My Thoughts on Massive Death Knight Talent Tree Rework...

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[@sodawow1602]

I wish blood dk had swarming mist, fits the blood fantasy so well, visually unreal, and having that instant RP was great. Not that we really played venthyr as dk, it was a really great ability and should be in the game imo

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Agreed.

[@OldManDoom]

As a Frost main who feels like I have been orphaned for nearly 3 full expansions, this doesn’t do much to fix our issues with AoE or have an actually meaningful single target CD to give us a some spec identity. We needed an urgent reworking more than unholy at least

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Well I'm sure its still coming. Are you thinking this is it, and only Unholy gets any spec changes?

[@enzoshink7597]

Frost main since Sl prepatch and we are prob fucked... they classified the class tree as "frost changes" lol... it seems like they only have a dev for unholy and frost+blood its throwed around to whoever has free time.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

@@enzoshink7597Blood DK is going to be the best tank in tww 😂

[@LazyLautrec]

My only major gripe with the changes is the abomb limb bone shield loss and Rune wep. I dont mind they're removed but whats the fun exciting thing that replaces them rather then just nerfing them/ removing them?

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya these are basically just nerfs. We will see how it goes.

[@allste626]

I think they need to (across the board on all classes) reduce the number of abilities/spells and change existing spells to be more interactive/entertaining. There is too much bloat on every class in this game for new players.

[@sodawow1602]

Also do you think blood dk will be possibly having option to duel wielding as they made it possible to put stoneskin gargoyle has become available for 1h weps, is this a hint for blood duel wield? Would be sick lol

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Maybe but I don't see it happening because none of the spells currently work with a one hander. They all scale off a single weapons power so you'd just be doing way less DPS.

[@sodawow1602]

Yeah I figured practically it would be very unlikely, strange to add that enchant to 1h but probably for pvp or something. Thematically would be cool though!

[@Ratzo123ify]

I wonder if, when we get the changes to the Blood tree, we'll get something to offset the nerf to abom limb. Maybe add the old functionality into dancing rune weapon or something like that, or add some other way to generate bone shield charges. My personal pipe dream is that BONESTORM!! (as it should be called) gets a rework and interacts more with the bone shield instead of being a budget version of breath of sindragosa.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I worry it will go the opposite. When they announced they wanted to slim down the flooding of resources I immediately expected them to remove the interact from dancing rune weapon because it seems quite over powered honestly. But they removed it from abom limb which I never expected. But I think if they can make gorefiends easier to pick and make abom apply the damage reduction talent to mobs within 8 yards it can be a net gain. Stay tuned for the next video eventually haha. I'm sure there will be a lot to talk about.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

@@heythereguysitsMetroI’m almost certain abom limb will proc the DR. Also, null magic is just a huge increase in defense.

[@BenJonesart]

pretty lack luster for blood compared to what ive seen for other tank classes. Only thing i really like is sharing AMS with group members to at least immune somethings that really can hurt your group. But, this was all the class tree im sitting back waiting on what they do on the spec tree for blood.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya the spec tree may be huge.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

BDK will be the number 1 tank in tww. It’s very close to VDH right now.

[@BenJonesart]

@@kalasmournrex1470 im not playing this season but from the played numbers in M+ they are still behind VDH, Pal and Druid. Now thats just for numbers being played, not actual capabilities.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

Abom Limb gives a tiny amount of bone shield. Not too worried about it.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

It's not about how much it gives it's about being able to pop with it costing runic power on the first global. Hell even before the first global. Running into a pack with no bone shield and no runic power is what makes blood dk so difficult so the more common they make that the harder the spec becomes to play for new or inexperienced players.

[@LATHSPELL70]

They need to change that node above abom limb to reduce damage taken by a target who is damaged by abom limb - otherwise it’s pretty bad (worse than it already is).

[@LATHSPELL70]

The AMS stuff is like the only cool part. What are they doing??

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Is there any indication it wouldn't work with abom limb? I assume it is, since it just says "grip."

[@LATHSPELL70]

@@heythereguysitsMetro im saying on a boss fight where boss can’t be gripped. Those talents would be useless useless. I’d prefer if they removed those.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@LATHSPELL70 oh ya good point I suppose. Still not often you'd need it on bosses. I think it's a good niche for mythic plus.

[@ThomasBachler01]

​@@heythereguysitsMetro I think this incentives you to needlessly drag the pack to get more grips, which I don't like. Abom was there to get your boneshield going and get the pack gathered. They should just make it that it reduces all damage you take by 8% for 6sec after using any grip. That plays well together with Death's Echo and potentially even Death's Reach, gives Abom again some real defensive value and gives you back that extra layer of DR when you setup a pull (where it is really needed) and doesn't require any awkward play to benefit from it.

[@ThomasBachler01]

I have always disliked Raise Dead there in the class tree. Now with the Frost side being mind freeze + imp mind freeze (Coldthirst) and Blood being death strike and impr death strike, it's time to make the Unholy side death and decay and impr death and decay (cleaving strikes). Switch the position of Brittle with Unholy ground and add the enfeeble+ Sac Pact node below the new brittle position (its both about damage mitigation so it makes sense to be between blood and unholy and having it being a requirement for Death' reach made little sense anyway) and make Raise Dead baseline. Death pact can go under Impr Death Strike or be removed (nobody takes it anyway) and Death's Reach goes where the choice node was - now connected to the new position of unholy ground. That also makes the class tree perfectly symmetrical again.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I like those ideas for sure.

[@walrusdojo]

I haven't seen any TWW dungeon gameplay but I hope there's not a lot of RP/travel. It really sucks to lose bone shield between pulls, especially with our generation getting nerfed like this.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Ya, that's the hardest part for sure. Having to meticulously manage it in between packs is an incredibly high skill floor that no other tank has, to my knowledge.

[@kalasmournrex1470]

The duration of bone shield should be like 1 hour, or heck, infinite. It was 10m back in wotlk (it was also much better in wotlk)

[@Laptican]

An onpopular opinion i would also love is for DH tanks or just tanks in general to actually have an option to gain threat way easier through talents without losing to much survialbility. Whenever i am on my DH and Druid i feel like i'm struggling getting aggro fast because there's always some kind of travel time or something (maybe not on Druid) that makes me not gaining aggro easily. I only played Blood DK the last 4 weeks of Season 3 so i didn't see any huge issues with it but i can probably guess that they can have the same problem. I just feel like tank talents in general is kind of weird regarding threat because you either lose to much damage or to much survivalbility.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Hmm ya that will likely be unpopular haha. Demon Hunter is an incredibly potent AOE damage dealer. I know there are some issues with sigils generating threat though. The key to threat is to be the first one at the pack every time!

[@kalasmournrex1470]

I think the problem you are seeing here is the threat on sigils is bugged. When you pull with a sigil you get zero threat. The threat works fine if you aggro them first. What this often leads to is sigil followed by leap so the leap gets aggro before the sigil goes off.

[@Laptican]

@@kalasmournrex1470 Yea exactly. I just know when you got dps whores like my m+ group then you pretty much have to use sigil to pull but it's also a really bad idea

[@gerasimoskardaras1319]

DK's still are missing the power as dps, lets hope that these changes will not affect the tanking also or we are going to stop playing our character till they fix it. Give mage power to dk's !!

[@Taphosthewarlock]

Pretty sure that unholy has actually been doing very well in aoe dps.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

I certainly won't be stopping playing blood dk. Let's not take it too far.

[@gerasimoskardaras1319]

@@heythereguysitsMetro your are my favorite blood dk! ^^

[@gerasimoskardaras1319]

@@Taphosthewarlock yes my unholy in aoe is doing well

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

@@gerasimoskardaras1319 Thanks for saying that!

[@enzoshink7597]

Idk whats going on with these changes, seems like all of them were very bad (minus the blizz favorites mage priest paladin and aug) frost dk complained about bos and dnd cleaving and they are doubling down on both of them, they basically killed abom limb for all dk specs and for destruction warlock they removed they main cc for m+ and replaced it with a bunch of talents that nobody wanted nobody asked for and nobody likes... + they are doubling down on not making cataclysm baseline. They are literally killing class fantasy. I hope most of this changes dont make it through or i may be out of tww.

[@heythereguysitsMetro]

Probably should "be out" if you are this worked up over class changes in build FOUR of an alpha man. Not healthy.