Peter Elikann: How will 2 major developments impact future of Karen Read murder case?

Monday marked a big day in the Karen Read murder case with two major developments that could impact a future retrial.
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[@coldisle]

Like so many others who watched, it was agonizingly obvious that this judge was in the tank for the prosecution. Her contempt for Karen Reads legal team was glaringly obvious. And because of the judge not being interested in clarifying the ridiculous verdict form, she screwed everyone. This judge needs to be removed from the bench

[@anna.banana.075]

WHAT ABOUT REPRIMANDING PROCTOR'S BOSSES FOR NOT TEXTING HIM BACK TO STOP HIS BS

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

maybe he agreed with proctor I mean she is a see you next Tuesday.

[@gb3376]

Judge Bev was too "tired" to run the court correctly. She created this mess.

[@ljoy124]

BEVERLY CANONE IS THE PROBLEM HERE

[@richardbetts816]

Auntie Bev

[@Jerdon610]

Exactly! How many times did she complain as to how tired she was? Oh boo hoo Judge! Perhaps you should resign.

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

how does a judge not ask if the jury is deadlocked on 1 2 or 3 charges before declaring a total mis trial ?

[@georgewashington3555]

Judge acts as if she is part of Prosecution.. and judge Bev has as much integrity in the court as Trooper Proctor had in his investigation. Terrible.

[@bethmccrae2714]

What evidence supports your claims?

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

@@bethmccrae2714 none you ask you never get an answer back , dey coo coo. they blame everyone else but karen they even blame the worms in the ground.

[@EC-dz3fb]

I felt she was 𝘦𝘹𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘺 lenient with the defense most times; often to a fault. She allowed them to explore 3rd Party 𝗶𝗳 it came about organically (it didn't, but AJ ignored that), allowing the "dog bite expert" (small, older woman) to testify despite no notification and needing a voir dire, continually talking over her, whining (especially DY), ignoring her instructions to not repeat certain phrases and to not make statements ( "𝘖𝘧 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦," "𝘐'𝘮 𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘺 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘥𝘢𝘺," "𝘚𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘰𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶," etc.) Not saying it wasn't much of her own fault to let defense run her courtroom, but boy did they take advantage of it. (Cue: "𝘞𝘦𝘙𝘦 𝘠𝘰𝘜 𝘸𝘈𝘵𝘊𝘩𝘐𝘯𝘎 𝘵𝘏𝘦 𝘚𝘢𝘔𝘦 𝘛𝘳𝘐𝘢𝘓 𝘢𝘚 𝘶𝘚?!" 🥱)

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

@@EC-dz3fb she had no control of that courtroom, Jacksoita n wanted to run the show and she let him, she allowed the crazy people harass the jurors, this one lady RIita would yell and scream at them, I believe they were scared to sauy guilty they heard what they did to jen nccabes daughter, they are sick people. We need another judge for the next trial and sequester the jury make them feel safe.

[@ThomasJones-ij6hv]

She actually restricted the defense in regards to the third party theory. They legally have the right to use it but she didn't allow them to point fingers in their opening argument. While she did allow "the small older woman's testimony" there is much legal precedent to back it up. If she didn't allow it the judge ran the risk of creating another reason for the defense to appeal the case. Besides that "old woman" had more experience then anything the prosecution put out there.

[@jppalm3944]

Judge caused this with her crap jury form.

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

judge doesn't decide the jury, the lawyers do, and it wasnt her jackson could have asked to pull the jury oopsie

[@NalaRichenbach]

@@user-ii2uh1xq7b The Jury Form... NOT the jurors themselves. 🤷

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

@@NalaRichenbach what you talking about Willis

[@NalaRichenbach]

@@user-ii2uh1xq7b Obviously, your education was obtained from television sitcoms. The Judge deliberately gave the jurors forms that were confusing. That was on purpose to get her convicted but it didn't work because Jackson caught it.

[@justmegaming1169]

@@user-ii2uh1xq7bare you for real!!!!!! Did Allen Jackson ask for “ Not Guilty” options to be added to each count and then Judge Bev denied that request???? What trail did you watch? how did you miss that part about how Judge Bev said “NO” we dont do it that way around here. Bro. You need to pay better attention before speaking

[@Carl-fl6wl]

Judge was bias horrible person

[@JLCRH]

It seems so obvious that the Judge miffed the jury instructions. The question is why.

[@jgdwick4067]

Dirty COPS !!! Corruption corruption corruption!!!!! Karen NOT GUILTY NOT GUILTY!

[@minibikemadman]

4th juror came forward...and said the same as the last 3.

[@lynneb620]

I saw that on news at noon ! I’m sure more will come forward as the week goes on !

[@barbarabee3834]

Five now!

[@mads597]

The footage of Karen hugging her dad is really beautiful

[@sunshinemagicalrainbowunic4004]

Proctors boss needs to be fired too

[@timp3035]

Something that starts bad ends bad. Toxic....

[@lifesabeach8133]

Bev (sorry, I cannot bring myself to call her Judge) made the verdict slips and her instructions as confusing as possible because she was looking for 1 of 2 possible outcomes (Guilty on all or at least guilty of SOMETHING). When she knew that wasn't likely happening she changed gears and called a mistrial. The foreperson, hand picked by Bev, did not run the final note to the judge by the other jurors because he was on side with Bev. His note made it sound like there was a wide divide on all the charges. No other explanation, except that the blue wall will stick together no matter what. The DA's whiplash announcement of a retrial seems both unusual and unwise. With so many possibilities on how to handle the case moving forward, a prudent DA would take at least a moment to consider the options... but not this DA. I've taken more time deciding which flavour of ice cream to order than this DA took announcing a retrial. He's looking pretty silly now after Proctor got suspended without pay as well as Kevin Albert (with pay??). Now the jurors coming out of the woodwork (Bev will need some extra glasses of wine tonight, I think). Super curious what her call will be on the new motions. I want to see the DA double down on the retrial now.

[@jameslangan7357]

That Judge and prosecutor were running that trial like producers of a Gilbert and Sullivan opera.

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

nah jackson was trying to run the show and the judge wasn't having it dudes a sleaze ball

[@EC-dz3fb]

I don’t get the analogy; Gilbert & Sullivan's operettas were tightknit productions.

[@jameslangan7357]

@@EC-dz3fb Their operettas were created with elements of the absurd and fantasy tossed in. Just like that trial.

[@NalaRichenbach]

@@user-ii2uh1xq7b Delusional. Get help.

[@georgewashington3555]

Words Ethics is a mystery to Judge Bev and Trooper proctor, as much as word Science is a mystery to Prosecution Accident Reconstruction guy Paul - even after he took few courses.

[@bethmccrae2714]

Evidence is a mystery to you

[@georgewashington3555]

@@bethmccrae2714 You mean .. how mysteriously Proctor kept finding Pieces of Tail light weeks after John O keef was found on the lawn.. and after Canton Police did not find any , any at all, pieces of Tail light on the lawn.. but Mysteriously .. the tail light pieces were Revealing themselves to Proctor and to the ex chief of police, the same Chief of Police that .. did not submit his Security video even though he lives across from Brian Albert and his lawn where John O keefe was found.

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

@@bethmccrae2714 its just an intent to be invested.

[@NalaRichenbach]

@@bethmccrae2714 Yes, and it's a mystery to the rest of us how Proctor got his job in the first place. He is completely unqualified to investigate anything. He doesn't even know how to log evidence. He thought he could keep going out to the crime scene, undocumented, and plant more evidence without anyone questioning it. The man's head must be empty.

[@kellycurran4608]

It is Proctors own fault!!!! He told family members and highschool friends about her medical issues!! A total HIPPA violation... Unprofessional as a non bias member of law enforcement to share details of the investigation too!!!!

[@EC-dz3fb]

It's "non-bias𝗲𝗱."

[@kellycurran4608]

@@EC-dz3fb 👍

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

what medical condition? her fake MS? if so she shouldn't be drinking, and when ir comes to HIPPA doubt that will roll because she told everyone, I think ts a lie

[@kellycurran4608]

@@user-ii2uh1xq7b She had several medical conditions, Proctor has no right to disclose them to friends and family! If Karen Read tells people that's different. He gets what he deserves

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@kellycurran4608 𝗡𝗼𝘁 saying (nor even implying) it was okay for Trpr. Proctor to disclose KR's medical stuff, but it's quite a common misconception that 𝗛𝗜𝗣𝗔𝗔 (𝗛ealth 𝗜nsurance 𝗣ortability and 𝗔ccountability 𝗔ct) protects everyone in all situations. It does not, unfortunately, apply to criminal investigations, including impaired driving cases.

[@ljoy124]

If you wanna see how KR trial outcome should've been watch "Tennessee vs David swift" case about a month ago same exact jury outcome but judge handled it PROPERLY!!!

[@MoonCrone902]

Such an upstanding police department! What a fiasco!

[@JRay.R]

Michael Proctor is a member of the Massachusetts State Police.

[@NalaRichenbach]

@@JRay.R And very soon he won't be.

[@MoonCrone902]

@@JRay.R Does the department make a difference? Apparently not in this state!

[@JRay.R]

@@MoonCrone902 many of the police departments relevant to this case leave plenty to be desired…I just think it’s worth noting rather than just taking on a “all police are corrupt” mindset. Our distrust, frustration, and anger is most effective when not misdirected. I know tone is difficult to interpret in comments, but I wasn’t being sassy or trying to “correct” you lol

[@lilithstribe]

The inquiry into the Jury's verdict needs to have oversight by an objective outside party and the Attorney's need to be present.

[@dawnmills6755]

If the jurors were confused, they should have asked the judge for clarification at the time.

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

no the defense should have asked to pull the jury.

[@ljoy124]

Absolutely ‼️but master manipulator BEV PURPOSELY CONFUSED THEM

[@Nielak-dg8nj]

@@user-ii2uh1xq7b Poll the jury* and as soon as she didn't ask for objections to declaring a mistrial and then declared a mistrial it was over. The fact also is that 99.9% of the time the judge usually polls the jury before declaring a mistral, which shows her being a bad judge that much more.

[@Timkast]

They did ask. Several times. 🤦🏼

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

@@Nielak-dg8nj i think shes a bad judge too. She had no control of that court room.she let jackson get away with bloody murder and let the mob harass jurors like that loud mouth Rita lady

[@anagramconfirmed1717]

WHICH EIGHT JURORS?! Wtf.

[@EC-dz3fb]

They're not disclosing their names and how they voted ... is that what you mean?

[@JRay.R]

Yeah why would you need to know which 8? Doesn’t matter.

[@nadinenc3097]

The smart ones.

[@markblain8438]

Clearly judicial misconduct.

[@markblain8438]

In Canton everything is smoke and mirrors.

[@QueenNebiah]

Canoodling Karen will have to go to a new trial.

[@nicoletambasco9210]

I’m just wondering if they’re going to wait until the court date they already have set to address the motion

[@lynneb620]

I think that’s exactly what they are waiting for. The whole point of the July 22 court date is to discuss the retrial. The judge , prosecution and the defense will decide where to go from here. The Commonwealth will announce the charges that they will bring against Karen, the defense will get a chance to argue it ( I’m assuming ) , and the judge will probably talk about a new trial date and discuss jury selection.

[@veragreen9725]

Humans are very limited in looking at the whole story... One question that people have not asked... Kate Read made 53 calls to John O’Keefe after she dropped him off and when he did not reply she was frantic and so then frantically contacted persons who were at the post drinks party... clearly she knew, or suspected she struck the deceased with her car and was frantic about this thought so rather than going back to the site of the potential crime scene she ran in circles until morning when she contacted a guest at that party, Jen McCabe, clearly to gather some information on whether the deceased had been seen and soliciting another person to support her in the event she had struck snd killed him ...

[@jgdwick4067]

Looks like dirty cops in the department again making the news

[@RatTerminator]

Guilty murder 2

[@eden_aumakua]

Actual affidavits have been filed. Ahem

[@markpanfalone2130]

Just like in Idaho they are doing wrong for k o h b e r g e r I can't believe somebody higher up doesn't stop this

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

because they did nothing

[@terrys.1401]

Nothing to do with Karen's guilt of Manslauter, per jurors.

[@jppalm3944]

Proctor suspended for OTHER reasons other than this trial

[@EC-dz3fb]

I didn't know that! What are the other reasons?

[@jppalm3944]

@@EC-dz3fb fbi is investigating the Massachusetts state police before trial

[@JRay.R]

Well according to them…his suspension IS based on the text messages he sent that were read out during his testimony. Up to you if you want to believe them.

[@mattlubas4038]

The Jurors fig it was all or Nothing.. instructions were so Dumb.. corrupt judge!

[@jppalm3944]

Legally this won’t crap.

[@EC-dz3fb]

What won't crap legally?

[@jppalm3944]

@@EC-dz3fb because legally Bev ass is covered. She declared mistrial before reading partial verdict. No verdict on all charges. She saw it

[@evelynmahoney3569]

On CBS Boston, Legal Analyst Jennifer Roman just said that the judge CAN DECLARE A MISTRIAL if the jury isn't unanimous ON ALL 3 CHARGES. Goes on to say the Defense can't pick and choose, whatever that means. She said that the motion is just a strategy to put pressure on the commonwealth to drop the charges and not try the case again. I didn't think it was an all or nothing instruction to the jury. Jury is unanimous NOT GUILTY on 2 charges and hung on 1 charge. THE JUDGE CAN DECLARE A MISTRIAL AND THE DEFENDANT CAN BE RE-TRIED ON ALL 3 CHARGES ? ? ?

[@user-zy9ui8xk6r]

She's innocent police coverup

[@nadinenc3097]

I don't see how this makes sense. The jury did not make a verdict so how can all of a sudden their non-decision be counted? It wasn't counted. So how can it be double jeopardy? There was no legal ruling.

[@rickymendes8195]

God neva sleep founder not guilty is pay back by God.

[@sunshine22723]

The jury foreman statement was read in front of them and judge drclared a mistrial.this would create a dangerous precedent

[@user-uh5lf7uk1k]

They have had time to speak to witnesses and witness intimidators. They have had time to have been offered money. This has to be decided in the courtroom. Not, a week later give me a break. These attorneys were smart enough to go ahead with the mistrial? and not ask these questions? These defense attorneys are horrible.

[@Michelleyoung1717]

You OBVIOUSLY didn’t watch the entire Trial. Just another ignorant mouth piece for the corrupt!

[@babs3652]

I think the lawyers called the jurors not the other way around. It doesn't sound credible. Just my opinion. Check their cell phones. 😅😂

[@EC-dz3fb]

Same. Jackson pulled more strings. At the very 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘀𝘁, he wants a delay.

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

yes jackson called 3 of the jurors, CORRUPTION! he should be disbarred.

[@JRay.R]

No evidence of this whatsoever but ok, everyone’s entitled to their opinion.

[@NalaRichenbach]

NO! The jurors contacted the defense attorneys. It was stated in the original news broadcast.

[@EC-dz3fb]

@@JRay.R Thanks for your approval ... ?

[@RobertP-kk5ou]

No precedent for any success in this motion. Karen Read will need to be held accountable for the Death of John OKeefe.

[@albatros386]

her acountability is needed to be proved by a fair and unbiased investigation. Which it was not in this case by all means. Nobody should be found guilty based on the investigation that was demonstrated by the Mass police. Just the fact alone that Proctor was assigned to lead this case since Canton police had to exclude itself from the investigation BUT still Proctor ended up actually having ties with the Alberts and either hid that info or specifically was chosen by "the boys" to accommodate to the Alberts requests, is outrageous. That's why there were so many things that were done wrong here, one mistake by another. Cuz he did not care to actually investigate. And "the evidence" is either inconclusive or weak at best. Only thing that they have is witnesses but there is also an evidence of those “boston cop” witnesses being in a weird collaboration with the investigation, getting classified info and other extras from them. This case should have been investigated by entire different agency. And there is no way this is how we should be prosecuted by a fair justice.

[@astrialindah2773]

Even though she's not responsible for the death of John O'Keefe???? You still want her to be held responsible? You're as bad as Lally and the rest of the corrupt aholes.....

[@bethmccrae2714]

The evidence is clear that Karen Read killed John O'Keefe

[@RobertP-kk5ou]

The evidence in this case shows no suggestion of planting evidence. It's clear the majority of the jurors feel the same. Round 2 coming up likely will view Karen Read is the for the death of John OKeefe.

[@user-ii2uh1xq7b]

yes karen read