Remarkable Paper Pro: Subjective Take and Experience After 3 Weeks Using It Daily

[@gee7092]

Very unbiased review. The main reason why people watch this channel.

[@UncarvedBloke]

I prefer biased reviews / 😅

[@ryanmcgeorge5390]

When I first received my RMPP I strongly considered sending it back. The writing feel is a lot different to my RM2. But, after hours of testing and writing with the various pen types and thicknesses, I have settled on using the medium fine liner. The writing feel is excellent and precise. So much so that using the RM2 stylus now feels like writing with a felt tip pen on plastic. It’s soft and squishy. Not bad but it doesn’t to me feel like writing on paper like with the RMPP. As others have commented, writing with the RMPP is like writing with a ballpoint pen on a single sheet of paper, with nothing underneath to soften it. The flickering and feel of the stylus as it touches the screen are complete non-issues for me. I only use colour sparingly but it enhances my experience. I don’t notice the tapping that bothers you. For my workflow, I outline and brainstorm my novels on the RMPP. The colour highlighter works great at adding a splash of colour to chapter headings, allowing me to quickly locate a section. I use the text conversion tool to convert my handwriting, which I then email to myself, then continue working on my novel on my iPad or laptop. It isn’t a cheap device but it is luxuriously built, does what I want it to do, is enjoyable to use, and costs less than half what my iPhone costs! I could get away with using any crappy old phone but my RMPP is quickly becoming an essential tool I use every day.

[@waterguyroks]

Not sure if you've already done something like this, but I would be curious to see a "day in the life" video where you run through the devices you use in a given day and how you leverage their features for note-taking or other uses

[@rodnet6020]

In first instance I was very excited about the RMPP. Larger screensize, more storagespace, a front light and a faster processor were all on my wishlist for a RM2 successor. But now the dust of the announcement has settled I have gone through my many old notebooks and concluded that I only take black & white notes (mostly client and candidate interviews and some business plan annotations), have never needed colors and am quite satisfied with the writing feel and the organizational capacities of my RM2. So I am gonna give the RMPP a miss and soldier on with my trusted RM2 which in itself really changed my notetaking experience in a very positive way. Thanks for the extensive work you put in your reviews! Much appreciated!

[@alankim4989]

It sounds like you have concluded that RM2 is enough for your needs rather than using very expensive and luxurious device with colors. You conclusion is very similar to mine even though I can not buy RMPP yet. I watched many reviews and also check many comments regarding the experience of RMPP, and then I can say that at the end, RMPP seems like the device for someone else. As this video highlighted that one of missing feature that genuinely I would expect from this kind expensive device is critical. Lack of searching capability comparing with other e ink note taking device is really a downside of Remarkable team. But, I still hope that RM team will get it done sooner or later.. so I can reconsider all about RMPP, so I gonna have this one at the end..

[@TheRealTommyR]

what note taking device searches better? i am genuinely interested. it wasn’t said in this video.

[@MrKlawUK]

@@TheRealTommyRsupernote and boox. Supernote you can search handwritten text (if you set up a notebook to be searchable) without converting in advance; search by tags; search by headings; search by star (simple specific tag). Its the one thing making me wonder about RM2 - planners like this channels mostly cover 90% of my expected use, but lack of being able to search has me hesitating

[@mrkiddos999]

I have been a supernote fan girl since 2020. Prior to my E ink transition, I used a lot of color for very specific reasons. I have been missing it ever since. I jumped on the RMPP and I’ve been so glad I did. It makes my work so pleasurable to be able to use color again. I didn’t use a lot of of the search and link features in supernote, so it wasn’t a big loss. The desktop application is far superior for my use as well. I’m really happy with my decision. The bigger size was just a bonus. I didn’t know I wanted.

[@AmbientClassical]

I absolutely LOVE my RMPP. I think it's the best purchase I've maybe ever made.

[@--chris--]

Your last question about the need for color should be the question a potential customer should first ask. I wanted 3 things: big (at least 11”), color, frontlight. RMPP is perfect for these needs and i don’t think Boox and others will come out with anything similar any time soon (they will stick with inferior Kaleido). Specifically, color is essential for me as an academic who color codes his readings.

[@havis2009]

@--chris-- the color coding is key for me as well. The lack of color display on rM2 did not suit my reading style for academic work. Even though i could annotate in color i would have to go to my phone or laptop to have an indepth view of annotations.

[@johnsch8634]

They might be influenced to join after seeing this success.

[@p6till8s]

As an Architect, Designer and Photographer an E-Ink Device works only as a substitute for paper and pencil. In every other case my iPad or Computer is superior for me. I use my RM2 for about 2 years now and it works really well for my use cases aside my iPad and computer. Sometimes when I’m sketching it would be helpful to have a bigger workspace and some basic colours. I wish remarkable could make real grayscale colours from light to dark for the RM2. So I will probably try the RMPP

[@jensmander4137]

What a great, super relatable perspective! Thank you very much, Voja. I will follow some advice, test the flickering as well as the hard, first contact of the pen. Really, really helpful.

[@timothycollinson]

Went from rM1 to 2 to PP. You nail the uses perfectly, but for me, reading a lot of A4 role-playing books in colour a no-brainer. (The larger screen and the colour are perfect here). You're right about the 'hardness' of the writing experience and that's one disappointing change from the 2 but notna dealbreaker to send it back. The flickering I didnt even see after about day 2. (And I probabky only 'saw' it all because you and Kit had mentioned it was such a Thing.) Its not perfect (I agree on links/bookmarks) but it does what I want: notetaking, MDO, ebook reading, sketching and RPG game books. I won't be sending it back.

[@michalvavrinec9227]

How would you compare the reading of role-playing books on RM2 and PP? I am thinking about the device just for this reason (DnD, CoC...). If it's worth to go for PP or if some 10.3 black and white device is enough?

[@timothycollinson]

@@michalvavrinec9227 I read RPG books (Traveller for the win!) on the rM2, but the text was just too small and I'd spend my time expanding it and then navigating round the (usually) 2 column layout. Bit awkward, bit doable and got me away from back-lit screens. With the PP that's all gone and even with these aging eyes, I can read an A4 book without having to enlarge. And of course you get the colour which isn't absolutely critical (except maybe on some diagrams or maps) but it is lovely and lets you enjoy (quite expensive) books more fully. Not.to mention I could take an entire library with me to TravCon the weekend before last (just in case you want to look something up!) And could also use my custom template game record sheets to take notes during games. I could do the latter on the rM2 of course but the larger screen means easier note taking. The other nice thing in rulebooks is that you can swipe right (or left) and have a good margin to add annotations to rules or pointers to other relevant rules and so on. Or just add an extra blank page! (Although again, something you can do on the rM2). But it's much neater than a rulebook littered with post its. Hope that helps.

[@timothycollinson]

@@michalvavrinec9227 I thought I'd replied, but now I can't see it, so my apologies if you're read similar before. rM2 could just about handle A4 game books but I found I was zooming in and scrolling round 2 column layout. rPP lets me read a full page and of course adds the colour. The latter isn't critical except on some diagrams and maps, but does give a better experiemce of (expensive) game books. (Also like being able to use margins to add annotations or references or just add additional pages)

[@corwin-7365]

@@michalvavrinec9227 I concur with the size comment. A standard approx A4 RPG game book with a normal amount of margins shows on the Pro screen without zooming. Color is nice but probably only necessary if showing a player a color illustration, or reading an example (such as in game rules) or graph where the color of tokens or graph traces is important. I do think I would like a future software update to include a monochrome/color toggle for use when you want to speedily flick through pages (and would like fast & gray versus slower and color), as opposed to occasional color page flips.

[@michalvavrinec9227]

@@corwin-7365 @timothycollinson Thanks, I'll definitely try to check it. I'll wait for the review for Boox Note Max, that might be also a good device for this usecase.

[@TimothyWilson-b9n]

I appreciate your in-depth reviews of the Remarkable Paper Pro. I've been considering purchasing one, but you asked how this device would fit my needs and use. Truthfully, I wished my RM2 had the Remarkable Paper Pro front light; color is not anything I need, as I used my RM2 primarily for journaling, thought catchers, outlines, and very preliminary article drafts. So, at the moment, I will stay with my RM2, but I am confident that the folks over at Remarkable will be considering your reviews and will act on your recommendations.

[@firstfifteendigitsofpi]

Remarkable is not just ambivalent. It's like a borderline relationship-love it or hate it, there's nothing in between. I still have my Remarkable 2 and am currently testing the Paper Pro. It’s been tumultuous for me from the beginning; despite buying and using other devices, I still hold onto my RM2. I’m not sure if my love-hate story will continue with the Paper Pro, but I’ll give it a try.

[@AnkushNarula]

I've been watching your channel on and off for many years - my budget cannot withstand your compelling salesmanship!

[@jalzur]

Great video. I appreciate the time and effort you use to produce this review. Thank you for the video, for including a note for the continuous pages feature and keep up the great work!

[@Shoebutie]

Interesting new perspectives I’ve not seen before. Well done

[@WaskiSquirrel]

I decided to wait a month to buy this. I almost didn't. But now that I have it, there was some awkwardness at first, but I've come to really like it, so the point that I'm going to give my RM2 to my brother. The flickering didn't bother me, but that is a personal preference. Writing a colored line was like using a fountain pen: it goes down wet and takes time to dry. I am using this daily at work. In one of my major use cases, teaching, the color is very nice. I was using it a little before with the RM2, but now it's more visible to me, and diagrams and charts are so much easier to make. I'm not regretting this at all. I'm also finding it handy for tracing pictures and art: I can lay the paper right on the tablet, trace on the paper, and have it on my tablet. My own two concerns are the stylus tip and organization. With the RM2 I did once drop the stylus tip first. With no spare tips at work, I could harvest one from my Wacom Intuos tablet. With this new tablet, I will need to keep a spare tip at work because it's not universal. And I also have started collecting a lot of articles and documents. I need better organization because it's not searchable like a product such as Evernote.

[@Vortexstreet]

I choose the RMPP mainly because of the 11.8 inch screen. It is just perfect size for my own taste. When RMPP wasn't released, I had the RM2 but I was constantly looking for bigger screen e-ink. There isn't much option for screen size bigger than 10.3 inch. Other than the screen size, I have no particular affections on RMPP. There are no deal breakers either so I kept my RMPP.

[@youngeebs]

Great video. Appreciate the time and sincerity you put into producing this useful unbiased review

[@Zwiesel66]

I really appreciate your very analytical and honest reviews. For me personally, I have come to the conclusion that I don't really need colour (even so I like it) for my use case and I only use it very rarely. As a user of a Boox Air 3C, I simply have disadvantages due to the colour, e.g. battery life, which is much more important to me for use than colour. But as you rightly say, the initial euphoria can often tempt you into making the wrong decision 😉

[@carlosalvarez-cascos5922]

Hi Voja! great review Thanks! I am RM2 user since Jan 2021, and really changed my habits in the best way! I was really looking forward to get the new RMPP as an improved update. Also because unexpectedly my RM2 suddenly died... lots of lines appeared on the screen and I could not use it any more... without any accident but... it was the only bad thing I can say about RM2. It was our of warranty and Remarkable offered my to buy a refurbished one at a special price, which I did. Now I have both RM2 and RMPP. I am quite deceived by the RMPP, I expected improvements, not just color, that it was not a driver for me. I do not use it much... but color works fine for me. My biggest complains are: the writing feeling is not as paper like as the RM2, it is harder... and really make me prefer RM2 all the time. I would say that if they did a RM2 XL (same size as the RMPP) it would be my choice. You did not mentioned, but for me the extra weight an thinkness of the RMPP, are a negative fact. I like taking it with me everywhere and it is 30% more and I feel it. And really the main reason that I do not send it back is that I love the new screen size ! I hope it helps someone, but I think this time RM2 is better option for most people I know. Regards!

[@BrandonKBoswell]

I completely agree about the sensation when the nib hits the tablet, feels closer to the iPad's tapping on glass sensation. Frame pacing is also very inconsistent when changing pages.

[@firstfifteendigitsofpi]

That’s exactly what I’ve noticed too. It’s a strange feeling, but it reminds me of writing with a high-quality ink pen on the finest paper.

[@lockespencer7345]

I use the rMPro colour features as a scientist and academic. It is very handy for viewing academic papers and technical reports with colour figures. It is also useful in marking up academic and technical reports (e.g., peer review of papers and grant proposals, evaluating student papers and reports). While the rM2 colour export features were handy, actual colour is very useful to me. That said, the biggest plus for me is in fact the screen size and larger storage capacity. The colour is nice but less of a priority for my use.

[@sombody88]

The lack of software features is really bringing down the excellent hardware of the remarkable paper pro. If there was a hyperlink or search feature, page flipping in the notebooks wouldn't be such an issue. I do love the 11.8 screen size of the RMPP as it is closest to an A4 letting me read without too much zooming in and out. MDO is also much easier to use on a bigger screen. It is truly a shame that implementation of useful features causes some aspect of the device to be a distraction. File extension support could also be improved.

[@MC-ov8dr]

Great review. I love my RMPP coming from years of being an RM2 user, however I understand your complaints. The software is starting to get to be a bit TOO restrictive and they need to pick up the pace on development. I want a type folio, but not without better word processing features. I want to use it as an e-reader, but page/chapter selection is really clunky in textbooks compared to a Kindle. The proprietary pen and nibs are a shame, since there's no alternative and the new nibs wear down faster than the old ones.

[@rickboyes3577]

Love the RMPP, the flickering and initial tap on writing don't bother me. It's much better than the RM2 which I returned due to the poor quality of the rendered writing and generally slow performance. I was using an iPad Pro for the last few years but since I got the RMPP I haven't gone back. Also tried Boox note Air 3c but just couldn't get on with it, cant even have all your documents (notebooks/pdfs) in the same place which is a killer for me.

[@PedroCarvas]

How does the latency of the RMPP compares to the iPad Pro?

[@gracecar5820]

I love it. I use the colour more than I thought I personally only wanted the writing experience with the light. But the colour massively helps. So much better than kindle scribe.

[@Change-1820]

I really enjoy your journey with this tablet. You are the primary reason I decided on the Supernote because you ask the right questions. reMarkable was a close second. I have never gotten excited about color really because I personally don't have a need or a want for that. Thanks again for this review and all you do to help others make informed decisions.

[@yihanzhang2094]

Hi. I'm a rM 1 owner. I waited so many years because I always wanted a larger device. On a 10.3 inch tablet I had to zoom to take notes on an A4-sized pdf. I'm considering taking a trip to Hong Kong to pickup a paper pro, but just as you said in the video, rM's system doesn't have support for organizing a ton of articles for my PhD thesis. I'm afraid it would end up collecting dust.

[@andrewlonghofer]

There is one key component that you left out of your decision tree that absolutely makes the upgrade from rM2 worth it for me: the front light. Colors are nice, but they’re not make-or-break for me. But I *frequently* want to work in dim/low light, especially in the evening, and even though there are external book lights that I have tried with the rM2, I have never been happy with the options available-no way to clip them onto the device in a way that was comfortable. When combined with the larger size of the screen, this is absolutely worth it for me. But I think the premise of asking about “needs” is flawed-there’s nothing about either device that’s a need. They’re nifty, they solve the ubiquity and backup problem of paper, but they’re definitely “nice to have” devices rather than needed ones.

[@MyDeepGuide]

I disagree about the needs statement, as needs are individual and subjective. It's completely normal that my needs will not fit your needs and that neither of our needs may be someone else's needs. In this video, I was talking about my own individual needs, as the alternative for me would be going back to the mountains of notebooks, that I used to have, before I started using ePaper devices. So it is very much a need, in my specific case. For example, today, in the first 4 hours of the morning, I already have 17 pages of written content on my Go 10.3 that I am constantly referring to and using throughout the course of the work day, and it will only grow even further throughout the day, as the systems that I am programming at the moment are somewhat complex. And as you can see, I favor a non-frontlit device, as the front light is not one of my needs. I would point your attention to the actual title of the video, as that would be a rather important aspect of understanding the point of the video.

[@Lifetimehappy24]

I have a kindle scribble and I like it BUT I believe REMPP with color and less distractions is another option for me so I bought one. Still didn’t start using. Will see if I will keep it. Thank you for your review!🙏

[@MattStadler]

Hi Voya, would love to hear what your own preferred e-ink daily driver is given the use cases you mention.

[@BelovedDefender]

Great observations and explanation of your thoughts as always. Thank you for taking the time to put these together for us!

[@esthereley6808]

I’m really liking your subjective videos. This told me what I really wanted to know about the rM Paper Pro. Real-life experience is so much more interesting and revealing of a device. I’ve not adopted colour e-ink notebook devices yet as I find limitation increases creativity. I’m loving my Supernote Nomad because it has the functions that are really useful. Making headings and table of contents out of my writing is something I delight in every time I use it. However, I do like e-ink colour when it comes to e-readers for colour coding highlights on novels - I have the Kobo Libra Colour, and have just ordered the Kindle Colorsoft.

[@stevemcclure2879]

Thanks, again, for the great content. I trust your reviews and feel like you do a great and balanced job :) I have an older reMarkable and use it for writing only along with my iPad. I love the reMarkable feel but it really falls apart if you wonder away from the included templates or more then just basic writing or as a planner.

[@Xingqiwu387]

Another great review from Voija! Thank you for this very detailed review of your own personal experience with the newest Remarkable. When I was considering the device for myself, I kept asking myself the same question: do I really need color for anything? And like Voija, my answer too was No. I'm happy with the Supernote Nomad, but am eagerly awaiting for the bigger A5X2 or even the A4. Supernote, are you listening? What I really want is a Daylight D1 MONITOR! i have 4 e-ink notebooks already, but I'd like to have an eye-friendly monitor. I don't care for the Mira and certainly not the Dasung. Thank you again, My Deep Guide for this excellent review.

[@pontusbolander7011]

Thanks for the great content. Nope I am most likely not gonna keep the remarkable paper pro even though it feels like a superb quality product. What is your device recommendation to get linked notes and better planning/calendar? Wait for Supernote A5X2? Cons: No built in calendar No linking in notes No bigger canvas / larger templates No auto synchronization to third party (like google drive... manual file transfer WTF?) Subscription model when the product is expensive as fk. Battery Life is 2 days with medium use in workday. Nowhere near 2 weeks. Whitebalance tints between bluish pinkish from top to bottom with backlight Quality of tip and contact with surface is slippery Software is bare minimum ... Pros: Format is great Pen weight feels awesome Colors look good Love the pen tools The remarkable app is great and synchronizes very good

[@em4me-Dan]

🙋‍♂Hi Voja! A very clear and consise review.👍 Though I was really looking forward to getting a reMarkable device the lack of Android capatability was a no-go for me but still had some hope of using and purchasing this device the reMarkable Paper Pro. So, thank you for this review as the blinking and the way it handles colors it is not a good choice for me. Kudos from NYC. 🗽

[@sophiebellais2378]

I have the tab c mini and don't use the colors that much but I like the idea. So I wanted soo much the Rm pro but after listening to a bunch of reviews I know that I prefer a boox for work and leisure and I am waiting for a go 10 color....

[@praetorh]

So for me, the click of the pen is a non issue. It does not bother me at all, in fact it is not noticeable. I have a very specific use case for which the remarkable works well, due to the size and the colours. I reas a lot of TTRPG books. Most of these contains colour content. I do not want to read this on active screens, therefore eink is a prerequisite. Importing these (physical) books to South Africa costs me an arm an a leg, to the extent that it would take me less than 10 books to more than cover my purchase cost. Trying to read these tomes on a 10.3" kaleido 3 device ended with a constant battle between setting to reflow to get to a readable text size and back to full page to read tables and enjoy the pictures. And really to get ghosting free page turns, kaleido 3 need to do a page refresh, so six of the one and half a dozen of the other... the only instance where the flicker started to annoy me was while reading an Astrix comic. The scans were just to icky to be able to read a single page at once, thereby causing me to go to landscape mode an a lot more screen changes.

[@ambhat3953]

Thnx for saving my money

[@afekhar]

"The option to not use the scrolling in notebook pages" 8:21 ...oh I feel your pain right there...constantly happening and so frustrating...I really cannot understand why they don't add such a feature.

[@afekhar]

By the way I'm one of the early adopters of Rm2 and this is because of one of your reviews.

[@garryholmberg6502]

I love my RM2. But there are many times where the lack of color is an obstacle. Where reading PDF documents the lack of color makes it impossible to ingest the document with the ease the writer intended (color graphs, tables, highlighted text, etc). When marking up PDFs with my RM2, I can choose different color pens, but I don't get visual confirmation of which pen I am using. I constantly have to check the pen color to make sure I am using the color intended. The larger screen will be a great help as in order to make the PDF fit the RM2 I have shrink everything making the text harder to read. I am fine with the tagging of pages to find all notes related to a particular project or subject, or to indicate a page has something I need to do. I can't search handwritten notes on paper so it was expected, at least to me, that I would not be able to search my handwriting. Especially with my lousy penmanship. Half the time I am not even sure what I wrote/meant:)! I will give the Paper Pro a try after the New Year. Remarkable offers a 100 day trial, no questions asked. The Paper Pro will either fit my working style or it won't. If it doesn't I will simply return it and stick with my RM2, which I still love after more than a year of use. I actually, love it more:)!

[@Free-Palestine-260]

Honestly, there was a time when I could get hyped about a paper-like device. Now however, I collect good fountain pens and write on actual paper. Far more enjoyable. My Botox device is now only an e reader.

[@AndreaGangemi]

Looks like a very high end device but to me the fact that uses a proprietary active pen combined with the high price are big cons. I also have some concerns about the "clackiness" and for this reason I should definitely try it before spending such amount of money.

[@Morteza-hp9li]

Great, honest review. Thanks.

[@hanideal3394]

Great review, thank you Voja! My killer use case: reading and note taking on technical and academic materials, many of which involve color diagrams and charts where colors of different series for example are indistinguishable in black and white. NO OTHER E-INK DEVICE COMPARES. You need the true color, and you need the larger screen size, and you need the note taking and tagging, all embedded into the document. Can any other devices do that combination? No, not today.

[@hanideal3394]

And for what it's worth, here is my subjective experience of the writing feel: I really enjoy it overall. For some reason the tapping did not bother me at all, but I can understand that some ppl might find it distracting. We know how we are: when we're trying to avoid noticing something we end up noticing it :-). I understand Voja's comment about writing colors in the notebooks. I sparingly use colors, if you overuse there will be a lot of refreshing as he explained. But I like a little color and it's not too detrimental IMHO if carefully used.

[@Ed14h]

For me honestly the addition of color is a downside. I don't think the flickering would bother me, but I'd rather have my e-ink device be black and white - and as black possible and as white as possible. Color is not necessary for my work and in fact can be a bit of a distraction. I use a different device currently but have been considering switching to Remarkable. If RM3 had been black and white I might have gone for it, but this color device does not seem worth it if you don't care about the color.

[@HH-os7zh]

I'm happy with my Boox Go 10.3, it has replaced my RM2. No need to spend 700.00 on a device, that I don't need color for. I'll save my money.

[@amywon4794]

I highly recommend testing the device yourself and not let yourself be swayed by this video alone because it is extremely subjective. I was very very bothered by the color flickering on the first day and was so dismayed by my reaction to it because color is important for my use. I toughed it out for A DAY and got over it pretty much in 2 days. MDG's opinion on it being highly distracting and offputting is his experience, it might not apply to everyone. I thought I would never get pass it. I was wrong and can never go back to black and white now. Also the writing feel is superior to rM2 and yes I also got over the clacky sound. I loved paper sound immediately though. So don't take anyone's word for it. Try it for yourself.

[@MyDeepGuide]

So let me just get this straight, the video titled "Subjective take and experience", where I explicitly say is my subjective take and that the objective view is already covered in the in-depth review video I did, you criticize as being subjective? That is just beyond ridiculous 😁

[@amywon4794]

Not critizing your take, just offering my experience and confirming that it IS subjective because my experience is not only different but that I had to try it to find out. You did ask us to share what our experiences were like and because mine was initially so negative, I felt it important to point out that anyone interested should really test it out for themselves. Lots of people really take your opinion seriously - I see it all over Reddit - so they could be missing out if they just accepted your view (even if you said it's subjective) without giving the Pro a test run.

[@SimonGreenwood-n5i]

just like writing in a notebook colour is useful for separation of ideas doodling architecture diagrams with separate colours for different products etc just like you would normally or on a whiteboard . also I can now doodle watercolor pictures when I'm in the wrong meeting :) came form RM2 and tried switching to Boox Note 3C but couldn't get on with its clumsy workflow / usability

[@stratosg9899]

Even Voja's "subjective"-titled reviews are full of science. That's why I watched this till the end, even if I am not interested in buying the device.

[@allochi]

GOLD again Voya, thanks, same conclusions I have on the platform limitation, colors is nice to have but not essential, and for drawing I prefer iPad, the Pro flickering I can't live with. the only advantage it has is 11" screen and it's not even 300PPI.

[@mctog1]

Your comment at 13:50 "inability to easily find previously written content / what I'm looking for" was why I gave up on the e-ink platform altogether. I tried the Nomad... is there another that has near book-like efficiency and feel of flipping through pages?

[@GaryOliver-my3pp]

I would like to add two more limitations: (1) the date and time function is UTC and there is no local time and date display/info (2) the lack of any improvement of the "desktop" screen where folders and notebooks are listed

[@NizoniWulf-mz9ss]

Great review as always! For me I was in buyer's remorse before I received my RPP due to all the negative reviews. I gave it a try. As of yesterday, I decided I'm keeping it. I use it for work, taking notes, keeping organized, carrying all my reference documents. I use a lot of color, constant pen color changes, highlighting, and marker color section breaks. How I organize my work notes, I don't need to worry about text searching. The search function in the pdfs, and in my notes already is fine though could be better. The flickering doesn't bother me, as much as you apparently, and the tapping sound when writing lessened. It seemed to have a break in period like the Nomad's writing feel.. I use MDO to organize my activities. In fact, the other day when I looked back at my MDO month calendar, I was surprised at how much color I had on it. So for my use case, or however my particular RPP is working,... this is a keeper. Build quality is great, so I'm feeling RPP will last a long time. That said, I've used Supernote Nomad and A5X (personal) and Boox TUC (formerly used for work, but gifted to a co-worker going back to school). I don't think the supernote or the RPP would have been right for me when I was a student. I probably would have gone for the Boox TUC pro so that I could type, use google play apps, have extensive search capabilities and text recognition.... oh, those were the days of so much need lol.

[@Michael-Nerd]

I wanna say...in my professional use of it...I could have done without the colour. It's a nice feature and from my point of view it works well. But I used he rM2 for almost 4 years and the only thing that was a bit annoying was its rather flow interface. As a personal fan of the rM2 I always wished for a colour screen without really really needing it (more ppi and performance would have been almost preferable). But as soon as they announced the Paper Pro, I was onboard. More because I wanted it and not because I needed it. Still, I'm happy with the new one. And the "clacking" on the first Pen touch only became an issue once you pointed it out 😂 I guess, if I ever stop thinking of it again it wouldn't really bother me. Also, the screen flickering, I really don't mind at all. My first ereader was one of the early Kindles....and I think back than the early eInk was much more annoying than this. Overall, I'm quite happy...and it's still a major feature for me NOT to be connected with this device to anything like apps or further features. I use it as a notebook and light sketching tool. And I love the screen

[@erikjohnson9112]

To me I don’t feel the harsh initial contact of pen (like you would get on an iPad Pro with Apple Pencil). Instead it almost seemed like a plastic screen even though I know it is glass. I wonder if there is some variance in styluses? I am using the Plus model (as you probably are), so if there is a variance, it would be from slight manufacturing differences? It is obviously personal preference, but I find the RPP interaction to (pen to surface) to be the best I have experienced on E-Ink. This is my first reMarkable product, and most of my devices are Boox. I really appreciate the in depth study you do for your reviews!

[@kw4358]

Great video BTW. Like all of yours anyway.

[@alcampbell5831]

Thanks for this review, it has validated my decision to not get one. I so wanted to get a Paper Pro to try the Gallery, but try as I might, I couldn't come up with any use for it. The complications of connectivity would be one of the biggest issues. It has a USB port, but access by a web page? Too annoying. On the topic of colour my use case for work is making notes on black-and-white PDF plans. Grey-scale on a BOOX Tab X is OK and I do that a lot, but colour is useful. I recently got a BOOX Note Air 3 C and that is very nice for that use case. Being able to use a few colours for notes mean that I am not trying to pick some fine variance in grey. I'm not worried that the colours aren't vivid or accurate, but that green or reddish-brown of Kaleido 3 contrasts with black obviously. So for me, a few poor colours is better than grey-scale. Interestingly, I now prefer reading black and white documents, in for instance the Kindle app on Kaleido 3 rather than a black and white device. Maybe it's just the better resolution of the newer screen? When writing on the Paper Pro, I suspect the delay before changing to the final colour would be annoying when trying to write quickly and may break my concentration. The other issue I have with the Paper Pro is that it isn't quite big enough for my work use-case. I did try the 10.1" Air 3 C for a work job, but there was just too much panning around a large plan. I went back to my trusty 13.3" Tab X. What would be ideal for me would be a Kaleido 3 in 13.3" running open Android. With the flood of 10.1" devices in the last year, I'm starting to suspect no one will ever make a Kaleido 3 in 13.3". Thank once again for all your reviews. I have bought too many e-ink devices over the last couple of years and didn't need a devie I couldn't find a use for.

[@TheRealTommyR]

Now that Remarkable came out with a 12 inch screen that works for most PDFs and lots of people, I bet Boox will respond with something at some point and maybe Supernote subsequently.

[@Aaliyashi]

This might be a cheeky question, but I'm wondering what actually is the real "purpose" of these e-ink note taking devices? I have tried, but it seemed to me to just be a slower, more cumbersome way of doing and handling notes, compared to using a laptop and/or an ipad with a pen and magic keyboard (with some matte textured screen protector, naturally, even though I know it's not the same). So kind of a luxury thing you can do for fun, if you can afford being less efficient. But there's four scenarios I can understand.. 1. You've always been taking notes on paper since you were a kid, so you just want to keep doing that with some added digital advantages. 2. You just really enjoy using these devices and have fun with them, so you don't mind the efficiency hit. 3. You feel like you get distracted using a laptop or regular tablet, so it helps you a lot to have a more focused device (probably goes particularly for the remarkables). 4. You want to limit your glowy screen time, so you want to use alternatives as much as possible; paper, e-ink etc. But what I mean is just that if I were to go to the manager of some average intellectual job, and say "Can I have a reMarkable Paper Pro to do my work? My performance is probably going to tank, but it feels nice! Plus my eyes will feel better and I won't get distracted.", that's probably not going to fly, because he's going to tell me to just turn down the brightness of my screen, quit trolling social media on my work computer and do nice recreational stuff that feels good when I get home from work instead. So I'm just looking for arguments here 😄

[@MyDeepGuide]

For me it's the point number 1. Don't get me wrong, I have been building my own computers from individual components since 1996 and I absolutely enjoy the cutting edge technology devices, however, for work and especially problem solving, absolutely nothing can be a substitute (for me) to the act of writing down your own thoughts. As my work basically consists out of 90% problem solving and coming up with creative and new solutions to a problem, I find myself handwriting on a daily basis most of the time and I used to basically have tons of notebooks before the emergence of the Remarkable 1. Since then, these devices have replaced all of my notebooks and are used as digital notebooks. I have tried using an iPad, an OLED Android tablet, Microsoft Surface and a Lenovo Yoga laptop computer as substitutes for handwriting, but on all of those devices, the act of handwriting is so off-putting, disconnected and frankly terrible, that I simply can't use them for my needs. Yes, I can technically write something on the screen and it will appear, but I lose the main point of writing, which is, putting down my thoughts, as the very act of writing on a device like that will get my thoughts pulled in a lot of different directions, simply because the writing is that bad. When using ePaper devices, I am looking for a device that will get me the best combination of compromises between an excellent non-distracting act of writing on it, and modern day organizational and comfort of life functionalities. As for why the act of writing is so important to me, can't I just type out my thoughts on a computer and have the same result? Well no, because I have a profound disconnect between what I see on the screen and what my fingers are doing. When writing, I physically see my thoughts come to life from the tip of the pen that becomes simply an imbedded extension of my hand and body. The act of writing also takes time, and during that time I am forced to form my thoughts so that I can try and have a continuous flow of writing. For me, I find that the acts of writing out thoughts and typing out thoughts are wholly different, and both have their applications and advantages in different situations. It just happens so that the majority of the situations that I find myself in benefit from the act of writing, not typing :)

[@Aaliyashi]

@@MyDeepGuide Oh I see! That's interesting, I never really thought of it like that. It makes sense though, maybe I should try doing some hand-writing problem solving - with a piece of papers for starters lol, and see how that works out. Thanks for detailed explaination :)

[@JoeBrigAI]

I hope the RM3 will go back to the core purpose of the original product. I returned the Pro, as the tapping sound and poor black ink contrast was not for me.

[@torejorgensen5344]

The hardware I think is 8/10 (9/10 in reality, but one extra point withdrawn for not enabling the bluetooth that is there, and reducing the max light to half the intensity of what the hardware supports): I think they should have given it 4 GB RAM since 2 GB has to be a tight fit in some circumstances, and maybe a slightly faster processor would have been good for the unit as well. Except for that, the hardware is excellent, and I love the screen size. For pdf reading and annotating, I think the software is 8/10. I don't really miss anything, but I think a dictionary function should be available for the times when you stumble across a word you don't quite know. I am sure there are other functions as well that would have been nice, but RMPP is really good for reading and annotating pdf documents (and the screen size, colours and light is good features for this use case). For note taking I would give it a 5/10. It has the basics, but I miss the Supernote's title and link functionality. I also think it should have fill (to fill in colours in shapes if you draw schematics), and shape libraries (preferably user defined) would be nice as well. It would also be nice if they let you draw in colour without doing the update after each stroke, but wait until you chose to do a manual refresh. Having a colour that resembled the correct one would be enough while working on the page. For using pdf as an organiser or other such work flow, it would also be nice if it would work with pdf forms so you could add real check boxes and use the Type Folio to fill in text fields. For using it as a typewriter with the Type Folio I would give it a 4/10. It lacks a lot of functionality (like a normal indentation function - the tab key only works for adding a sub level on lists and it doesn't even support many levels in the lists, and it also lacks a lot of characters). I would love for reMarkable to add a simple editor with the normal basic editor functionality in addition to that typewriter/drawing-solution they have now. As it is, I think I will still use it during summer to sit outside in the sun and write in Markdown syntax, but that is in spite of the software rather than because of it. What I really would like them to do was open the platform up a bit. Make an SDK and include some kind of launcher so that it would be possible to add user created software without having to hack the platform. I don't believe that will happen, but I will keep an eye on what people do about making hacks for it.

[@LeoMan-h3h]

Having watched this, I think I'll stick with my Remarkable 2.

[@kurtharris7015]

Granted I use ONLY the premium pen with the Remarkable Paper Pro, I have zero issues with the noise/re-coil noise of the pen/pen tip. I wonder if that is limited to the cheaper grey marker? I have two RPP "premium" pens.. and both are flawless. Regarding flickering, I like it.. I find it "charming" as part of the color eink experience. I also have the RM2 and love that thing too. Thanks for the great reviews!

[@stefanogalioni-kp3dg]

No is not. I have the marker plus and is equally annoying. The clap clap noise of the tip is really there and the magnitude depends how you are used to write. Under some circumstances and particular angle can be a bit less annoying but under some other circumstances could be really annoying. All of that could be easily avoided for people that are annoyed by using a different stylus. But now we need to beg remarkable to make soft tips.

[@rubenbierinckx6158]

Very insightful as usual! I couldn't help but wonder though which e-ink device currently meets your own needs best. Because for note taking, I think our interests somewhat align. I think that for note taking this isn't the device for me, but I am actually interested in it for reading comics or graphic novels with high quality graphics. Do you think it is suitable for that? I think I can accept the compromise of having the flickering. I also just wanted to add that I'm using my current note taking e-ink device a lot to practice writing characters in Chinese, without having to waste tons of real paper. I think the clacking sound would drive me crazy since in each character there are a lot of strokes and each stroke means lifting the pen up and putting it back down. So for that use case I'll definitely stick to my current device. And lastly, I think I actually would find it helpful to be able to use different colours while taking notes. The colour quality however wouldn't be as important to me then. It should stick out though for high lighting, but it wouldn't have to be very true or well calibrated. I do would like to be able to flip through the notes at a more consistent speed. Is there a color e-ink note taking device that you could recommend me?

[@buttonmasher2277]

Thanks Voja! Will you possibly be updating the MDO pdfs for the higher resolution of the RMPP and maybe with a bit of color?

[@averyswellidea]

I take all of my paper notes with a Zebra F-301 Blue ball point pen on white paper that I have specially printed with an engineering border to aid in managing documentation. I love that I am able to customize my RM2 with a template that matches my preferred paper solution (by hacking, of course). I would buy a blue ink RM2 if it existed. I'm not ready to even consider the amazing RMPP until I can add my own templates. But I do see a possible future for it in my workflow. I plan to seek out a store where I can try the feel of the pen before buying but the description you gave seems like it would be suitable for me as I feel the RM2 is too soft to the touch. It would be really helpful if you could show an example of a notebook with all of the notes taken in one color (other than black) so we could see latency in writing, refresh when turning pages and flicker. This is the way I would use it the most. I'm also wondering if you can set and forget the color or if it needs to be set for each notebook, each page, or each time you change back to the pen tool. Great review!!

[@alex-r-t]

Would using the two-finger swipe up from the bottom to quickly navigate through past pages be enough to ameliorate the refresh problem when going to past pages, or do you need to see the full-size page to be sure you're going where you want to? Thanks again for sharing your valuable perspective and taking the time document all this!

[@anuragsaini3067]

What could be other options I can compare RMPP with? I am comparing work Viwoods Aipaper and so far RMPP is better experience in terms of writing. What other devices for note taking, and planning can out perform RMPP?

[@filiepgeeraert8301]

I am mostly interested in the technology aspect of the screen technology. Do you (Voya) think that this new improved Gallery 3 could be successfully used in an e-reader-only type of device, such as a Kobo or Boox device? With all the flickering it seems that it would not be possible to use it with most Android applications, so for a Boox tablet it seems inappropriate, but for an e-reader, I suppose if you want better colour quality you would be able to get by with the flickering. You have ample experience with many of these devices, so I wonder what you think about this.

[@tyncam24]

I just purchased a RMPP and do agree with many of your observations. What are you considering or currently using in addition to the RMPP?

[@davidrussell9662]

Remarkable Paper Pro. Even with paper and pen do most people you run about with 4 different colour pens. No. Most of us are happy with 1 black pen and a bit of paper (and maybe 1 highlighter). This can be done on a monochrome e-ink device. Colour is not really that useful for most use cases and it has too many drawbacks presently. Most people can do everything they need to on a regular monochrome ereader with better battery life etc. KISS it (Keep It Simple Stupid to maximise workflow).

[@gwojcieszczuk]

For me, ability to use colors, is a game changer when it comes to note taking (applying different formatting styles/colors, etc.). I also like bigger size; very useful in reading technical documentation. I'm pretty sure that remarkable will improve, over time, UI and performance on this device.

[@evilphuk]

Got it and only used it for one day and returned it. Reverting back to basic functions of the remarkable platform I couldn't conform. I enjoy having features for organization and it reminded me why I enjoy other devices that are not remarkable.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

They keep doing it, so close but this time they have gone even further away from something remarkable. rM2 had very few flaws, this has more features but then also more flaws. And with that price it's stopping many from getting it already. Similar to how I still haven't upgraded my Oculus Rift because nobody is making one without compromises. I need something to be a full upgrade. And with this I would not be able to handle all the issues even if I could justify the price, and I don't feel a strong need for color and sees the size as a downgrade. And like you mentioned, even if you do want color then the color becomes a problem for many... so it becomes moot. I don't get why they don't actually care to make it remarkable. It doesn't need much to be that.

[@tobefree3718]

The company that has remarkable marketing does it again with an unremarkable product

[@matteofogliata21]

Great infos, thanks Voja! One question.. you reported some slowdowns in the notes app when colors are used. Recently i've started drawing on my boox note air 2 plus, and as soon as you start add fine details, the boox note app slowdown considerably. What happens in this regard on the remarkable paper pro? Especially with colors, because they are an interesting addition for who loves sketching on these devices. Thanks!

[@corwin-7365]

The Remarkable uses vectors, so "filling" an area could actually consist of a hundred thick lines drawn back and forward. I'd expect that to slow down the rendering but it doesn't seem to. It looks to me like the device is rendering the vectors to an internal color bitmap buffer (fast - even for several hundred lines) and the viewing delay comes from driving the eink display itself. Black is rendered in a single pass, while color display involves several flashes as it drives the different colored particles in the eink capsules. A very quick test came out at 0.75 seconds to display a black page and 1.5 seconds to drive a color page.

[@Unknownbx11]

I have been using remarkable 2 for 4 years and with extended usage time sometimes for 8 hours a day. I always wanted colors, it helps me with designing abstract ideas and I am seriously spending an hour a week going through reviews and their website since their launch It’s a matter of time to buy it. I have a question please: The first pen to surface contact sound is like clicking? I am asking this as I work in an office and I write a lot, would it be annoying to others around me? Specially with those who are special sound sensitive?

[@corwin-7365]

There is some youtube videos that demonstrate it. I tend to find that I just hold the pen closer to the screen when starting a stroke and it doesn't make that much noise. Try picking up a pencil and write on a table top. That is sort of what it sounds like.

[@liketheduck]

I want a linux based tablet so badly. Remarkable, *fix these software issues* !!

[@BerhaneTesfu]

Hi Brother I have Viwood E reade could you please help me how to use. Thank you

[@5idi]

Oh, thank you for the text clarity on the latency table! It's been a struggle on many previous videos. 3:05 Blue on yellow, I just can't. Couldn't they do it brown on yellow? I use a black and white device. The only use for colors for me would be highlighting or writing in different colors to quickly see the right note. If it's not performing well in notebooks, then it's an impressive gimmick, but not a tool. For my use, color accuracy isn't important.

[@larrymarso4492]

the cat is on the roof.

[@Rez-N-8]

One important feature that you didn’t mention is the software experience on mobile and desktop. This is a very important feature IMO. Compared to BOOX devices remarkable is much better.

[@nikkisue611]

Is the supernote the only e ink device that has links, header and keyword features for organizational tools?

[@corwin-7365]

Depends how many users poke Remarkable for those features using the Wishlist submission! ;-)

[@jakeham4017]

My reason to upgrade to rmpp from rm2 is the front light

[@exittimebx]

Do you hear coil whine sound when refresh the screen?

[@sherrywang6230]

I got RMPP for the screen size for academic reading, because Boox Tab X seems to be an old device and there’s nothing else in the market with a big screen. So far love the screen size, ok with writing experience, don’t care much about the color, and hated the reading experience… would really love suggestions for alternatives

[@chris38663]

Like you said, basically the Tab X. I'd bet though that Boox releases something new in the 13" size soon, maybe a 13" GO like device or maybe a Tab X with a Kaleido screen.

[@jorgerojas977]

My use case for color; hope it helps. For me the two drivers to finally consider upgrading from reMarkable 2 were the frontlight ( without increasing the distance from pen to ink) and the colors. For note taking the experience for me is basically comparable to rM2 and not worth the upgrade on it’s own. The game changer is the color screen. I keep my textbooks in PDF format and to be able to move from my iPad to the rMPP is huge. rM2 was not an option because colors in the figures it a basic need. The frontlight I missed on the rM2 and to be able to continue reading and annotating in low light also makes it all worth it for me. Nib hardness is definitely a thing but not as annoying as I thought it would be. Now if I could only find a way to get Nat Geo in PDF format 🙂

[@xrphqlic9763]

I would prefert a larger screen, when reading notes and music-notes. Color would be nice in classes and in thought map, it would be nice in class whery you need to draw in colour (like anatomy).

[@lucashalt7791]

I am missing a mass export.

[@harewoodm]

I have comics that are larger than 100MB. Is there any way to get them onto my Paperpro? I hope so. I bought them without knowing about size restrictions. Even using USB hasn't helped.

[@MyDeepGuide]

As long as they are in the supported format, you can normally use the desktop app to synchronize it to your device.

[@harewoodm]

@@MyDeepGuide Thank you for responding. I will keep trying then. They are PDFs. I have tried through Google Drive as well and I have no clue how to get it to work. I get an error message. Thank you again for your help, your videos and your planner.

[@harewoodm]

@@MyDeepGuide I am chatting with their tech team right now. They are saying 100MB is the max. I love the device but 100MB for a colour device like this?!?!? I am not sure what to do. Have you tried importing larger files? (bigger than 100MB)

[@corwin-7365]

@@harewoodm how weird they put a hard limit! 😞

[@harewoodm]

@@corwin-7365 I chatted with them and they flat out told me about the 100MB limit. They also said I could try the desktop app anyway. So between the desktop app and Google Drive integration, I finally got files on my device. It took many attempts and the whole weekend to figure it out.

[@kieranmandell1890]

Will you be doing a similar review of the Viwoods AI Paper Pro?

[@MyDeepGuide]

I've already done a comprehensive in-depth review of the AI Paper tablet. AI Paper Pro doesn't exist. If you mean if I'll do a subjective look at the AI Paper, well maybe if there is interest for it.

[@kieranmandell1890]

@@MyDeepGuide Apologies, yes I mean the AI Paper tablet now that it has been released - it would be great to have a similar video for that device 😃

[@liketheduck]

The software neglect is intense. No epubs reading unimproved. Flickering/loading that should be avoided. And not having a global search/ocr of handwriting is crazy in 2024.

[@MrWh4327782]

After watched the launch event for paper pro, I think I'm agree with the product manager's view. It is a good product, after give up one note as my note system. Remarkable system is actually very good, just handy enough to keep everything simple.

[@baltgames1]

Does frontlight have pvm flickering?

[@MyDeepGuide]

I tried a high speed footage test and it revealed no flickering.

[@chao.m]

Excellent review, thank you. I value your subjective opinions much more than a bunch of objective facts. Overall, after all these reviews over the last few years, my impression about reMarkable is that it is a company that is not ready for prime time at all. Its product refresh cycle is way too slow, and its product line and roadmap is patchy and conceptually incomplete. It has a few devout fans but it is not even close to Boox in terms of completeness of vision and ability to execute. Where is, for instance, the real replacement to the reMarkable 2, after all these years? This Paper Pro isn’t

[@carlosauza1087]

Do you use a screen protector for it ?

[@MyDeepGuide]

No.

[@carlosauza1087]

@MyDeepGuide is it useful if you have one?

[@MyDeepGuide]

No, as it will worsen everything about the device, screen related.

[@hr1100]

So sad to hear about locked down platforms, the lag, and having to avoid color due to subpar performance. I was so close to purchasing this, but apparently it's not worth it at all. These companies and their locked down platforms... why do they have to learn the hard way.

[@stefanogalioni-kp3dg]

Easy answer. Once you experience colour you cannot go back. Even this colour with all the limitations. Is like from a colour tv going to black and white. I will only mention to cases among many others. 1) yellow highlighting, you really cannot compare that with the grey highlighting of black and white devices I will throw up…2) scientific textbooks with diagram that you need to understand what line is what. Actually, I was teaching math my students with colours is one of the basic tools to teach math to kids as well. So actually I do not get the point why you surprised that people want colour very much. Can you imagine a black and white iPad for example? Maybe you need to look the videos of Artellico for an explanation of these concepts.

[@MyDeepGuide]

Who was surprised by people wanting colors? It sounds like you may have gotten something mixed up here.

[@stefanogalioni-kp3dg]

@MyDeepGuide I thought you are asking why we need colour. May I ask please do you think that in 10 years this question can be relevant? When probably all eink devices will be colour? Can someone ask if we need or want a colour tv instead of a black and white? The only reason that people settle with black and white is because of the no wide availability of reliable colour devices. We should revisit this question in 10 years time.

[@hanideal3394]

@@MyDeepGuide it was your subjective view for your situation, I fully understood (That said, I’m surprised you are not reading a lot of technical material with color content Voja, but that’s another topic). @stefanogalioni-kp3dg your second use case is that you need to read scientific and technical textbooks like me. One of the biggest user bases of these devices are academic users, which is why it’s surprising we don’t get to see reviews that focus properly on one of the top 2-3 use cases for study, aside from perhaps Artellico who recently focuses on this.

[@MyDeepGuide]

No, I asked if the RmPP users feel that the addition of color was something that the Remarkable ecosystem was missing.

[@stefanogalioni-kp3dg]

@MyDeepGuide remarkable users uses remarkable tablets which are eink devices that so far was black and white only. Is not far-fetched for someone to interpret your question in that way. Honestly speaking, if the colouring technology doesn't deriorate previous aspects of the device and costs a fortune, I can not see someone to say no thanks:" I do need colour at all, is completely redundant". Colour is good from educational point of view this is how encouraged to teach maths and how you enhance the learning abilities of the kids. A proper colour device with a plastic screen to be light and the closed system of remarkable (no you tube and internet) could be the best gift for the education of our children. This is why this is important.

[@kw4358]

Do I hear it has hidden Bluetooth?

[@MyDeepGuide]

Yes, it's off-the-shelf components that basically already come with a built in SoC with WiFi and BT. They simply chose, for some strange reason, to hide and omit Bluetooth. I guess that would be too much work to allow users to actually use their own keyboards. But the device definitely has the hardware capability to support Bluetooth devices.

[@kw4358]

@MyDeepGuide Future update possibility. Similar story with frontlight. After hacking it, the frontlight is finally usable and adds to my dilemma if I should keep it or stay with RM2, Nomad and wait for A5X2