My Thoughts On - Destiny Gundam (Part 1 of 2)

[@FolstrimHori]

I'm watching SEED for the ifrst time and I was reminded of this video. Just want to say. Beam Sabers do clash in CE. Episode 11

[@WackyModder84]

+FolstrimHori Y'know, I really should pin this reply to you, because people really need to know why that is. But here's the deal: In the Original Versions of SEED & Destiny, there were actually _multiple_ saber clashes that took place throughout those animes. But the thing is, after the Special Editions of SEED & Destiny were out, the dev team got debriefed that Beam Sabers were not supposed to clash, because that was in contradiction with the Cosmic Era Tech Lore. So..... Uh-Oh! We fucked up! What are we gonna do now? We can't just go back and change it, because the DVD Boxsets are already on the shelves in stores being sold. Well shit, I guess we gotta leave it as it is, unfortunately. That was until SEED & Destiny HD Remastered came out, and the dev team actually _corrected_ their mistake they made and _removed_ every single saber clash that was there _EXCEPT_ the one in Episode 11. That seems to be the only one that they accidentally missed and left in there. But considering the fact that _all the other_ saber clashes got removed; except that one, this is obviously just an Animation Error on the part of the Dev Team forgetting to remove that last one.

[@ra1lgunz268]

WackyModder84 in my opinion the gundams in seed series is cool but the series is f*cking boring

[@thomasrosado2688]

If you want me do describe the combination of the parts into the unit id be glad to discuss it

[@tadams587]

WackyModder84, is there any chance of you releasing your Strike Freedom Gundam vid u hinted at releasing at the beginning of this vid?

[@soupholmesgundamfan6322]

And when strike freedom and legend clash at the final battle

[@meanguy1243]

Y'know, this is why I stick to my Zakus, the less pointy bits the better.

[@qiushuang239]

but Zaku has a lot of pointy bits though, the ram shoulder pad, and the goufs are also spiky as well.

[@meanguy1243]

Qiu Shuang Overall they are very blocky MS though, the spikes can be utilised as weapons and typically are quite minimal, whereas some Gundams and MS are just crazy overboard.

[@meanguy1243]

Qiu Shuang Also my most preferred Zaku design is the Zaku I. No spikes whatsoever on that old hunk of crap.

[@williambenedictalava2634]

Zaku = love

[@thatmotivatedchris6749]

@@williambenedictalava2634 Actually zaku means Zaku = disposable minion

[@TheAceTriad666]

Hmm... About the afterimages... if they come from particles,then I guess that while the F91 Gundam "sweats" afterimages, the Destiny "farts" them.

[@WackyModder84]

...........Honestly? You're absolutely right. That is EXACTLY how it works. LOL

[@andyoliver6060]

My good sir, I applaud for your brilliant statement.

[@ZuKCe]

I agree as well

[@falloutghoul1]

@@WackyModder84 It's actually a fart (Voiture Lumiere)/belch (Mirage Colloid) mixture.

[@alfianfahmi5430]

00 Gundam farts its particles way better and more efficiently IMO 😂🤣

[@CyberQ3000]

As a Gundam Seed Destiny Fan, I approve of this message.

[@bridyboo3967]

i always loved the design of the destiny and the strike freedom but listening to your rants i feel that bandai asked a bunch of noobs to write the stories and the lore --"

[@bridyboo3967]

but nonetheless i'll still love em XD

[@crazy4videogames_]

I agree, I like the destiny but I feel like the story in seed destiny and Shinn's character development went to shit due to the writers. :/

[@crazy4videogames_]

I like the strike freedom too. I don't care if people say their unoriginal. :P

[@crazy4videogames_]

*they're

[@not-thing4063]

I love the destiny gundam and as soon as i watch this video it made me hate the writer's who made shins character.

[@Kaluvin]

Yes, the Japanese text on the PG Strike Rouge does confirm that beam sabers could not block each other and only a beam coated shield is capable of blocking them.

[@WackyModder84]

That, or Anti-Beam Coated Swords too.

[@SirKrigeon]

OOOOOH BOY IT BECAME A PART 1 THE HYPE IS REAL

[@sigma5514]

A better example with the whole beam saber not being able to clash thing in the Cosmic Era would be in Gundam Seed Stargazer, when the Blu Duel tried to parry a BuCUE but the latter's saber went right through and cut off the Blu Duel's arm

[@TerrorofDeath1229]

Interesting tidbit of information: When I first saw Shinn Asuka using the Palma Fiocinas, I had originally thought they were some kind of energy barrier system, something between a beam saber and beam shield, since they did have the strange ability of punching through enemy armor like a knife through butter, and he also has the ability to catch a Gouf Ignited's heat whip with one of them. That was when I didn't have any kind of background information, and was just assuming that idea from the get-go. So, thanks for setting me straight on that.

[@moonlightdawn7249]

The destiny Gundam also has design inspiration from the turn X, burning Gundam, rising Gundam and master Gundam i.e. the darkness finger, shining finger, rising finger, burning finger, turn X's moonlight butterfly, burning gundam's burning shadow afterimages, Gundam x and Gundam double X's satellite destroyer which was made into destiny's mega launcher. Also v-dash and victory 2 assault buster.

[@JayDuron-in1hj]

Wouldn't all of Seed be uninspired? Because the writer practically took the normal Mobile Suits from the Universal Century, guess that's all peace✌🏻️

[@JayDuron-in1hj]

And also the "Strike Gundam" can you even rip off something in the same universe, strange

[@videomaestro9566]

Jay Duron Another problem with it is unoriginality in Gundam SEED Destiny

[@videomaestro9566]

Jay Duron No clue 😳😳😳

[@megacat4529]

Umm, bro...... did the UC have the Stargazer, the Hyperion, and the Providence?

[@JayDuron-in1hj]

+Mega Cat I'm talking ahoy the easily destroyable Mobile Suits, like they took Zaku's, Gouf's, and even Dom's, from the Zeon side of the UC timeline

[@zgmf-x19ainfinitejustice28]

Hey Wacky, why do people believe that Kira being the "Ultimate Coordinator" makes him the strongest among his kind? From watching the show, I thought what made Kira the Ultimate Coordinator was the fact that his borth process was completed in an artificial womb: The mother's womb was incapable of properly sustaining the modified fetus, so various unwanted genetic traits became apparent, such as the baby having a different eye color from what the parents wanted and stuff like that. Basically, the Ultimate Coordinator project was meant to make a "genetically perfect" coordinator via an artificial womb, not a coordinator that was stronger and more talented than all other coordinators. Weren't Kira's advanced skills caused by the fact that he happened to have more talent than other coordinators (or more accurately, the common anime quirk in which the MC somehow has a faster development and learning rate than the other characters)? Am I wrong?

[@WackyModder84]

+BluYorozuya You're absolutely right. This whole bullshit about Kira being "The Ultimate Coordinator" only means that he was the only coordinator out of hundreds who managed to survive being born from an Artificial Womb with all of his genes still in-tact after being modified in the embryonic state. There actually was another person who survived the artificial womb as well by the name of "Canard Pars"; pilot of the Hyperion Gundam Unit 1. But unlike Kira, he was still considered a failure because his genes were still altered from their original modified state after birth from the Artificial Womb happened. But this whole thing about using the "Ultimate Coordinator" thing as an excuse as to why Kira is so powerful is nothing but Telling and Not Showing; which as we all know, is one of The Cardinal Sins of Amateur Writing. The only thing that we, the viewers, have been shown at this point, is that Kira is a Fully-Artificially Born Human Being; born from an Artificial Womb, and *THAT'S IT*. He has not done anything that any other coordinator out there can't do as well. And yet the fanboys will still scream and rant at you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking that; when they haven't even realized that this whole thing is nothing but Telling and not Showing. Fukuda and Morosawa can _tell me_ that Kira does this and does that until they're both blue in the face, but it ultimately means nothing if we're not _shown this_ in the actual manga/anime. Always remember that.

[@zgmf-x19ainfinitejustice28]

+WackyModder84 Thanks, it makes a lot of sense now. But I think the only small "flaw" in what you said (unless I'm actually wrong) is that the writers used the excuse of Kira's being an "Ultimate Coordinator" to prove his power. The SEED writers made many "questionable" decisions, but in this case I believe it was actually the fans that blindly assumed being called "Ultimate" made Kira strong, since I myself never thought that.

[@Adamus39]

+WackyModder84 Hey Wacky I want to debate a point as to the Strike being a mobile suit the Destiny ripped off. First I would like to state I watched both original rants,and a lot of the Seed and Seed Destiny rants and I believe you have very valid and very accurate points. I do appreciate your style of debate. Now in this video you stated that when something takes from other sources it starts to become uninspired after so many sources are used,I do not question this one bit and is a valid point. My debate is that Seed and Seed Destiny share the same universe,so can that be considered a different source for inspiration? From a writing point,I would like to argue,not from a product point,where I'm sure a better counter argument can be made. Purely from a writing aspect would it be considered uninspired to use aspects of that established universe i.e the Destiny and the Perfect Strike? Marketing wise it is definitely uninspired. I just want your opinion from a writing perspective.

[@WackyModder84]

Adamus39 Very good point, and you're not the only one who's asked me about that as well. The reason why I still count the Strike Gundam to be a reference that the Destiny Gundam has is primarily because even though the Destiny Gundam and Strike Gundam are indeed in the same universe, there's still one key factor involved here. The Destiny is a ZAFT Mobile Suit. The Strike is an Earth Alliance Suit. It basically is like an All-In-One version of the Original Strike Gundam if it was done by ZAFT. That's why I feel like it counts. If hypothetically, the Destiny was an Earth Alliance mobile suit, then that wouldn't really count as a reference on the Destiny Gundam, but more along the lines of The Next Generation Strike Gundam. I hope that kind of answered your question. =)

[@Adamus39]

+WackyModder84 It does,and that too is a fair point. Because ZAFT never attempted (to my very limited knowledge of the CE) anything like the Strike except the Impulse and even then it never replicated the Perfect Strike. The closest they got was the Destiny Silhouette (also to my limited knowledge) which was more to test the Vioture Lumiere (sorry for spelling) system, I think. Which if that is accurate does seem to make the Destiny's similarities forced if viewed that way. Because the only ZAFT personal present during the Perfect Strike's launch were Athrun and Dearke and they may not have disclosed that to ZAFT personal. Unlike the Impulse's mechanics where ZAFT had plenty of experience in dealing with the original function of the Strike. I hope I presented a good point,my knowledge of the CE outside of the animes is very limited so I may have presented knowledge I may be wrong about,in which feel free to inform me if so,I can accept if I GOUFed up xD

[@lupvirga]

It's always bugged me about Anti-Ship Swords had no way to deflect beam sabers. Adding beam coating would diffidently help Anti-Ship Swords. I was never surprised that the Anti-Ship sword got sliced in half. i was waiting for it to happen in the beginning of Seed.

[@pewpewx1]

Well, it's a well-known fact that they do not like Shinn, but instead of nerfing his pilot skills which would seem too obvious, they nerfed the Destiny instead.

[@lupvirga]

WackyModder84 A Liang Agreed Palma Fiocinas do NOT = Shinning finger. Don't get me wrong, grabbing your enemy then shooting him point blank for maximum damage IS a good idea. BUT, sense we ALLL KNOW that beam type weapons can't repel each other, WHY THE FUCK DID HE TRY TO BLOCK WITH THEM! I'm sure it COULD have worked if we where in any Universe other than C.E. BUT HE SHOULD KNOW THIS SHIT!

[@kimeugene8907]

I can still say that after listening to this rant 3+ times, I still like the Destiny Gundam. As a robot design, with its impressive wings and rather large arsenal, it is an eyecatching mobile suit in my eyes. The Strike Freedom is also one of my favorite suits for the same reason as the Destiny...and they both make good display pieces in plastic form. However, I am aware of Seed and Destiny's flaws, and even I, as a fan of the Cosmic Era, cannot say it is the greatest thing ever. I acknowledge that Seed and Seed Destiny as well as the Destiny and the Strike Freedom (and alot of other things) are flawed and will always have valid criticisms. Also, Wacky, as much as I like the Strike Freedom, I am legitimately excited for your Strike Freedom video. Take your time, of course, no rush. :3

[@Chrizinator]

While I appreciate the comment, I wouldn't call myself that knowledgeable. Believe me, I know there are people out there who've forgotten more about Gundam than I'll ever know.

[@WackyModder84]

Well, out of a majority of Knowledgeable Gundam Fans on KZbin, you are definitely up there, my friend. ;-)

[@Galavantworks]

***** I'm sick of all the CE MG as well, I don't own any PG's but I love my Zoid kits all the same. As for Gunpla, I just want a MG Reborns gundam for god sakes.

[@Acecard-jl2py]

Four years, four god damn years and we still have no Strike Freedom rant video. Wacky, I know you must be very busy but I hope you can finally return! I miss you, dude!

[@TheGrandShadow_DERPTASTIC]

1:30 "I hate this Gundam, I hate it with a Passion" I thought to myself, "I will not be disappointed with this video" And I was not, I have always despised the destiny's Pilot, but I didn't know why I hated the destiny itself, I just felt like it was bullshit and it shouldn't exist. Ive hated Gundam antagonist with a passion before. Maybe not as much as the shin guy or whatever his name was, but I never hated their mobile suits, sometimes I even like them, so the question was, why did I hate the mobile suit itself? Well this video helped me realized that the Destiny really was Bullshit and finally brought to realization as to why I hated it. Thanks dude, you put that mental itch to ease. :D

[@ewancook351]

I'm glad that SOMEONE can agree with me!

[@ewancook351]

Scratch that, i've thought about it and decided it's not that bad, it's the pilot that's the bs.

[@solidspooks8689]

17:30 Hold the phone right there mister! If 00 beam sabers are formed using positron fields they should be unusable! Elektrons and positron nullify each other as they are matter and anti-matter. So the moment the beam is activated, the saber should explode in the Gundam's hand!

[@christmasisawesome9348]

What's your thought on Destiny Spec 2 and Zeus ?

[@LechkuTheFabulous]

God. It kills me that the Destiny is this popular when my favorite(the Turn A) gets so much crap because of "that silly mustache."

[@kimeugene8907]

Joseph Essman Turn A needs more love. It may be unorthodox in terms of design with its mustache and all, but I find it charming. I own the MG of the Turn A and Turn X...and I am in love with their design and lore.

[@mechasatsu]

I look at aesthetics and overall looks, so Turn A look crap, and Impulse looks good. Not all gunpla/ gundam fan cares about the background and "quirks" of a mecha.

[@lessermook7608]

My fav is the TurnX

[@halorulesyourface]

The reason it remains one of my favourite suits is because I grew up watching Gundam Wing; angelic wings, big fucking sword, well rounded (arguably) reminded me of the Zero and Epyon. Going to see the Arch Destiny!

[@SpiritsRiseR2]

Wacky, I was wondering, what do you think of the Armure Lumiere system that the Hyperion Gundam uses?

[@WackyModder84]

What if I told you that the Arch Destiny Gundam uses it too? ;-) I'm not gonna say HOW it uses it, but you have my word when I say that it DEFINITELY has it. 8)

[@SpiritsRiseR2]

WackyModder84 You sir, have made me very interested.

[@grimhellscythe6998]

even though i love the Destiny and it being one of my fav gundams i agree with everything you said.

[@shallowordepthsxian5410]

Some questions. 1.Why don't they coat the Arondight with anti-beam coating? There is another issue, the weapon itself allows the beam to run along the side of the sword. Wouldn't that design cause the weapon to be constantly taking damage whenever the weapon activates? 2. You said that Voiture Lumiere is a variant, what's the difference between Stargazer and Destiny's variant? It uses a substitute or something else? Electromagnetic? Photon enhanced lasers? Nuclear Thruster?

[@videomaestro9566]

ShallowOrDepths Xian Probably the fact Voiture Lumiare takes energy faster

[@videomaestro9566]

Do not know why I answered with what is above

[@ShatteredSkiez]

for your second question: Unlike the Voiture Lumiere propulsion system used by GSX-401FW Stargazer Gundam, the one installed in Destiny's wings is a combat variant that uses an internal laser, instead of solar winds or external power beam, and convert its energy into a strong light pressure which is then used as thrust. The system generates a light effect known as "Wings of Light" when activated, and allows Destiny to achieve very high speeds during movements and to create after-images when used together with the Mirage Colloid System.

[@lupvirga]

Little late but i figured this is a cool thing to talk about. you know, give Gundam Build divers flack all you want, the combination of the Voiture lumiere system with the GN Drive was an ingenious way to actually make it work while keeping the lore in line with each other. The reason it takes forever to get up to speed with Voiture Lumiere in space is the fact you gotta catch all that energy over time. it's why they used a laser to push the Stargazer cause it would give it a huge burst of speed. Well, GN Drives are VERY condensed energy systems and they release GN particles that are high in energy. Voiture Lumiere would catch those and could be made to direct those BACK into thrust, letting it have increase speed performance.

[@WackyModder84]

First of all, it's a GUNPLA in a video gam. Gundam Build Divers plays by WILDLY different rules than actual mobile suits do. Secnod, the 00 Sky Moebius is what that Gundam should've been right from the start. The default 00 Sky was just bad. The colors of GN Drives and Voiture Lumiere MASSIVELY CLASHED with each other and did not mix. The Moebius making both of them GN Solar Green looked so much better. Third, Voiture Lumiere is something I need to address in my Strike Freedom Rant accordingly, because there's multiple things I've discovered about that tech that I did not cover in this video.

[@glydoughnut9432]

Part 1 of 2? There's gonna be a second rant? Oh I'm shaking with anticipation here

[@akumaten]

This make me hate Destiny (the anime) even more and feel sad for Shin. I mean the writers must hate Shin from the beginning. They don't give him any proper character development, they keep throwing him bones in the form of Impulse (being the copy of the Strike) and Destiny. He has proper military training using and has been a great pilot (in case of the Impulse Vs Freedom battle). Yet fanboys and the director and writer keep rooting for Kira "Jesus Sue" Yamato who just aims and shoots and makes things worse. I gotta watch Stargazer one day. The silver lining in this is that Super Robot Wars calls out on this and makes Shin 12 times better.

[@WackyModder84]

Yeah, Thank God for Super Robot Wars Z. At least THERE, Shinn got the character development he so desperately needed. ........too bad his gundam still sucked, tho. =\ And I would STRONGLY RECOMMEND watching Stargazer. Even if it is just 3 20 Minute OVA Episodes, it's the best enjoyment you will EVER GET out of Gundam SEED in animated form so far.

[@SMAXZO]

WackyModder84 Heck, I got more enjoyment watching the Astray short than both SEED and SEED Destiny.

[@lupvirga]

Dude, impulse actually had improvements over the strike. because of this, it's an AWESOME suit. I would smack shin, gundam jack impulse, then ride off in the sunset with sunglasses on my face.

[@SMAXZO]

Heck, they should've had the Impulse be the upgrade rather than the Destiny.

[@pioltjose23]

SMAXZO Agreed They should have impulse was a better mobile suit.

[@starforcenetwork]

Hey Wacky, I noticed something while reading the Gundam Wiki site about the Destiny which might affect your views on the Voiture Lumiere system on the Destiny: "Unlike the Voiture Lumiere propulsion system used by GSX-401FW Stargazer Gundam, the one installed in Destiny's wings is a combat variant that uses an internal laser, instead of solar winds or external power beam, and convert its energy into a strong light pressure which is then used as thrust." Based from this, the Destiny does NOT use solar winds to power the Voiture Lumiere. I don't know what the internal laser thing is though. Thoughts?

[@Neowattmk4]

My guess is something akin to that big laser that propelled the stargazer but smaller and weaker.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

Here's a thought. The wings are still non-articulated. Still thrusting out to the sides, canceling each other out.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

+Stryker PikaChung J Exactly. Like I said. Non-articulated.

[@innereyesview3623]

Go check the Destiny Gundam's back. It is shown in the 4th opening of the HD Remastered Seed Destiny. The Wings of Light comes out of multiple exhaust pipes on the wings, in short they are just exhaust similar to how all cars have an exhaust pipe at the rear. But some cars have their exhaust pipes pointed to the side, which doesn't affect the car's performance at all. What gives propulsion is not the overly pretty looking exhaust. That's as stupid as saying a Steam Ship shouldn't be able to move forward because the steam is coming from the Exhaust funnel from the top of the ship and that the Steam ship should be constantly pushing against the water on the spot. In short, Voiture Lumiere on Stargazer is like Sailing Ship while Strike Freedom and Destiny is similar to the earliest of the Steamers. A more striking comparison is using the real world technology the two variants of Voiture Lumieres is based off from. Stargazer = Solar Sail except instead of the metallic sheets of Solar Sail, they use those Wings of Light as substitute. Stargazer needs to extend its Wings of Light far and wide (About 7 times its length) because it is literately depending on the Solar Winds to hit the Wings from behind to get propulsion. Strike Freedom/Destiny = Using Photonic Laser Thruster on Solar Sail concept. Aka most advanced form of Light pressure propulsion technology. Much like how Beams in Gundams typically have been amplified to levels where they not only possess an inherent ability to greatly increase the temperature of an object the beam hits at astounding rates, they also have high ability to disrupt the atomic structure of the object which explains why the Beam weapons in CE can melt the armor of PS armor that is known to be able to withstand comparable temperature to what laser weapons can achieve in "One beam shot's time" from the Atmospheric entry scenes. Well, let's just leave at the beams have some unknown plot device in them that is not meant to be solved which can cause the explosions you see happening all the time. Regardless, all these is to show that with CE's vastly superior knowledge and technology of amplified lasers they should by storyline be able to do better than what we did in the real world. Real world we managed to use a 500 watt (0.5 kW) laser to generate a 3,500,000 newton push. To push Strike Freedom, heavier of the two Gundams, they need about 790,000 newton. To push Destiny the lighter machine, they'll need a little less. Then don't forget, they are suppose to be able to do better than real world. AKA, 500 watt for 7 mN, 250 watt for 3.5 mN or 250 watts with 7 mN push is all entirely up to the author.

[@megacat4529]

Explain why the wings have SLIGHT articulation on the Real Grade

[@rexia9611]

Funnily enough this popped back up in my timeline again, can't believe this is a 10 years old video.

[@BANGOTRON]

I used to be a fan boy just because of it bullshit, now I see I only loved it cuz it looked "pretty" in combat. The whole beam saber explanation was enough to go into its own video. Now I am a fan in the truest sense and I await ur dissection on the Strike Freedom. *Salutes* In the easiest way possible for you. how do u feel about the following Gundams: 1: Buster (IMO beam version of wings Heavyarms with lack of dedicated melee weapon) 2: Aegis 3: Akatsuki 4: Stike Noir Lastly What is the most balanced and realistic Gundam from the seed(s)?

[@WackyModder84]

1.) Buster Gundam is great! I think it's a badass design and it plays its role as a Heavy Support Gundam perfectly. =) 2.) Aegis is absolutely fucking EPIC! One of my favorite gundams from the 1st SEED, without question. 3.) Ehhhhh....Akatsuki is a Gundam that I don't *hate*, but it's definitely one that I don't *like* either. I think they went a little overboard with references, as Akatsuki references 3 Gundams: - F91 Gundam - Nu Gundam - Hyaku Shiki 4.) Strike Noir is FUCKING AMAZING. Definitely my favorite variant of the Strike. I don't care what the Strike Rouge Phoenix says. As for that last question, there's honestly quite a lot of mobile suits that are like that. It's hard to really say....

[@TheStephenShow]

WackyModder84 I like the Aegis too. How would you react to a Rarity Akatsuki?

[@WackyModder84]

TheStephenShow Not necessary. Rarity's Mobile Suit is a no-brainer. QUBELEY.

[@matanuiv3]

So what are your thoughts on Gundam BF so far?

[@WackyModder84]

So far = AMAZING.

[@WackyModder84]

+Kai Alvin Um....no they don't? The main ones who do that are the RX-78 Styled Gundams. But y'know what? At least they admit that THAT is what they're trying to be a reference of, and they don't reference anything ELSE besides just that. They're not aiming to be anything fancy other than to be "This Series's RX-78". Destiny Gundam tried to be SO MANY OTHER THINGS at once, and failed horribly at it. And as a result, it has absolutely NO UNIQUE IDENTITY of its own.

[@yangguo343]

hey wacky new esp is up Gundam BF

[@WackyModder84]

GeneralRobertE Lee Not many people really think about it from the perspective I do. So I just put my thoughts into Video and let people decide if they agree with me or not. And from what it looks like, most people do so far.

[@WackyModder84]

GeneralRobertE Lee I would be delighted to help! =) TheAnimeOverviewer's been busy on his end with a lot of things, but I MYSELF will at least be able to help for sure. ;-)

[@epsiloncore9772]

Speaking of the RX-78 series I've gotten an interest in the RX-78-6 Mudrock, I've never seen it in any anime, but I've sure as hell seen it in almost all my Gundam Battle series games. any info on the Mudrock?

[@felipebotello5554]

What are your thoughts on the Infinite Justice?

[@clo8076]

While I can agree on almost everything in this video, I think there’s a misunderstanding about the voiture lumiere effect in the wings of light. I am only typing this up for the sake of trying to see if I missed something from SEED (who knows, maybe this is my own way of trying to explain this since it makes no sense, for example I never noticed the beam saber thing. Lol) I’ve barely ever been able to complete the series, it always gets boring and over done near the end for me... The lack of character development and the random changes of primary character drive me insane to the point of extreme boredom... So, here it goes... Help me understand if I’m mistaken or maybe if I fixed the “plot holes” that the writers couldn’t via my head canon. Lol The wings of light overflow “exhaust” IS the booster effect. (Propulsion is just accelerating something away from you at a rate that proportionately accelerates you the opposite direction.) My understanding is that the voiture lumiere effect is created inside the mechanical wings and then a laser is fired (also inside the mechanical portion) between the voiture lumiere mirage colloid effect. Due to the voiture lumiere’s ability to “catch” radiation energy and then turn it into thrust by accelerating it away from the field, it would make sense that a laser (radiation likely more concentrated on a single point thus needing smaller surface are than stargazer catching solar winds) would then create a powerful propulsion effect and the “wings of light” are the exhaust (similar to the image of a jet engine flame) just made pretty by laser light and mirage colloid. So... In a sense while some hand waving is necessary, the effect makes sense (as does the wings taking a massive amount of energy to produce as you have to expend a huge amount of radiation to throw enough radiation away from you). The excess energy usage would make sense as to why it can accelerate so quickly compared to the stargazer’s “catching” the solar wind... Which are random and spread out... This also would allow the wings to work in atmosphere.as the radiation comes from the suit’s engine and. Not from catching the excess radiation that naturally moves through space... In al reality the concept is actually incredibly similar to the way modern physics is attempting to find a way to harness similar technologies for propulsion. Granted, the mirage colloid effect deal is certainly not well developed in universe, but if it worked as explained on stargazer it would make for at least probable... Now... I have NO IDEA how Shinn does what he does without the necessary wing mobility. Lol

[@goofyahhmf-dr7bz]

destiny should've use te palma fiocina like a kamehameha lol

[@Tuck752]

do you think the Destiny Impulse would have been slightly better if it was in the series besides the actual destiny? or just was bad or even worse?

[@WackyModder84]

Not by much. No. Honestly, I can't really see how the Destiny Impulse even worked without a Nuclear Reactor. The Wings would drain the mobile suit's power Pretty Damn Quickly. I mean, granted: Weapon-Wise, I do give the Destiny Impulse a little more credit with that. Since it has 2 Excaliburs instead of 1 Arondight. And it has 2 High Energy Beam Cannons instead of 1 M2000X. The only thing that would be missing is the Palma Fiocinas, but y'know what? Who the fuck needs em? Shinn would have done something stupid with them anyway. I do like the Destiny Impulse A LITTLE BIT MORE than the actual Destiny itself, but the Destiny Silhouette is still The Worst Silhouette the Impulse has ever had.

[@thomashare6733]

Let's see 2013, 2016, still no Strike Freedom rant, I am waiting. In other things, we know you hate the Destiny Gundam, but what about it's model kits for it, do you hate them?

[@lessermook7608]

+Thomas Tiger Dude, he had priorities, if anything that should be a good thing. =/

[@WackyModder84]

+Thomas Tiger The Model Kits for the Destiny are FANTASTIC. Both the RG and MG Extreme Blast Mode are all really fucking good kits, and I'd highly recommend them. Just because the Gundam is garbage doesn't mean it's GUNPLA should have to suffer if it's very well made.

[@thomashare6733]

WackyModder84 Dang I did not expect to get a response from this today, cool. And I do agree I have always loved the Destiny Model Kit(I do wish I could repaint it though into different colors). Also in other Gunpla news MG Freedom 2.0 is apparently a really good kit(I really love the re-design).

[@comradefreedom8275]

When I told someone on Facebook that the Destiny Gundam is a concept design for the Freedom Gundam: "oh COME ON!"

[@WackyModder84]

The truth hurts, doesn't it? lol

[@comradefreedom8275]

WackyModder84 I found those 2 chats you use, but I have no idea how they work. ^^"

[@ryanwalters1682]

The Desiny Gundam has thusters on the back (center connection point for the wings) as well as the wings. The wings obviously create thrust upward while the pivoting back center thruster moves the mobile suit forward. As to the issue of the wings not pivoting forward and backwards, I notice you use the Freedom Gundam as an example of wings that are articualted to allow the mobile suit to propel the mobile suit forward. The problem here is that the Freedom Gundam's wings don't have thrusters to propel the mobile suit, so what purpose do they serve?

[@LieutenantD4]

as example for destiny to use articulated wings so it doesn't have to lean really forward for it's wings thruster propel it forward. is that really hard to undestand? do you even watch the entire video

[@gamerrulesgunplarules3063]

my very random question for you? Before you know anything about the Destiny Gundam, What were your thoughts on it when they foreshadow it in opening 2 as GSD was airing ?

[@WackyModder84]

I had no idea wtf that silhouette even was, but it did make me raise a lot of eyebrows on what it could be. But I tried to keep an open mind as best as I could until the Destiny Itself got revealed.

[@Chad-ox4ig]

Something I would like to know is what are your thoughts on the Freedom Gundam. I know you have an upcoming video on the Strike Freedom, and I have heard you talk about it here and there but not much on the Freedom Gundam.

[@WackyModder84]

The X10A Freedom is actually an Okay Gundam for the most part. I really don't have too much against it Technologically Speaking and Unoriginality-Wise. The biggest problem with the X10A Freedom is THE PILOT. That will ALWAYS be the biggest problem with the Freedom. Is that it is piloted by Kira Yamato. Take him out of the Freedom, and then the Freedom would automatically become a much better Gundam.

[@wavemaster4891]

You just insulted my most hated gundam and pilot in all of gundam history using sheer facts and intellegents... You have yourself anew subscriber. THANK YOU friend :)

[@lessermook7608]

Anew, I saw what you did

[@Tomatrix]

I agree with the anti-ship sword design as bull thing. That battle under water the Sword strike had with those amphibious mobile suits makes me wonder: How could the Sword strike fight whem the there was no EDGe?! If they wanted a beam edge sword that combined the concept of phisical swords with beam blades, giving extra weigh in the sword swings, why the real sword edge? Theu could design a curve saber like edge for the strike (And a double edge, pointy like an european sword in the impulse case), where the edge would generate a beam blade, maybe a big bigger; kind of like the beam blades in the beam tomahawks, in the case of pointy double edge swords like the gouf ignited and the impulse, they could have a special formation to use the sword as a beam cannon, hell they could have used the idea for the Freedom, making those sword/cannons a mutual referance to both sword and laucher strike lol Beam Saber that can´t block beams from beam blades? Please. What the purpose of a beam saber, a light weight sword that permite the pilot do a quick attack, compared to a phisical sword. Still, if they wanted a more phisical sword, they could have used the phae shift idea in a MS sword blade, giving it a heat edge by changing it´s colors, not to mention the blade would be harder; or maybe that idea of mine of a blade system with flashy color sparks of two diferent colors that spark, grow and shrink, being one color magnetic that atracts a repeles and the other raises and shrinks heat like heat blade particles, giving the sword a shread effect by atracting and repealing armor particles plus burning quickliy, like a shaving blade do to the speed of those particles blade, and if that existed in the CE, those blades would have a anti beam coating, and those blades could be used in water. Kind of wonder if I would get the Wacky thumbs up for the idea if could be original in a way, usign the idea of a more offensive phase shift , or a thumbs down because it´s not that original in mecha standards lol

[@StoreWar1]

DESTINY GUNDAM APPEARS IN BUILD FIGHTERS TRY! Oh snap wacky!

[@zgmf-x19ainfinitejustice28]

When you think about it, the Destiny really is under-armed. Sure it has weapons for all ranges. But the Legend, Strike Freedom, and Infinite Justice also do. Whatever weapons the Destiny has, the other 3 have something to cancel it out or match in utility, and they just have an overall greater number of equipment.

[@KJtheEverblack]

Honestly, even though the Destiny is still my personal favourite of the 4, have to agree with your points. The Destiny seems to be a jack-of-all trades ms. However, as the saying goes, it also means its a master of none, something that the strike freedom, infinite justice, and legend all have. IJ specialising in melee, both SF and Legend in ranged combat. Another point I want to make is that the Destiny was seemingly designed to be handicapped with slightly worse weaponry. Why on earth would I use a beam sword and beam launcher that are both watered down, and only able to equip one of each? The Destiny Impulse basically rectifies that problem, with that ms having the two excalibur swords from the original sword impulse, and a pair of telescopic cannons that can be fired without being handheld. What really pisses me off then is that they were able do all that for the Impulse, which definitely did not have the power to use such an energy draining sillhouette pack. Which was why they specifically designed the Destiny, a machine that had the engine to push the wings to its maximum, and have a decent operating time. But no, let's give it watered down weapons because we're not sure if the destiny can even handle the weapons to begin with! Why, just why?! Also another point, pretty much all of the Destiny's weapons were designed to be handheld, while the other three all had some form of weaponry that did not require manipulators to use. IJ had the beams on its shins and the Fatum-01, as well as the claw on its shield, both SF and Legend have their dragoons. So, even if those 3 were to lose their arms, they'd theoretically still be able to keep fighting. With the Destiny? Losing your arms means instant defeat, as shown in seed destiny, courtesy of Athrun. Not to mention that all three gundams had relatively high speeds compared to the destiny, so even if Destiny could fly at light-speed, what's light speed when you can't even fight for your own survival? Best you can do is get the hell outta there. Don't even get me started on the Meteor units for IJ and SF. To summarise, I'd say Destiny was kinda disadvantaged to begin with. A generalist that was tasked with fighting against specialists, that also happened to have godlike teamwork. Sending the wrong man for the job I dare say.

[@Starforce119]

Hey Wacky, just finished watching this rant of yours and I would like to know about something. You mentioned that beam sabers couldn't clash with each other because there wasn't a repelling field or something like that. But what about the Gold Frame Amatsu Mina Custom's Okitsu no Kagami offense/defense beam shield system? It can function as a shield and a beam sword. Since the beam shield can block both beam and physical attacks, doesn't that mean that the beam sword from it should be able to clash with other beam sabers?

[@WackyModder84]

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out just what the hell that thing is supposed to be in terms of if it uses the Same Beam Saber Particles as Normal Beam Sabers or not. The description on the Okitsu no Kagami System was extremely vague.

[@AlGetaDustENutz]

I enjoyed Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny. I don't think anything they did was a bad thing. You have a right to your opinion of course. But really, you spend way to much time looking for shit to criticize. 90% of main character Gundams have this fuckin paint job and similar abilities. lol. Might as well criticize every main character Gundam except for the 1978 original. lol. Maaaan just kick back relax get absorbed in the story and watch shit get blown the fuck up. Life is so much easier that way. lol

[@MelonheadJonny]

There's alot of problems about seed destiny and at least the other main characters gundam try something innovative.

[@falloutghoul1]

Thanks for the insight on how impractical this Gundam is, and I'm looking forward to you tearing the Strike Freedom a new one. Also, about the whole Gundam Wiki/MAHQ thing, I wonder why didn't make the changes to the Destiny Gundam's article about the Voiture Lumiere and Holographic Projections since you have the cited information sources. However, the fact that you seem to have this information while everyone else doesn't seems quite...suspicious. I've taken the notes and provided the information, but the fact that you didn't provide such information is rather...strange.

[@lineitempoliticheads6100]

I come back to this after a year. I realize how much salt was used in this. k done, james bond was here.

[@blackRockExile]

Man, this is definitely an eye-opener, especially since I wasn't too heavy on the technical aspects of the mobile suits. Now everything you've been saying on the GSD remastered episodes are starting to make sense. Especially the details that weren't in the gundam wiki (now the f-ing wings of light annoy the hell out of me. Actually, now the whole mobile suit annoys me.)

[@drahcR2]

WackyModder84 can I watch your video of your thoughts on strike freedom gundam? Thanks

[@Crazy4Gundam]

Good heavens, look at the time! Time to bombard Wacky with questions. 1.) Since beam sabers can't clash in the C.E., wouldn't that make mobile suits like the Justice pointless? 2.) Do you think it's possible to continue the C.E. even after Seed Destiny, regardless of Lacus ruling the world. 3.) One thing I've never really understood about Zeta gundam was why make the Titan suits look like Zeons'. Kinda weird. 4.) You've said you really disliked Seed's Black & white presentation. Well in Gundam 00, Ali al-Saachez was pretty 'evil', and so was Rau from Seed. Yet, they're two really liked characters.

[@RoyManada]

I'm going to have my go at these, if you don't mind me answering some of these questions for you, as a random comment Gundam fan. 1.) Since beam sabers can't clash in C.E., it seems more plausible to use the Justice, since the only way for an opposing mobile suit to defend itself would be to use a shield, or trying it's best to maneuver out of the way. 2.) To me, it depends on whether or not Bandai/Sunrise wants to continue it. Years after Lacus and Kira's mark on the world (Thank God), and start a new page in the era. 3.) The whole point of Titans was to HATE the Spacenoids and to "defend" the Earth from them. Using Zeon looking mobile suits can generate hatred for the spacenoids, as Hizacks look like Zakus, the Titans can use this design to attack colonies or gas civilians, and put the blame on Spacenoids or a Zeon faction. 4.) Ali al-Saachez and Rau were evil, but likable because well, they make good villains. The problem that I have with them, is that you know they are truly evil. With Char, he has good intentions for the world, dropping an asteroid on Earth to cause a nuclear winter kills many lives, but would bring about the evolution of people in space, and spread Newtypes around the world. With Rau, he hated pretty much everyone, and wanted to kill anything human to my belief. Saachez was a lover of war, and found war as enjoyment. Saachez was also a backstabber, and it was hard to know what he was going to do...to an extent.

[@WackyModder84]

Crazy4Gundam 1.) No? Not really? It just makes the Justice Gundam extremely melee-oriented. You can still block it's Beam Sabers with your shield like any other Beam Saber, dude. XD 2.) Easily. After all, even The Virgin Mary Clyne isn't immortal. Eventually once she dies off, people are going to IMMEDIATELY start fighting again. Prove me wrong on that one. LOL 3.) I think that was done to invoke fear, from what I can tell. 4.) Ali Al-Saachez is a Mercenary who had an Over-The-Top Attitude and a LUST for War and Killing. That's what made him such a likeable character. The fact that he's just Over-The-Top, has a Bloodlust of a cold-blooded killer, and ENJOYS what he does for a living. As for Rau Le Creuset being likeable: Even though he is a 1-Dimensional Villain, he thinks logically about things in this war. He had this whole scenario planned out from the beginning about taking revenge on Humanity for ruining him as a person with Short Telomeres and aging too quickly. Even though he was 1-Dimensional, in the end, he managed to make it work. And of course, we can't forget The Best Quote in all of Gundam SEED: *"It's a shame, I really did enjoy your songs. But the real world isn't as kind as the one in Pop Songs!!!!"*

[@andrewjohnson8919]

Wacky when will you do the top ten strongest gundams video

[@pergys6991]

Andrew Johnson that would be really hard cause there are a bunch of debates of how powerful each are

[@cydalienyang9533]

*The Reactor ran out* 1. A Nuclear Reactor doesn't run out, the reactor would long melted before the reactor runs out. 2. Your problem of Voiture Lumiere draining more energy than the Reactor produces can easily be solved by raising the Nuclear Reactor's output. Typically a reactor work at a 10% to 30% of maximum capacity for... reasons. 3. If Destiny Gundam's reactors was working at 10% of its capacity, just raise it to 20% (double the amount of power output), if still can't, push it to 30% (X3), if it really bugs you so much, raise it to 40% output becomes 4 times. I believed that could very well happened without mentioning in the anime because Destiny never seemed to run out of energy. 4. Kira said Freedom Gundam have 4 times more energy than Strike doesn't make sense unless he meant that Freedom's batteries can contain 4 times more energy than Strike which makes total sense since Nuclear Reactors produces large amount of energy in a short time. 5. Voiture Lumiere you talked about, if the particles can function like Solar Sail, you can easily replace the Solar Winds with Lasers or electromagnetic field manipulation. 6.The Voiture Lumiere's particles seems to use Electromagnetic fields to hold it together so electromagnetic field is best substitute. It is however, just my opinion because you tried to science anime stuff.

[@aaron2x4]

I enjoyed this thorough video and have also been enlightened with information that I had never known back in the days that I was enjoying Gundam Seed Destiny (till the point where the protagonist titles were switched halfway with Jesus Yamato... and specially the final disappointing battle...) I am looking forward to the coming Strike Freedom video! :) Cheers!

[@Fallen_Ra1n]

I seriously wonder why the voice of your passion is so interesting to listen to. The second thing is that it's logical which makes it even better to listen to. Maybe because it's your passion which makes it nice to listen to.

[@HUNTERSDREAM]

If I were a member of ZAFT weapon research department, I'd tell whoever designed the Wings of Light in the first place to slap himself. Just simply ditch the useless wings and leave the back as a free slot for the Silhouettes Pack units, then the Destiny would probably become a borderline practical mobile suit.

[@chargers1337]

And also WackyModder84, you should make a rant or your thoughts on Celestia!

[@DvonParker]

This guy is very serious about his gundam

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

A good update to that older Destiny rant of yours! Am dying to know when you'll do Strike Freedom

[@Brawler_1337]

TIL Destiny Gundam's wings are fixed. For me, that completely defeats the purpose of having wings in the first place (besides looking pretty).

[@WackyModder84]

+Brawler_1337 Exactly. They're gonna get in the way of everything.

[@Brawler_1337]

+WackyModder84 I mean, wings do make sense when used as verniers like on V2, the Arch Destiny, and Jehuty from Zone of the Enders. They allow for nimble adjustments in flight, and they can add to the intimidation factor of the profile of the mobile suit.

[@crosshair51scope]

(Wrote this as i was watching so read it in the same way and you'll understand what im saying) u say taking things from other gundam is being uninspired. well The inspiration came from those other gundams. And its pretty original. Who has thought of combining the 6 gundams and make one badass gundam which is literally one of the most powerful gundams ever made? And the guy who created destiny gundam was inspired by the 6 gundams u mentioned. I love the Destiny and many others do too. dont try to convince people to hate it like you. also, it lacks innovation which, I agree, it just took everything from the strike. but I like it. and in the anime it has a bajillion times higher performance. And I loved the fact that they showed the Destiny in the 30th anniversary. Thats the amount of love it got and still has:) Love ur COD reference tho XD and fiocina was never even used as a 'beam rifle in your hand' in the anime. more like an exploding mini nuke up in yo face. the shield is a secondary if shit happened to the energy shield. the shield also looks pretty throwable as a weapon. The arondight is badass and cool looking. pretty practical too. ever considered what the blunt tip is made from? No one knows but its extremely practical in the anime so its probably something strong. And beam sabers have been clashed in the cosmic era dude, srsly. also, Anti Ship swords were never made to clash with other beam sabers. hence, the name, Anti-Ship? Its great for cutting through everything but not good for clashing cause it was never made for it. the boomerangs were made for clashing. also, beams in CE have a field. Electro magnetic with Mirage Colloid shit. here is what Mirage Colloid is my friend=The particulate gas that made up the Mirage Colloid consisted of colloid particles that function as microscopic prisms, and they have the ability to bend different forms of energy, allowing it to be used for a variety of military purposes.So what that means is that Mirage colloid is super OP. its abilities is over 9000. It can do anything. it can make units move faster, avoid attacks, immunity and create physical beams. In the games, any MS with Mirage Colloid capabilities can outdo most MSs. another way to explain it, Super Trans-Am which is the stupid explanation for dummies. Arondight is not an upgrade. the Destiny was. So Destiny will never need the Excalibur anyways cause with the Arondight pretty much does what the Excalibur does. Shinn used the Arondight when the Destiny Is moving at super speed towards another MS so Beams all around the sword is not needed to cut anything. the Voiture Lumiere has three variants. one was the one used for the Stargazer. And that one has this=Though not meant as a weapon, it is still very dangerous and capable of sinking Phantom Pain ships. When in used, Stargazer's Voiture Lumiere system causes interruption to the spatial structure of the surroundings. The ability of the Stargzer to deflect and capture incoming beam shots to create a field of shootable beam cutters during the battle with Phantom Pain is likely to an unintended side effect of this spatial structure interruption. And this is the Second Variant Made specifically for combat and military purposes. the last variant is a combination of the two providing speed boosts to the MS. Back to the second variant, here's a description=The second variant is a combat use type developed concurrently by the Martian colonists, ZAFT and Terminal, and are used in GSF-YAM01 Δ Astray, ZGMF-X42S Destiny Gundam and ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom Gundam. For these MS, the system serves as an additional propulsion system that is activated only during acceleration. This version of the Voiture Lumiere system does not rely on solar wind for propulsion, instead it uses the energy from the suit's power plant to propel the suit. about the boosters, the gunpla model based entirely on the anime (not RG) explained the fact that the wings can pop out a bit for articulation. and when i say a bit i mean enough to make it point backwards.The only thing blocking it from doing that would the holsters for the Arondight and beam cannon which can be re positioned for that purpose. the destiny flies cause the boosters are always in use. the Voiture Lumiere is a bunch of particles flying out, not boosters things or fire or whatever that could obstruct the boosters that are still in use. the thing about Voiture lumiere not being able to be used in Earth is just invalid...Destiny uses the second variant that doesnt use solar winds or anything that u cant use on earth. It uses energy from the mobile suit itself which i just explained. Ok at this point i have reached the part where u mention it uses the reactor. but Destiny has a Hyper Deuterion engine. It is self replenishing. so if it runs out, Oh look! I have a reserve! So even if I run out of my primary power, i could still fight on Till the end of the world or just go hide somewhere and recharge for a awhile or just go back to the minerva and recharge through the transfer system. the thing u saw in japanese tho, thats from a gunpla manual. An RG of all. RG does not mimic the anime bro. and its straight from bandai, not sunrise. the light is explained with the fact that Mirage Colloid particles are also in effect when the wings of light go boom boom. and also at this point u mention mirage colloid in the vid so yeah. and yeah, the after images are an unexpected side effect but i know how they probably reacted to this in the anime. "OH NO! after images as side effects! oh wait, this is a good thing! We never needed it in the first place. this machine would've been fine without it but hey, its here, might as well utilize it to confuse the enemy. Thank god for accidents!" and scene. and they installed it on for unknown reasons cause they were like, "Well might as well put in on there cause hey, No harm doing it! Who knows, something good might come out of it. All i know is that with all the data we've obtained, nothing bad will come out of it. good thing happening is a 50/50." And scene. And shinn treated the wings of lights like boosters cause he just got it. How the flying fuck was he suppose to know. he probably never got a manual of sorts and even if he did it would like, A bajillion inches thick. And yes, they're not thrusters/boosters. also, about the positioning of the wings, it dont matter cause theres a huge ass thruster right in the middle there. But bro, love your vid and loved your opinion. I respect you man. Peace!

[@WackyModder84]

ashraf abdillah Ok so now that I got a little time on my hands, let's assess some of the things you said here: > *"u say taking things from other gundam is being uninspired. well The inspiration came from those other gundams. And its pretty original. Who has thought of combining the 6 gundams and make one badass gundam which is literally one of the most powerful gundams ever made? And the guy who created destiny gundam was inspired by the 6 gundams u mentioned."* I believe I already stated in the video why this is a bad thing. Referencing things is all fine and dandy, but you have to remember that there is a very fine line between "Reference" and "Rip-Off". If you take certain traits from Memorable Gundams and proceed to Copy & Paste them on to Unmemorable Gundams, the only thing that does is end up drawing attention to how weak those Gundams are in design and inspiration. The whole thing about "Combining 6 Gundams to make one badass Gundam" is nothing but a child's fantasy right there. Mix and Matching GUNPLA Parts is totally fine, since those are toys. Toys are meant for Children, and kids let their inner fanboys run wild with GUNPLA. But when you're designing a brand new Gundam for a new Gundam Anime, it's extremely important to maintain your Gundam's own unique identity to show the world how it differs from everyone else's Gundams before it. Tacking on material from Six Other Gundams onto One for a Gundam that's supposed to be New that explores areas that have never been done before is just flat-out Lazy, Uninspired, Unoriginal, and taking the Easy Way Out. > *" I love the Destiny and many others do too. dont try to convince people to hate it like you."* I'm not. All I'm doing is showing all the evidence and cited information to tell why this Gundam is a joke, and letting *the fans* decide how to react to them. Nothing more, nothing less. > *"also, it lacks innovation which, I agree, it just took everything from the strike. but I like it. and in the anime it has a bajillion times higher performance."* Uh.....what???? O_o I believe after seeing this entire video, it is very apparent that the Destiny was pretty much *anything* but "Better" than the Strike Gundam in terms of Mobile Suit Design. I mean, don't gemme wrong. The Sword Strike Gundam had bad design too, but the Destiny Gundam is some Next-Level Shit in that department. > *"And I loved the fact that they showed the Destiny in the 30th anniversary. Thats the amount of love it got and still has:)"* Uh....can you elaborate on what the hell you're talking about here, exactly? The only "love" I saw for the Destiny Gundam in the anime can be described as "TOUGH LOVE" in your terms. Does "love" qualify as getting Completely Tossed Aside and Totally Overshadowed by Kira and the Strike Freedom? Does "love" qualify as getting sliced up by the Infinite Justice not once, but twice; ultimately ending up in the Destiny Gundam's DESTRUCTION? If that's what love is, then that's some Tough Love right there if I've ever seen it. lol > *"and fiocina was never even used as a 'beam rifle in your hand' in the anime. more like an exploding mini nuke up in yo face."* *FALSE*. It was used that was 3 Times in the anime. If you didn't see them, then you probably weren't paying attention enough. The first time was when the Destiny was chasing down that GOUF Ignited that Athrun stole, and shot the GOUF Ignited's Heat Rod with it. The second time was at the 2nd Battle of ORB where you see an ORB Murasame get shot down by a Blue Beam in the background. This is easily identifiable as a shot from the Palma Fiocina. The third time was when the Destiny was in combat with the Strike Freedom. You see the Destiny in the background position to shoot, and the Strike Freedom ends up blocking a Beam with Blue Energy, as shown by the Blue Energy dispersing upon making contact with the Strike Freedom's Energy Shield on it's arm. Once again, easily identifiable as the Palma Fiocinas. So that claim right there is just completely false, my friend. And besides, multiple Gundam Games actually had it where the Destiny Gundam used it's Palma Fiocinas as Ranged Weapons as well. Some of which include Gundam SEED Battle Destiny for the PSVITA, and Gundam SEED Destiny: Generation of C.E. for PS2. > *"the shield is a secondary if shit happened to the energy shield."* And just what *could* happen to the Energy Shield, dude? The Destiny Gundam has a Hyper Deuteron Nuclear Reactor. Those things can output Limitless Energy. With that in mind, if the Destiny still ends up running out of power, it won't be just the Energy Shields that would be lost. The whole mobile suit would lose power. You wouldn't be able to defend *shit* with that armshield, because the Gundam's Power would be turned off at that point. > *"the shield also looks pretty throwable as a weapon."* Except not only is it never ever used that way, but *throwing your shield* is a retarded thing to do. When the Impulse did it, Shinn took a huge risk by giving up the one thing he had to block shots with. But hypothetically speaking, if that shield was made for throwing, that is *retarded* mobile suit design, and completely impractical for so many reasons. > *"The arondight is badass and cool looking. pretty practical too."* - Cool-Looking = Yes - Practical = HELL NO. Did you daydream on that part or something? I went into Massive Detail about why that sword's design is a complete joke, and how the Impulse's Excaliburs are far superior to it in every way. > *"ever considered what the blunt tip is made from? No one knows but its extremely practical in the anime so its probably something strong."* (sigh).... Y'know dude, you're really starting to worry me here. Now you're starting to make excuses here. Saying things like "Well, it's *somehow* practical in the anime, so that's good enough for me!" is doing nothing but sucking up to the writer. It doesn't matter how durable that Blunt Tip is, dude. It will still end up getting stuck on very large targets, regardless of what it's made of if it isn't sharpened like the Excalibur's is. In the anime, they make it seem practical; when Logically it is *impossible* for it to be practical. This whole thing can be summed up with two words here, dude: *Bad Writing*. > *"And beam sabers have been clashed in the cosmic era dude, srsly."* Correct. In the Non-HD Remastered Versions of SEED & Destiny, there were actually Quite A Few Moments where Sabers did clash with each other. But there's a little backstory behind that one that I didn't talk about in the video because I found it to be irrelevant to the topic. But since you brought it up, let's talk about it a bit: As I said before, the Non-HD Remastered Versions of SEED & Destiny are where Saber Clashes can be found in the Cosmic Era. However, all of those were actually clashing with the Continuity of the Cosmic Era's established Technological Lore. And after SEED & Destiny were both finished up, released in stores, and aired on TV. The Dev Team was debriefed on that matter about how they weren't supposed to do that, since they basically just ended up contradicting what Beam Sabers were established as. So.....Uh-Oh! We fucked up! What are we gonna do now? We can't just simply Go Back and Change It. The DVD Boxsets are already in stores and it's still airing on National Television. Well, fuck.... That is until the HD Remastered Versions came along and Changed Everything. This finally gave the Dev Team the opportunity to go back and correct this mistake they made. So now with the HD Remastered Versions, 99% of All Beam Saber Clashes were completely removed and edited out. The reason why I said 99% is because they accidentally Missed One in Gundam SEED HD Episode 11. But when every other Saber Clash except that one ended up getting removed and edited out, the one that is still there is easily identifiable as an Animation Error that they accidentally missed. But they still made their point across, regardless. > *"Anti Ship swords were never made to clash with other beam sabers. hence, the name, Anti-Ship? Its great for cutting through everything but not good for clashing cause it was never made for it. the boomerangs were made for clashing. also, beams in CE have a field. Electro magnetic with Mirage Colloid shit."* I am sorry, but there are *so many things wrong* with this statement that I don't even know where to begin, dude. =\ First of all, you got the idea of Anti-Ship Swords misworded completely. Anti-Ship Swords are for exactly what their name says. They are Heavy Swords designed for Anti-Warship Combat. Using them against Mobile Suits is highly impractical. There are *some* exceptions to this, however. The Gundam Astray Blue Frame 2nd L's Buster Sword can be used for both Anti-Mobile Suit AND Anti-Warship Combat. The reason for this is because the entire blade is covered in Anti-Beam Coating. This allows it to be able to Clash against Beam Sabers without the sword getting destroyed. The same thing can be said about the Astray Red Frame's "Gerbera Straight" Katana Sword. This too also was coated in Anti-Beam Coating, and can also Clash with Beam Sabers too. But using the Big and Bulky Anti-Ship Swords like the Sword Strike's Schwert Gewehr, the Impulse's Excaliburs, and the Destiny's Arondight against Mobile Suits is just flat-out Impractical as Hell, because that's not what they're made for. If anything, Anti-Ship Swords would be *fine* for clashing with beam sabers just as long as the sword itself is coated in Anti-Beam Coating. It would be bulky to haul around like that, but it could still work if in the hands of an Excellent Pilot who knows how to carefully balance the weight of his mobile suit in combat with it. As for the Boomerangs being made for Saber Clashing: No offense, dude. But that right there is just Complete and Utter Bullshit if I've ever heard it. The Flash Edges of the Destiny can only turn into Short Beam Sabers in combat as a secondary function. But their main purpose is giving the Destiny the ability to attack someone with a Beam Saber Blade from Mid Range. Beam Sabers and Beam Weapons use two completely different types of Beam Energy Particles, and certain things do not defend as well against Beam Blades as they would against Beam Sabers. But at no point ever did the Flash Edges ever get used to parry a Beam Saber in any form of SEED Destiny. Sorry to correct you, dude. But that claim is 100% Completely False. Now as for your next claim about Beams in CE having a field, I've already proven that to be false. The Electromagnetic Energy Field that holds the Beam Saber Energy Particles in place, yes, is generated via Mirage Colloid Particles. But those Mirage Colloid Particles *DO NOT* act as a Repelling Factor for the Beam Saber. The Electromagnetic Field is Focusing INWARD, and not Pushing Outward so that the Beam Blade can be formed in the shape it is. With that in mind, Other Beam Sabers just pass right through it since they're hitting the magnetic field on the "Attracting" side, and not the Repelling Side; which is focused Inward. I already explained in Vivid Detail the difference between other Beam Saber Technologies and how SEED tried to be different from them, and ended up failing. So if you didn't fully comprehend what I said in the video, I highly suggest checking it out again. > *"here is what Mirage Colloid is my friend=The particulate gas that made up the Mirage Colloid consisted of colloid particles that function as microscopic prisms, and they have the ability to bend different forms of energy, allowing it to be used for a variety of military purposes. So what that means is that Mirage colloid is super OP. its abilities is over 9000. It can do anything. it can make units move faster, avoid attacks, immunity and create physical beams."* Yet again, you are still doing nothing but Sucking Up to the Writer and not questioning any Bad Writing present here. I get the fact that Mirage Colloid was supposed to be the Cosmic Era equivalent of Minovsky Particles from the U.C. Timeline. Doing that would have been totally fine as long as it was done right. But the difference between Minovsky Particles and Mirage Colloid Particles is that Minovsky Particles were explained in Vivid Detail. Not only with novels and official fact files about where and when it was first discovered, but also telling us exactly how it worked. What it's limitations were. How it ended up *evolving* in terms of what it could be used for as the U.C. Timeline progressed. ETC..... With Mirage Colloid we have *NOTHING*. The only thing you did was Quote GundamWiki word-for-word with your Very Weak Defense of Mirage Colloid that you provided. And as I already stated in the video: GundamWiki is not to be trusted for information like this. 90% of their articles are all Assumption-Based, and not based on the Official Fact Files or Sources from Bandai and Sunrise Themselves. Mirage Colloid's official file doesn't say anything of the sort like that. Nor does it say how it was establshed. When it was discovered. What it's limitations are. Or any other important information like that. So in other words, Mirage Colloid is nothing but a Big, Fat, Gaping, Plot-Device that the writer literally just pulled out of their ass with no logical thought behind it whatsoever. > *"In the games, any MS with Mirage Colloid capabilities can outdo most MSs."* Comparing the games to the real source material is a pointless argument. This isn't like what I said about the Palma Fiocinas, dude. Because that one at least was *established to be able to do that* in the anime before Games started adapting it into their own unique visions. Mirage Colloid is a completely different matter entirely with that one. > *"another way to explain it, Super Trans-Am which is the stupid explanation for dummies."* Uh....no it isn't??? That's just flat-out *Untrue*, dude. This isn't even the Funny-Type of Untrue. That's just lying for the sake of lying. O_o Trans-AM and Voiture Lumiere are nowhere even remotely comparable. > *"Arondight is not an upgrade. the Destiny was. So Destiny will never need the Excalibur anyways cause with the Arondight pretty much does what the Excalibur does.."* Dude, do you even realize how little sense what you just said there makes? In all seriousness, do you? You just contradicted yourself here. First you said that the Arondight *isn't* an upgrade. Then you said that the Arondight can do everything the Excalibur does? Uh...lemme ask you this: *Q:* Can the Arondight become a Double-Bladed Anti-Ship Sword? *A:* NO *Q:* Does the Arondight have a Sharpened Tip that can also have the Beam Blade *extend* over the tip of the Blade for slicing through and impaling larger targets with? *A:* NO I fail to see even *remotely* how the Arondight can do half of the shit the Excalibur can. > *" Shinn used the Arondight when the Destiny Is moving at super speed towards another MS so Beams all around the sword is not needed to cut anything"* I'm sorry........*WHAT*???????? *NOTHING* you just said even *remotely* made any lick of sense at all. Was that even *English*?? O_o;; > *"the Voiture Lumiere has three variants. one was the one used for the Stargazer. And that one has this=Though not meant as a weapon, it is still very dangerous and capable of sinking Phantom Pain ships. When in used, Stargazer's Voiture Lumiere system causes interruption to the spatial structure of the surroundings. The ability of the Stargzer to deflect and capture incoming beam shots to create a field of shootable beam cutters during the battle with Phantom Pain is likely to an unintended side effect of this spatial structure interruption. And this is the Second Variant Made specifically for combat and military purposes. the last variant is a combination of the two providing speed boosts to the MS. Back to the second variant, here's a description=The second variant is a combat use type developed concurrently by the Martian colonists, ZAFT and Terminal, and are used in GSF-YAM01 Δ Astray, ZGMF-X42S Destiny Gundam and ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom Gundam. For these MS, the system serves as an additional propulsion system that is activated only during acceleration. This version of the Voiture Lumiere system does not rely on solar wind for propulsion, instead it uses the energy from the suit's power plant to propel the suit."* Wow. =_=;; Good Job quoting GundamWiki again, even despite the fact that I said multiple times in the video that they are not to be trusted with this type of information, and that their articles are almost entirely assumption-based with barely any citation or quotations from the official sources. > *"about the boosters, the gunpla model based entirely on the anime (not RG) explained the fact that the wings can pop out a bit for articulation. and when i say a bit i mean enough to make it point backwards.The only thing blocking it from doing that would the holsters for the Arondight and beam cannon which can be re positioned for that purpose. the destiny flies cause the boosters are always in use. the Voiture Lumiere is a bunch of particles flying out, not boosters things or fire or whatever that could obstruct the boosters that are still in use."* You do realize that the RG 1/144 Destiny's tweak with the Wings to give the SLIGHT Articulation isn't even canon, right dude? I figured that would be fucking *obvious*. By that logic, that would also mean the Strike Freedom's Golden Skeletal Frame on it's Wings with the MG, PG, and RG GUNPLAs of it would be considered canon as well. When in reality, it obviously isn't. > *"the thing about Voiture lumiere not being able to be used in Earth is just invalid...Destiny uses the second variant that doesnt use solar winds or anything that u cant use on earth. It uses energy from the mobile suit itself which i just explained."* The only thing you did was copy and paste the GundamWiki article on it; which again, is all completely Assumption-Based with no official citations or quotations from the official sources to back up their claims. That whole claim you had right there is completely invalid. > *"Ok at this point i have reached the part where u mention it uses the reactor. but Destiny has a Hyper Deuterion engine. It is self replenishing. so if it runs out, Oh look! I have a reserve! So even if I run out of my primary power, i could still fight on Till the end of the world or just go hide somewhere and recharge for a awhile or just go back to the minerva and recharge through the transfer system."* Dude, I'm slowly starting to think you're trolling at this point. *Please* feel free to prove me wrong, but that's honestly what it's beginning to look like here. And dude, even Hyper Deuteron Reactors can be drained if what is draining them is doing it faster than the reactor can replenish itself. And when the reactor runs out of power and completely shuts down, it then has to be physically recharged, repaired, given maintenance. and started back up again. You are completely misinformed about how Hyper Deuteron Reactors work, dude. lol > *"the thing u saw in japanese tho, thats from a gunpla manual. An RG of all. RG does not mimic the anime bro. and its straight from bandai, not sunrise."* First of all, the info you see from the GUNPLA manuals are from the OFFICIAL FACT FILES, dude. They are one of the most accurate things you can get to find information on a mobile suit. The GUNPLA Manuals tell a lot about their technology. And whenever that fact file gets updated, usually it shows up in the later-released version of that GUNPLA. And in this case, the RG 1/144 Destiny was the latest version of it that had the most Up-To-Date Info from the Destiny's Official Fact File. So yeah, dude! This info is 100% Completely Credible. *Point Invalid* > *"the light is explained with the fact that Mirage Colloid particles are also in effect when the wings of light go boom boom."* What the hell are you even talking about? When the Wings of Light go "boom boom"? What the fuck does that even *mean*? O_o > *"and yeah, the after images are an unexpected side effect but i know how they probably reacted to this in the anime. "OH NO! after images as side effects! oh wait, this is a good thing! We never needed it in the first place. this machine would've been fine without it but hey, its here, might as well utilize it to confuse the enemy. Thank god for accidents!" and scene. and they installed it on for unknown reasons cause they were like, "Well might as well put in on there cause hey, No harm doing it! Who knows, something good might come out of it. All i know is that with all the data we've obtained, nothing bad will come out of it. good thing happening is a 50/50.""* Do you have any idea how stupid all of that sounds, dude? These are military scientists who just decided to just jumble a bunch of shit together without even thinking? Does that sound professional at all to you? Absolutely Not, dude. You are once again resorting to making up excuses and sucking up to the writer yet again. You need to stop doing that, my friend. It's starting to look really bad on yourself, and it's making you look like Fukuda's Corporate Slave here. Military Inventions are not built based on accidents, dude. That is a *laughable* argument right there. > *"And scene. And shinn treated the wings of lights like boosters cause he just got it. How the flying fuck was he suppose to know. he probably never got a manual of sorts and even if he did it would like, A bajillion inches thick. And yes, they're not thrusters/boosters. also, about the positioning of the wings, it dont matter cause theres a huge ass thruster right in the middle there."* *WOW**. Are you seriously trying to tell me that nobody at any point *briefed* Shinn about how to use the fucking Gundam in the first place? If hypothetically speaking, that was true. Do you have *any idea* how fucking retarded, unprofessional, illogical, and nonsensical that would be for Military Personal to just simply give a Highly Advanced Piece of Military Technology without a full briefing on how that technology works? You cannot be serious right here, dude. =_=;; > *"But bro, love your vid and loved your opinion. I respect you man. Peace!"* Well, I appreciate the support and I'm happy you enjoyed my thoughts on this Gundam. But as for *YOU*, I got some news for you, my friend. You need to get more educated on the Cosmic Era Timeline if you ever wanna be taken seriously by me again. The arguments you tried to defend this Gundam here ranged from being Misinformed to just Flat-Out Laughably Untrue. Don't gemme wrong here. I ain't forcing you to hate the Destiny Gundam at all when I say that. You can enjoy the Gundam all you want, but *DO NOT* try to make excuses for it's flaws. Doing so is both Naive and Foolish. And only results in making yourself look stupid in public.

[@crosshair51scope]

WackyModder84 Okay okay, I lose. But i still love it nonetheless.

[@megacat4529]

Is there ANYTHING you like about the Destiny?

[@WackyModder84]

No, I can't say there really is. This Gundam just embodies everything wrong with Gundam Design as a whole.

[@megacat4529]

What about the outer frame design?

[@JayDuron-in1hj]

Hey Wacky I included the Strike Freedom in my 37th anniversary video "Evolution of Gundam" just letting you know peace✌🏻️

[@WackyModder84]

Jay Duron I hope you put the Infinite Justice and the Destiny with it, otherwise Wacky might have to whip a bitch. I'll be watching you. >_>

[@JayDuron-in1hj]

No, it was only the main Gundam, but I'm so sorry if I made you mad

[@darylong9827]

Well.... Destiny gundam is one of my favourite gundam for design, this is my opinion so dun change at. Plus, maybe the designers ran out of ideas. They made so many gundam, nice looking , weird looking and dumb looking but I had love gundam since like 4 years old, I know I am to young to watch it but I did not really care about the show than, I only like the design . no one in the world can be so creative to think of so many designs. (oh and is it me or are you yelling a little too much. Not trying to say that your a rager) oh and when u talk about the shiny gundam fighting the destiny gundam, I have to say u are right, shiny gundam will just rape him in to pieces

[@darylong9827]

On line 3,I typed at instead of it. Sry for typo

[@ryanwalters1682]

The combat version of Voiture Lumiere uses an internal laser beam powered by the suit's power plant as the energy source, and it is then converted via a special process into a strong light pressure which is then used as thrust.

[@Phogoth]

I honestly can't wait for your Strike Freedom video. I learned so much O.o

[@Nataku302]

yep

[@thomasgibbs3482]

and almost one year of no new content.

[@TeamFoxGG]

You thought Way too deep into this Lol, but nice video anyway

[@WackyModder84]

Not at all. I just told you guys what Sunrise, Bandai, and Fukuda told US. And how what they told US makes no goddamn sense. lol

[@superrewind]

I be watching you gameplay videos

[@WackyModder84]

@Minh Le Sure, you're not, buddy. No really, I believe you. lol

[@darkzero967]

cant wait for strike freedom's turn to be utterly wreaked

[@ewancook351]

Doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

[@ShroudSavage]

Hey wacky, what do you think of gundam build fighters, and what is your favorite gundam(unless its the turn a, then never mind)? Have you seen kill la kill, and if you have, what are your thoughts on it? Ps, how's your low-spec update #4 going? Can't wait for arch destiny. That's gonna be my first mod for a gunpla model :)

[@WackyModder84]

One does not simply MOD a Destiny Gundam into the Arch Destiny Gundam, my friend. The Arch Destiny Gundam would need to have 3D Printed CUSTOM PIECES to make that work. lol

[@ShroudSavage]

WackyModder84 sorry for kind of putting the same comment on this vid to you. Google+ made me think that my comments on this video and others just disappeared. Anyway, have you seen build fighters eps. 9? Also, I've been thinking about making my own version of the beginning gundam, since its one of my fav gundams/gunplas.

[@ernelbrianpineda6065]

Having a both physical and energy based shield is good. Based from armored core, its good to have both. Physical gives more weight but energy based equipment drains power quickly. Energy shield is a good back up.

[@justinmarquez5829]

destiny still looks cool...

[@WackyModder84]

And? Aesthetics should only come as a BONUS, dude. If Aesthetic Qualities are the only possible redeeming quality of a Gundam that is ultimately shit, then there is something wrong there. Don't you think?

[@petesok2425]

This dewd has a StankMouth. RIP

[@WackyModder84]

+Pete Sok Is that some kind of slang for the fact that I swear a lot? Or are you literally saying I have bad breath? lol

[@pheonixreborn6305]

WackyModder84 Def. bad mouth. You smell just fine

[@flamefox5287]

The strike freedom and destiny gundam are just gundams that lacks imagination, but the nu gundam has some unique weapons and a good design. Wacky how many refferences that the nu gundam have?

[@WackyModder84]

+kennieth fox None that I can think of off the top of my head. That Gundam was totally unique for its time.

[@flamefox5287]

that is true, but I want to know something. what if someone decided to make a psycho gundam mk2? or make one of the most dangerous gundam of them all?

[@WackyModder84]

kennieth fox Uhhh....Psyco Gundam MK-II already exists, dude. Did you watch Zeta Gundam all the way thru??? lol Hell, even the Psyco Gundam MK-III is a thing too! XD

[@flamefox5287]

@@WackyModder84 Eventually I did but I did learn a lot from your videos when it comes to mobile suit design and the science behind it

[@smithbaran2908]

Let me make notes on your comments regarding the Destiny Gundam (This will be my longest post *ever* in my life. Brace yourselves): On the Destiny's design, IDK if you noticed, but I think that was almost the* entire idea* regarding the Destiny's conception: a conglomeration of designs in a new form. Most notable of these is the Zeta Gundam with it's design aesthetics (mouthplate without groves, gold v-fin, blue/red color-scheme with black/red for the backpack binders), just like Shinn himself is similar to the Zeta Gundam's pilot Kamille Bidan regarding their story arc and their tragic stories regarding Stella Loussier and Four Murasame respectively. In fact, one can see more then a few similarities between Kira's Freedom/Strike Freedom and Amuro Rey's Nu Gundam with the remote gunpods and black torso, but those were more subtle - nowhere near as many blatant similarities as the ones between the base designs of the Strike Gundam and the original RX-78-2 Gundam, and between Amuro and Kira themselves. Hell, you could say SEED and SEED Destiny are basically alternate timelines or parallel counterparts to Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam - so you could say that the carbon-copy of the Zeta Gundam's paint-job was completely intentional because of their objective to parallel Shinn to the Zeta's pilot Kamille. Besides, it's not like gundams emulating other gundams - even piece for piece & part for part sometimes - is all that unheard of. Just look at the 0 Gundam in "Mobile Suit Gundam 00," which is almost an exact replica of the original RX-78-2 Gundam, with the only major differences being the eye color (0 Gundam had green while RX Gundam had yellow), and the GN drive that the 0 Gundam had on it's back in place of the RX Gundam's booster-pack - and the similarities become even more painful when the 0 Gundam get's the blue/red torso paint-job in the series finale of "Gundam 00." And I also need to remind you that a lot of the Mobile Suits used by protagonists in the Gundam verse tend to have large wing-binders or light/energy-based 'wings.' SEED, SEED Destiny, Zeta Gundam, Gundam 00, Gundam Wing and G Gundam come to mind off the top of my head, and you can't say that the blue/red on white with gold-highlights colors haven't been done to death by a bunch of Gundams before and after the Destiny Gundam came along - it's pretty much the staple paint-job of a gundam these days. As for the six gundams: - Systems mimicking the Voiture Lumiere system/Wings of Light system was put in several other SEED Gundams at that point, such as the Strike Freedom with the "Wings of the Sky" effect, and the Delta Astray and Turn Delta Astray had it as well, so it's not like the system was unique to it in the first place even from a SEED standpoint since, chronologically, the Delta Astray/Turn Delta Astray had the system first - and to be honest, those two machines emulate the Victory-2 and Turn-A (the former more-so then the latter) in design and functionality more then the Destiny does, and the Strike Freedom took on the system for itself. - The Strike Gundam having a resemblance makes perfect sense because the Destiny's armaments were derived from the Impulse Gundam's Silhouette packs, and both the Silhouette Packs and the the Impulse itself were derived from the Strike Gundam - hence the correlation/similarities. The Destiny is basically the Strike's "grandchild." - The Zeta Gundam resemblance makes sense too because near as I can tell, the writers tried heavily to parallel SEED Destiny and Shinn Auska to Zeta Gundam and Kamille Bidan - just like they mimicked the tragedy of Kamille and Four with Shinn and Stella, right down to the giant mobile suits of mass destruction the two women piloted (Psycho Gundam and Destroy Gundam respectively), so to was the Destiny given parallels to the Zeta Gundam to reflect the similarity between their respective pilots, no different then how the Strike Gundam's paint-job mirrors the RX-78-2 Gundam's in correlation to Kira paralleling Amuro Rey's start as a Gundam Pilot. To be blunt, the Destiny started out as a machine developed from the Strike Gundam with inspiration from the Turn-A and Victory-2 Gundam for the wings of light, and with Zeta Gundam's colors and design ascetics to parallel Shinn's similarities with him (which ended up being quite a lot in the end, even with how the returning protagonist of a past series overshadowed his own story). - The Shining Gundam... well, that one I admit was likely an inspiration with the Palma Falciona weapons (which BTW were designed to *double* as close-range and melee weapons - but not against beam sabers, though Shinn was too lost in his panic attack to realize what the hell he was doing, as evidenced by how he almost killed Lunamaria in his fit of blind rage - and on top of that, I'm not sure you can definitively say that the God Gundam could "go right through the Destiny" when Palma Falciona's melee workings aren't really tested for something like that, so we don't know to begin with) - but aside from that, I actually think the Strike Freedom could be considered a machine that took just as much from the Shining Gundam, what with all the gold parts it had, which emulate the Shining Gundam's super-mode. - The features of the F-91 Gundam were used in the Legend, Infinite Justice, Strike Freedom and many more machines in SEED Destiny before the Destiny was revealed, with the lightwave-shield barriers they used, and on the whole after-image thing, that seems like a very coincidental thing to try and say they "clearly" ripped off of from, as is so minute that it's hardly the blaring rip-off you seem to make it as - plus, it's not like such after-effects were exclusive to that: take a look at the Trans-Am system in Gundam 00, and in the previously mentioned Delta Astray and Turn Delta Astray. All in all, I think saying the suit doesn't have it's own identity is false - and that it's not quite ripping off those suits anymore then others have already done - take the Strike Freedom, which took elements of the Nu Gundam, Victory-2 Gundam, Shining Gundam and F-91 Gundam - three of which were the same gundams you cited as being the source of the Destiny Gundam. And on a personal note, I daresay you weren't any more creative in your own "Arch Destiny" design, since you basically just took the original Destiny build and put in new references to *more* gundams (this time from the same damn series: Gundam SEED - namely the Strike Noir Gundam and the original Freedom Gundam, or at least those are the two that came to mind when I saw your re-design) - but that's a topic for another day. Now, on to the matter of "innovation" - starting with it's weapons. First off, I said it before but will restate it for posterity: the Destiny's weapons were designed off the Impulse Gundam's Silhouette packs because the Destiny was a machine that Durandall commissioned specifically for Shinn to pilot - thus, the Destiny's weapons were designed to be an amalgam of the Impulse Gundam's weapons. And both the Silhouette packs and the Impulse Gundam itself was based off the Strike Gundam, hence why the armaments are so similar - they share the same family-tree of development. The Destiny Gundam's weapons are, in laymen's terms, literally the children of the ones Shinn used with the Impulse Gundam, and by extension are the grandchildren of the ones the Strike Gundam carried - hence the resemblance in both design and in function. And it's also why the machine's design was revived by the SEED series writers to be the Destiny Gundam - the Destiny was a machine Durandall build specifically for Shinn, and thus embodies all the Impulse's Silhouette Packs, which in turn were based off the Strike Gundam's Striker Packs - hence why the design made sense to build: after all, Shinn's Impulse Gundam, from it's design aesthetics to it's multi-mode functionality and even it's three base combat modes, is basically just the Strike Gundam with a core-block system. It's basically the same machine - hence why building the Destiny as a machine that was based off the Impulse's design is basically the same as building it off the Strike's, and why there were little subsequent differences in the armaments the three carried, though I'm guessing the nuclear core and Voluture Lumanire system/Wings of Light may be why they had to sacrifice the core-fighter system that the Impulse had. If anything, due to the bombardment-style fighting that Kira took up with the Freedom, you could call Shinn the true inheritor of the Strike's legacy, as he used that same interchangeable and diverse system to beat the Freedom and the Strike's original pilot Kira (that is, back when Shinn had Rey planning it out for him, and wasn't letting pure untempered blind rage and his own wounded pride dictate his actions). On top of that, there were indeed some alterations - namely the fact that a nuclear power-core could provide more powerful blasts then the original Strike armaments could, without as much risk of running out of power mid-battle (unless you wasted the energy pointlessly like Shinn did half the time). That was the nameful alteration to the cannon, in addition to it's more compact folding framework, and the blade design was improved in how the Arondight could also fold up for storage and be more compact then it's predecessors - but in terms of it's functionality... well, let's face it: the anti-ship sword was never a weapon that was altered much in terms of design. Hell, the Excalibur Anti-Ship sword that the Impulse Gundam carried seemed to be a mirror image of the Schwert Gewehr Anti-Ship Sword that the Strike Gundam carried, with the only difference being the ability to connect it to a second one for an even more unwieldy double-bladed weapon. By contrast, the Arondight Anti-Ship sword that the Destiny carried can be seen as a breakthrough in how it can be compacted and stored, and subsequently brought out to battle easier, and the weapon itself was given to the Destiny to help it deal with heavily-armored targets like the Destroy Gundam, or an enemy warship - though in my opinion, it was probably given to the Destiny with the goal to send it against the Archangel, as it's armor would make it highly resistant to standard beams. After all, the Archangel was a ship Durandall wanted destroyed at all costs. And in addition to that, you've missed something important regarding the Flash Edge beam boomerangs - namely the fact that they could double as the Destiny's *beam sabers.* Yes, full-size beam sabers. I'd call that a marked improvement - and in addition to that, they could shift blade-length to be much longer then the original boomerangs were, meaning a you'd need to make a much larger dodge to evade their range. So all in all, the designs were largely the same but did have improvements - just like the Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice had largely the same framework and design, but with marked improvements - the Freedom's was the DRAGOON system and the Justice was the multiple beam-blades. Now, the Destiny's arm-shield - I believe that *was* given in order to defend against physical weapons like rocket-claws, armor-schneider knives, melee weapons, heat-whips like what the GOOUF Ignited would use, and perhaps a temporary defense against other anti-ship swords. It could also serve as a back-up if the energy-shields were lost or if the attack got too far inside the Destiny's guard to use the energy-shields. The energy shields would be for defense against beam-energy weapons, but the physical shield strikes me as the best defense for physical weapons - I'm sure the Destroy Gundams could have used them when the Destiny and Impulse were carving straight through their barriers with their anti-ship swords (which, BTW, makes your claim of the energy sheilds being able to "completely block both physical and energy attacks *"completely invalid"* - that or the fact that you didn't consider melee weapons at all.) My best example would be how in Gundam 00, the Exia was given a physical blade to cut through GN fields - the Destiny's shield is basically to protect against any SEED equivalents of said barrier-piercing weapons. The energy shields stop energy weapons, but not physical melee weapons - that's a *pretty big reason* to need or want a physical shield, dude. The Infinite Justice had a physical shield in addition to having an energy-shield too, and was listed as having that extra defense as a countermeasure for the eventuality in which the beam-shield was pierced (which lends validation to my words on the energy shields being vulnerable against physical melee blades) - and I think the Destiny and Infinite Justice had these because both had melee capabilities and would need those as an extra defense when up-close, though the Justice moreso then the Destiny due to the Justice's over-reliance on melee weapons - unlike the Strike Freedom and the Legend, which were long-range artillery units that spammed beam-attacks, and thus were focused on eliminating threats before they got close. The Infinite Justice and Destiny didn't have the heavy ranged capabilities of either the Strike Freedom or Legend to blow away swarms of enemies before they could close the distance, hence why they had extra defenses in the form of physical shields to protect against all eventualities. The energy shield can't defend against *everything* - so, it's really not a waste nor is it useless, especially since you were wrong about it being completely invulnerable to physical attacks. In this regard, I think you jumped the gun. With the Anti-Ship Sword, I think the explanation is that this is why the blades are so long in the first place - so that you strike with the edge without getting too close to the tip and thus avoid getting stuck. On top of that, the Arondight wasn't designed for pure anti-ship combat like the Excalibur was - the Excalibur was designed with the intent of piercing deep through ship hulls to the vital points inside and not for general anti-mobile suit combat, while the Arondight was made to be used in more then just anti-ship combat - it was meant to be an armor/barrier breaker against all units, especially those with barriers or beam-resistant armor. I mentioned before that physical blades could puncture the energy-shields - the Arondight was likely designed so as to puncture those barriers like a spear in a way that beam weapons consistently failed at, or as suggested before, through laminated anti-beam armoring like what the Archangel had which could always shrug off most beam attacks. Plus, IDK if you ever knew this, but Anti-Ship Swords would tend to *ALREADY be coated in anti-beam lamination* - making them *the only swords that CAN reliably block a Cosmic-era beam saber.* What you've advocated is likely *already done.* But, just like with water dripping repetitively on paint, too many strikes will wear that coating away, which is why Shinn's blade didn't break *instantly* during his fight with Athurn - or did you miss the series of fly-by clashes the duo performed, or when the same thing happened between Shinn and Kira during the siege of ORB and Shinn's blade didn't break on the first strike? As for beam saber vs beam saber on "repelling factors" - what about the electromagnetic energy field itself? Have you considered that? And on top of that, Mirage Colloid is supposedly the same thing that's used in the creation of the Geschmeidig Panzer deflection fields that the Forbidden Gundam and the Requiem superweapon used (figure that one out, why don't you?). So, in the numbered instances where blades did cross in the SEED timeline, perhaps the particles themselves are deflecting each-other due to different electromagnetic energy-outputs and different streams of energy? Besides, the blade-locks rarely lasted long, so perhaps they can't block other beams for more then a few seconds at best. With Voiture Lumiere, let's start with it being adapted for combat. Namely, your issue with it going against what the system was meant for. To counter this, I must point out that the GENESIS superweapons was *also* originally designed as a transport-boosting system that used it's energy to propel a ship like a slingshot - let me repeat that: *GENESIS* was originally a *transport system*. And then it got turned into a weapon of mass destruction. In fact, you could say the original intent of GENESIS creation was what served as the springboard that led to the development of the Voiture Lumiere system - so can you really be that shocked that it was turned into a weapon? I mean, come on - name me one technological advancement that hasn't been militarized, has been militarized, or will be militarized. Complaining about scientific finds being re-purposed for military is, quite honestly, one of the most redundant thing's I've ever heard of since it already happens so much in both sci-fi and in real life. On the matter of the Destiny Gundam's wings "limited articulation", that's actually not true - the Destiny's wings have limited movement capability. I say limited because most of the propulsion comes from the Voiture Lumiere rather then conventional thrust. The wings can make minute shifts or tilt slightly, almost like inboard/outboard flaps on an airplane's wings - they do not move much, but they can make small shifts. As for how the Destiny can fly - same as the Stargazer: it's using the Voiture Lumiere to propel itself and hover. Also, IDK if you noticed, but the Destiny has thrusters on both it's shins and on it's back right between the wing-binders (both visible from your own photo, BTW, so IDK how you could have missed them), so it has added thrust to get it moving and to support it when hovering. Voiture Lumiere is basically used for the forward thrust while the thrusters on the legs and back are likely what are used to alter the trajectory or keep it level, and there are probably smaller vents or the like on the wings that help shift it's direction as well when in high-speed flight. On the topic of using it in the atmosphere, I should remind you that, if it's retrofitted for combat, would it really make sense for it to have the same limitations as the Stargazer? After all, like you yourself pointed out, the Wings of Light *aren't* just the Voiture Lumiere system. Remember, the Wings of Light *combines* the Voitue Lumiere system, and the Mirage Colloid system - It's the Mirage Colloid particles emitted that bounce the Destiny's reflection off them when the wings are opened, and are what causes the after-image of the Destiny when the Wings of Light are activated, as you said. But Mirage Colloid particles also are used in beam weapons or deflection systems. Perhaps the Destiny was retrofitted to use the multipurpose Mirage Colloid particles as a *substitute* for solar rays, hence why the suit doesn't need to sit still. Same "windsail" premise, but it would be more like holding a hairdryer to the sails instead of letting gradual wind pick up. It could also explain why the Destiny is the only SEED mobile suit ever witnessed to have nearly exhausted a nuclear battery (during the ORB siege when the Strike Freedom first engaged it) - because of how many specialized mirage colloid particles it emits at once on top of running the Voiture Lumiere system, this artificial approximation/imitation of the original solar wind concept drains the Destiny's battery faster then a machine like the Strike Freedom can, with how many goddamn particles the thing has to emit to get the desired effect without sitting still for solar winds - and this, coupled with the conventional thrusters on the back and on the shins can explain the intense speeds the Destiny can travel at. On top of that, as a military machine, performance would likely be prioritized over energy-efficacy - and being able to make weapons like GENESIS and Neo-GENESIS in the first place, ZAFT probably had more nuclear cores then it knew what to do with with which to re-supply the Destiny's core with should it burn out completely from prolonged use. The reflective nature of the Mirage Colloid particles refracting the light from the thrusters would also explain the pink color the wings take on when the particles are forcibly vented out the wings through the Voiture Lumiere. And I'd bet that the production of particles needed to maintain that speed in a gravity well would be much higher then in space, hence why the Destiny was running low by the time of it's first encounter with the Strike Freedom during the siege of ORB. That same burst mechanic you mentioned before could also explain why the wings aren't always open or aren't always projecting particles - and when the Destiny was forced to draw out it's "bursts," I think it seemed to slow down a bit. On the subject of the Destiny's Wings of Light never being *used* in bursts... well, *look* at who was piloting the thing. Does Shinn really strike you as the type to use a system like the Wings of Light *efficiently?* You know, verses "bleeding it out until it runs dry?" I honestly think that (perhaps unintentional as it may have been when creating the scenes) the constant use of the Wings of Light reflected Shinn's inability to pace himself in combat or properly utilize the suit he was given (and considering it was custom-built for him, that says alot about how much he let his pride and emotions get to him in a fight). I mean if you told someone like Shinn "do not overuse the system" or "keep it to controlled bursts only".... do you really think he'd listen to you? Because he'd strike me as the "I don't have time for this - I'm gunning it!" type. Just because Shinn used them like conventional boosters all the time doesn't mean they were meant or perhaps even designed to be used that way - for all we know, that could have been Shinn forcing way too much out of the Destiny then was recommended or even safe to do, just like I'm sure splitting the Impulse's torso from it's leg units during the fight with the Freedom wasn't safe or within recommended operating perimeters either. With the discovery of the Destiny's hologram after-image, I'm pretty sure the same thing happened with GENESIS in it's discovery of being a potential superweapon when it was originally supposed to be a propulsion springboard. And, to be fair, the discovery doesn't really strike me as all that shocking or detrimental - the Destiny was an experimental mobile suit and Durandall didn't strike me as the type that would be against testing anything and everything he could find or do that could give him an edge. I mean, did you *see* the things the EA forces were churning out all of a sudden? Improved extendeds? Mirage Colloid-equipped ships? Lightwave Barrier-equipped mobile armors? The massive behemoth that was Destroy Gundam? And on top of that, Durandal wanted the Freedom and the Archangel brought down so as to end any potential interference from Lacas Clyne. Can you really call him crazy for experimenting with this tech in any way he could looking for ways to level the playing field? Accidental discovery during experimentation strikes me as how a lot of major advancements come around. Plus, they had somewhat good relations with the martian-human colonists who fielded the Delta Astray and Turn Delta Astray, so it's not like they weren't a little bit versed in what Voiture Lumiere's capabilities were. It was a time of war - of course they'd experiment to find a new way to get an edge over their enemies. On the breakdown bit, let's go over everything: The Destiny's wings *do* in fact have minute articulation, like flaps on a plane's wings - subtle, but enough to change the thrust's direction (using thrust for lack for a better word here). The Destiny has conventional thrusters on it's side-mounted hip-skirts, on the back of it's shins, and on it's back between the wing-binders, so that can also provide the needed propulsion boost to kick start it, or shift it's trajectory when in high-speed mode. It's possible that the Wings of Light require venting mirage colloid particles through the Voiture Lumiere system as a way of artificially replicating solar winds without actually needing to gather solar winds, which would explain the bright coloration of the wings as the mirage colloid particles refract light from the surrounding vents and thrusters, and why the Destiny's battery drains faster then other nuclear-powered suits though the high particle-production and the maintaining of the Voiture Lumiere system on top of it's weapons systems. This, combined with the thrust from the conventional thrusters, would allow the Destiny to "cheat"/mimic what the Stargazer does without having to actually use solar winds. For the recap bit: 1) The machine was basically designed to be a parallel to the Zeta Gundam with it's color-scheme just like it's role and that of it's pilot mirrored Kamille Bidan, with the suit itself taking inspiration from the Strike Gundam (which is it's "grandfather" in the series, through how it's "father" is the Impulse Gundam, which is in turn the "son" of the Strike Gundam), and from the Shining Gundam and Turn-A Gundam (I didn't include the F-91 Gundam or Victory-2 Gundam because, to be honest, several of the SEED Destiny-era suit designs took from the Victory-2 Gundam (Delta Astray, Turn Delta Astray, and the Strike Freedom with the "Wings in the Sky" effect it had when the DRAGOON's launcheded), and especially from the F-91 Gundam (Lightwave barriers up the wazoo on most of the final-stage mobile suit and mobile-armor designs,and I saw a few similarities in design aesthetics for it with the Infinite Justice and even in it's predecessor, the original Justice) so IDK if you can really make that strong a case with those two). 2) The Destiny was based off the technology of the Impulse, which in turn was based off the Strike, hence the similar designs. On top of that, said assumption is from a cosmetic standpoint - weapons fueled by a nuclear reactor would have more kick to them and last longer without draining the battery. And with the Arondight blade, I explained that the tip was probably reversed to an earlier design because physical melee blades would likely have an easier time piercing through lightwave barriers then beam sabers would - used like an armor-piercing spear or javelin then a conventional blade against those targets, whereas it's cutting blade would be for mobile suits. Oh - and I'll bring up that anti-ship swords are likely coated in anti-beam lamination again, in case that was missed. 3) This part is, I think, partly confusion/assumption/guesswork on your part due to the way Mirage Colloid/Voiture Lumiere's "marriage" is never properly explained, as well as the fact that you've missed the fact that the Destiny has thrusters in more places then just it's wings and the fact that the wings are minutely articulate, rather then being completely inarticulate. So in closing, I really don't get why you hate this Gundam the way you do - dislike, I could understand, but 'hate with all your heart"? That, I don't get - and respectfully, you've said in the comments before that you listed reasons why this suit was bad and seemed to heavily dislike any comments in favor of it. For example, a comment you made to me in particular a bit earlier: "Dude, are you seriously giving the Destiny credit after everything I JUST EXPLAINED about it that undeniably proves that this gundam is HORRIBLY Designed? You can ENJOY this gundam all you want, but seriously, DO NOT try to make excuses for it. >_>" This paragraph consists of your own words, and it seems to contradict your claim that you were just "stating an opinion" rather then what you felt was fact - at least that's how it seamed to me. Then... there's the "Arch Destiny Gundam".... I'm sorry, but that, in my opinion, turned out as *anything* but a "recipe for success." It basically took the Destiny's design and merged it with the original Freedom Gundam and the Strike Noir Gundam (which also uses *beam pistols* - so not quite so original on that, sorry to say), and gave it *less* identity then even the level of what you were claiming before - if anything, it's your efforts that robbed it of a real identity. (And If you don't believe me about the Strike Noir, here's a link: gundam.wikia.com/wiki/GAT-X105E%2BAQM/E-X09S_Strike_Noir_Gundam Take a look at this next to the "Arch Destiny Gundam" design and honestly try to tell me the things don't look similar. I don't even know if it was your intent to do so, but your Arch Destiny design pretty much ripped off the Strike Noir in terms of it's color-design and the only blaring differences between the profile silhouettes was that yours had some blue at the torso and some (near-imperceptible) gold lines here and there.) , -The color-job: Again, I think it just looked like it was copying the Freedom or the Strike Noir, rather then the Strike or the Zeta). -The design: the V-fin for the Destiny matched the Impulse and likewise, the Strike, so again, the similarities made sense, whereas yours is disturbingly similar to the Strike Noir or Freedom Gundam, and the thing about the "tear-streaks"... I can't tell if that was just you being persnickety about your designs or not, but it was something that at least made the Destiny stand out from the other SEED mobile suits. Again, you seem to have taken more from it's identity then you added in my opinion. On top of that, the Destiny's wings already had minute articulation to make subtle changes in it's velocity - putting them on obvious joints like that seemed redundant, but again, I thought a *lot* of the suit's changes were redundant. -The functionality: Did it never occur to you that perhaps the Wings of Light *already* could be manually adjusted in the cockpit, but that a gung-ho idiot like Shinn would probably never have stopped to do so? Shinn may have never used such a function, but that may have been from a lack of common sense due to letting his rage and frustration guide him all the time rather then the function never existing. In addition to that, you claimed in that vid that "anyone that has seen the Wings of Light and how they work" would agree to your design being an improvement, but you yourself said in this vid above that the way the Wings of Light work by using Mirage Colloid and Voiture Lumiere was never really explained, so how can you ever be sure it's better when you're not even sure how he original truly worked?? - Weapons: Why give it any beam rifle if you made the Palma Fiocina a fully-functioning beam-weapon? It's incredibly redundant - and actually, I think the idea of the Palma Fiocina having low range and low rate-of-fire is what would justify having a beam rifle to begin with. Hell, that may be why the original Destiny had a rifle at all, and Shinn's bull-headedness may not have afforded him the patience to take the time to charge Palma Fiocina to the point where it could discharge as a short-range weapon. On a side-note, since most mobile suits already transfer power from their batteries directly to their weapons from connection slots in their hands, it may be possible that the Destiny's Palma Fiocina already does for it what you "devised" for the Arch Destiny. Another thing you have to consider is that Palma Fiocina was designed to be both a short-range attack and a close-quarters melee attack - as *you yourself said,* they admitted it was a homage to G Gundam, so it was likely built with similar functions - or at least Cosmic Era equivalents: maybe something to do with the Geschmeidig Panzer mechanic of reflecting and refracting energy...? IDK - there's a lot of possibilities that explain it, and the fact that the Destiny's Palma Fiocina does what both your Pamla and your "tombstones" do makes the tombstones redundant, just like having a rifle with your "improved" Plama is redundant. The theme for the Arch Destiny is, in my mind, redundancy. Same for the Tachyon rifle - I actually think the Destiny's, and for that matter the majority of SEED weapons *already* have adjustable outputs, as Kira displayed at the Siege of Orb when he lowered the output of the hip-mounted rainguns for the Strike Freedom during his first fight with the Destiny. The question is, as with most of the Destiny's systems, whether or not Shinn ever took the time to optimize any of thus stuff on the fly like Kira did, what with how bull-headed Shinn was. And with the Flash Edge - that is pretty much the pinnacle of redundancy since the Destiny's flash-edges are *already* adjustable! You changed absolutely nothing by doing that - hell, you said you had the RG Destiny model kit, and that comes with the adjustable blades to convert between boomerang and beam saber, and it's gripping the blade and channeling the mobile suit's power into it (like it already does with the rifle) that makes it a beam saber. So how is yours an original innovation? Another thing you need to consider is that rarely, if ever, has a gundam retrieved it's beam boomerang in zero-g, meaning that outside of an atmosphere, they're regarded as disposable one-shot weapons, and going through all the time and money to make these things and their replacements would likely be seen as a waste. With the Ascalon, sorry to say, but I think Gundam 00 took the design first with the GN Mk II and Mk III blades for when the Gundam 00 Riser went to trans-am. Look up the designer's colors for the Gundam 00 Riser kit and you'll see the effect parts for the GN Mk II and GN Mk III are also a match for your Ascalon design. And it really doesn't offer much against lightwave barriers or beam shields, or against beam-repellent armor like what the Archangel had - there was a reason the Destiny was given the Arondight, you know. Plus, the issue with Armure Lumiere being used in beam sabers is that, last I checked, Armure Lumiere's major drawback was that it was like a quarantine - nothing gets in, and nothing gets *out,* or at least that always seemed to be the purported drawback. It would be like hitting the enemy with a stick rather then a blade. With the Ragnarok, it likely would never be as focused as the Hyper-Impulse or even the Agni, and it doesn't make sense anyway to divert that much time and effort to building an artillery weapon like that given both the advent of energy shields and with Shinn's general preference for mid-ranged or close-range combat. You'd better off developing a weapon like that for Lunamaria since she's the one that piloted a blast ZAKU and had bombardment training. Plus, the Hyper-Impulse was already designed to only need one hand to steady and pull the trigger, and Shinn's preference for mid-range and close-range meant he'd hardly use it at all - this weapon would be better suited for the Blast Silhouette of the Impulse Gundam for bombarding, rather then the more balanced armaments of the Destiny. Once again, it's a redundant weapon for a machine that is meant to balance between all fields rather then dominate in anything - especially when long-range was the field Shinn used the least. All in all, the Arch Destiny struck me as an overly redundant machine rather then the more balanced one that the original Destiny is. The Destiny, for it's lack of "out-there" weapons like the DRAGOONS or such, had tried and true reliable, yet subtly tweaked equipment and was more evenly distributed in it's power and armament, touched off with the Wings of Light. It became something of it's own thing by taking bits of those that came before it and blending them together evenly - it didn't have the lopsided ranged capabilities of the Strike Freedom or the overkill melee prowess of the Infinite Justice. It's design was kind of a call-back/shoutout to the Zeta Gundam that fit the tone Gundam SEED Destiny had of paralleling the Mobile Suit Gundam Zeta series. It was, quite basically, the most balanced combat mobile suit in the SEED timeline. And that's why so many people - myself included - are still fans of it... in spite of who was piloting it :P

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WackyModder84 You know, it would have helped if you actually *READ* some, or any, of what I wrote. 1) Right here - clearly you didn't read anything, so take your own advice first off - it will help going forward. First off, the Zeta Gundam thing was, again, pretty much intentional from the get-go due to their paralleling Shinn with Kamille. The Strike was because it's literally the Destiny's grandfather. The Shining Gundam was for the Palma Fiocina. But the other three - pretty much *ALL* of the final-generation SEED Destiny mobile suits were ripping off those three suits, especially the F-91. Blaming the Destiny for having features from those three is like bringing in a gang of thieves and arresting only one - they're *all* guilty of it, so why single that one out? The Delta Astray, Turn Delta Astray and Strike Freedom took more from the Victory-2, Turn-A and F-91 Gundams then the Destiny did - like a lot of your arguments, it's *redundant* to blame the Destiny alone for something that petty much the entirety of SEED Destiny's final generation mobile suits did.When you get down to it, few suits have "real originality" to them anymore. And may I remind YOU in turn that, as a machine custom-made for Shinn to use, the Destiny was fit into cannon as being based off the Impulse Gundam - which is basically the SAME old Strike Gundam, but with a core-block system. So the line of thinking still works. 2) Wrong - let me stop you right there, because in actuality, the Strike Freedom takes from *just as many* suits as you equated the Destiny to. - Victory-2 with the "Wings of the Sky" - F-91 with the shield armaments (but then again, who in SEED Destiny *wasn't* ripping off that detail?) - Shining Gundam with the gold inner-frames - Nu Gundam with the pure-black torso on a white body and for thought-guided remote pods (and don't try to deny it - they spent as much time paralleling Kira to Amuro as they did Shinn to Kamille) - Hi-Nu Gundam for it's wing-binders, navy highlights on the limbs and the remote weapon pods being wing-mounted . - Double X Gundam with the railgun/full-burst mode and the METEOR battle-pack. That's *SIX* mobile suits the Freedom takes from, not three - the Strike Freedom is basically the Nu Gundam with the Hi-Nu's limbs and wings, the Double X's guns, the F-91's shields, the Victory-2's thrusters, and the Shining Gundam's joints/inner framework. Have you ever considered that the problem may be what you're accusing me of - that maybe you're nitpicking the Destiny in particular? Plus, I don't know if that's a good idea - you're not even ripping the Destiny a new one for valid reasons outside of nitpicks, so how would doing the same for the Strike Freedom work out any better? 3) I think you've got the boot on the wrong foot - your own understanding is what's "laughable" because you're trying to draw absolutes from one of the most vague substances ever used in a Gundam Series - Mirage Colloid. This is the substance that can fuel cloaking systems, weapons, barriers, and even the remote-command system for the DRAGOON's the same way GN or Minovsky particles does - but it does so in ways that are never explained. For all we know, it may not have the same limitations those two do or use the same process to get those effects. And you've ended up guilty of your own accusation - most of what you've stated has been your *INTERPRETATION* of what you cited and not the same as actual fact - and you've misinterpreted that as well multiple times (Destiny wing-binder articulation, the Flash Edges being sabers, the extra thrusters the Destiny has on it's back and legs, Armure Lumiere being multi-emitter-based system that can't lower and retract in a way effective to beam sabers, and the fact that melee weapons can pierce light barriers. Hell, even the Destiny's experimentation and development being born of desperate research in a *War situation* somehow slipped your mind) - you're in the same boat as me, so don't rock it. Again, *you yourself openly stated* that you have no clue how the system works *EITHER,* and none of what you cited gave any detailed explanation for the way the system worked and that little to no detail was ever given - AKA, there's nothing disproving it. Psychoframe crystalizing and then regenerating metal frames without a scratch remaining is never explained or even alluded to being possible in the research of it, but that's what happened in the final episode of Gundam Unicorn. The bottom line here: never explained doesn't mean impossible or discounted - so do yourself a favor and don't force goddamn absolutes where none exist, 'kay? It would make it easier going forward. Besides, dude, I'm pretty sure it should be *painfully apparent* that the Destiny's Voiture Lumiere is different due to the way the particles are emitted and the fact that there's Mirage Colloid mixed in at *all.* Just by *looking at it*, the fact that it would have to be different from the Stargazer's would be pretty goddamn obvious - especially if it was cannibalized for military use, and since Durandall was kind of desperate to counteract all the OP units the EA was churning out like the Destroy Gundam and probably didn't care what risks he took as long as he got his results (this is the man that tried to murder Lacus with obvious ZAFT mobile-suit suit teams in the middle of a war, after all - if there was anything Durandall could be called, it was a risk-taker). All throughout this you complained of a *distinct lack* of defined explanation for it, so how could you suddenly know what's possible/plausible and what's not? How can you start out saying it has no explanation and yet somehow have a pre-defined idea of what can and can't make it work? It hypocritical. As for the shield - maybe that's because you're *MISSING SOMETHING.* I again point you to the Infinite Justice - it carried a physical shield rather then arm-mounted energy shields in case the energy shields were ever broken. The Destiny's shield was meant to defend against up-close and personal physical-based attacks, not wide-ranged beams - that's what the wider energy shield was meant for. And you yourself just stated a *contradiction* - you said "rarely ever used," not "never used at all." It was indeed utilized, then? Wouldn't that in turn make it not quite so worthless after all? It's an anti-melee deterrent - it was given to the Destiny because, as I said before, energy shields couldn't block *everything* - heavy melee weapons like the anti-ship sword come to mind. The armshield was likely designed to off-set this possibility, since the Destiny lacked the beam-spamming capabilities of the Strike Freedom or Legend with which to take out enemies before they closed the gap - in layman's terms, it's called "having a backup plan in place." *THAT* is how I can defend the shield - rarely used doesn't equate to "absolute worthlessness." As for Sword Art Online - again, that's your prerogative, but it's not fact. You have your reasons for hating something but that doesn't equate to it being absolute truth. Plus, I think it's the virtual reality thing that drew people in, rather then the plot or pacing - animated series dealing with virtual reality tends to be well-received. A french cartoon series called Code Lyoko got pretty popular for the concept, though some criticize it's narrative pacing. As for the Arondight - at least I *have* an explanation. Your answer was to go off the walls about it *not* having one - again, don't rock the boat when you're in it too. The Excalibur's were hardly all that improved due to having the same bulky and unwieldy nature and their predecessors, and ultimately couldn't be carried into battle at all without sacrificing either weaponry or flight capability. And with the advent of energy shields, a weapon that had the physical piercing power to get through them was needed - the Excalibur's "beam-tip" became redundant in that field. The Arondight's tip could lance through the barriers like a spear, and would ultimately be more effective against machines with anti-beam lamination, or beam-resistant hull plating like the Archangel. It was a rollback concept because in this case, the older design had a bit more going for it against energy shields and against the Archangel. 4) Dude, you spent half the video talking about how the workings of the Destiny's Wings of Light were *never fully explained in depth* - you can't say there were no answers and then suddenly say you have them all when someone else points a possibility out. I likewise explained that, since the Destiny was based off the Impulse - and the Impulse is basically the Strike's "son" - then the design would still hold up. The only difference is that the Destiny is the Strikes "grandson" rather then it's "son." And there you go again - you somehow missed *AGAIN* that the Flash Edges also double as it's beam sabers, which is a bit of a more substantial boost to it's armament then "just another boomerang." Palma Fiocina doubles as a short-range and secondary melee attack as well, and it's armament is more balanced then the "Perfect Strike" was, without running out too quickly (that is, if only Shinn would have learned to pull back on the throttle a bit with the Wings of Light :P). The suits already has it's balance in combat - quite honestly, it looks like you're just nitpicking the thing. 5) Says the guy that said he didn't understand how the Wings of Light worked, yet somehow is sure that he knows when asked? Dude, once again, you never stated any absolutes about how the things worked - just that you *personally* didn't buy it. Palma Fiocina released charged bursts of energy, which Shinn always used in close-quarters as a melee attack. In it's base form, it looks more like a short-range flare when used, and probably has to be "charged" to become a ranged attack - even then, it would probably be very short-range, and Shinn, hothead that he was, probably never saw the use for that function in the long run. By contrast to my words, you're just brushing everything aside as "I know better" when by your own admission, you could find little to no info that definitively said "this could not happen." You wonder why someone in the comments noted that you're set in your ways? This is why. 6) Onto the Arch Destiny: a) Except you actually *haven't* in how it was *your* explanations that were "ass," not mine. You can look at that again later to see what I mean - namely that the Arch Destiny looks like it took a lot from the Strike Noir, just with darker red and brought the orange up to a dark gold. Sides, you've been a broken record all-throughout this - why not again here? b) You say that, and yet you're the one making assumptions! Again, if the suit had the feature, would a gung-ho moron like Shinn ever use it? It may be there - just never used. Like with the debate about their articulation, you're just drawing up absolutes for something you don't know. And to compound that statement, let's look at the Destiny's Wings of Light - *just by looking at the things* it ought to be painfully obvious that they're not the same thing the Stargazer had. Not anymore at least, after Durandall's attempt at emulating Frankenstein with the system. And that's just by taking a glance at them - the mixing of Mirage Colloid into it during testing, in the source *you yourself cited* no less, should have been a dead giveaway that you can't assume the Wings of Light will work the same way the original Voiture Lumiere did with the Stargazer. How can you even look at the two side-by-side and say "yeah - they work the exact same way?" The Wings of Light use Voiture Lumiere as a *part* of how they work, in *conjunction* with Mirage Colloid and a set of conventional thrusters on it's back and limbs - how precisely could you restrict the Wings of Light with the previous limits one single element of the system when in *YOUR OWN SOURCE,* you stated that Durandall was basically playing mad scientist with the thing?? It's *going back on your own source.* And again, it seems you're forgetting my previous theory that the Destiny forces Mirage Colloid through the "sails" instead of solar winds to create an artificial result - rather then adjusting the sails, he'd be adjusting the "airflow" of what went into/through them, thus allowing the adjustment of the speed and movement itself - so right there, you have two possible ways to look at it: Modifications or a different way of "controlling what goes through the sail." You really need to learn how to work with theoreticals, "my silly little friend ;-)" - first lesson: etiquette. Rule #1: being condescending to others is going to get it sent back at you. Keep that in mind - it will make things easier going forward. c) No, but I'm starting to think *you* do - Between your "Ragnarok" and your "improved Palma Fiocina," why even bother with a rifle? If Palma Fiocina fires with the rate of a rifle, all you need to do is stick to that range, or blast them with the repeating Ragnarok - there's no need for a rifle anymore. It's as redundant as having the whole overclocking thing for each and every function. And on top of that, said rifle has no innovations that aren't already in SEED mobile suits - they already take power from the suit's core via connection slots in the hands, and can be adjusted on the fly - Kira proved both: the former in the early episodes of the first SEED series with how his suit drained power with each shot, and in SEED Destiny with how he adjusted his railguns to fire a small burst of energy rather then a beam when he disarmed the Destiny of it's Anti-Ship Sword (done by using the energy shields to null the beam blade and his physical hands to catch the frame of the sword itself). Plus, with how the Destiny's hands were designed, it probably already put power into it's weapons through the Palma Fiocina to begin with. All you did was upscale what was, in all likelyhood, a pre-existing system with too many redundancies - I'm personally beginning to suspect you fell asleep reading *my* comments (which is understandable - I am quite the long talker, after all). d) Shinn: " If those had been beams.... this fight would be over. ... Is that what you're trying to tell me?!" (You may want to explain that to *him*) Somehow, I think you've missed something - namely that Kira obviously altered the firing power of those weapons, since at point-blank range the Destiny's torso, or at the very least the cockpit ought to have been *shredded* by the shots... or did you miss that like you did with Shinn's anti-ship sword not breaking instantly in his fights with Athrun and Kira? (and yes, I will *never* let you live that down - especially since you've conspicuously not touched that specific little tidbit since I brought it up, "LMFAO") Beams, projectiles - you're going over *semantics.* The point is that, at that range, even with Phase-Shift armor, the shots ought to have tore through the Destiny, yet it came out without much of a scratch - it's indicative of Kira adjusting the firing output (rate of fire, projectile speed, whatever term is relevant to the Xiphias 3) to not total the Destiny but rather to stun it. Kira held back from trying to actively kill a mobile suit pilot - that's kind of what they toted to be his thing. This is the guy who optimized an OS in minutes while under attack on his first day piloting a mobile suit, and besides, wouldn't railguns in particular *have* to be adjustable in order to automatically an/or manually compensate for the projectiles being in atmosphere or a gravity well verses space-combat? e) Sorry pal, you've got it backwards - namely in that you jumped the gun again. I pointed out that making the boomerangs come back to you is an exorbitant waste to build for a disposable device like the boomerang - especially when you could have a DRAGOON pod instead. Why bother retrofitting the disposable Flash Edge with the computer systems and thrusters needed for such a roundabout way of fighting when you could use those same things to just build DRAGOON pods? Like I said - *redundant.* What just happened was that you proved *my* point - why use those systems for a *boomerang?* It makes no sense with the existence of remote weapons like the DRAGOON pods, and the needed equipment would likely be saved for those, rather then using them on what is meant to be, first and foremost, a disposable and easily replaceable weapon - not to mention the money spent to miniaturize the things to that scale and replace them in the event of accidental destruction. It's ultimately impractical, just like most of the changes you made. Also, *YET AGAIN,* you've somehow forgotten what was included in your own RG kit - you know, the *full-sized beam sabers?* They already *were* full-sized beam sabers, making your "improvement" once again *REDUNDANT.* Something that seems to be a recurring thing with you. f) This seems to be your defense mechanism - blurt out people are stupid when they make comments. So much for that disclaimer about being free to disagree, huh? Now, take a look at this picture: img842.imageshack.us/img842/8224/00raiserdesigner4.jpg You honestly going to tell me the beam saber mode of the GN Blade Mk II and the Raiser mode of the GN Blade Mk III don't resemble your Ascalon? This is pretty much where that other "rip-off" you mentioned before came from originally - I doubt they were ripping off you so much as they were the 00 Raiser's blades, and the METEOR may have been the inspiration for the 00 Raiser's beam-saber blades, IDK. Bottom line is that your concept wasn't quite so original compared to 00 Raiser - they were headed in a similar direction. And may I remind you that there are lightwave barriers that can take a Tannhauser blast full-on, yet are susceptible to close-range melee attacks like from the tip of an anti-ship sword? Why bother with all that extra strain and heartache when one blade does the job better with a single thrust? On *your own words,* it's "assloads more strain" to do what one blade can do with a straightforward thrust attack! Once again - *redundant.* A concept that I'm not sure ever popped into your head at any point when designing the thing when it really should have. Plus, IDK if you remembered, but that little advent only came about after the Hyperion was built, and the Hyperion was a prototype with the original system heavily re-worked. Plus, with the Hyperion, did you somehow miss the fact that running the thing required almost the *entire power output* of the Hyperion, to the point where all it's weapons had to have separate batteries - so a blade like yours would drain the Destiny with prolonged use, even with the latter's nuclear core, while the Arondight wouldn't. On top of that, Armure Lumiere needed rather obvious emitters deployed around the Hyperion to function and needed those multiple emitters in a specific array to create shapes like a dome, and if they were damaged, you were screwed. What the hell makes you think that the emitters could be arranged in a way that would allow the creation of a blade like that when you couldn't get that kind of shape without emitters on all sides of the edges and at the tip - did you ever stop to consider that if it could be done, it *would* be done? Have YOU ever considered THAT possibility? Or were you too busy being the pot that called the kettle black? The emitter tends to project the field like a flat plate, as shown with the arm shields, unless multiple emitters are shaping the thing - you wouldn't be able to create a field that thin and that contained with just the emitters on the hilt. That's why using Armure Lumiere wouldn't work in designing a beam blade, let alone a beam blade like that. Regular beam-shaping tech, yes, but *not* with Armure Lumiere. On top of *that*, even barring that impractical design, it has the same issue as your "Flash Edge III" - too much money going into something redundant when an anti-ship sword can do the job just as well without needing to cost a shit-ton to develop, maintenance, repair, and replace. The Destiny was designed to be a balanced and *practical* machine in combat - rather then being a machine that took risks (well, barring the Wings of Light, that is), it was built to get the job done with a balanced-out arsenal. Your redesign's features are basically both impractical and redundant. Good job *misrepresenting* shit again - though at this point, should I be surprised? g) Says the guy laying down absolutes for something he cited sources on as being unexplained? I likewise explained how your "completely new way of thinking" was *completely impractical.* The shots can't charge up that fast without sacrificing power output so the individual shots wouldn't match up to the Hyper-Impulse in destructive power shot per shot. And now, by *your own admission* of it being able to be used at mid-range with speed comparable to a rifle, you've made the use of a beam rifle (your "Tachyon" rifle) *extra redundant.* Increased rate of fire is what you keep a beam rifle for - if you have this, why bother with a beam rifle to begin with? And again, if tech like this was practical, it would be on every single machine - between the power consumption and the general lack of individual stopping power when compared to what previous single-shot machines could do, it's not practical for the Destiny to have. Plus, there's the same problem as the previous two - high development costs and high replacement/maintenance costs, and on top of that, it would all be for a weapon that Shinn would barely use since he preferred charging enemies. Maybe as a shipboard weapon, this world work but for mobile suit use? It's just ultimately not worth the cost nor the upkeep. As an example, there is how, when Shinn actually used his head and had a plan, the replaceable gear and tried equipment of the Impulse allowed him to overcome the Freedom (and yes, I know you made a vid for that too, but that's a rant for another day). The Destiny's gear was designed to be practical and reliable, yet balanced out. Your gear is both impractical and redundant in it's design - it's, for lack of a better word, cluttered and overthought on. All in all, *I'm* the one disappointed in you - you didn't read a thing nor take any criticism in any form of constructive way. You basically validated the claim that you're too set in what you *personally* think is right to listen to anyone that says otherwise.You accuse me of assumptions when you were the one that, particularly on the Destiny's wings of light, that there was little defined explanation to how they worked, yet shot down any attempt to rationalize it. You claim that people can like the suit, yet when they voice it you shoot them down as being in denial or the like. When criticized about your own attempt to remake the Destiny you became rather embittered and acted somewhat condescending about it. You have good debating skills, but it's limited by the fact that you don't seem to accept *any* real form of theoretical thinking or reasoning aside from what you've done yourself. The only one that's made an ass of themselves is you - also evidenced by times when you remained conspicuously/suspiciously quiet about some points I brought up, most notibly with the the Arondight piercing lightwave barriers or likely being coated in anti-beam lamination as a rule due to how it wasn't instantly broken in Shinn's fights with Athrun and Kira - and again with the Wings of Light when I suggested that it used Mirage Colloid particles as a substitute for solar winds and that this artificial way of doing it was why the Destiny sapped it's battery so fast. And here again - you make a contradictory claim. You say "you're free to like it" but then turn around and brush off every single attempt to debate it's worth as "making excuses" for it. Between this, they way you seemed to shy away from things I pointed out like with the Arondight and the Wings of Light, your lack of willingness to concede having been wrong or misinterpreted *anything*, and the general condescending attitude you took in calling me every form of "idiot" in the book.... well, to be honest, who looks like the bigger ass, here? The one that debated things, or the one that debated things through a slur of insults? Regardless of who is right or wrong, the one that made the insults tends to be the one that's regarded as the ass - and you kicked off the insults first, dude. In layman's terms.... you need to take a look at yourself first before you tell others to - and maybe come to understand why some people think it's pointless to debate with you. You didn't "notice" issues with the Destiny so much as you nitpicked things and made them into a range of mountains, and when issues were pointed out with your Arch Destiny design, you got very defensive on it. You accused me of "nit-picking" it... but what I've done here with the Arch Destiny isn't any different then what you did with the Destiny. And, to be painfully honest, I don't find fixing one single stripe in the chest, when the thing looks like the love-child of the Destiny & Strike Noir with the original Freedom mixed in, all much to use as a bragging point. Arguments over cosmetic changes like that seem to be more openly considered by you then the idea that the thing has major redundancies in it's creation/conception, and taking things like a paint stripe under consideration when you close out any debates about the key aspects of it's design doesn't look all that good. In closing - you need to *Follow your own advice* and THINK before YOU speak. That's been an issue throughout your entire rant on the Destiny, and it's been an issue in the comments. I personally hope that you could find it in your heart to be less condescending to others when they debate with you or point out you're wrong in cases - otherwise.... you're not going to find many people willing to have debates with you. (P.S.- I also Just discovered that Google Plus royally fucked up and spammed my original comment. Have deleted the redundant ones - really sorry about that ^^;)

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Smith Baran  > *"First off, the Zeta Gundam thing was, again, pretty much intentional from the get-go due to their paralleling Shinn with Kamille. The Strike was because it's literally the Destiny's grandfather. The Shining Gundam was for the Palma Fiocina. But the other three - pretty much ALL of the final-generation SEED Destiny mobile suits were ripping off those three suits, especially the F-91."* Wow. You actually consider the F91 a reference with ALL SUITS that use Soldus Fulgors? That's funny. It really is. Sorry to burst your bubble, dude. But Energy Shields in the Universal Century became an UPGRADE from Physical Ones later on as the U.C. Timeline progressed. SEED Destiny did the same exact thing. Energy Shields aren't really a Reference to a specific mobile suit in this case, but rather follow the same pattern the U.C. Timeline did with evolving in Technological Aspects. The F91 wasn't the only mobile suit who used Energy Shields in the Movie of F91. Several other suits of the Crossbone Vanguard did as well. So it's pretty obvious that the technology doesn't SPECIFICALLY belong to the F91, but rather, it was a Universal Technology Upgrade at the time. And again, maybe I wouldn't have such a big fucking problem with the Zeta Gundam Paintscheme of the Destiny Gundam if it didnt clusterfuck 5 other suits into it as well. >_> > *"The Delta Astray, Turn Delta Astray and Strike Freedom took more from the Victory-2, Turn-A and F-91 Gundams then the Destiny did"* Yet ANOTHER assumption in thinking that I totally didn't consider that. >_> And I've got some news for ya, buddy. The Delta Astray IS ALSO referencing the Victory 2. But that's about as far as that one goes as a whole. The TURN DELTA Astray, however, is JUST AS GUILTY as the Destiny with what it did with it's VL Wings. And the Strike Freedom is ALSO just as guilty with Referencing the Victory 2 as well! I've already told you that in before! Again, the reason WHY the Destiny is an anomaly compared to other Gundams with this is because it referenced More Gundams Into One Design than ANY OTHER GUNDAM/MOBILE SUIT CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE. (and let's keep it that way. >_>) The fact that you would need Six Rips too make One Mobile Suit is LAUGHABLY Retarded and shows that you really don't have Any Sense of Unique Identity whatsoever. It's Lazy and Pointless. > *"Wrong - let me stop you right there, because in actuality, the Strike Freedom takes from just as many suits as you equated the Destiny to.* *- Victory-2 with the "Wings of the Sky"* *- F-91 with the shield armaments (but then again, who in SEED Destiny wasn't ripping off that detail?)* *- Shining Gundam with the gold inner-frames* *- Nu Gundam with the pure-black torso on a white body and for thought-guided remote pods (and don't try to deny it - they spent as much time paralleling Kira to Amuro as they did Shinn to Kamille)* *- Hi-Nu Gundam for it's wing-binders, navy highlights on the limbs and the remote weapon pods being wing-mounted.* *- Double X Gundam with the railgun/full-burst mode and the METEOR battle-pack."* There are so many things wrong right here. 1.) I already explained the F91 doesn't count. So I don't need to repeat that one at all. 2.) How the fuck is that a reference AT ALL? Shining Gundam only glows GOLD when it's in SUPER MODE, a mode that has to be Manually Activated. The Strike Freedom's Inner Gold Frame is only due to the fucking Phase Shift Armor giving it Color. That claim is absolutely ridiculous. 3.) Aside from your HILARIOUS Claim that they actually tried to PARALLEL Kira and Amuro; which turned out to be the EXACT OPPOSITE in the end, do I need to take out my list of Gundams that fit that Torso description? >_> 4.) You're thinking of the wrong thing here. The G-Falcon is something THE METEOR referenced in ITS Design. NOT the Strike Freedom ITSELF. The METEOR is not designed SPECIFICALLY FOR the Strike Freedom. The Infinite Justice can use it too, after all. The thing that makes the Double X a reference with the Strike Freedom is the BODY FRAME. It was literally copy and pasted 90% VERBATIM from the Double X. If you compare their body frames side by side, you will see it clearly. > *"This is the substance that can fuel cloaking systems, weapons, barriers, and even the remote-command system for the DRAGOON's the same way GN or Minovsky particles does - but it does so in ways that are never explained."* The concept of a Plot-Device appears to be a foreign to you, isn't it? Mirage Colloid, as I stated in this video, is the Cosmic Era Equivalent to that of MINOVSKY PARTICLES in the Universal Century, except PISS-POORLY Explained and RIDDLED with Technological Plot-Holes. Mirage Colloid's original use was just a cloaking system, but as the anime progresses, it's shown to get even more uses that were COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and therefore basically BECAME the so-called "Minovsky Particle Clone" of the Cosmic Era. > *"For all we know, it may not have the same limitations those two do or use the same process to get those effects. And you've ended up guilty of your own accusation - most of what you've stated has been your INTERPRETATION of what you cited and not the same as actual fact - and you've misinterpreted that as well multiple times (Destiny wing-binder articulation, the Flash Edges being sabers, the extra thrusters the Destiny has on it's back and legs, Armure Lumiere being multi-emitter-based system that can't lower and retract in a way effective to beam sabers, and the fact that melee weapons can pierce light barriers."* Because that's all we CAN go by. Is what is presented to is and what we are TOLD by the creators themselves. Speculation is Moot & Irrelevant without confirmation with factual evidence to support it. > *"Hell, even the Destiny's experimentation and development being born of desperate research in a War situation somehow slipped your mind) - you're in the same boat as me, so don't rock it. Again, you yourself openly stated that you have no clue how the system works EITHER, and none of what you cited gave any detailed explanation for the way the system worked and that little to no detail was ever given - AKA, there's nothing disproving it."* Oh. THIS old, tired, repeated argument again? >_> "Well, there may be evidence to show that. but there's also no evidence to show that it DOESN'T do that either!" Give me a fucking break, dude. =_=;; That's the oldest defense argument in the book, and is only used in acts of desperation when someone wants to pathetically find a way to justify speculation that OBVIOUSLY isn't true NOR confirmed. Speculation is ALWAYS, I repeat, ALWAYS irrelevant and moot unless you actually support it with FACTUAL AND CITED EVIDENCE, my friend. That's your biggest problem here. > *"Psychoframe crystalizing and then regenerating metal frames without a scratch remaining is never explained or even alluded to being possible in the research of it, but that's what happened in the final episode of Gundam Unicorn. The bottom line here: never explained doesn't mean impossible or discounted - so do yourself a favor and don't force goddamn absolutes where none exist, 'kay?"* If you seriously don't realize what happened with that Unicorn Episode 7, I question your understanding of Newtypes. But honestly, I don't blame you for that one since a lot of people didn't fully realize that scene. The Unicorn's Psycoframe Crystalizing like that was due to an extremely violent reaction from Newtype Psychic Energy coming from Banagher. Which in turn, caused the Psycoframe to expand and crystalize, shattering the armor frame of the Gundam. The way it reformed at the end was basically self-explanitory. The Unicorn has the ability to amplify newtype psychic abilities, and Banagher more or less just Psychically put the Unicorn back together when he came to. He was then dragged out of the Unicorn when Banshee and Unicorn got back to base in the Novel; which is something they didn't have time to show in the OVA, apparently. > *"Besides, dude, I'm pretty sure it should be painfully apparent that the Destiny's Voiture Lumiere is different due to the way the particles are emitted and the fact that there's Mirage Colloid mixed in at all. Just by looking at it, the fact that it would have to be different from the Stargazer's would be pretty goddamn obvious - especially if it was cannibalized for military use, and since Durandall was kind of desperate to counteract all the OP units the EA was churning out like the Destroy Gundam and probably didn't care what risks he took as long as he got his results (this is the man that tried to murder Lacus with obvious ZAFT mobile-suit suit teams in the middle of a war, after all - if there was anything Durandall could be called, it was a risk-taker)."* Except without an explanation to show HOW it was different AT ALL from the Stargazer's other than just AESTHETICALLY being presented differently, Then NO. It is NOT painfully obvious at all. It only raises more questions. The big thing here is that YOU seem to be willing to accept vague information that has No Explanation whatsoever and just take it as it is, even though the entire Explanation for the Destiny's VL Wings is nothing but "Telling, Rather than Showing". It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to believe something like that without a detailed explanation of HOW it was different from the Stargazer's VL System. Oh sure, it has Mirage Colloid added into the mix, but that only seems to come in handy if it was used in BURSTS on the battlefield to confused enemies and NOT strain your reactor. And that last part about Durandal being a risk taker is HILARIOUS, by the way. By that logic, Durandal just throws anything out the door into the battlefield regardless of how effective it's proven to be. That is ABSOLUTELY Ridiculous and is a TERRIBLE Practice with Military Forces. You would NEVER see Major Wold Nations now a days do shit like that. > *"All throughout this you complained of a distinct lack of defined explanation for it, so how could you suddenly know what's possible/plausible and what's not? How can you start out saying it has no explanation and yet somehow have a pre-defined idea of what can and can't make it work? It's hypocritical."* Because I gather all the information that is available to me and make conclusions based on OFFICIAL SOURCES, and NOT my own personal unproven speculations. Once again, dude. Theories mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING without Rock-Solid Information and Supporting Evidence from the OFFICIAL SOURCES confirming it. All of your arguments have been nothing but Speculations, Assumptions, and Theories that are either Unproven, or in some cases, just flat-out FALSE and contradict the official information we have of this Gundam. > *"As for the shield - maybe that's because you're MISSING SOMETHING. I again point you to the Infinite Justice - it carried a physical shield rather then arm-mounted energy shields in case the energy shields were ever broken."* WRONG AGAIN, my friend! =D The Infinite Justice's Armshield has an Energy Shield ON THE SURFACE of the Physical Shield. It's not on it's WRIST like the Destiny's Energy Shields were. OF COURSE the Armshield was never broken! Cuz the Armshield itself HAS THE ENERGY SHIELD on it to protect it from damage! There's a lot of debate on whether or not this is effective and/or practical in comparison to the Strike Freedom, Destiny, and Legend; where it's Energy Shields were on it's Forearms or Wrists. But that's an entirely different debate right here. > *"The Destiny's shield was meant to defend against up-close and personal physical-based attacks, not wide-ranged beams - that's what the wider energy shield was meant for. And you yourself just stated a contradiction - you said "rarely ever used," not "never used at all." It was indeed utilized, then? Wouldn't that in turn make it not quite so worthless after all? It's an anti-melee deterrent - it was given to the Destiny because, as I said before, energy shields couldn't block everything - heavy melee weapons like the anti-ship sword come to mind. The armshield was likely designed to off-set this possibility, since the Destiny lacked the beam-spamming capabilities of the Strike Freedom or Legend with which to take out enemies before they closed the gap - in layman's terms, it's called "having a backup plan in place." THAT is how I can defend the shield - rarely used doesn't equate to "absolute worthlessness.""* Even though I specifically stated in the rant that the Soldus Fulgor is not only LARGER IN SIZE than the Destiny's Armshield, but also is STRONGER than it, and actually CAN block just about everything; with the except of Gamma Rays (G.E.N.E.S.I.S.), Requiem's Beam, and or Positron Cannons (Tannhauser / Lohengrin). But it goes without saying that this TINY ARMSHIELD isn't gonna do shit when the Destiny has NOT ONE, but TWO Soldus Fulgors to block with from Multiple Angles, AND that it only has ONE armshield, and not Two. If it was really that important, why didn't they give it ANOTHER Armshield to supplement the OTHER Soldus Fulgor? Just sayin'. >_> And wow, you're actually going with the argument of "Oh, well you said yourself that it was only VERY RARELY USED and not NEVER USED AT ALL, so I guess that means it amounts to SOMETHING, right?!" Wow, dude. Talk about Desperation. >_> To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what they're even talking about AT ALL when they stated that. In the anime, I don't recall that armshield EVER being used for anything noticeably important or major whatsoever. If anything, that was probably said just to make themselves not look stupid for putting an Obviously-Pointless Armshield on a Gundam that has Two Energy Shields. And ontop of that, even the COMMUNITY isn't stupid. In several gundam games, the Destiny doesn't even HAVE an Armshield, and only has the Soldus Fulgors to block with. Even THEY know how useless that shield really is. If it wasn't why would they omit it from several other source materials? > *"As for Sword Art Online - again, that's your prerogative, but it's not fact. You have your reasons for hating something but that doesn't equate to it being absolute truth. Plus, I think it's the virtual reality thing that drew people in, rather then the plot or pacing - animated series dealing with virtual reality tends to be well-received. A french cartoon series called Code Lyoko got pretty popular for the concept, though some criticize it's narrative pacing."* On the contrary, my friend. YES IT IS actually fact. Once again, I say this: You can ENJOY something all you want, but just because people ENJOY it, doesn't always mean that it's GOOD. Popularity =/= Quality. Never Has, Never Will. The reason WHY I say that SAO being bad is a FACT, however, is not just because of the MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE to prove it that I would be HAPPY to share with you if you would like, =) - but also because even Reki Kawahara HIMSELF has actually ADMITTED IT out-loud during an interview, and hence why he is now proceeding to REBOOT SAO ENTIRELY under the new name "Sword Art Online: Progressive. If you want, I can even quote his exact words to prove it. But we're getting off topic now..... =\ > *"As for the Arondight - at least I HAVE an explanation. Your answer was to go off the walls about it not having one - again, don't rock the boat when you're in it too."* Except your explanation was, once again, Baseless Assumptions and Speculations. Your explanation as a whole didn't really make that much sense either. =\ > *"The Excalibur's were hardly all that improved due to having the same bulky and unwieldy nature and their predecessors, and ultimately couldn't be carried into battle at all without sacrificing either weaponry or flight capability. And with the advent of energy shields, a weapon that had the physical piercing power to get through them was needed - the Excalibur's "beam-tip" became redundant in that field. The Arondight's tip could lance through the barriers like a spear, and would ultimately be more effective against machines with anti-beam lamination, or beam-resistant hull plating like the Archangel. It was a rollback concept because in this case, the older design had a bit more going for it against energy shields and against the Archangel."* That argument is moot for several reasons here. I will list some of them now. 1.) Anti-Ship Swords as a whole are ALL Very Impractical Weapons. Whether it's the Excalibur, Schwert Gewehr, or the Arondight, they are ALL Guilty of that same problem, and there's nothing that can really be done to fix that at this point without designing a weapon to evolve them. Y'know....kinda like how WE DID with the Ascalon. >_> 2.) The Excalibur's Beam-Tip is NOT redundant whatsoever. You claim that the Arondight's tip is more sharpened and can pierce right through Laminated Anti-Beam Armor, and yet you forget something. The Impulse SHANKED THE FREEDOM with the Excalibur RIGHT IN THE GUT. And guess what material the Freedom's Armshield was Made out of? LAMINATED ANTI-BEAM ARMOR, my friend! =D The Freedom's Armeshield has NO ANTI-BEAM COATING on it. Instead it was made with Laminated Armor, and look how well THAT turned out against the Excalibur's Beam-Tip in the Freedom VS. Impulse battle! ;-) Thus making your whole point Moot. > *"Dude, you spent half the video talking about how the workings of the Destiny's Wings of Light were never fully explained in depth - you can't say there were no answers and then suddenly say you have them all when someone else points a possibility out."* Actually, YES I CAN say there were no answers. Because the answers that WE GOT that I specifically talked about in the video itself DO NOT ADD UP and they make NO SENSE. Once again, possibilities and theories MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unless you can dig into the OFFICIAL SOURCE MATERIAL to confirm them. Otherwise, they are useless. > *"Palma Fiocina doubles as a short-range and secondary melee attack as well"* LOL! Ok yeah. Sure it does. XD Even though the Palma Fiocinas are actually Medium-Ranged BEAM CANNONS in your Palms that were used COMPLETELY ILLOGICALLY & IMPRACTICALLY by a Retard Pilot who had his character development dropped at the last minute and was replaced with a Gary-Stu. > *"and it's armament is more balanced then the "Perfect Strike" was, without running out too quickly"* FYI, the Perfect Strike compensated for the Extra Energy Drainage with External Power Packs on it's Spine. So it had about the same battle time as it would normally have. > *"(that is, if only Shinn would have learned to pull back on the throttle a bit with the Wings of Light :P)."* I think you mean "use the Wings of Light in BURSTS instead", since there is no Adjusting their Output since they're not thrusters. > *"Says the guy that said he didn't understand how the Wings of Light worked, yet somehow is sure that he knows when asked? Dude, once again, you never stated any absolutes about how the things worked - just that you personally didn't buy it."* Uh....YES I DID state the absolutes, dude?! I used the OFFICIAL INFORMATION from Bandai & Sunrise! CITED my sources! What the fuck more do you NEED? As I say once again, for what feels like the 7th time now: Theories and Speculation MEAN NOTHING without Rock-Solid Information and Factual Evidence to support your claim. But as I state YET AGAIN, the absolutes that we got DO NOT ADD UP and make ZERO SENSE when you piece them together. > *"Palma Fiocina released charged bursts of energy, which Shinn always used in close-quarters as a melee attack. In it's base form, it looks more like a short-range flare when used, and probably has to be "charged" to become a ranged attack - even then, it would probably be very short-range, and Shinn, hothead that he was, probably never saw the use for that function in the long run. By contrast to my words, you're just brushing everything aside as "I know better" when by your own admission, you could find little to no info that definitively said "this could not happen.""* WOW, dude! Using the same pointless argument TWICE! I'm impressed! I stated MULTIPLE TIMES now that the Palma Fiocinas are BEAM CANNONS. They are NOT meant to be used as a Melee Weapon in terms of what type of weapon they are. They are Medium-Ranged and are used MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY as such. It makes NO SENSE to use them like fucking Shining Finger AT ALL. It's Stupid, Pointless, and LUDICROUS to use a fucking BEAM CANNON in a way like that. This is not fucking G GUNDAM, dude. Fukuda may have admitted that doing that was intentional, but the Official Description we got of the Palma Fiocinas makes this LAUGHABLY RETARDED. > *"You wonder why someone in the comments noted that you're set in your ways? This is why."* if you're talking about Kaihedgie, don't worry about him. He and I have a history of debates. I have made it EXTREMELY CLEAR that as long as you provide me with ROCK SOLID INFORMATION that has SOUND LOGIC and FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back up your claims with, that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to change my opinion and actually contemplate my original thoughts. I would keep going about the Arch Destiny, but I have to go find some fucking Bengay right now. I have SEVERE Carpel Tunnel Syndrome from typing this comment. But we'll continue with the Arch Destiny later. ;-)

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WackyModder84 *1>* Dude, have you actually looked at the Strike Freedom or Legend, or the Destroy, or the many mobile armors that came around before them? The F-91 Gundam's energy shields were being ripped off by just about every suit in the SEED Destiny era by the end - picking the Destiny out of all the others is, again, picking one thief out of a group of them. They're all guilty of it, so singling one out is redundant - it makes it look like you're gunning for that one individual. On top of that, as of the first SEED series, the energy shields were limited to the Artemis base (which back then, was basically a full quarantine where nothing could get in or out of the barrier), and then later on to the Hyperion (which solved the "sealed bubble" issue the previous version had) - and the Hyperion needed multiple emitters in an array to make it work, which was nowhere near the blatent copy of the F-91's arm-shield that the latter versions were. You can't honestly look these machines - especially not the last-generation Cosmic Era machines like the Legend and Strike Freedom - and say that the Destiny was the only one that copied it, can you? And with the movie, you're arguing semantics on other machines from that era using it (besides, you yourself didn't see fit to mention that detail when comparing it to the Destiny in the first place, so why bring it up now?). he bottom line is that it's an upgrade that was taken from F-91 and implemented in *most* of the late-generation Cosmic Era suits - which is not limited to the Destiny. *2>* No offense, dude, but the way it looks now, it seems to be exactly the case that you totally didn't take that into consideration - I mean, at all. At least that's how it looks at the moment. My overall point is that, like with the F-91, the Destiny is not the only suit in the late Cosmic Era that took details from both the Turn-A and the Victory-2 - I mean for God's sake, one of them is called the "Turn Delta Astray" and had an upside-down triangle for a flight-pack. It doesn't strike me to get *madder* at the Destiny for something the Delta and Turn Delta ripped off more completely. It may as well have been spelling it out in neon lights that it was taking from the Turn-A Gundam. The Delta Astray looks almost exactly like a reddish-orange painted version of the Victory-2, and the Turn Delta Astray is basically the Victory-2 again with Turn-A functions merged together with a reddish-orange paint-job for the torso, and switched stealing the Victory-2's collarbone-mounted thrusters for taking the knee and shoulder designs and just painting them reddish-orange. Yet you're willing to forgive that simply because the number of suits it ripped off was less the then the Destiny - including the fact that the Delta and Turn Delta pretty much ripped those two off much more thoroughly then the Destiny ever did. Hell, to a lesser extent, the Stargazer could be counted with them. And once again, I've pointed out that assumption of yours on the Destiny being the only suits to draw from that many sources *isn't true* - the Strike Freedom takes from just as many mobile suits (F-91, Nu, Hi-Nu, Shining, Double-X, and Victory-2 - three of those being the same suits that you equated to the Destiny). And then we have things like the 0 Gundam in "Mobile Suit Gundam 00" - which is basically a piece-for-piece recreation of the original RX-78-2 Gundam with the sole exception of it's GN drive and it's green eyes. In my mind, copying a single suit almost to the letter is just as bad as taking multiple suits together into one unit - same for the Delta and Turn Delta with the Victory-2 and Turn-A. They used less suits, but took more of those two suits features because of that - it's still pulling from something else. You're just using the number of suits as a judging point, and not how much of said suit is being put into the design - or at the very least, the latter isn't having as much of an impact on your judgement as it should. Somehow, ripping off single elements of a high number of suits is a bigger sin to you then ripping off key design elements or framework aesthetics of one or two suits *almost entirely.* That seems just as "lazy and pointless" as stealing from multiple suits, if not *more so* because you're not even mixing it up much from the one or two suits you copied. Also: img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120301170052/gundam/images/0/01/Vs_destroy_%281%29.jpg Do those *wings* on the Turn Delta Astray look familiar to you? Case in point - the Destiny is hardly the only suit that took from those three. The Strike and Zeta make sense because the former is the Destiny's "grandfather" in the series, and the latter was to hammer in how the writers wanted to parallel Shinn to Kamille Bidan. The Shining Gundam was a suit they admitted was given a homage to by the Destiny's Palma Fiocina. But the Turn-A, F-91 and Victory-2 were ripped off by a lot of the late-generation Cosmic Era suits, and in the cases of the Delta and Turn Delta, entire limbs or sections were copied wholesale from the Victory-2 and the functions of Voiture Lumiere in the Turn Delta and to a much lesser extent, the Stargazer - which strikes me as just as lazy, or in my opinion as being even more lazy then taking from multiple sources. *3>* No. No, dude - there really isn't. The Strike Freedom takes from as many suits as the Destiny. Some of these things date back to the original Freedom and thus, carried over to it. - First off, that's not true in the slightest - the F-91 counts for just about every one of the late-generation Cosmic Era mobile suits, most notable of them being suits like the Strike Freedom and Legend, and to a lesser degree the Infinite Justice (though that one made it less apparent by mounting the energy shield onto the physical shield for a "double shield), and the "emitter plate" for that shield was seen in many of the mobile armors for the EA, and in the Destroy Gundam. The F-91 counts for the Strike Freedom *just as much* as it does for the Destiny, since they both share a design function from it in the form of it's arm-shields, just like the Legend does. And if you want to get technical, I'm pretty sure the Turn Delta Astray, seeing as it has wings of light of it's own it seems, probably has a holographic-afterimage function too - though this last bit is admittedly a blind guess since I've yet to see it in an animated format. But bottom line, elements of the F-91 were used in a lot of the Cosmic Era mobile suits by the end - including the Strike Freedom, so it does indeed count here. - Second, can you name me one other mobile suits that instantly come to mind when mentioning a suit with glowing gold inner framework? Plus, just like how the Shining Gundam doesn't have the gold framework off the bat, the Strike Gundam doesn't have it apparent when in "Phase Shift Down/Detective Mode." When it powers up upon *manual activation* (the same as you admitted the Shining Gundam as being), it's inner frames become gold. Just look at the two side-by-side - you cant tell me there's no comparison. Hell, most interpretations of the Strike Freedom nowadays show that it's shoulders can split open to reveal more gold framework just like the Shining Gundam. 1.bp.blogspot.com/-YyRVQF6FojE/UmNvL2aizYI/AAAAAAAFWcs/GTxlw99fQuc/s1600/64.jpg Shoulder's popped open with gold framework inside. Gold glowing hands. Gold inner frame exposed on the sides of the shins. You can't deny it has several similarities to the Shining Gundam's super-mode - especially the remastered versions and the RG/MG/PG renditions of it. Both the Strike Freedom and the Destiny took elements from the Shining Gundam - the Destiny took a combat aspect while the Strike Freedom took a physical aspect. - You can honestly look at the original SEED series and *not* think that they were paralleling Kira to Amuro Ray? Come on, man - you're not stupid, I know that much. The way they were both reluctantly thrust into battle to pilot the experimental mobile weapon Gundam (which, BTW, the Strike has a pretty close resemblance to the RX-78-2 Gundam in many regards) matches pretty closely. Both were heroic, kind-hearted people that gained abilities that set them above the pack, and both became powerful warriors that matured into tempered and collected men by the end of their respective careers - hell, they even opted to retire from fighting for peaceful lives until circumstances forced their returns to battle. Yes, they had differences at the end, but more then a few similarities too. It's actually *hilarious* that you seem to think there's no similarity, given all they had in common - even in crossover games like Super Robot Wars, the similarities are noted. hell, even Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 got that much right in how Amuro easily befriended Kira during the course of the story. Plus, black torso with red marks with the rest of the limbs being white? Plus the advent of thought-guided remote pods? Sorry dude - you can't match up *that* statistic with more then two suits - the Nu and the Hi-Nu. And the Hi-Nu didn't have a black torso. And again, with all that Amuro and Kira had in common - even having had starts and introductions to the gundam that paralleled each-other - it's one thing that you really can't deny, especially since it's a feature that went back to the original Freedom with a black torso against a white body. That design paralleling the Nu Gundam fits in with how Kira's start paralleled Amuro's, and in how many traits they shared with each-other. - No, I'm not thinking of the wrong thing there - this is an element that was carried over from the original Freedom. Both the Freedom and the Strike Freedom referenced it with the METEOR and with their railgun designs. And FYI, the Strike Freedom's torso more "clearly" matches the Nu Gundam then it does the Double X (the lack of a green centerpiece in the chest kind of makes that clear, as do the matching side-vents). What matches the Double X are the railguns, and then with the Strike Freedom it's the duel rifles. The Bottom Line here is that the Strike Freedom draws from just as many suits as the Destiny - three of those suits being ones that you also compared to the Destiny (The Victory-2, Shining, and F-91). I mean, you already don't care for the Strike Freedom - why is admitting it's faults so hard for you when you're so gung-ho about doing it for the Destiny? *4>* A plot device. Not to *me,* no - but your comments are making me wonder about you, since if it's so "piss-poorly" explained, how can you have such absolute certainty about what it can and can't do. You yourself said it - it's the *equivalent* to minovsky particles. But, that in turn doesn't make them the same thing as minovsky particles - therefore, it's hard to see why you're saying I don't know what a plot device is when you're not doing it for the Mirage Colloid yourself. It strikes me is hypocritical. *5>* Yet you're willing to completely discredit any and all theoretical suppositions as if the don't apply *in spite* of the claim you just now made about there being nothing concrete, even when what we know *does* correlate with said supposition and nothing stated by said facts either discredits or denies the possibility. Take what I said with the Mirage Colloid being possibly used as an artificial replication of solar winds for the Destiny's Voiture Lumiere system as being (A) why the Destiny's wings take on such a radiant glow when the Stargazer never did, (B) why the Destiny's battery got so damned drained from it. and (C) how the thing can still function in an atmosphere. Plus, it uses conventional boosters from it's back and legs - that may help give it starting thrust and the ability to make directional changes. You act like supposition is completely invalid when there is nothing that disproves it, and is based on what we already know just as much as your own conclusions were - for some reason, anything that isn't stone cold fact just doesn't seem to exist in your mind, and that in turn can severely limit what you can debate with in regards to things that will always have theoretical properties like mixing Mirage Colloid to Voiture Lumiere. Same thing with the prospect of anti-ship swords being coated with anti-beam lamination as a rule of thumb based on how the sword doesn't instantly get cut in half upon contact with a beam saber. *6>* It may be "the oldest arguement in the book," but even with all that attitude of yours, you didn't say it wasn't an argument applicable to this, though :) And by saying those words before, you in turn are basically admitting that you've got nothing - you can't definitively disprove it anymore then you can prove the opposite. In fact (and yes this will sound rude - but damned if you still haven't learned to stop acting condescending to others yet), it looks like you're dragging up it's equally old as all Hell counter of "No solid source information" as a way to try and *bury* it so that you don't have to deal with the theoretical aspects of anything. And, on top of that, I should point out that my source was *the exact same as yours was* - the note you made regarding the Frankenstein-esque experimentation that Druandall (or his R&D team, at least) made on the Voiture Lumiere system through blindly mixing and matching systems to it, which in turn can be seen as somewhat easier to understand in a war situation (especially with the OP shit the EA was turning out at the time, and like I said before, Durandall was always a risk-taker). I also cited the fact that, just from a side-by-side comparison, you can tell that the Destiny's Wings of Light most definitely don't seem to work the same same as the Stargazer's Voiture Lumiere system - not anymore, at least, after Durandall's scientists went and played witch-doctor with it. It's hard to call someone out on having supposedly-invalid theoreticals when it's based on the exact same data you yourself used - that, my friend, is something you still have to learn: namely that facts alone are only half the equation, and you can't call someone making those deductions as being "baseless" if it's the same data you used - not without potentially discrediting yourself too, that is. Sometimes, you don't have much choice but to fill in the blanks, because last I checked, we don't live in a world where the answers are obvious. *7>* Dude, the capabilities of newtypes and their abilities in conjunction with full-psychoframe mobile suits like the Unicorn or Banshee (or Phenix) was never truly explored until Gundam Unicorn was made. Also, when you say "apparently," does that mean you haven't seen the final episode of the OVA series? On top of that, it was never stated in any of the research on Psychoframes of that kind of crystallization or regenerative capability existing, because psychoframes weren't studied in depth like that - let alone the effects of a full-body psychoframe suit like the Unicorn or the Banshee, and most certainly not under conditions like that. And if that was really how it worked with the energy = expansion thing, then the psychoframe could have just as easily shattered and tore the gundam apart completely. And "psychically put the Unicorn back together" still doesn't explain how it's possible to do with the data available (melding the matter back the way it was for example, or how he previously decomposed the Sinaju and Neo Zeong), or where any hint of it being possible comes from. Are you speaking from the data, or from hindsight here, or from both? If it's the latter, can you really say what point the two mix or seperate - what you definitely got from hindsight and what you didn't? On top of that, I'm a little shocked that you can wave things like completely breaking the laws of physics and meshing shattered armor fragments seamlessly back together through pure psychic energy aside, yet be so persnickety about any theoreticals regarding the Destiny's Wings of Light and it's use of Mirage Colloid and a set of conventional thrusters having potentially changed how the original Voiture Lumiere worked. (Also, no - they didn't show the return to base. The OVA ends with the two flying back right after the Unicorn "regenerates," and then pans out to a view of the colony and space from there, before fading to black as the credits continue to roll) *8>* Once again, though, it's also based on *your own cited source* of Durandall and his R&D team throwing in random stuff like Mirage Colloid and having unexpected results during testing - doesn't that in and of itself kind of show that if they didn't expect it or didn't know what would happen, that the original limitations and functions of the Voiture Lumiere system can no longer be applied to the Destiny? This is taking both the aesthetics and what *you yourself* said about the Wings of Light's testing phase, as stated by *your own cited source.* So you can't say otherwise without *going against* your own cited source. The big issue I'm having here is that you seem completely unwilling to accept any sort of supposition, even when it's based on and even supported by sources you yourself have listed and used. You and I are looking at opposite halves of the equation - you keep looking for ways to definitively disprove it while I'm searching out ways it could work. And again, *you yourself* cited from your source that by the time they got the Destiny to field-testing, they basically had no clue what to expect or what would happen - doesn't that in and of itself tell you that they'd experimented on and altered the Voiture Lumiere so much that they couldn't predict the results anymore? Doesn't that alone *definitively show* that the expectations of the original Voiture Lumiere no longer applied by the time the system was trans-mutated into the Wings of Light? Like I said, it seems like you're suddenly forgetting your own cited sources, now that they're being used to form an opposing point. How they work may not have a detailed explanation, but you yourself, *by your own words* no less, all but definitively laid out that the by the time the Voiture Lumiere became the Wings of Light, they had no idea what it could do anymore - meaning that one thing we can at least be sure of is that Voiture Lumiere's design specs no longer apply to the Destiny in the way they did to the original system the Stargazer used. On to Shinn and Durandal: I mean... look at Shinn. I mean really, really look at Shinn. Even if the Destiny *was* supposed to be used in bursts only (and for all we know, it may *have* been)... does he strike you as the type that would follow the manual on how to use the thing rather then gun it until the gears stripped? Think about it - this is the guy that took a balanced jack-of-all-trades machine with no focused strengths and charged up to melee range against the Infinite Justice - a machine built to *dominate* in melee combat - and against it's pilot Athrun Zala - someone who not only excelled in close-range fighting, but was a much more veteran pilot then Shinn and knew nearly every move Shinn knew. Does a guy like that strike you as a person that would tone down on the throttle for the Destiny or utilize the machine in *any* method that would equate to an efficient display of piloting, especially late in the series when he was basically completely rage-blinded out of a wounded pride? Even if it was based off his Impulse's Silhouette packs and built for him to use, the dude was not mature, or collected, or controlled enough to pilot the Destiny - *you* could have flown the thing better against Athrun and Kira then Shinn did. Hell, *I* could have used it better then Shinn did. With Durandall... dude, look at what he pulled in his career. He created four new Gundams behind the backs of the EA and ORB in spite of the treaty. He ordered the untested Minerva to peruse an unknown attacking ship when the Minerva was completely untested. He tried to have Lacus murdered with a team of coordinators in high-end ZAFT suits that couldn't have come from anywhere else but top-of-the-line production facilities, all but cementing ZAFT wanting Lacus dead. And before that, there were hints in the extended universe of the manga that he knew the Break the World incident was coming and yet let it happen so he could have his war to expose LOGOS with. And, again, according to *your own source,* he was basically the one that gave the green-light to stuffing Mirage Colloid particles into the Voiture Lumiere for the Wings of Light in the first place, now wasn't he? Hell, his chess-buddy was freaking Rau Le Creuset, the genocidal clone who wanted humanity to destroy itself. And then there was his Destiny Plan in deciding how the world would be run based on what genes a person was born with, and thought that completely wiping out the EA's leadership and capitol city with the same weapon that murdered thousands upon thousands of Durandall's own people would *convince* the world that he *wasn't* a crazy fascist. Honestly, did he seem like someone that gave a damn about what he did or what risks he took so long as he got his way?? And honestly, I could cite the whole "you would never see Major Wold Nations now a days do shit like that" thing for at least one faction for just almost every single Gundam series to-date - recently too, in my opinion, (Looking at you, A-LAWS of Gundam 00) - so I personally think that's a redundant point. *9>* But again, what I based my suppositions off of *are the same sources that you yourself used.* So how exactly is it any less valid? It's the same thing *you* based *your* claims on, meaning that you're in the same boat as me, dude. Take my claim on the Wings of Light - again, that was based on your own claims and cited source on them having done so much experimentation with the Voiture Lumiere by meshing Mirage Colloid into it that they didn't know what to expect, which by extension means that we logically can't take the original functions of the Stargazer's Voiture Lumiere and use that to judge what the Destiny can or can't do with it. I'm basing that off the official source you yourself utilized in your vid - so how exactly is it that different? All I'm saying is that we really don't know how it works for sure because you yourself have stated that by the testing phase the scientists themselves didn't know what to expect anymore. Those are based off the facts that, again, *you* brought to the table. How exactly does that contradict what we know when it's based on what *you* brought to the debate? You're basically going against your own cited source here - my friend, you can't go on a rant about it for your point and then disregard it when it's used to support the opposing belief. It doesn't make a lick of sense. *10>* Right words, wrong end of the argument - I really should be the one saying that to you right now, you know. First off - what you said just there was my *entire point,* yet you missed the gist of it completely, my friend. The question was *why* did the Infinite Justice have a shield-mounted energy shield instead just placing it on the forearms or wrist like the Destiny, Legend or Strike Freedom? Why make this "double shield" in the first place? It was for *double reinforcement* - the energy layer protected against beam attacks while the physical shield underneath served to deflect physical melee attacks that could potentially break through the barrier. Instead of the Strike Freedom or Legend, which had "beam-spam" to keep people from closing the distance, the Infinite Justice, *and* the Destiny kept physical shields in the eventuality that someone got close enough to them that they either couldn't bring up the energy shield, or pierced the energy shield with a physical blade like an anti-ship sword. It had a physical shield underneath to serve as a backup and countermeasure for it the energy shield was broken - hell, even when looking it up, it tells you the same thing. Now, whereas the Infinite Justice's shield is an all-in-one broadshield like a knight, the Destiny's looks more speced to be a secondary backup or is meant for close-range countering - like a gladiatorial shield, almost. Example: i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd424/shaileehiggins/Fairy%20Tail%20Guild/shield.jpg By this, I mean something that could be used to help in CQC parrying as well as to block incoming physical melee attacks. And again, like the Infinite Justice, it makes sense for the Destiny to carry a physical shield in addition to energy shields because it can't "beam spam" like the Strike Freedom or Legend can, so it needs to be prepared for "knife-fights" or the like, where the enemy has access to physical blades that can actually puncture the energy shield. *11>* Honestly dude, it seems like you're missing a lot of what I'm saying. First off, I should point out that, again, the Solidus Fulgor *can't defend against everything.* For example, it's been factually stated that materials that have anti-beam properties *can pierce straight through lightwave barriers,* including Armore Lumiere and energy shields. A prime example of this is weapons that are coated in anti-beam lamination - as proven when Gui Murakumo, in his Astray Blue Frame, sliced *clean through* the Armure Lumiere of the Hyperion Gundam 3 with one of his physical anti-beam laminated blades, as seen in the photo novel "Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Astray B - Chapter 25: Hyperion Unit 3," where Gui shocks the Hyperion pilot with the knowledge that weapons treated in anti-beam lamination can slice straight through the Armure Lumiere. This, in addition to Shinn's tangles with Kira and Athrun and the Arondight's success on the Destroy's barriers, gives credence to my claims of weapons like the anti-ship sword having anti-beam lamination likely being a rule of thumb for the SEED universe - and also validates my point that energy shields aren't quite so "impenetrable" after all since *simple anti-beam coating* can allow melee weapons to go right through it, and thus justifies the Destiny and Infinite Justice carrying physical shields in the event of the worst-case scenario where an opponent has said weapons at their disposal and closed the gap enough to use them. Satisfied? One "tiny shield" could be the Destiny's lifeline in blocking or parrying melee weapons that can cut through the Solidus Fulgor like Gui's blades could for the Hyperion's Armure Lumiere. And to counter your point about "why is there only one," I'd say it was the same reason why the Infinite Justice didn't have two shields - so that the other hand wouldn't be overly weighed-down, since that would be the hand you wield the counterweapon in, be it the blade or a rifle - you know, just like how almost all historical warriors had a shield for one arm but not the other so that there was no unnecessary weight to their weapon arm for the counterattack? That tends to be close combat 101 - one arm gets the shield, the other gets the weapon. You don't place shields on both arms like that because then the other arm has unnecessary weight hindering the weapon arm needed for countering. That tends to be how melee combat works, and why few people went around with twin physical shields, dude. Like I said, energy shields for projectiles, and physical shield for melee weapons. On top of that, I should point out that my above statement about what Gui did against the Hyperion 3 kinda proves why, rare an instance as it would be, it never hurts to have that safety net - because when a physical blade is cutting through your Solidus Fulgor or an Anti-Ship Sword is piercing through it like a spear, it no longer seems quite so "obviously pointless" anymore. Just sayn' - that Hyperion 3 unit that Gui trashed could have used it. So could the Destroy's when Shinn was shishkebabing them on the Destiny's Arondight Anti-Ship Sword. And in all fareness, even as of the Remaster, the RG kit, and the Super Robot Wars Z3 game, it still has that shield. Another issue is that people - like you (no offense) - tend to just jump on the whole "it's pointless!" bandwagon without stopping to consider that there really must have been a *reason* it has the thing. And again, the reason is that, as proven by Gui Murakumo, physical blades with anti-beam lamination can slice clean through lightwave barriers like the Armure Lumiere and the energy shield, and against weapons like that, having a physical shield that can counter it may mean the difference between victory and defeat. While the community isn't stupid, people can make mistakes - and I believe you may have made one here by not brushing up on SEED lore regarding the (and now you can't really deny they exist anymore) vulnerabilities regarding lightwave barriers and the misconception that they're completely impenetrable. Then the misinformation spreads, and it snowballs until it is regarded as "fact" when it's really anything but. I urge you - learn from this, my friend. *12>* Here is another issue - confusing personal belief with fact, just because you based your beliefs of stated information. I likewise must turn the point back on you and stress that basing something on fact doesn't mean your beliefs are going to be fact. And as shown above with your lack of knowledge on lightwave barriers being vulnerable to weapons coated in anti-beam lamination, there's always the chance that you may miss a crucial bit of information. Another fault you have is never taking probabilities or theoreticals into account - "Popularity =/= Quality" is only the case half of the time. Saying "never has, never will" is as big a misconception as, like I said before, your incorrect belief on Solidus Fulgor being impenetrable to anything but Tannhauser-level weapons. And once again, as I have stated before, everything has it's fans - right and wrong on things like that tend to be subjective. The fact that the show is so popular in spite of your "mountains of evidence" is proof of that - as is the fact that, despite being a self-proclaimed Gundam expert, you seemingly never discovered Gui Murakumo's "lesson" to the Hyperion 3 pilot (and no, I don't intend to let you live that down, my friend. It is, in all honesty, a very big thing for you to overlook :) ). *13>* Again, not when people like Gui Murakumo come to the forefront. And again, there is how the Destiny could shishkebab a Destroy straight through it's lightwave barrier. The Arondight's tip is probably smothered in anti-beam lamination for piercing energy-shields - which would also explain why it no longer has a beam-blade at the tip anymore: because that bit is needed for exclusive use against energy shields. The boot fits, at least. *14>* Incorrect for several reasons. The Arondight fixed many of the problems with it's copactable nature, and in light of your claims of Cosmic Era beam-sabers being unable to connect with each-other, it makes it the only melee weapon that, when coated with anti-beam lamination, can counter (for a brief period of time, at least) a beam saber. And *unlike* your impractical Ascalon, an anti-ship sword can puncture straight through lightwave barriers by, again, being coated in anti-beam lamination - without needing to go through the "Assload" of wasted energy that your Ascalon needed. On top of that, the Armure Lumiere your Ascalon needed can't even be shaped to form your blade due to the fact that the barriers need a series of emitters in an array around something to make a shape, and thus could never make the tapered-off edge for your sword without needing to have an emitter floating over the tip to hold the thing together. What you "did" was make an ultimately impractical weapon compared to the compact yet reliable and replaceable Arondight, which, as shown in the anime as well, went through said lightwave barriers easily whereas your blade would have needed a ton of energy to get the same result as... well, as a metal rod with anti-beam coating did. And with the Freedom and Impulse, I should remind you that the Impulse was charging forward at top speed and had off-balanced the Freedom so that the machine was careening/half-falling toward it. It was like driving a slab of meat down onto the horns of a charging bull - it's *not that surprising* that the Freedom's shield broke. That would have been the result regardless of if the "beam-tip" of the Excalibur was active at the time or not - it's a matter of two forces slamming into each-other, my friend. It was less that the "beam-tip" was active and more the fact that there was a giant blade coming at it at high-speeds while the Freedom itself had inadvertently shifted it's own momentum toward said oncoming pike of death - making the beam-tip pretty much irrelevant in why the shield broke as opposed to the force of the physical blade behind it tearing through from the two forces coming together, which would have been what happened *regardless*. Thus, with that, I'm sorry to say that your points are what ring moot, my friend - not mine. *15>* You mean, the part where you said "it's never explained how these things work"? Because that was less an "answer" and more a "there is no answer." You yourself have been stating that you wouldn't believe any explanation without detail - yet when I stated that you already confirmed the Wings of Light don't work through *your own cited source* of Durandall's R&D team experimenting on it like Frankenstein to the point that they didn't know what to expect from it anymore by the time the testing phase came. I based this off the words/source *you yourself used* - yet you keep trying to deny it as possible that the Wings of Light no longer work the same as the Stargazer's original Voiture Lumiere did. It makes no sense to say that, dude. *16>* This is what I mean by "condescending" and when I say that people don't enjoy debating with you all that much. In it's base form, Palma Fiocina looks like a "flare" of energy at the palms, and Shinn likely discharges it at close-range out of preference for it as a melee weapon. Plus, again, I cite how weapon output can likely be manually adjusted - just like how it seems Kira did with the railguns when he shot at the Destiny point-blank. It's called "optimizing power distribution" - which strikes me as a necessary feature to have with a machine that eats up power like the Destiny does. Bottom line - you're discounting quite a bit, just because it seems that Shinn found a way to use it that it's creators didn't intend. Skill with a mobile suit can allow you to do crazy things, and sometimes the equipment can end up taking punishment or performing in ways it was never originally designed to do or sustain. It may simply be a matter of how much energy you let flow from the core to the weapons when it comes to the Palma Fiocina. *17>* But, by extension, the Perfect Strike would therefore still not be capable of matching the sortie time of a Nuclear-powered mobile suit, as no battery-equipped suit could ever "normally" match up to a nuclear-powered one in pure-runtime (at least if you aren't gunning the battery to death like Shinn did :P) *18>* Like I said before, dude - the Wings of Light combine Voiture Lumiere and Mirage Colloid particles with a set of conventional thrusters on the back in-between the binders and on the back of the shins and on the hip-skirts, so, again, you really can't say for sure it it actually *is* impossible or not to use the system in bursts. It could have been that Shinn was simply too hot-headed to ever use it in a conservative way. And once again, we know it really can't be treated the same as the original Voiture Lumiere system of the Stargazer based on *your own cited source* of the R&D team blindly experimenting with it to the point that they didn't actually know what to expect anymore, which in turn means that the original specifications of the base Voiture Lumiere system can't be used to accurately judge how the Wings of Light work anymore - there are just too many differences to take into account, even if we bar what you yourself stated about their development and testing cycle. They may very well *work* like thrusters without being thrusters in the conventional sense in the sense that they may have an adjustable rate of acceleration, and that Shinn simply never cut back on the "throttle" enough to take advantage of such a function. Again, we don't know - all we know is that, based on your own source, we can't expect it to work or behave like the original Voiture Lumiere system. *19>* No - no, you didn't, dude. If anything, you gave credence to the idea that it can't be expected to work the same way the Stargazer's original Voiture Lumiere system did. That *exact same source you cited* noted that the R&D team basically was throwing these elements into a blender, hitting frape and crossing their fingers hoping for a breakthrough. That in and of itself means that they didn't know what to expect, which in turn means that the system can't be expected to function the same way the original did - and that's discounting things like the nuclear battery, the inclusion of Mirage Colloid particles and a conventional thruster system. For the seventh time as well, I will repeat this - we may not know how the system itself works for sure, but all we can be sure of is, if *your own source* is any indication, it's not going to function the same way the original Voiture Lumiere did. The absolutes we had didn't cover everything, as there are plenty of possible theories - such as, like I said before, that perhaps the Destiny uses Morage Colloid as an artificial substitute for solar winds, explaining the luminescence of the Destiny's Wings of Light has when compared to the "light curtan" from the Voiture Lumiere on the Stargazer. It only "makes zero sense" to you because, as I said before, you're unwilling to make any kind of theoreticals or guesswork into it. *20>* Again, I have stated multiple times that it's not unlikely for a system to be used for something it wasn't designed for. For this, I can cite the Nu Gundam with how it performed "The Miracle" at AXIS, and with the Gundam 00 Raiser with it's ability to quantize when in Trans-Am. And then there are events in SEED Destiny when Kira caught the Arondight with his hands by using the beam-shields to null the beam-blade and his physical hands to catch the sword's framework. I also state the possibility of manual power adjustment by altering the amount of power from the core to the weapon itself - most weapons are like adjustable in their power outputs, just like how railguns are probably adjusted to compensate for things like atmospheric pressure, water density if used when submerged in or shooting into a body of water, wind-currents, a gravity well and so-forth. Shinn could have adjusted them to act like a "flare burst" rather then an energy blast to serve his up-close-and-personal style of fighting. Plus, even if it's not G Gundam, you yourself noted the guys designed it to pay homage to it. And again, the way they were designed doesn't necessarily limit the uses they have. Another example was with Shinn detaching the Impulse's components in his fight with the Freedom in order to keep Kira off-balanced - I doubt the thing was designed to operate like that, or at least wasn't designed to operate like that safely. I should also remind you that a fair bit of things that some Gundam's can do end up coming off as "laughably retarded" at times - I doubt the Destiny is the only machine guilty of that. *21>* And why shouldn't I "worry" about Kaihegie? No offense, but near as I can tell, he doesn't seem to be wrong - not with how you've responded to people when they bring up any attempt to defend the Destiny Gundam. You call them everything from "in denial" to "morons," and that's not including my own personal experience with your method of debating in the previous round of comments.You often come off as condescending and, quite honestly, somewhat smug when you debate. It makes it hard to believe you'd ever really concede to something. But *you yourself don't have that.* You based opinions of what you saw, and made judgement on things that by your own admission didn't have clear-cut explanations on how they functions - like with how Mirage Colloid and Voiture Lumiere combine to make the Wings of Light. Yet when someone offers up an explanation, you shoot it down - thus far, it doesn't seem like you've done *anything* to prove you're all that open to criticism, especially if it's about deficiencies in the Arch Destiny. I mean, being honest, that Arch Destiny machine looked was the result of over-thinking and too many redundancies in the design. - Flash Edge III is redundant because you could spend the time, effort, money, thrusters and computer guidance systems on DRAGOONS instead - you may as well build a DRAGOON system for the thing instead of waste the money on disposable weapons like the Flash Edge and it's subsequent replacements. - Ascalon was redundant because of how you tend to need multiple emitters arranged in an array to get the Armure Lumiere barrier system to shape that way, making it impractical for use even in standard beam sabers, let alone a tapered Zweihandar-type weapon like the Ascalon. The Arondight was tried, true, effective, replaceable and could do the job just as well without using anywhere as much power as your Ascalon needed to break through energy shields. - Ragnarok was impractical outside of being a ship-mounted weapon, or a gun-unit for a ZAKU on gunner duty from the deck of a ship like what Lunimaria would often do with her machine. The "recharge as the barrel changes orientation" means that it would constantly be sapping the battery, and all for shots that, in that short time-frame, wouldn't have enough condensed energy to match up to the Hyper-Impulse or even the Agni, and by constantly sapping the battery like that, it wouldn't be any different then how the Wings of Light drained it - it would require more power then you could put out, and shots that were individually weaker then the Hyper-Impulse. And like the previous weapons, the development, maintenance, repair and replacement costs make it an impractical weapon for a machine like the Destiny when compared to the Hyper-Impulse. - The Tombstones were all-around redundant because the Palma Fiocina already does their job well enough, acting as a flare of concentrated energy. - The "improved" Palma Fiocina is basically redundant to have - if you have a rifle, why make this version capable of maintaining it's fire-rate? The original served as a short-range weapon and a melee weapon - so why shift the focus like that and force the use of two individual weapons to make up for what the original did in conjunction with it's beam rifle? - The Tachyon.... I mean, between your "improved" Palma Fiocina and the Ragnarok, this weapon is also just plain redundant to have, and it doesn't function in a way different from other beam rifles. - The paint-job... I mean, it looks like almost a mirror image the Srike Noir's colors - the red, gray and orange are just lightened. This machine would fit in with Gundam Build Fighters, in my opinion - but as a battlefield replacement to the Destiny in the cannon series? No - too many redundancies in the design compared to the more balanced loadout the original had. All in all, you're still acting so bluntly condescending that people really can't often sustain a debate with you - you say one thing, but then belittle them at every turn without ever seeming to make any concessions. Once again, this is why people can't seem to debate with you.

[@WackyModder84]

Smith Baran  Ok Seriously, dude. Talking to you is like talking to a Goddamn Brick Wall. =_=;; > *"Dude, have you actually looked at the Strike Freedom or Legend, or the Destroy, or the many mobile armors that came around before them? The F-91 Gundam's energy shields were being ripped off by just about every suit in the SEED Destiny era by the end - picking the Destiny out of all the others is, again, picking one thief out of a group of them. They're all guilty of it, so singling one out is redundant - it makes it look like you're gunning for that one individual."* Even though I literally JUST FUCKING EXPLAINED how the F91's Energy Shields are NOT a Rip-Off when CLEARLY other mobile suits in F91 had them too BESIDES the F91 Itself. Your argument is fucking ridiculous, dude. > *"On top of that, as of the first SEED series, the energy shields were limited to the Artemis base (which back then, was basically a full quarantine where nothing could get in or out of the barrier), and then later on to the Hyperion (which solved the "sealed bubble" issue the previous version had) - and the Hyperion needed multiple emitters in an array to make it work, which was nowhere near the blatent copy of the F-91's arm-shield that the latter versions were. You can't honestly look these machines - especially not the last-generation Cosmic Era machines like the Legend and Strike Freedom - and say that the Destiny was the only one that copied it, can you? And with the movie, you're arguing semantics on other machines from that era using it (besides, you yourself didn't see fit to mention that detail when comparing it to the Destiny in the first place, so why bring it up now?). he bottom line is that it's an upgrade that was taken from F-91 and implemented in most of the late-generation Cosmic Era suits - which is not limited to the Destiny."* NOW look who's missing the point, dude?! LOL I told you flat-out in the video that the only F91 Reference the Destiny has is the fucking AFTER-IMAGES, NOT the Energy Shields. If you are THAT STUBBORN to not realize that Energy Shields are nothing but an Upgrade in Technology that mimics the U.C. Timeline and Energy Shields were NOT exclusive to the F91 itself in the fucking movie, then I really can't take you seriously right now. > *"They used less suits, but took more of those two suits features because of that - it's still pulling from something else. You're just using the number of suits as a judging point, and not how much of said suit is being put into the design - or at the very least, the latter isn't having as much of an impact on your judgement as it should. Somehow, ripping off single elements of a high number of suits is a bigger sin to you then ripping off key design elements or framework aesthetics of one or two suits almost entirely." And you would be correct. I'm being dead serious, right now. You are absolutely right. The NUMBER of References that something uses in my eyes is what determines just how lazy and uninspired its design is. If I see another Mobile Suit that has a smaller amount of references, but those 1 or 2 references are much more noticeable, that can be considered paying homage at that point. That's like saying that the Strike, 0 Gundam, and AGE-1 are all rip-offs of RX-78. When they're not. They're established to be the equivalent of that Gundam in this universe and are paying homage to it. You see, THIS right here is the first moment where we can FINALLY agree to disagree. Because your definition of what constitutes as a rip-off is CLEARLY Different from mine. So let's just leave it at that. > *"Also: img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120301170052/gundam/images/0/01/Vs_destroy_%281%29.jpg Do those wings on the Turn Delta Astray look familiar to you? Case in point - the Destiny is hardly the only suit that took from those three. The Strike and Zeta make sense because the former is the Destiny's "grandfather" in the series, and the latter was to hammer in how the writers wanted to parallel Shinn to Kamille Bidan. The Shining Gundam was a suit they admitted was given a homage to by the Destiny's Palma Fiocina. But the Turn-A, F-91 and Victory-2 were ripped off by a lot of the late-generation Cosmic Era suits, and in the cases of the Delta and Turn Delta, entire limbs or sections were copied wholesale from the Victory-2 and the functions of Voiture Lumiere in the Turn Delta and to a much lesser extent, the Stargazer - which strikes me as just as lazy, or in my opinion as being even more lazy then taking from multiple sources."* Dude, I literally JUST TOLD YOU last comment that the Delta Astray AND Turn Delta Astray are BOTH referencing Victory 2 Gundam. I specifically said that. You're making it seem like I pretend the Delta and Turn Delta don't exist. Which is not true at all. But just because OTHER GUNDAMS did it too doesn't mean I shouldn't count the Destiny out for it. Again, the Destiny just has the HIGHEST REFERENCE COUNT in Gundam History. That's why I have such a big problem with that, because it lost all sense of whatever identity it was trying to get. But once again, this is something we've basically agreed to disagree on because your definition of what constitutes as such is different from mine. > *"The Strike Freedom takes from as many suits as the Destiny."* I'm not even gonna argue with you on that one anymore, dude. Everything I tell you with that goes in one ear and out the other due to your definition of a reference being totally different from mine. > *"Second, can you name me one other mobile suits that instantly come to mind when mentioning a suit with glowing gold inner framework?"* - Stargazer Gundam - RX-0 Banshee Gundam Those are guys with glowing inner framework that ISN'T JUST COLOR like the Strike Freedom's. The Super Mode isn't just Color at all with Shining Gundam. If it WAS, then MAYBE you might have a point here. But it's not. > *"- You can honestly look at the original SEED series and not think that they were paralleling Kira to Amuro Ray? Come on, man - you're not stupid, I know that much. The way they were both reluctantly thrust into battle to pilot the experimental mobile weapon Gundam (which, BTW, the Strike has a pretty close resemblance to the RX-78-2 Gundam in many regards) matches pretty closely. Both were heroic, kind-hearted people that gained abilities that set them above the pack, and both became powerful warriors that matured into tempered and collected men by the end of their respective careers - hell, they even opted to retire from fighting for peaceful lives until circumstances forced their returns to battle. Yes, they had differences at the end, but more then a few similarities too. It's actually hilarious that you seem to think there's no similarity, given all they had in common - even in crossover games like Super Robot Wars, the similarities are noted."* Amuro Ray: - Arrogant - Bad Attitude - Selfish - Naive - Goes into battle without thinking - Whinny - Immature Kira Yamato: - Selfless - Pure of Heart - Pacifist - Hypocrite that nobody questions. - Always Right, Never Wrong How are these two characters even REMOTELY similar? It's obvious that Kira was meant to be modeled off of Amuro, yes, but the result has him being the Complete Opposite of him. Amuro was an Anti-Sue, Kira was a Mary Su. It's like Apples and Oranges. > *"It's actually hilarious that you seem to think there's no similarity, given all they had in common - even in crossover games like Super Robot Wars, the similarities are noted. hell, even Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 got that much right in how Amuro easily befriended Kira during the course of the story."* You wanna know what even MORE hilarious? The fact that YOU are actually taking DWG as an actually Credible Crossover Story. THAT is hilarious. Because guess what, my misguided little friend? In Super Robot Wars Z, *EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER*, including Amuro, all label Kira Yamato as nothing but a TERRORIST. And rightfully so, btw. Don't believe me? See for yourself! i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/676/474/b38.jpg Argument *INVALID*. > *"A plot device. Not to me, no - but your comments are making me wonder about you, since if it's so "piss-poorly" explained, how can you have such absolute certainty about what it can and can't do. You yourself said it - it's the equivalent to minovsky particles. But, that in turn doesn't make them the same thing as minovsky particles - therefore, it's hard to see why you're saying I don't know what a plot device is when you're not doing it for the Mirage Colloid yourself. It strikes me is hypocritical."* Once again, dude. I go by the OFFICIAL SOURCE MATERIAL. And if something in the official source material pops up that doesn't make sense NOR does it have any relevance to the original function of what it was originally shown as, then that tells me with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that this is definitely impossible to happen because if the Source Material is Contradicting itself, just like A LOT OF SHIT from SEED does, then that creates a Technological Plot-Hole! I figured even a 5 Year Old could figure that one out, dude! O_o > *"Yet you're willing to completely discredit any and all theoretical suppositions as if the don't apply in spite of the claim you just now made about there being nothing concrete, even when what we know does correlate with said supposition and nothing stated by said facts either discredits or denies the possibility."* Again with that bullshit argument. Dude, that whole argument of "It neither discredits or denies the possibility" is, as I said before, an act of pathetic desperation that does nothing to help your arguments and is totally not applicable here. Again, the only thing that matters is the SOURCE MATERIAL and what it says. And if after analyzing it, we see that things don't make sense, THEN that's when you have the right to call "PLOT-HOLE!". > *"Take what I said with the Mirage Colloid being possibly used as an artificial replication of solar winds for the Destiny's Voiture Lumiere system as being (A) why the Destiny's wings take on such a radiant glow when the Stargazer never did, (B) why the Destiny's battery got so damned drained from it. and (C) how the thing can still function in an atmosphere. Plus, it uses conventional boosters from it's back and legs - that may help give it starting thrust and the ability to make directional changes. You act like supposition is completely invalid when there is nothing that disproves it, and is based on what we already know just as much as your own conclusions were - for some reason, anything that isn't stone cold fact just doesn't seem to exist in your mind, and that in turn can severely limit what you can debate with in regards to things that will always have theoretical properties like mixing Mirage Colloid to Voiture Lumiere.* Because again, there's NOTHING in the source material that even says that is even REMOTELY possible! "Oh, but there's nothing that says it ISN'T possible either!" That's a fucking pointless argument right there, dude. You don't seem to realize when a show TELLS rather than SHOWS and expects others to believe it without questioning it. That seems to be the biggest problem with you that I've noticed. Honestly, dude. I'm gonna stop here for now. As I'm reading through your whole list of comments, your arguments are just the same shit as the last 3 comments repeated over and over again. It's like talking to a brick wall here. At this point, we might as well just Agree to Disagree, otherwise we're gonna be writing novels at each other back n forth. I'll come back later to finish typing if I find the time to. But I got a major video to finish up.

[@aznprank]

Smith Baran 1. go search up the difference between a beam shield and a positron reflector, you are making people explain a rookie mistake to you 2. mirage colloid has nothing to do with dragoons, dragoon are AI controlled via quantum communication 3. when did kira ever adjust the output of the railgun? destiny just took the full hit and VPS saved his ass. 4. shinn never fought sword to sword with athrun. the only time he did he got his anti-ship sword cut in half, rewatch that episode again 5. bandai, sunrise and fukuda all claimed beam sabers don't repel in CE, enough said. I don't understand why you are trying to prove bandai is wrong 6. artemis shield can be penetrated, kai did it with his ABC coated knife in x astray 7. lunamaria is actually a melee person, that's been in her character setting, she was mistakenly given a long range unit 8. if you are gonna reply, keep your stuff within 80 lines please. no one got the time to read through and explain all those basic stuff to you when it's already presented

[@MarcusMoMain]

I wonder how the new MS designs in Gundam SEED Freedom would turn out.

[@wolf1221d]

seriously who grabs fucking beam sabers

[@XenoJehuty84]

+WolfBearMoon An idiot named Shinn Asuka and the morons in the writing room of Seed Destiny

[@videomaestro9566]

WolfBearMoon Has it ever been done before?

[@martingravedespair5713]

Well, to be honest the God Gundam may be able to actually be able to mostly successfully block or temporarily catch a Beam Saber.

[@Dudes_in_Suits]

Just quit being angry about every little paint or thing out of place or not original and enjoy the anime like a person should

[@UnicornGundam-rl5fj]

DudesInSuits What about you

[@NV3RTURNYOURBACK]

Stop yelling at me =[

[@WackyModder84]

Ok, apparently you guys aren't understanding me with something. I have told you guys Time and Time Again that I am NOT Yelling. My voice is Naturally Loud by default. And ontop of that, I am also expressing EXTREME Passion in my voice at the same time. Naturally Loud Voice + Extreme Passion = What You Are Hearing In My Videos. *Deal With It*.

[@NV3RTURNYOURBACK]

WackyModder84 I was joking, lol

[@felipebotello5554]

What are your thoughts on the Infinite Justice?

[@Rukunetsu]

I've long stopped paying attention to Gundam, but your knowledge is none-the-less very impressive. Good stuff.

[@setsunafseiei4745]

Hey Wacky, if you're doing a Strike Freedom Gundam video, will you be also talking about the Strike Freedom Gundam Type 2 and Mighty Strike Freedom Gundam?

[@WackyModder84]

You bet your ass I will. I got my work cut out for me with SEED Freedom finally out.

[@asian_quacking_duck3739]

Oh just wait for church of Jesus Yamato to pop out of no where if they still exist

[@WackyModder84]

@@asian_quacking_duck3739 Don't tempt fate, for the love of God. Those were the most degenerate Gundam fans I've ever encountered in my entire life.

[@binhanh296]

Ah yeah, I remember just now. About the Arondight, the non-sharpened part of the sword is unpractical, I though so for a while, and then I remembered watching one science movie about the space shuttle launching into space, accidence happened and the shuttle came right back to Earth. Upon retrieving what's left of the shuttle, the find that the reinforced (or not) metal door has a hole on it, and do you know what cause that, a cushion (about 1m3 or something). They seemed odd, and the scientist (or the Mythbusters, can't actually remember) did an experiment to see if the cushion of that side can actually damage metal with high speed, and you know what, it did, the cushion punch through the metal plate and leave a hole in it. Well, you see, with a soft cushion can actually damage the metal plate, may be the Arondight's non-sharpened part is the same. First the point-blade of the Arondight cut a bit of the armor and then the non-sharpened part break it open, with high speed and strong forces, what do you think?

[@Ehh2850]

I have to ask a couple of questions: 1) Do you have a source where Bandai definitively states that the VL system has nothing to do with the Destiny's movement? I'm asking this because while you say that the RG Destiny manual states that the pink wing flair is nothing more than wasted energy "exhaust" (but doesn't decisively state that they have nothing to do with thrust), Bandai's official "MS Movie File" for the Destiny (which I know you have viewed since you've commented many times on the video page) directly and explicitly states that those very same wings *do* provide the machine with thrust. I'll quote: "The wings of light emitted from its wing units *converted powerful light energy into thrust, **_providing unmatched acceleration_*". Which leads me to the other question 2) Is this a case of retconning, or just a straight up inconsistency?

[@WackyModder84]

What I'm saying is that Bandai INSISTS thats the Wings make the Destiny go faster, but they have ZERO conclusive evidence to prove that statement. And yes, this is BALLS-2-THE-WALL Inconsistency at its finest.

[@lucaszeroimpactgamer4476]

Wacky what happened to the Arch Destiny Gundam Video and have you played Gundam Breaker 3?

[@Falfuris]

dude...your voice is what gets me back here

[@MylesEmpire01]

+WackyModder84 What are your thoughts on Strike Noir Gundam and his anti-ship swords?

[@fffan1995]

Question. Will the strike freedom video come out soon? I'm eager to hear your thoughts on the gundam.

[@binhanh296]

Hi wacky, there's one odd thing about this video. At 8:35, you can see the wing of light of the Destiny Gundam can move, right? that's one heck of a problem, or the game made a mistake in it's designs?

[@SilverGarrison]

Just finished listening to this. What are your thoughts on the 'Barbatos' design so far? Do you feel it's design is 'unique' enough?

[@WackyModder84]

+SilverGarrison *ABSOLUTELY*. Barbatos is basically the "Mega Man" of Gundam. Upgrading itself from the parts of it's fallen enemies is genius, and it's default appearance is already unique as hell as it is. Barbatos is a Gundam that I fell in love with at first sight.

[@lloyetaf6248]

+WackyModder84 The Backpack thing that was used in Strike seems to have laid down a foundation for the newer series. Now they are trying to push the Barbatos to a new level by changing body parts and scavenging.

[@Cieloceryl]

+WackyModder84 The backpacks are also pretty unique as well

[@nope-xe2lx]

+WackyModder84 you forgot the mace swingin master race thing its got.its total badass

[@lunerblade13]

out of curiosity, what do you think in the utilization of the destiny gundam in gundam build fighters try episode 7. what is your opinion. also where is the strike freedom video you mentioned at the end. i would like to hear your opinion.

[@StickFiguresCO]

I'm pretty interested in what your views are on the Strike Freedom Gundam, and didn't have the chance to view the original rant (as I just found out about your channel two days ago). Any word on when (if ever) you plan to re-upload your rant?

[@EclipseHedgehog]

i swear you're like the professor of mobile suit design and im listening to a lecture and i love it!

[@ShroudSavage]

Hey wacky, what do you think of the build strike, build mk-II, and build fighters in general. Ps, favorite gunpla from that show is the Sengoku Astray X)

[@WackyModder84]

AMAZING, so far.

[@gamerrulesgunplarules3063]

The worst Gundam maybe but it's not the weakest Gundam ever made

[@WackyModder84]

Oh of course not. We got the BALL GUNDAM for that one. ;/)

[@StoreWar1]

Hey Wackymodder84: I want to know what would you change to the Strike Freedom to make it original? I like the strike Freedom, but I want to change the Dragoon blocking the wing of light flaw... have any ideas?

[@WackyModder84]

Take away the Voiture Lumiere Wings of Light, and AUTOMATICALLY Just Like That, the Strike Freedom becomes a pretty decent Gundam. But if you wanna put a Cherry On Top, then give the Strike Freedom to someone OTHER than Kira Yamato.

[@StoreWar1]

Ah, thank you Wackymodder84. I wanted to use the Strike Freedom as my base for my protagonist gundam's third upgrade mobile suit in a Gundam Build Fighters fanfic (It was my first Gundam that truly melded me with the Gundam fanbase, so naturally it would be a proper choice for my protagonist) and I figured I might ask you for inspiration.

[@LonggoBonggo]

It's been so long since i first watched this video, and i still agree with how uninspired the destiny gundam is, tho that was mostly a problem during all of destiny. Though destiny gundam's background in universe is genuinely funny, durandal just saying put everything on it and it somehow worked.

[@WackyModder84]

This video's gonna get updated and combined with my Strike Freedom Rant into one longer video in the future. SEED Freedom has my work cut out for me. lmao

[@CoreBlasterNEURALzx0]

Interesting. I never knew that you couldn't clash beam sabers in the cosmic era. 16:02 had me roflol. Also if beam's can't repel each other in the cosmic era, then why was Kira able to deflect beam shots like a Jedi knight in gundam seed when fighting against shani and his trio. Speaking of shani, how do you think his scythe compares to the destiny's aurendite or even deathscythe's beamscythe.

[@WackyModder84]

That's because Beam Rifles and Beam Cannons use a completely different type of Beam Particle than Sabers. Those particles can actually be repelled by Sabers. But Saber Particles cannot repel other Saber Particles. And honestly, Deathscythe's Hell's Beam Scissors is more practical than the Arondight AND the Nidhoggr. The Nidhoggr is at least just a scythe and nothing more. There's nothing really WRONG with it, it's just that the Beam Scissors are a lot more practical because they compensate for the heavy weight of the scythe itself by adding a thruster onto the back of the scythe to help you swing faster with it every time you swing the scythe.

[@tebjosh13]

dude so glad i found your "grinds my gears " rants omg... so funny... using the mlp pics cracks me the f up...:D

[@bnn683]

Awesome,really thought out rant.Day and night in terms of comparison to your previous rant about the gundam.Learned more info about the techs and flaws with the Destiny Gundam that i did not see until now :D well destiny gundam is destiny gundam,past cannot be undone(for now). I've read about Arch Destiny Gundam's specs from somewhere,and i gotta say its an MAJOR improvement(too OP if you will :D).Wish Bandai somehow picks it up and make models of it(with credits to the respective redesigners of course) Respect for speaking/showing the truth :)

[@NERDSGONEBAD]

Hey are you going to do a gundam build fighters video? I would like to see your opinion on it so far

[@WackyModder84]

Why can't I just tell you here? lol Build Fighters, so far, is Fucking Amazing! I hope it stays that way, because at this point in time, the series is absolutely incredible! =D

[@NERDSGONEBAD]

thanks for responding and yeah i agree with you.It really exceeded my expectations as well!

[@youngnino4750]

Rahul Potta Why dont u drink my gundam breh??