There's Some Kind of God, and Matt Should Stop Cursing! | A. Radical - ? | Atheist Experience 23.53

The Atheist Experience 23.53 for December 22, 2019 with Matt Dillahunty & Dragnauct Sylvas.
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[@JayMaverick]

"You're helping me fail." Legendary. This is why most theists refuse to listen - they know they will fail. Unfortunately this guy was too honest to listen and consider.

[@brucebaker810]

It was a Frippian slide. Er, I mean a Freudean slip. Banter, bicker, brouhaha...

[@Heathen.Deity.]

This is also why there has rarely been a theist call in to evidence/prove their god(s) and not dodge and divert from basic questions.

[@brucebaker810]

"In order for us to 'have an argument', I _must_ take the contrary position."

[@ColonelEmpire]

Christians do not refuse to listen... It is the fool --->atheist, that refuses to listen. You kooks get debunked all the time and refuse to accept the science that debunked your religion of evolutionism. Try science instead of evolutionism!

[@johnsperry9494]

@@brucebaker810 I have a Jungian bustierre.

[@MrSubsound90]

Theology scholar: "My evidence is a syllogism" *Doesn't know what a syllogism is*

[@Robbie32]

If he condensed his points into a coherent argument, it would fall apart faster than you can say circular reasoning.

[@Robbie32]

@@nunyastinkinbusiness A syllogism is an argument that has 2 premises and a conclusion. For instance: Premise 1: All humans are mammals. Premise 2: I am a human. Conclusion: Therefore, I am a mammal.

[@kevincrady2831]

He can barely pronounce syl--syl--syllogism. smh

[@firebreathingmoonbeam3961]

@@kevincrady2831 to be fair he might have just said nervous

[@Robbie32]

@@firebreathingmoonbeam3961 'been' nervous

[@Thornspyre81]

Over the years of watching this show, my favorite callers are the ones who tell Matt not to curse lol

[@starfishsystems]

I know eh? It's so fucked up.

[@garyskinner2422]

@@starfishsystems Hey watch that cursing sir😂

[@ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113]

Knock knock: "Handbag" You said a "Purse" Word.

[@starlaminde8436]

I’m the same as Matt when a theist tells me to not curse I curse even more just because it pisses me off

[@HarryShagnasty-sc9zd]

Yup, like the one when the woman said the banana fits un your hand and he said it fits in your butt too. That one was epic.

[@noodlenoggin5854]

This guy is so rude. He says ok, not because he agrees with what you said but to get the hosts to shut up so he can continue. Says ok to correction and objections, but then skips on as though he hadn't. Really dishonest way to communicate.

[@absquereligione5409]

NoodleNoggin It’s called apologetics. The whole purpose is to distract you from the fact that there is zero evidence for their position/claim.

[@paragonofvirtue270]

NoodleNoggin : no one is more dishonest than an atheist ,check the figures .

[@absquereligione5409]

Paragon Of virtue Figures? You have to show these figures when making these kind of claims. Or are you just lying?

[@paragonofvirtue270]

Chris Massey : my place is where I choose to be ,I’m here to put everyone in his place that includes you if you don’t keep your nose where it belongs .

[@paragonofvirtue270]

Absque Religione : I just hate atheists .

[@danielbartholomew4037]

"Sir, I'm trying to make an illogical argument and you're interrupting me by pointing out the flaws in my argument. Please stop interrupting me so my illogical argument can sound logical."

[@darkstar4494]

Daniel Bartholomew to be fair, matt was being a dick about it.

[@darkstar4494]

Daniel Bartholomew to be fair, matt was being a dick about it.

[@kohnfutner9637]

Doesn't sound illogical to me, sounds plausible. However to say there's a god entity behind it is probably a rookie concept. The universe is conscientious of itself, so the universe is "intelligent" of itself.

[@danielbartholomew4037]

@@darkstar4494 Yeah, he kind of was

[@darkstar4494]

Kohn Futner you probably mean the universe is conscious of itself. If you really meant conscientious that’s slightly different but essentially the same baseless assertion. What makes you think the universe is conscientious about anything?

[@Kia044]

I liked how Dragnauct made divine intervention sound like an invasion of Lovecraftian horrors. More people should do that.

[@nosuchthing8]

It's because he has the flying spaghetti monster on the desk

[@plowenson]

I usually choose the Dragnaught class when playing Age of Wonders 5 😛 Love those siege weapons 😂

[@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255]

Contraception is bad for a woman's health as it's unnatural plus it's a grave sin as Abortion is a grave sin so evil, we should be a culture of Life. Research online Scientifically Proven as Our Lord Jesus blood type discovered in the Holy Eucharist as part of the Catholic Faith it's so amazing plus many more great Miracles in the Catholic Faith. May the Good Lord direct all onto the right path Amen Our Lady Queen of Heaven and Earth Pray For Us Amen God Bless Take Care All 😌👏🕊☘

[@Julian0101]

@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 Excellent example of how christianity doesnt makes sense at all.

[@khill8645]

@@allpraisetogodmylordandsav5255 One must be very careful when the natural is equated with the moral. Are clothes unnatural, too? What about riding around in cars, certainly that isn't natural, either...does that make it immoral? Meanwhile, arsenic and cyanide are perfectly natural - does that mean that it's good for us? It's literally the Naturalistic Fallacy. You're going to have to do better than 'unnatural' to convince anyone that something is harmful.

[@UberTheRandom]

It really seems that many of these callers NEVER watch any other episodes, where most of their questions could be answered.

[@AnonyMous-bv3ge]

They don't care.. why should they have to do any research when all the research they have is preached to them and shoved down their throats to be regurgitated back because atheist don't believe a God exist or don't have enough evidence to justify the belief... Most theist are parrots with no critical thinking skills.. they fully believe what is written down that what you say that refutes their claim means nothing..

[@Horace_Dragon]

They're too busy in church!

[@dx1450]

Then they'd also realize that their arguments for God's existence would have already been refuted.

[@revanche1431]

I think it's because callers like this aren't calling in to get a question answered. It's like Jeopardy, in a way. He's already got all the answers, but only if you ask the question in a very specific way. And accept the answer unconditionally.

[@dx1450]

@@revanche1431 Yeah, I think that most callers already "know" the answer but they really just want to call in to the show to preach.

[@foilhattiest1]

So many of these people calling in sound like it literally hurts them to think. I suppose that's why they do so little of it.

[@DonGambino30]

It doesn't hurt them but they've been told that thinking freely and asking questions is evil

[@MrKit9]

@@Trosper222 He should try that ejaculation prolong spray.

[@ColonelEmpire]

Yes, evolutionists are known for that. Having their professor tell them what and how to think is easy.

[@SteveJ777]

@@ColonelEmpire Lol what a projection. What exactly do you think the pastor does in Church?

[@wilfredbateman6141]

@@Trosper222 To a cinema near you?

[@serpenthydra]

They ALL do this don't they...? - I've lost this argument, let's abandon that one and go onto another train of thought. Everytime!

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Yup. So many opt, either straight away or after the what the thought was a gotcha falls flat, to go for the ‘throw enough crap’ approach. They’re coming from every direction imaginable, but at the end of the day, it’s all just crap.

[@AlohaMichaelDaly]

Why didn’t he just say: “Look at the trees” like most every theist does.

[@sougata7]

Ah yes. The Argument from Foliage. The classic theist gambit.

[@kernowarty]

Consider the lillies

[@sapago4166]

Ponder the peonies.

[@theaviationist.5719]

Look at the Bee and the Birds.. lol

[@wilfredbateman6141]

More like they talk to god through the trees.

[@Berbs73]

“I am the judge and jury of what I find ridiculous”. Matt can dunk...

[@AZOffRoadster]

I'll be the judge of that.

[@albertinabooi9100]

Those stupid idiot atheists are only big ego's. After dead they will find out! Death does not exist, our soul goes on in the next dimensions!

[@soulblade9142]

@@albertinabooi9100 prove it

[@ColonelEmpire]

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[@ColonelEmpire]

@ShadeyBladey Not actually. We never claim to be wiser than God. We never deny the obvious. God is. Jesus is God. Jesus is the Creator God. Science has debunked evolution. We just trust the facts.

[@Stevenafoe]

He keeps claiming that what he said was ‘evidence’. There was zero.

[@johncee853]

To them, belief IS evidence. The mindset of "It's true because I believe it is.

[@RaulPerez-jj5jj]

@@johncee853 For real. This is so true. So many of them think that way.

[@ra1279]

It's hard not to curse when people demand you believe in their invisible space fairy.

[@staceypool2318]

Jesus fucking christ! Is that a curse?

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

@@staceypool2318 It's even worse. It's taking the lords name in vain. ;)

[@staceypool2318]

@@Quotenwagnerianer , jesus fucking christ is not a Lord or a god.

[@stuartfoster7582]

Stacey Pool your in for one HELL of a ride !

[@stuartfoster7582]

David Parry So you FEAR also !

Dragnauct: Coolest first name ever.

[@hiddengnome]

Imagine if your last name was Dreadnought.

[@snowballars]

I was thinking the same thing. Sick name

[@amaziahyaohsharal9840]

I dare you to smell his seat 💺

[@AnonyMous-bv3ge]

@American Hostage there's a difference between not being able to and choosing not to do something.. I chose not to have kids myself.. I have all the necessary equipment and fluids needed without any malfunctioning parts.. but I chose not to use that equipment to reproduce..

[@magellanicraincloud]

@American Hostage yeah weird for people to jump on your for that...

[@tonygriffin_]

He argues about birds and their physiology while clearly having not the slightest clue that birds evolved from dinosaurs.

[@katyungodly]

I find the people who criticize evolution tend to know next to nothing about it.

[@ravarga4631]

Or that not all birds can fly.

[@colaboytje]

Wow. I understand ignorance and not being educated. But pretending to know something as fact and make assertion upon assertion, without willing to be challenged or listen or learn, has nothing to do with ignorance or lacking education. It is my definition of stupidity: not willing to listen and learn.

[@RonLarhz]

It's a sheeple mind. Brainwashed to regurgitate.

[@Trylica]

And also repeat the same thing as nauseum🤷‍♀️

[@2DReanimation]

There should be a questionnaire to test your assumptions that shows where you are wrong in your assumptions. I will keep this in mind when I continue listening to TAE. As this theist thinks that evolution always goes towards something that's objectively "good", or "there's an order to everything", that's question one.

[@colaboytje]

@Kevin HM8404 Read what you wrote. You wrote he should have been hung up. Before shouting 'too stupid'...

[@that3rdChoi]

@@colaboytje you're right

[@TheRealCatof]

Further proof that theists only believe what they believe, due to an overwhelming fear of dying.

[@dukadarodear2176]

Correct. It's also overwhelmingly likely that we humans are the only creatures on earth whose brains have a part that makes it known to us that we're going to die within 11 decades at most. The "afterlife" invention makes living with dying easier for some.

[@bobs182]

The caller needs to recognize that thinking/consciousness is an activity of brains not existing without brains. We cannot think anything into existence.

[@evolutionaryadvantage]

Isn’t like 99% of things that have ever existed have died out? That’s not intelligent, that’s not good design, that’s shitty.

[@SpaceOrbisGaming]

In school, a 1% is an F- and grounds to fail you. Yet here 1% is proof of a God and an intelligent one at that. Somehow I think our ideas of that word mean different things.

[@Danelius90]

The universe is designed for life! Forget about the 99.99999% of it that would instantly kill anything, it's designed for life!

[@JustieCrustie]

On the mark 99.9%! I was thinking exactly same thing!😄👌

[@JustieCrustie]

@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 So we can wear earrings?!!! I'm joking..I know what you're getting at! Appendix comes to mind too.😄😉✌

[@landsgevaer]

@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 An intelligent design fan might argue that it was designed to carry earrings. Not a natural evolutionary advantage perhaps (although in our culture it may actually well have become one!), but IDers don't seem to care much about that anyway, so that argument won't disturb them much. Better examples are "designs" that are not only useless but obviously "bad", like that vein that runs up and down the neck of a giraffe to go around the heart where it could just have taken a short straight route.

[@elmolewis9123]

Another "great thinker" derailed by his own illogical thinking.

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

As always, when you go through the whole thing .................

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@Murican Ignorance In my age I do not "grow " anymore, only older, a few years. Dear Mr Wonderful. ..................

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

"That depends on what you mean by "great thinker." -Jordan "Send Me Your Money" Peterson

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@@Ifoughtpiranhas Are we talking to each other, or BESIDE each other ? ................

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

@@ralfhaggstrom9862; "That depends on what you mean by BESIDE..."

[@anthonypc1]

12:00 "Well, that's because you're helping me fail" lol guy you don't need any help failing to make a point "within reason"

[@failegion7828]

"Reason for death is to prevent overpopulation." My man... 10 billion human lives say hello.

[@googlearmorx7641]

And counting.

[@coletrickle1775]

Lol it sure isn't working.

[@pegyhill9333]

I guess god is struggling to tame that over population, oh well I’m sure he will just kill off a few extra million innocent kids in Africa of starvation.

[@denbecr49]

Evolution could not have occurred if it wasn't for better adapted organisms having the ability to completely replace the former population with their better adapted DNA. Species must evolve in populations with the same gene pool. Immortal organisms don't exist at least for the reason that they wouldn't have been able to update their gene pools. Death had to be inexorable even if only due to predation. BTW, Earth isn't overpopulated with humans yet. Those predictions have been delayed by advances in agriculture including genetic engineering, better fertilizers and pesticides, more third world countries progressing economically and being able to afford highly mechanized and scientific farming methods etc.

[@denbecr49]

Failegion Not even 8 billion yet.

[@anvb5a1]

Oh come on, stop the tap-dancing... just say it as it is: "i believe for no freakin' reason! Just because... i feel like it!" it's ridiculous but own it at least!

[@Mentos6]

@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 Why do you believe that?

[@MrKit9]

@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 Spoken like a litter box turd.

[@anvb5a1]

@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 I'm alive too, no jesus involved!

[@gbrown932]

@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 turn the other cheek

[@Julian0101]

@@sinhurtzeveryone9770 Jebus = Scammer

[@brianjohnston3707]

He learnt a couple of big words and thought let's call matt😂😂😂

[@coletrickle1775]

He heard and repeated a couple big words, he has never learned the words.

[@zackhall2681]

@@coletrickle1775 lmao

[@ChIbIDahKIlla]

F'real doe, someone come get they mans!🤣🤣

[@nosuchthing8]

Haha. True.

[@Eltercero]

He pulled "plethora" out of his bag. LOL.

[@sluagh75]

There are times when I listen to Matt and I am stunned by how truly intelligent and educated he is. You teach me amore and more my friend. Even with your swearing. :)

[@johnandersons]

He is impressive.

[@Alltoofinite]

It wouldn’t be the same without a well placed F bomb here and there

[@JayJay-two]

Love the swearing. And The butt hurts of the callers Hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JayMaverick]

Stop being rational and reasonable while I preach to you about my invisible skygod.

[@RaulPerez-jj5jj]

Jay Maverick my own brother did this with me last week. He said ****, your fallacies and **** you. He said he meant it. My own brother. Funny thing is that he knew I was an atheist and was still the initiator of the conversation. He kept asking me questions, evaded my questions, and shifted the goalposts consistently. Theists are stuck in their own emotions and most of them only do it cause theyre scared of a hell.

[@godofllies]

Matt stop cursing!? When he goes off I start laughing so no, let him curse.

[@Ricocossa1]

I've never seen Matt interrupting so little, likewise never seen the caller complaining so much that he was getting interrupted.

[@missq2413]

Religion indeed makes someone talk like an idiot.

[@hilohahoma1547]

Also zealots get a bit snippy when they don't get their coffee and scones in the mornin' lol.

[@Anubis424242]

It reminds me of a presentation by Seth Andrews called, "Christianity made me talk like an idiot" where he admitted that very thing about himself.

[@someperson2789]

So does antitheism and many people are inclined towards it in their hearts, an example is "the universe is so big, why would God care if I commit sexual sin, seriously, it's the 21st century, what's the big deal?" Because it's neither funny, original or thought provoking when people say stuff like that because in the end they know in their conscience what's wrong and what's right without any Bible telling them so.

[@Anubis424242]

@@someperson2789 That is nothing more than an assertion and it smells like bullshit.

[@thegigadykid1]

True

[@marrllly]

Matt bringing his A game on this one. THIS is the Matt that we all know and love

[@Elrog3]

Nah. I prefer him in debates.

[@Julian0101]

I agree, he was pretty fun in this call

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Meanwhile this caller is a something alright.

[@trevorbray-bustos1389]

Matt: "There could just be gay sex." Dragnauct: Smiles* "Wouldn't be so bad." Loved that

[@nailonross416]

I could not believe they said that. They could of came up with better answers

[@martinwilliams2556]

@@nailonross416 could have. Not could of.

[@jsar5409]

@@nailonross416 could have, but their point was enough lol

[@DrMonty-yr1kc]

@@nailonross416 Why?

[@pallejensen9484]

Imagen being so focused on being religious in such a way that u have to come up with so much CRAP in such å short time. His brsin is so broken he dont even realize it him self. Radical. There is NO WAY having an intellegent conversation with people like u.. Another time try start with proving ur god is accually REAL insted of comming up with a 1000 things u cant even prove either lol

[@anserbauer309]

Dragnauct Sylvas: Clever, calm, composed and captivating. Love to see more of this guy. Asks intelligent questions which cut to the core of the issue....... Sadly, callers seem to struggle with his vocabulary. Doesn't hurt that he's easy on the eye too. Just a shame the caller couldn't offer up a more sophisticated argument for him to respond to. Great job Matt, as always.

[@davejacob5208]

he wasn´t calm, the guy on the left was. sadly, whenever matt is present, we hardly get to hear whatever the caller really thinks but ONLY how matt fills 90% of the conversation by stopping every line of thought the caller MIGHT have had tried to lay out if he were at least given the chance to...

[@norml6874]

Dave Jacob did you read the comment you responded to?

[@mattrogers6107]

@Dave Jacob, you’d have a point, if the caller were actually thinking. He was parroting crappy arguments he heard elsewhere, none of them were leading anywhere, and anybody who’s listened to a few of these idiotic “arguments” would already know that. Very rarely does a theist trying to prove a god exists come up with anything worth listening to if you let them keep talking, and there’s a very good reason for that. It doesn’t take a lot to work out that if there were any sort of relevant to humanity deity we would all believe in it because its existence would be readily apparent, and would have been for centuries at the very least.

[@davejacob5208]

@@mattrogers6107 i heard hundreds of those arguments. but i know basic logic: just because so far they were dumb, i will not start to watch a video in order to NOT get to listen to it. why the FUCK would i want to watch this video about religious callers if i DID NOT wanted to hear the ARGUMENT OF THE CALLER?

[@TrippyKenpachi]

@@davejacob5208 Late to the party, but… Perhaps these arguments are new to you-and maybe you could not see where the caller was going with these pathetic attempts-but they’re redundant to the majority of us. They have been thoroughly beaten time and time again. Matt wasn’t cutting him off. Rather, he attempted to help the caller craft a sound argument. Why would Matt allow him to ramble on with flawed premises (especially premises we’ve all heard and are absolutely tired of hearing)? This “A. Radical” person was dishonest from the start, and he grew increasingly agitated that he couldn’t force the hosts to have this conversation within the confines of his shoddy, shoddy framework.Why on earth would Matt go down that road (again) if he already knew it was the wrong direction?

[@jollytemplar3670]

Stating that death has a motive is like stating that a waterfall has a motive.

[@emilepesik862]

Waterfalls do have motives: same motive as why the chicken crossed the road :-P

[@jollytemplar3670]

@@emilepesik862 Yeah, that was the point I was making. And chickens do have motives in some sense of the word, since they (and most other life) wishes to stay alive

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

Wait....Waterfalls don't have a motive? LOL

[@DontEverGrowUp]

@@JohnMorris-ge6hq A waterfall's motive is equal to its intent. Which is zero.

[@emilepesik862]

@@jollytemplar3670 I agree with your point. You may have missed the joke though. As for the chicken, if it wants to stay alive it should seriously consider _not_ crossing the road.

[@lisahenry20]

I love how Matt makes a point to swear more when the caller tells him to stop swearing.

[@daviddeida]

Yes it shows Matt is under the influence of the caller.Weak.

[@nerdieone1]

It shows the callers shouldn't give a fuck if matt swears or not.

[@orange_man_from]

@@daviddeida I held that idea for a little while, but on a different show he iterated that "This is my show I can curse to whoever I want", it reminds the caller who is in charge and ultimately always gives control back to Matt. Like he said in this call, painting something as wholly good/bad or strong/weak isn't true across the board. It may be giving way to temptation when he goes into a cursing fit rather than calmly explaining its his show, his rules, but like he gets the job done. Personally I'd offer he should try the "My show my rules" calm explanation... once per show and then shout about it for instances afterward :)

[@daviddeida]

@@orange_man_from Hes still religious,putting himself as the God head.NPD ,control freek ,weak and insecure imo.

[@starlaminde8436]

I’m the same type lol

[@cwilson200x]

Awsome name.Sounds like a mortal kombat character .......dragnauct sylvas vs sub zero

[@lauriesoper4056]

"Okay, let's go to our next caller. Oh look, a contortionist who loves to torture himself."

[@weemac4645]

Sounds like the Christian God.

[@spookyariel1]

Every time he says "Ok" without actually absorbing what was was said to him is making me nuts.

[@Thormp1]

I do not find love in god I do not find rest in religion I do not find peace in belief I find contentment in atheism I find comfort in the absence of a higher power I find happiness in knowledge A whole world of possibilities open up When you take off the blindfold

[@arjenbootsma6881]

Very similar to one of my favorite Christopher Hitchens quotes: Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness , truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.

[@arjenbootsma6881]

@@grassoempreendimentos2188 The beauty of atheism is that we are not mandated to believe anything. The only real point your elaborate post makes is that you cannot imagine: not having faith; not operating on magical thinking; and being comfortable with not knowing.

[@grassoempreendimentos2188]

@@arjenbootsma6881 you reject God, his love and grace. He will accept your decision, and you will remain eternally without experiencing his love and grace. Hell awaits unbelievers. Fool.

[@that3rdChoi]

@@grassoempreendimentos2188 uhhhhhh A bit to much to read,ps how do you write that much!?

[@TheRealLucifer_Morningstar]

@@grassoempreendimentos2188 Please provide both your evidence for any god AND Hell. We'll wait............

[@MunkyDrag0n]

"Evolutionary adaptations exist and not through the will of their owners, therefore God." "Every animal is perfect for its environment, therefore God." Evolution is an endless goal. The environment constantly changes, therefore life must constantly adapt to it. There is no such thing as "perfection" unless there was an environment that never changes (not possible) or an organism that can change form at will for any environment (like the Zerg for example, which do not exist). The caller does not realize he refuted himself. "Hawks have better eyesight than humans in terms of distance." Yes, so what? They need distance vision to hunt from the air, more accurately their ability to track movement is keen. Humans do not hunt from the air and we were not at the top of the food chain before we mastered fire and tools. We were hunted by big cats, so we needed good color and binocular vision to make them out. "If there was no death, there would be overpopulation, therefore God." This makes the assumption God made overpopulation a problem to be solved by death. This is very stupid. God could have made overpopulation a non-factor by making everyone gay or incapable of overproducing. This also assumes overpopulation is no longer a problem because of death, which is demonstrably false. It is still a huge problem. Also, if organisms were perfectly adapted to their environment, they wouldn't die now would they? Damn, this caller is stupid! *Disclaimer: Caller may or may not be stupid, but his arguments undoubtedly are stupid.*

[@JesseTheGameDev]

Great commentary. However, while I understand how frustrating it can be to hear this kind of nonsense argument, "this caller is stupid" isn't' really a constructive thing to say and cheapens the rest of your great comment.

[@gabrielesimionato1210]

@@JesseTheGameDev calling the caller names doesn't add or deduct from other statements. You are not disqualified on your arguments because you are either rude or polite.

[@MunkyDrag0n]

@@JesseTheGameDev Okay, fine. The caller's *arguments* are stupid.

[@brendanpmaclean]

Jesse Stewart it is fair to concede, however, that stupid does exist and that some people exemplify that characteristic more than others.

[@Trylica]

@Jimbus Rift they vote too😜

[@jasondulin7376]

Every single point of his argument needs to be clarified and he can't stand that.

[@critical-thought-4all561]

Matt is bald from pulling out his hair during theist calls - and you can’t tell me otherwise!

[@bootneckbonz]

Dragnauct is one of the most badass names I've ever heard. Sounds like a bad guy from Star Trek. I love it. We'll played, lads 👍

[@kierananthony25]

Thor exists, look at the thunder. Air Benders exist, look at the wind. Homer Simpsons exists, look at Springfield. See how stupid that sounds? And yes, there are books and stories about all of these people/God's.

[@rhealastname266]

I really hope when I die Avatar Aang just states, "sup, welcome to heaven." Lmao

[@rhealastname266]

@Scott Fantazia Ouch! Critical hit!

[@kierananthony25]

@Scott Fantazia I never said I will be there. And, I don't believe there is one. So your question is dreadfully fallacious.

[@kierananthony25]

@@rhealastname266 Shit mate. 😂

[@katyungodly]

"Harry Potter is true because this book proves it"

[@larryborsa4396]

There's nothing more dangerous than a little bit of knowledge. This guy has googled something that he probably doesn't fully understand and is trying to use it for an argument.

[@trikky2.2]

Does that include your comment ? :) I am only joking, feel I have to add that as some might take it as serious :)

[@nuffflavor]

Who ever told him about Google.... needs to be punched in the stomach.

[@trikky2.2]

@@nuffflavor I think that anything that gives you more access to information is a good thing .... However you do need to educate people as how to extract the meaningful from the crap .... And that is a big ask :)

[@guidokorber2866]

The guy has google, but he has no brain. What a depressing idiot.

[@derekmizer6293]

@@trikky2.2 u mean Creation Science "science " isnt real science? 😂

[@farmerdave7965]

The caller is full of semantic mumbo jumbo.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

Dhivine Dhog Dhoo.

[@lothlilian2005]

Great gobs of goose shit.

[@ColonelEmpire]

Dillihunty is full of evolution mumbo jumbo....not science.

[@SteveJ777]

@@ColonelEmpire Funny. I've never heard a clearer example of mumbo jumbo than the Christian creationist myth.

[@wilfredbateman6141]

@@ColonelEmpire What do you call science?

[@Buttaman2218]

what so scary about realizing the only answer very often is- “I don’t know.” These shows repeatedly demonstrate how flexible bad ideas and bad beliefs are. Ideological Contortionists.

[@michelerich1590]

"it's sure not a stupid one". ooof that moment was so pathetically cringy.

[@dogearflopper7011]

This caller hates being challenged. Every premise is false as presented.

[@clarkd1955]

Why does it always seem that these “discussions” have your opponents bringing a knife to tank battle? I almost feel sorry for them! I can’t understand why any rational person would be a “believer” (think something is true without any evidence and refuse to even listen to any contra arguments) especially with all the astronomical data we have for our truly insignificant place in our universe. Sorry to say this bluntly but intelligence is incompatible with religion, god and other magical nonsense.

[@bobs182]

Yes, we like to think that we aren't very instinctual but instinct easily overrides intellect. We evolved to survive more than we evolved to know what is true. Our innate propensity for belief in god is very complex relating to social conformity, the way our minds conceptualize, and our fear of death.

[@themplar]

Sounds to me as presuppositional. "there is an intelligence, and here are the things i dont understand or have any knowledge about to assert its from this intelligence i already believe in." I think this guy had his ideas being questioned by someone.

[@nagranoth_]

Starts of by saying he's neither a theist or atheist... it can't be anything but bad after that... Never stop cursing Matt!

[@subutubiata1]

Matt Dillahunty is wonderful, particularly when he loses his temper in a marvellous crescendo of anger at deranged callers.

[@youdontknowme8129]

I actually like it when Matt curses out the callers.

[@brucerojas24]

Lmao oh fuck

[@mikeb9638]

Well deserved every time 😂

[@mikeb9638]

@Smokey 420 I would hazard that nothing you just stated is remotely "truthful". 🙄

[@owlbus14]

I don’t. He literally acts like a child when he could clearly be patient and LISTEN. For fuck’s sake...LET the callers finish their full statement.

[@christopherianlister5212]

@@owlbus14 if the caller makes a case and part one goes down u can't trust the conclusion so why let callers drone on ?

[@antoniobodley9350]

I love how they challenge these callers on their bullshit with specific questions they trip and stumble over.

[@baronsengir187]

The constant face palming is detrimental to my health.

[@xmillion1704]

haha yes, religion causes CTE🤦‍♂️

[@wilfredbateman6141]

I'm slap happy at the moment but a bit sore.

[@hakureikura9052]

i recommend wearing mitts, the softest you can get.

[@joelonsdale]

That's intelligent design at work - god is wiping atheists out by arranging the universe so that atheists gradually face palm themselves to death.

[@lawrenceasto1325]

Theists logical reasoning "not understanding something is evidence for god". Somehow of course

[@BaritoneMike]

"But..." "Yeah, butt. ...sorry, bad joke." I lost it xD

[@toserveman9317]

The reason for death is to create room at the DMV, and conversely to make sure there are enough employees working there.

[@SevenSelah]

So many people base their beliefs on assumptions!

[@patricefouque6525]

@@yabutmaybenot.6433 Hi. To be honest, all people can do that without a religion. Aliens, Ghosts, power of crystal, etc...

[@patricefouque6525]

@@yabutmaybenot.6433 Sure

[@davejacob5208]

nobody can belief things without basing them on assumptions. that is completely unavoidable.

[@woooweee]

Lets start with "equality".

[@ColonelEmpire]

The old age of the earth is based solely upon 7 assumptions....that are used to date the strata and fossils. Circular reasoning. The belief in evolution is frail. Geology debunked evolution long ago.

[@PeterMasalski93]

He's pushing intelligent design, but instead of just saying it; he Waltzes around it for 20minutes..

[@88mphDrBrown]

He was pretty blatant about saying he was pushing intelligent design. It was less like "waltzing" and more like "stumbling" through an attempt at making a coherent fine tuning argument.

[@88mphDrBrown]

Tbf it's hard to classify or describe "arguments" like... "Allright, and I'm saying that that would be not be to be seeing viewing prey from the ground, but from the sky, which would go back to the wings. But in any case the second piece of evidence is that the reason for death is an intelligent one" It's borderline nonsensical gibberish.

[@chuckwilliams6261]

Not only can a hawk see farther than me, it can see more color too. Humans have trichromatic vision, birds have tetrachromatic vision.

[@spork8655]

Hawkfacts!

[@scipioafricanus5871]

Hawk goals!

[@denbecr49]

Chaz Wms. Some humans are tetrachromats.

[@katyungodly]

God's "intelligent design" didn't exactly design humans so well 😂

[@mojobag01]

My toaster could make a better argument. A grand Yule to all in Austin.

[@xmillion1704]

Just by virtue of its existence, your toaster is an entity more worthy of worship as a creator . . . of toast.

[@庫倫亞利克]

@@xmillion1704 Heathen! My refrigerator is the only true god, for it yields miracles--the prolonged preservation of food, which cannot be achieved by natural means and thus can only be regarded as a supernatural feat. Bow down before the mighty fridge god or you'll go to toaster hell reigned by toaster the prince of darkness, where you'll be forced to eat nothing but toast for meal throughout eternity!

[@xmillion1704]

@@庫倫亞利克 - Are you sure? I swear that I heard that the first commandment: "Though shalt have no other appliances before me." was an interpolation, added later by an ancient refrigidarian sect. You could be right, I guess. I do know, however, that my can opener is a demon. Of that I'm sure.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@庫倫亞利克 and burned toasts at that. Throughout eternity!

[@scipioafricanus5871]

A Festivus for the rest of us in Austin. Bring out that aluminum pole before the Airing of Grievances.

[@akashaj8610]

When you have convinced yourself that you're deep.

[@alansimmons9621]

"There's also no random". What does that mean?

[@swolejeezy2603]

Alan Simmons Disorderly as opposed to the order that is imposed on the universe (or at least our neck of the woods) by humans. It’s kinda contrived from the start.

[@TheDahaka1]

If death never existed, life would have adapted in a vastly different way. If death suddenly stopped working, that would be a half good proof for the existence of some god XD

[@philipperinguette3370]

Death doesn't work. Life does stop working for different beings and that is what we call death. Death is to cease living. Death is just a negative statement just like atheism. Death sould even not be a thing. You stop living and we gave this action a name.

[@revanche1431]

​@@philipperinguette3370 If death were a object, maybe. But death is not a thing; It's a state of existence. Your body will be dead far longer than it will be alive. Nor is it a negative statement; it's the description of the state of an organism after it continues functioning. "Off doesn't work. On does stop working for different objects and that is what we call off. Off is to cease being on. Off is just a negative statement just like atheism. Off sould even not be a thing. It stops being on and we gave this action a name."

[@bike4aday]

I don’t think you understand the implications of “no death”. If there was no death then there would be no life. What were you before you were born? I can answer it for you; you were dead. You were dead for an infinite amount of time, then born for a limited amount of time, and soon will die for an infinite amount of time. Without death, everything that could possibly exist would exist and it could never change because then that would be death of something. An all-existing never-changing world can’t bring experience. It would be frozen in time, stuck. This is why you, the infinite creator called consciousness, created life and death to begin with. They are inseparable opposing aspects, like two sides of a coin, that must exist together or not at all, and the relationship between them is what people call God or singularity or Karma, just to name a few.

[@RosieRoserules]

Human beings are not at all adapted for our environment we would die within a few hours if you found yourself alone in the world and you didn't know how to make a building and you didn't know how to make clothes or you didn't know how to hunt for food we are born into a system that's already a little bit set up for us but we are definitely not adapted to the weather we can't survive in the heat we can't survive in the cold without something being built for us. Every other creature that I know of is born with the outfit they need to survive we are not born with the outfit we need to survive or anything

[@MrKErocks]

Dragnauct is a crazy cool name...

[@horsepowerenthusiast6933]

@Horsehead Pete Egotistical how?

[@MunkyDrag0n]

There is a name for a claim for which no empirical evidence can be provided. It's called "unfalsifiable" and it is the reason why those claims do not hold up.

[@humboldthammer]

Do you claim that life evolved from some ooze of chemicals and light?

[@johnathancerda8976]

@@humboldthammer minerals.

[@humboldthammer]

@@johnathancerda8976 Is that your empirical evidence? Has it been duplicated in a laboratory setting and reviewed by your peers?

[@alexandersmith2679]

humboldthammer yes it has. scientists have shown that the building blocks to life (amino acids) can come about naturally in conditions similar to those in an early earth. Does that prove that life started that way...no, but it proves it’s possible. So arguments like “I just can’t believe life came about from goo by accident” are ridiculous because we’ve shown that it can.

[@johnathancerda8976]

@@humboldthammer yea i believe they put the same minerals im a little ecosystem and life turned up.

[@Faithnomore227]

From 9 minutes the grasping becomes incredibly embarrassing to a point I love. Marvellous.

[@DontEverGrowUp]

If there was no death, how would you define over-population? If there was no death, obviously life would be very different. If there was no death, what need would there be for reproduction? Whatever life was on the planet would have had to come about through some means, and then just never die. There was no indication that the guy was even talking about human life. What if there was no death, but the world was covered with single-celled organisms? Would they reproduce sexually? Would they stop multiplying if the supply of nutrients ran out? Since there is death, you would necessarily have to define life very differently to support a proposition of there being no death, since we have no idea what that looks like.

[@1990maman]

And even then, I still can't see how that somehow demonstrates a God. "If there was no death, there would be overpopulation." Okay...go on? Whose to say that death was an intention? What kind of argument is that? It's mind-boggling that theist callers still call in to say absolutely nothing.

[@innerfire2179]

Reason hits a brick wall when it tries to reconcile god and science. This is the point where theists start grasping at straws and performing all the mental acrobatics it takes to bridge that unfathomable gap. A square peg and a round hole. Theists may want to consider why they believe what they believe. It's not intelligence that prevents people from seeing things clearly, it's bias. The result of reinforced indoctrination.

[@marigi2013]

“You’ve failed in every way up to even now.” “Ok let’s move on then.”

[@rbname7318]

He’s trying so hard. Technically the reason for death is punishment for eating the fruit according to the Bible. Adam and Eve’s lifespan was not defined until they broke the rule

[@markcostello5120]

Yes it wasn't defined but there was a tree of everlasting life in the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve were free to eat the fruit of that tree.

[@xmillion1704]

and here I thought death was brought about through the natural process of aging and oxidation, shit wearing out and wearing down, hmmph.

[@horsepowerenthusiast6933]

@@markcostello5120 Pictures of that "Tree of everlasting life"?

[@aeronautisch]

X Million. What makes one withold from thinking God created that proces?

[@xmillion1704]

@@aeronautisch - One's lack of belief in a god's existence, due to insufficient evidence warranting such a belief. What makes one withhold from believing it was a universe shitting schmerzzeled gafxmierxzlblart that belongs to a little old lalien on the dark side of the moon?

[@woolvey]

By suggesting death is an intelligent creator's solution to overcrowding, you are implying there is an option to create life that does not die. We clearly have no examples of life that does not die. If it were true, you could jump from a plane, walk through a wildfire, cut off your head and still live. You would have no need for food. It would completely redefine what life is. In addition, even if we grant that a creator intelligently designed death for this purpose, having a birth rate greater than death rate, which has been the case for most of history, will continue to grow the population ever larger and ultimately (given finite space) cause overcrowding, making the solution not very intelligent.

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

Not true. The Jellyfish when it grows old reverts to a younger version of itself. It can be killed by a predator or a motor boat blade but not by old age. And viruses don't die. They are either active or inactive. You will hear people say "This will kill the virus," but it is a layman term. But a virus does not die.

[@TheNomad94]

@@JohnMorris-ge6hq Biological immortality is not an example of complete immortality, which I'd argue is what OP was referring to. Viruses are a poor example because it's not entirely clear whether they are to be considered "alive" in the first place.

[@robinvan1983]

He assumes that people who are immortal would not realise that overpopulation is an issue and that every immortal human wants kids...

[@woolvey]

@@JohnMorris-ge6hq To clarify, I was speaking of all forms of death,. In a universe completely designed by an intelligent creator, I'm not sure how you would distinguish between natural and unnatural causes. Cell division, disease, predation, etc. would all be part of the design.

[@johanvandermerwe2928]

Paul Burton Maybe AI can go that route one day. Never die. Replace worn parts. Travel the universe. If artificial intelligence reaches such levels and even developed consciousness, would their creators be gods.

[@TheCountBlackula1978]

The moment a thiest knows their losing a debate they always want to move on.😂

[@darrylelam256]

Because we aren't immortal there is an intelligence at work?... Really? That's a new one on me.

[@francischimenti1374]

Well, we WERE immortal once, apparently, but the woman(why there was gender if they were immortal, I have no idea 🤷‍♂️) ate a forbidden fruit, or which some believe was actually allegorical for having degenerate sex(again HOW they were shagging, or had the NEED to shag if they were immortal having no need for gender, I have no idea 🤷‍♂️), so God got pissed off, even though "He"(AGAIN GENDER!!) KNEW it was gonna happen, being omniscient and all, and cursed them with mortality, everlasting hardship annnnnnnnd..... here we are - Decaying at every moment. "Intelligence", people 😐👍

[@xmillion1704]

@@francischimenti1374 - "How do you like them apples?" Ah, now I get it.

[@markborder906]

Francis Chimenti @ Francis Chimenti On this immortal bit. I wonder why this immortal, apparently unique tree needed to produce fruit in the first place.

[@francischimenti1374]

@@markborder906 Or WHY God just didn't MOVE the damn thing out of reach of these dumb, simple beings, to begin with, problem solved. Come on, it's GOD ffs! He/she/it designed and implemented quantum physics ITSELF, surely moving a magic tree would've been a triviality! Tsk tsk.... could've avoided a whole clusterfuck of a situation but NOPE part of his/her/its plan...... that viciously pissed him/her/it off when it happened? 🤨🤨🤨🤔🤔..... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Goddammit, someone really NEEDS to sit TF down and make careful revisions to this shit.... seriously.

[@yuuseir3391]

I'm sure there are discussions about the many flaws in nature, but the caller here claims than nature works differently. Of course to prove that his god made it, and he is perfect.

[@comeasyouare4545]

I like theist they prove that we are imperfect.

[@donaldcook2484]

It is virtually impossible to beat Matt the king of reality and common sense. Nobody better today with his knowledge and intelligence. !!!

[@Saintintensity]

Matt lets his real feelings show - and the caller gets a deserved chewing out

[@adamtzsch]

“Birds having wings” - Discuss 🥴

[@robertkennedy5414]

Penguins can't fly, nor can ostriches.

[@revanche1431]

When you're too stupid to understand that an evolutionary advantage in one direction is also a disadvantage in another one.

[@matthewjury4385]

adamtzsch what is that face

[@JenamDrag0n]

@@robertkennedy5414 It's true they can't fly, but it's also true they still have wings.

[@brassholio]

Emu's can't fly, but it's funny watching them try.

[@waynetec13]

"What do women want?" THEY WANT POCKETS!

[@shanehull6235]

That was a long winded pointless way to get to the watch maker

[@TheGreatNincompoop]

I totally get you, ARadical. Sure, every single premise you've put forward has been blatantly fallacious, but you'd totally have the best argument ever if only nobody interrupted you.

[@jimwhitman2963]

The interruptions are a necisssry part of having a good debate. Some things require clarification otherwise Its just two people blathering at eachother.

[@Scalesti]

Joel Neumier he doesn’t have an argument.

[@xmillion1704]

@@Scalesti - I'm pretty sure my reading of Joel's comment as sarcasm was the correct take.

[@davejacob5208]

@@jimwhitman2963 yes, clarification is necessary, but this is no conversation if matt constantly decides to order him around, first he expects him to formulate premises etc., then suddenly he simply asks how it all leads to his conclusion, assuming it was clear that the argument can be formulated as a single answer to a single question. try not sounding dumb when the person you talk to does not even wait for 10 seconds before he tells you not only where you are wrong but also how he would like you to now talk further. no line of thinking can work out if it never gets the chance to be developed at all.

[@Julian0101]

@@davejacob5208 Kind of difficult when in 10 seconds the caller shows how dumb he is. I didnt take that long for both hosts to find flaws in his premises.

[@MagnumInnominandum]

"Let's move on" Best idea dude had going there.

[@yuuseir3391]

Yeah, every "evidence" seems to end with: "Ok, I lost this one as well, let's move on !"

[@woolvey]

When asked if his "Conscious Creator of the Cosmos" had any other attributes at the beginning of the call, he said no. Toward the end of the call he added in another attribute of "infinite" in response to Dragnauct's question about who created the creator.

[@DonGambino30]

Does this guy not realize we already have over population ?

[@xmillion1704]

hehe If his "god" was all that intelligent, wouldn't he just kill off the weak (minded) ones like this?

[@PhilloTBillo]

Religion, brainwashing children for centuries.

[@alandgomez5905]

This was a really good clip. It highlights how someone can come to a conclusion using their own 'common sense' and 'intuition'. I see a pattern, therefore it was on or for a purpose. 'Nuff said, insert a creator lol. It kind of reminds me of the "Something can't come from nothing" guy. Good stuff guys.

[@pauligrossinoz]

Basically this caller's argument amounts to: _A god must exist because there is stuff that he doesn't understand._ It's just a long-winded *god-of-my-own-gaps* argument. And given how poorly educated he is ... he has a _lot_ of ignorance from which he can then imagine his god can be found!

[@bigmandrel]

I agree. Nicely said. However, I know plenty of highly educated people who subscribe to the same or similar enough BS.

[@KurtisRader]

Also known as the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@polskastrong8558]

YEAH, let us pat ourselves on the back for finding a guy who can't explain why he believes in what he believes my fellow fedora-wearing atheist, Let's ignore the fact that for the *LAST TEN MILLENNIA* cold hard steel balled bastards Stood with faith in there hands against the unknowns of the world using it as a guiding flame in those ancient times. Let’s laugh at their struggle while we sit in the comforts of modern life while we say, “If there were a God why would he let bad things happen?”. Let us completely ignore the fact that in the darkest times of humanity, people clung to their faith, saving their sanity and their humanity while we lose faith at the slightest of wrongs in the world. Let us ignore the fact that in EVERY atheist Regime from Stalin to Hitler, to Mau and Kim, People lost their humanity killing those who had faith rendering us to barbaric animals. Let us bring the Crusades and Jihads to the forefront of why religion is bad while we ignore our own death toll.

[@KurtisRader]

@@polskastrong8558 If you're an atheist then I'm a world class opera singer. If you really do think of yourself as an atheist you should do a lot more reading and less commenting since your comment indicate you don't know what the fsck you're talking about.

[@polskastrong8558]

@@KurtisRader ok boomer

[@arturama8581]

If someone starts with: "it's a fact that ...." (and usually waits for confirmation) I already get suspicious. If then something follows that's in no way a fact, I'm done. Everything that follows after will only be BS.

[@gordon3186]

He claims not to know whether he's a theist or an atheist and the conversation only grows more tedious from there.

[@xmillion1704]

Ah, yes, the call so quickly corkscrewed into quagmire that I forgot about that bit of dissembling.

[@dx1450]

"I'm not a theist but I believe there's an intelligence which created the entire universe."

[@gordon3186]

@@dx1450 ---- You're a theist...it's just that you've stripped your Creator of every attribute but intelligence.

[@dx1450]

@@gordon3186 No, I'm an atheist. I was just paraphrasing what that caller was saying.

[@gordon3186]

@@dx1450 ---- Got it. Didn't catch the quotation marks.

[@larryfulkerson4505]

if you are a scientist and you believe in a god then you aren't doing science right.

[@andrewc9998]

Science has proven time and time again that there is a God and his son Jesus died for your sins.

[@larryfulkerson4505]

@@andrewc9998: your reply illustrates exactly what's wrong with religion....it poisons your mind so that you can't tell right from wrong any longer. it produces delusions and skewed thinking in otherwise functional people. it renders situations that directly contradict reality. it twists perceptions and produces muddled thinking. it promotes magical themes and gives credence to fantasy. there is no god. there has never been a god. your god is just as real as Zeus. nothing fails like prayer.....just ask any amputee. after I die I'm going to round up a lot of like minded people and we're going to storm the city of god and kill him.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

@@andrewc9998 Children are laughing at you. Children.

[@uzard3860]

No, you can be a theist and a great scientist at the same time.

[@jns8393]

@@andrewc9998 You'll be able to provide accepted references for this science then.

[@___LC___]

“Perfectly adapted”....ummm, if I didn’t have clothing or a house, I’d die in my environment.

[@billyhoffman1754]

I like Mr. Silvas. I'd like to see him on more episodes.

[@bogdanvojnovic989]

Matt is actually quite nice and polite

[@homophilosofikus8215]

Thousands of years, millions of debates. Still no proof. You just have to have faith, something that can only be achieved by imagination...

[@Ploskkky]

Caller once more demonstrates that the understanding of common creationists of Biological Evolution is just abysmal.

[@westingtyler1]

18:00 I'm waiting for Matt to drill down to the point this guy says "HOW ELSE COULD YOU EXPLAIN IT?!" which is the argument from ignorance fallacy.

[@brucebaker810]

My evidence? 1. Death happens. 2. Things are in a way. 3. Yall cuss too much. Therefore God.

[@amadddd0]

Birds that could see better, could hunt better, and populated more... darwinian evolution

[@mrbigfellanz]

Unless that bird liveson a dark forest floor in which case they may have an exceptional sence of smell. ... the Kiwi the only bird with nostrils at the end of its beak.

[@crystalheart9]

@@mrbigfellanz Amazing isn't it!

[@francischimenti1374]

Birds eye can see better.... but can't roll them in the socket so they have to frustratingly twist and turn their heads to focus on something. Birds - yeah, thanks creator. Very funny 🙄

[@AndersKjeldgaardNielsen]

And the same with the whole junk about death, if there was no death, animals would evolve to reflect that, or they will die out because their environment couldn't sustain them. But there is a HUGE difference between a world where animals didn't die from the start (lets clarify this, from age because or else all feeding and extreme injuries is just...dumb) and the current world suddenly had death removed. The world and it's animals in it will adapt to this, over time. If they don't, they will die out one way or another.

[@kanescrimes4848]

"There's some kind of god, and Matt should stop cursing" No there isn't, and no he shouldn't. ...case closed. Give me a cookie.

[@kanescrimes4848]

​@Mike Willett I don't think anyone asking Matt not to curse is doing so because they think it's what the bible says/what god wants specifically. It seems to me that appealing to Catholicism often translates to a persons overall perception regarding the manner in which they conduct themselves. In other words: A "god wants me to be nice" sort of motivation. My comment is more of a joke revolving around idiots needing a god for motivation to be nice...and it also pokes fun at the belief itself.