The Biggest PROBLEM with Modern Rain Gear

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[@StrawHat83]

Great video! New subscriber! Don't sleep on the poncho, though. I find they optimize rain protection and ventilation.

[@ngrey5092]

when I switched to carnivore way of eating I reduced sweating by A LOT. Beside impressively huge health improvements this was one of unexpected side-effects.

[@mrlpersonal]

What kind of helmet are you wearing on the ebike?

[@user-ml8dm9fz6l]

in that respect, what about using a disposable plastic apron then.. easy to use, replaceable, light weight, protects top, bottom, behind relatively, breaths better then full rain gear, and doesn't break the bank

[@tpkyterooluebeck9224]

Wind and umbrellas do not mix. Wyoming and umbrella, trucks, vans, RVs, and school buses do not mix. Hint - they get 50 mph plus wind gust regularly.

[@Pneumaticcannon]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that a rain jacket also protects you from the wind, reducing wind chill and hopefully not getting cold.

[@DoctorDinosaur]

It depends on the temperature. Is it hot? Umbrella. Is it cold? Jacket.

[@blaise3004]

@@DoctorDinosaur but if it's hot, why not just get wet. Wear something that'll dry quickly and embrace the wet

[@あああああああ-k9i]

​@@blaise3004yeah that's what I was thinking 🤔

[@Arenpat]

A softshell jacket does the same job and has way better ventilation IMO.

[@ryaniam22]

I only wear a goretex here in Canada when it's like -5 Celsius or colder and for that it is awesome. It blocks 100% of wind, breathes better the colder it gets outside, and makes insulated under layers much more effective and allows to be much less bulky. Good too about -20 Celsius. If it's warmer outside just wear a cotton smock and a poncho for that 0.01% of the time it rains. You'll be way more comfortable Funny how goretex is only awesome for the exact opposite of its intended use

[@Lionheartwolf135]

This is pretty specific to covered trails in moderate to warm weather. I'm sure umbrellas are great when you have enough clearance and coverage from trees. Even a moderate wind would make you question that choice, even more when you are in an open clearing. When I lived in Ireland I learned really quick why nobody owns umbrellas.

[@InnoftheLastBrick]

Same here in the Scottish highlands.

[@bsuppe]

There’s definitely a limit beyond which you can’t use an umbrella, but it’s way higher than people imagine. Especially if you use a super burly compact umbrella. This isn’t necessarily a purpose built hiking umbrella.

[@ALifeOfWine]

So I'm not touting this umbrella as an actual alternative while hiking, that would just be silly, but if you're in need of an umbrella that can survive even the unruliest winds of the UK, the gustbuster brand is the only one I've found that will not break after 5 seconds. All other 'windproof' umbrellas get buggered in a proper gust, but I've got 3 gustbusters that have all been going for years. P.s. I'm not getting paid for this advert lol. But gustbuster, if want to throw a fiver my way I'll take it :p

[@FrancisBeanBlades]

Here in Tennessee in the USA, I have exactly the opposite problem: the trails look more like green tunnels, with rhododendron and mountain laurel close packed and arching overhead. I can't imagine trying to maneuver an umbrella through that sort of tangled mess, particularly with all the blow-downs. It would be snagged, ripped, torn, and shredded into uselessness within the first 10 miles!

[@Labroidas]

I've bought a hiking umbrella (ShedRain WindPro Mini) 10 years ago for a month-long hike on the Camino de Santiago. It's very cleverly designed to not lock up but change shape with the wind, and it works surprisingly well. It can be used as a "shield" against almost horizontal rain and strong winds. Protects against rain AND wind chill. It's extremely sturdy and can be used for shade in the sun too. So don't be too quick to say no to umbrellas for hiking even in rough weather, I'd recommend trying it out. I'd use it together with rainpants though, because it can't protect your legs and feet.

[@saturn580]

The umbrella's greatest weakness is wind, which can make it practically unusable. Personally, I carry both. Umbrella provides better ventilation, jacket provides better coverage and hands-free use.

[@rubke2]

Exactly, umbrella doesnt work vs sideways rain

[@Bartolomeus-dl5ec]

Which means umbrella doesn't work where I live.

[@arasheqajar]

Love my blunt umbrella! It’s a tank but works like a charm in the wind. Also works reasonably well in the snow (as long as you don’t let it pile on top too much)

[@tomdocherty3755]

I did a 96 mile walk with an umbrella and found you develop skills in using it at different angles making the wind less of an issue, in fact it often became a great windbreak esp at break times!

[@dctaylor480]

@@rubke2 You hold the stick part by both ends and use it like a shield. I live in a very windy city.

[@peat_moss856]

When I was hiking the Appalachian trail, I tried fully covering up the first time it rained. I ended up soaked with sweat after a few minutes. From then on I would just take rain as a chance for a free shower, and only use my jacket when it was windy or cold. This was mostly in the summer, so hypothermia was less of an issue. When we got cold rain in the fall, the only thing to do was cover up and move slowly enough that we didn’t sweat much.

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

Just a fun idea: your skin is mostly waterproof and dries alot faster than wet clothing. If you are hiking in summer, try stripping down when it starts to rain. I remember as a kid that we were out on a hike with friends and my best friend stripped down to his underwear when it started to rain. While everyone of us got really wet and drenched, his clothes stayed dry. It was the peak of august, so 30°, thus cooling out was no worry.

[@whatsupbudbud]

Smart guy. Hope he had good taste in undies.

[@34psychotic]

I worked as a summer camp counselor for many years. One super rainy summer I just had my bathing suit on most of the time with maybe some quick dry shorts.

[@bunhelsingslegacy3549]

My mom used to yell at me for doing that, I'd strip down to bare essentials cause a tank top and shorts dries a lot better than a jacket and pants.

[@maudbrewster9413]

30c plus water can still give you hypothermia because your core temperature is 36C.

[@rendomstranger8698]

@@maudbrewster9413 Only if it rains hard enough to get soaked and there is a moderate to strong wind. And even that is up for debate. People can swim for hours in 20C or 25C water without having to worry about hypothermia. Worst case scenario, just grab an umbrella if the rain lasts for more than half an hour.

[@thathaslage]

I agree with the poncho. It took a long time for me to appreciate it. I spent years in combat units and a couple years overseas. It was when I came home and used traditional rain gear while being outdoorsy... that I realized how much the poncho did for me. Its a transformer. Having a tent like place to tuck into to perform tasks is invaluable. You ever try to use a smartphone with wet hands? Tuck into your poncho, dry your hands, then pull your phone out and use it while inside of the poncho. Or taking a break, setting up a small stove... having the ponch to go from rain jacket to tarp like mini tent is just the way to go. Its always in my EDC bag.

[@MattyDove]

This guy understands. Army surplus poncho is a wet weather life saver. It can be buttoned up or worn loose. Build a fire and huddle close and it functions like a greenhouse. Anything you can do with a tarp you can do with that style of poncho, ie Converts into an A frame shelter, lean to, teepee style, ground cover or a water proof cover for all your gear. Multiple ponchos can be snapped together, if you are hiking with others and you guys bought the same style. They are a bit on the heavy side, if you are an ultra light hiker, but I'm the type of guy that hikes a full back camp chair, 60lb pack be damned, I want to be comfortable when I get to camp.

[@RAWDEAL064]

Issued a poncho while stationed at Bangor Washington. Only time i used it was to keep rain from getting into the HUMV and to collet the water leaki g through the roof while on a Pole Gate. Super useful

[@Fani24.7]

Poncho is absolutely the way to go. Just wear it over your backpack so you won't get sweaty like with the rain jacket. Simple, easy and very multifunctional.

[@c3aloha]

The woobie liner is the best piece of gear! I actually thought the old rubber Gumby overalls and jacket were pretty effective too

[@travcollier]

Yep. Cloaks still exist too. Even just a waxed cloth tarp makes for surprisingly decent rain gear.

[@djhagrid300]

Poncho, kilt, wool cape. That was always the point of these items in ancient/ye olde times. The idea was that the mass and natural water resistance of wool lanolin would keep the traveler dry enough to prevent them from becoming soaked, and possibly keep them completely dry. They also are loose-fitting and allow evaporated sweat to escape and are naturally breathable. They also don't hold condensation well because of the massive surface area of wool. When people think wool, they think warm, and that's true to a point. However, the different thicknesses of cloaks, kilts, ponchos, etc. would keep the wearer cooler or warmer in different climates. I'd highly recommend giving one a try, at the risk of looking like a Jacobite rebel or a hobbit taking a ring to Mordor.

[@xelmarik2671]

Let's be honest, just about everyone would want to look like a hobbit taking the ring to Mordor while backpacking.

[@etherealicer]

I use the Poncho from Sea To Summit. Light, small package and really good protection. Bonus, it also protects your backpack. Layering is always the key and a Ponch is a great top layer.

[@lesto12321]

its almost like 5000 years of walking outdoor has already figured out best way for different situation. Why did cape went out of style?!

[@FlorisGerber]

I do reenactment and Larp. And when the weather gets too bad outside, the period clothes come out, and I stop caring about wether people look at me funnily. Wool lined with linnen is simply the best.

[@blank1778]

A lot of expensive outdoor hunting gear is made out of wool for a reason. It insulates even when wet if it ever gets wet

[@thom9455]

I see a lot of people discussing umbrellas and wind. Surprised no one has mentioned the Storm Umbrella. Developed by a University student in the Netherlands (TU Delft). It works really well, obviously in the Netherlands we get a LOT of wind but this one is undeterred and you can even cycle with it just fine. Think the original is by Senz company but probably a lot more out there these days.

[@tpkyterooluebeck9224]

Yes they still have it at senz with a com added to the end. Still, a poncho keeps your hands free which is better when out in nature. This way you can grab whatever safety thing you need to grab if security becomes a sudden issue.

[@davidmanning7912]

Blunt umbrella's do well with wind. Even if they flip out in the wind they don't break and can revert to shape. From Wellington, NZ's windiest city

[@tpkyterooluebeck9224]

@@davidmanning7912 If I am getting wet under an umbrella even if it does revert back to shape, then its useless in my books. Thanks!

[@captainnyet9855]

@@davidmanning7912 I don't want my umbrella to do tricks, I want it to keep me dry.

[@jtsholtod.79]

I've had my Senz umbrella for nearly 14 years now. I love it. It's gone through all sorts of weather and has never failed me. In light to moderate rain the asymmetrical design allows me to cover myself and my kid walking beside me. People give me funny looks sometimes, but I don't care if I'm dry.

[@flowermeerkat6827]

I'm not a really experienced hiker but I found that using a cheap rain poncho was the best. It has open sides so I can air out on the sides and I can place it over my backpack as well so it covers me and the backpack but lets me remain cool.

[@gesangmanggala9966]

Exactly! Poncho is the best deal. Here I can get a nice one for less than USD 10. And it works wonders.

[@MichaelAcurantes]

@@gesangmanggala9966 here you can get 1 for $2.50. THIS IS THE WAY!

[@T1Oracle]

And it's really tiny when wrapped up.

[@billc7211]

I’ve thought the same thing. Growing up in Boy Scouts many years ago, we all used ponchos. No one had goretex back then. The ponchos worked great.

[@FonzG]

2nd this. Spent a lot of time in the field as a soldier. I lived and died by a smuggled multicam goretex poncho in wet field conditions. Also its superversetile, can be rigged up as a shelter, laid on the ground, and is big enough go cover our ruck on the go or in a halt.

[@thewrathfulbadger2614]

A over clothing rain poncho is amazing, like those old military ones. It goes over you, your pack and gear. And since it has plenty of space between your body as it’s not something you wear per say, but drape over yourself, has proven to solves all this problems and more. Old Surplus Military gear can be and effective gear setup, I recommend

[@Xloi63]

Yes! I just rediscovered my nice camping poncho that my mum gave me when I was a boy (teenager) scout. It still fits fine, and is so drafty that I've had none of the problems biking with it like with 'breathable' rain coats . A poncho over a hoodie, rain pants over my legs, and I am all good for our summer rain storms in Montreal. I will see how this setup can hold up come fall and winter.

[@Boom-yu1ce]

Yeah, poncho is the way to go. Stuffed into its own separate bag carabinered to your pack for easy access. I live in a very rainy area and have been using ponchos since I was a kid. I’ve experimented with other gear, but I always return to the poncho.

[@sirsir9665]

Right? People don't realize how how good it is. It might not look as good by is far more useful

[@gottfriedmayrock1967]

Problem: Rain plus strong wind.

[@Xloi63]

@@gottfriedmayrock1967 waterproof pants and a poncho that clips under the crotch

[@gazzc]

Too much wind here for me to try that. If the umbrella doesn't turn inside out the wind will just blow the rain all over me anyway

[@aikogrouleff554]

I relate, it’s easy to spot tourists in my city whenever you see them chasing their umbrella. And that’s down at sea level, hiking here is almost exclusively above the tree line

[@rogerhuston8287]

It is trip dependent.

[@user70331]

That's why combo umbrella and jacket is the best, jacket will be wet but not completely soaked through. Otherwise you need to hide in shelter anyway 😅

[@scottstables669]

Ditto. I live in Scotland and our backcountry areas are really exposed to the wind so wind gusts of 60 or 70 MPH are common. The umbrella would last five minutes.

[@aidanoconnor7299]

Same here in Ireland - there's always wind...always! So holding an umbrella steady in a gale isn't going to work. And the rain is never far away either

[@akuma9313]

Before a pilgrimage, my wife and I were faced with a similar question. After some research, we decided on an umbrella with UV protection (Swing liteflex trekking umbrella). This experience completely changed my view on the subject and I have been totally enthusiastic about it ever since! On hot days, you can use the umbrella as an absolutely solid source of shade. When it rains, the umbrella is big enough to keep you almost completely dry. You can also attach it securely to your rucksack and have your hands free. The umbrella in your video seems a bit too small to really do its job when hiking! Try a bigger one. It's fantastic.

[@y0uRF4t3]

My dad hiked the E5 long distance trail through the Alps like 20 years ago. It rained and they wore jackets etc, then they met a guy that was painting the trail markers. He wore t-shirt, shorts, and had an umbrella. He said its the only way to truly stay dry.

[@garrethtinsley2435]

How did he paint the wet trail markers 🧐

[@y0uRF4t3]

@@garrethtinsley2435 The E5 trail markers are just a red, a white, and then another red line on random rocks / trees along the path, you can do that on wet rocks/ trees too.

[@garrethtinsley2435]

@@y0uRF4t3 R/TiL lol

[@Vanadium]

@@y0uRF4t3haha, I would not trust that. Especially in the alps or any mountains. Why? Because of wind, your umbrella will fold and or you get wet from the side and from the top 😅

[@jjswigger8591]

CAN U SHEEP WAKE UP.... hes literally AFF marketing linking all this shit to get commission hes a sellout...... STOP ROBBING URSELF...omg

[@MissyS1614]

Historically, wool was great for outerwear because it’s somewhat water-repellent, but it also can absorb a truly stupid amount of water before feeling wet. It can get heavy from this, but you are drier than you’d be with plastic. Also, combining that with a linen underlayer, which is great at wicking away sweat while also being antimicrobial, helps a lot too. It’s maybe not perfect, but out ancestors would have looked askance at the plastic raincoat hotbox approach, too.

[@veniqe]

Exactly. I came here to say this.

[@DBZHGWgamer]

Id rather wear poly than have the feeling of wet wool against my skin.

[@MissyS1614]

@@DBZHGWgamer yeah man, that’s why you use a lining like linen lol.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@DBZHGWgamermerino wool can be as soft as cotton. If the wool you are wearing against your body feels terrible, it’s cheap

[@leocomerford]

IIRC there was a UK (probably BBC?) non-fiction TV show in which they took a number of modern pro mountaineers out in Victorian woollen mountaineering gear. The wool took a while to soak through and performed very well until then, but when it finally did saturate the wearers would have been in serious trouble.

[@davidwilkes3966]

I love my umbrella and use it frequently, with and without a rain shell (frogg toggs Extreme lite) depending on the conditions. But there is an alternative you didn't mention. Growing up in Hilo Hawaii, people would visit and when they realize how often it rains they would ask "what do you do when it rains?" To which we answer: "Get wet." If you change your plans because it is raining you would never do anything. In the tropics and even in other areas (e.g. just did the Trans Catalina Trail 50F and rain/fog, and I live in the PNW), in the right conditions, wearing material that dries quickly I can simply get wet without care. I do carry a dry base layer for sleeping in, but that is part of my normal gear anyway. If as an adult, you haven't spent the day walking in the rain, soaked to the bone, and splashing in the puddles like a 5 year old...I feel sorry for you. You have no idea what you are missing. ;-D

[@beowulfshaeffer8444]

So true :) I can personally attest that this works in colder weather too, if you're willing to wear a wool outer layer in the rain. Good temperature control, breathability, majority of water shed, and a warm fire at camp dries you off in minutes. LindyBeige and Fandabi Dozi have also experimented with this.

[@noodlesthe1st]

I currently live on Oahu and my problem is always, no matter if it's raining or not, if I put on a rain jacket I will be wet from sweat because it's so hot. But up on the Ko'olau ridge you dry off so quick with the constant wind that once it stops raining you're dry not long after.

[@4tdaz]

You reminded me of one of my favorite memories: Buddy and I did a charity run, but they canceled and turned it into a walk around the block with umbrellas but the course was still setup. So my buddy and I decided to run it in the dumping rain anyway. I don't even recall if I had blisters it was so fun.

[@justinw1765]

Polypropylene is a nice material/fabric to wear in the rain. Silicone coated polyester is pretty good too (though doesn't wick). Wool is ok. My ancestors (Highland Scots) probably used a more ideal form of wool i.e. more lanolin rich/soaked, which would have really increased the water resistance. Modern wool, once it is wet, it stays wet for a long time, and while it is slightly warmer when wet as compared to many other fabrics--it is not ideal.

[@MirrimBlackfox]

@@justinw1765 And soaked wool is heavy! Fisherman's wool (that you re-lanolin after washing) is a good choice for mild rain.

[@Kameeho]

My granpa was a fisherman from the north coast of Norway, where you would guess, can be pretty wet and cold at the same time. And doing fishermans job can make you break a hard sweat when reeling in the fish to reach the quotas and beat the storms. I always wondered why he rarely got sick and and such as I live aswell in a pretty humid and temperate area. He told me, always to being extra change and a solid raincoat, the 100% proof ones. And Managing the heat is the key. Always wear appropiate layers of clothes and change when you start breaking a sweat. Technically, use your underlayer of clothes as a Heatsink. Once things get to hot, take a short break and switch t shirt as an example. And carry on. The new cool and dry t shirt not only absorbs the moisture, but the short break and quick switching of underlayers flushes the heat and sort of "resets" you. During long hauls he would often re use the switched out clothing after leaving it nearby to "dry" off if he didnt have enough shirts. And this is why, consider I also work a lot of outdoors, often in remote areas, i always make sure to pack a few extra undershirts and my trusty super sized umbrella. Once i start feeling that wetness coming down from my back area, thats the qeue to go and quickly change, and thats where the supersized umbrella comes in sorta working as a quick impromptu tent to change even if its a downpour. Tl;Dr: Old saying goes; always bring a fresh set of clothes to change to.

[@nickcrane888]

I've used an umbrella for 6-7 years on many backpacking trips in Alaska, JMT, Oregon and the French alps. An added benefit is keeping your glasses dry, not having to rely on a hat or hood to keep your head dry in the rain, and protecting a camera or binoculars in a light rain. I also carry/use a rain jacket, rain pants or chaps, and a home made rain kilt, and rain mitts depending on conditions. I almost always attach the umbrella to my pack so my hands are free. Sure the wind is too strong at times, but don't diss it until you try one. Only a sturdy full size lightweight umbrella with fiberglass or carbon fiber struts, not a folding "travel" umbrella. Zpacks, Six moon Designs, Gossamer gear all have good ones. 6.5-8 oz. And they are also great for shade on hot sunny hikes.

[@wanliyang6511]

Tried everything mentioned. Great point on the umbrella at camp!👍 IMO, the ultimate solution, yet, is a Dyneema poncho with straps and an inner fabric/mesh layer. Waterproof + stable in wind + warm at camp + ventilation + cover backpack + whatever you ask for, BUT, likely very expensive😂

[@ZachSprowls]

Any recommendations on brands that make the dyneema ponchos?

[@wanliyang6511]

@@ZachSprowls Zpacks sells dyneema Ponchos, expensive for a poncho as usual for the obvious reason. But with no inner comfortable layer. While backpacking in Philmont for 11 days during the monsoon season with rains every day, all Nylon based rain gears, no matter cheap/expensive, got soaked through after hours of rains. Eventually, widely cutting out a large plastic trash bag into a poncho won 😂😂😂

[@JackFalltrades]

I was once based in the Philippines. During the rainy season, I tried increasing impenetrable rain gear to keep dry. Finally, I found something that worked. The problem was, it's so hot there that I arrived soaked with sweat instead of rain. At that point I gave up on keeping dry. Instead, I carried extra clothes and just got wet. 😅

[@LeagueHQ001]

I will be living in the Philippines next month which is why I am here XD

[@michaellorenzen8200]

my thoughts exactly you won't melt if you get wet and if you're wet so is everyone else

[@jans1982]

If it's hot is not even a bad way to deal with it

[@MrEatSomeBrains]

The trick is using natural fibers and not using plastic based clothes. My waxed wool coat, keeps me warm in winter, dry in rain and im not soaking wet from sweat in the summer.

[@krdiaz8026]

@@MrEatSomeBrains The humidity in the Philippines will make that wool unbearable. Even a cotton tshirt is unbearable when the humidity is very high. The only real solution is to do what the locals do which is to bring extra clothes, and to keep your office shoes at the office, or bring it with you, and wear waterproof shoes. Or get yourself a car if you can afford it. Even when it's not raining, you still need to bring extra clothes, at least an extra undershirt, because the humidity for most of the year is really very extreme. There is some relief from November to February though.

[@zlinky1113]

As someone who is out twice every day of the year in all weathers here in the rainy U.K., I go through an awful lot of waterproof gear and figured out a long time ago that the big brand waterproof jackets are complete rubbish. They never take long to fail. Thank you for all your effort, it is much appreciated. : )))

[@peters5692]

The big question remains, then what do you use instead? Different brands? Different gear? (I'm cycling twice a day as well, rain or shine....)

[@adriansandry2783]

I have used umbrellas for 40 years now even in the foothills in the Himalayas (where all the locals use them). For $10 they deal with most sun and rain problems. They are very easy to attach to the rucksack shoulder strap, if you're practically minded. Most of my treks are 3 weeks or more and I would never go without a lightweight umbrella/parasol.

[@jjswigger8591]

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[@willeverett9233]

My wife and I did Four Pass Loop last August. We took all rain gear but mostly used the umbrellas. It was way more convenient to grab during the small drizzles and helped with the sun exposure

[@ColtonMcCoy-qv5wy]

Sometimes I see someone with an umbrella in 100+ degrees in the scorching sun and I think to myself "you clever bastard".

[@majormojo]

I started backpacking with an umbrella about 20 yrs ago. A large carbon fibre golf umbrella works great. I have one modified with a metal spike at the handle to anchor it in the ground. It’s big enough to sit under for a trail side snack. Once at camp it can serve as one pole for a tarp tent. It’s overall much more comfortable when hiking. Pack fits better and clothing stays drier.

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[@atraxisdarkstar]

I thought about trying to attach an umbrella to a backpack, carrying one in my hands is just an absolute no go.

[@rrteppo]

One method from history was a treated cloak. You get a breathable thick fabric that keeps the rain off and keeps you a relatively ok temp. The cloak eventually gets a bit damp, but it depends on the exact situation you get put in.

[@youtubecopyrights]

Poncho and cloak are kinda the same thing aren’t they?

[@rrteppo]

@@youtubecopyrights Slightly different design, but you do have a good point

[@arnaudmenard5114]

I originally made myself a hooded cloak for Halloween with dirt cheap jute fabric sold to protect topiary... One, it was way way warmer then I ever expected a fabric with a single digit thread count to be! Second, it takes to rain like wool. Meaning it keeps you warm even when wet! Third it is very very breathable, I meat it’s nearly a net it’s so roughly spun! Finally it was very cheap (less then 15can$ for the bolt, and 20min with a knife and needle. I’ve been in ice rain with it, it did go a bit stiff, but it held admirably.

[@josephjohnson6849]

I actually used this growing up in the sticks of the usa! Had a cheap cathartic coat with a shell, when i got hot I'd zip it open.

[@IntoTheVoid1981]

I hike regularly for around 20-25 years now, and I learned a lot. I live in a temperate continental/oceanic climate region. When hiking, I never use any rain coat or jacket. I know that I sweat excessively, so I will be soaking wet under the jacket anyway. If it's summertime and warm, it is not really a problem - change the shirt after the rain, and I am good to go. If the weather is cold, I put on a wool sweather. It will be wet, but it is able to keep me warm enough to avoid getting a cold. If it is cold winter time, I put on a plain thin polyesther jacket with rolled-up sleeves to keep my core wind-free.

[@YouGotPropofol]

Umbrella is a multi-tool. You have a rain shield. A sun shield. Can collect rain water for drinking. You have a walking stick. You have a hook. It’s the single most useful tool to have on a serious hike. Get one with a knife in the handle as you’re set.

[@Grimytherunner]

And when the driving rain in the wind comes in

[@YouGotPropofol]

@@Grimytherunner … you still have a multi tool you pedantic fool.

[@andrewcampbell7476]

British army used double ventile cotton garments for waterproof and wind protection all natural.

[@kevinw.weiser9820]

I learned this the hard way trekking in N. Vietnam . The heat and humidity had me soaked to the bone in my goretex and hiking boots. Luckily I'm a quick learner and I quickly adopted the local garb, shorts, tee shirt, flip-flops and an umbrella. Lesson learned.

[@Nitekom]

And when the killer vietnamese sun comes out remember to protect your skin, either by applying sunscreen, dressing up with light, long clothing or staying under the umbrella after the rain too

[@kyriekwsta770]

@kevinw.weiser9820 you are not a quick learner

[@mustardofdoom]

Been to Vietnam twice. Fully agree. Umbrellas aren't even that common unless you plan to be in the rain for a long time. Most just wait it out or use a plastic poncho if they need to use a scooter.

[@Nitekom]

@@mustardofdoom I call them water burqas

[@Archie-td6ox]

I really like my poncho. For the most part if it's done up properly it provides great coverage for me and my pack, it's really light and very breathable, and it works around camp too Seems to me the umbrella/kilt system would be cumbersome, and I like walking with poles, so I would have to secure the umbrella somehow to my pack.

[@sk-wx1cf]

what poncho do you use?

[@DogmannUK]

I use the helicon poncho and swagman roll as I can use them as a tarp and sleeping back system in fair weather 👍

[@Legionnaire7777]

Ponchos are an excellent choice 👌🏻

[@giftedfox4748]

Ponchos are great because you can do so much more with it than a rain coat. Depending on the kind you have you can even tie each corner to the trees to create a nice dry space like a light duty tarp during camp. I don't think I can just toss my poncho for an umbrella during a hike. I like to grab the trees around me to keep me stable when by the cliff side and I think the umbrella will just cause more problems than being more helpful.

[@anninwhack1998]

I use a poncho too. Sometimes if it’s windy it’s a pain but it gas so much flexibility for other uses.

[@shabingly]

I think it'd be difficult using an umbrella in the locations I usually hike in. Too much wind on open moorland, generally. Might think about a kilt, but generally in the seasons I'd use one I wear shorts anyway, and skin is waterproof. I only really wear waterproof over trousers when it's windy in summer. I struggle with sweating in rain gear nowadays (well, sweating in general tbh; I'd like to say it's age but it's definitely lack of fitness & increased weight over the last two and half years). I have to make a mental note to just slow down and try to exert myself less if I'm clobbering up for rain. Which I generally fail to do, especially on ascents.

[@user-jk2zm7uq5s]

When it's windy and the rain is coming in sideways an umbrella doesn't really do much anyway. Otoh you usually sweat less in windy conditions...

[@gregvanpaassen]

My wife and I regularly use our Zpacks umbrellas as wind breaks. The Zpacks is by far the best we have found for standing up to the wind. We're in New Zealand, which is in the "roaring forties": we know a little about wind. I have her original one (five years old), she has one, and she's bought another for "Sunday best". 🙂 They're also parasols in the hot sun. The shading you get on a hot day is sooo good. Much cooler than having to wear a hat. We use velcro ties to strap the Zpacks to our trekking poles, so they're out of the way when we don't need them. They are standard equipment on every hike for us. Give one a try - you might like it!

[@brycetheshredder]

@@gregvanpaassen what other umbrellas have you used that makes you say the zpacks is best in wind. Just curious as ive been looking into getting an umbrella and a few other companies have good options(six moons designs, gossamer gear)

[@richardk7379]

I finally tried an umbrella and I will never be without one. It is pretty easy to attach an umbrella to a pack. Even around camp I found it was so handy to quickly keep the rain off of something I didn't want to get wet. It bought me time and I could just set it down if the rain stops.

[@teriscope]

Thanks for sharing your insights on rain gear. For me personally a big poncho is the way to go. Because it‘s airy enough for me to not start sweating while hiking, gives me perfect protection in all circumstances no matter how hard the rain is and it‘s super easy to set up (when the weather is changing every hour for example, i just let the poncho hang over my backpack so i can pull it over my head whenever it starts raining again. I haven‘t seen a quicker system than this so far). Also i‘d prefer the poncho over an umbrella because i like to have two free hands for moving over obstacles or catch me in case i slip.

[@flowersafeheart]

Silver Moon does make a kit to attach umbrella to backpack strap though🙂

[@kurtronqx7135]

As a hiker in the tropics, going through dense jungle greatly inhibits umbrella use. While I definitely prefer umbrellas over rain jackets so my arms aren't soaking wet, there's also the problem of extremely cold winds that come around the 2000 masl mark here in the mountains I've hiked in. Rain while on the trail is just a bad time here because it results in being cold AND wet. Perhaps a poncho could work but I'm afraid it would tear against the vegetation along the trail.. I've actually considered layering both breathable and non-breathable rain jackets for this reason, but I've yet to try it

[@NexuJin]

I think thin layers are the way to go. If you can use it to manage the heat you generate underneath it. And how fast you can get what's wet to dry again. But that latter could be difficult in humid areas since you specifically mentioned the tropics.

[@markjackson264]

I find umbrellas work well until the conditions get windy enough. Either the umbrella catches the wind and eventually breaks, or the rain ends up at an angle difficult to block with the umbrella. Not as ventilated as a poncho, but a rain jacket with pit zips helps with ventilation as well.

[@rickkaylor8554]

Thanks for the very informative video. I'm a big fan of using a poncho and have been doing so for at least 35 years. Many years ago I got a North Face Gortex rain jacket and never liked it while hiking. It trapped sweat and was always hot and clammy. These days I use a poncho while hiking. I use the ultra-light Frogg Togg rain jacket in camp. The poncho also has the advantage of being used as an emergency shelter. I'll have to try an umbrella but they seem to be hard to use if it is windy and difficult to use if you are using trekking poles.

[@FreyasArts]

As scouts we all have the same poncho and it works great. It also doubles as our ground tarp since we don't use modern plastic tents, but tents that look kinda like tipis with canvas that you knot together to create a tent , so we have to lay something down to protect our gear from the wet ground

[@nunya___]

Ya, I use a poncho and a real hat. If you want the best gear, look closely at how the Cowboys did it.

[@MrCmon113]

That sounds very impractical. Especially in cold climates.

[@MrCmon113]

@@nunya___ I don't recall cowboys climbing mountains.

[@FreyasArts]

@@MrCmon113 nah, it works pretty great. You can put up the Kothe in under 5 minutes and the problem is that they usually don't sell round tarps, which is why we have to use our ponchos. (I live in Germany. Dunno if you'd already consider this cold climate, but we definitely do winter camps as well)

[@nunya___]

@@MrCmon113 They did. Though the actual point is they spend long days outside in all weather conditions. Wind, rain, snow and sun but their boots were for saddle use, not best for hiking.

[@johndenton4952]

Try wool jackets - they are surprisingly water resistant, breath well and warm even when damp. I found that the problem with Goretex is when it wears (old age) the water comes through with none of the benefits of wool.

[@thecashier930]

Just for my dail bike commuting I've actually been using a semi-waterproof soft shell jacket that has a bit of fleece on the inside. It works wonders. It prevents a little rain from getting you wet at all and even though it soaks when it pours it still keeps you warm and is windproof. Idk if I'd want it when I go hiking overnight, but for daily use it's absolutley great.

[@IanLoughead]

Gortex needs to be reconditioned in a hot dryer to keep working at maximum.

[@asdfyxcv1100]

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[@rpm6085]

Just did a quick 10km training walk in the rain with a 24kg sandbag. Didn’t want to sweat in gortex so decided to just get drenched. Then I remembered this video and took a small umbrella. Sensational!! Sweated like crazy but stayed dry from rain. Could easily take phone out to check distance and time. Dry to drink water under the brolly. Great idea.

[@lawrencegt2229]

I would definitely advocate for a short cape such as the Varusteleka Luhka - throw it on over your normal clothes, T-shirt, fleece, whatever and it's like wearing a hands-free umbrella, plus you can wear your backpack underneath so it protects that as well.

[@octoberfox3399]

The umbrella idea is definitely interesting. It would really depend on your hike, those trails were pretty wide. From my experience there's a number of times where I'm digging my way threw trees so it wouldnt work. But on the other hand set up is super easy and I could use that for lunch and if you do get it big enough it would help to keep your pack dry. I definitely will consider it!

[@hanumarn7882]

Thank you for clarifying. I have always wondered why ponchos are designed the way they are. Thanks for sharing!👍❤️

[@jonbarlow3542]

Totally agree with your conclusions and have been walking with a largish umbrella (no kilt) with some desirable results, until the wind picked up! Then the umbrella morphs into a sail and sails need to be reefed when the wind gets up and the only reef available with an umbrella is 'fold-down'! Thanks for your work.

[@zeljosarajevic]

I would add that it depends on a terrain, climate and general geographical region where you hike. I'm a hiking guide in Balkans and Dinaric Alps, and from my experience, depending on different factors all three options work in a way. Maybe for me, poncho is the best for rain overall, but in general I always carry my jacket because it's more versatile. Poncho: I carry it only when I know there will be heavy rain. In general I share everything you said about poncho, it's breathable, lightweight, your hands are free etc. The downside is when you are using your hands while climbing (or cable or you are on via-ferata) because it just gets in the way and it's not safe. Also poncho has to be used with hiking poles, otherwise it has the same effect as a goretex jacket. I found it better in forest than jacket, just because that excess moisture that can escape (especially when you have to stand for a longer time to wait a thunder storm to pass). Also I found it difficult to wear poncho on a heavy wind without natural shelter because all the heat will escape from underneath. While this is great during the summer, during the winter it can be a terrible decision to loose all your heat on -20 celsius and be left with a wet and cold under layer. During balkan summer/autumn period, when the temperature is good enough for a t-shirt but it can rain like hell for 10 minute intervals, poncho is the guy because you can just pack and unpack it in a matter of seconds. Jacket: I carry it all the time. It's just more versatile than poncho, but it's not better than poncho on a rain day for the same reasons you mentioned. Again I will always prefer jacket if I'm climbing or if I'm on a ridge during the rain and wind. During winter jacket is waaay preferable and I always leave poncho at home during winter. Umbrella: In Dalmatia and Herzegovina, umbrella is better during hot summer days than during the rain. While rain can seem refreshing, beware of bura winds. Believe me, you don't want to be in Dalmatia during the rain/wind of bura, but if you do, an Iron Man suit isn't enough. I found out that umbrella doesn't work with European forests, mostly because our forests are much younger and trees are shorter, more often than not, you hit your head on a branch, so umbrella just gets in a way and shortens your view and it can get ripped. Also when you get out of the forest in Europe, you are mostly on a flat open field which doesn't have a forest for a reason - it's too much windy for trees.

[@adamnovina2139]

I use umbrella and rain gear for years. Depend on terrain i'm on and overall situation. It works perfectly. Umbrella also gives you a chance to hide inna shadow when its hot and sunny.

[@SgtStinger]

Here is a secret: GoreTex is water tight OR breathable. Not water tight AND breathable. When the GoreTex surface is covered by water, it won't breathe anymore.

[@daanschone1548]

In reality it doesn't breath and it isn't waterproof.

[@ivanivanovich5904]

Thx for repeating author captain Obvious

[@elderhiker7787]

Yes. The umbrella is a very functional solution for trail and camp. One additional benefit of the umbrella that you didn’t mention is when getting up at night to relieve yourself. I don’t know about you, but I always stay under my quilt too long. And when I can’t hold it any longer, I jump up frantically seeking a suitable place to go. The last thing I want to fool with is a rain coat and pesky zipper. The umbrella is a life saver in those situations. Other than that, my rule is umbrella when I’m walking and rainsuit in camp. It works for me.

[@astralaxolotl8700]

I've been using Paramo directional clothing for years and they are great at keeping me dry. They don't use the same tech as Goretex, not exactly sure how it works tbh but it uses pressure generated by your body heat to move liquid from your skin outwards. Even if I'm wet when I put it on I get dry. Only issue is that they are quite warm so I do get hot walking sometimes, but then I can just vent and even if some rain gets in the vents it will soon dry when I close them again. Added benefit is that they don't use toxic chemicals to make their gear and they are made in a factory with well paid female workers who where helped to get out of horrible life situations.

[@jrnandreassen3338]

I use old school Helly Hansen from Norway. It is the best rain gear by a far amount. Kinda stiff with double walls, and it rests solely on your shoulders with plenty of room for evaporation. Use wool longsleeve when it's cold and use synthetic T-shirt for summer and you are golden.

[@calmasmr1946]

My wife and I used umbrellas on the West Highland Way this summer. Was an amazing bit of kit. We were able to walk in the rain, stay relatively dry, AND not get sweaty. Will always hike with one now if there is any rain forecast. We knew about kilts, but hadn’t considered them, we are a bit interested now. This was a ‘supported’ thru hike, staying in paid for accommodation. When we do proper ‘tent’ backpacking I carry my full waterproof suit to use as an extra warm layer when at camp or whenever, rather than extra clothes. (I’m in shorts most of the time.) Keeps the dry pack weight down to below 5kg 👍🏻

[@Nurk0m0rath]

I prefer a cloak and hood personally. With a waterproof outer layer such as oilcloth or a good thick wool (preferably lanolin intact), it's like a wearable umbrella that doesn't restrict your clothes from handling sweat their way. And they can be made in different thicknesses for different locales or seasons.

[@DaGoon_]

I've been wanting to acquire a good hooded cloak. Do you have any recommendations on where to get one?

[@Nurk0m0rath]

@@DaGoon_ Sadly, my pattern is at least a decade old and I have no idea where I would find another that I like. But I know KZbin has some great tutorials for a lot of things, including blanket cloaks and simple hoods. I made a Viking hood in the Hedeby style from a youtube tutorial and love it to pieces. I'm finding that I like separating the cloak and hood, as it means I can mix and match. If you meant to buy the cloak itself, I think most renn fairs will have some form of clothier who carries a few cloaks. You're probably looking at $100-200 in the US but wool doesn't come cheap any way you get it.

[@akbdawgo6396]

The main hurdle with anything besides neoprene raingear is that in many situations you are hiking through wet Alders which slap against you and permeate any breathable gear or go under the umbrella. Also many high altitude locations hold 50-60 mph winds in fall

[@neiltsubota4697]

Keep is Simple Sam. Umbrella and a poncho it works for me 60 years ago. I also have a Gore Tex jacket that has lasted for 15 years. It is very thin and light weight.

[@rjstewart]

I consider my rain jacket as my wind jacket and as an extra layer for warmth. I’ve never really used rain pants. I could see adding an umbrella though!

[@johnsonm5490]

It’s better to “get dry” rather than try to “stay dry” set up a tarp when you get to your campsite, and change into dry clothes. When you’re at your campsite you can wear something cheap and impermeable

[@florisdewalvis1939]

Very interesting video! I use a 1950's British military rain cape with a waterproof hat. I love it because I get ventilation through the bottom and it doubles as rain protection for my backpack! :)

[@Milo-Mike]

Damn, i believe you need this in the uk 😅

[@ryanlink-cole6718]

In the PNW, I have often gone with a poncho. I've got one that will flip over the top of my pack because the back is extra long but snaps up shorter to keep out of the way when not wearing a pack. Solves the breathability problem, is packable, potentially doubles as a tarp, and doesn't cost a lot of money.

[@macewindupage]

Thanks for this. Very interesting and generates some good debate here. I think all this gear has a time, a place and a wind speed. I tried a kilt and poncho in Scotland last year and gave up on them due to the strong winds. If using an umbrella, it or I would have flown over the mountains like something from the Wizard of Oz!

[@kenmorrisproducer]

Just cinch the poncho with a belt enough to keep it from flying but not enough to hold humidity.

[@Yer_Da_]

All my wild camps involve climbing hills, scrambling, and technical sections with high winds so an umbrella is totally out of the question - however on a stroll around a lake - I think I'll go with the umbrella :) As long as it's not windy...

[@Yer_Da_]

The only rain gear I haven't tried but want to is the pump-liner type gear - Paramo and Buffalo make jackets like this - they're not designed to be totally waterproof but they draw moisture away from the body using a 'pump liner' and the outer shell is so breathable your body heat simply makes water evaporate. I've heard great things but they're not that cheap and I've already bought a load of Gore Tex Pro stuff

[@reddottx]

Exactly. Need my hands free at all times. Mounting an umbrella? No thanks. An easy stroll with the kids maybe I could see an umbrella but even then I’m not generally working up a sweat the pit zips won’t solve.

[@weeeongteo3082]

I've trekked in tropical rain forest and I always have both umbrella and rain jacket with me. I'll decide between umbrella or the rain jacket depending on the terrain when it rains. Umbrella will be in more open terrain while rain jacket is used when the trail is narrow and the trees are closer or when both hands are needed to scramble up boulders. Umbrella is particularly useful when moving around at the campsite when it rains.

[@miquelbech5580]

The risk of winds too strong for an umbrella is too high to consider an umbrella where I hike. I'll stick with my poncho. While that can also be annoying in windy weather, I'm not worried about damaging it. My biggest issue with ponchos is that they all seem to come with buttons down the sides. This means that I'll rip the sides open when I'm walking between trees or through shrubs.

[@cathyajames]

You might like the Packa, which is a poncho with sleeves instead of button-down sides. Well worth considering.

[@bruellaffenbaumd7159]

@@cathyajames or the decathlon poncho with sleeves for around 30-40 bucks. I really like that one and just tie the excess material into a knot in the front if it's windy.

[@memathews]

Another poncho design is the SMD Gatewood Cape, which I use all spring/summer/fall here in the PNW in temps between 40-90. Below 40 I use breathable waterproof materials with base layers and fleece. The Gatewood Cape has a front zipper and closed sides, so wind is less of a problem and ventilation is still great.

[@ThomasLeo]

The problem with umbrellas is wind. Wind can send rain from different angles and break your umbrella. I think a really thin Gortex jacket & layers in the winter works best. For the summer I prefer quick dry clothes and just let them get wet (can be a rash guard or a light T-shirt with bathing suite bottoms)

[@Tutorp]

I feel like there's one option that's kind of forgotten: a rain cloak. My favourite piece of rain gear for when it's really wet is this huge piece of traditional rain gear cloak. It's got a big hood, and without a backpack on, it reaches down past my knees. It can be put on outside of not only your clothes, but your pack as well, protecting the whole package. And though there are buttons that go pretty far down, you don't need to close them all, giving you excellent ventilation.

[@SimonGrayDK]

Aren't you talking about a poncho?

[@Tutorp]

@@SimonGrayDK No. I mean, I've seen people call similar things a poncho, but a poncho is a garment you pull over your head. This is something you wrap around yourself, with buttoning up the front.

[@cpluhar1]

Thanks for the video. As others have said: wind or bush-whacking limit the use of hiking parasols/umbrella. But I do bring one on all my trips, mainly to protect my toddler on my back from the sun. For hiking in sunny locales, it’s the best. And it’s no replacement for the insulating layer of a rain shell. I vote “yes, and”.

[@__cypher__]

Normally I wear a medium, maybe a large rain jacket. Instead I put on my backpack first, then an extra large rain jacket over that. Im dry. My bag is dry. Yet I have air flow so I don't over heat or sweat too much.

[@__cypher__]

Been using this method going on 5 seasons now!

[@tsugasouc4050]

Glad to hear this works because I just purchased a packa!🙂

[@Noam_Kinrot]

In 1990, I bought a water-repellent (impregnated with fish oil - took it years to lose the scent) 100% cotton wide-brimmed hat, which I've been using instead of an umbrella - it frees my hands, always on my head anyways, and is good even nowadays against rain (I did not re-apply fish-oil to re-impregnate it..) - the one drawback is you might want a lanyard to be able to secure it in strong or gusty wind.

[@Andy-Mesa]

I’m on the PCT right now, and I have both an umbrella and a rain jacket but I would 100% get rid of the rain jacket before the umbrella. It works in the sun, and it keeps anything you’re carrying dry too. The only drawback is wind, which ponchos suffer from as well.

[@Dharma_Bum]

And…… you can’t wear your umbrella as an insulating layer 🤷. Good luck with your PCT adventure!

[@brycewalburn3926]

I almost expected you to circle back and decide on the poncho. It seems like it is the option that provides the most ventilation while ensuring full coverage.

[@MyLifeOutdoors]

The problem I had with the poncho was rain running down my pack straps and soaking my shirt. Because of this I got more wet from it than the others.

[@niceguy191]

@@MyLifeOutdoors Did you have your pack over or under the poncho? I'm a fan of having the poncho cover the pack too so water isn't running down your back. I'm a little taller so wear a rain skirt (plus gaiters) as well to keep the water coming off the the poncho from just soaking my legs.

[@brycewalburn3926]

@@MyLifeOutdoors Wait...I'm confused. Were you wearing the poncho over yourself and your pack (see:www.rei.com/media/e659b25e-2039-48a5-8758-5cc48149db30.jpg?size=576x768) ? How was rain getting to your straps?

[@Dante07cid]

My poncho covers me and pack. Snugpack patrol poncho.

[@DogmannUK]

I was going to say poncho goes over the pack. I use the Helicon poncho and swagman roll as a light summer sleeping system too.

[@MountainParameters]

I've used the skirt and umbrella combo for a decade. The elephant in the room is dense, close-in, soggy vegetation that brushes against you as you walk in the rain. For this, I have to add gaitors below the skirt, and an unzipped rain jacket. Then there is the problem as mentioned below of hiking poles. I have tried many attempts at hands-free suspension systems for the brolly handle, some have been better than others, but I wish there was something commercially available.

[@Balathustrius86]

My three-season+ silver bullet is an umbrella with hands-free attachment, optional rain pants or kilt, and a hammock/tarp setup. In camp, the tarp goes up first and I can do that while getting minimally wet. Then I have a sheltered spot to do everything else I need to do (cook, set up my hammock, etc). I can wear normal insulation layers to stay warm, like a fleece - add a wind shirt if it's windy. If I need to leave the tarp to get water, relieve myself, whatever, I just grab the umbrella. The tarp also gets me out of the rain to eat lunch or take a break - the tarp takes very little time to set up and break down. I store it in a stuff sack on the outside of my pack, so I don't care if it's wet when I put it away. If you add a pair of waterproof knee socks like SealSkinz, you can use this setup deep into the shoulder seasons by virtue of keeping your feet warm and dry. I used this method on a complete, successful Appalachian Trail thru-hike, but didn't even bother with the rain kilt/pants. Additional bonus: didn't have to carry sunscreen for the few sections exposed enough to get sunburn. A few other thoughts in response to the comments here from people who clearly haven't tried umbrellas: Do they get snagged on trees? I used a Six Moons Designs version and it was a good size to fully cover me without getting snagged up. You just have to be aware that you're a little wider and bend/shift it around trees and branches. You stop even thinking about it after a few miles. To be sure, it was pinholed in several places after 2200 miles of backpacking, but it STILL WORKED BETTER than a rain jacket. What about wind? (1) Backpacking umbrellas are tougher than you think. Mine could stand up to some pretty serious wind, though it couldn't be totally hands-free in high winds. (2) It's rare that you get high enough wind that it's a problem at all. I used mine for about three years on hikes across the USA, and only once ran into a scenario where it was too windy to use at all - a day of 50 mph gusts in the Smokies, and frankly no one stayed dry if they hiked that day. The force of the rain in that much wind ate right through every type of raingear without exception. If you live somewhere it's particularly exposed and windy (hello Ireland, I guess?), it certainly could be a problem, but from an American perspective, it's the only rain gear I've ever found pleasant to use while backpacking.

[@funknick]

As soon as you said umbrella and kilt, my mind went to the feileadh mor (great kilt) worn by highlanders in the very windy/rainy highlands. It's a versatile piece of gear that is used as blanket, gear storage, leg protection, and when flipped over your back and head, a rain cover. Is there a possibility that something similar exists or could be made with modern materials? In depth details can be found on the Fandabi Dozi KZbin channel.

[@akwardaro9235]

I do think there are big differences in how the kilt works vs modern rain gear- someone wearing a great kilt is not expecting to stay dry, just warm

[@jglampson]

Pretty disappointed with your representation of the e-bike in this video. It's a class-3 e-bike which should have the highest amount of restrictions on it, with many areas treating them as motorcycles instead of bicycles. The capabilities of the e-bike should have it classified as a motorcycle in Oregon, and isn't allowed on any shared-use pathways in Washington. Washington also bans use of any e-bike on any non-motorized trails with natural surface unless exceptions are made by the local authority in charge of the trail.

[@HumblyNeil]

I bought my first umbrella in my late 30s, I was surprised at how versatile an umbrella can be, especially a double canopy golfing umbrella as I did. I have never played golf, nor intend to, but these things are certainly practical! As others commented, they are crappy with wind, and do nothing for your lower half regardless of kilts. But can be a great barrier against being cold when sitting to cook or brew a tea.

[@kites4121]

I’m doing the 500 mile colorodo trail in a few weeks. We’re taking rain suits AND lightweight ponchos. Poncho can be deployed in 60 seconds and covers the backpack too. The rain jacket and pants functional as another layer of clothing and protect against wind.

[@sboag5]

Keep motor bikes off the trails!

[@SummitSeeker546]

Dude I’ve been tackling the same issues. I’ve experimented with jackets with pit zips, ponchos, kilts, umbrellas, etc. for some reason when on a backpack trip I don’t bring the umbrella but when I’m day hiking and know it’s gonna rain I bring the umbrella. Love it! When I discuss the positive experiences of the umbrella with my backpack buddies they give reasons why it’s just not practical, ie, wind, takes a hand to hold it, it’s a hassle, etc. Frankly I like the poncho but in windy conditions it’s a hassle. For conditions where you might just get an afternoon shower then a traditional rain jacket might be good enough. When you know you’re gonna get rained on all day or several days then you gotta prepare differently. The umbrella with kilt or poncho makes sense. Your video highlights reasons why I’m no longer a Goretex or DWR fan. That shit is bad for you and the environment!

[@DROP_BEARZ]

Here in Australia the good old Bunnings umbrella is known as an invaluable survival tool, urban or otherwise.

[@Solemn_Kaizoku]

For moderate-heavy rain with little wind, I always choose an umbrella. Misty conditions or high wind are where I would consider the jackets and such. Also, I recommend using a larger umbrella than you did here to really stay dry.

[@Hvantmiki]

I walk alot and I prefer an umbrella for the reasons you mentioned. Never thought about a rain kilt, but I have considered a cape. That is how people used to cover themselves from rain before umbrellas.

[@markrichter2053]

In the uk when you get rain it’s usually accompanied by wind , which makes an umbrella worse than useless. I use a conventional shell and overtrousers and also a poncho in heavy rain as it keeps by pack dry too. You can even crouch down and it becomes a little bivouac while you eat lunch

[@PilkScientist]

So what you need is an umbrella and a long overcoat, that way you get both these sets in one. The looseness of the overcoat helps ventilate better than the tight jackets, plus you can open it up when the umbrella works.

[@seahorse007sb]

I‘ve been trekking in the Alps for the better part of a decade. I’ll go for two plus weeks. An umbrella has always been part of my rain quiver. It’s especially appreciated when it hails (though it’s a liability during lightning!) and can be used as a sun shade, too. I’ve even used it to prop up the inside of my 1 lb ultralite bivvy tent on snowy nights. The key to ultimate rain protection is flexibility of layers, which includes wool/alpaca sweaters/underlayers, quick drying camp shirts and pants (never, ever cotton!), a good hooded gortex jacket with pit zips, a pack cover, a thin plastic rain poncho as backup (that packs down to the size of a wallet and costs a buck), gortex hiking shoes with wool socks, thin sport gloves, a wool beanie AND AN UMBRELLA. All of these items come in ultra-light and pack-down-able versions, including micro umbrellas for a few bucks, and all together weighs maybe 2 lbs. I adapt combos of these layers to the conditions at hand. I’ve never truly suffered from inclement weather thanks to this system. I don’t mind dropping my pack to change out a few items as necessary. My go-to combo: A thin smartwool underlayer under a gortex rain jacket with pit zips open (and maybe the front open) will keep the condensation down but breathes and has amazing temp regulation (wool rocks as THE superior fiber!). If I overheat, I unzip the front and pull up all the layers to expose my belly for a bit. The rain doesn’t really reach there. Never fails. If it’s a really hot and humid rain, off comes everything but a quick-dry camp shirt and out comes the umbrella.

[@The-GreenHornet]

After watching the first video on gortech, which led me to this video. I day thank you for uncovering the false claims about dry rain gear. I took away from this that a rain poncho or like a rain jacket that had slits all the way up the sides which either zippered or velcro attachments, would be the best solution for a rain barrier. Zipped closed for either windy condition or non activities. Zipped open with the bottom and middle velcro attachments attached so as to allow plenty of airflow yet still keep you relatively dry in a light rain where humidity is medium to high. I ride a recumbent trike, so this rain jacket/side zipper converted to a poncho would keep me dry. I don't know why rain gear companies have made something like this. Rain jacket/converted into a poncho. Thanks for your video.

[@alan_leblanc]

frog toggs poncho is GOATED. I just spent two weeks hiking in Alaska with rain all day. Everyones normal rain layers were permeated.

[@frederikqu7717]

I do that for years and love it. Cool to see that somebody else uses an umbrella

[@shadowprince4482]

This is just my personal experience. An umbrella can be my top pick but I've noticed a long sleeve fluffy fleece under my breathable rain jacket usually works best. I'm a big dude, put off a ton of heat, sweat like crazy, but the separation that the fleece provides allows for me to evaporate all moisture. Biggest problem I've had is that with no wind I feel a little muggy but with even a light breeze I'm freezing. BTW I usually shovel snow in a T-shirt and my body steams as I do it. So not a perfect solution but I'd say give it a try near home. Also if I feel cold I just add a middle layer then I'm good. I love snow but loathe the rain.

[@mw28945]

Personally being in the uk it’s rarely warm weather, but I always end up in storms on the top of mountains, and my rain gear gets soaked through, I’ve found that what works best for this is to wear gore tex trousers and jacket, and when I get hit by a storm put a poncho on top. I got stuck in a snow storm without gloves a week ago and nearly got frost bite, it was about 12-15 degrees Celsius on day one, and then when the storm came it dropped to -3. I get stuck in lots of situations where most people would call mountain rescue but I’d rather avoid hassling them.

[@curtchaffee]

Where I live, on the coast in forested Northern California, rain almost always comes with wind. Often strong wind. In those conditions it is best to shelter and wait it out if possible. On a work day where I have to be outside for any length of time, a vented rain jacket is the best option for me.

[@TheLordArion]

It’s all dependent on weather and activity. I use several different options. In my car for work and daily use I have an umbrella, a poncho and a set of traditional rain clothes. I also have a super thin poncho that packs small in the bottom of my bag, for unforseen changes/ events. Sometimes just a hunting jacket with a membrane and shoes with membrane are enough protection. I think that kilt should be wider from the looks of it. And have a semi stiff bottom edge. So it doesn’t lead the water to your pants as much. And let you move more.

[@TheEliteShatter]

I'm not much of a hiker, but as a fisherman/outdoors man I keep a rain jacket that rolls up small if the rain unexpectedly hits. If I'm planning to be in the rain I'd say waders and rain jacket is my go to

[@manastorm193]

I've been using an umbrella on hikes for over 15 years. It has so much utility that for me its a no brainer. There are ways to attach your umbrella to your backpack so you can hike hands free. Its great for stopping water running between your backpack and jacket. And no matter the price and how good the membrane is any breathable rain jacket will at some point let water through. For me it usually happens at around 6 hours of hiking in constant rain. (New Gore-Tex 3 Layer Jacket). The umbrella is great for keeping your camera gear dry while taking photos, its a great windbreak for cooking in windy environments. I usually peg it down with 2 tent pegs to keep it from flying off. Also I love to use it as a shelter extension. I will leave my tent door open during rain and block the entrance using the umbrella. That way I have a place to cook under the umbrella and I can still have a view by looking over the umbrella. Its also great when its rainy outside at night and you need to go pee or something you don't have to bother with putting on all that gear. Usually I hike with shorts because that way I wont need anything protecting my legs. At the end of the day I'll just dry them off. Legs don't tend to get cold during hikes because you are using your muscles. If you get a UV protective umbrella (the ones with the silver coating), it will supply you with premium shade anywhere above the treeline. Any time I meet other hikers in the mountains, they are really curious about my umbrella and once I tell them all the pros of using one, they are sold on the idea of getting one themselves. For me an umbrella is not something that will keep me from taking a rain jacket because there are environments and weather conditions where it is just not practical to use. I will also advise to bring a bothy bag. Its a kind of emergency shelter that you can pitch really fast in bad weather conditions. Usually you can see the type of rain that is coming and if its only a short shower, I will just dish out the bothy bag and skip rain gear all together. I'll just take a break in my bothy, have lunch and wait for it to pass. That way everything stays dry.

[@mrrberger]

Traditional Driza-bone full length jacket with a wide brim hat is perfect. Vents well with air circulation but not overly, beads water and good covering open weave garments.

[@turboupgradegokartjoe1174]

❤❤i only wear a rain coat in the early months aka the rainy season when it gets cold and the whole point is to stay warm not necessarily dry❤❤

[@richardbox6757]

Yep, in warm PNW conditions, you quickly reach the point where you would be soaked with sweat even with no rain at all. My current clothing setup is a set of clothes that is all wool or synthetic, where even if I went and jumped in a creek I would still be warm enough, and the clothes would still feel comfortable. (Unlike clingy cotton) Add some water proof bags in my pockets, and I can go walking into a creek if I want to...

[@camp0017]

Merino wool thermal shirt or sweatshirt + outer layer of breathable membrane. This always works for me. Merino wool has the awesome quality that it can take a lot of moisture and still be comfortable, giving the warmth you need. In times when I am not certain about how strong the rain will be, I also take a large poncho to guard me against heavy rainfall. Not all ponchoes are created equal, so it is worth experimenting which one works for you.

[@redspectrenine9632]

The concerns I have with the umbrella for backpacking: 1. Walking with one in windy, not just rainy, scenarios would be cumbersome 2. Umbrellas are mechanical, if it breaks it would be difficult to fix 3. Is it worth the extra weight in my pack if I'm bringing a jacket to setup camp anyway

[@terrywalters5078]

We live in the PNW, we setup a super lightweight tarp over the camp site first. Then we setup our tent and remaining camp elements under it. Everything stays dry and cool.

[@christophergrove4876]

Before you brought up Panchos I thought, gee why not just use a poncho! Decades ago when I was a young man I owned an army surplus Poncho which also had snaps built in around the perimeter and allowed you to snap two ponchos together to make a tent and three ponchos together to make a tent with the ground cloth. That thing was perfect in the rain as it allowed flow of air up underneath and I don't recall ever being particularly sweaty in it. I also wore a wide-brimmed hat with it.

[@azdcxdf]

Always having an umbrella when hiking. Having some raincoat too in case of a heavy wind or when I need 2 hands to climb.