My *VERY EARLY* Season 1 Marvel Rivals Tier List

[@Techno_Bunny433]

Overwatch players asking for widow to oneshot feels like my alcoholic uncle asking for the car keys

[@ømzyway]

It’s never gonna happen 🤣

[@daytonporter131]

he never asked for this tho?

[@EricLee-q3g]

Might as well give her wall hacks as ult

[@DEML91]

Well as you can see if a sniper character can't oneshot, it becomes basically useless.

[@Techno_Bunny433]

@@DEML91 skill issue, she's like a mini Hela if you play her right, I pop off with Widow

[@astronette500]

they should have part of black widows passive be the ability for her to see who's low enough to oneshot. like a little thing over their head similar to a web cluster or panther dash reset.

[@Zamiel7]

The problem with this passive is that it actually doesn't do anything for mid-high level players. Put any decent time into the character and you will intuitively know who's one-shotable. So while it could be helpful for newer players, you can't balance the game around people that don't know what they're doing.

[@xneticc]

@@Zamiel7how about if she hits a crit, the next shot one shots or if she hits a crit the next shot is better firr rate

[@kikyska4813]

​@@Zamiel7you usually can't see enemy health bars if you haven't damaged them recently so yes this would actually be useful

[@shamefuldisplay9692]

How about just working on the other parts of her kit instead of overloading her weapon.

[@serthiag7373]

​@@shamefuldisplay9692 her kit IS her weapon tho?

[@ROCKEMSOCKEM51]

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[@rafaelramossanchez2970]

Thank u man ❤

[@WesternXC]

When does video start?

[@trentonherman]

@@WesternXC0:00 👍🏻

[@limes0da251]

@trentonherman when is roughly halfway through the video

[@indigo486]

@@limes0da251somewhere between 0:00 and 26:45

[@Higens]

bro u might be the tank goat but u have really have 0 idea about how to tier melee heroes..

[@L2kneel]

I've seen way too many Iron Fist and Magik in high ELO dominate to think they are anything below very good Iron Fist a little more rare to find good ones but Magik is everywhere

[@Higens]

@@L2kneel indeed ironfist dmg s teribble for for fast in and outs but i belive bp and magik is so good wolverine underrated in this list aswell

[@NinjapowerMS]

​@@L2kneel Really? I played like a session last night and only seen like 2 magiks and 0 iron fist I am hovering between diamond 1 and 2.

[@cantu7214]

he’s a Doctor Strange merchant

[@dooderman8361]

He literally said all the characters are good if you know what you’re doing

[@spinyslasher6586]

Squirrel Girl's ult is insane now just by the merit that it forces the enemy to take notice. And since it's homing now you can't really move away and forget about it. The only thing you can do is shoot at it, and that means you're getting distracted for a pretty long time, which is perfect for dive DPS like Psylocke and Black Panther to just end the entire enemy backline. That or it forces enemy Luna to ult, which makes it automatically great.

[@ScxryBerry]

Nah it don’t take that long to kill it I did with like 4 shots with hela it only have like 300 health

[@FelonOW]

yup storm SG and Moon knights ult are much better now

[@TheCrazedLorry98]

Bro squirrel girl is annoying af now haha definitely got stronger

[@HumanitysGrace]

you can legit just jump over her ult mulitple times. the hitbox to it sucks and i wish i jumped lmao but people will hate it more but you can just jump over her ult and just pay attention to the danger sign

[@spinyslasher6586]

@HumanitysGrace again, that's extra attention you have to pay to an ult that also homes in on you repeatedly. Jump over it, attack it, it's all drawing your attention in the end.

[@cuddlybear781]

"You can play any character in this game and all of them are decently good." "There's not a single character you can play right now that is a troll pick." "Black Widow bad. Don't play her. There's no point in playing her"

[@benedri9871]

you can still play her and get value but hawkeye just does her job better

[@paulakroy2635]

@@benedri9871I think you play both for the team up

[@rfewer]

@@paulakroy2635their team up isn’t good enough and when widow sucks so bad it isn’t worth picking just for it

[@lij_on_120fps]

she doesn't count as a character until she one shots

[@hartyewh1]

BW is not even on the list.

[@haydenwilliams458]

I've been Dagger main since the beginning and I can promise, she didn't need any buffs. Now she's crazy! Seriously, learn her. She has crazy utility!

[@Klausbro]

She had a 48% win rate, she was underpowered

[@krystofe8336]

​@@Klausbrowin rate doesn't necessarily mean a weak character. She is i think like the second most played hero in the entire game and low elo players play her because she has auto aim.

[@dtg9k355]

@@Klausbro thats not how that works lol, kiriko also had a negative winrate lmao

[@vokdmso9898]

@@Klausbrolow winrate has to be mostly people who dont know how to play with her. The amount of people that run from healing bubbles and ult puddles for free heals is crazy

[@igohardkoncrete]

I had a 50k heal game with them I LOVE and my girl is white so we really cloak n dagger irl 😂😂😂

[@Senorgato029]

I think Mr.fantastic just needs a little cooldown knowledge, a little math, and good teammate awareness. I don’t think he will be hard meta but he will probably enter good is my prediction

[@Hendrick_G]

Yup, always save one Dash to dash back to a nearby teammate if you start to get blasted, because you both get temporary shields, plus you still generate 30 elasticity with it, you might get a dash back once you turn around and boom, gigaform, timing is important with all meele heroes.

[@akirizan2665]

i think he will be meta he is rly good anti dive and a rly good protecter of teammates basically u can be the glue that let others shine he does not need to be the main character and he can can casually dive the backline in big chungus form he is fun as hell

[@cowpolk5763]

Still does no damage for a Duelist. AND is melee (Even if its a longer range, aoe melee) .That's gonna be a really hard hurdle to overtake. I think he was balanced too much around his tanky form having good damage and lot of hp, but you're so limited like a big slow melee unit with zero mobility or defenses in that form, and you have to waste time transforming back and forth. So yeah, he feels short range, low damage AND clunky. Really bad People are calling him anti-dive but I think his alt fire grab thing is too inconsistent. The latch breaks so easily and quickly the moment someone moves because, for a grab, it barely disables movement in any noticeable way

[@emceehamma3693]

I know nothing of meta, but last night I was playing competitive and my teammates were all talking about how good Mr F is...idk if they meant with a certain comp, but they were all talking about if the person is good; he can be hard to beat

[@justinslogar5770]

If they made his kit flow better he’d be meta but a lot of things lock you into long wonky animations

[@idleeidolon]

I like how his reasoning ranking of Mr Fantastic as bad is purely because people still don't know how to play him yet, and he caveats his rating by saying that the one tricks will probably figure him out in two to three weeks.

[@spinyslasher6586]

People are already figuring out how to play with him. You build about 60-70 elasticity by whacking their tanks, then use right click + E to displace and dive on their backline, go giant mode and whack them till they drop, then E again to escape.

[@ArmedandDangerous918]

i mean there’s no secret mechanic to him. The reason wolverine was underrated because the game did a bad job explaining what he actually does

[@mtk1808]

​@@spinyslasher6586 I have played a lot of Mr. Fantastic and he's not bad at all, you can take out iron man and storm extremely easy or.force them out of the game by making them hide way above ground, also the ULT reflecting thing doesn't work like in the trailers, you don't absorb the ULT, just the damage and your teammates get KO'd, you can bounce it back and one shot tho, also you can one shot punisher, or even if you can't you can reflect his damage and punch him and he's KO'd. Trick is to build elasticity fast, you can do that at spawn by keeping your elasticity as high as 65, after that you right click to get to 95 and once you're within enemy range you can combo for quick swole form, after that you're pretty much unkillable and you can pick off duelist or supports with the occasional KO on overextending tanks, heck you can even 1v1 Thor. Dr. Strange also very easily counterable by just building elasticity since it hits through his shield but your normal AA won't do damage, just in strong form. I got 15 consecutive MVPs in quick play just spamming him.

[@edmuquit8595]

@@spinyslasher6586 I really like your method but I also use another one just to become tank faster. Use E on an ally(elasticity), use mouse 2,1,1 to build even more elasticity(you might also get lucky and pull a squishy or whoever into your backline and explode him) then jump in with E and go tank and leave with shift if you have to. Using that method you can tank up super fast on rotation. I'll be rotating this with yours that you mentioned.

[@spinyslasher6586]

@edmuquit8595 I prefer saving two E charges for getting in and out, plus some other stuff in combat.

[@edomamee]

"You can't two shot people anymore.." Dawg, the nerf was an HP decrease from refreshing dashes, there was no damage nerf. The only reason you don't see anyone popping off with Panther is because Necros is playing Spiderman this patch, wdym.

[@spinyslasher6586]

Also because people started playing as Storm more and Storm hard counters Panther with her auto-locking E.

[@WesternXC]

True, Necros was the only one popping off with Panther in high elos last season.

[@painchaudolivier1257]

Still pretty hard nerfs #BuffBlackPanther

[@ewaysrevenge]

@@spinyslasher6586Storm is a menace and I think she is the type of character I would rather stay bad/niche. She is very annoying in general and counters dive which is one of the most fun and skillfull playstyles

[@Mlyodas]

@@ewaysrevenge dive isnt that good but i think she's in a very good place right now being the main counter to dive, although i would say they need to nerf the shield decay

[@weenewsboy]

As a Blackwidow connoisseur the main thing I want (no please dont give her a oneshot) is an auto shot reload when you use Edge Dancer. That is all thanks.

[@weenewsboy]

That alone would make her so damn strong and also more fluid.

[@weenewsboy]

Shoot into kick into shoot into hook into shoot. So much damage so quick.

[@weenewsboy]

You could then also kick a tank reposition on a squishy then. Shoot into hook into shoot for a quick midrange kill.

[@weenewsboy]

This change alone would make her b tier or higher.

[@treyrichards1244]

@@weenewsboy good idea

[@scarfacex617]

Bro Mr fantastic is not bad in my opinion. It honestly does really depend on the comp that’s played but overall he’s really good for getting the backline. He has great survivability.

[@mtk1808]

I don't think he's meant to take out backline but he's not bad at all, you can go in with your tanks wether they're defensive tanks or diving tanks and you can be the spear to their shield or the shield to their spear and 10/10 times you'll wreck whoever he's in front off, at least for me I have gotten value out of going in with tanks and protecting supports. He doesn't do crazy damage but by using him like that he just dominates by adding up value to the team's performance.

[@LoveMooTender]

IMO it's fine that Black Widow doesn't one shot, the problem is she still gets all the downsides of a one shot character. Her kit is very weirdly thought out, there's a problem with every single thing she have. - The time between her shot is huge, She only has 8 bullets, her hitboxes are very, very strict... Even if you hit your headshots, by the time you can shoot your next bullet the dude probably already got healed enough for you to not kill him with a body shot, if you even have the luxury to shoot 2 bullets to the same guy without getting dived, shot hard enough for you to go to cover or having that guy just dash out of the way. - She has a secondary melee weapon, but what's the use? I don't get it, it will alwayse be better to use the gun and the kick in any situation, you will not outdamage anyone with the batons, I have no idea what is it made for. - Her kick is actually really good now with the range buff, but the follow up is again pretty weird. The ability to stun and aim a free shot is pretty effective in itself, but the delay to use it after the kick is pretty long, and it pulls you in which is not ideal. The main problem being, it's really strong when you are in a pure 1v1 situation against a melee character, but if there's anyone else in the vincinity you will probably die before you do all that, or the guy will get healed. It's really clunky. - The stamina buff is nice but really, why does she even have a stamina bar to being with. Also the maps don't seems to be made with sniping points in mind. There's really not much maps with good sniping places, most of the time your jump doesn't go high enough to access high grounds with it. And there's really not much reasons for it, even when you get to a good sniping place it doesn't give you that much of an advantage. After all even at long ranges you still take a lot of damages by most duelists, and divers can very easilly access your sniping point. Also, the maps never have big open zones, it's very easy to take cover. Tbh most the time you just put youtself in a bad position by being in a place where healers won't pay attention to you. - Her ult is super trash. Like what the fk is this? Why does she have that? At best the slow gives you the time to aim an easy headshot, but why? Every single character can negate it's impact one way or another. It looks like shit, just a weird gooey red stuff, it's doesn't feel good to use, it doesn't do much, it needs charging for whatever reasons, it's small, it does low damage, it's doesn't look cool, it's weak, it's super, ultra trash. The worst in the whole game, it will never in any circumstance make a significant difference. Please give her something else, all the other duelists have something super impactful and flashy, how is it possible for this shit to exist.

[@ryvan3870]

TLDR bad character is bad. Not to much good about bad character.

[@paulakroy2635]

Ultimate is pretty decent now. I will say that if you watch the Asia marvel tournament black widow was actually played in the finals.

[@wsawbi6402]

Her ult now is ok for softening up enemies. Its pretty easy to charge it and fire it now. The big issue I have with it though is that most characters have high mobility and can very easily leave the slow field. I think they should allow it to disable mobility cooldowns

[@theonemica]

@@wsawbi6402 Disabling mobility would be good, I also think another good option would be to prevent anyone in it from being healed. Either or would make it a great ult and boost Widow up a lot.

[@jcgihj1057]

Saying the magik teamup is bad is crazy. Character isn't insanely strong, but her team up is insane

[@lotusluv]

as a psylocke main when i get a magik teamup, im almost never dying

[@spinyslasher6586]

Yeah it's basically a get out of jail free card for Black Panther and Psylocke. It essentially gives them a second escape ability in case their first one fails.

[@k0zar]

It's bad when you consider that the meta is ranged dps. Can you consistently get the same value out of the magic/psylocke combo compared to hella,hawkeye,iron man or punisher.?

[@JaronPalone]

I think it’s good but not great like some other team ups. I play Bp and if I’m constantly using the portals chances are I’m just not diving in at the right time and I got 0 value regardless.

[@jcgihj1057]

​@@k0zar I'll admit that it's not like those teamups, where you just go brrrr, but a pyslocke or black panther can hard commit onto a target and get out for free. If they're any good, it leads to a similar amount of elimnations

[@inaworldfulloftrashbagsbet2023]

You're not seeing heaven with that Mr Fantastic placement. Bro is a beast, he's practically unkillable (plus he's goofy asf(

[@rfewer]

He doesn’t do any damage and literally just survives, I don’t see why you would pick him over a dps who actually has a good offensive kit and a decent ult

[@akirizan2665]

@@rfewer he has good damage in the big form he just is a char with a weird playstyle but he is better at supporting teamates at anti dive

[@BronzeSnack]

@@rfewerif you play him like Bridgette from ow and move your cursor mid swing you can hit 3-6 people at once instead of just one, I’m constantly getting either the most or 2nd to most damage, give him time to set in

[@edmuquit8595]

I'm not sure why people keep saying this. He does decent damage. You can 10-15k in matches, I mean if he got more than that it would make him a little unfair for a tank type. I think its the ultimate that people don't like. With the ultimate one of the best ways to use it is on low ceilings.

[@Voidkom]

@@edmuquit8595 It matters what type of damage you're doing. If you're hitting the pocketed tank all game then you will have high damage stats but the damage you're doing is meaningless. A character like star lord does a lot less total damage but has the ability to get high value. Maybe they're playing him wrong, but Mr Fantastic feels very unimpactful right now, he just exists.

[@nelsongodoy5101]

My main issue with doctor strange is that his shield has literally no opportunity cost. You can decide to block whatever you want and can weave damage while still keeping it up the vast majority of time. Rein was like that in overwatch but he didn't have ranged damage outside of long cool downs. Other tanks have windows of vulnerability that Strange just doesn't

[@Cataphract1236]

That and basically no cooldown on shield regen

[@cowpolk5763]

Yeah but Rein sucked and was bad for the game turning it into rectangle vs rectangle. We shouldnt want heroes balanced around Reinhardt's example

[@zoovaado7759]

@@cowpolk5763huh???? Rein was not bad for the game at all…. What you just said applies to strange as well. You have no idea what you’re talking about

[@nelsongodoy5101]

@@cowpolk5763 Strange is circle vs circle, genius. It's doing the same thing as rein, but also with very lethal ranged damage, so even high level play is not safe from strange. Rein runs overwatch at lower skill levels because the barrier is an easy form of tanking, but he's prevented from being the best tank in the game by being essentially melee only, so he can't get free value while still holding up the shield

[@ayy_its_sid5741]

He has a lot of windows of vulnerability if not then the dps are not focusing him enough, the shield isn’t big and is quite easily burst down with any form of team play.

[@memphisacosta2145]

We need a group up podcast where you guys make a tierlist. I wanna see people with braincells debating meta rather than gooning chatters yapping. It would be fire.

[@thatsoulsguyC]

people sleep on Adam warlock without his team up I think he is in the good tier. He is a hitscan that requires good accuracy to play at a high level. But his abilities have the potential to change the fight when used strategically. He can’t heal as often but his heal does a lot of healing at once. His soul bond can turn a team fight. And his light burst can one shot some dps and support. As well as his team up being one of the best in the game when playing with starlord and or mantis. Not an S tier hero but a good one.

[@jeremyhorner9531]

A tank/DPS line up I've done with some friends is Thor, Captain America, storm and Hela. It's felt so stupid in power

[@BillyBoy1999]

That sounds pretty killer ngl! 💪🏻

[@pixavier9746]

Add Loki to the mix with Hela and another Strategist of your liking and there you go.

[@mtk1808]

​@@pixavier9746 cloak and dagger and you have 3 forms of immortality. I played against a Loki and cloak strategist combo and the immortality was unreal, bubbles and runs everywhere and team couldn't be KO'd, haven't been stomped so hard in my life, our team wasn't even bad, in fact my team was incredibly good but those 2 knowing when to what made the enemy team feel like world champion e-sport players, unreal.

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

I like how the praises for Storm are for things she already had in Season 0.

[@atne3484]

Right😂, people just had no idea how to play her. Her biggest buff for storm players this season was her damage falloff and projectile speed. The shield increase and base damage increase to her primary and right click is nice, but she was definitely still strong before

[@anon2752]

Didnt have crazy damage output before. Also her getting a shield from her ult is a big thing that enable her to stay in a teamfight doing more damage now.

[@sthepcorms6747]

​@@anon2752They literally just add a 5% dmg boost, outside of that, she's just easier to land hits now, everything about her stayed the same

[@anon2752]

@@sthepcorms6747 "literally" buffed damage to her basics, their move speed, and the damage of her lightning bolt. All of these factor into the ease and consistency of her DPS. Again, the shield on her ult staying makes it so she can use her empowered lightning stance and stay in a fights longer, thus doing more damage, aswell. All of the buffs increased her ability to dps. hela lost 25 health and 5% damage and that effected her greatly aswell. Seemingly minor changes can do a lot.

[@Adeon55]

She's good, except she's a squishy that's meant to be near the front / middle of team, that has no escape method outside of her ult.

[@bruhm0ment6000]

My pitch for Thor to be Hulk tier is to first buff his shift. What I mean is when Thor is charging that dash his movement won't be slowed just like how Hulk can walk at normal speed while charging his dash. Thor can also have a 1.5 second CD instead of 2. This is a secret tip for less advanced Thor players, you can spam your skill for every 3 basic attacks, adjusting it to where Thor can use skills every 1.5 seconds or every 2 basic attacks can help him with his mobility and escape after diving in. This third pitch is a bit unnecessary but give Thor a maximum potential health cap of 900/1000, his base health is still 525 but if you play his passive properly, you'll be rewarded with 925 or 1025 health. Thor is a bad vanguard if you are the only vanguard on your team, he can't really jump from front line to back line like Hulk because his Thor force and CD limits his dash. But that's just my game theory as an intermediate Thor main to get him to that Hulk and Strange tier.

[@adamzh]

They should give me him the ability to cancel his hammer throws

[@olofacosta3192]

Hulk is really only at s because of the team ups. Without that, he's just in good.

[@DrgnDrgnn]

the only good thing about hawkeyes explosive arrows is that they break groots walls faster/buildings... etc

[@John-tb5se]

I think the way to fix widow is to buff her melee attack and give her a new cc ability (widow’s bite) so she can better protect herself and the back line. Tbh idk how they didn’t give her widow’s bite as an ability to begin with it’s such an obvious move to give her.

[@Webbsy]

The edge dancer kick has a slight stun but the issue with that is if you have shot and interrupted the rifle cocking with the kick, it will waste it by cocking it after. I kinda feel it should auto reload the rifle after a successful 2 hit combo, shot>kick>grapple>auto reload>shot. But yeah either a cc with batons or even quicker swings would make it more viable

[@matiasblanco2029]

Worst thing is, she sometimes says "Widow's bite!" as a kill voice line, it's depressing lmao

[@202adr]

@@Webbsy You have to Shoot > kick > then cock > shoot > grapple(less reliable on the kill cause you may not get that headshot on the second target) or cock > grapple> shoot.

[@gurifisu98]

the cycling on her rifle needs to be wayyy faster so that way her low damage is somewhat justified. that and if you hit a kick+zipkick it should automatically reset her weapon's ammo, akin to the way bucky works. can't tell you how many times i've hit a shoot>kick>zipkick on someone, getting them down to oneshot and watching them slip away because it takes so damn long for her to cycle the rifle. also want to add that i don't know if it's a skill issue or something but i feel like half the time in the midst of battle when swapping to her batons to get a finish on someone it just straight up doesn't work. like i've either pressed 1 or used scrollwheel to try and switch but the rifle just stays equipped.

[@matiasblanco2029]

@@gurifisu98 Yeah, that happens to me all the time, seems some inputs just get eaten if you press them at certain points. Can't tell you the amount of times I zip kick someone, just to try melee and having the rifle equipped, when I have already pressed the button to switch. It's so clunky

[@cosmicfox5671]

They really need to get rid of the immortality support ults. They're not healthy for the game long term, and you'll never see any sup be better than Luna Snow until her ult is reworked

[@bigbosss7911]

There's other ults that counter her like iron man, scarlet witch, Namor all of those are one shots even in ult. Other ults that can kill her too are punisher, magneto full damage ult, possibly squirrel girl since the damage spikes, and if u run into peni's mines all at once they can still one shot you. Another thing is her ult I don't think works through groot walls, so a good groot can separate her from her team.

[@paulakroy2635]

I disagree. Loki could be just as good if that was the case

[@olofacosta3192]

​@bigbosss7911 iron man? Occasionally but very rarely. Namor? No, very very rare. Magneto? Good luck lol. No matter which way you see it, that ult needs to be NERFED. It's complete BS

[@bigbosss7911]

@olofacosta3192 I played only luna to diamond. I've been killed plenty of times by Namor and iron man ult. Also if you're saying very rare then you're probably at a low rank where people don't change picks to counter. Hell Hawkeye with just his basic attack can one shot luna out of her ult. There only prob with her ult is it lasts too long that's it.

[@lunadead]

@@bigbosss7911 The only thing that I would change was for her ult to be 8sec instead of 12 sec tbh. It's also good that the exploit is patched since it triggers her heal fast than if used normally.

[@niromanti5935]

I agree that Mister Fantastic doesnt feel great rn but he does have potential to be amazing once people figure him out. I think CD knowledge and maximizing your buff form is gonna be super important. I do wish his ulti did more damage though. He kinda blurs the line between duelist and tank so I've been playing him with my friends where I play him with one other tank and it kinda slaps. Last few games ive gotten over 25 elims on him.

[@ryvan3870]

Moonknight is wild atm... Half my games are who has the 50k damage Moonknight. That character is essentially doing double damage to every other character right now. I had multiple 80k healing games vs him yesterday.

[@Phantomboy129]

Problem is he gets damage but no kills. So ends up just being a support ult farm for the enemy team. And he loses every dual he can't get an Anhk out. Which is really easy for a team to focus. If Loki and Namor do become Meta, along with group fighting, I could see MoonKnight becoming a great pick. Until then, other DPS just kill more efficiently.

[@Rey-Rey2077]

@@Phantomboy129 yep also the higher the rank the weaker MK gets. All it takes is one dive dps to tunnel vision him.

[@actonfear]

@@Phantomboy129 groot mk combo just pushes his value 2x higher

[@TideV2]

He’s OP but only in low elo. When people learn to avoid the todem auto-aim he’s almost useless except ult spam.

[@ryvan3870]

I'm not sure where people are seeing these numbers in low ranks. I think I'm like top 3% right now according to the game. I guess only GM or higher are watching these videos :) People also apparently get team mates that will adjust and adapt to the current ranked game and not just play whatever they want. Any single character that forces the other team to adapt and play a certain way or lose is very strong when playing with randoms in ranked.

[@Nazea37]

The tier list is solid but Mr. Fantastic is the type of pick you need to pocket or abuse his stat boost unless there is a hulk team-up in play

[@DEML91]

Namor was only buffed on the team up with Luna, so unless you have a Luna in your team he is the same character as before.

[@Porchungi]

I like Adam a lot cause his heals and damage output are high but I just wish he had some defensive getaway or CC like the other supports, I feel like when I get dove as a support I can try and do something about it but with Adam I just kinda clench my cheeks and hope for the best. I think he’s far too low on the list

[@feuerklinge9004]

21:41 Star-Lord finally is being noticed, He's reched his goal. The Galaxy fears him. xd

[@timbest9662]

I love how storm got so many small changes that changed her from shit to meta

[@JBoehmGames]

As a Rocket player, I feel like Rocket's ult would make a lot more sense and be really nice if it was just a very gentle HoT. Nothing crazy or immortality level, but just maybe as much as his orbs or a bit less (50-70HpS) to anyone tethered in it, and maybe drop the damage boost from 40% to 30% to compensate. I just don't ever feel like I've ever seen a Rocket ult make or break a team fight like almost any other support ult, you know? Loki can copy any other ult so he's versatile, Adam has clutch rez, Luna, Mantis, C+D, and IW are all immortality zones with their own gimmicks, and Jeff can forcibly move an entire team off an objective to clutch in overtime. Rocket's ult just feels...flaccid by comparison. Whenever I pop my ult on Rocket, it never feels like "I am going to save this team fight," it's more like "Well, I got it, might as well use it."

[@Arcullius]

Warlock is far too low

[@minhocho5487]

He said warlock is super strong just that people don't know how to play him.

[@TideV2]

Warlock is a tough one to rank bc his kit is one of the best in the game but his ult is not good compared to Snow, Mantis, Cloak which turn fights. He’s my main carry support and I get mvp at least 50% of wins. And saying he’s not great bc his healing isn’t the best is just a bad take. He’s not a primary healer but pairing him with a Snow or Cloak makes him the best support in the game bc he’s basically Hela light but can also heal the entire team and himself with just 1 click. If he had any movement ability (which he should be able to fly) he’d be the best overall hero in the game.

[@minhocho5487]

@TideV2 he has a unique heal which is an instant huge burst heal for multiple non tanks and I like that about him

[@AridBloom1]

@@TideV2 Indeed, I played Adam a lot during the beta, and he instantly clicked with me. His ultimate is very situational, so you need good awareness to use it effectively, sometimes even preemptively as a deterrent. His healing is quite solid, and you should almost always avoid having both Soul Bond and Life Stream on cooldown at the same time. With well-timed Soul Bond and Life Stream heals, he can easily negate dives and many ultimates. That said, I think Life Stream (Snap Heals) could use a slight buff in restore speed. However, if they ever gave him three snaps, he would likely become instantly S-tier.

[@olofacosta3192]

​@AridBloom1I don't get why the devs were so precautious with Warlocks ult(slow start up, half health, same location) but were so happy to add Luna's ult. Makes no sense

[@corinna-s2h]

A guy on widow blamed me for not making space for him and I'm like do you not hear yourself space for a sniper!!!!!!!!

[@Mondo17]

Adam Warlock always getting a low ball rank is crazy to me, but then again I'm not GM so.

[@Sweedy1]

never thought id see storm in meta

[@Rey-Rey2077]

I remember bronze mfs in the reddit really wanted her to be reworked into a support. "Earth's Mightiest Mutant" and they want her to send lil mf rain clouds to heal people T_T

[@yokumob]

​@Rey-Rey2077 fr Storm deserves to be a dps and a meta one just by being a omega level threat

[@Dat_Boing]

Brother it's been half a season

[@kptmaci4979]

"never thought id see storm in meta" - game is barely out a month. What are you, a toddler, to be speaking in such superlatives in comparision to such little time passed?

[@flygoon420]

It's because of this guy and all the tierlists out there that they overbuffed Storm

[@numb_fps]

YES! ROCKET STILL GOOD! THANK YOU BOGUR! -The Rocket Enthusiast that was in your chat once that you and chat bullied.

[@VoidedMirror]

I think they should shorten Wanda's ult cast time or give her armor while she's doing. She can still be shot out of it, but it'll at least give her a higher than nothing chance to pull it off.

[@Ltcoombs1]

I think the one thing people arent talking about enough with storm is your positioning. Thats one of the key parts of playing her, if you can get that down then your good. Also, it goes without saying but i definitely feel like more so with storm is you have to hit your shots. You need to take advantage of the piercing effect and make sure you hit your bolt rush.

[@SatyricL]

My problem with mantis is that she requires constantly headshotting people to heal half as much as other healers while also having the SLOWEST projectiles. Playing her with even slightly high ping feels like shooting under water.

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

I always notice her healing is lower and I tend to our damage her or barely lower and massively outheal her with c&d

[@calebbaston6527]

Iron fist hate is uncalled for

[@Ne-Vii]

Facts we got to actually box mfs to get kills

[@plebugen9659]

Good keep downplaying magik so they keep buffing her

[@loogiemusmaximusoftides8540]

Mark my words: Invisible Woman will probably be hard meta and be banned as much as Hela and Hawkeye last season when people figure her out

[@ImAviex]

I think a reason to play Venom over Hulk is strictly because of Invisible Woman. His tether ability kind of hard counters her, can't push him off. You can slow him but you can't get away, if you double jump to try and go invis the tether immediately pulls you out of invis. If you don't have teammates or a support who will look at you, it feels terrible where as Hulk I just push him away and jump into invis if he dives me.

[@DannyKim101]

naw what elo are u playing in? as a venom main, sue storm is the bane of venom. her push DOES negate his tether most of the time. in fact, most characters running away undoes his tether so often that i expected it to be buffed and was surprised when it wasnt. venom's main escape option of swinging away can be completely cc'd by a sue push/pull and ur just fcked. trust me when i say hulk prob does way better in that mu then venom does.

[@202adr]

@@DannyKim101 Gotta play both hulk and venom lol and venom goes in first then hulk with bubble that, support can do shit unless they get help.

[@donnjaburn]

21:16 thank you for the squirrel girl appreciation 🙏🏼 she’s been my main since day one. her ability to completely control an area is almost vanguard level in just posing a damage threat not tank the dmg herself… you know what I mean. Plus with a spider man team up, she can basically have a 6 second stun on anyone with like 8 seconds of unlimited ammo. That’s CRAZY. I need people to wake up to my girl please plus after her ult buff gg. 1 pick at LEAST, I usually get about 3-4 each ult if you time it right ;) but yeah that’s all

[@peanutbutterkz]

Cloak n Dagger is definitely meta, especially in Payload. Tanks are almost immortal if they play around CnD. Invisible Woman might be on even ground against CnD kit wise with her E ability.

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

In a 1v1 invis loses if I have bubble though so she can't hold her own crazy good

[@AcuteDBD]

I think when people really start getting good on spiderman, plus maybe some small cooldown buffs, he's gonna be meta with venom

[@TideV2]

Spider-Man is already insane but he’s just super skill check. A good Spider-Man is impossible to deal with, but most suck

[@AcuteDBD]

@@TideV2 If people actually know how to play against spiderman, he can be really bad

[@TideV2]

@@AcuteDBD true but 99% under diamond have no clue what to so for most he’s gonna be good

[@TheCrazedLorry98]

Dunno why they nerfed Spider-Man…his damage was already bad and against an organized team it feels like you can’t do anything. However he SHITS on flyers. You can just camp enemy ironman or storm. Hit ‘em twice with the web slinger, grapple, uppercut it’s goodnight. I always pick him if they got an annoying ironman.

[@evidentlydark]

Editor didn't forget about magneto, Kudos

[@Calhasnopals]

“Then she goes invisible, and she’s a woman” 🔥🔥🔥

[@Blizandrio]

The Storm switch up is CRAZY. Love to see it

[@Phantazmay]

1:40 no! There's ways to make Widow good without making her a oneshot, which should never happen. Buff her close combat abilities. Give her Baton and both her kicks +5 dmg (that's +15 dmg total) and maybe increase her fire rate a bit. She has a cool kit, but not as powerful as the rest.

[@ihatethisgamegaminglivestr3509]

She doesnt have enough mobility to get in and out with a melee so you would have to completely rework her kit to even make her good but then is she even the same character at that point? or just a melee character with a gun

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

Also kick needs a 8-9 second cooldown instead of 15

[@nottoday4195]

"He's a mosquito on steroids that has malaria" Perfect description of starlord

[@Cheasle2]

1:13 they didn't nerf Panther's damage at all ? lol ?

[@gravynavy516]

The worst thing about cloak and dagger is how fast they get ult and how broken it is, legit gets ult in like 30 seconds

[@memoriilanes]

its balanced out by how clueless teammates are and actively avoid their ult puddles

[@lunadead]

And in most elos, your teammate will still get out of the ult anyways even with the 4th dash

[@gravynavy516]

@@memoriilanes below gold maybe but in my games this never happens

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

@@memoriilanesgenuinley. Dude my team never fuckin plays my ult. In high ranks with the top 2 console c&d their team phenomenally play in their uot and walk in immediately

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

@@gravynavy516even in mid plat some people still avoid itnpike the plauge

[@MC-ns8gb]

Moon knight ult is actually solid against invis woman, it does like 1400 damage total and affects a good chunk of her ult so you can definitely snag a kill or make it difficult for her team to take advantage of the ult

[@Almtyhalfbreed]

Black widows gun needs faster rechambering. Faster melee speed. Team up abilities with all Avengers. Hulk: Gamma shots, Cap. America: 2 Ult Charges. Ironman: Her Ult becomes a plasma beam(keeps the slow effects)

[@watnoisy1995]

Cloak honestly is so good. She gets ult way faster than any supp. Luna being the second fastest getting ult but now with the buff she can do so much

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

The veil of lightforce can make you go from 50% to 100% in literally less than 20 seconds

[@DieHard1912]

cap is great now, was a lord doc main, now been giving cap his run... Must say this dudes survivability is INSANE held a single point in overtime running around till jeff got back to swallow every one up, was an insane round/match. Storm was always good, just now hitting people far away mainly the flyers feel more consistent, Hawkeye 2nd arrow is not bad🤔have to use it when people are grouped up and low, pretty much a cleanup tool for low health players, also great for hitting the back line when they got like 3 healers make them focus on each other

[@EclipsaEldrich]

Warlock has the highest win rate of any strategist at top levels, why is he always so low on tierlists?

[@nickkelly2191]

Because if you aren't good at using his ult, you're way better off going mantis, Luna or C&D for support ults

[@sthepcorms6747]

Winrates doesn't work like that, they're percentual, which means that even though his winrates are high, they are only driving it with the amount of people playing him to begin with

[@lunadead]

1.) His winrate is high due to team up with Mantis and Starlord, 2.) His healing is nice but limited, 3.) His revive is not to full health so it's also another situational ult and 4.) 0 mobility and having to burn down his only source of healing if dived is really bad.

[@TideV2]

@ yeah he'd be better if they swapped the self res for dashes that allow him to fly (hes adam fkin warlock). but reality is his survivability is also really high as long as hes close to team so giving him more movement would make him too busted. You dont need to escape with him bc he can actually out dmg many divers especially if you spend a cooldown. But his movement speed is too low theres no reason he should be slower than every tank in the game.... the slow march back to the fight really is the worst part about him.

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

@@sthepcorms6747and since he has such a high skill ceiling of success in comparison to other supports there's alot less people playing. People don't realize Win rates mean nothing usually

[@tindekappa9047]

For what it's worth if you have a Storm around Black Widow all game, she just one shots every squishy and gets like 20 kills. Verry rare because no one play either, but I've seen it happen.

[@skyz6708]

Fun fact, Magik has the best DPS win rate in GM and above. Peni also has a better win rate than, Magneto, Captain America, Groot, Venom and Thor in GM and above.

[@XTOPHER__]

As a diamond namor main, squirrel girl and moon night have been rolling me

[@apple-de8tx]

Feel like tank players should have the most accurate tier lists since they usually have the least deaths and can see more of what's going on in the fight

[@Me_When_A_Funny]

Man. The Venom buffs made me so happy, an ult+cellular corrosion combo one shot 250 hp. Then I ran my first few matches against sue storm and already realized my fate.. High Elo Groot Peni Namor Reed Luna Sue My character with a third of my total playtime of 100 hours. Is fully unplayable against the anti-dive setup.

[@dino_on_yt]

I’m a rocket main and if you know how to use your beacons and are teamed up with Bucky or punisher and spam heal and pick off the kids who are low you can easily be the number one support in the lobby

[@IAmGeorgeLucas]

Facts. It’s easier to do some damage now that his heals are buffed as well. Just got 17 elims with 40k heals in a game

[@matiasblanco2029]

That's the thing though, you gotta work your ass off with him. Like dude said, having one less support ult feels really impactful, and it sucks most of the time. But Rocket's still pretty good, just demands a lot, a LOT from the player to keep up.

[@mistersquirtl4532]

8:16 I think you should look at the data break down because he is the DPS with the second highest win rate in Grandmaster and above😂

[@XLR8-ASAP]

can't two shot on bp?? they changed his shield not his dmg?

[@t3chn0bl0ck4]

Don’t worry Bogur, after I finish this video I’m going to tell all my friends how correct the list is. Just like you said to do 😁👍

[@Anonymous9989]

Dude ur right squirrel girl meta even pre patch, she’s one of my mains with starlord. Super underrated and already seeing a lot more squirrel girls. That being said, this is a nut season Edit: screw stretchy meat stick, gets into tank mode fast af and is annoying as hell, idk tho im only in diamond

[@itzzzRAMPAGE]

I think magnito needs a small speed buff. There’s so many times a stagger could be prevented if I was able to get back a bit faster. I can stay alive long enough for the stagger to engage lol

[@big_smokes_house6085]

Adam is better than this tier list suggests.

[@Sensationalcomedian]

He got the selfheal with the abilities, yes. But the ult can be easily countered and he can die because of non capability of movement which makes him easier to take on unfortunately

[@big_smokes_house6085]

@Sensationalcomedian He's definitely better than Rocket though.

[@crppledizzle9374]

​@@Sensationalcomedian adam is only bad when bad players use him, he's cracked if you know how to actually time the ult and soulbond shenanigans

[@KakeKira]

adam is terrible when it comes to attacks .but his healing is op

[@ADL1]

​@@KakeKira are you perchance mentally impaired?

[@Calhoon4U]

Bro I've been playing fantastic. He's the anti dive character. I pick him over Namor now. He locks on with his E and pulls into them, so you can pop to back line really quick. It's all about timing maximus mode lol

[@angiegamez8600]

15:57 Bogur out of context, you're welcome

[@Osok865]

I don’t know why I watch these tier list. Lord knows I’m gonna play punisher and Loki every game in ranked lol

[@stormer452]

Black Panther is at least on par with Psylocke he’s the best melee hero in the game.

[@danielw8776]

Peni in decent tier is crazy. She has a stun on a 3 second cooldown...

[@slump8665]

Yeah shes annoying as tits, but like she just falls over if we just shoot her for free. She literally cant take any space, except for minefield, and when thats down is just target practice

[@EvilMagnitude]

She also has a garbage ultimate, no built in dmg mitigation button, and no seasonal +100-150HP. Stun is very good but as a whole she’s still well behind the best tanks, who are just generally good as opposed to being good in specific circumstances. She is being carried right now by the fact that even good players don’t understand how not to die to mines

[@slump8665]

@@danielw8776 bro where my comment go

[@peanutbutterkz]

She is good up until Diamond. In Diamond, people starts counter playing her so as Peni main, you either push your brain into overdrive being super mobile with the nest or get countered easily. If the enemy team made it their job to destroy your nest first thing constantly, Peni not gonna do anything big value. She depends on team synergy way more than other tanks, if your DPS arent hitting, then Peni is going to have a hard time.

[@brendan8637]

@@EvilMagnitudeI use her ult for pushing them back or even run into the healers with it, I’m gm solo a peni and the worst is playing a peni with good heals

[@Rydlan]

For Black Widow, just reduce charge time on her gun to .75 or .50 IF she lands headshots, that way she can consistently kill enemies and is rewarded for landing harder shots.

[@Rydlan]

Also LET HER RELOAD WHILST SPRINTING

[@greekgodelvin1745]

I think everyone will get a different perspective when it comes to tier lists honestly. Usually when a hero starts clicking and enough people play them correctly is when people change their opinion. Like I’m a Spidey main and most spidey mains agree he is decent when pinning him against the meta especially after his recent under the radar nerf. However, since I know how to play him I climb very easily and shut down “meta” picks like Storm and Ironman very easily and Hela is way easier to dive with her being squishy as well as hawkeye feeling a lot more vulnerable to dive since his charge take longer. I would honestly rank Spiderman as good if you go against a one trick but if you have a team of one trick counters like Namor then he probably would fall off hard. I want to also address Mr. Fantastic and Black Widow the most. Mr. Fantastic to make long story short is actually insane at stalling time, 1v1’s, and displacing enemies with his grab. I have even gotten very good ults but using his team up and going chungus right before popping it to make it very hard to kill me and people underestimate the damage if you land 6 bounces cause by the time you reach 6 they used up all their cooldowns and are low enough to finish off. Usually I just wait for a perfect time like when they overextended or are running away and I can get picks with the ult and bonus if you do it under a low ceiling. Besides that he can juggle cooldowns to stay alive basically forever until his team dies and go chungus like every 10 seconds. Once people click how his playstyle is then I can see him dominating Black Widow is actually an under the radar pick right now. Most people forget you can begin to one shot after being damage boosted but also with her buffs to mobility and ult she can actually have more of a presence in game, plus her close range one shot combo is stronger now. We never see Black Widows popping off cause most of the people playing her are bad, like I’m surprised no csgo vets or anything are playing her but I did see one gm Black Widow pop up in my feed and she was dominating her games and the funny thing was people always underestimated her by complaining about the Black Widow pick in chat but then got humbled later when she was soloing team fights. So I think people need to remember black widow with aim is nasty cause most people seem to not even react to getting shot by her since they assume they won’t get one shotted in the next second. I’m also pretty sure her no scope shots is supposed to be a shotgun but even if I’m wrong you can still easily hit no scope shots up close so we just lack a good amount of one trick black widows. Bonus discussion: Rocket got buffed and it seems to be under the radar cause his heals feel nice since they buffed and his team up has more up time so rocket bucky should be more powerful especially since Bucky got his survivability buffed. Scarlett feels like a more annoying mosquito now cause you have less time to fuck up killing her since her damage was buffed. My last bonus is Namor had no reason to get gigabuffed like he did. They reward the most easiest autoaim free kill playstyle for simply landing a few headshots from time to time plus the turrets are constantly buffed by luna which I think the team up may have been buffed but either way woohoo to buffing the degenerate sea breather who’s down bad for Sue🙃

[@CL1KERZ]

They should either give widow a follow up potential to get that one shot combo OR give the sniper a non aoe explosive that will do like 20 dmg after 4 seconds of being hit so you have 4 secs to receive healing or you die.. I hate snipers so I’d be more than happy if they didn’t add these but they probs will buff her like crazy

[@BlvckFox420]

Im glad my main storm is finally getting appreciated 👍🏿

[@sisterdwight9176]

i wanna state that iron man and hulk duo que, i did that exact same thing where we duoed and just won, i got to master so damn easy and continued to do so after hulk started getting mass banned, no one ever looks at him on time in low elo

[@Mellosii]

Finally! Someone sees the vision with Storm. She’s BEEN good and highly slept on!

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

She's been eh. A few people made her look really good without a ton of skill and people didn't know how to counter her

[@sephzera]

THE THING WILL TAKE OVER

[@kptmaci4979]

Cmon, putting Reed in "bad" is not fair xd Even as an "early" prediction just because not many people got a hang around him

[@ozylocz4078]

Streamers are something else, man. “He keeps trying so hard to ragebait, such boring bait” Yet falls for it every time and even says he’s “so annoying” lmao

[@AlexisMarino-v2i]

For the love of God if you play groot learn how to place your walls without walling off heros like, Hulk, from getting back to your team! Creating a labyrinth for captain America to return home from the war and half the time he's not gonna make it

[@EvilMagnitude]

There is also a special place in hell for Groot players who accidentally destroy their Peni teammate’s spider nest because they aren’t paying attention to what they’re doing with their walls lol

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

@@EvilMagnitudeor block their in their healers as they are getting dived and trying to run away

[@Dramox.]

Is Loki + Starlord good picks to main? Im just installing the game now. Wanting to reach high rank as fast as possible. I usually only play characters that has the highest potential of outplaying enemies with high apm.

[@olofacosta3192]

Yes. Both are very good. Although Loki requires a lot of skill

[@tannerkennedy4192]

Putting magik in b tier is crazy cause I seen a lot of magkis put in a lot of work and I’m pretty sure she has the second highest win rate in the game in season 0 right below hulk who had the highest winrate but the thing is alot of why hulk had a big winrate is cause of iron man… magik is just insanely good and she got buffed too

[@gbsquid4919]

Do you think they will ever give Black Widow the ability to one shot because personally i dont think they will it kinda seems like they are trying to stay away from the idea of a one shot hit scan character

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

Hawkeyes 1 shot was to far that's why they lowered the charge distance. He was very unfair before

[@skyfeelan]

this is honestly the best MR s1 tier list so far just 1 small tip, group the heroes by role please, it's what separate average tier list maker and the top makers (KarQ and Flats)

[@iceveracity8221]

My duo currently 1 tricks fantastic while I’m 1 tricking Thor and we’re currently top 60 leaderboard just cooking every game fantastic dmg is wild

[@faithou7859]

Maybe i just havent played enough but idk if iron man should be considered meta, obv with the gamma team up hes insane, but if you just ban hulk theres not really much he can do otherwise. His primary fire doesn't do a lot of damage even with the E ability active and both his secondary fire and ult are too clunky to oppress matches the same way he does with hulk team up. At least from my experience of playing with him

[@bleh491]

What’s crazy about C&D now that I haven’t heard anyone mention is if you overlap her ultis 4 dashes and stand inside it, punisher ulti cannot kill you. He does what… something like 800 dps? That’s absurd healing not even Luna or mantis can save anyone from. The puddles don’t last as long as punisher ulti tho.

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

Not 800 no. Before when it was 3 you could stack dashes and survive 3 punisher ults at the same time

[@SilverDrgn14]

The reason Strange is just so much better is because he is the only tank with a big reliable shield. He can block everything and no other tank can do that as easily. Also portals are great

[@fungling7982]

I believe in high elo Strange and Magneto's blocking ability evens out a bit since they are better at destroyinf Strange's shield quickly

[@SilverDrgn14]

@@fungling7982 I agree until you have strange jump and block a full hela or starlord ult. Its the lack of delay and size of the shield and mobility that gives Strange the edge for me. The bubble on Magneto is insane though.

[@CYWNightmare]

The best thing they can do to black widow is either slow the rate of fire and add a slower hawkeye charge up that loses charge quick if you arent on a target. Or get rid of the bolt action for a dmr and let her spam shots. Her ult is alright id rather see her plasma left over do massive damage then a massive slow more similar to torb ult.

[@Khan-_-Art1st]

Why do people say Mr. Fantastic can't do damage? He's a group attacker and if managing his Elasticity well you can really pop off and kill multiple people without ever ulting. As for his Ult yes it seems lackluster but I see it as a stall/setup ultimate and if you go tank beforehand you retain the shields during it. Idk maybe I'm tripping

[@olofacosta3192]

His ult objectively sucks ass. But overall, he's solid. Just situational. Reed is pretty much an offtank. Perfect for 1-3-2 comps. But apart from that? Idk. If it's 2-2-2, it seems better to play another hero

[@viciouzkid69]

mr fantastic def deserves more love. i do alot of damage with him. and i use his super as more of a distraction to help my teammeates get more licks in. i like him a lot

[@grayayakashi5978]

How about just reducing the amount of time she is chambering rounds? She doesnt need a damage buff for snipe. People already only use her sniper and none of the rest of her kit. Maybe have it chamber a new round after so long of using tonfas.

[@GrandBBQCheeseenjoyer]

Starlord just plays like Tracer and i love it