My Son Discovered Our Will And Now He's Furious r/Relationships

[@Puffinugginns]

For story 1 you missed a huge part of the story: lets see the son threw the will and a single picture frame (that was the supposed temper tantrum) then was screamed at by his half brothers who attempted to initiate the fight. But it was way worse in the update, remember how the dad said he was struggling to get his sons work done. Well it turns out he was given all the worst jobs many of which broke labor board rules as well as threats of fraud. The dad paid him with a bank draft to keep him quiet and admitted he had never planned on adding him to the company. Apparently the money every 5 years was capped at $,7500 so so basically nothing compared to the other brothers. A lot of missing,missing reasons floating arround.

[@Jayhoob1]

Where are getting this info from?

[@inihilisme1511]

@@Jayhoob1 "in the update"

[@MONKEYDZETS]

Markee should have researched

[@tse7677]

I genuinely was thinking NTA but with those updates his dad is definitely the AH and I believe his new wife manipulated the situation to her kids favor m. Smh

[@atty7697]

OP is an AH. He is not sorry. He only came to reddit to tell lies trying to see if he can find people to side with him because nobody except his current wife and their sons agree with the OP. What an awful man.

[@becauselifts9913]

Story 1: Markee, don't just read the BORU post. It was so much worse. The "throwing things around the house" was the son throwing the copy of the will on a table. The "nearly got in a fistfight" was the two younger sons threatening the oldest. The "racial commentary" was straight up racist and was just the son and his mother repeating what OP said during the divorce. The amount of the trust would have been about $5k every 5 years.

[@ffraine]

Link?

[@jessilynallendilla5014]

so OP is just and all around POS clearly favoriting the "new" sons, willing to throw away the years son worked for the company, pretty much cut him out of the will, and to top it off biasly wrote the post to appear in a better light, something tells me ex wife isn't as toxic as OP made her out to be either

[@scorchy_girl9820]

Link or name? Cuz damn

[@simbaladesignsinsights]

Wooooowwwww! Yeah the full picture is always so necessary

[@kaicluster6783]

Honestly this makes so much more sense... This is always the case with getting to hear the story only from one side.

[@Bkgksan625]

Story 1: So much info missing and so much can be inferred with the wording the OP uses. Also went and looked up the original post! 1. OP’s son worked for the company (so did his other two). 2. OP’s sudden refusal to work affected the work at the company. 3. The son didn’t get physical and ‘throw’ about things - he confirms in one of the comments that older son, threw the will and spoke angry words the half brothers got physical. So again, OP tries his best to portray the older son in as bad a light as he can. “My wife and son are hurt” not “My wife and brothers” - He had definitely treated the older son badly. His family against the older son and ex-wife. He has knowingly or unknowingly punished the son for what he perceives his ex-wife has done. He also doesn’t clarify what all went down before with ex-wife. If son was so bad, why was he working for the company and in a role that affected the company when he left. Don’t trust this narrative. OP hoped he would be dead before son found out and then he wouldn’t have to go through this exact fight! My instinct tells me OP is the AH!

[@TheIronwil]

OP’s Will: YTA. Leaving a lopsided will is guaranteed to cause resentment and anger. Doing it to specifically keep one son out of the business he’s been a part of for YEARS is just the icing on this crap cake. I’d have quit too. Whether OP was afraid of his son’s mother interfering, what he did was alienate a son who’s been working for him a long time.

[@brunapontes5149]

Ok but "the icing on this crap cake" sent me

[@kelly-bisson]

"Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people." I am subscribing for that comment alone.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

It's pithy, but also leaves something important out, IMO. That tradition might also be the distilled wisdom of generations of experience...the problem is telling which traditions are which, and if the traditions that are based on wisdom still apply as much as they used to. But yeah, it's witty.

[@trinitylane2202]

Story 1: I wonder how much influence OP's wife had on his decision to basically cut his oldest son out of his will. That way her two sons get to inherit everything.

[@mayamorabito1669]

She played him like a fidget and he doesn’t even begin to suspect it. He’s such a dumbass, it’s hard to imagine.

[@Ashakat42]

OP's new wife must have great oral skills.

[@PastorRapture]

Guaranteed she influenced the decision and its clear the two youngest sons are OP’s favorites.

[@cnow82]

OP in first story should have talked to his son before. Not after. Also, he doesn’t give any background about their relationship. Just saying his ex hates him.

[@ohboy-zi1yf]

it reeks of missing missing reasons. never trust a person who goes on and on about their ""crazy ex""

[@someanon1984]

That's why I'm really questioning whether or not there's a good reason why OP's son assumed racism.

[@meiimacca4054]

​@@someanon1984with a toxic mom she's gonna drill all sorts of things into the sons mind.

[@ScreamingDucksShotMyMother]

@@ohboy-zi1yfPeople who genuinely have crazy exes tend to explain why they’re crazy. Him keeping his mouth shut is wildly suspicious.

[@1_star_reviews]

@@meiimacca4054Yeah, but never trust a person that screams “crazy ex”. We can’t just take their words for face value.

[@fairychangeling8337]

Me and my son were cut out of my parents will without any knowledge or reason. Everything was getting split 50/50 between me and my sister and I found out when everyone was around that everything was being left to my sister. The hurt was so bad it ruined our family. I havent spoken to them for 3 months, I miss the family I thought we were.

[@dcg590]

Why do you not speak to her? Blame your parents

[@Puffinugginns]

Uh if you had no ill will going around did u check with a laywer to see if something shady happened?

[@islandsunset]

Seems bizzare. Most be a reason no matter how small. Try to get to the bottom of it and then decide who is at fault.

[@terranbishop5549]

Nothing shows people’s true colors until a family member dies and their will is read. Seems like it happens over and over. My parents died within 5 months of each other. My sisters and I never had one hard word between us about anything. However, a cousin, not named in a will or anything, inserted himself in to it and started drama. We all ignored him.

[@Melltrell]

@@dcg590 you don’t know what happened when it was announced so stop acting like the sister is an innocent bystander when she could be just as bad as the parents Something similar happened to my cousin and his sister pretended she didn’t know and STILL didn’t give him money and now she’s begging for his money because she’s in debt now So while the sister COULD be innocent, it’s not something we should assume

[@lilfairykiki122]

Everyone saying the son isn’t entitled to anything, fine, but dad isn’t entitled to being in his life. Son found a new job and cut him out and that’s what OP is upset about. I also don’t trust op at all from some of his comments claiming certain things “weren’t his fault” and all that, I’m thinking this was simply the straw that broke the camels back. I dont think this was ever about the money, but the favoritism of his other kids.

[@cnow82]

Why do families or friends think they have any say in naming peoples children?! The parents are the only ones that make that decision

[@charondusk5608]

The only time family/friends should have input on a baby's name is if the name that the parents are choosing is one that will absolutely cause the kid problems in later life (Like giving your daughter the name "Vagina").

[@lisaella3946]

@@charondusk5608gnkkkkkktjjp😅pioii😅ggk🎉j🎉

[@inihilisme1511]

@@charondusk5608 law would take care of it and force parent to change it.

[@maylynbayani]

True. I have a wonderful relationship with my in-laws but my MIL has told me a number of times that I should name my future daughter "Belle" or add a similar suffix but it just rubs me the wrong way. Firstly, I dont like the name and I wanted to name my daughter after my mother since I greatly admire her charm and mental fortitude.

[@littleblackpistol]

Narcisissm.

[@annabethsmith-kingsley2079]

The first son is basically being punished for having the mom that his father CHOSE for him. Outrageous.

[@nilianstroy]

I also suspect it had a lot of input from stepmother...

[@Ashakat42]

Nah, she had that oral briefing that was too good to pass up on.

[@sukuna-]

So if a women choose to have baby with toxic man then she becomes a victim? You acting like narcissist and manipulators doesn’t exist.

[@katwiltz1134]

Exactamundo you don't want crazy ex around why'd you put a ring on her finger and a dick in her can I tell you what if you and your wife divorce I wonder if she's going to be the crazy ex then I wonder what would happen to the other two kids if you had another one ?

[@atlus6412]

Story 1: OP literally treated his son differently than his other children..... Cut him off from their will...... And still thinks his son overreacted. By their actions they proved that his Ex-wife is correct all this time.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Best part the comment section in the OP dig a bigger hole for himself. OP lying about the fight and it was only the other son who got violent, the eldest son had been ‘teased’ by his brother for years, and when ask about how bad his ex was. All OP can say is that when they divorced she took everything, nothing else.

[@melissawittman]

The tomato sauce story: OP is NOT the AH. My mother used to can tomatoes plain for the same reason. Some became spaghetti sauce, others were used for different recipes and required different seasonings. Canning 40 lbs of tomatoes is a lot of work. OP was much more calm than I think I would have been.

[@Davtwan]

Not to mention canning food that has spices and sugar in it _drastically_ shortens the shelf life.

[@PaulaSB12]

He hates his wife so he took it out on his son. I bet the second wife was his side piece

[@lifewithlee6298]

@@PaulaSB12wrong story bro 😅

[@tokonunya8301]

Even if she actually was improving the cooking (she wasn't), that's still such an AH move. I'm Southern and you just DO NOT go into someone's kitchen and mess with their cooking. Interfering with a Southern woman's cooking is an outright declaration of war. She might as well have walked up to OP and slapped in her the face. And the fact that this wasn't the first time she's done it. . . just unbelievably bad behavior.

[@christyricker8736]

Right?!?! Canning is no joke. I remember helping my paternal grandmother peel the tomatoes after we flashed them to get the skin off. I'm 44 now and she passed when I was 19. I miss doing that. **I always enjoyed being the one who put the pinches of salt right before we closed the lid. That is the only seasoning we added then..... the rest at cooking time. You understand. 😊 And yes, I am Southern also. The general rule at my house is the kitchen is off limits if Mom is working in there. It's worked so far, as no one has lost a limb or eye.....😂😂

[@invisible123-l9d]

1st story. This man hated his ex so much, he was willing to disinherit his son, who was innocent,. He clearly favoured his younger sons. His whining was all about him saving face. He did not care one bit for his elder son. None of them deserved to attend the elder sons' wedding.

[@dcg590]

He didn’t disenheirit him. He set up a trust to make sure his ex didn’t get part of the company. It’s fair. Not to mention, he can do what he wants with his money. Also, she too, everything in their divorce, she got enough already

[@michaelplunkett8059]

He should rather have divided business in 4 parts. 1 for each so and 1 for 2nd wife - widow's share. The younger 2 and widow could out vote any trouble the ex might want to start. Widow can dispose her share in her will.

[@PastorRapture]

@@dcg590The “trust” capped at $7500 and paid out $5000 every five years. It was absolutely in no way comparable to what his brothers received.

[@annabethsmith-kingsley2079]

It’s unbelievable that he can’t trust his son to give him a third of his business. Nor can he trust his other two children to deal with 2/3 of the business. What a ridiculous man!

[@Adiscretefirm]

Steve, this is not about you not caring about our cat's health, this is about the complete disrespect you have continued to show ME in my own home.

[@sgtjarhead99]

S1 - Clear example of hating your Ex more than loving your son. There’s no fixing this.

[@a.a131]

Im so SO SORRY for the OP that had a sex worker mom, and for the mom too. They don't deserve that treatment, the mom TRIED their best and did everything for her children, as ANYWONE SHOULD DO, she is AN AMZING MOM

[@JohnPork-420]

Ur joking right

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

@@JohnPork-420 Why? Are you one of those puritanical, self-righteous prudes that don't recognise that sex work is still working? Or that there's literally no difference between "selling your body" as a sex worker versus "selling your body" (and health) to the millionaire or billionaire running the business off your manual labour in a job that is going to wreck your knees and back by the time you're forty because you're spending 50 or 60 hours a week lifting and moving heavy shit for minimum wage? Go take your judgemental biases elsewhere. This isn't the fifties anymore.

[@a.a131]

@@JohnPork-420 about what? The mother did everything to support her kids so fk off

[@josephcroeniangamer3727]

​@@JohnPork-420why would it be a joke?

[@blueheartless36]

Agreed. Her mom did nothing wrong. Op did nothing wrong. Sex work is work. I'm mad they were treated so poorly for surviving.

[@kathrynhaught630]

"Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people." That's a keeper.

[@staylor3483]

SIL Spice story: Does the SIL do this at other people's homes or just at OP's?? If she does it everywhere, she needs therapy. If she only does it at OP's, she needs a swift kick in the behind!!

[@megadude967]

Story 1 : You think if OP was really converned about the mother's influence he'd just give his son a smaller percent rather then nothing. Like 40/40/20 split

[@michaelplunkett8059]

After son's performance, may be time to have it o %.

[@sfsin3380]

@@michaelplunkett8059 Ya no OP's showed his true colors in the update (can't link KZbin will delete the comment if I do) the younger boys threw the first punch Son was only defending himself and the thing he threw was the Will. The OP is also in a mess at work now because turned out younger boys weren't actually pulling their own weight in the company and eldest was making up the difference (because he taught he was an owner) this work now isn't being done. Eldest was complaining about this but OP taught he was exaggerating because Ex was whispering in his ear (implication was that this happened a lot Younger boys an new wife mistreat eldest out of sight, eldest complained OP would put it down to EX's influence and brush it aside). This was a straw that broke the camels back and now OP i reaping what he showed. And son already had 0% so not like he had anything to loss

[@ropale9730]

​@@sfsin3380 100% !!!

[@taylorslade961]

Hit and Run: This cop is committing insurance fraud. Most insurance companies have small accident forgiveness and they're all around $500. The damage just so happens to be $504, JUST over the threshold for accident forgiveness? That is sus af.

[@SalamandraSalamandra27]

Those were my thoughts. Also the other story someone posted in the comments is ridiculous. It's so unnecessary to call all your cop buddies over and make such a scene.

[@SunnyD74]

Story 1: So many people think that adult children of toxic people should be trusted with an inheritance. When there is a business involved and multiple children, one bad ex spouse can ruin everything. I disagree with how OP structured the will, and that it was done without transparency up front. I also disagree with so many of the commenters says that the son is an adult and should be trusted. His mother still has influence on him, and he won’t likely see it as negative.

[@-notmycat]

Op trusted him well enough to let him work in important position in the company and made lots of false promises to him. If he had such a big issue with his ex he shouldn't have involved his son to begin with. Son is right, Op made him waste his time working for a company where he won't be acknowledged. It's also heavily implied that Op is doing fraudulent business which takes away his credibility.

[@staylor3483]

My husband's family has a tradition of giving the 1st born the paternal grandfather's/grandmother's name as a middle name. We chose to do this with both our son & daughter. However, our son has chosen not to with his new son, so there will be no boy with my husband's name. I'm kind of sad, but I'm not going to disavow my grandson...

[@tabortoothtiger7580]

Middle name I could understand. They still have their own unique name that they're known by but have a family middle name. I do. My first name is unique to me, and my middle name has been the middle name of my mom, my grandmother on my mother's side, and my great grandmother(not that my mom picked the name for her, but she let my gg think whatever she wanted lol), and probably my great grandmother on my mom's side as well. Hell, I gave it to my dog as a middle name. Yes, I'm that type of person. lol Anyways, family middle names I can understand. It's first names. Just seems like it would get confusing and weird naming so many family members the same name. At least as a middle name you're still honoring your loved ones and family, but also giving that kid some individuality. Either way, the parents are in charge of the name, and are allowed to name the kid whatever they want. It's not the grandparent's kid, not their decision. They had no direct input on the creation of that kid, nor did they birth it. lol If they want to disavow their own grandchild because they didn't get there way and decided to act like petulant children, then that's on them. To hell with em.

[@rubymeaddle]

Pretty sure OP's first wife was right on the money with the "OP is racist" bit

[@carolethorn3211]

As to the story where the term "tragedy" is debated: it is NOT uncommon for people who fall and hit their head, to feel fine for even 24 to 48 hours post head injuy. A small brain bleed occurs and slowly leaks out into surrounding brain tissue. But until the bleed becomes large enough to put pressure on the brain (because of skull, the brain can only swell so far before pressure builds) there may be no alarming symptoms and no indication medical attention is needed. This happened to actor Liam Neesons wife while snow skiing. She died after refusing an ambulance after a fall on the ski slope. Hardly a low income employee.

[@Jozzie1987]

I think preventable deaths are MORE tragic. Does this girl think the Titanic sinking isn't a tragedy because it was preventable? No! It's more tragic because it was SO preventable. This young man that died...it's so tragic because one simple phone call could've prevented his death and his family wouldn't have to grieve like this.

[@Rabbithavenstitchery]

EVERY death is tragic, no matter the circumstances. What was said was overwhelmingly judgemental and unkind.

[@williamwayland1888]

Steve calling the wife a bitch? Mannnn no way. It dosent matter, brother, friend, mom... nobody would call my wife a bitch. Thats crazy the husband didnt stand up and let it slide. That blows my mind

[@yothiga]

From the line about OP struggles to cover his 1st son part,it probably the hardest job in the company and he doesn’t get anything? I would be furious

[@trendreddit]

You missed a significant portion of the first story when the son flung the will and a single picture frame, which was supposed to be the tantrum. His half siblings then yelled at him for trying to start a fight. However, as you may recall from the update, the father mentioned that he was having difficulty finishing his son's homework. It turns out that he was assigned to the worst assignments, many of which violated labor board regulations and involved fraud threats. The father acknowledged that he had never intended to include him in the business, but he compensated him with a bank draft to keep him quiet. In comparison to the other brothers, the money appears to have been limited to $7,500 per five years. There are many missing, missing reasons out there.

[@shadowkissed2370]

The tomato sauce situation is NTA, DO NOT touch other peoples food ffs.! It doesn't matter if you delusional think you are a master chef.

[@staylor3483]

17 yo 1st date: reading the comment made me laugh so hard.. the comment from the 20 something: wait until you're 60 😂... To OP: slow your roll, lover boy! You are still in puppy love mode. Take your time & get to know this young lady. You both have years of maturing to go through yet. Graduate HS & get through college. If your relationship is going to survive, it will. If not, only time will tell. I was in love at 17... he cheated on me... repeat & moved on a couple of times. Finally found Mr Right & we've been married for 36 yrs now. Good luck, Kiddo!😊

[@mntypython74]

1:31:52 What the actual hell is with this OP. I feel so sorry for the coworker and their family. @Markee can you do a single video of this story if it’s still available? I’d love to hear how deep OP digs the hole in their response. PS: OP, get therapy, don’t think about it, just do it.

[@atty7697]

Story 1 - OP is the AH. So the eldest son works in the company and the will has been written for a while, yet OP couldn't find time to tell his son. He wants to blindside him. OP is omiitting details. I don't think he is being honest.

[@keepdancingmaria]

How DARE the 1st Story son have that particular mother!

[@marecort3697]

Family names: yeah, this is why I avoided ANY family names when naming my son. (There were issues with one of my brother’s kids.) I had an interesting story about how we came up with the name, which went over really well, and the name was one that everyone liked (minor miracle in any family!). Everybody happy, and kid got a name everyone (including son) likes.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

People would feel 100% differently about Story 1 if they were hearing about the employees of this company losing their jobs because of the ex-wife. I’ve worked with some wealthy folks and have watched an ex-spouse destroy a business purposefully to spite the children of her ex without regard to impact on several hundred employees. The father would be a fool if he didn’t fully protect his business from her. A trust is managed money and assets.. You are not going to pay the fees associated with managing a trust for anything that isn’t 6 or 7 figures. The son can be hurt, but why would he inherit a third as long as the current spouse is alive? Her old age should be protected and paid for from their assets. If the son has a separate trust that means the mother’s portion is coming from the business. Redditors have very little knowledge of what it means to have wealth and it shows in answers to people with sizable assets.

[@NinjaCthulhu]

There is more to the story, as there's an updated post. Judging from it, I think the son's real issue was that he put time, money, and effort into building the company (In fact, some comments indicate that he put a lot of the work into the company compared to the other sons) and he felt like he was being shafted. Also, there's clearly more going on than OP has stated. He fudged the truth about the incident when the son discovered the will, as it turned out the other two sons were more of the aggressors. OP also made a comment about situations in the past "that he had no control over", which gave me major red flags that the son wasn't treated kindly. Overall, the commentors on the update were mostly against OP, saying that he allowed his hatred for the ex to clout his judgment.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

@@NinjaCthulhu that’s really beside the point. If you own a company that has value and multiple inheritors-regardless of their employment status with the company-the advice any competent estate attorney is going to give you is not divide the company among your children equally. It will be to give the business to the inheritors with the ability to work together and govern it. Others will receive some type of trust inheritance based on your personal assets/liquidity and accessible business value. It won’t be an equal distribution since all businesses have value that cannot be liquidated. This isn’t about fairness. It’s about protecting the business and employees from familial interference. Also trusts can be configured to receive payments from the company as a share of profits. I doubt that any Reddit post that is real would get into the actual weeds with how something like this is configured. It needs to hold up to legal challenges to both the estate AND be valuable enough to not sue the business. Based on what you’re saying? It’s a fake post.

[@TriciaT2407]

​@Kimberly_Sparkles if that's the case then why allow the 1st son to give so much time, effort, etc towards the growth of the company (in comparison to the other sons) knowing full well he was going to get the shitty end of the stick? He's good enough to help build the company but not good enough to continue its success? Clearly he's the more competent one based on everything op said. Arrangements can be made to preserve the company while being fair to all.

[@DespairDoctor]

The problem is if those coworkers/mutual friends are anything like me, they'd tell her because she has a right to know the horrible thing OP said about her brother.

[@Zminator1986]

Story 2: I can never understand why families are so hellbent in the naming of children. Why is it so important that a child's name is dictated because of dead or old people. Yes I'm including the grandma that didn't want kids to be named "peter" because this also has become a tradition for OP's family.

[@renaeodonnell4558]

My aunt did this with my cousin. My uncle was the first born son and my grand father and great grandfather also had the same name, I can’t recall if it went back any further generations, but my grandparents were mad because my aunt (mind you my uncle was in on the decision too) ruined a family tradition that went back to our ancestry in Ireland. Well my cousin is gay and doesn’t want children so even if he was named after tradition, it would have ended with him anyway.

[@lifewithlee6298]

Should have moved on 😅 yeah so should I and the name

[@tamstertx63]

Wow, guy falls off a roof and gets a head injury. Then the OP wants to blame him for not making good decisions?? WTH....

[@michellecaudle9413]

Story about the cat NTA, I don’t even feed my cat human food unless it’s unseasoned meat or fish. I also don’t keep toxic plants in my house and some of those I really like.

[@tonemaster4608]

At first, i was somewhat on the dads side, but after doing research, the kid was in the right

[@lkayh]

OP who said coworker’s brother’s death was not a tragedy: Girlfriend, yes to therapy. If you are constantly finding yourself excluded and disliked, it’s YOU. Therapy can help you identify the reasons. It’s not about being a psychopath. Maybe just socially dysfunctional and clumsy, but you need to rethink how you relate to others. This is for your benefit and also for those in your life.

[@katphish30]

Don't feed anything to anyone's pets unless you're their sitter, and then follow their directions. Go home and ruin your own pet's health (don't actually do that) and leave other people's pets out of your destructive compulsion.

[@dueldr]

The greedy girlfriend … he had better make sure that he is present when her and her friends arrive to haul away her things. Otherwise, he is going to get cleaned out..

[@sugakookie7985]

Not a soul pointed out to the 17 year old that he's not in love? He's merely infatuated he doesn't know the young lady well enough to know he loves her...yet. What's with the trip down memory lane how does that help OP, he need to pull it way back because he's headed for major heartbreak

[@Jozzie1987]

Probably because they don't know his feelings, neither do you. Told my boyfriend (at the time) that I loved him after a week of dating, right after he did. Got engaged 2 weeks later, married after 10 or so months (had to turn 18 and finish high school first, lol). Just celebrated our 18 year wedding anniversary. Love can happen fast. Sometimes it lasts, sometimes it doesn't. And if it doesn't last for this young man, he'll be fine, as we all are after breakups.

[@TheIronwil]

Cat Food: NTA. And if my friend called my wife a B he’d be lucky to leave my house under his own control. But also, I’d never have permitted a friend of mine to pull crap like feeding out pets human food, especially after being warned.

[@w7100]

s1: my ex-wife still has a lot of influence over my son, gee I wonder who was whispering that into your ear, oh hey current wife

[@tartlynerdy]

Story 1 - knock knock. It's the consequences of your poor decisions collecting their debt. Wtf did op think was going to happen? If op's ex hates him that means this action will have confirmed everything, passive aggressive or toxic, she ever said to poison her son against his father and his new wife. She won and she didn't even have to hammer the nail into the coffin. This could have been prevented with a conversation but now op has to scramble around trying to save face instead. The comment from Lcmom1231 really nailed it on why op's firstborn son is so hurt by this betrayal.

[@VelourVoleuse]

"I ain't sayin she a gold digger....but I think she was one" 😂😂😂

[@terranbishop5549]

Rule of thumb. Anytime you have to ask yourself the question, “is it okay to say…?” Be safe instead of sorry and keep the mouth shut.

[@JanieBgrand]

Story with $$ being sent to sister: This is your GF! Not your wife!! Keep helping your sister. It’s not really her business, and your sister will graduate soon.

[@culixstar]

anything along the lines of "I love all my of my children equally". You know there will be a BUT, and they will be the AH

[@crystalmarie2448]

You even need to call the police if you hit like. A road sign, apparently. Which is scary and frustrating, but true. My spouse and I figured that out when we had to get our car towed bc our tire popped, we slid off the road, and ran into a sign (which wasn't damaged)- and the tow truck driver wouldn't take the car until we called Highway Patrol. I'm so glad he did bc I was like this... isn't an accident?? And wouldn't have thought to call 🙃 We didn't get a ticket, but we probably would have gotten into big trouble if we'd been able to leave the scene and had done so!

[@sharonramirez8014]

Gauh!!! I hate cops 😡 They know dang well they'd shield their kid in the same sitch!! SMH Yeah the kid made a mistake but he circled the truck and saw there was no damage so decided to leave. It wouldn't be a big deal if the personal car had been owned by ANYONE else.

[@lorifiedler13]

And ask for an impartial estimate. The cars license plate is bent, but a trucks hitch has $504 in damage from a 15mph collision? Suspect.

[@DarkAlora]

I ended up in the hospital my now SO worked at, he found out when he got assigned my labs because I was unconscious. Man nearly kicked in the door to come check on me. We wern't even dating then! Told his supervisor he'd be back in a moment and was just gone.

[@MrH347]

Story 1: This should have all been discussed before it happened. Also inheritance shouldn’t be an incentive to build good karma for when someone dies. The entitlement of these people. Regardless this was all handled poorly. There should have been a better way to give an inheritance to the son without any influence from the ex wife. So much missing information.

[@bcase5328]

I know inheritance is a tradition and is meant to give the next generation a head start, but I think things would be better if the next generation wasn't expecting/dependent on getting an inheritance. That attitude charge would make inheritance a blessing and not scrapes to fight over.

[@darronpattel]

Story 1 OP messed up so much more than what was said here. Needs an update.

[@moonieglow1]

Oh man, the tomato sauce story. If my SIL messed with my cooking I would be upset af too.

[@adrianparsons6683]

the cost of medical care may have actually been a factor. when I was a kid I was bit by a dog, it was a single puncture, my mom didn't think it would be worth the dr bill, so she washed it out with water, put iodine on it... the next day my whole hand was swolen and so mom had us take 3 bus rides and we had to walk an hour to get to the hospital.. Then I had to wait 6 hours to be seen. turns out it was serious. i almost lost my hand, i was hospitalized for 3 months and we got in a mountain of medical debt my mother has never been able to pay off.

[@jonathantyler3420]

Garlic is poisonous to cats? I never knew that in my 33 years lol

[@Artsysomeone]

"the years he wasted" my god. That's the most B's I've ever heard.

[@corlenajames1381]

Right, it's not like he worked for free. He took home wages. The son seems entitled...

[@j.j.juggernaut9709]

@@corlenajames1381 Funny how you people truly see no difference between someone working in a company to earn money vs someone putting effort into a company they expect to own AND grow in the future. The son most likely had many other and better opportunities he refused, so yes he did waste years.

[@Veteransmoker]

Any parent that feels the need to reaffirm that they love their children equally is full of shit. That's a dead giveaway that you play favorites.

[@katwiltz1134]

Burn! Bahahaha I forgot on Reddit you can sometimes see them coming a mile away huh? They doth protest too much! Teeheehee

[@samuelblackthorn1033]

Story 1: His son was probably constantly told they were racist and other poison for years and brushed it off but then got “confirmation” when he saw the will

[@justine8387]

Perhaps, and perhaps he was told that because they were behaving in a racist fashion. Unfortunately, mixed race kids can have issues with this.

[@thebhome]

Weeding Planner Story: I'd swallow my pride for the time being, plan everything, but never actually pay or do anything. Then when the day comes, I'd just spill " Oops, sorry, you aren't invited to this wedding that won't happen. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, or in this case: don't backstab the wedding planner in charge of YOUR wedding." Smile, turn to husband and hand him divorce papers and go "Your family are a-holes, you are the apple that didn't fall far from the tree, and I am going to enjoy my honeymoon." I mean... you can call a vacation a honeymoon...right? lol

[@danielleburchette2599]

The story with the mom who worked in the sex industry really burned my ass. As a mother, there isn't a whole lot I wouldn't do to give my kids better than what I had growing up. Legal or illegal. I won't even begin to claim that I understand the in and out of OPs culture. What I can say for sure? There is no shame for OPs mother to bear. She did what any good mother would do. Absolutely anything for her children. If you get the chance to see this Op. Tell your mom for me, from one mother to another. She did exactly what she was supposed to do. Take care of her children. ❤️ she's a good mom.❤❤❤❤❤ Edit to add: ANY DOCTOR THAT WOULD TURN AWAY A PATIENT IN NEED DOESNT DESERVE THEIR LICENSE!!!

[@ZedBeiFeng]

I will never side with any single mother they make horrible life choices then refuse to take any accountability.

[@kenpat9966]

Terrible opinion

[@lina9535]

Where I live, you are actually taught in drivers ed what to do in case of emergencies. Drove into a ditch? Car broke down on the highway? Crashed into someone/something? It's even on the writing portion of the test. I don't have a license (never needed it), but I sat in on one test with my sister when she was getting hers. She was "babysitting" me, and their teacher even gave me a test so I had something to do while I waited. Ironically, because I asked questions when my mom helped my sister, I managed to get like a 63% on that test. I think what I scored on were signs, because I always asked mom about them xD

[@Mao-s6q]

For OP in #2, I know everyone says no need to adhere to dead but that’s exactly what she’s doing for her recently deceased grandma & living fam. Do what you want but be ok with what that action brings. Both families are blinded by their own s&&t

[@kyleanuar9090]

A friend feeds his cat first and if it eats it then only he'll eat, he considered if the cat won't eat it then it's unsafe for humans too. Try feeding fast foods to feral cats or dogs which never had processed food, they'll reject it.

[@cricket78065]

The “friend” trying to feed the cat - garlic - bread? Garlic is to cats as chocolate is to dogs. TOXIC.

[@jenndowden8131]

lol @ "When I was young..." Who wants to break it to him?

[@Letha-AnnCooper]

Your girlfriend is not a wifey. No girlfriend or boyfriend have any business in each other’s financial business. BTW. Never purchase a home or car with a boyfriend or girlfriend.

[@diamonddiva3204]

yep also she earns less and buys luxury items like shoes and bags yet thats ok but god help if you use money to help family she sounds like a gold digger

[@paulinadeboer3604]

Sexworker mum, i realy like the reactions. It proofs that people still agree that you do everything for you kids when you are young to raise them. It does not matter what legal job it is, aslong as you take well care of your kids.

[@paulinadeboer3604]

@@davestuart1382 exactly

[@kenpat9966]

I doubt that she is a good mom

[@paulinadeboer3604]

@@kenpat9966 why, what are your reasons?

[@lalalachris]

The story with Steve is the kind of person who feels entitled to poison animals without knowing anything. Reminds me of assholes who give horses whole bags of whole apples.

[@20darkmoon]

1:08:50 this chick SERIOUSLY overestimates her worth in their relationship. Like, what? Is her V that good? How do her friends know that? She doesn’t seem to be contributing much other then looks and sex. Women that establish their worth in the relationship based on sex and looks are sad and despicable.

[@lina9535]

I just gotta say, I actually dislike when siblings go "we're X years aparts, so it's hard to find common ground". It really isn't. OP and sister are 6 years apart. My sister and I are 14 years apart. It's more about just getting along than anything else

[@susanlosey9511]

Story #2. NTA Your not royalty. Time to put that name to rest. Good for you for not following that line of baloney!

[@bonnie.f]

The problem with reactions to S1 is that no one is owed any of their parents' inheritance. Would I be pissed if I found out that my parents split their estate (if they had one) 3 equal ways and 1 unequal way? Yes, of course. Would I immediately fly off the handle, say "hateful" things to my stepmom and siblings (curious what those things were) and throw a massive fit? No.

[@tennesseedogpack]

All these people think he’s owed the business. Just because you clock in every day doesn’t make you a future owner

[@stephmaj01]

I don't understand why everyone is dumping on him. He said he and his current wife built it after he was destroyed from the first marriage. That means current wife has a right to help with the division of shared assets right?

[@bonnie.f]

@@stephmaj01 That's the way I see it!

[@BrightsideandLogicalReasoning]

@@tennesseedogpack The amount of effort an employee would place in a random company can't be compared to the effort one puts in a family's business. One usually goes above and beyond whereas, in a random company, you only do what your job requires and that's it. Therefore by this, the son was justified in being mad.

[@randomusername3873]

Noone is owed a good relationship with their kid either Is insulting when people like the Op nuke the relationship and can't even own up to it

[@nilianstroy]

first date story.... i love how he found out she's loyal and honest after a date...

[@BrookeBrantnall]

tell them to get a dog and name it Peter so when people who thought it was the kid due to the inlaws you can tell them its your dog and that your MIL is weird like that

[@dustysimpson7864]

1- He needs to be completely taken out of the will.

[@sammieg8641]

So what they have 20 Peters?! Like what did they think was going to happen by calling him the wrong name… psycho much

[@someanon1984]

Story 1: I wonder whether or not this guy is actually telling the truth about his ex-wife or if the accusations of racism hold some water...

[@kiarar.1219]

Yeees! Finally someone else who sees this! 👏🏻

[@ruthsaunders9507]

Sounds like she cleaned him out completely and used that as an excuse.

[@Davtwan]

Or if the plan to explain the will to the son was actually going to happen.

[@paulinadeboer3604]

Well he loved his brothers more than him because. It sound to me that brothers could go with dad on vacation and he didn't because mum would not allow it and than tell kid. Dad did not want to take you because of your colour. Dad says his mum has controle over him. And with the first bump in the road he runs back to mummy. People say he proofs mum point, but in fact it prooft dads point about the influence she have on him. I don't agree with the will, but dad is in a pickel too thanks to his mum. The will had to say that he gets every year 1/3 of the profits by selling the compagny he gets 1/3. and the house get sold and split 3 ways. So he has no influence on the compagny but still profit of the compagny.. and he gets his share of the house. That was the only fair condition.

[@PaulaSB12]

When did the second wife come 8nto the picture before or after the divorce I am betting before and he cheated on his sons mother

[@stampandscrap7494]

The hypocrisy of the Uncle being at the wedding. Grrrrrrrrrrr

[@whatsupwithjinx]

I'm immediately wondering why leave the son anything at all with that reaction. Damn.

[@tennesseedogpack]

Then the kid went out and spread lies. They were right to worry about the mothers influence on a week minded Indian boy

[@lifewithlee6298]

Hmm 🤔 seem like op might worry there truth to it and op feels guilty

[@Canyouseemeanna]

Because the OP is lying about his son's 'reaction'. I have heard this post on some other channel. The thing that actually happened was his eldest son did not do anything out of line, just asked some questions and one of his son from current marriage started hitting his eldest son and started using vile language and degrading his eldest son. And his eldest son contributed a lot of effort and years into building this business. So yeah OP is full of bs.

[@apriljoy1094]

Exploit your own child and then disinherit him for a replacement family. No wonder the sin is close to his mother. Apparently she is the only family he can trust

[@staylor3483]

Women get judged for what they have to do to survive, but men are never judged on what they do that keeps women down!! Screw double standards!!

[@jennieforthesox]

That first story, man...he sounded awful and the story was from his point of view. Could you imagine what it would be from the son's?

[@gototheend1139]

I can't find it anymore but the story was told on others channels, the son apparently didn't throw things and fight the others, he threw the will and questioned it, and the other kids threatened him, even then even if the story really wasn't made out of malice, this guy is a scumbag,

[@TheIronwil]

Husband Going To Wedding: NTA. This should never have gotten even near this point. Sounds like this is a pattern of abuse over a long period of time. No one disrespects my wife. To do so is worse than insulting me. I can’t even imagine being with a spouse that would let her family walk all over me.

[@OdditieseClubMagazine]

Traditions especially family related should be honoured if not unreasonable- peoples aspirations for originality often result in ridicule

[@thebhome]

Name story: So my grandma had asked to have my sister's and my middle names to the ones she picked, and my mom chose to do that when it came time to fill out the birth certificate. Honestly, I would have told them the hospital picked the name for us. LMAO, they did that to my mom, saying her name wasn't an actual saint's name. This was a catholic ran hospital back in the day, and apparently, it was very common for the nuns to change the name you picked to be more religious (ex: Marisela, but the nun's made it maria isela because there is a saint named Maria, not marisela). As for me, I had my baby names picked well before I even knew were babies came from, and if I have a daughter, I will 100% have my bff's name somewhere in there. That woman has saved my life more times than I can count.

[@kiarar.1219]

I hate how everyone here is defending OP. The son helped his father build the business, to the point that OP had trouble covering his work tasks. So basically, all the family assets are going to the younger children, and the oldest, who built the company will be left with Pennies and working for his younger brothers. I read the whole thing a while back, OP tried to paint his oldest son as “aggressive” for knocking a picture frame, while one of his youngest hit him (it came later on but OP minimized it). He is “lowkey” racist, refusing to admit how the son feels, as OP’s family has made “comments” that “could” be “misinterpreted” throughout the years. The son’s feelings are valid and OP sounds like he’s the problem and making out the ex to be a monster (projecting what he is!).

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

To be fair, MOST people would have issues covering two people's jobs at once. That's not in any way a good way to determine how much work the son put in or how vital he was in general to the functioning of the business. Also, why was the son even rooting around in someone else's office in the first place? Sure, you can argue that the father etc are assholes based on your feelings around the post, but the SON isn't exactly a shiny beacon of decency either. He's not entitled to anyone's money. He didn't even want to listen to WHY. He didn't show up for his job for a week (which is justification enough for him to be fired WITHOUT any severance package, to be honest). IMO ESH, some more than others.

[@kiarar.1219]

@@JustAnotherBuckyLover so if you helped build a business and then learn you won’t be gaining anything from it, you’d still stay there and work? This story is older, and I read it before. I believe the son went in to look for a specific document for the business, the father knew it, he didn’t snoop around, the will was left on the desk. Why would you want to listen to the “why” when you’ve always been the second class citizen at your fathers family, and are being treated like this once again?! And yes, the son took a big chunk of the business responsibility, more than the younger brothers, and AGAIN, he helped build the business! I mean, I love listening to Markee, but you guys can also look up the stories and get more info 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@JustAnotherBuckyLover]

@@kiarar.1219 LOL reading comprehension - you might want to work on that. Where did I say any of that? I didn't. Where did I say he didn't even have a right to be UPSET or that he wasn't even justified about being hurt? Again, I didn't. I'm saying his BEHAVIOUR was kinda sucky. I'm the literal fucking scapegoat in my family, while my sibling is the golden child, so unlike many (if not most) people commenting on this, it isn't something I speak about without understanding what that is like. Being in that position is miserable, it hurts like crazy, but that doesn't mean that I agree with some of his behaviour. Nuance FTW. Also, nobody needs you patronising them with lines like "you can look up stories you know". Not only is it unnecessarily judgemental, but many people - including me - have a life outside of KZbin and don't have the time to Google literally every story they hear on KZbin from any of the numerous Reddit commentating creators, which could come from half a dozen or more different subreddits - especially as older stories tend not to HAVE full context or remain. Hell YOU didn't even bother looking it up, you're relying on your memory of reading it God knows how long ago. Pot, meet kettle?😂 Also, if you had that extra info before, why didn't YOU post it in one of your numerous comments? Because, you know, that's what *I* do, rather than just judging people who are working with incomplete information, as I understand that not everyone gets to see the whole story for every post read out. I don't try to act like a know-it-all or play "ha! gotcha!" games. Maybe you should try it? Because your attitude is unwarranted. 🙄 As for your question - I, personally, would never consider working for or with the people who abused me my whole life. I sure as shit would never have formed a BUSINESS with them. And on the weird off-chance that I did, I would have QUIT the moment I found out instead of just going AWOL for a week or so because that's just crappy behaviour (especially if there are OTHER people outside of my family working at the business who inevitably have to pick up the slack too, while I continue to get paid for not being there because the boss feels guilty). It's called having a moral code and respecting other people. And even if what you say is true about him actually looking for a specific business document, that STILL isn't justification to sit there after finding someone's will and literally take the time needed to read it. You don't just accidentally spot a document and instantaneously read, comprehend and react to the multiple pages of content just because your eyes drifted over it. He SNOOPED, regardless of how you try to justify it. At best, it means he wasn't snooping looking for info he could use AGAINST his father - but again, doesn't mean he wasn't, either. And then rather than even bother to even ask about it, he just blows up at everyone - including his siblings (who were absolutely NOT to blame for what his parents chose to put in the will). Look. At no point did I say that he was as MUCH of an asshole as his father and stepmother. I specifically said that the asshole rating of ESH wasn't applied equally to everyone. They clearly have their favourites and that's obnoxious, and I have endless sympathy for that. They are obviously the much bigger assholes in this story by a long shot. But he ALSO was a bit of an asshole too, albeit with far more provocation. It's okay to say that, without defending the bigger assholes. You do understand that, right? Not everything has to be so black and white. 🤦

[@kiarar.1219]

@@JustAnotherBuckyLover First of all English is not my first language, though I don’t really think I lack comprehension because even though you didn’t say xyz I was just explaining my point. Never did I say you said any of those things. Maybe you should work on YOUR comprehension. Second, as a person who said not to patronize others you should take your own advise with your lines about “working on my reading comprehension”, “having a life outside of KZbin”, “being a know it all”, and that I need to “work on my attitude”. You sound pretty judgmental for no reason and a fucking asshole because YOU are patronizing and offending me! I didn’t offend you in between the lines, like you did to me (see, my reading comprehension is on point). Don’t know why you’re so butt hurt about a comment that didn’t offend you, and maybe you should work on that! I don’t live in KZbin but some posts catch my attention more then others, like this one, so I decided to look it up. Try it! It won’t kill you 😉. I wasn’t trying to patronize anyone. I was just trying to explain this guys side (cuz I’m also my family’s black sheep, and I felt like none was looking at his side, more so since most of OP’s comments that make him look like an AH weren’t read here). When I said that you could look it up is to say that I’m not making it up, and that you could see for yourself. Didn’t know that was patronizing. Anyways, for a person who doesn’t live on KZbin you sure as hell wrote a big ass paragraph. So thank you so much for dedicating your valuable time to me ☺️.

[@tennesseedogpack]

Melanin rich people always find racism. just because you clock in everyday doesn’t make the store yours The son parroted the same line as mommy then ran back to her this solidifying that he’s a mommas boy

[@krystalfloods6197]

If the cop pressed charges it would not be to teach the kid a lesson. It would be because the kid broke the law. He crashed into another vehicle and then fled the scene.

[@GillyFromPhilly]

“And he owned up to it right away.” No. No he didn’t. He took off and owned up to it only after he was tracked down and confronted.

[@ScurvyRascal]

Story 1. The dad says he lost everything in the divorce and had to restart from nothing. I reckon he thinks his ex wife had his eldest inheritance in the divorce. The payments in trust were just to keep him slaving in the business for his other kids. Also, the oldest is getting married! Ges about to have to gave his own wife and kids to worry about Just how much of a financial influence does he think his mother has on him? No way he loves his kids the same. Not a change!

[@ScurvyRascal]

Also "My wife and I built a new life from scratch" (paraphrasing)... How much is this the new wife not wanting to share?

[@tennesseedogpack]

If he’s paying his sons they aren’t slaving . Stop the cap When you clock in at your Dollar General job you don’t expect part of the store just for showing up

[@tennesseedogpack]

Then the kid went out and spread lies. They were right to worry about the mothers influence on a week minded Indian boy

[@ScurvyRascal]

@@tennesseedogpack What I meant by slaving away was the son working hard on something that is never going to be his, as he himself previously thought. No share in the profits. Just an employee. Also, we're no talking Dollar General Jobs here. We're talking about a family business. Hence the 1st son reaction.

[@randomusername3873]

​@@tennesseedogpackthen why is the idiot complaining that his son cut him off?

[@CEO_Of_Clybe]

its finaly just you and me and our cat!....and steve...

[@TheIronwil]

Mom Sex Worker: NTA, and good on OP for dumping this waste of space. I’ve been friends with sex workers. There are different types. Some are hard up for money and making it the only way they can, some get stuck in a cycle of drugs and abuse, but some really enjoy it and feel it’s a calling. I only have a problem with the second type, because they’re in a downward spiral and will wreck their health.

[@zlizgirl]

I was so worried the dad of not- Peter secretly changed the name. That would be a very Reddit thing to happen. Glad he was on his wife's side.

[@ondank]

OP 1 : I don't trust my sons judgement because of his mother Bro you dated her, married her and had a kid with her and somehow missed that she was a terrible person ... surely your judgement is the one we should be questioning here? The son isn't in control of the circumstance of his birth.

[@ChrisAndCats]

Second story would have been an easy fix. Grandmother said "In her lifetime", so that promose is fulfilled abd they arent dishonouring the grandmother any more. Name the son what their plan was, and add Peter as a middle or third name. Grandmother promise is honoured, husbands family tradition is continued. Job done. Zero fuss, everyone gets their way.

[@zlizgirl]

2:19:20 the 15 year old sister is drinking already!? That's a family with bad addiction problems.