The SSF2 Iceberg Explained…

[@BowlerSSF2]

Here’s some corrections by Crazynaut: - Urban Champion was actually discovered the day the update first dropped for Insiders. I can't confirm who did it first, but shout-out to Sixtuple D in the MG Discord who accidentally stumbled across it and sent everyone into a frenzy. - Though Blade and Blue were created by the guy who ran KCA, they didn't come from the website. Not much is known about Blue, but Blade was specifically made for Cleod9 to use in SSF1 (or rather, the Sonic fan game that eventually became SSF1). - Peril Roulette was said to have been revealed too early in its development, and the team underestimated the work involved to make it possible. That and the mixed reception of the feature in general led to it getting cut. - Sandbag had a similar planned accessory to the Pikachu/Jigglypuff hats, which was a bandage. I believe that was technically the first accessory costume that got revealed for the game. Nowadays it's only referenced for his lose pose, but there was also a bug in Beta 1.1 that let you access a buggy version of the scrapped costume in Training mode. - Wall jumps were possible from v0.8a to v0.9a. It seems they put separate wall-jumpable objects or something over the walls themselves, because you can actually jump on Central Highway's "walls" after they've already fallen. - The mysterious Krystal stage was just an experimental stage that wasn't meant to be anything. It was made by the same developer as Krazoa Palace but otherwise has no relation. - As far as I'm concerned, Snake's reveal and soft deconfirmation had nothing to do with Flash of Shadows, he sort of just got swept up by the rest of the roster revamp. - There were actually five expansion characters revealed on the dojo, with the fifth being Ike. It doesn't seem like his page was archived sadly, but there's a video online showing a later version of that dojo where you can see a square of him.

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Merry Christmas!

[@lluiscavalcanticalvo1192]

Not that anyone asked, but I made the peach castle 64 stage before I ended up joining the dev team. We had the stage in testing, but the bottom moving platform proved to be a visual and technical issue, since the perspective of the sprite needed to change as the large platform moved left to right. Ended up being cut since some of the aesthetics where not quite right and was outside of the scope for stages at the time. I left the art team once I joined a professional game development studio, but still looking forward for the incoming update, curious to see what the amazing ssf2 team have been working on since I left.

[@BowlerSSF2]

Thanks for the info 🙏

[@1smash18]

5:41 I see you, bruh. And YES I do main EVERYONE. Shoutouts to you, man. Much love!

[@ibrahimragab3579]

Man haven't played for 3 years and saw the notification and the memories came running back

[@UltraNurture]

I first played Super Smash Flash 2 with v0.7 in early 2011 and it's been outstanding to see the journey of this game and it's community over the years. You did an amazing job with this video and I'm glad it will get more fans of SSF2 to know about some obscure things I've enjoyed talking about over the years like the old Subspace Emissary inspired Flash of Shadows mode, the old respawn platforms, and so much more. 22:02 Believe it or not, I do recognize the name Muah, I remember watching his videos on Super Smash Flash 2 and Super Smash Bros Crusade and having discussions with him in the comments about those games. I hope he's doing alright!

[@OwangeZenGaming]

Can't believe the game still hasn't updated yet.

[@criloof]

McLeodGaming are expert for abandonning their games💀

[@darkdoctor1915]

They were going to release an update this year but they had to delay it, as it wasn’t ready yet

[@chibk]

@@darkdoctor1915 can they please hurry😭

[@darkdoctor1915]

@@chibk, they can’t rush it

[@toorurururu5911]

​@@chibk you can't Rush masterpiece bro

[@DiazoContent]

Watching this video and getting the BIGGEST whiplash when I hear CLUB PENGUIN DS GADGET ROOM MUSIC in the background was not something I was expecting

[@taylornicty1170]

I'm in my 30s and have been following this game for so long and have been around for most of what you talked about in this video. Watching this was an awesome nostalgic trip I love SSF2 and its community and I can't wait to see the future of SSF2 and Fraymakers

[@RemyDyte]

really wish Roy got added, the concept of reusing his gba sprite to make it a playable fighter wouldve been so cool to see

[@quackersanonymous7531]

babe wake up new bowler ssf2 vid dropped (new tier list soon??)

[@itzweegee8529]

30:09 Those pikachus really are rabbits.

[@imperialphoenix1229]

That's one way to put it...

[@baileywalker2478]

🤣

[@Snoc75]

Dude, I thought the KZbinr Muah was just some fever dream I had back in the day or something! When I tried to find his channel again and had no luck, I totally thought that either he was really obscure or my brain just made him up. I feel so validated after your mention of him!

[@LucarioShirona]

Fun Fact: Sonic's Artwork used from v0.9b, while uses Sonic's Charging Up Smash animation from Brawl, the angle and frame picked accordingly was picked with Smash 4 Artwork of Sonic as inspiration, mainly the head. The pose was also picked as it kinda resembles how Sonic's start up on Rooftop Run in Sonic Generations. I was the one who did an early progress of the sprite artwork and a fellow SSF2 Dev I was in contact with who cleaned it up and finished it before it was added to the demo at the time.

[@Jondicce]

8:57 Jesus Christ, a massive wave of nostalgia came flooding back hearing that song.

[@Kamikaze8]

Song name? 🎵

[@Jondicce]

@@Kamikaze8 Sparkleton from Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Ganes DS

[@PincessTrunks]

I thought the horse racers part was gonna be that Greg was a professional horse racer before becoming a game developer.

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

Would've been epic if he was both too, game dev and horse racer

[@celastik]

I like to imagine that the person who started the rumor that Jigglypuff would be replaced by Gligar was Armada.

[@ironaidan07]

This made me realize just how long SSF2 has been a part of my life, as I remember most of this iceberg firsthand. I’m happy the journey continues and I look forward to SSF2’s future

[@Indignation6]

One another thing about the ssf2 cypher, there was a planned music video but I'm pretty sure no one knew how to make it.

[@pauldobobuto1031]

Listening to Chernabogue during the entire video just made it better Nice vid Bowler.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Man I have so much nostalgia with SSF1, played it religiously in my school years and I would always discuss with my friends on how to unlock everyone, dumb kid me always though Blade and Blue were official characters and would try to look up what game Sonic Games they came from, kid me did not understand the concept of OCs, I was so young and naive. SS1 would be my first introduction to characters like Crono, Lloyd, and even Cloud. A shame Mr. Incredible never came back in SSF2, the greatest loss of SS2 was the unique Respawn Platforms, they were very soulful and charming nods to a character’s series, awesome video!

[@riboiman4005]

Some fun facts / experiences of mine while playing this game over the years: A long time ago, back in middle school, I was playing SSF2 v0.8b with one of my friends. I ended up using a Poké Ball and we experienced the MissingNo reference first hand. We were on a Chromebook and luckily I knew it was from the game (I wasn't fooled haha). The problem was, instead if returning the game to a normal playable state, the sound ended up going blank, and we could not interact with the game. We ended up having to restart the Chrome browser to get it to work again. Once again, I was playing SSF2 v0.8b with one of my friends. I was Sora, and he was Goku. For some reason I did not understand how the glide mechanic worked back then when Sora had a Brawl-like glide so I quite literally disabled the jump button and used Up-B and a combination of Neutral-B and N-Air to recover (N-Air made him sudo-glide). Now here's something I haven't ever seen get covered. I used to be someone that played many different versions of SSF2, essentially I was a glitch hunter that liked to expose glitches from different versions of the game. I was also a nerd with how the physics engine has changed over the years. Since at the time I was on a Chromebook, I could only use the Flash player to play the game. I had gone on to an unblocked games site that took me to v0.9a. This however, was no ordinary v0.9a. Half the items were gone from the menu, greyed out, including the Smash Ball, but half the items were available still. In addition, I had found out on one random match that Ichigo's grounded Up-B had a 1 frame active hitbox (the last hit of the multihit), where I kid you not, it just insta-killed the opponent. At 0% even, it looked like launching someone at 300% with a smash attack. Great iceberg video btw!

[@DarkAura19]

21:35 Funny thing, the exact same thing happened with Mario in the original Smash.

[@MedhaosFEH]

Small correction/minor nitpick - Key Jacket’s hitbox wasn’t technically permanent because you had to roll through Trampoline to actually make it hit people. But otherwise, great vid. Nice to see you back

[@VaporeyeZ]

silph co. and skyward voyage 💔

[@traesmith9822]

Final Forms were last in a SSF2 Build 8 years ago... it hurt when you said that time flies 😅

[@smartinezai]

That footage of the water leak from a pvc pipe really got me hooked

[@XAfroWarriorX]

You're welcome for the career Bowler me and the gang will be taking royalties for the flashcast anytime

[@TwinbeeMint]

Let's go, the Goat is back Also Hbox should play SSF2 more

[@haitam5453]

5:06 Yooo there I am! I'm in history now. Glory to Sandbag.

[@kpgohan]

Nostalgia is crazy in this video. Appreciate you Bowler ⚡

[@elkarlo1593]

EarthBound spoilers for the Devil's Machine unlock method: If I remember correctly you need to self destruct in lake of rage, which could be a reference to the Deep Deep Darkness, which is a swamp in EarthBound and has a remix in the ssf2 stage, and needing Ness's Ghost Costume might be a reference to the fact that to beat gyigas, Ness has to travel to the past by transferring his soul into a robot, gyigas being located at the Devil's Machine

[@ultradude25yt]

So ness would have to kill himself?

[@yoshitaxfraudosaurus]

Wow bowler I'm sorry for being negative a few months ago when you posted a teaser at the community tab. You did not dissapoint 😊

[@miguelco673]

7:38 I also remember that in v0.7 there was a similar glitch, with Lloyd you throw the baseball bat or the fan (i dont remember) upwards and when it falls towards you, you use DownB, and you can do the infinite Assist Trophy glitch, the camera freezes but you can keep moving. (I don't remember if it also works with Ness or someone else)

[@arsssf2]

maybe the video will boost algorithm for when the update drops 👀

[@VistyMe]

The computer lap part gave me so much nostalgia. I remember always trying to speed run ssf1 after school seeing how fast I could unlock Luigi in classic mode

[@rttoons2003]

I'm hoping someone archived Muah's videos.

[@migmalucogachatm5618]

I had no idea about the computer labs but I knew about CLEODBOT like the back of my hand lmfao

[@proximaeon]

Excuse me for this, but I kinda feel that I must re-lived that time in my life when the Sonic Fanbase had this concept of Dark Sonic's existence. Dark Sonic is strange as it only appeared on the Anime, Sonic X, and is difficult to say if it is a real Super form in that Universe. It only happened when Sonic got enraged after his friends were harmed by the main villain of the final arc and it is believed that it was caused by the insane amount of fabricated fake Chaos Emeralds. The "true" power of Dark Sonic wouldn't be equal to Super Sonic because Negative thoughts don't bring the same power as positive, and that is hard to know if a Fake Emerald can have the same limitless power as a real Chaos Emerald (in fact, we have a "true" Dark form, which is Darkspine Sonic). This "equal" power to Super is mostly from fan-animations.

[@eslamvszombies1713]

Let's fucking go. More SSf2 content

[@Ryo-q6k]

This game was part of my childhood amd was the reason I spent several sleepless nights. I never had a video game in the early years of my life and discover this game made me fell into many games that I didn't know and games that nowdays are my favorite, like Kid Icarus and the Mother series. I don't think there's enough words in my vocabulary to thank the creator and devs of this game, they made the boring childhood a brazilian kid in a poor family much happier and much better.

[@BowlerSSF2]

That's a really touching story, I'm glad SSF2 had such a positive impact on your life!

[@smashingstack9498]

30:22 ayo we ain’t gonna just ignore those 2 pikachus having their way with zss bro 💀

[@troykv96]

The Iñaki lore was wild. Also, it's fun to see the quite insane story this game has xD

[@jayymorris5285]

We NEED an SSF2 Knuckles (And Shadow, but one miracle at a time)

[@opadrip]

I've been waiting for the full version of this game since i was in Elementary school.

[@Petronia911]

My favorite piece of old SSF2 news cut content is "Fox with Krystal's staff" as a playable character. Oh, and Kratos from Tales of Symphonia.

[@maxlimit9129]

always get mildly jumpscared when oomfie is important in scenes like this

[@daemon4778]

Bro, I just downloaded this game again, this was perfect timing. I just have two questions: Is the game still being worked on? Because the version I downloaded shows 2022. Also, why did McLeodGaming remove the game from their website?

[@BowlerSSF2]

Yes it’s still being worked on, the next update is looking to be one of the largest ever. As for the website, all SSF2 related news and downloads are on the new SSF2 website

[@crossptn]

Needed to sleep but let's delay that a little 🔥

[@giornothepastaboss285]

30:23! Whoa Pikachu is getting some action

[@Beast_the_smash_guy]

9:55 So...that video is gone...

[@BowlerSSF2]

It's unlisted but still up.

[@Beast_the_smash_guy]

@BowlerSSF2 I searched up the link and can't find it anywhere

[@terakoinfinity9523]

I'm glad to have been playing ssf1 since 2010 and ssf2 since 2016. Not only big parts of my childhood, but I still play ssf2 till this day. I can't wait for the new update hopefully coming by 2026🙏🏿

[@MissClockwork]

Fun fact! Spongebob was planned as an expansion character. If i can get into my old MCG Forums account, i can provide screenshot proof as I was told this info in a DM after making a character request thread

[@bdo333]

22:03 I havent heard of that name in ages. Pretty much the first SSF2 creator ive seen

[@ProjectSandbag]

If only I had time to make some of that cut content real + expansion support. Might as well call it SSF3 😅

[@ProjectSandbag]

Great video Bowler, nostalgia is real ❤

[@keyssb1027]

I can’t find a video on this and wish it was in the iceberg, but I remember a glitch where Pac-Man could have Galaga’s stay out on the stage forever as constant hitboxes and can’t find any video footage of it. Also hi Bowler, it’s been a while!

[@JSins_]

Inari actually made a video on Monte’s ban, but he deleted both of them soon after. Had no idea he had over 20 alts

[@xXgenderlessgoon_92Xx]

goated for using mario & sonic at the olympic winter games ds music

[@Bile_NG]

I miss when Super Sonic had his own unique moveset. That was so damn cool...

[@michelk.8008]

22:05 What's up Everyone? My Name is Muah, AND TODAY... God I missed his Catchphrase a line. Those were Good Times :)

[@XanKr1mson]

Yeah... what happened to that guy? All his stuff is wiped off youtube...

[@UnderMuncher]

6:30 Mom i made it!

[@Iqzid]

Hey bowler love your channel I was wondering if you could ever do another review on the sandbox mod now that it has multiple new fighters, I know you mentioned not usually wanting to do mod videos but I genuinely think it would be a great video!

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

20:20 That's pretty poorly phrased, Snake probably got cut unrelated to Flash of Shadows

[@mikaelamonsterland]

i miss this game

[@Iamaperson32]

33:29 That is Fleetway Super Sonic not Dark Sonic.

[@SSG-Romahs2004]

When I was a kid I played this game a lot back in the day with my lil brother at the time god that’s it was a good time

[@yemree13]

wıow bowler just uploaded and THE VIDEO IS 40 MINUTES LETS GOOO

[@Taktaagic]

21:17 OLYMPIA MENTION, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[@DanialTarki]

I can still hear the theme in C#-Minor each time I read the game’s title.

[@dracobot2953]

11:34 I made that render for azrael on the right for CMC+

[@PhazerXP]

Hiii Dracobot! When will you come back into Mcleod Massacre and Friday Night Funkin?

[@dracobot2953]

@@PhazerXP wdym Mcleod Massacre?

[@PhazerXP]

@@dracobot2953 Guhh you forgot... Uh (did we even tell 'em??) The Azrael render is still cool!

[@dracobot2953]

@@PhazerXP this is the first time hearing about mcleoud massacre unless it’s a fan game in production. my old account got deleted so i lost access to the server

[@migghd9626]

23:34 give them back to us already 😭

[@VanillaKunikida]

5:30 cameo appearance :D man i miss the MG forums...

[@ultradude25yt]

9:48 oh my god i get it

[@mbbro3205]

I don’t can you tell me please 🙏

[@ultradude25yt]

@mbbro3205 that's cleodbot

[@SlabsUdertabs]

9:08 mario and sonic at the winter olympic games music heard respect

[@bionicandrew1957]

22:04 my god Muah that dude was from literally so long ago man im old

[@TheXevent23]

FINALLY ANOTHER SSF2 VIDEO INSTEAD OF FRAYMAKERS

[@SuperDreampuffGamer]

Ok, so I watched this on my Nintendo Switch and I wanted to say a couple of things... 1) I think when Black Mage was unintentionally made, this caused a chain reaction that not only put the roster on a overhaul, but may have caused certain heroes to be kicked out. NES Mario, Sephiroth, Snake, Diddy Kong and that one fellow from Lloyd's franchise have DEFINITELY got kicked out. Zero must've also got cut due to Mega Man being the classic variant now. Olimar wouldn't make sense since the starting roster is complete. 2) There's a 50/50 chance that Rosalina could show up as a character after all. I had a thought that Waluigi might count as a Wario rep, since there's a chance that Wario has something to do with Waluigi's unlock criteria. With Waluigi excluded as a Mario rep, there's a possibility that Rosalina may have a shot, since she's very popular in this time period and has been unlockable in the past Nintendo games. 3) That one April fools video... It took me a minute to think about it...but what if(It's possible) that AI program is the true antagonist? Think about it for a minute. Who would have the power to control a object with eyes that wants revenge? What if the revenge is no longer on the developers, but it's on the actual FIGHTERS? That would make sense on why its face only shows up on the Waiting Arena stage in Halloween exclusively.

[@Cflower936]

What if cleodbot is just waiting to give us a spooooooky surprise

[@SuperDreampuffGamer]

@Cflower936 If so, I wonder what that could be?

[@Cflower936]

@@SuperDreampuffGamer It probably has something to do with that unlisted video that bowler mentions in this video, considering that C L E O D B O T canonically has access to sandbag as a vessel and two master hands (from a certain secret in the game's single player content) So maybe the unlisted video is not from the developers, but canonically it was uploaded to their channel by C L E O D B O T (after all, he (?) can take full control of the developers' accounts) as a warning to us players that he has gained immense power while in the "Final Destination" (it is a trope after all that characters in media with immense power are capable of breaking the fourth wall, which C L E O D B O T is doing twice in the unlisted video and has done it a third time by seizing control of the developer accounts), waiting to show us just how scary he (?) can be. (By the way, the question marks are there because I have no clue what pronouns should be used for C L E O D B O T)

[@SuperDreampuffGamer]

@@Cflower936 That's why I'm saying that CLEODBOT may have something to do with something. If "it" has the power to torment the developers, wouldn't it have the power to torment the fighters through some kind of mode?

[@Cflower936]

@@SuperDreampuffGamer In a way, the secret event I mentioned earlier (not naming it since some new player may accidentally read this and end up spoiling their fun because of me) involves that too, even having a cameo from C L E O D B O T itself essentially showing us "fun" (I personally would indeed describe what happens as a very annoying nightmare if taken from the fighters' perspective)

[@cristalesbrand]

Would it be cool to have cubots as a playable fighter in the actuall game

[@TruxySSJ]

Now we need an iceberg of the SSF2 modding community and this will get to 1 hour fs also, i'm forward smashing umbra

[@LucarioShirona]

This brings so much memories

[@ALLCAPSFRFX]

just got whiplash from the notification alone

[@3Hunna-sosa]

U need to do a video on how this game hasn’t gotten an update in literal YEARS

[@welchrebooted4739]

20:05, still rooting for snake to join one day.

[@Wukeywukey]

I remember Muah! If my memory is correct, I think he used to go by My Body Is Ready at one point.

[@ShokoArc]

i remember a friend showed me ssf2 on a birthday EONS ago, my birthday is on december and it was the v0.6 imagine my surprise when a few weeks later the game updated to 0.7

[@NintendistaZueiro]

14:02 “Nice water”

[@holicstardroidrm146]

anime and transformations done dirty, but pichu made it in huh....

[@tristancampbell4941]

We're not about to skip over that cypher art, bro. Who made that? 😂

[@ElanTheHuman]

30:09 wth were u guys on while making the cover art?

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

30:09 OMG xD

[@Table-d4k]

👍 amaazing vid bowler (no one has finished the vid yet)

[@crimsontanooki7212]

A lot of stuff we haven't gotten yet Would you do a history of the old SSF2 Crews?

[@BonesMuse]

Just got back into ssf2 after YEARS and you’re telling me transformations aren’t in the game? 😭

[@omega8561]

I havnt heard a thing about SSF2 ever since flash games died (rip). Glad KZbin finally reminded me why i subscribed to you. Anyways, is it worth trying to track down how to play this game again, or is McLeod working on that new game of his?

[@BowlerSSF2]

The devs have been cooking a major update for a few years now, I’d honestly say waiting for that to release is the best option. Should be soon based on teasers

[@omega8561]

@BowlerSSF2 Thanks for the reply! Can't wait to play as Waluigi online again. I miss this game.

[@M4N14C4L]

It's about time

[@kolby125]

i've been playing this game since i came out the womb (trust)

[@CoolgamerJAW2]

19:22 Is that a Pigmask from Mother 3 ?

[@NameOTC]

ah man, a lot of this video takes me back... :^)

[@Dest-b1o]

i heard krillin say MUSTAAAAARD which is crazy

[@CoolgamerJAW2]

You forgot about Light from Death-Note

[@tufriendelsunk]

We had an iceberg before the update💀💀💀