My Proof of God Will Make EVERYONE Believe! | Yoel - NY | Atheist Experience 24.05

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[@scottplumer3668]

Theists always call God "perfect," yet in Exodus he says "I the Lord your God am a jealous God." Jealousy is a sin, so he can't be perfect.

[@vooveks]

Wait...Are you....Suggesting that the Bible contradicts itself constantly and is possibly just a load of unsubstantiated stories that anyone with half a brain would dismiss as such?

[@scottplumer3668]

@@vooveks Never!

[@vooveks]

Scott Plumer Just checking. 😁

[@tompaine4044]

No worries, they'll just define "perfect" as "the quality god has." It's similar to how Bill Craig defines "morality" as "actions god commands."

[@stevebinning977]

Jealousy is one of the most destructive emotions.

[@jackperry9458]

Caller: "I saw a salad paint a house." Matt: "You mean painter." Caller: "Ok, if you want to use the technical term. I say salad for the lay listener."

[@Clearbrite]

So true!😄

[@Phourc]

... damn, that's good.

[@KnakuanaRka]

May I toss that word salad for you?

[@katyungodly]

This is my favorite comment haha

[@wiwaxiasilver827]

Sure... obviously like no one at all uses the word “painter” to describe “someone who’s painting a house”. No, that’s technical jargon that’s only used by nerds and experts apparently. The default term is supposed to be “SALAD”, of all things 😂

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

Matt : "Can you prove God ?" Yoel : "No Problem!" _... there was in fact a problem!_

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

@studio732jrl2 yesss, that's the correct voice to read that sentence in. 🤣

[@adrianmargean3402]

Shocker

[@tperson8347]

We should use this as a drinking game, everytime he says "no problem" you take a shot. :)

[@pegasusactua2985]

Yoel: I can prove there's a god *Ron Howard narration* "He couldn't"

[@pavel9652]

Exactly! (he continues botched tirade)

[@VoiceOfIrrationality]

Premise 1: All men are mortal Premise 2: Socrates is a man Conclusion: All men are Socrates.

[@Ignirium]

Haha!

[@TyGuay]

Wouldn't the conclusion be Socrates is a mortal?

[@TyGuay]

@Andrew Fairfax Ah my bad, was reading comments during start of video so I was missing the context.

[@memitim171]

Name checks out.

[@ixtlguul4578]

VoiceOfIrrationality ..thanks, that was a belly-laugh! :D

[@mcarp555]

Yoel" "I'm going to show you how to build a car" Matt: "Don't you first need to build an engine?" Yoel: "What's an 'engine'?"

[@lilchickennugget8155]

mcarp555 lmmfao!!! Perfect!!

[@damienleigh9943]

Ahahahaha you just made my morning.

[@jaxxonthehealer6607]

Lolololololol oooo

[@yashuafly6342]

The heart is the humans engine.. food is the fuel.. and so on.. but you sir, are the tail pipe..🤣

[@yashuafly6342]

Damien Leigh actually god made your mourning.. give credit where credit is due.

[@JayMaverick]

I have undeniable proof of gravity, but first, let me talk about my pet dragon for 15 minutes.

[@AC-gb7do]

Funny how believers think “proof’ is ancient stories, personal experiences and their willful ignorance of history, science and reality.

[@nadimahmed8485]

A C Quran “Say: "It is He Who has created you (and made you grow), and made for you the faculties of hearing, seeing, feeling and understanding: little thanks it is ye give. 24. Say: "It is He Who has multiplied you through the earth, and to Him shall ye be gathered together."”

[@richiejohnson]

@@nadimahmed8485 That's what She said...

[@sundayschoolflunkie3979]

Proof is whatever I say it is, peasant! -God, probably

[@blackatheistmillionaire1636]

What does ac stand for? 🤔

[@dannyspitzer1267]

Always. And logical fallacies.

[@briannyob7799]

This god could solve this problem by simply showing up.

[@briannyob7799]

@Barthelemy my eyes are open. When one person has a delusion we call that insanity. When many people share the same delusion, we call that a religion. Any other things in your life talk to you in this way?

[@wickedcabinboy]

@Barthelemy - and yet this god of yours fails to convince us of his existence. What a shocker.

[@briancottam2309]

Amen Bro.

[@megamus3]

He will once he tracks down the trouble making fairy Gabriel and shuts him up.

[@garystevenson5560]

Satan asked me if God would go to Hell as a human" God made me answer: I did. ***The past is a figment of imagination for neither does the past or the future exist. That is why there is no life before or after death, there is only an eternal life. - The Messiah.

[@brucebaker810]

Caller: "I have evidence for God" Later: [ crickets ]

[@ObscureHedgehog]

LMAO

[@brucebaker810]

Argument from listen to the crickets.

[@xposed1333]

Do you believe in the big bang theory or evolution?

[@brucebaker810]

@@xposed1333 Tha's a false dichotomy.

[@brucebaker810]

@@xposed1333 I accept both. Provisionally. The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection (EBNS) are the current best models in their respective VERY DIFFERENT fields of science. I have high degree of confidence in science's ability to science. Demonstration: the device you are looking at right now.

[@CausalityLoop]

Spoiler alert: his proof of God doesn't actually make everyone believe

[@lauralahaye7699]

Dude, come on! You ruined it for me!

[@vooveks]

Every time I think “yes, this could be the one!”

[@sherribh6106]

A coworker friend of mine knows about this radio show She's an atheist She listened to it one time and was not impressed. She tells me the people behind that table don't know what the f they are talking about. I said to her, you're an atheist and you are telling me those people on that radio show don't know what they're talking about??? Atheists like everyone else knows God exists. She said, I'm an atheist, and I know God exists, I just don't care.

[@CausalityLoop]

@@sherribh6106 I'd say your friend uses a really weird definition of atheist that hardly anyone else uses, not even theists. I'd love to hear her reasoning; I bet it's just as weird. And don't worry, the people on this show would say she doesn't know what she's talking about either.

[@sherribh6106]

@@CausalityLoop well between her and them, one of them is wrong.

[@qwadratix]

'I don't agree with a word you just said'. 'Yes, exactly.' And he carries on without a pause.

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

Very common with those Fairy tale tellers ................

[@stankochman2558]

That is a weird habit, the presups have a similar vocal affect as well.

[@richiejohnson]

It's a gift of the spirit!

[@mr.nobody9697]

Yoel: I have the ultimate proof god exists and it will make you all believe. Everyone: ok go ahead Yoel: Its too complicated for you to understand. I dont understand what premise means.

[@yuuseir3391]

Yeah, like, in the universe you know ... there's many things we don't understand. So, god exists.

[@kingrichardiii6280]

Yoel " completely new proof for God." Matt: "go ahead" Yoel: " let's talk about the big bang." Me: " please, please, please! Don't bring up the cosmological argument"

[@nraexox2599]

I thought he was going to bring up the God of the gaps 🙈

[@Sprite_525]

Yoel: “that’s where you’re wrong Matt, how can I bring up an argument I’ve never heard the name of!”

[@DarthSinistris]

And then he did

[@rrock2025]

Me: ok

[@IYPITWL]

The "new to me" argument.

[@mikkoviinikka1148]

Love a guy who, when faced with a rebuttal to his stupid argument, says "exactly!" and continues to read his script without a pause.

[@mitchellconner6928]

Yes, exactly, you're right.

[@heinshaaine8153]

@@mitchellconner6928 Exactly .... anyhow...

[@timp7796]

"no problem"

[@daistoke1314]

I was taught in debate you present an argument, hear the refutation and then respond to it. The approach callers use seems to be present half(at best) an argument, listen to the rebuttal, ignore it, repeat the semi argument adding on further unsupported statements. Aristotle would be jealous.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

@Mikko Viinikka It shows that he's not listening, and he's just waiting for them to stop talking so he can go on to the next item in the script.

[@squirrelflight]

"This isn't an argument" "Yes it is" "It's just contradiction!" "No it isn't" "You just contradicted me" "No I didn't"

[@nosuchthing8]

Yeah the arguement clinic

[@mathgod]

I paid for an argument!

[@jimperry4108]

@Bloviator Magnus stupid git...

[@markwhitmore9326]

Did that cost you £5.

[@euripidiesupman9755]

@@mathgod No you didn't.

[@markburch6253]

No scientist thinks something came from nothing. Something from nothing is religious dogma.

[@markburch6253]

@@memitim171 erm, no ...they don't. Virtual particles still require energy and momentum. Energy is NOT nothing. Momentum is NOT nothing. Mass/energy, whether it's pure energy or pure mass is still mass/energy.

[@memitim171]

@@markburch6253 Well yeah but that doesn't seem to stop them titling articles and documentaries about them "Something from nothing" If you count the energy they "borrow" then the point is moot anyway since there's no such thing as "nothing" in that respect.

[@MamaSymphonia]

@@memitim171 Sorry, but no peer-reviewed paper describes virtual particles as coming "from nothing." That phrase appears in documentaries and news articles because journalists and documentary writers sensationalize the topic to make it more interesting. Saying "from nothing" is a nonsense claim; we have no reason to believe that "nothing" ever existed.

[@Nathan-tg4gu]

Interesting how you know the beliefs of every scientist. It seems to me that you are placing scientists on a pedestal, and in order to maintain that placement, you refuse to consider the possibility that any scientist accepts a position you personally deem ridiculous.

[@markburch6253]

@@Nathan-tg4gu I didn't use the word "beliefs". Your comment is a textbook strawman argument.

[@TomH2681]

Me before clicking Play: this is going to be stupid, isn't it?

[@remandstimpy]

To paraphrase Einstein. Not just stupider than we imagine, but stupider than we CAN imagine.

[@alansimmons9621]

I've reached 10:49 and yes it's stupid.

[@sofabuddha]

Comment of the week, right here.

[@stephengibson4823]

@@alansimmons9621 Wow you lasted that long?!!!!

[@rickydarcilover5581]

stephen Gibson . I’m going to pretend to be a clever Dick, and to suggest what this guy was up to. He was using all his nonsensical words and phrases in the way a dog tries to round up the sheep. He thought he had to use those confusion tactics, knowing that if he got straight to the point about his god theory that Matt would eat him alive.

[@dimitriostheodorides1580]

The most frustrating thing about all these videos is that literally nobody not one person can just answer questions simply

[@funkrobot9762]

That’s because in order to accept religion as truth, you have to abandon logical thinking.

[@jagoodwin5183]

Or they get interrupted by people with preconceived ideas. For example, that Aristotle et al studied how to make arguments and came up with the best way, and therefore that is the way we all must use, including using the terms syllogism and premise. I believe I heard Yoel say that he is very familiar with math and science and likes or loves them. Hard to believe that he does not believe in evidence and proof.

[@mrsatire9475]

@@jagoodwin5183 "I can prove G-d exists" "Great, go ahead" "Wait, first I want to talk about something else"

[@prettysure3085]

-The problem is no one person in this whole wide world can understand what the hell yoel is talking about. -Yoel said "no problem" a hundred times. Conclusion: houston we have a problem.

[@kbbeats3099]

More like, "Austin" we have a problem. Right? 😅.........srry

[@maidros85]

I sh!t you not, I clicked on a random point in this video's timeline, and the first thing I heard was his "no problem"

[@richiejohnson]

Callers must feel if they say, "Exactly," that is permission to roll on ahead. Yoel can't listen.

[@Innocent_Villain]

What is it with these "exactly" people, do they have an instruction set that calls for them to say "exactly" when it doesn't go there as some kind of tactic? "OK, so when you rape a swan..." "Wait, I don't rape swans, why would you think I rape swans?" "Exactly, so when you rape a swan..." 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

[@LadyBeritanavatarius]

it would have helped if they didn't keep cutting him off complaining he didn't structure things the way they like. Seriously, they do that shit WAY too much, nitpicking over this and that... not formulating thoughts and words the right way, yada yada.... if this is how they think everyone should think.... my gods, man! Basically if you can't formulate your words the way they think you should they get bitchy about it. They were right about the first premise defeating everything because it depends on assumption it's true which defeats the purpose of trying to prove it true, but other than that it was getting in the way of an actual discourse, he could barely get anything in edgewise with all the bitching cutting him off. He wasn't attacking them and yet they STILL snapped at and nipped at him.

[@earendilthemariner5546]

This whole video: Yoel: i can prove god. Matt: well, we're waiting!

[@AM-nh6oz]

😂🤣🤭😱😭

[@ApocryphalDude]

Give him a Kermit voice and he could pass an a Canadian psychologist turned apologist.

[@ApocryphalDude]

@Dashing Dave That'd be great!

[@aaronjohnson9432]

Matt also keeps cutting him off whenever he goes for his point just like he told him present your argument and soon as he starts matt hangs up DEMON

[@Garfieldlysanya]

@@aaronjohnson9432 lmao you're joking right? Homeboy had like 25 min to present his proof and kept demonstrating he has no idea how to form a structural argument or present a premise

[@christophergranning8954]

It kills me when theists try to come across as intellectuals

[@alanthomson1227]

Theist / intellectual hmmm classic oxymoron , with the emphasis on moron .

[@MovieMakingMan]

All theists are Aintellectual.

[@buttkid3548]

They like to string together big, smart sounding words into a nice tossed salad.

[@Amsidkdnsls]

Right 😂

[@ronthered138]

I agree. The "rational" sounding ones always keep their cool right up until the moment that they start yelling, "Let me finish!" This is maximum fun time for me!

[@dynamicdei]

"Change the show from Atheist Experience to Theist Experience." I laughed so unnaturally loud at that statement.

[@elmolewis9123]

This guy says a lot of words but they don't seem to be in any order.

[@lilchickennugget8155]

anyone home he makes a great salad..😂

[@cade377]

If I took a shot every time he said "No problem", I'd be in the hospital getting my stomach pumped.

[@marie-rosedaly4234]

wordsalad

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@@cade377 Move over to Quality Existing Spirit, LARSEN COGNAC ! ..................

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@dyuloose MouthDiarrhea ................

[@AngieBaby666]

I really appreciate Jenna's gentle yet firm approach to speaking with the callers. She really left the door open for Yoel to admit he didn't know how a logical argument was structured when she shared that she was just learning about the subject herself. Unfortunately even asking the same question over and over again, Yoel just couldn't bring himself to admit he didn't know how tp present logical arguments. I think this is a case of the Dunning-Kruger effect. It never ceases to amaze me that people call into the show, say they have watched a number of episodes yet don't seem to understand that they will be asked to back up their claims with proof and "The Bible tells me so" is no proof at all! After so many years we would hope that the two things would be top of mind when calling into the show. It's like many theists have blinders on and are only willing to see in the tunnel that the blinders present. I feel for the hosts who have to deal with such willful ignorance time after time. Back to Jenna....I want he to know how much I appreciate her compassion and clarity. Thanks.

[@Lordvoivod]

Matt: that doesn't make any sense. Theist : exactly!!!

[@brothercaleb]

😂

[@seasonedbeefs]

It's astonishing how quickly they unravel but still carry on with the lie

[@edgabrielocay3376]

I'm done!..😂😂😂

[@GRAHFXENO]

In summary, his argument is; God exists because God exists. Very good next

[@jonovens7974]

At least when told he cant use his proposition as his proof, at least his asked why that was wrong - probably the first one I've ever heard.

[@EricLDunn]

If that's all, I'll save the time and skip to another video.

[@GRAHFXENO]

​@Raymond Palmer What? Prove Satan Exists? I don't even believe he exists. Did you mean to tell me to prove that Satan doesn't exist?!? It's not my job to prove something doesn't exist

[@lilchickennugget8155]

GrahfMetal damn well im convinced!😂😂😂

[@VoiceOfIrrationality]

Circular reasoning is valid because circular reasoning is valid.

[@sublimesunshine3229]

“Ok, no problem, no problem!” Spoiler Alert: It is, in fact, a problem.

[@rcblazer]

Yoel: My evidence will guarantee prove the existence of God! Matt: Okay, what's your evidence? Yoel: ...I don't know.

[@josephmother2659]

More like “what is evidence?” Yoel: I don’t know, but you’re right and im right at the same time

[@rcblazer]

@Zaenxxxhh How about "NO!" to all of what you just said?

[@vtvita]

One of the worst calls ever. Avoidance recommended.

[@DavidSmith-os4uv]

I just think of it as gawking at a really bad car wreck. I do this instead. Prepares me for my commute.

[@matthewjury4385]

vtvita but I’m a glutton for punishment

[@33melonpaws77]

Exactly!

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

Why not a Lovely Zyklon B shower ? ..............

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@Daniel Paulson Vielen dank, Tack så mycket, Kiitos paljon ..............

[@matszz]

"Do you have a written down syllogism with premises?" - "Yes" - "Ok, read it" - *rambles incoherently* "This isn't a syllogism" -"Whats a syllogism?" *facepalm*

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Premise 1. There is a perfect being Premise 2. Zorg is a perfect being Premise 3. Therefore Zorg exists. Too easy. 😋 Praise Zorg

[@Alienshade]

All heil Zoidberg!!!

[@anvb5a1]

Hail Zorg!

[@hakureikura9052]

HAIL!! .... no, seriously, it was raining hail last week here, for more than a few minutes or so...

[@guytheincognito4186]

Hail Zorgberg the 3/⅜ perfect being. 😉

[@nicadi2005]

@Crazy prayingmantis "Premise 3. Therefore Zorg exists." - Not a premise.

[@stevo2992]

I'm 8 minutes in and ready to stick a fork in my ear.

[@aubreyhuff46]

For me it was 3

[@elephant_888]

LOL same!!! 😂

[@elephant_888]

@Weird Files - let’s make this fun and define a “screwdriver” as “a multi-pronged type of cutlery used for picking up food & traditionally paired with a knife”, just so we can confuse everyone who speaks English as a first-language. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@stevo2992]

@Weird Files As it happened, I was eating while watching the episode, and was holding a fork. Had I been doing some DIY at the time a screwdriver may have indeed been the better option.

[@julieugo4407]

@@stevo2992 I am only just over 2 minutes in, I'm eating my dinner and I thought ...... stab myself in the throat with my fork or pause and read some comments here I am

[@brucebaker810]

One day, a sentient godling looked around and said "this is quite an interesting Void I'm in." "It fits me well. Mustve been MADE for me. Hmmm."

[@trumanpatriotsactivities6913]

People have no idea how to construct an argument. Yoel is a “people” Yoel has no idea how to construct an argument.

[@mateocortes4148]

Well educated people know how to make an argument Yoel does not know how to make an argument Yoel is not well educated.

[@richiejohnson]

@Mateo cortes. That is a valid syllogism. Did you mean that? EDIT. I see your 2nd syllogism, so you were definitely playing with the format, with great effect. I've learned what little I know about logic from Matt

[@The667tony]

Why don't you then?

[@tipsreviews7476]

Doesn't mean you have to treat him like shit.

[@seanbirch]

@@tipsreviews7476 It's hardly "like shit".

[@Azameanie]

Jenna is a great moderating force for Matt. She holds her own the way Tracy and Jen used to, but is soft enough to draw the callers out and expose themselves. Matt has gotten impatient, and swings the axe a lot sooner than he used to. They make an amazing “Good cop, Bad cop”.

[@torgeirmolaug196]

"no problem, I'll go direct to the definition, but first of all let me ..."

[@tracer740]

... LOL!!!

[@jonovens7974]

I have to disagree with Matt - he has lots of experience of 'nothing': It's what all his callers bring to the argument as 'evidence'

[@thepigproductivity]

Boot Hat ...which would make you an atheist

[@RobertoGaspar69]

Jon Ovens you Sir deserves a prize for the best comment of all time!

[@jakethewolfie119]

@Boot Hat :eyes:

[@jakethewolfie119]

@Boot Hat So you do believe in a god, even when Matt says there isn't enough evidence and that it irrational?

[@youtubecomments5951]

Boot Hat so why are you a theist

[@larryfulkerson4505]

this caller needs to quit drinking his bong water.

[@ivanivonovich9863]

And perhaps the water he has been getting from the toilet...

[@davidsmith7653]

"All men are mortal" "Socrates is a man" "So Socrates must be a perfect being who is the first cause and not dependant on anything else and no perfect being would have pineapple on pizza so he must prefer pepperoni." Perfect, no problem.

[@p.santos6644]

Yoel is very confused, that's the result of believing in fairytales

[@yashuafly6342]

Speaking of fairytales.. there’s a really cute ape I met in the jungle. How long before she turns human so we can have children and a family 🤣 moron.

[@donvito2682]

@@yashuafly6342 this video is about proveing whether or not God exists. It's got nothing to do with apes..get off the drugs, you idiot.

[@Illawong]

@@yashuafly6342 Your comment shows nothing but your own ignorance of science. Evolution is about small imperceptible changes between generations, between parent and child, not changes in an individual's lifetime.

[@yashuafly6342]

Illawong ooo thanks for the lesson on unprovable unreliable fairytales 👍🏿 billions of years and not one transitional creature or fossil or skeleton found.. sounds pretty solid to me considering we all spawned from one creature. Darwin himself admitted transitions must be found.. so truthfully my friend, you are the one ignorant to evolution. Evolution, is real in many scenarios, but transitioning lifeforms is PROVABLY NOT ONE.. silly atheist clinging to religious fairytales. You sir are a religious bigot.

[@donvito2682]

@@yashuafly6342 why is there so much resentment in your comments?..is it because of the talking snake?..maybe you should repent.

[@2BachShakur]

Basically 30 minutes of Yoel running in circles and imploding from his own logical fallacies.

[@tmikeb28]

I had a similar conversation with someone about faith. I tried repeatedly to get them to define how they used faith but they didn't understand and kept insisting everyone has their own definition. No matter how hard I tried to get them to understand that without definitions we couldn't actually discuss anything they couldn't understand. In the end they accused me of trying to force my definition on them and then accused me of attacking them for being Christian. Some people's minds are just set to read-only.

[@zendavesta1027]

I know right?! I had a convo with witness Jehovah girl, we JUST had a discussion up until I asked to describe “faith” and she got all aggressive and annoying with “that’s your opinion. I believe and that’s suffice to me” and yet she did admit that she didn’t know why she believed, she just complied

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Why does god remain hidden and unknowable if he wants to have a relationship? And what is stopping him from having whatever he wants? The god game is nonsense and everyone knows it.

[@wunnell]

This is one of the primary issues I have with Christianity. They claim that their god is all-loving and wants a relationship with me, but will not reveal itself to me. That description is completely incoherent to me so I cannot possibly believe that such a god exists. I'm not all-loving and if I wanted to have a relationship with someone then I would definitely let them know that I existed. For a being that is supposedly infinitely more loving than I am to not do such a simple thing is beyond my comprehension. If such a god exists then, when Christians talk about love, they are not talking about anything that I understand to be love. Basically, if their god does exist and it created me then it made me unable to believe in it and that precludes it from being perfect, thus it does not exist. If there is a god, it is definitely not the one that Christians describe.

[@MehYam2112]

It’s just the thing innit. The religious stories/anecdotes/claims are all conspicuously twisted around not having to show any actual evidence.

[@mr.d.8121]

@@wunnell ..Not just Christianity, all religions. All.

[@thenowchurch6419]

Your premise that God is hidden and unknowable is not exactly true. The confusion about God comes from the phenomenon of Conditional Monism. There is a Most High God outside of corporeal existence, but we are all part of that God and so we are God exploring Itself. Nothing stops Him from having what He wants but the free choices of His microcosms (us) and the stages of process. The closed , exclusive, Pre-determining God of organized religion is nonsense and does not exist.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@thenowchurch6419 How do you know this "most high god" exists?

[@agent_277]

Theists: "Evolution is false because something can't come from nothing." Atheists: "That's not what evolution is about. But where did your God came from?" Theist: "He was always there. He created everything." Atheist: "So in the beginning there was nothing, except God... And God made everything out of nothing." Theist: "Exactly!"

[@Lupinemancer87]

Well you gotta admit, these theists are getting more creative. Too bad they have yet to present any evidence.

[@badgerbush3556]

The argument is so weak now that we have gotten to the point where people are smuggling in all kinds of things in words. Being=to not exist Being=to exist Being=to exist out side the physical Being=to exist in the physical Being=existence objectively real An honest conversation is impossible with individuals that have become so desperate to cling on there beliefs, that even the words they utter have to be twisted beyond all recognition.

[@EdwardHowton]

I didn't realize repeatedly bashing your face against a keyboard and then rolling around on top of it counted as 'creativity'.

[@badgerbush3556]

EdwardHowton I'm going to give it a shot. To be or not to hgffjkvdfSghjvgcbchh gbfvtgd13579556csshijfjgbjbhchddhvrhghk???;55366,,,?fssthkbbhcbhjfhfvvgghvhvfvgvhbgbdggb. Gfgxx:)&!,!??,:,?;€!?);,gffvcfhjvgh4;?? The results are disappointing

[@EdwardHowton]

@Badger bush You had such a good start there that I suspect you began the experiment after the trial actually started. It's suspicious. I would've expected something more along the lines of "It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times" ...why do I have all these fucking Simpsons references stuck in my head?

[@laurieharper1526]

That's why the have to be creative. They have nothing else.

[@Onganana]

When you hear a theist boast about proof, almost always they haven’t looked in the dictionary what it means.

[@alansimmons9621]

I agree. What they have is a conscious bias and the lethal combination of a large dose of cognitive dissonance

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I watched a debate once between a young earther and a teacher, and the YE spent the entire time making claims and citing bible stories while the teacher cited evidence. At the end, the young earther was exasperated, claiming that he'd been giving evidence for two hours. It then occurred to me that they don't know the difference between a claim and the evidence used to support it.

[@carlphillips3876]

“No argument starts with basically, when you look at the universe.”. lol!!

[@danieldonaldson8634]

"Basically, when you look at the universe, you see motion and clustering of masses not predicted by the standard models in physics. This motion could be explained by the existence of significant mass in unobservable form, which we could call Dark Matter. Therefore, physicists should try to validate the presence of Dark Matter, to improve the standard model. " So, no. Dillahunty is just an aggressive, overbearing asshole who slips his unconsidered ideas in on a platter made of rage, for the entertainment of lazy sycophantic assholes who use him to do their "thinking". Actual rationalist atheists understand that disciplined thinking, and not the Will to Power advances our arguments, and produces a better, more rational society.

[@carlphillips3876]

@@danieldonaldson8634 calm down. Some atheists don’t see every statement as an opportunity to deconstruct and refute in an effort to display their highly superior intellect and observational skills. I just thought his statement was funny. Relax.

[@danieldonaldson8634]

@@carlphillips3876 Yes, Carl, you did. But I was addressing the statement - there's a reason you were not mentioned in my reply. So calm down. And really, if you can't do that, turn off the patronizing tone. What you interpret, apparently, as an attempt at parading my intellect, is a bog-standard formulation of arguments in physics that have been around for 20 years and more. You might find them interesting, given that Dillahunty was attempting to make arguments based on the same body of knowledge in the call.

[@carlphillips3876]

@@danieldonaldson8634 See..superior intellect. Looks like you were able to deconstruct my statement as well, and expose my deepest darkest insecurities. You win. lol

[@creativebeetle]

@@carlphillips3876 Dude, this kind of reply thread is part of why I stopped caring as much about Atheism as a part of my identity. Wouldn't want to become an argument machine and make replies like his without prompt. Take care!

[@KinKnives]

I can't understand anything this fool is trying to say.

[@trinsit]

This was absolutely painful. Cheese grater to the head worthy.

[@MegaBadgeman]

Rubbing a balloon on your sweater or running your hand along a blackboard. Take your pick.

[@nosuchthing8]

Odd you should say that. See the movie tenet. At one point the protagonist actually uses a cheese grater on someone's head.

[@DiamondSan7]

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullcrap"

[@pastpresent2223]

Diamond San ..if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, Baffle them with bullcrap You mean to tell me, baffling them with bullcrap will work?? Really?¿

[@blackhat4206]

@@pastpresent2223 It wouldn’t be the first time...

[@pastpresent2223]

@@blackhat4206 @BlackHat420....mmmh🤨🤨

[@blackhat4206]

@@pastpresent2223 When you don't have all the facts or have a brilliant explanation, you can often convince people or win an argument by using bullshit. That is why the tactics of con men like the Gish Gallop tend to work on multitudes of people. Those people often don’t understand the structure of a logical argument in the first place, or have any understanding of logical fallacies for that matter.

[@pastpresent2223]

@@blackhat4206 @BlackHat 420. I see......✓

[@InteGritti]

I am spectacularly impressed with your willingness to listen year after year to the same arguments. As a recent de-converted theist, and someone who’s been binge watching your videos I just wish to commend you. I hope one day to enjoy adding my voice to this cause. Thank you very much!!!! All of you who contribute to this show.

[@supreme5580]

Welcome to the club stranger, I respect you and agree with you, this show helped me distil my last doses of indoctrination and falsehoods that have been fed to me all my life. Freethinkers are underappreciated for thinking harder than perhaps the rest of the world...

[@splabbity]

He's trying desperately not to be wrong, while refusing to understand.

[@sherribh6106]

I'm wrong about everything Just ask me I'll tell you I'm wrong about ev..ry.....thing

[@oscargr_]

"Exactly.. " LoL

[@luez2]

His style of speaking like a smartass with that tone and accent can drive me i n s a n e

[@chuckm1961]

His accent was Jewish, his name is Jewish. He was polite and deferential at all times. What the fuck are you talking about?

[@MrLtia1234]

@@chuckm1961 Massive stretch to pretend he didn’t have a pretentious tone at the start. Backed up by the pretentious nonsense of the content of the call!

[@chuckm1961]

@@MrLtia1234 You do realize that “pretentious” is somewhat in the eye of the beholder? Note that I said “somewhat”, not completely. That said, please provide an exact quote that demonstrates pretentiousness.

[@MrLtia1234]

@@chuckm1961 If someone is literally using a word they don't know the meaning of and is *completely* unprepared to try and explain what they thought they meant or to discuss it at all. They were pretending! I read all teh sciences! So, they started with "this will make everyone believe" and then, your pretentious quote: "My proof is a syllogism" ... a word he doesn't know... leading to... nothing to say at all and it was all a vacuous waste of time!

[@chuckm1961]

@@MrLtia1234 You apparently don't know what the word "pretentious" means. Please provide proof that the caller is not simply stupid and misguided. Please distinguish your evidence from a "proof" that he is "pretentious".

[@Somali1971]

"I'm explaining it in layman terms" well done comrade lol

[@brucebaker810]

"And by layman, I mean Swedish sanitation engineer, if that's okay."

[@Somali1971]

@@brucebaker810 As long as it annoys morons like religious nutters it's doing job.

[@nicholaus3248]

It sounds like he is trying to present the ontological proof for god's existence, which is honestly a series of convoluted leaps in logic even when it's presented clearly.

[@AstroComposerKarE]

This was like the Abbott and Costello Who’s on First skit but in slow motion.

[@TMPreRaff]

R E A L L Y slow motion.

[@dieSpinnt]

For me it was more like from our old friend Pierre de Fermat: "I have a proof of this theorem, but there is not enough space in this margin" ... with the distinction that his claim turned out to be true;)

[@oldbatwit5102]

It's more like the Monty Python Complaints sketch. (No it's not.) (Yes it is.)

[@FerrariKing]

Funny how these people think they have proof and it always turns out to be nonsense.

[@jimwade2045]

Nonsense proves god ..right

[@n0w3lly90]

I'm still struggling to understand, after that, how one can extract the idea of a "perfect being" from the Bible, or any other holy book I have read, frankly. They must have EXCEPTIONALLY low standards for perfection!

[@n0w3lly90]

@TickerTaallick "extract the idea"... In other words, make up the perception that...! And all the more reason, therefore, to set aside the Bible frankly! Morality in the Bible comprises of mainly sycophantism

[@Zaprozhan]

@@n0w3lly90 I'd add "Might is Right!"

[@n0w3lly90]

@@Zaprozhan yep, especially as we are expected to "turn the other cheek" from all the atrocities ordered by or carried out by God!

[@qwadratix]

It's not biblical. This stuff comes from the Quran.

[@SilverSixpence888]

@@qwadratix Oh so christians don't claim that their god is perfect? I must have been mis-hearing all these years.

[@anthonybariek997]

I love the "something can’t be created out of nothing” argument by theists. If everything requires a creator, who created the creator? If the creator had a creator, he’s not an all powerful creator as there is a being higher being than him. If the creator has no creator, then that’s proof that something can be created out of nothing, which disproves the original argument

[@hockeylvr42]

The irony is my favorite part. Not only is it more supportive of the Big Bang theory than creationism, but the entire principal of creation is that god created something from nothing. They’re just defeating their own argument

[@daistoke1314]

If you get into deep theology there is some (not a lot) support for the argument that something from nothing can be called a support for a creator. It is a difficult complicated idea that (stupidly simplified) says basically if God created time and the physical universe then the laws of physics don't apply to God. I'm not arguing it but there is potential for its use. Sadly it requires far more study and intelligence than most believers are capable of. (For me it's like advanced physics, I'm sure some people can explain it but I will probably never understand it)

[@hockeylvr42]

@@daistoke1314 I don’t think you gotta go that deep tbh. The crux of the argument is “god exists outside of space and time”, and nothing that exists within the universe exists outside space or time. So if someone wants to define god as such, the only logical conclusion that can be derived is that god does not exist within this universe. It’s a self defeating argument that really doesn’t require that much thinking to figure out

[@daistoke1314]

@@hockeylvr42 this is why I avoid discussion of it lol. Pour a drink and take a headache tablet. The universe we know and live in is a creation of God's. It is by Gods measure a tiny part of his reality. (Take a sip). We cannot know or understand that greater reality, there may be more than one God in that universe. Perhaps we are the equivalent of a snow globe. It gets beyond my idea of common sense. Arguments like this tend to make me think if God is that hard i will just eat drink and be merry, and try to be kind.

[@hockeylvr42]

@@daistoke1314 it’s beyond our ability, within this universe, to truly figure out what lies beyond our universe. We can guess and hypothesize and argue ad nauseam and it’ll never get us any closer to the truth. It’s headache inducing, mostly because the only thing we know it can’t be is nothing. There has to be something, but what it is? That’s anyones guess

[@Sprite_525]

0:29 that’s the Eastern-European troll who calls every few months. He always starts by saying his proof is SO PERFECT, you can hear him laughing in the beginning, and goes on saying that she show will have to change its name once he’s done, etc etc.

[@heisenberg6272]

20 minutes in and I'm still waiting for his proof.

[@locodez]

I appreciate Matt’s patience. Five minutes in and I’m done.

[@immortaltoaistisascamdonot4938]

Me too

[@JeffBedrick]

I was thinking just the opposite. The caller was being very patient and respectful in trying to make his point. Even though it seemed unlikely that he was going to make any sense, we'll never know because Matt is a bully who never gives anyone a chance. Why not let him state his case the way he wants instead of wasting 30 minutes berating him over pedantic details, and never letting him get to the point? Seems cowardly to me.

[@23phoenixash]

@@JeffBedrick Yeah, I actually have little patience with theists and I still thought Matt was pretty harsh. The guy clearly said that English wasn't his first language and that he didn't know the word "premise", would've been interesting to have him go through his whole thing and then have Matt criticize it.

[@rubend9391]

@@JeffBedrick That guy was annoying af though, he rambled about nothing and had no real point.

[@geosutube]

@@JeffBedrick Caller was being persistent, not patient.

[@wunnell]

Just noticed the F-bomb on the shelf behind Matt. Don't think that's been there before but I may have missed it.

[@ConcealedCourier]

Should be routinely lobbed in Saunderson's direction.. "EXCUSE ME!?"

[@Lady8D]

Ha! I'd noticed it & recognized it as an F-bomb yet somehow my brain didn't register it til you pointed it out lol

[@johnrojas9535]

😅

[@rumba7]

It has been there for a while. Look for it in some of the older videos.

[@philipgrosvenor7235]

🤣

[@logicreason2736]

“Creating something from nothing” is the theist position.

[@healthfadsfade]

It's always the same. "Here's my proof for god: god exists therefore it's undeniable that god exists because his essence is eternal"

[@goctagonrecovery3270]

I've been watching this show for a while now and for some reason every "proof of god" starts off like a sales pitch.

[@MehYam2112]

I’ll save you all 14 minutes. 14:35 - he’s trying to say because a perfect being exists, god exists. What a waste of bloody time

[@KnakuanaRka]

And he doesn’t know the first damn thing about making a structured, rigorous logical argument with well-defined terms.

[@ellarpc]

Took me 14 minutes to find this comment 😂. Thank you though

[@martinportales8626]

Lol I got 13:26 seconds in when I found this comment.

[@liberalinoklahoma1888]

People trying to 'talk' their gods into being for thousands of years , still no viable proof they exist .

[@MrSubsound90]

*my proof is a syllogism* "Cool, whats your first premise?" *what's a premise? I like to read science* For claiming to be long time fan and listener of the show he has learned absolutely nothing from it. It is sad he wasted so much time.

[@KnakuanaRka]

MrSubsound90 Gag me. This guy does not know the first damn thing about how to structure a logical argument. Although I think Matt could have tried harder to explain it to him before giving him an ultimatum.

[@halo4176]

YOLO: "Our default state is not being." Jenna "How do you know we have a default state." YOLO: "Right there is no default state."

[@ericmadeoftin8206]

Looks like poop, smells like poop, feels like poop, and even tastes like poop. Conclusion: It's poop. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower and brush my teeth.

[@virgilschmidt1599]

I want to thank AXP for putting this up, because it drove home, with a 25 minute demonstration, the importance of understanding how to build an argument so much that I immediately went to duck-duck-go to find stuff on this for me and to share with my mom.

[@Hypergangnam]

"I have new proof that will convince someone". Me: Okay "There is a god and he is perfect and the first cause. Me: Thats it?

[@Hypergangnam]

@Joe Martin Claims isnt Evidence!

[@Hypergangnam]

@Joe Martin More unsupported claims.

[@petermirtitsch1235]

What's a premise?

[@marveloussoftware1417]

"I figured it out on my own." That is the only thing he said that I believe.

[@NoahofWill]

Not even a minute in and I'm already wanting to kick this guy off the show. The *arrogance* of this guy is just...

[@martincooper8559]

*Congratulations! He officially won the award of being the king of cringe!*

[@DinizFreddie]

Now that's the kind of calling I like to see: when a guy gets to piss off so much he makes Matt say "oh my god". LOL This is a perfect example of when someone gets good education, reads a lot, maybe reflects a lot, and keeps dumb despite all efforts.

[@TheDarshKnight]

this is an example of why I think most people call just to waste time.

[@rudimunk7030]

I think they mostly are just bad at arguing and critical thinking.

[@cygnustsp]

So true. They think they might be on to something but can't think clearly. Very much reminds me of my crazy soon to be ex wife who gets all these crazy ideas with no reliance substantiation whatsoever

[@sundayschoolflunkie3979]

There's certainly no shortage of trolls and people with shitty arguments, but seeds can still be planted in people aiming to waste our time. I'd rather they didn't, but it may not be a total waste, is all I'm saying.

[@Mewse1203]

I first started watching these videos two years ago and I've come back to watch a few of them and this is one of them. So one thing I've noticed is that theist callers often try to Define their God into existence to the point where, just like this guy, they can't even get to the argument because there are problems with their definitions.

[@johaneriksandberg]

Good lord how many commercials can be fitted in a video? I think there was 25 breaks for adds when trying to watch this

[@bighead6763]

Listening is a skill. Does anyone else notice that these religious callers lack this skill? Among other things for sure but my god, "YOU DON"T LISTEN!"

[@destronia123]

It's called "willful ignorance". They're not interested in listentening to any argument or evidence that might burst their dogma bubble.

[@utavatar]

Yoel makes me firmly believe that he doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about.

[@Quiet_one_tonight]

And he thinks hes a genius

[@unturbe]

I only suffer through these to hear Matt after he hangs up on the caller, which is the best part.

[@jamesriggs6201]

True quite often!!!

[@ernestosuarez9807]

Yoel was suffering from the longest stroke in human history!

[@briangruenewald7536]

21 minutes… shit…

[@galaxiyamoon]

Matt your logic and Intelligence give me hope for the future. I am so glad I found these videos. Who here agrees with me?

[@trafficjon400]

because its the basic meaning of the show of no proof of a god. Matt never said never exist Again and just like Mosses never believed till god came to him according to this Book shows no proof because its a book with some proof of history with many detailed arguments for man can remember back history does not prove spirits by a book. So in any case whether we believe or not every one is innocent except the ones who are dishonnest are kinda untrustworthy to any god or living thing..

[@cocksucker3857]

Meh, he has become a LGBTQ idiot

[@trafficjon400]

@@Kometheus I don't have a Clue? Maybe I was referring to Cherry pickers who butter up the Scriptures to help their Dishonest Belief.

[@justterrible_9988]

If i had a nickle for every time somebody calls in saying the big bang theory claims something comes from nothing 😂

[@andreasplosky8516]

"My Proof of God Will Make EVERYONE Believe!" That will never, ever happen. All theistic reasoning is crap. Always has been, always will be.

[@NYCFenrir]

The Big Bang is not "something from nothing." This whole idea comes from ignorance about what the Big Bang theory is.

[@Cyba_IT]

Exactly. No one knows exactly what existed or occurred prior to the Planck Epoch so no claims can be made. Only assumptions and theories.

[@stroller3258]

It is funny how abiogenesis, which is a theory that fits observations and doesn’t require a supernatural agent, is rejected by religious people and yet the Big Bang theory, also a theory that fits with observation, is seized upon by religious people as a proof of a supernatural agent because they can fit it into the creation myth they have already accepted as true with no proof whatsoever.

[@Cyba_IT]

@@stroller3258 Can't lose that eternity in an undead halflife sucking up to the big man. In all other aspects of life I can guarantee that the vast majority of theists choose the natural, simpler and infinitely more rational conclusion but when it comes to religion that all goes out the window. Cognitive dissonance, wishful thinking and delusion are powerful things.

[@Cyba_IT]

@@loki6626 haha 😂 😂 😂

[@markburch6253]

We have the laws of physics and two facts. 1st fact: we DO KNOW something exists. 2nd fact: we DO NOT KNOW if there was ever nothing. Einstein's law of conservation of mass/energy. Mass/energy cannot be created or destroyed. If mass/energy cannot be created then it wasn't created. If mass/energy cannot be created, and it exists, it has always existed.

[@Miguel.temposhowtime]

I think, what this caller was trying to imply was, as humans, our state of existence is always changing (IE: evolving) and that’s our “default” state. He believes that god is perfect and has NO MORE changes to be applied so his default state is considered “perfect” or that god is a perfect being due to reaching a perfect potential??

[@jeffwells1255]

Whew, this caller is positively incoherent.

[@gritvonsharpenson5352]

I got a Big Mac yesterday and the sesame seeds were arranged in such a way that looked just like my deceased great grandmother Bula Jeanette. I knew right then she was talking to me from heaven. I looked in the bag and realized they forgot my fries. That's all the proof I need.

[@sophie-963]

LOL

[@rodhmu]

and then when someone disagrees, I saw EXACTLY..

[@gritvonsharpenson5352]

@@rodhmu don’t test me

[@KgrcProductions]

"All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Peanut butter's awesome." i want that on an all black t-shirt with impact font

[@UlshaRS]

Unless he's offering free hallucinogens I doubt he's going to have me seeing any gods. Also, *GET ON WITH IT!*

[@stuartschiffman2581]

Enter the Brigadier.

[@stevenvanhulle7242]

Thank god he has been studying this. I don't want to think what a gibberish this call would have been otherwise.

[@briangruenewald7536]

Thank who? 😂

[@johnshyer6287]

Where I have a problem is why people believe a god they can't see or prove can come from nothing, but they have an issue understand why the big bang is possible from nothing when we have solid scientific theories of how it's possible.

[@dungeon-wn4gw]

"Language barriers won't hurt you, it doesn't matter in dialogue about complex philosophical topics." Language barrier:

[@jskd2953]

"I made a sandwich!" "Great. What kind of bread did you use?" "What..? bread..?" "You don't what bread is? Well, what fillings are in it?" "Fillings?" "Do you even know what a sandwich is?" ....... "I made a sandwich!"

[@bailiwickbeetle]

Jenna tasted that cricket, I mean peanut butter all day. LOL

[@PageofLegend]

Wow, Matt has become so powerful, he doesn't even have to push a button to put someone on hold, he can do it with a swipe of his hand in the air!

[@ornerybeefalo8387]

Ngl Matt may be God.

[@leonardpattison2816]

Strangest English I've ever misunderstood

[@ihateexcessivelylongandpoi4490]

It was English?

[@friedegg3732]

@@ihateexcessivelylongandpoi4490 yesnt

[@michaelserrurier9392]

LMFAO.