My Opinions on the New Official SSF2 Tierlist 2019 Patch 1.1! (Not my Tierlist!)

[@meleewaluigi]

*EXCUSE ME ILL HAVE YOU KNOW (insert your main here) IS TOP TIER BC I GET FREE WINS WITH HIM ONLINE!!!!*

[@JadeOverlimit]

isnt it the opposite with you

[@ashlynnisunoriginal]

*main=Game and Watch*

[@bluberrydee6205]

@@ashlynnisunoriginal Oof feels bad to be you I'm just happy for my boy kirby! But seriously, Dedede in SSF2!!!!

[@ashlynnisunoriginal]

@@bluberrydee6205 yessh it feels bad That is true

[@spydergaming6551]

Ichigo

[@CosmoCress]

Zelda - is 4th place - already top tier - can transform into Sheik - is 1st place - is still top tier -we dont need the transform move now-

[@mrnoobypants3151]

Literally god ...

[@poisonous_____]

I play shiek too Side special is really good for recovery and edgeguarding

[@Jacob-wy5gp]

Sheik is like Zelda’s ultra instinct

[@battery0.2]

we all know zelda's down b is her best move

[@dmavsixndmal1289]

Give us phantom!

[@ionrose1564]

You'd think its Yamcha disguised as Goku seeing how fast he fell down tier lists

[@ChloeBurbank65]

so someone think goku can use shadow clone

[@lay-lowandsmash1519]

It probably Is tbh

[@stand_rdsnotlive]

@@ChloeBurbank65 afterimage?

[@sammylucas6395]

Don't look down on Lord Yamcha!

[@gonic-kun6068]

Lol goku is too OP for smash games so they used yamcha as a replacement 😂😂😂

[@CineTurbo32X]

Goku is bottom tier. Wow. Anyways 1.2 Hype Anyone?

[@Ahtmh]

I wish i was as hyped as others, but it’s not very fun seeing my main get knocked down 25 places on the tier list...oh well. And update’s an update.

[@CineTurbo32X]

@@Ahtmh oof. I main Pac-Man

[@bluberrydee6205]

@@CineTurbo32X Me too but I always resort to Kirby when I start or lose a match

[@tjtg8861]

HOW IS PIKACHU NUMBER 3

[@alexcmadgaming8448]

actually REALLY suprised that goku is bottom tier. expected mid tier at worst.

[@kirbthelegend1617]

If you play zelda you already play a good character, but now you can transform into an even better character.

[@selvyucro]

this is true, coming from a zelda main

[@comettitun8087]

I would love to see your personal tier list bowler!

[@gamejitzu]

Pichu seriously needs to have his self-damage scale closer to ultimate. Because sometimes it feels as if you reach 150% in like one minute. well maybe his Discharge specials could be reworked too. so there's more benefit to it than just ragdolling everywhere

[@zerooksd8906]

Yay! i am one of the only 2 G&W representants, which make of me the 2nd best G&W player despite being terrible with him! Sucess!!

[@dred4dead551]

g&w doesn't feel like the worst character to me. I think he'll be bumped up with more g&w players.

[@krowpan799]

He was my main, I didn’t know he was bad.

[@waluigi9901]

He's one of many mains

[@Poketoonix]

Mortis

[@lucanic6982]

I'm the other G&W

[@bluarrow4505]

Don’t know what they be smoking cuz Sandbag is SSS+++ tier

[@anonjoeoof2113]

He's good as long as you dont go under the stage because then his up special will kill you

[@CodeKirby]

R e v e n g e

[@user-km8rf9jz1s]

You are correct

[@tallerlamp385]

They never played a hardcore sandbag main for sure, when I see one online I cry a little

[@ARandomPerson--]

Only noobs die with there own up special real sand bags choose when they die no cap🤣 no but fr tho😤

[@batguy39]

Nerfed Goku being bottom tier makes sense I feel like gravity is his biggest enemy

[@CentsGD]

that's ironic considering the fact that he can literally fly LMAO

[@victikirby15]

Bowler: makes Tier list vid McLeod: *Sora resprite trailer and Waluigi tease*

[@gamingmimigma4001]

Blackmage Players (Like me) be Like: *sad noice

[@_WiZ420]

yea tell me about it

[@ikarainijirai]

You're not the only one

[@vectorricktenson216]

*Mr game & watch players be like*

[@crimsontanooki7212]

we shall fight to get him better BLACK MAGES UNITE AND KICK SOME BUTT!

[@alexcmadgaming8448]

i main both black mage and goku. Also Naruto. all my mains are meh.

[@Kokorz]

My boy Kirby rising up the ranks

[@staticchimera44]

ikr

[@APcGamer]

Kirby mains rise up! :D

[@lilacbey8246]

Kirb

[@sharpsilver6401]

Kirby Main over here!

[@wharknut]

Yeah dude

[@Artmagic3318]

pikachu in 1.1 got a super major buff in the form of quick attack cancel. That tech allows pikachu to jump cancel a quick attack aimed to the ground, with that tech pikachu's neutral becomes insane for two reasons, 1: Diagonal quick attack beats shields so, shielding against pikachu is actually an unsafe option. 2 It combos at low % to his really good combo game and it kill comfirms to his bair or nair. He has strengths aside from quick attack like a disjointed tail (like pre 1.1 tails), a good combo game, great aerials specially with up air that is a frame 2 disjointed move that combos and gimps, good edge guarding with nair, up air and dair, good kill options with kill comfirms like nair up smash, up air up smash, quick attack nair/bair or just a raw up smash on neutral which is quite disjointed and comes out on frame 6. AlphaRC an old beta player came back to the scene and started getting top 3 in every tourney he attended. I would like to give everyone all the explanations with the backroom about the more surprising placements.

[@enochfeng3233]

Still confused on a few things though: 1: "Diagonal quick attack beats shields so, shielding against pikachu is actually an unsafe option." What does that mean? Does it break the shield or something? you can still nair out of shield right? 2: "...good kill options with kill confirms like nair up smash, up air up smash..." how do you even set up those kill confirms though? nair sends enemies way too far away for an up smash at kill % and to connect an up air and then up smash needs an opponent to be in the air, but then up air sends them too far away for an up smash, so I have no idea how to do this kill confirm. I tried up air tail spike into up smash, but that only works against opponents that are big, otherwise you are not going to hit your opponent.

[@Artmagic3318]

@@enochfeng3233 diagonal quick attack straight up ignores your shield do to a bug, Nair up smash is not hard to set up you just need to use the late Nair hitbox and up air up smash actually works if you do the up air low to the ground and since up air is really quick coming out on frame 2 plus a really low landing lag that combo simply works

[@salj.5459]

I like how using electric attacks shows the character's skeleton like in Smash 64

[@5C0RP_]

My main is ZERO SUIT SAMUS *Low Tier* They HURTING MY MAIN

[@mrnoobypants3151]

Meh.. seeing ur reaction ... Iam happy chibi is my main

[@Hello________________]

Its not like your main is the "worst" character in the game!

[@5C0RP_]

@@Hello________________ oh, fine. I don't mind to play online, i just play offline

[@charliefunk3309]

TBH that's perfect spot for ZSS cuz she doesn't really punish here opponent here recovery is completely useless cuz it's just a tether grab and here down-b only gives here a little bit jump forward so I agree here she is on the tier list

[@thatoneotheridiot3361]

*cries in black mage*

[@HMZeroTwo]

>Both of my SSF2 mains are F-Tier *_: " )_*

[@crimsontanooki7212]

i feel your pain but i secondary both

[@5C0RP_]

My main is ZSS but i play Random characters alot more

[@gamejitzu]

it be like that ; _ ; some fighters are in the lower tiers because of the new systems, like how the trade system makes clanks weird. so if the next patch fixes that those fighters could be better

[@pinksywedarnoc8017]

Those two people in f tier are my mains to.

[@M0mazosMissy]

**Sad game and watch noises**

[@milanm.43]

Ok i dont wanna be that guy But BOMBERMAN BETTER THEN FOX?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

[@redwarrior118]

@Kevin Ng You can do that with cpt. falcon too it's just really unreliable, and frankly, not viable to do. Kinda like ice climbers infinite in ultimate

[@devieleeshentobhie3288]

Yeah

[@LeonOcto]

T H E N

[@milanm.43]

@@LeonOcto it was an accident *than

[@itkorea792]

What do you mean? Fox is worse then Bomberman for sure. Bomberman has transcendent priority on p-bombs (literally the highest priority), Insane kill power with forward air, good combo/aerial/throw game and decent recovery that is hard to contest. Fox, on the other hand, has better horizontal recovery and speed, while Bomberman pretty much excels everything else then fox.

[@joutakujo2366]

YAY TAILS ISN'T AT THE TOP Now I can play the character I like without "CaRrIed" and "tIeR wHoRe" comments

[@Marq5104]

Kirby got buffed, noice

[@absolutechaosgaminggamesvl6456]

Lucky bitch I main shiek and megaman

[@5C0RP_]

Lloyd recovery is a new SSF2 Little Mac

[@cadetjones9205]

*DOWN SPECIAL*

[@gamejitzu]

he can at least down B like captain falcon, and his side b is decent but he's basically still the little mac of ssf2

[@mouradd57]

No goku recover is worse lol

[@5C0RP_]

@@mouradd57 almost same but i think forgot to add Naruto -_-

[@Petronia911]

@@5C0RP_ I'd say Naruto has one of the worst. Atleast Lloyd can regain his double jump with Down Special, or do mixups with Side & Up Special. Goku, while ledgehogged easily, has that float atleast.

[@manyachievables]

I'm glad that Kirby and Naruto have gone up on these tier lists. They're my favourite characters to play, so it's good to know that they are becoming slightly better. Poor Black Mage... I love 'em, but wow, he does not get much love.

[@MrAlip007]

I hoped they bring ganondorf in SSF2 (JUST ASKING)

[@williamwhitby5759]

Mr incredible as a clone

[@mazder_2709]

they most likely won't since he's just a clone of C. Falcon, making Clones in this game is a lot harder than in SSBU

[@williamwhitby5759]

@@mazder_2709 Pshh, Ganon doesn't HAVE to be a clone.

[@Palladion_RAIA]

Your asking for the captain falcon echo fighter?

[@krowpan799]

Have u seen project m ganondorf and smash ultimate ganondorf?

[@TheAuraRealm]

Disclaimer: Tier lists don't matter (it's opinionated) As long you are good with the character you play and you know this, who cares?

[@Artmagic3318]

They do actually matter but not as much on ssf2 You can play a bottom tier character like gnw and win some online matches but when you play tourneys your chances of doing well with gnw are really low

[@YKMillion]

This is the absolute truth. Most people think that tier lists are everything. They play characters only if they're high on the tier list, usually disregarding their own opinions on certain characters. Most of the characters I main are Mid or lower, including Black Mage, but I don't even care. I see some people online "maining" Peach and when we start playing they're spamming Down Smash, Forward Tilt and Side B and saying, "Oh, I'm so good." It's annoying.

[@grzmotgaminglover6894]

It does I got bodied by a garbage sheik player because I was playing my main Goku hey remember when he was good

[@YKMillion]

@@grzmotgaminglover6894 Not trying to be mean here, but probably cuz you're bad. I destroy Sheiks easily.

[@CCuppy29]

If you want to compete and succeed, yes they do. Take it from a Pit character loyalist, I’ve played him along with other low tiers like Smash 4 Falco and Ultimate Brawler and Ganon, results will come much easier if you play a good character. I’m not saying you can’t do well with a low tier, especially in Ultimate, but disregarding tier lists is dumb and not helpful

[@Flash_Warn1ng]

you don't know how long I have been waiting for this tier list and it was worth it

[@Kaijicade]

I hope Black Mage gets a buff. I loved him in 9b and most of beta, but his side b was nerfed hard.

[@blackmage1276]

Hes faster and jumps higher tho

[@Kaijicade]

@@blackmage1276 true and i think he is a decent character i'm just reminiscing on the past

[@Akabonba]

>Become top 10 on the FCR by the end of the season via solo maining Bomberman. >Goes down 2 spaces on the tierlist. >tfw

[@VaporeyeZ]

Oof

[@Nain9]

F

[@jevy2099]

F

[@polywow449]

RIP aka

[@anasazilespider5574]

F

[@endaa45]

My opinion This tierlist is boosh Black Mage, Game and Watch, Pichu, and Bandana Dee are being UnderRated And remmber lads, this ain't Bowler's tier list so dont get pissed at him.

[@mischiefwaluigi0446]

BDEE IS NOT AN UNDERRATED CHAR!!! not with awful kill power, light weight, and overall poor options in punish.

[@mischiefwaluigi0446]

oh and trust me, the bois made all the right decisions, G/W got a hard nerf and literally has no good MUs

[@sunny_dany]

shut up ur ass

[@mischiefwaluigi0446]

no u dany, you quit the game lmao

[@charliefunk3309]

5:31 damn sick combos especially that forward air he did it while he's holding the edge I didn't knew luffy can do that

[@ramne6779]

Unlike Smash Ultimate, Sheik is an actual character!

[@kash2862]

Nope, she is now in ultimate, look at voids and charlidakings shieks

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

@@kash2862 By that he means that Sheik is not on low tier here.

[@ramne6779]

LeBaguetteFedoraMan yep

[@INFERNO95]

LeBaguetteFedoraMan people are comparing a fan project to professionals.

[@5C0RP_]

Sheik is still hard to use (my opinion)

[@jandreplayz9833]

Lloyd staying A Tier is somewhat satisfying, but poor Black Mage mains

[@mr.gameandwatch2018]

RIP me mr game and watch 1980 to 2019

[@eliteanbu2392]

Omg my main commented um Mr.Game and Watch sir may I have a selfie please

[@mischiefwaluigi0446]

Bowler, they got rid of bdee's one good kill confirm, fucked up all his kill power, he cant punish for shit, he dies early, and doesnt have a lot of good MUs. not tomention his disjoints trade making it hard to approach some characters who outrange bdee. his placement is understandable and probably the most accurate imo.

[@VaporeyeZ]

woah a new list???

[@Sigil348]

Hi

[@eliteanbu2392]

I like the name

[@CodeKirby]

hi

[@slumpoftheeast]

As a Pikachu main, I can understand them putting him higher up. His combo game is pretty sick and t jolts are a great projectile. Also, his quick attack cancel is actually nuts. And that alone makes me squee

[@LikeWagon]

I don't know why it is coincidence Kirb raise up because of World of Memes.

[@aredma2883]

Puff mains: puff might be good here mcleodgaming:nope no melee puff

[@redwarrior118]

Puff is nearly the same in SSF2 as he was in melee, minus the huge bair. I think there are not enough puff players.

[@aredma2883]

Oh yea? Are her rest kill comfirms as good? And in a meta full of swords puff can't handle

[@gamesofblades7192]

Also stop exactly at 10:55 and you will see the most funniest things ever

[@choo_choo1256]

I really like your tier list that is definitely your tier list and no one else's tier list

[@BowlerSSF2]

Plasma Specter thank you 🙃

[@qhoriegarcia4769]

bowler"sonic fair is not good" Sammythesonicfan"YOUFRICKINGFRICK"

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

When will you learn?!

[@Nain9]

"Its time". Thanks a lot for the vid! Really appreciate it

[@kajselajs1368]

I personally find Black Mage as broken, just rapidly charge Forward and down smash to max and the opponent won’t be able to touch you.

[@GoldDragon20]

When you make your tiers for this, see how Sora's flowmotion can combo into itself when holding behind you when you connect.

[@_wulfx1421]

Aye i made a cameo with that graphic. :D

[@gamenwatch6269]

G&W is amazing! Its because no one plays him up to his full attention. He has a good windbox to keep opponents, very good d-tilt, d-throw can go with different mix ups, nair can combo into itself, down b canactually help his momentum down, very good recovery. I don't know why he would be put so low, other than being light and not as fast, but come on really worst?? Man where are all the G&W players at.

[@5C0RP_]

I don't play online but i think G&W is okay

[@GEO_ACO]

"nobody plays meta knight" hey.

[@kirinotosaki9004]

No matter the placement, Black Mage is always a fun character, especially with that fully charged smash attacks, looks cool tbh

[@Iustin-jv6tz]

well, i'm a black mage main and i never had a hard time using it xd also, mr. game and watch ain't that bad either, i'd give em both a C- od D lol

[@weegeearmy1391]

honestly with the rise of G&W in smash ultimate, i think the same will happen in ssf2. In ssf2 he still has up b as an amazing OOS option His down air is even better in ssf2 and its a reliable spike. His forward air is even better ins ssf2 too, a disjointed kill move

[@zxcvpro6016]

I'm an aNiMe weeb so I'm happy that Naruto was buffed. :D

[@ChloeBurbank65]

really? ok...

[@jajathenewking6131]

I'm use to the ultimate mega man. I love maining the characters that are in the mid teir like pit, mega man, and sora for ssf2.

[@kirbystargod]

Why you can't be S-Tier, Bowler? LoL

[@HazeSillyGoose]

I feel like pichus discharge state really should be at about 100% ish so you get benefits for sourcing that high as a light character

[@dabiga2315]

TFW Your main and secondary are bottom tier

[@goddersgaming2186]

ikr game and watch has some good combos and black mage's ko power is insane. no way are they 'unviable' characters

[@algo985]

:( that face

[@pinksywedarnoc8017]

Ikr those are my mains too:(

[@GhostlyMorpher]

F for Ludvix memes

[@eonshade6297]

lmao

[@GoonCommander]

Black mage was literally Top spot during the first demo, Now he's Bottom. His side B wasn't a dot it was a line His Down throw did insane damage I don't know if his Hair still spikes, But it was basically melee Marth His Nair did like 24 His back throw was one of the strongest kill throws His down B would Cover his body as a shield in the air, And if fully charged was basically warlock punch, but could charge while moving, and release anytime just Incase, With lower power of course but useful

[@loglord142]

woah, a new ssf2 video?

[@jhonj5702]

Black Mage mains are hard to come by, that much is true. I do wonder what changes Mcleodgaming will give to the fella. He's always been slow on foot so hopefully they'll give him a speed boost.

[@Petronia911]

Hopefully some air speed too!

[@pocket5783]

Our boi BD still not getting enough love :(

[@mischiefwaluigi0446]

no shit lol, he just needs kill power and more weight.

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

Thanks for keeping this concise, unlike the bullshit ultimate players talk about before their hour long tier list talk... making about 1hr and a half. Thanks!

[@5C0RP_]

Smash Ultimate character has 75 Roster, that's why

[@yourbodyis75waterandimthir44]

When you're a black mage main : 😀🔫

[@jondoof221]

When you're a black mage main: This tier nerf doesn't hurt as much as you hurt my feelings.

[@londonp8683]

Sheik is dabbling at 0:59

[@bc_gaming4502]

Wait which tier is random? Random main btw

[@ArtemiyBerezhnoy]

all of the above

[@SatoruNatara123]

Obviously, it's ? Tier :p

[@8bitraee]

I was just a normal Tails main because I have always liked him and was really excited he was in this. But a+, S, and A?! WOW! XD

[@Kritical77]

Our boi will always be good

[@selvyucro]

@@Kritical77 1.3 said n o

[@8735zhu]

they did not know how good anyone is cause black mage and pichu are low

[@MrJh1233]

Emraldio Plays Please do your research.They aren’t that great

[@Snowballsage]

“I think that’s the biggest problem” He can’t even grab the ledge lol

[@michaelstuart7]

When goku goes from s tier to d *wheres the bleach ma'am*

[@zacharyyoungblood7013]

Ichigo: ...

[@habichuela8006]

Smash Ultimate Reviewers be Like: "Goku's is now considered an unviable character. I would say this is due to the nerf on Goku's up special as its much easier to gimp and harder to use without the opponent getting easy punishes. Basically, once you're off the stage with Goku you're stuck in disadvantage. Or at least that's the opinion of the reviewers, I personally believe that with the option of float Goku can still place much higher on the tier list. " Bowler be like: "Goku is considered bottom five. They did nerf the up b and it is much harder to recover, but considering he already has that float; like its not that big of a deal. Personally I don't have Goku near bottom five I have him a little higher than that."

[@tacos5394]

:'( no hablo ingles pero bueno amo súper smash flash 2 💙

[@JesusCriseMusic]

ya somos 2

[@chipusmashups5976]

3 viejo!

[@StwartRD]

4 CARNAL

[@ikarainijirai]

Yo hablo Ingles

[@saltee3040]

Those Luigi buffs make me happy as someone who’s enjoyed him for a while

[@kbar6610]

play project m

[@BubbaBrons]

I wish they would put time into actually recoloring the skins for the characters

[@mikeybones5632]

HIW DARE YOU PUT KIRBY 17TH AT !?!?!?!?!??!?!??@ 1V1 ME SRUB #poyoGang

[@HDLLHANZ]

sans the moose ok Comic Sans

[@zahec3636]

sans the moose This is not Bowler’s Tier list chill dude

[@SuperMono64]

Aye, my guy Lloyd still in higher tiers, only thing that matters to me 💜💜

[@lifefruit8738]

*"The S-Tier is all Girls"* Me: *"excuse me what the f-"*

[@hermesondjessy111]

Pikachu

[@Pigest]

McCloud gaming THANK YOU for the luigi replacement

[@plastickkerorolm4889]

bowler the biggest problem with pichu isnt really his weight it IS his discharge state. despite all of his moves sorta getting a buff, they do more damage to him. once in a discharge state you might aswell be at 120% because your gonna do so much damage spacing neutral b, recovering , fishing for fsmash kills that youll do 50 dmage so fast

[@leifybear2286]

I kinda agree with their placement of luigi, however, as a luigi main I believe that he is low A tier rather then his current placement. The problems that are listed when it comes to luigi make sense and I agree with nearly all aside from his matchup against sword characters. Luigi does have problems with other sword characters, however, he has a very good matchup against marth giving him good stance in the meta.

[@GabrielTheMagolorMain]

They are really cruel to the bois aren’t they? Edit: The SSF2 community could use a buff to Chibi Robo, Sandbag, Black Mage, Bomberman, and to a certain extent Ichigo and Waluigi. Please tell me that they are one of your mains so I don’t feel bad

[@xenn7876]

Hope ZSS gets buffs so instead of placing top 5 in tourneys I can win em

[@thuglifegalah8268]

Ness _has_ a good recovery. You just have to be good at drawing circles.

[@AngelGlimmer]

R.I.P Nairo.

[@LODELUCAS]

I stop playing ichigo for a year and he drops from high tier 😔 smh

[@Disco_Man_Doopop_Doubly]

I just started playing Peach and I agree with this list

[@AngelGlimmer]

MADE IT INTO THE TOP 20TH!! I love playing Kirby in SSF2 and learning Combos with him, i'm glad he's that high here.

[@dannydanny6442]

Let me get this straight. Bowser is placed higher tier then Fox & ZSS. How?

[@zegtendo724]

Thing's that need to rework on goku 1. Kamehameha :it maybe powerfull in full charge but its so fking slow when comes of charging The solution on this is goku ssbc Kamehameha : because it can teleport making it a suprise atrack just like naruto and ichigo charge attack in the game super smash u need to be quick 2.the kaioken : make it like sore forward b For example to trigger kaioken u need hit it in the enemy and the kei blast will replace with super dash but admit it. its to dangerous to use Thats why what about replace it with sora forward b which once hit u can combo it depend on which derection

[@Aaron-dw4fr]

I main bowser and respect his placing. I love his damage but he is THICC

[@raheemspencer5874]

I have a suggestion and feel free to agree/disagree: What if Isaac's Up B didn't put him into free fall? It would up his combo game and make him rise in the ranks.

[@ZInfinte]

McLeodgaming has graced us with one second of waluigi’s foot

[@lepep6737]

Bowler: I'm confused on why pikachu is high tier Me: have you not heard about ESAM

[@realestAG]

Personally think Mario should be at least on top of mid tier or bottom high tier. Combo game is still crazy, Recovery is definitely above average thanks to down b. Back air is STUPID good and Fireballs are kinda busted. Agree that Issac should be higher. Ichigo should definitely be top 5 or 10 imo Lloyd is so fucking overrated. Top 15 or 20 Pikachu is definitely top 5 but not top 3 Mario > Luigi Kirby should be lower Sonic is SUPER underrated

[@MikeXeno365]

As a tails mains he almost feels the same only a few things got nerfed but I can work with this he's definitely top 5 in my opinion

[@originaljm6284]

Aye the bois climbing the ranks

[@cutz2099]

finally as the 2 years of being a Zelda main i can now show my power but that also means i have to drop ness

[@SociaII]

i feel like luigis superrr underrated, he probably has one of the better recoveries if you can use it correctly, with his amazing combo game

[@clawsshotter]

15:58 Woah, what taunt is that?? Maybe I’m a noob, idk. I’ve just never seen that taunt o_o

[@mairou996]

Also about luigi he did not only get better combos most of them give you stage control and a gimp situation. I’m happy with the placement.

[@Potato_Harvey]

honestly i'd say that Pichu is the most Broken Character after 50% because i took out three level 9 Bowsers at the same time with the UP SPECIAL

[@nersie4699]

i can beat a lvl 9 cpu blindfolded

[@blackmailed1072]

Good to see BM isn't bottom 3, oh wait! He's bottom 2 now! *WONDERFUL.*

[@jondoof221]

You eat babies.

[@hylind1912]

I dunno, I think Tails more than deserves his spot. His only real nerf between the tier lists was changing his UpB. He has a good projectile, amazing air game and combo game, his own mechakoopa for additional combos, and strong neutral game. His recovery's not as great as it once was, which is why I understand mid tier placement, but he's still mad powerful Edit: Open to productive and constructive argumentation.

[@mrcyrious1227]

Nice i don't have any problem, i use I use almost all the characters, (except for the anime characters, if I use Naruto) but my mains are Marth, Peach and Puff

[@yakumo4589]

Oof, people said I could make Sora A tier, but hey, at least I brought him to a solid B. It's a nice list they made