Closing arguments in Robert Telles trial

Closing arguments expected to begin today in the trial of Robert Telles.

[@khrcar6596]

Has anyone ever been so obviously guilty in the history of the universe..?!? He looks like a demented, evil version of the household cleaner character “Mr Clean” If someone wasn’t dead - it would be comical how obviously guilty he is …

[@teresagagnon3523]

OJ Simpson, for example?

[@sonnestt]

Um ... Oj trial comes to mind...or perhaps you're too young to have experienced that...FACT: a woman SAW him leaving Nicole's condo but because she sold her story to the natl enquirer so her testimony was precluded....kato clearly covered for him .... disgusting

[@tracievendetta1908]

Tony Todt. Jodi arias. This boob. Scott Peterson. Todd Kendhammer. Etc 😂

[@2nd_of_3]

I was thinking a Grub.. Bear Grills eat a couple on his show 🤢 I imagine if you could zoom in on its face, you’d see Robert.

[@ronnie8984]

@@teresagagnon3523the police mishandled OJ’s evidence so egregiously that it wasn’t an open-and-shut case the way this one is. I also think OJ is 100% guilty but he’s probably also the luckiest man to ever live.

[@christinecaronnabeard1369]

Jeff didn’t cause Rob to lose his job. Rob caused Rob to lose his job. All Jeff did was shed light on the misuse and abuse of Rob’s position.

[@johndough23]

1:57:00 the Prosecutor contradicts your assumption.

[@rags619]

“It exposed things that he did not want the public to know”, so yes, Christine is right, it shed light on his abuse. None of this would have happened if he was a good person, starting with his coworkers filing a complaint and going to Jeff in the first place.

[@christinecaronnabeard1369]

@@johndough23I understand why you say that but the prosecutor was spelling out for the jury what Rob’s motive was for the murder. Jeff’s articles flowed from Rob’s own professional and personal misconduct so, but for Rob’s criminal and unethical behaviors, Jeff would never have written about Rob and might still be alive today. Sad but true.

[@tracycottrell5146]

If polly prissy pants didn't turn a happy, functioning office into hell, he wouldn't be on his way to prison. Imagine a bass saying, " while I was lunching in the backseat with a coworker I decided I don't want any off you talking to each other while your at work" how petty and paranoid of this little munchkin

[@johndough23]

@@tracycottrell5146 So you admit they conspired to have him removed? so as to protect their little side hustle of stealing assets from dead people? Telles inquired about these fencing relationships. Not long afterwards they called German and the rest is history.

[@felineoverlordservant2419]

When the prosecutor called Telles a lame duck I died laughing. Inside that insecure little man’s head, he was seeing red and had to fight to keep that perma-confused gaze on his face… you know the one he decided to go with as his performance face for the jury…It was an interesting and strange choice.

[@jooliagoolia9959]

Also when he said he acted crazy on the witness stand. I think I saw steam come out of his ears 😂 😂 😂

[@iselaruiz898]

Do you happen to know the timestamp of that part?

[@iselaruiz898]

@@jooliagoolia9959 Do you happen to know the timestamp of that part?

[@jooliagoolia9959]

@@iselaruiz898 I sure don't... I just remember the look on Telles 's face looking differently scary. It was his own attorney so it shouldn't be too hard to find? It was not in the beginning

[@felineoverlordservant2419]

@@iselaruiz898 2:05:34 he starts the argument that leads up to “lame duck” @ 2:06:03. It’s hilarious. 😂

[@mamazita00]

He’s also an attorney? 😳 did he really think that narrating his story without any supporting evidence will work? 🙄

[@omayrasdemesne]

i believe his experience is in civil but yeah he's delusional.

[@johndough23]

How else was he to enter the information about Compass Realty? the massive probate scam going on? the stealing of intestate property of the dead? Metro and the DA seem uninterested when told of the situation. Is it your claim none of that mattered? maybe not because what does matter is actually fairly simple...pictures of a driver with black hair.

[@Thornspyre81]

And he was a freaking Public Administrator. His behavior was so silly, like he thought he was a Senator or something.

[@rags619]

@@Thornspyre81Well, he wanted to become governor one day…I have a feeling any votes for him in the future will be for best prison B.

[@kass794]

Would have worked if he didn’t take the stand because of the close up video would have put reasonable doubt 🤦‍♀️

[@Boyso5407]

I can’t say enough good things about Prosecutor Hamner. His cross examination and his closing arguments were pretty much flawless. His ability to stay focused and talk in such a direct, yet concise, manner without ever really stumbling was really impressive. He doesn’t pause or hesitate at all while, it’s just rapid fire and it all goes so smoothly. He’s really good and he’s also very engaging. Very impressive work

[@MsSista77]

The prosecution's closing was fantastic! Especially the rebuttal. I'm so glad Hamner specifically pointed out Telles' demeanor while testifying and not just what he said but also how he said it. He was pointing out all the signs of deception.

[@vaedadia2280]

Excellent closing arguments from the male prosecutor. Bless him. For Jeff!

[@MsJenniferTerry]

From both of the prosecutors!

[@LuColdFactsB]

What’s his name? He is awesome!!!

[@Siberialoverhere]

​@@LuColdFactsB100 facts

[@lady.leo12]

ugh why does he keep making those stupid faces during the prosecutor's closing argument? I hope the jury finds him guilty.

[@Kassel1982]

I really like this prosecutor! Leaves no stone unturned.

[@ChuckRosseel]

My grading of the closing arguments: Prosecuting attorney Pam Weckerly, Grade: A ....She gave a solid closing argument. Extremely well done. Defense attorney Robert Draskovich: Grade B+... C'mon, he had nothing to work with but made an excellent closing. (The first question from the jury while deliberating was how can they zoom in on videos? Recall that Draskovich zoomed in on two videos showing the killer's profile with a full head of hair and a profile dissimilar to Robert Telles'.) Chief Deputy District Attorney Christopher Hamner: A+... Outstanding, powerful. He nailed it and hopefully, the jury will nail Telles.

[@ronnie8984]

Look at Telles’ reaction to the State pointing out his weird little walk at 2:11:35 hahahahaha

[@gingersmith2888]

I was going to say the same thing! The look on his face after the prosecutor said that was hilarious 😂 What a blow to his ego!

[@michaelkaniecki1998]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Sparkplug2286]

It was the “little” part - it had to be. He’s an insecure tiny man who just had his bitty little baby man legs pointed out as weird in front of a whole room of people and cameras. I loved it. I absolutely loved that part so much. 😂 The prosecutor had to know that comment - along with calling him a lame duck a few times - would just piss him right off. I really like that prosecutor. ♥️

[@Sparkplug2286]

I F’ing loved when the prosecutor talked about his “little walk”. 😂😂 He’s an insecure tiny man who just had his bitty little baby-man legs pointed out as weird in front of a whole room of people and cameras. I loved it. I absolutely loved that part so much. 😂 The prosecutor had to know that comment - along with calling him a lame duck a few times - would just piss him right off. I really like that prosecutor. ♥️ Psychotic little garden gnome.

[@alicesmith6750]

The gait along with his murder attire were well paired.

[@Kassel1982]

What’s up with this “Nicole,” woman backing him up? She was the only one to testify in support, no family, wife, friends, nobody came to support him…

[@HeatherBucciachio]

Sounds like another office romance 😉

[@Kassel1982]

@@HeatherBucciachio my shocked face 😵‍💫

[@glowindark64]

She is who/were?

[@jeffreyknight3884]

His wife came in and she talked about how he's a good father.

[@Kassel1982]

@@jeffreyknight3884 on impact statements lol, not to testify in his behalf.

[@Thornspyre81]

After Rob Yelled and Darrell Brooks, Id tell any aspiring murderers not to drive a red SUV when committing your crime. Especially when a million cameras are around.

[@shu788888]

He’s SOoo expressive like a little kid 😂😂

[@shu788888]

His cringy face is so annoying and funny at the same time 😂

[@ellafacebooktruecrimecases3644]

Why doesn’t anyone else see porky the pig in human form!!!

[@Peachykeene205]

😂😂😂now that you said it that’s all I see

[@wardee549]

Elmer Fud

[@jaggerbushOG]

2:10:30 that girl cant stop laughing BECAUSE ITS RIDICULOUS 😂😂

[@jooliagoolia9959]

Telles will be moved to second place very soon of longest rambling defendant by Suitcase Sarah. She has written almost limitless letters to the judge and has to represent herself from going thru 8 attorneys.

[@LADYMONA]

Them two should be the jail love birds.

[@LindaFranco-w4d]

Yup. Another murdering delusional narcissist

[@scottwalker2980]

i am so looking forward to seeing his face when the guilty verdict comes back

[@Debthouse]

Do you think it will be different than the expression he exhibits whenever concrete objective evidence or logical salient arguments are presented that clearly implicate his direct involvement in these allegations (i.e. for the vast majority of this trial)? An expression that is a blend of "how preposterous!" and "please, I am _the_ smartest person in human history, you are a fool for crossing me."

[@davidschneide5422]

“FRAMED…by Robert Telles” - jury verdict, preliminary book title

[@MelanieMcneill-ph8yz]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@annette2892]

😂🤣😂🤡

[@zeearcher1360]

Looking forward to his reaction to a GUILTY verdict. Wonder how long it will take the jury on this one, that guy is whack, those stupid expressions he makes, that lip smack when he talks, life without parole!

[@jooliagoolia9959]

As long as it takes to fill out the paperwork 📄 🖋

[@garymarshall615]

DNA of the deceased under his fingernails no ifs ands or buts this man is guilty

[@johndough23]

Easily planted. The State already admitted testimony showing CSI could not even remember who bagged the hands. Photos of the body with unbagged hands in an office not 50 yards from the PA office on Shadow Lane. They also submitted info they removed a bandaid from Telles finger. Did what with the old bandaid? full of his DNA?

[@ShutTheMuckUp]

Other way around, but yes.

[@johndough23]

one hand filthy the other squeaky clean with a perfect profile of Telles and German, amazing luck. I also needed to post this twice since the first one was deleted by the channel owner.

[@colonel-h2b]

Outstanding job Prosecutors!!!!! Thank you for your service!!! Sorry, to all involved!!

[@roxdarmurray6634]

After watching literally hundreds of trials, this guy is an outstanding prosecutor!! He & the Chandeler Halderson (male) prosecutor are the ONLY 2 that are genuine, competent & not corrupt. Well Done!👏👏 So refreshing.

[@mya200014]

Add the Shanda Vander Ark prosecutor to the list 😁

[@geroldmcnomency3800]

So if you don't want to watch all 2 and a half hours of this, here is what was covered in a nutshell. The prosecution said, "Here is what happened, how he did it, how we found him, and the evidence that ties it all together." The defense responded with, "Um.. Nuh uh.."

[@powerpopjoey]

Concerning the shadowy profile supposedly not matching Telles by showing the driver had hair on his head: Light and shadow can do strange things to a perceived object or person depending on the angle it's viewed from. As an example, people claim that they see faces and pyramids on Mars, until the same area is viewed from a different angle and the truth is revealed. What looks like hair on the profile could be something as simple as a pair of sunglasses resting on the head, or a cap, or even NOTHING but a simple trick of light and shadow. There is an extremely large amount of evidence in this case that points the finger at Telles as the murderer. A blurry, shadowy profile is not evidence to the contrary.

[@leannewoodman7066]

He's reminiscent of Anthony todt

[@Couscous77]

It may just be the difference in appearance between the two but Todt seems truly mentally deranged to have lived with the deceased in the home continuing on with his affairs. The big baby on trial here is completely lucid and sane.

[@leannewoodman7066]

@@Couscous77 but still a narcissistic arrogant and condescending git ...

[@elizabethantoine9652]

Great comparison ! And I hope this fool ends up where Todt the rodent is

[@chilo8187]

@@Couscous77Psychopathy isn’t sanity

[@kathybullot9116]

YES totally

[@christinecaronnabeard1369]

What say you about Rob’s DNA under Jeff’s fingernails, Mr. “No blood on Rob’s clothing or car”??? Most underwhelming closing argument from the defense ever.

[@ronnie8984]

They couldn’t change the facts of the case, unfortunately. I’m sure they begged RT to take a plea deal and he refused.

[@tracievendetta1908]

I can’t believe his wife is standing by him

[@clubfillerspinkknickers9791]

Why shouldn't she?

[@tracievendetta1908]

@@clubfillerspinkknickers9791 would you?? He cheated. And worse! Murdered a man!!🤷‍♀️🥴

[@lisawhite4698]

@@clubfillerspinkknickers9791because he was having an affair and most likely killed a man that reported on the affair as well as other issues in his office.

[@clubfillerspinkknickers9791]

@@lisawhite4698 She's still his wife, it shows she's loyal unlike most women.

[@heathercreighton9613]

​@@clubfillerspinkknickers9791 it shows she's weak. A strong woman stands up for truth and decency.

[@GeistView]

Hair! LMFAO! It's a reflection on the window. When you watch the video and stop it not where the defense wants you to see but the rest of it you don't see "hair".

[@Funraiser]

He was probably wearing a wig for the murder anyways

[@DavidDeeble]

Would it have killed him to stuff a pillow inside his orange disguise to give him a gut?

[@MelanieMcneill-ph8yz]

I'm surprised the guy didn't write, I'M NOT ROBERT TELLES, on the back after his bright orange jacket! 😂

[@MelanieMcneill-ph8yz]

Of, not after. Lol

[@DavidDeeble]

@@MelanieMcneill-ph8yz English grammar is on my side on this one. Would you say “Of you killed him?”

[@tracycottrell5146]

​@@MelanieMcneill-ph8yzthat's where he went wrong. 😀

[@jaggerbushOG]

Whoops! 1:46:34 Catch that? Knifing someone to death requires pure anger and rage. Unlike shooting someone, its very personal. He would have known who was attacking him. Had he lived long enough he would have identified him as his killer.

[@2nd_of_3]

Sociopathic behavior. They’re going to LOVE having a REAL jailhouse lawyer 😂

[@na7845]

I doubt many in there are exactly in need of a probate attorney. 😅

[@jessieb4703]

“Here’s the thing” never gets old from the male prosecutor.

[@josedeleon2866]

What say you jury? So , so, so GUILTY!! SAY HI TO ANNIE!!! LOL

[@InAnotherTimeGirl]

At the end after the prosecutor showed that video, Telles looks like he’s saying to himself, “DAMN, he nailed that rebuttal!” He looked so defeated and resigned.

[@christinecaronnabeard1369]

Mr. Prosecutor: Stop giving Rob credit for his heinous and criminal behavior. He’s not nearly as smart (wasn’t he supposedly an IT guy at one time??) as you keep saying he is. He’s a murderer and a loser.

[@HeatherBucciachio]

Mic droppppp. ❤

[@gailkirk4024]

Love the prosecution 😊

[@VaeluX]

57:11 When you don't believe your own BS when you hear someone else say it.

[@PugFaceMusic]

He gives hard working gardeners a bad name.

[@janethoward1161]

Shortest verdict i know was 10mins..lets see what this jury does lol

[@davidschneide5422]

I believe it could be 60 seconds, but the jury is smart enough not to give him any appeal arguments, so they’ll take their time reviewing the jury instructions. I hope they have a good laugh amongst themselves while recounting his testimony together as they sift through the pile of damning evidence.

[@johnnygorena5318]

I hate the fact that Rob Telles has that look of bewilderment on his face when the lady is reading off all the facts that clearly indicate he killed Mr German.., he thinks he’s the smartest man in any room he walks into.

[@LADYMONA]

AWWW Rob was heartbroken his own conduct got exposed while holding the position of public servant he has to increase his medication.

[@jillhoover3580]

Mr. Telles had some good attorneys. It is just too bad that he is not a good person. He is just not believable!!! Rest in Peace Jeff! The Prosecutor spoke well for Jeff.

[@user-nb9od6dg4v]

Beware of orange ninja landscaper with murder forethought in the afternoon.

[@pentiuman]

He looks tired, worried and hopelessly hopeful.

[@editharubio-bk3qb]

He better drink that coffee now coz he will have a cold nasty coffee all his life

[@JoeMacStevens]

1:18 if Mr. Telles, would have shut up and let his lawyer handle it he may have had a case

[@steelhurricane4041]

He could have chicken fried recipe in his head memorized.

[@MsJenniferTerry]

And if that were the case he would have said so. The defense had every opportunity to directly refute that testimony and all they came up with was the family had a laptop that didn't get seized- as if he clunked a laptop out to the kitchen instead of conveniently using his phone. Not a single word about having memorizes the recipe.

[@lailag100]

I love this prosecutor! The sass, the sarcasm, is amazing!

[@jooliagoolia9959]

There are basically two kinds of defendants. First shows every way possible it couldn't possibly be them. Second is only poking holes in the states case. Telles is the second and most likely to be found guilty with zero proof he wasn't anywhere near there.

[@Maritza-z4j]

This Telles is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt… besides that this Judges hair is so confusing 🫤. I swear it looks like she just got out of bed.

[@HeatherBucciachio]

Bahahahahaha omg I thought maybe she had a rough night but nope, day 2 hair the same lol.

[@elizabethantoine9652]

@@HeatherBucciachioher hair is fried from the dumb blonde dye

[@kathybullot9116]

It must be really difficult to do it’s a mess everyday 😂

[@stephaniesamra7960]

😂😂😂 that’s hilarious 😆

[@MADDcartman]

I’m not familiar with this case. As sad as it sounds I knew this guy was guilty within the first 5 min. Why would you do research on your work computer about your victim. Then drive around in broad daylight. Did he also have his cell phone on him at the time of attack? I wouldn’t be surprised. Edit: ok I finished the video he didn’t take his cellphone. What a mastermind.

[@l23918]

Cant imagine having to defend a murderer when the evidence is right in front of our eyes. He could wear a wig and glasses..he is not that stupid

[@spiritwarrior6350]

WHO (?) in this world would EVER think a “ professional assassin” would wear bright orange shirt, big straw hat & go back to crime scene ! 🙀😜& thays coming from a LAWYER ?!!! give me a break 🤬

[@hoss-lk4bg]

strange guy

[@WYGTYA]

I am appaled that he can still be elligible for parole when he it is proved that he went to the gym right after the murder! No remorse at all...

[@mellemellbc]

If anyone’s face is gonna get stuck like that…. 😂 What an absolutely vile individual.

[@CityofPresidentsQuincy]

He is absolutely a joke. When state is giving closing, all he does is shake his head incredulously. “They are wrong”. With his head in hand and fingers! However, when his lawyer is speaking- he is upright and listening with no head moves. “Yep, that’s right my lawyer is telling the truth”- also, his dopey 2 lawyers should be whispering to him- “stop the facials and shaking of the head- you are ridiculous!!! (I can’t wait to be done with this cartoon character!! Never met him, but I hate him!

[@kathybullot9116]

Weirdest shiftiest eyes 👀 and mannerisms I’ve ever seen. He’s creepy 😳

[@8Os4daladies]

Now post guilty verdict he’s still chatting to the media he’s innocent!!’ Even his mother knows he’s guilty!

[@BartendressTwin]

The prosecuting team needs champagne. R.T. really worked them. And their nerves.😢

[@shawnmaria9064]

The state did a great job! I felt my nerves being worked when listening to that moron, RT, on the stand. His asinine explanations for all of the evidence against him was almost comical….only a self absorbed narcissist would say the crap he did LOL!! Very happy he was found guilty!

[@jamie.777]

The THUMBnail is Priceless, a human thumb with thick eyebrows

[@shawnmaria9064]

😂😂😂

[@Ayoosi]

Telles should be locked up just for that haircut

[@shawnmaria9064]

What “haircut” lol 😂 I’m just kidding, I know what you mean! 😄

[@deborahleone4351]

I’ve said this in every section of this trial, no sense stopping now!.......Mr. Telles appears SO shady, I wouldn’t trust him if he were my lawyer. And no one can help what God gave them for “looks”, but you don’t have to make it worse! His scalp skin is stretched tighter than a bongo Drum, then the line of delineation to forehead is extremely wrinkled. Looks don’t make the person. But he just plain LOOKS MEAN. One of his female employees said Telles would “go off” over the smallest thing! He berated his staff and sometimes would speak to you, sometimes not. He had a favorite in the office. He’s a braggart and a narcissist. None of these makes him a murderer, but have no doubt - Telles seems like he would do just about anything to “win” his side. Very strange looking, almost Alien in appearance.......I believe he’s guilty because of the ridiculous “story” he came up with to cover his A _ _!

[@holz_name]

The video evidence showing the killer with supposed hair and glasses is the best and only rebuttal the defense managed. But it's too blurry. I don't think the jury will be swayed by this.

[@LatriciaJohnson]

Mr clean is guilty

[@patrickbuildsit]

I was surprised they never mentioned the aftermarket taillights on the Denali - with clear outer glass instead of red. That was more identifying and unique than the stock wheels and faded trim (they all do that after ten years.)

[@Funraiser]

Very good point.

[@SiljCBcnr]

Pretty elaborate framing scheme, I like the murder outfit best. Bright orange west and a giant straw hat, legendary.

[@elizabethantoine9652]

This is NOT looking good for you Rob

[@frelnc]

BUT - the man in the Denali that looks like he is wearing glasses and has hair is NOT evidence.

[@shawnmaria9064]

You’re right, it’s not

[@janewaterfield648]

The collection of all camera footage was excellent.

[@Sam16mee]

Has his wife filed for divorce?

[@magillagorilla6153]

That reporter believed so much in the cause he was willing to be the sacrificial lamb. Man it's sad it took thousands of people and millions of dollars and someone dying to take down telles. 😂😂 what was he smoking when he told his attorney that this is his defense? 😵‍💫

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

They're taking more than one hour... this is crazy.

[@AshleyNord]

Doesn’t mean they haven’t made a decision already. It’s better they take their time in order to reduce any future chances of appeal.

[@tinalyn5752]

Why was this fool shaking his head "No" when she said he was stabbing that man on the video footage

[@xjumpmaster82]

1:40:00 Anyone can get a Wig and fake glasses. He already disgusted himself as a utility worker or gardener. That is not enough evidence to say that's not him.

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

Crazy how they're taking so long...

[@AshleyNord]

Taking their time reduces options for him when it comes to appeal later on.

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

@@AshleyNord maybe... but still unnerving.

[@elizabethantoine9652]

@@panaceiasuberes6464they just did the closing the jury has to review the evidence

[@gaylebaker8419]

Lizzie Borden took an axe to her father and stepmother. She did not get any blood on herself.

[@heathercreighton9613]

She was covered in blood. She washed it off. You are not very bright.

[@christinecaronnabeard1369]

What’s with the yellow ties?

[@kevinluu2003]

Didn't you get the memo? It's yellow tie day

[@heathercreighton9613]

Tie a yellow ribbon...

[@levdavid2412]

Everything about the case was taped for the jury to see, the planning was taped, the journey to the crime scene was taped. the crime itself was taped, the alibi creation at fitness center Planet was taped, how often does it happen that everything about the case is taped for me to see, it is very rare....

[@bellamarley9455]

The male prosecutor is a savage

[@peggycousins6153]

What time do they begin tomorrow?

[@PugFaceMusic]

If the hair doesn't fit, you must acquit.

[@Funraiser]

😄🤣

[@Braney-ku1py]

29:11 29:12 they're really going to like him in prison.

[@gailrenee3166]

He was wronged by the dog kept in the cage. Dogs want to be free to see you come home from views at the window. This would be an excellent way to get even with your boss. There is a small chance this guys innocent but we will never know in a world full of liars, killers and sinister minds.

[@HeatherBucciachio]

You never know what juries will do 😮

[@lantlavoer6653]

02:34:05. Seems very proud of that.

[@carolynthornton8017]

IN MY VIEW Last I heard you have to be careful showing emotions responding to testimony against you. This guys responses were over the top!

[@laurahale9309]

He tried to create reasonable doubt

[@laurahale9309]

Did he just say a woman was young and blond?

[@fidelabc123]

He killed a guy and still didn't skip leg day

[@na7845]

Colleagues who saw him walk regularly for years disagree

[@mihnster1362]

I watch a lot of these court cases and by far this guy is up there being the dumbest person ever

[@im1ub12]

He always looks so fuckin scary looking. His facial expressions and just the way he blinks etc are all so creepy

[@TheKoolbraider]

If looks could kill: 2:52:33 and see what Mr. German saw at the very last. This is one evil dude.

[@lisamesserli7501]

Why couldn't they get the gps from his yukon?

[@Acidandrain0]

Likely was incompatible with berla

[@Thornspyre81]

I think he doubled back to make sure Jeff was dead.

[@tracycottrell5146]

Mini me is going down

[@edu456]

The look of disgust on his face he thinks is going to convince jurors he's innocent. Since they're taking so long, maybe it did. The other man in the orange shirt, short sleeves btw, was a random construction worker. Something is seriously wrong with the jury system in this country.