gold, silver and bronze in an order of decreasing value in that specific order is simply common sense as that is the actual value of said metals (gold being the most precious/expensive and bronze the least of the three, if we counted all four iron is the least valuable, not being a precious metal at all and being relatively plentiful (though being of much practical use)).

[@gamerzilla6113]

Zeus and Kronos are actually very similar. Zeus even did similar thing where he combined himself with his wife because their son would be powerful God who will overthrow him. Also no God dies in Greek Mythology because they are Immortal. In Homeric and other texts he is imprisoned with the other Titans in Tartarus. In Orphic poems, he is imprisoned for eternity in the cave of Nyx. In Hesiod's Theogony, and Homer's Iliad, Cronus and his Titan brothers are confined to Tartarus, apparently forever, but in other traditions Cronus and the other imprisoned Titans are eventually set free by the mercy of Zeus. Two papyrus versions of a passage of Hesiod's Works and Days mention Cronus being released by Zeus, and ruling over the heroes who go to the Isle of the Blessed; but other editions of Hesiod's text make no mention of this, and most editors agree that these lines of text are later interpolations in Hesiod's works.

[@oldeskul]

Another way to interpret golden, silver, bronze and iron ages is gold, white, brown and black/dark ages, signifying that they were ages where mankind gradually became more darkhearted, savage and war-loving, not eras of technical development as mankind invented new smelting techniques.

[@gokbay3057]

It is kind of obvious (and like, explicitly the point that it is a degradation and things getting worse). The metals get less precious and harder as it goes along.

[@blueteller]

17:24 "And sailing! Are there no depths to which we won't sink!" "...Really, Red REALLY??" ....WATER you mean, my good sir! That metaphor ain't washed up at all! In fact, I think it went SWIMMINGLY!

[@yatonokami836]

P A I N

[@blueteller]

@@yatonokami836 What a tide of emotions!

[@drizzmatec]

I am just glad the Pun didn't FLOAT past him.

[@blueteller]

@@drizzmatec Water under the bridge!

[@yatonokami836]

@@blueteller i am drowning in these Jokes.

[@Blahblah97555]

18:10 That particular elevator music is practically Red’s theme.

[@Rock_on_R0bita]

Airier: Has Red been playing elevator music all this time. Viewers: Always has been. A lot of the same music is played in their videos (probably because they want to limit any copyright bs from YT)

[@danthiel8623]

Armstrong: “My source is that I made it up”

[@IceRiver1020]

"This makes too much sense to be real" often a hilariously true sentiment lol

[@marialuizamaiaabreu]

The part about justifying writing choices with "it happened in real life" being bad reminded me of a quote of a brazilian (tele)novela writer in which he said that the novelas had to be more grounded than real life otherwise itd be called unrealistic

[@Airier]

That writer knows their stuff. 😁

[@gabrote42]

I would bet 1000 pesos that it was cited by Martín Barbero, or a similar quote

[@fyraltari1889]

14:01 That's because the Golden/Silver/Bronze age stuff is purely Roman from before they absorbed so much of Greek religion. Saturnus which they syncretized with Kronos ruled in the Golden Age and a was a god of harvest and good stuff, not a child-eating tyrant. Also Ovid always portrays the gods in general as cruel and tyrannical, both as a way to shit on the Emperor and because he was in a mystery cult.

[@BrittanyArtPoetry]

I used to listen to books on CDs too! They are the only audiobooks I could get from the library for a time.

[@The-Lazy-Dane]

6:50 I'm pretty sure you got your goddesses mixed up. It was Ishtar who became Aphrodites, not Isis.

[@stefschouwenaars9562]

Yes but isis was seen as the Egyptian interpretation of aphrodite by some roman scholars.

[@The-Lazy-Dane]

@@stefschouwenaars9562 True, but that wasn't what I was disputing.

[@gokbay3057]

It was Inanna became Ishtar became Astarte became Aphrodite, with Isis possibly being a separate branch of development from Astarte or Ishtar (forgot which). So Isis isn't in the development line of Aphrodite but is possibly a sister/cousin development that goes back to the same ultimate source.

[@freddieadams8435]

4:47 I bet that was Blue's exact reaction.

[@countdeville4146]

*THE* *PROPHECY*

[@xxanimneechanxx]

Audio books aren't that lost of a concept It's just most people tend to use membership sites nowadays instead of actually buying CD's and honestly some places don't even have physical copies when you try looking. 😅

[@geoshark12]

9:29 the reason “well it happened in real life” makes it less believable is because we have a real point of reference thus our brains do there thing and start questioning

[@woaddragon]

It like one of those. " The world building of Earth is trash." Concept.

[@nothri]

0:11 You stopped playing Fate Grand Order religiously. No pun intended....right? Right, Airier? RIGHT?

[@Zahri8Alang]

I thought the ancient greeks gad multiple Goddesses of justice? Apparently Nemesis is one... since divine retribution is vindication i guess

[@weldonwin]

That's not your beard trying to go up your nose, its the Butterfly, trying to make it to your brain to tell you to make the Anti-Pants Bomb!

[@insanemakaioshin]

22:17 - Those are 2 different myths. The one that became Dionysus was completely unrelated to that prophecy and was the son of Hades and Persephone, Zagreus.

[@jacthing1]

I've read the silmarillion and yeah there was so many different names lol. It was hard to follow though I did enjoy it

[@MySerpentine]

Different but very similar names, at that.

[@jacthing1]

@@MySerpentine Yeah. Which now reminds me.of videos I've seen of Chinese history. Stuff like two warlords who are brothers having basically the same name just one is the reverse of the other's.

[@PrincessOzaline]

Hessiod wrote of the different ages like I think him being an Iron age writer with a fragmentary understanding of the Bronze age (like every Iron Age writer) just lead to the extrapolation of other ages.

[@daiymohermitaurenjoyer9160]

I'm pretty sure Chronos was still alive but basically chopped to pieces and thrown into Tartarus

[@ralphsexton8531]

@Airier hurt himself in the confusion... XD sorry, I couldn't resist... Looking forward to the upcoming Tex Talks BattleTech, and your review of it

[@TheRhuen]

On the Golden to Silver and lesser ages. I heard this originally in a book that didn't even mention Astraea (which side bar I assume the walks among humans to mean she lived on Earth in human villages and walked the streets of mankind rather than living on a mountain top or some floating palace like most gods would), rather the book I read said Zeus felt humans should worship them and wouldn't do so while life was a great big garden so then we got things like Pandora's box to introduce suffering into the world.

[@geonunes10]

You should watch the zodiac video to witness red's rant about the time traveling goat fish firsthand

[@paleogreg7427]

I'm a biology professor. I emphasize to my students every term that while Wikipedia isn't a source in and of itself, the references in an article are often valid sources. Plus, when the articles are accurate, they're often easier to digest than the published studies. Ergo, Wikipedia is a good jumping-off point.

[@gokbay3057]

14:50 No. Bronze is a precious metal (even if one of the least precious and well behind gold and silver) and Iron is a non-precious metal. It has nothing to do with the historical bronze and iron ages based on technology other than these two ages being partially named after the mythological ages.

[@johnlynch1353]

If you are going to continue to watch overly sarcastic productions I feel you need to watch their apology video. It has some context that you really need to understand why red and blue act the way they do.

[@MySerpentine]

That they are Loki and a time traveler respectively, you mean?

[@PixelOverload]

That whole golden age to silver age etc concept seems to suggest that ever since we built our first settlements, we have longed to return to monkey

[@MsJaytee1975]

6:39 Synchronism? Is that the word for when the Romans try and combine gods?

[@gokbay3057]

Syncretism, combination of beliefs and traditions. Though Airier is very wrong here. Red specifically mentioned this being a feature of "fakelore" and explained just after he unpaused how the old Greek or Roman gods were in fact not usually like that.

[@EdgarCastillo-c6j]

If I remember correctly a few years ago they did a video about how to do research and they said to use wikipedia but only read a bit and ALWAYS use their sources to catapult you in the direction you need to be at. Something like that.

[@RedChaos1208]

I feel like the “Ages” are more references to what was introduced in the era. Silver - Farming/tools, Bronze - Coins, Iron - weaponry

[@manualcontrol5581]

"My OC Goddess Can't Be Real" Why does that sound like an Anime?

[@Melllie]

*I think all of us know exactly what I'm about to type:* the title of the wikipedia page about Eros & Phyche is CUPID and Phyche

[@dolphin64575]

Airier finally hears The Elevator Music in the BG while every time I watch OSP I have to actively listen AROUND Monkeys Spinning Plates or Kiss From a Rose... I love Mr. McCloud and what he does for KZbinrs, but I wish Monkeys Spinning Plates wasn't quite so popular. (Also I apologize to anyone who I have afflicted with this knowledge 🙇)

[@gyrrakavian]

21:56 Saturn/Chronos is the sky. Originally, Atlas was holding up the sky to keep it separate from the Earth (Tera).

[@gokbay3057]

25:39 I get not letting the music play but you are losing out by not reading the text Red and Blue have scroll by in these outros.

[@gamerzilla6113]

Did you ever read Discworld?

[@gamerzilla6113]

I don't think FGO understands Phantom of the Opera.

[@shatteredslime1593]

if you wanna know more about mesperyian, might i suggest strange aeons video on her

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah Strange might well be the best source for the coverage of wild stuff that happened in Tumblr.

[@CGomm-le7gv]

You saying only knew of her because of fate got me thinking,i had never heard the name callisto till 1994 the spiderman cartoon, than was xena were she became a goddess which at time i though was just for the show wasn't till watch the 97 made for tv movie Ulysses with armand assnte than i learn nope she was always meant to be a goddess, the 97 Odyssey is up on KZbin if you ever want to see it

[@marley7868]

fun thing in that you made that flub with astarte as while I'm sure you remember she's linked to aphrodite and is a war goddes she's also linked to the demon lord of hell (yes that hell) astaroth

[@Ilikecatsismychannelname]

So, I know a little bit about the declining 'Ages' of the ancient Greek world and why they were named the way they were. It basically comes down to how common certain metals. Gold is rare and thus is valuable, so they call the mythological time of idealized innocence and pastoral perfection the Golden Age. Silver is more common than gold but is still rare enough to be valuable, so the start of the decline is called the Silver Age. Bronze and iron were both common but only iron was viewed as a 'base' metal. So the decline continues through bronze and down to iron. There's supposedly a further debased state still to come: the Clay Age. Or we could have hit it by now.

[@silverdust4197]

What do you mean Koalamos , the god of stupidity (Mythology Guy ©®) isn't a real god ? (Very funny skits btw)

[@gamerzilla6113]

Will you consider reacting GOD's School : The Olympian Gods?

[@mohk2008]

May I request that you view N sanity AU, as well as the alternative ending to it. Or maybe the N raged trailers

[@lessonslearned2569]

Cervantes did just that with El Quixote.

[@Skybound-wd4pm]

I know it's suuuper unrelated but my hero academia abridged 4 is out publicly now. So uhh, yeah. can't wait to see your thoughts on that

[@lessonslearned2569]

Greyhawk shown, I celebrate!

[@hannibal-rb3go]

There's plenty of nations with the great old king will rise again to save the nation. Britain, bohemia (Czech), and Portugal just off the top of my head. Greece itself also leaned into that with the last emperor being a Constantine and they're king during ww1 also was a Constantine so it was kind of happening.

[@Jfk2Mr]

I mean, very similar legend is about Giewont in Tatra mountains, though in this case, it's not singular king, but entire army of knights.

[@WeepingWillowStone]

9:42 Fiction has to make sense, reality just has to happen

[@selahsilane9838]

“To pass one’s work off as someone else’s to give it more credibility” Yeah, that’s medieval western (that’s the only shit they teach me) Europe’s who everything Big names tend to accumulate stuff

[@Jacen32272]

9:50 fan of the Get Smart movie The Nude Bomb I see... Yes, this movie happened. You did not imagine it. There was a movie featuring bombs that only destroyed clothing. Starring Don Addams. As Maxwell Smart. It's actually funny. Check it out some time. Possibly even react to it. We will have fun laughing at it with you.

[@vickibamman8333]

You’ve mentioned English majors a few times. Did you know that Red was a math major?

[@matthewdougherty1159]

17:41 and some would say is cast adrift

[@vengefuljester2090]

22.10 i believe you might be thinking Athena, not Dionysus. Zeus ate Athena's mother in an effort to prevent a son being born that was prophesied to overthrow him. Then, from Zeus's head, Athena was born instead. On another note, Astrea returning to usher in a new golden kingdom of Saturn (Kronos) and the birth of a new golden child. Anyone else get Christianity vibes from that? Saturn, aka God and the new child being Jesus. Which is ironic, given your mention of Dionysus if you look at the syncretism between Jesus and Dionysus. Very interesting

[@jkosch]

The OSP video is not bad, but I think it neglects the parts how Astraea did become so popular that she replaced Dike (or fused with her in the minds of people) to become the more popular goddess of justice (and changing the association from Virgo alone to also Libra). That has Greek/Hellenistic and Roman steps to it and was process not fully finished until early moder age. [I have edited out the links and put placeholders there, because youtube has started to dislike comments with link and sometimes this I post are you gone.] A little over a year ago a friend asked me about Astrea/Astraea being tagged as Roman Servant in Fate/Grand Order so I wrote up a more comprehensive text to explain that (and did a litte additional research to do so). Maybe this will also be of interest here: The specific question about the profile is answered (in part) by the rest of that profile entry: "However, in later ages, she and her mother Themis (with whom she is sometimes conflated), and Justitia from Roman mythology were given a different name and attendant significance. Namely, Lady Justice, or the goddess of justice. She is often seen depicted in statue form as a lady wielding a sword and scales and frequently appears in front of courthouses and law offices." [link to her side in the FGO wiki for the quote] However to get into more detail: It seems Astrea/Astraea as her (the goddess represented by the constellation Virgo) name is (mostly) a Roman take on her that got reimported to Greek speaking people after Ovid used the name in the Metamorphosis. There are basically two branches of tradition here. One is that a goddess of Justice once lived among humans on earth int the Golden Age, but grew disgusted by humanities decline in the following ages. The other is that of goddess represented by the star constellation Virgo associated with light and stars that might also have had connotations of Justice. That one might have led to Astrape (the personification lightening and strongly associated with Zeus, who technically is also a god upholding civic and cosmic order/dealing out divine justice) being depicted with the attributes of a stellar deity. In the earliest version of the Ages of Men tale and the goddess abandoning the later worse iterations of men is from Hesiod and named the goddess Nemesis (with a clear justice aspect). Aratos in the 3rd century BCE names her Dike ("Justice" - the more traditional name for the goddess associated with Justice in the classical Period and for quite a while later in the Grecophone world), but perhaps conflates her with that light goddess of the Virgo constellation, because he mentions that she might be a child of the Titan Astraios (associated with stars and dusk) instead of the traditional description of Dike as daughter of Zeus and Themis. Ovid in his Metamorphoses takes that idea but treats Astrea/Astraea/Astraia/Ἀστραία (the female (from/of) Astaios) as given name for the goddess of Justice. Later Roman and some Greek sources used Astrea as the name for the goddess of justice (alongside Dike for the Greeks and Justicia for the Romans and sometimes seen as the same entity) and who also was the goddess of the constellation virgo (whereas libra was associated with Themis originally). (see e.g. for direct [translated] excerpts from the writings [link to the page Astraia on the website theoi] [link to the page Ouranios/HoraDike on the website theoi]. Thing is, in the post-Antiquity perception of (Lady) Justice she became more associated with libra (even the NP of the Astrea Servant in FGO has the scales of justice). Aside from the merging with the allegorical figure of Lady Justice there also was some Renaissance (and Early Modern) idea of Astrea's return in a new Golden Age (Vergil had a poem that mentions as the Golden Age returns so would the virgin and in the Aenais a similar prophecy directly referencing Augustus as bringing back a Golden Age [link to a source of the sixth book of Aenais in Latin; Verg.Aen.6,752-853]) under the leadership of the just and good ruler (e.g. in England associated with Elizabeth I [though Spencer in his Fariy Queen makes a joking refence saying that Astrea has left her husband, the literal Iron- (or bronze)man Talos ...] and later Charles II, in Spain Philip IV, in Russia Catherine the Great etc.). So those are also aspects to her later "life" (and one could argue later significance) the profile mentions.

[@kathrynblakeley9823]

As I always said, Wikipedia is a good place to start, but you better double check that information

[@AshyFeller]

Day one of requesting "Tales from Cazilor" by Naethan Apollo.

[@Nate-m8v]

Please don't use captions for any future Alan Becker reactions, they are not canon and are not made by Alan himself. I love your content.

[@snforde4603]

Hey Airer, do you plan to react to My Hero Academia Abridged Episode 4 by Sometime Witty Entertainment?

[@zemon8779]

You should react to n sanity its about where n becomes insane comic dub

[@cyrian2591]

REACT TO GILDEDGUY I WILL NOT LET YOU FORGET AGAIN (This is just a friendly reminder, Airier)

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

Jesus was astria confirmed /j

[@Zahri8Alang]

How about things like Mendela Effects? Do they not count

[@CGomm-le7gv]

What up dude just remember because someone keep asking for you to watch ena and it worked going to start asking for you to watch hauntlich dnd 80s cartoon review again if than ok out of all the stuff I've put those channels want you to see this first the most

[@guilhemmarty6287]

about 7:00 did you mean conflated ?

[@timothysanjuan8563]

Syncretism?

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

:) Hi I Just Got Tumblr

[@edgarwolfe9]

Hi