My reaction to Lila Rose’s appearance on Dr. Phil

In this episode Trent breaks down Lila Rose’s defense of the pro-life position and shows where the pro-choice arguments from the show’s host and guests fall flat.
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[@TheCounselofTrent]

My wife has a KZbin channel where she shares "The Four Stages of Catholic Women and Lila Rose". It's a hoot! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnibfK2rbdCWfpI

[@jackmoody5416]

As you probably already know, "Catholic" social media has been in an uproar ever since the recent Sedevacantism debate on 'Pints with Aquinas'. They're admitting br Dimond won that debate. So they're asking if you could step up to debate Br Dimond.

[@trevornunn3285]

Anyone who thinks the bible is a good standard for morality is severely mistaken

[@kevinkelly2162]

Your wife has no business preaching or teaching. Says so in the Bible.

[@Personaje123]

@@trevornunn3285 anyone who thinks a book cant be misinterpreted is severely mistaken

[@trevornunn3285]

@@Personaje123 I bet that's what you do

[@definitelynotaheretic.7295]

My wife and I had a “carry to bury” baby in 2018. I baptized him shortly after he was born with holy water from Lourdes, and he died about an hour and 20 minutes after birth on my wife’s chest. As hard as that all was, having my own child executed in place of that is beyond unconscionable.

[@alvaroramos7564]

Your baby is a saint !!

[@tMatt5M]

Your baby sustains the universe through their prayers

[@jennyanydots6959]

Amen

[@padraicbrown6718]

@@tMatt5M Wow. That is utterly mind-blowing and true!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Why would you want to execute your baby 20 minutes after it is born ? come on dude gingers aren't that bad.

[@Amber-gy6lj]

My mom was told to Abort me, I wouldn't live long after birth! I'm now 35yrs old. Doctors can be wrong

[@ntmn8444]

They’re wrong quite often. People need to do what’s right for themselves, especially since doctors these days lack a good moral compass. In the famous words of Pontus Pilate: “what is truth?”

[@fedfoofy]

Well if she aborted you, then maybe she would have had another kid when she was more ready, who would be here today instead of you.

[@EmmaWithJesus]

I'm so glad that your mom chose life and I'm so glad that you are alive Amber! God bless you! Mother Mary loves you! 😊💕

[@belmum1689]

I am glad you are here

[@Amber-gy6lj]

@@EmmaWithJesus aww Thank you! GOD BLESS !

[@klutziekat7709]

Lila did incredible, she's so good at keeping her cool in tense situations.

[@trevornunn3285]

The hypocrisy of this woman is astounding. The biblical god is clearly pro-abortion

[@bulletanarchy6447]

No if she had actually let him finish before disagreeing with him and stating her case then he would have to address her point and her evidence instead of it just being a talk show shambles.

[@taniya8455]

@@bulletanarchy6447 that's when he didn't give a clear answer........

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@taniya8455 She changed the subject to what his point of view is, trying to call him biased. Completely avoiding having to back up her claim.

[@g0nchyy]

​@@bulletanarchy6447 she cited the consensus, he didn't.

[@cactoidjim1477]

"It doesn't matter what I think" is what someone says when they don't want to have to defend their opinion.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

He is talking about a consensus not his own opinion and she deliberately tries to make it seem he is talking about his own opinion. Pro life are just disingenuous period

[@eriklarsson3188]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Consensus has nothing to do with science, that's first and foremost. Secondly, life begins when the sperm fertilizes the eggs. It cannot begin _before_ that process occurs. Period. End of. It's not complicated at all and just because anti-life people try to muddle the waters and say that it is, does not make it so.

[@epcd7021]

Lila Rose is so incredible in defending her battle against abortion.

[@trevornunn3285]

The biblical god is pro-abortion

[@bulletanarchy6447]

No she isn't

[@karenbennettson7234]

why don't you just use birth control?? if your body is so important to you

[@marfin4325]

Destiny disproved that, LOL

[@Drea62621]

She’s not actually she’s says the same thing over and over and has no medical degree.

[@myrddingwynedd2751]

Fine for Dr Phil to interrupt though. It's like he doesn't want her to finish what she's saying.

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

I can’t believe he said that there’s no scientific consensus on when life begins, well I mean intelligent people do you say stupid things from time to time,and this just happens to be one of those times.

[@husq48]

He's so full of himself!

[@husq48]

@@pleaseenteraname1103 Consensus science is not science.

[@Summer-sx7xl]

I don’t love the misogyny argument, but wow, would he have been that patronizing to a man? If anything, it makes him appear even more gross to me.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@pleaseenteraname1103 There is a consensus on when life began, it was 3.8 billion years ago

[@dboan6847]

Personally, I would struggle listening to Dr Phil drone on and on and arrogantly accusing me of being "factually incorrect," all the while knowing he is the one who is incorrect. Congrats to Lila on holding it together.

[@bebravebestrongbetrue7420]

"Personally, I would struggle listening to Dr Phil drone on and on and arrogantly accusing me of being "factually incorrect," all the while knowing he is the one who is incorrect." Normal people would struggle listening to people "drone on and on" because that's not a conversation even if this freak thinks it is because of how he was raised. He thinks the purpose of "talking to" people is to actually "talk at" them. He expects people to wait until he gives them permission to "speak" before they do, as if they are dogs trained to "speak" on command the way a dog is trained to bark when given the command "speak." It's one thing to actually have a conversation with someone as arrogant as Dr. Phil and another thing to be "talked at" by arrogant Karen's like him. We all have neighbors, family members and coworkers who are a "Crazy Uncle Phil" or a "Crazy Coworker Phil" but most of us set clear boundaries when a little boy acts like he does. If a co-worker told us not to interrupt them when speaking, we would turn to them and say, 'I will speak when I wish to speak and if you don't like it then don't talk to me, child."

[@bulletanarchy6447]

He's not accusing her of being factually incorrect, he is stating her claim is factually incorrect

[@bulletanarchy6447]

As she cites a study that her claim is based on then Phil is calling that study factually incorrect and then he says go look at different sources to see the different viewpoints.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

That is then a bit of an odd situation because the study she is talking about isn't about whether life begins at conception. It is a study about whether a group of people called the science community mostly believe the same thing. So Phil is basically saying that in his experience the results of that study are not accurate. Because she interrupted him, she turned the argument into whether he believes life begins at conception which was not what he was arguing about. If she had just presented her argument as based on a study instead of saying this study is correct because she wants to believe it and shut up Phil, then the discussion could have progressed.

[@shannonmaria22]

I triple dog dare Dr. Phil to invite Trent on his show to debate round 2! They’d end up scrapping the episode. 😂

[@bulletanarchy6447]

The wonderful Trent

[@tpomero]

I disagree. Women have extra wait in the fight against abortion. It's much, much more difficult to pull the "You're just a sexist man." Card

[@mbb--]

I'm tired of "empathy" being invoked to justify killing people.

[@katherinecheng9360]

Well it’s not really empathy if we only consider one side of the argument. Besides, we are talking about human life here. All life is important, not just the lives of adult human beings.

[@MrsYasha1984]

Oh my... poor Lila... I would not have been able to be so calm in the face of such evil. She's amazing. I'm so glad she takes this on! But my heart bleeds for all the people in this show walking in the dark and doing horrible things, thinking it's their right...

[@EstudioVoitheia]

Agree!

[@Taegyn_Artemis]

You're hilarious and sad. Lila is the real evil.

[@trevornunn3285]

Jesus was pro-abortion, silly. Read yer bable

[@illyrian9976]

@@Taegyn_Artemis Preventing the murder of babies is evil in your eyes?

[@Taegyn_Artemis]

@@illyrian9976 Preventing women from getting health care is, yes.

[@theratzingercenter]

Wasn't Phil complaining about being interrupted, or was that one-sided, because Lila wasn't given this luxury.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

What did she have to say that couldn't wait for Dr Phil to finish ?

[@synanthony]

“The baby is not there!” Then why do you need a procedure if it’s nothing?

[@bulletanarchy6447]

That's like asking why you need contraception if it is not a baby yet

[@amask99]

@@bulletanarchy6447 With contraception, the baby doesn't exist. But after conception- it does

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@amask99 You assert that is the case so it must be correct ? I was pointing out the flaw in the logic of "Why do you need a procedure if it’s nothing?" I could say why do you need contraception if it's nothing ?

[@littledrummergirl_19]

@@bulletanarchy6447 contraception works “against” (contra) conception aka fertilization. Abortion kills a zygote/fetus/embryo. One takes place before pregnancy, the other takes place after pregnancy has begun. So what are you aborting if there’s no baby? Contraception stops fertilization from happening so there’s no baby in the first place. That’s not the same as killing one. (I’m morally against contraception as a Catholic but just explaining the difference) And actually what you said, which you think is a rebuttal, actually proves her point. What are you aborting if there’s no baby, and beyond that, what are you attempting to stop from coming to be with contraception if conception doesn’t create a baby? Do you think that abortion is basically a form of contraception?

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@littledrummergirl_19 Abortion stops birth so there is no baby Abortion is not a form of contraception, it is a form of birth control.

[@akak8299]

Lil was so classy and calm despite being thrown into the lion's den.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Yeah right

[@frankmcgowan9457]

​@@bulletanarchy6447 I admire how purely classy all of your comments are!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@frankmcgowan9457 Why change a winning strategy ? The Top 30 Pro Life Movies 30 Ovary The Top 29 Clear and Pregnant Danger 28 The Texas Cervical Massacre 27 Snow White and the Seven Abortions 26 One Hundred and One Dilations 25 Panama Birth Canal 24 Citizen Zygote 23 The Ovum Wears Prada 22 Fallopian and Furious 21 Baby Divider 20 Deep Implant 19 The Thing 18 The Placenta Codes 17 For a Few Hormones More 16 The Usual Cervix 15 Womb Raider 14 Dial A for Abortion 13 There Will be Blood 12 The Dead Fetus Society 11 Silence of the Prams 10 Fetal Attraction 09 Dilation of a Wimpy Kid 08 Children of Absolutely Not Men 07 The Clinic (Suspense Horror) 06 Inglorious Baby Killing Basterds 05 No Uterus for Old White Men 04 Little Miss Carriage 03 Brokenwater Mountain 02 Million Dollar Baby 01 Abortion Hustle

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@frankmcgowan9457 Classy like your saviour Trump kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZawlnefndysqMk

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@frankmcgowan9457 Actually I am grateful for your remark, it explains a lot about how you think of it. One of the few honest things pro life have ever said to me. The anchor, the thing that remains true in your psychology when everything else has been proven to be a lie.

[@akak8299]

Here's the findings of "Biologists' Consensus on 'When Life Begins'" by Steve Jacobs: Overall, 95% of all biologists affirmed the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization (5212 out of 5502).

[@Tttb95]

Need to stay away from this. Consensus isnt science. Thats not how science works. We need to stay with conception is the moment where a living organism has a unique identity.

[@akak8299]

@@Tttb95 The argument here is the Dr Phil was claiming that there was no concensus. He simply was wrong. There is a concensus and overwhelmingly high. But still youre wrong. Consensus is in fact science. They are used in research and they are used in statistics.

[@Tttb95]

​@@akak8299 The reply to that is thats not how science works. Did the sun stop revolving around the earth after Copernicus? No, it never did. Truth is truth whether or not humanity accepts it or not. The general consensus among gender studies "experts" is that there is more than two genders. Is that true as well? Consensus can also very easily be an appeal to authority, which is not a good argument at all. We literally have biological facts on our side. We do not need to go this low in our arguments. At conception a unique, living organism of genus species homo sapien is created. That is the only argument we need. And if they ask follow ups or deny, then we use Trents question of :"well then what is it?". Then they have no response.

[@ZekeMagnar]

Very minor quibble, but it’s 96%. And Taylor, your posts are being shadow-banned, which means that you can see your posts but that we cannot. Would you mind repeating your argument?

[@rooforlife]

​@@akak8299 Doctors thought before the 1980s that infants didnt feel pain during surgery so they operated on them without anesthesia they were wrong.

[@junacebedo888]

That Dr Phil show is not a neutral ground. It was like a kangaroo court. They don't want evidence. They just want to say 'you are a liar therefore guilty'. Lila should have not gone there

[@officialmkamzeemwatela]

It actually really helped her to go there, just like Matt Walsh, you forget there are people who watch these shows who have never heard these points. Same thing happened to Matt and it actually worked against the trans argument- same thing here, this clip of Lila has gone viral. I did not even know who she was before this. This set up often does not bear in mind that just by virtue of ganging up on one person they put the audience in that person’s corner. Lila was very simple and that’s actually why it works. She used simple logic, sometimes quoting too many statistics makes you look disingenuous as opposed to simple quotes like “ivf is creating a life”- I think this video is presuming that audiences are interrogating statistics. We’re not, we’re watching body language and the simplest person can spot disingenuousness a mile away. So that is actually why she was effective. They came across as bullies and that makes us listen to her.

[@junacebedo888]

@@officialmkamzeemwatela Points that are ignored by people that needs them to be enlightened

[@bulletanarchy6447]

If she wants to give evidence she can but not in the middle of what Dr Phil is saying. Just because she wants to contradict him doesn't mean she gets to cut him short.

[@HabibJackson]

She was outnumbered, ambushed from every side, yet she still fought back with a calm spirit & mind. God bless her :-). May i also get the same calm spirit & mind when i am faced with such fierce opposition from all sides!

[@Knate1104]

If a guy murders a pregnant woman, he’s typically charged with TWO counts of first degree murder. So how can that be if an unborn baby isn’t a person?

[@daisyadele967]

That's not always true. It depends on the state and how far a long she is. In the Bible, it states that if a woman is pregnant and someone kills the fetus, then that person has to pay a fine. It's not considered a murder.

[@middlefinger1565]

If it has a heartbeat (which an unborn baby DOES have)...then it is a living thing. Ergo...it is technically considered a person. You pro-abortion people have a lot of learning to do when it comes to fetuses.

[@middlefinger1565]

@@daisyadele967 Have you NOT heard of King Herod? In the Bible...he was the original abortionist. And he was a butcher. He wanted to kill Christ at birth. And Herod's son got revenge on Jesus during the Passion.

[@daisyadele967]

@Middle Finger #1 a heartbeat, only does not make someone alive. I guess that's something that can be argued. The brain is where the consciousness and life come from. It takes more than a heartbeat to make someone alive. There's machines that can keep the heart going, but if the brain isn't working, then there's no life.

[@daisyadele967]

@@middlefinger1565 king Herold killed all babies under 2. That's not an abortion. He killed already born babies. There's a big difference between that and something during the first trimester not born yet.

[@Jerome616]

She got scolded for interrupting but then DR. Phil interrupted her several times later.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

She doesn't get to say her beliefs are better than his by interrupting which is what she was trying to do. Basically she said "Dr Phil, you shut up, my pro life resources say your argument doesn't exist and I believe them."

[@barbarascott828]

The “doc” asked her to not interrupt while he went through his tirade, yet when he “allowed” her to answer, she never completed her comment , because he interrupted along with others. Basically, his interruptions showed her that her ( and everyone else) argument was non existent and totally ignored. He allowed emotion, instead of logic to lead this topic. “Doc Phil” , as a (supposedly) fair host, proved his inability to be fair, allowed his audience to brow beat her and was overbearing to his guest Lila Rose.

[@richvestal767]

"The literature doesn't disagree..." After he LITERALLY just said that there's no consensus and that it does disagree. You've got to be kidding me?!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

What are you talking about

[@gustaftheone9279]

That was hard to watch due to how disingenuous Dr Phil was. He’s showcasing very rare cases. People do that when they know they’re argument isn’t solid

[@mcrummey]

Presenting the hard cases enabled Lila to address the issue that is usually rhetorical. It think the fetal hospice/palliative care struck a chord. How many OBs/PP clinics are informing their patients about these options? Is this "Pro-Choice" industry really giving choices, or just a narrow path to abortion? I think giving pro-lifers an opportunity to address it on national television is a good thing.

[@irishandscottish1829]

@@mcrummey they don’t give ‘choice’. I went to the ‘family planing clinic’ here in Scotland to confirm my pregnancy when I was 18. Immediately the ‘doctor’ told me I could have an abortion and I should consider it because I am going to destroy my life being a young single mum. Then when I went to my own GP practise again I was told to consider an abortion several times and while being young, alone, terrified about being pregnant young - how my parents would react and dealing with hormones all over the place I had to fight back telling them abortion was even a consideration and to stop bringing it up and that a baby will not destroy my life it will just be tougher and I will have to put the baby first

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@irishandscottish1829 Poor you having to decide what to do.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

In what way was he disingenuous ? what argument ?

[@nofragmentado]

Bravo to Lila 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 All My respect. On the other hand with this “Psycologist” saying that Science not agree. He is a liar talking big fallacies. Thank you Trent!!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting. Dr Phil was correct

[@Drea62621]

He took medical courses to get that degree. What medical background does she have. She’s making it a religious issue and it’s not.

[@lisaherrling6880]

I am amazed at "Dr." Phil's stance. He has claimed on his show to be a Christian. I question that. To Lila Rose: You go, gurl! Stand strong!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@jacquelinealthoff5842]

Me too. I'm shocked and disappointed in dr phil

[@patriciahopkins8348]

Abortion instructions for priests to use on women whose husbands thought they were cheating is in the Bible. The Bible says life begins with breath all the way back to Adam. Your literature does not agree with your opinion. Fact.

[@majorleaguelag]

You know he does it for the cameras

[@Granny976]

Everything he does is for ratings. His claim to fame is telling Oprah how amazing she is. That’s what got him on the air.

[@alecfoster5542]

The woman in the audience talking about the rape victim is a really bad actress.

[@mcrummey]

Have grace. I don't know her, but she could have personal experience with rape and/or abortion. She was emotional and it is hard to engage in dialogue when emotions are high and the issue feels personally existential. I have reached fight/flight response on much less intense issues.

[@kyrieeleison1905]

A total plant

[@johnburke8337]

The hardest part of this was having to listen to Dr. Phil even though Lila did great. The audience member also feels like a plant by the show, I just can't shake that

[@jackblanco8150]

obviously a plant (Delphi method)

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@veronicac1199]

It’s so hard to have these conversations…especially with family members. It’s unfortunate because I’m not angry at people for having opposing views yet they get so heated and upset for being pro life like as if we’re the evil ones. There’s just no room for conversation anymore and it’s sad. But I’ve learned a lot about how to have these conversations from you and Lila as well as others and I’m grateful. Thank you and God bless.

[@humphreyobanor866]

Lila is a shining light. God bless her.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@humphreyobanor866]

@@bulletanarchy6447 nobody is kissing anyone's ass, she boldly went against all these people for a good cause and made more sense than all of them. I don't know about her personal life, and no one is perfect but when someone does something praiseworthy she should be honoured. We live in a world of cowardice, where people are so bold online and don't do much in society.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@humphreyobanor866 She went to spread pro life lies and you think the sun shines out her butt. She is appalling

[@humphreyobanor866]

@@bulletanarchy6447 since you know better than her, why not do something about it. Instead of going through comments. Take a bigger stand for your position. You are no less of a human being.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@humphreyobanor866 Dr Phil didn't invite me to talk on his show and I don't consider pro life a good cause so why would I want to do what she did?

[@thewalruswasjason101]

He said it all when he said “ I don’t care what I think “

[@manavaohea6027]

Right?

[@bulletanarchy6447]

What don't you understand about what he thinks not being relevant to whether there is a consensus ? I guess expecting pro life to understand anything is asking a bit much

[@myhatmygandhi6217]

@@bulletanarchy6447 I'd like to know where he stands on when human life begins, but I get the feeling that he wouldn't like to share his views because I think he knows himself that he can't defend it. He only shares his own beliefs when he feels he can defend it, otherwise he'll stay quiet and sit on the fence, just to avoid being wrong.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@myhatmygandhi6217 Absolutely maybe he is pro life and he knows himself that he can't defend it.

[@myhatmygandhi6217]

@@bulletanarchy6447 He's pro choice and he can't defend it because he can't make a claim of when life begins. If he doesn't know when life begins then you can't argue with him because he's afraid to make a claim and back it up.

[@bearistotle2820]

"Women deserve better than abortion" should be a pro-life slogan, that is gold!

[@quinnlarnachjones]

Amen to that!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Women deserve better than anti choice

[@bearistotle2820]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Advocating that women kill their progeny and do such horrible violence to their own bodies is the exact opposite of being "pro-women".

[@mbb--]

It doesn't work and comes across as condescending because many women, even knowing all the facts, want legal abortion. However, not all wants should be gratified--the desire to eliminate another human being to benefit one's own life is one of them. The point is that CHILDREN deserve better than abortion.

[@joshuadouma999]

@@mbb-- They also deserve better than the current foster care system. Why don't we all work on that before debating on whether a process like gestation, which can go horribly wrong and be harmful for a pregnant female, should be mandated every time a female gets knocked up?

[@yourbiggest1fan]

She has so much poise. Also I didn't realize how lost Dr. Phil was. He needs to see the light

[@lynncw9202]

Yes and he is supposed to be a Christian. I thought Christians were against abortions!!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@NHarts21]

I’ve “won” several online debates using a lot of the techniques that I’ve learned from you, Trent! I’m also a Stephanie Gray fangirl. She’s deadly smart. The pro-abortion talking points are always the same. Eventually the pro-aborts give up because they quickly back themselves into a corner. I felt as you did that Lyla “should’ve said this” or “should’ve said that,” but she actually had the courage to go out there and make a case for life. She was in a very hard situation and she handled herself very well. She was a professional. It’s easy to sit and judge when you’re not the one in the pressure cooker. More pro-lifers need to have the courage to fight for the unborn. The reason pro-lifers get treated like lepers on shows like this is because the truth is on our side. I think deep down most pro-choicers know that abortion is wrong. They won’t admit it but they know.

[@MikeyJMJ]

I agree that deep down most of them know it's wrong but they have to convince themselves it's a "necessary evil". They have to constantly stimulate these doubts with more soundbites in the same way a trangender woman can't afford to miss a daily puberty blocker/ estrogen tablet.

[@janetaposuk9730]

Yes Nat, they know deep down in their hearts that it's true and they don't want to accept the truth

[@probaskinnyman4960]

Stephanie Gray should be known as a freaking philosopher, js sayin ;P

[@hcho7776]

If Phil was a pro life, his show will cancel in a heart beat

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

Why should human life have the same value in all its stages of development? Why should anyone have more say about a woman's body than herself? Until there are satisfactory, objective answers to these questions, the pro-birth lobby doesn't have a leg to stand on

[@dezericka]

Listening to Mr. Phil stall was so cringe

[@bulletanarchy6447]

What was so important about what she had to say that couldn't wait until he finished?

[@alecfoster5542]

Not to sound uncharitable, but Dr. Phil is a dullard TV personality with no argument at all.

[@definitelynotaheretic.7295]

He also interrupted the daylights out of her.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

He never claimed to have an argument, he claimed that there are people who have.

[@chloewilson9898]

She is incredible and so brave.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@chloewilson9898]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Had to make sure you don't forget. Stick around to see if we do say something interesting! Oh... it looks like you are given how many comments you have left. May God change you and bless you.

[@richvestal767]

He keeps saying "the scientific literature" but he doesn't bother citing any actual specific literature. His claim is so vague that it's fallacious and absurd.

[@mcrummey]

He does vaguely cite a neurologist study. This is scientism at it's worst. Appeal to scientific authority that you don't understand but seems to support your view. Which "scientist" is responsible for determining life is a Philosophical question. IMO the common sense understanding of life is biological, not neurological. Lila says he is talking about personhood...which neuroscience may have a discussion in....from a utilitarian sense, but that can easily lead to eugenics.....which is how Jews and Africans were left out of the "all men created equal" clause of modernity. They were "scientifically" determined to lack personhood.

[@richvestal767]

@@mcrummey I wouldn't even say that the common understanding of when life begins is either biological or neurological, it's ethical. This boils down to the fundamental first principle of how someone sees the world, and in this instance how someone sees the human being. Biology and neurology can inform you in that view surely, and it ought to. But that's not what Dr. Phil is doing here. He's not just some honest searcher who's allowing his view on life to be informed by neurology, what he's doing is cherry picking neurology because it serves to confirm his a-priori ethical position in favor of abortion. It's at best disengenuous.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@mcrummey When slavery began I am fairly sure there was no scientific justification it was simply codes of law dictating how slaves fit in society. A slave has never been part of the slave owner's body, any analogy with a born person is fatally flawed logic.

[@mcrummey]

@@richvestal767 I agree with you and I think your explanation is better than mine.

[@mcrummey]

@@bulletanarchy6447 I agree with you that slavery did not rely on logic or racism necessarily. My point of reference is the collision between Enlightenment (individuals and societies) and slavery (that clearly was a violation of those principles) that led to the tactic that all men (persons) are created equal, but this race is not a person (using "scientific" justifications). The comparison to this situation is that moderns continue to use "science" to deny personhood to a child in the womb, thereby denying rights while giving the appearance of a just society. This happened with Thomas Jefferson and slavery...he knew it was wrong, but made up reasons it was okay....but it was wrong regardless. Thanks!

[@reystacy7778]

Seems Dr Phil is a much of a science guy as Bill Nye

[@allenallen2508]

🤣🤣🤣 bil nye

[@bulletanarchy6447]

More of a science guy than she is

[@reystacy7778]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Dr. Phil is a Dr. like Jill Biden is a doctor. Bill Nye is the Engineer guy. Lila Rose is exactly what she says she is, Lila Rose. Before the conversation even started Phil was a deceiver. If you're cool with that good for you, that's your prerogative.

[@derrick7442]

Lila is such a rockstar.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@pauldotto5130]

Could you discuss what's going on with the German Bishops when you have the opportunity? Thank you!

[@MM22272]

Super review, Trent! This review shows that a more advanced strategy and training is required to polish the delivery of skilled debating. Blessings on Trent and Lila!

[@stevenchavez5979]

Definitely looking a Dr. Phil differently now. Not a big fan of celebrities in general but him now less than before.

[@MVTX]

He's been woke for a long time. He does fakes this Texan tough guy act..

[@EpoRose1]

I used to watch him, but started noticing about 8 or so years ago, a lot of his “advice” included products from his wife’s company and books published by his son’s company.

[@hogandonahue9598]

Lmao that was clearly a shark attack. She held her own very well.

[@Mari_Oh]

I'm sure knew going in that it would be a shark attack, and she went anyway.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

In what way was she treated badly ?

[@evelyndelpilar9609]

thank you so much for everything that you do in catholic world. it really gives me a new perspective in some of hard controversial topic. it also gives me a realization that in order to defend certain topic you need to learn, read ,understand and invistigate . thank you again. I would want to see you speak here in Dallas.

[@catholicdisciple3232]

I'm glad to see Trent's YT page is growing. One of the best apologists!

[@lois2997]

He is

[@jonathanstensberg]

It’s always hard in an overwhelmingly hostile environment, but one of the best things that you can do is let others speak with minimal interruption. It generally lowers the temperature, avoids getting bogged down in unproductive tangents, affords more leeway to control the direction of debate, and generally permits you to articulate more complete thoughts in rebuttal rather than little blurbs.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Yeah so what was so important about what she had to say that couldn't wait for Phil to finish ?

[@jmctigret]

I think the lady lashing out might had a abortion.

[@jakeszig]

This was such an excellent breakdown. I wish you could have been on the show to school them all!

[@caritamundo9316]

Dr. Phill should try debating jimmy akin or jordan peterson

[@johnburke8337]

Dr. Phil would get wrecked

[@allenallen2508]

Oh he wouldn't stand a chance against peterson

[@johnburke8337]

@@allenallen2508 Dr Phil would struggle against a 4th grader honestly 😂

[@GarthDomokos]

"There is no consensus when life begins. At least I hope so, so my television ratings don't drop. Now please don't interrupt me because I want to be the center of attention".

[@njohn6995]

Lila is so brave.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@jlj2138]

Thank you Trent for sharing this and commenting on this.

[@katherinesawaya4853]

Yes he never cared before, he gets interrupted all the time on his show. I love the truth and how it cuts through anyone and the reactions are telling.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Dr Phil is correct

[@evelyndelpilar9609]

Lila Rose you did awesome your not alone God is with you.

[@denniswakabayashi9000]

Lila is an idiot. Simple biology destroys the belief that the conception/zygote is already a one of a kind individual human being since 2 or more human beings can come from the same conception/zygote.

[@hunterkarr5618]

@@denniswakabayashi9000she has 100x bigger balls than you dude Get a life

[@mickellbrown3]

Every time I watch this I just get so frustrated with doctor Phil. He is completely abusing his position of power in this moment, trying to make Lila look stupid or mean or whatever and then stating things as facts that are clearly absurd. I hate this because in this moment, he is a part of the perpetuation of our toxic culture toward pro life people and a perpetuator of confusion and misinformation. It’s infuriating.

[@nyustv210]

Bookmarking this and re watching and learning better debate skills thank you!!! Your video only enhanced the already amazing responses from Lila.

[@ATageH]

Lila Rose is SO amazing...wow!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@JW-sg7tt]

The whole, “we don’t know when life begins” position is very convenient for people who don’t want to know the truth. If they know the truth, then they have to face the fact that abortion is murder. Ignorance is their strategy, and they will do anything to ignore, or change the discussion as to block out the noise of the truth. You can’t run from the truth, it will come back to haunt you. Lying to yourself is foolish. There’s a reason these people are so emotional when arguing. It pains them to hear what they don’t want to hear, because they are in fact not willing to have a discussion and learn. They desire to spend their entire lives in an echo chamber.

[@kynesilagan2676]

I remembered Fr. Mitch Pacwa experiencing the same. God Bless Lila. And Thank you.

[@Rusty_Shakleford]

Do you mean that one debate he did where he was debating two different protestants at the same time and the moderator who kept butting in with his two cents and his 2 cents always favored the protestant side? I remember that. I think the other men actually got the best of that debate (Diddnt mean they were right) but Fr. Did a great job considering he was outnumbered and even the moderator felt the need to not be neutral.

[@killianmiller6107]

I recently had a discussion with an agnostic lady (maybe former Muslim) about the Church’s sexual ethics, particularly on homosexuality, as well as what love is. I began by explaining how we believe there are two ends to sex, the procreative and the unitive, and because homo couples cannot fulfill the reproductive end it is inherently a sinful act. Her objection went something like “there are hetero couples with disabilities, impotence, infertility, sterility, etc, who the Church would recognize as valid even though they can’t reproduce, therefore the Church is inconsistent because it doesn’t recognize validity in homo couples who can’t reproduce; are you saying that homo couples cannot love each other romantically the way hetero couples can?” My immediate response was to make a distinction between the impossibility of reproduction from homosexuality compared to how infertile hetero couples could still be open to it by God’s grace. I furthermore asked what she thought the purpose of sex was, and she denied the necessity of reproduction (or the attempt) in favor of it being primarily for pleasure (unitive end). I guess I’m asking how we would best respond to this. In the heat of the moment I struggled to offer a quick answer; sexual ethics is a very sensitive topic that is hard to argue for without the first laying the Christian groundwork. I looked up what the Church teaches about impotency in marriage and learned something new that the Church doesn’t permit the sacrament of matrimony to couples with antecedent and permanent impotency because they cannot validly fulfill the marital vow; furthermore there is a distinction between impotency and sterility. I wonder how bringing this fact up would have led the conversation.

[@user-sf8mn9ed3d]

My, very limited, understanding is that the Church makes a distinction between the "natures" of the two kinds of sex. A heterosexual couple, even if infertile, can engage in sexual acts that, by their nature, are ordered towards procreation. A homosexual couple cannot. "By their nature" means something to the effect of "it is proper to that act, even if that particular act does not have that thing." It kind of muddies the discussion that there are a very wide number of acts that colloquially are called "sex" but only one of those acts is considered morally licit by the Church (because that act is the only one which, by it's nature, is open to procreation). A potentially easier way to understand "nature" is that it is in the nature of a human being to have two arms, that doesn't mean that someone stops being a human being just because they lack one (or two) arms. Having two arms is a part of human nature, and we can recognize it as a lack of something proper to the individual when someone lacks one or both arms (but that isn't a moral deficiency for that individual). Licit sex doesn't become illicit simply because it lacks something proper to it. Furthermore, if someone tries to remove their own (healthy) arm, or someone else's arm, we can recognize that as an attack on the person (similar to how contraception is an attack against the proper nature of sex). Even though some people lack arms it doesn't make it okay to just remove arms. Just because some people are infertile, it doesn't mean that deliberately causing infertility is okay. All that said, I'm not sure it helps much in an informal debate since most people will either (a) deny the premise that the nature of a thing matters at all or (b) say something to the effect of "that's too complicated" and dismiss the point. I also may be wrong in my explanation, but that is my current understanding.

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

It's not only that homosexual sex thwarts the procreative end of sex, but the unitive as well. I don't think that the Church's teaching about the two ends of sex should be understood as separate, because I think that the end of sex is not twofold: it's only unitive, understanding this as the union of two incomplete complementary parts. If the sexual act is to be a token of true love and not mere mutual search of selfish pleasure, the spouses must be open to truly complete each other with whatever and however they can. In a homosexual couple there's not even the biological possibility of completing each other; it's like having the two same halves of different dollar bills that can't buy you anything. But if you have the two halves of one, then you can tape them together and now they have a value that wasn't there before, regardless of whether you end up buying something or not (regardless of whether one of them is infertile, or they have sex during an infertile period). The spouses have a potential value that can only be actualized in a sexual union that is open to life. The sexual act is body language for total surrender and gift of one's entire life. To engage in contraceptive sex is a lie because we are not giving fully, since we are depriving the other from the one thing that fulfills the end of two halves of a reproductive system coming together as one (not unitive). We have something that completes the other, like half of the puzzle pieces, and we join the two halves to become one (this is the unitive end), but one (or both) keeps and destroys one of the pieces. It's like giving somebody a gift of a car and keeping the keys. Or like buying an engagement ring that symbolizes our willingness to give our entire life to become one new life with the other and, before the proposal, we pluck out the diamond and sell it for selfish profit. Contraceptive sex is a fraud.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

What if your partner doesn't enjoy it ? is that ok because they are not getting pleasure therefore only I am sinful and the person on the receiving end is ok ?

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

@@bulletanarchy6447 I understand that the pleasure is integral element in the complementary union. The goal of completing the other is not separate from the goal of giving pleasure, like a meal prepared with love will not only seek to provide nutrition but also pleasure. But the act is not rendered meaningless if for whatever reason the pleasure is absent, just like a flavorless meal can still seek to provide nutrition, even if circumstances (like extreme poverty) preclude the possibility for pleasure. Of course, if the lack of pleasure is due to lack of effort (typically, though not exclusively on the men's side), that can also be a failure in completing the other, a less than perfect manifestation of love.

[@inrisalvatore9520]

Dude, maybe it is time for you to come to terms with the fact that the christianity can not answer this question, because the christianity is false! Give me a definition of "sin" and i bet that this definition is going to be redundant or contradictory.

[@wes4736]

My favorite thing Dr. Phil does is whenever he's on the backfoot, he begins to filibuster; he talks a lot slower to drag out wherever he has to say, adding filler words where they aren't needed to make it look like he says more than he actually is. Like when he says he's being interrupted you can literally hear him go "you're interrupting me ..... Because..... You don't....want me to.....finish what..... I have to say."

[@briodrone]

Hey Trent, I don’t see the link to your new booklet. Can you please send it to me? Thank you for what you do!

[@paulmualdeave5063]

If the child is a reminder of the rape, why don’t pro-choice people push for the rapist to be executed for rape? Isn’t the rapist a reminder of the rape too? If the argument is logical for the one it needs to be logical for the other.

[@malgrosskreuz01]

Because they don’t actually care about the mother. I’m pro-life and pro-death penalty, especially for rape

[@robertanderson866]

Dr, Phil acted like an arrogant fool...

[@homoecce31]

She never lose her temper by stating the truth. She did a good job.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

She stated an arguable point and then just argued by saying she believes it.

[@lois2997]

@@bulletanarchy6447 we get it you believe in murder

[@philip506]

18:09 …or this woman could be a paid actor (as well as those who start clapping first). I do not suggest to act in a different way, but we should never underestimate the level of wiliness of some parts of the other side. At the end of the day it is as well an industry as from the devil, so they will pull out all the stops. God bless Lila Rose!

[@philip506]

And be assured that that Dr. Phil is knowing very well, which position he is about to give the floor among the audience. That is the very least, which is planned in advance. This is not a conspiracy theory but common sense.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@philip506 Phil is a P- Word

[@Mark-bc3lb]

Where can I go to debate someone about this issue?

[@quinnlarnachjones]

Any university campus, right?

[@kimberHD45]

In my opinion, she did a fantastic job and you’re correct on every point, but what stuck out to me was a glaring display of projection. The accusations of a lack of empathy would have been met with a loud “pot meet kettle” retort by me, followed by a “I’m not going to listen to a lecture about empathy by someone comfortable with hacking a defenseless baby in excruciating pain of death into little pieces”. What blind arrogance and callous hatred for others does one have to possess to first advocate for butchering of children and then suggest others have an empathy problem. These people are sick.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion. There is no right to live inside another person and an unborn is only a person with an age of less than zero.

[@sidtom2741]

Lord forgive me for never having been punched in the face with incredible pro-life arguments that Lila has provided. Phenomenal work, lila

[@bulletanarchy6447]

What pro life arguments ?

[@sidtom2741]

@@bulletanarchy6447 have you not seen the video lol?

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@sidtom2741 There are no pro life arguments

[@sidtom2741]

@@bulletanarchy6447 what the heck do you mean?

[@chi9153]

@@bulletanarchy6447 the pro abortion arguments are nothing but 'it's inconvenient ' nothing .else

[@TheJbrammo]

Great Trent...Amen brother!!!

[@housecry]

I agree with your critique about citing sources when appealing to authority. However, it's better in this situation with an audience of mostly women to stick to plain facts. Lila didn't need to cite sources until Dr. Phil tried to misrepresent what science reveals about human development. She is right to focus on what we know through our experience first as human beings and secondly as women. Since pro-choice advocates insist this is an issue about a "woman's right" that's the issue that needs to be questioned. Lila was getting there when she said, "A right to do what?" The woman representing NOW affirmed their view that abortion should be permissible throughout the entire pregnancy because if it's a "woman's right" then the development of the child is pointless to know. Reasonable human beings are not okay with late term abortions for the obvious fact that it's very clear you have a child. If Lila had been given a fair platform and each side was allowed to question the other without interruptions she could have clearly stated what the pro-life position is and why the pro-choice position can't be accepted. However, despite the bias of the other guests on the show and Dr. Phil's mediation or lack of mediation I think Lila did a wonderful job.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting. I don't see why she couldn't wait until Dr Phil had finished before contradicting him. Why does she need to stop him from saying that ? Because what Dr Phil said is true and the study she cites is BS

[@Cng0308]

Hi, Trent. I've been trying to find information on what the Vatican is doing to help Cardinal Joseph Zen who, as you probably know, is standing trial in Hong Kong but by everything I've found, it seems like he has been completely abandoned. Do you know whether Pope Francis is doing anything for him or not and if he's not, could you possibly comment on why, please?

[@TheDukekiller]

Blessings to you brother

[@461weavile]

Trent got the YT badge of honor! KZbin's context banner making sure everybody knows Trent is being brutally honest and unwaveringly truthful.

[@bigbrowntrout1]

Lila did an amazing job. God bless her! I would love to see you Trent or Stephanie Gray Connors on this platform because you are both so good at empathizing with the opposite side but coming back to the rational argument at hand, without letting them get you off track...but, like you said, they probably would have cut out all of your great points/arguments. It seemed like a demagogue on this platform, notice that Lila was the only pro-life guest and everyone else seemed against her.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@VictoriaCatolica]

GOD BLESS LILA.......AND GOD HELP PHIL I CAAANT WITH HIS SLOW SPEAKING TO MAKE A FREAKING POINT SOUND MORE VALID

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@archiecoolsdown5854]

THAT IS ONE TOUGH AND COMPASSIONATE WOMAN WHOSE VOICE MATTERS.

[@rooforlife]

There is an article" Life Begins at Conception: All the Science Citations" Scott Smith September 05, 2018 "Human life begins at fertilization." -Every embryology textbook ever Ever needed to defend the statement: "life begins at conception"? Just in case, I've created the following list of quotes and citations from embryology textbooks....

[@pamelaconstantine170]

I found your video quite intriguing. I have always been pro choice when it comes to government interference. I was pregnant at 16 and I knew immediately that I wanted and intended to have my baby. She is now 28 years old and the love of my life. I’ve always believed I wouldn’t chose abortion for myself or to put it more accurately my child, but I believed people had the right to chose for themselves. Out of all the debates I’ve heard over the years I find yours to be the most intellectually accurate and effective. I’m a month shy of my 46th birthday and for the first time in my life, you have me questioning my viewpoint on the legality of abortions. The moral aspect of abortion is a different conversation in my opinion. And I am not going to get into that here or now, but I thank you for giving me something to really think about. Giving me a chance to question an important issue that I previously felt certain I would never change my opinion on. It’s never to late in life to learn. Thank you again.

[@hunterkarr5618]

🔥

[@LieslHeston]

Love the content Trent. Steven Crowder recently talked about Cardinal Zen and the Vatican. Can you respond please? Thanks!

[@luiscontreras8240]

Good job, Lila! Thanks for your insight, Trent!

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Pro life supporters kissing her ass is a foregone conclusion, say something interesting.

[@luiscontreras8240]

@@bulletanarchy6447 learn to love and this will lead you to charitable dialogue, even with people who think differently than you. I find Trent's and Lila's arguments compelling. If you disagree with them you have to show which premises are wrong. Rather than creating hostility with your speech by attacking people and accusing them of what you did, you can instead present your own arguments. In this way, you will "say something interesting."

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@luiscontreras8240 Really ? what was Lila's arguments ?

[@luiscontreras8240]

@@bulletanarchy6447 Really? Bullet Anarchy, you need to do argument reconstructions. They take work, but you need to do them. Trent provided one already. If you can provide us with an argument reconstruction, for all to see, you will indeed be saying something interesting. Once you do that, everyone will see and we will know that we are having a dialogue. Otherwise, all will know that you are not interested in dialogue but in projecting your hate towards people that you not agree with.

[@bulletanarchy6447]

@@luiscontreras8240 How would I give an argument reconstruction, Phil didn't give an argument, you are claiming that Lila's argument is compelling, I didn't see anything compelling. Surely if it was as good as you say then you could state what it is.

[@fadibuni]

How to answer those that say human beings have no value in of themselves?

[@bulletanarchy6447]

Is that a question ?

[@ungas024]

17:24 This woman is an actress, noticed how she already have an attached mic when this is supposed to be random? These degenerate show should be cancelled by promoting murder of the unborn.

[@believer8793]

The truth eventually comes out. Dr. Phil claims to be a Christian along with his good friend TD Jakes. But these men have sold out for Mamon.

[@bethanyboothe4817]

That Lila immediately challenged Dr Phil when he said there’s not a scientific consensus that life begins at conception was very bold. Good on her!

[@bryn850]

We should live by what God says🙏🏽What science says is not important.

[@denniswakabayashi9000]

Simple biology destroys the belief that the conception/zygote is already a human being since 2 or more human beings can come from the same conception/zygote.

[@lucylulu1544]

He is definitely baiting her with 1/2 truths.

[@stephanietobin9957]

I’m having a hard time finding the booklet…

[@johncopper5128]

Thank you.

[@ryancarroll3961]

When he said “it doesn’t matter what I think” he might as well said,”s I don’t want to piss anyone off because I’m a chicken s$$t” I can’t stand someone to do this during an interview, it shows me they are too worried about standing up for their beliefs and that’s just a coward move

[@vincewyn1396]

thank you

[@MikeyJMJ]

22:15 to 22:38 is the best advice for any aspiring pro life apologist

[@lois2997]

Dr Phil can’t handle not being in charge

[@svetlanawilson6831]

He interrupted her much more times than she did. Double standards again😏 Thank you for the video, it is very helpful arguments.

[@TOBYH]

I ACTUALLY USED TO LIKE DR. PHIL, NOT ANY MORE. HE TALKS DOWN TO THE GUESTS. LIKE EVERYONE IS NOT AS SMART AS HE IS. SHE IS.

[@ColeB-jy3mh]

Lol, the question of; when does life begin? Is wayyy out if Dr.Phil’s wheel house. He’s a physiologist not a biologist….. love that…. Very good point

[@FiatMihiSecundumVerbum]

These videos will become archives for the future for them to see how barbaric we were.

[@62peppe62]

PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE The statement of dr Phil , that there Is no consensus in the scientific community about when life begins, Is not against the prolife stance, if the precautionary principale Is taken into account. The precautionary principle Is an approach to risk management where, if It Is possibile that a given policy or action might cause harm to the public or the environment and there Is no scientific agreement on the issue, the policy or action in questione should not be carried out. In the case of abortion, if there Is no scientific agreement about human life beginning after the gestational age in which the procedure takes place, there Is the plausibile risk that abortion may kill a living human being, so abortion shouldn't be authorized.

[@Mike-bn7kr]

I really wish the Bible had some definite easy to understand gospels that people could see clearly what it saying about life in the womb. I’ve tried to use the ones that I know of in conversations before but somehow it doesn’t seem to say exactly when life begins and that seems to be a difficult hurdle to climb over. He’s talking to another Christian in a different kind of faith will usually agree that after four weeks it’s definitely a baby it’s that time just before that that gets really fuzzy for a lot of people.

[@josephinelovsin4961]

Dr. Phil was so rude to Lila Rose.

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

I think the best argument against those who say "we don't know when life begins" is a reductio with how humans should behave when in doubt if they're taking a human life. If you're not sure that there's human life, what is the reasonable next step? Right answer: just in case, don't take any step, lest we kill an innocent. Wrong answer: just in case there is no human life, let them go ahead. If it so happens that we later find out human life had already started, what should we say: "oops, no big deal, it was a very weak and defenseless human anyway?"

[@voyello]

"How can one tell life ends without knowing what life is ?"

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

Nice. Video. Sr .Trent. Go oveer and devour that show. Haha. 🕊️👍🏼🙏🏼👌🏼😇