Sandy Munro Dishes on 4680, Cybertruck, & the Competition

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[@michaelgirard5984]

That was refreshingly concise. Thank you both!

[@JosephWolfgram]

Good job on this interview with Sandy... Great questions, and you actually stopped to LISTEN to his answers without interrupting him! Nicely done.

[@williamgrunzweig571]

Nice interview. Ty Sandy. It's pretty neat to see how Tesla is developing new battery technology and other manufacturers are also developing new form factors. I'm just guessing, it feels like Tesla is the whole reason so much RnD is being done towards energy storage and mediums. The rate of development is very promising.

[@jdcarguy1242]

Keep up the short and sweet promos. Sandy is always great content!

[@greggrant4614]

Thanks for Sandy's review of the Sakuu battery. Need many more details, like regarding the internal resistance, as well as thermal management, energy density and cyclelife vs. C-rate of discharge/charge and temperature.

[@FutureAzA]

Not sure how much of that info will be published. They spend a fortune creating those engineering reports.

[@deanmcmanis9398]

You might want to watch Sandy's channel. The new Sakuu, non-metal battery is still in development. Sandy broke the story of its existence. And it seems very exciting, but we aren't likely to see any specs or details for a while. You can check out their Lithium metal batteries, which are pretty amazing as well, and fully developed, with the specs and testing revealed.

[@commuterbranchline8132]

A great guest and episode, well done Brian!

[@vincentdeleonjr1039]

thank you both

[@MrGMawson2438]

Sandy is a good guy

[@edwardhackett-jones8126]

Sandy’s always astoundingly good value!

[@Radio_FM_3123]

The voltage of a battery depends on the chemistry of the battery itself, in other words, it depends on the pair of anode and cathode materials.

[@josephgallagher1440]

Oh yea this is a game changer! I saw Sandy’s other more detailed video on the Sakuu battery and it’s amazing! This also provides better recycling functionality.

[@anibalaguilarperez29]

VERY good explanation!!! ✨

[@YouTube_can_ESAD]

Wait, is t Sandy Munro the clown that raved about the CyberTruck? Dude, it’s a total piece of crap vehicle… Zero respect for Sandy, none.

[@garyrooksby]

We love both Sandy and Brian

[@davidr3246]

Great episode.

[@highlanderapparel]

Awesome interview Brian, the Highlander😊

[@BTSflyer]

Sakuu does a dry process too with its batteries.

[@LJ-jq8og]

GREAT VIDEO💪❤

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers guys

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THANKS BRIAN FOR FINALLY SHARING THIS ONE ☝️ AND WE ALREADY WATCHED SANDY’s TOUR 🤯💚💚💚

[@rogerstarkey5390]

SOME of us already watched the tour. Its quite obvious some didn't (and maybe won't)

[@JeffWusch]

So if it is roll to roll manufacturing, the sakuu battery is revolutionary. But cost to manufacture is always the kicker in new tech

[@rogerstarkey5390]

I wondered (out loud, on line) years ago... "What if you could Photocopy a battery electrode?" . This MIGHT be it. . (And yes, I do know a little on the subject)

[@mikesevgarage]

Great questions and very interesting answers. Great video!

[@FutureAzA]

You've seen first hand the kind of time I dedicate to prep. Glad it shows in the finished product.

[@pangert1]

Sandy, my AAA 1200 MAH batteries have the same voltage as my D Cell batteries 10,000 MAH. Voltage is the same, but not the power! 😅 Though you should know! 😅

[@loucatozzi7656]

"Sandy, I appreciate you coming on and sharing ALL that you know..." Now that would be an interesting, but very long, video. 😃

[@howardholt3530]

Buffalo sandy knows a whole lot of stuff!

[@Techridr]

I was hoping Sandy had a thought on Tesla moving to 48 volts on more vehicles. < Speaking of weight savings. I think the "Juniper" Y might be a good opportunity for 48v and drive by wire, but I have a feeling Tesla is so busy with so many other projects that the next Y will likely be only refreshed as much as the "Highland" 3. I also understand that the price point is as important as anything for the Y, but they do have to sell in a more competitive market in 2025 and beyond so I'd expect even more than the 3 "refresh" gave us.

[@andrewsaint6581]

They're working on it. Everything out of Tesla wil be 48v from now on. They published and spammed every other car maker with their "How to do 48v" pdf. Jim Farley confirmed Ford got theirs. This is to make the supply chain grow fast enough. Imo Tesla and the Chinese will be there first. Kind of as usual, then.

[@Techridr]

​@@andrewsaint6581 I just don't think so. Until there is a new platform, current refresh vehicles like Model Y "Juniper" will likely not change yet. Look at the "Highland" Model 3. I hoped 48v would happen there, but on a refresh, it likely doesn't make economic sense, so 14.8v remains as it will with the Y. Yeah, the 48v PDF that went to other OEMS happened last year. None of them will make the change anytime soon. Look at Rivian. They just announced a lot of great changes but they're still on 12v. It's going to take time

[@highlanderapparel]

Brian, if you want to do a deep dive on this, you can check out the Budd wheel company out of Detroit well out of Philadelphia. I was a non-degree engineer at Budd wheel for years and we invented the gluing metal parts together and we gave away everything to the big three and others just to get their contracts, if you ever have the time just start looking in the Budd wheel, you’d be amazed, your buddy the Highlander😊

[@Jojo-o6o6w]

all the benefits Sandy stated about that new batt sound too good to be true. I'll believe it when I see it

[@chrisbraid2907]

It’s still in process so we wait and see …

[@ConnectingODots]

I do believe it, just that prototypes are easy, production is hard

[@Dularr]

Make a Cybertruck that limits towing to 6,000 pounds.

[@4literv6]

Has tesla said what the upcoming single motor rwd with 250+miles for 60k in 2025 will be limited to towing? Most of my rwd f-150 xl work trucks are only rated to tow 5,000-7,500#

[@nononsenseBennett]

When I saw Sandy's video on this new battery I was so excited! It's a revolutionary change and a huge game changer. I hope Tesla adopts it.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The phrase is "Has great potential (battery pun?) to be a huge game changer"

[@andrewsaint6581]

Brian. You've made it! The crapto spambots have discovered your page.

[@FutureAzA]

They've always been here, I just usually get them filtered out

[@Voidroamer]

i wish you had asked about all that empty room in the pack! maybe a long range trim in the future? also im excited about those new pouch batteries, but how long to market? and in teslas?

[@johnfrancis4401]

Great stuff.

[@pathfollower]

Elon has stated they can use any kind of battery in their cars. Perhaps they could buy or license the tech of this new battery. I just wish they had access to the new CATL batteries in early testing and production.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Since Tesla is their largest customer CATL probably "looks after" Tesla as a ("THE"?) "trusted customer"? (Especially after the "pulling back" debacle)

[@JRlabeaux]

All depends on cost per kw. CATL new batteries have promising specs, however I haven’t heard anything on costs.

[@marinonacci1816]

CATL has 18,000 people working in R&D, 250 of those have Phd's.

[@FutureAzA]

That's amazing.

[@Iamthedude-is5ov]

The zoom in on the face is crazy.

[@MrGMawson2438]

No big battery needed wow saku 👍

[@Lse380]

Tesla now offera a 50 mile additional range via Software Update for model y rwd owners. (1000$)

[@4literv6]

With the asp up over 12% in 2024 vs 23 for tesla thanks to getting the ct ramp going well(outselling Ford's rivian&gm ev trucks already. 😀 Adding in the model Y lr rwd&m3 highland lr rwd trims with full tax credit eligibility. I bet q3&q4 are gonna be bangers for tesla. Should end 2024 at 1,900,000+evs sold maybe even 2,000,000! 👍🏻

[@Barskor1]

Skauu has a 705 ish million dollar evaluation I would love to see Tesla buy them if their tech is up to snuff.

[@TheLobo91]

Sakko chemistry seems very stable hopfully the density is better than 4680. I think tesla will just make their cells taller or hopfully switch to square lfp cells for cheaper vehicles. We need usa based LFP. Their LFP vehicles have basically the same range as their 2170 cars. We need cheaper options that qualify for thw tax credits.

[@FutureAzA]

Tesla is working on domestic LFP production. They bought equipment earlier this year for just that.

[@robertcessaro6201]

What will that square battery mean for the structural battery pack design?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The square "floppy" battery?

[@andrewradford3953]

An armoured box like the cybertruck. Foam to lock them in place. Thermal control will be interesting through plastic.

[@FutureAzA]

Can't see it being structural.

[@rowanbroekman3929]

It looks like an interesting battery, but I still haven't heard much specs. Can they mass produce it? Can they make a battery pack for for example a Tesla model 3?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Research

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

BRIAN,I DON’T THINK 🤔 SANDY BEGAN TO TELL YOU “all he knows “ BECAUSE HE KNOWS ALOT 😁💚💚💚

[@kurtmissotten5965]

Hi Brain. A possible question for Sandy could be, what changes tesla would have to do to make the Cybertruck road legal in Europe. This in regards to pedestrian safety which by itself is utterly ridiculous since any tesla alarms you if you get near one. See you on X! Greetings from Belgium!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"Brian"

[@Decebal825]

wonder how long does the plastic pouch last before it degrades?

[@FutureAzA]

Will be interesting to see.

[@jdcarguy1242]

What does Sandy think the CT will cost to manufacture at full scale?

[@MrQuay03]

Buy his analysis book.

[@Dularr]

Bingo, that is where Sandy makes his money. Cost and supply of the Cybertruck.

[@edwardhackett-jones8126]

These new batteries that he’s talking about - maybe I missed it, but will they work in a structural pack?

[@FutureAzA]

I can't see how, but very few manufacturers use them yet.

[@TeslaOwnersSV]

🤯🤯🤯

[@51bpm]

I believe in the mission... but no longer the man

[@FutureAzA]

It's a growing concern. He's made clear he's not afraid of being hated. Would just be nice if he understood the position of power that comes with a megaphone of that caliber.

[@cmac7384]

Sakuu how many cycles does it last? We're up to 2500 to 3000 on normal batteries.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

According to the report by Sandy last week, its "Chemically Agnostic" requiring a patented proprietary process to prepare the materials for use in this cell. Cycle life should be variable dependent on the chemistry.... As with other cells.

[@4literv6]

Sakuu showed 1,200+cycles and retaining 80-85% of the originally capacity. Check the munro live longer video from a few weeks ago! So at 200 miles of rated range they are good for 250,000+miles easily. 😎

[@ctuna2011]

Get Sandy to comment on the current state of FSD and speculated on Robotaxi maybe.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Sandy tends not to speculate too much.... It's a wise position to take.

[@AbideVibe]

Why won't Elon use Sandy's favorite battery tech?

[@FutureAzA]

It hasn't been commercialized and isn't structural.

[@danharold3087]

The Sakuu w/o metal looks impossible to cool. Is there really so little resistance?

[@xlargetophat]

Sounds like B's to me

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@xlargetophat You'll be an "expert" then?

[@KrustyKlown]

Cylindrical cells NEVER made sense for vehicles. Tesla only used them because that was the only thing available when they started building cars ... making all their processes, mfg equipment, and designs dependant on cylindrical cells. Change is hard, eventually they will switch.

[@dennisboyd1712]

BUY TESLA STOCK Now

[@MTHDCS]

Coming from a Detroit "engineer" that designed cars in the 70's & 80's that rusted out in a year or two and then he blamed management for the Japanese invasion that ensued!

[@FutureAzA]

Do you imagine those were things he had control over?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The usual list of "IMPOSSIBLE" comments from those who haven't actually LOOKED for any more information? . You can find MORE information, of ANY type, MORE easily than ever before. JUST USE THE TOOLS PROVIDED INSTEAD OF ASKING BASIC QUESTIONS OR DISMISSING SOMETHING OUT OF HAND!!? . smh²

[@edmundjakopchek9836]

Hey, AZA10 did not work, only got the 5% discount on my order😥

[@FutureAzA]

I'll message him.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

im just waiting for some consumer gear to use these batteries. less batteries = less fuss.

[@kentkjrgaardjensen4304]

So will tesla keep doing 4680 or will they shift to this new tech? 🤔

[@FutureAzA]

Tesla doesn't appear to be looking at it at this time. If they're market validated they could make their way into China made models. None of those use structural packs.

[@kentkjrgaardjensen4304]

@@FutureAzA ahh true. Tesla need structural packs but maybe these pouches can be made structural as well if the hard adhesive is applied

[@MrGMawson2438]

I only have a small saku

[@FutureAzA]

I feel your pain, brother.

[@keithpeterson9560]

A few things come at me, did Sandy actually mean anodize because anodize is an anodic coating and does not typically conduct? Alodine is a chemical conversion coating and is so thin the metals still conduct which could cause a galvanic response. Second, can the new flat battery double as a structural battery pack as the 4680 cylindrical canister does (dual use)? Last, what is up with Sandy’s body language. He seems to have lost his jubilance and fanboy attitude. Did he get a Ross Gerber type smackdown from someone at Tesla? He publicly stated he thinks vision is not enough for FSD. I believe he said something about inferred heat sensors awhile back.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Have you LOOKED on Munro Live for the battery? smh

[@richardalexander5758]

Two more normal windshield wipers would be a nice update for the CT IMO.

[@aaronbounds1336]

Efficiency decrease with two traditional wipers in the traditional location and orientation on the truck.

[@richardalexander5758]

@@aaronbounds1336 Not if parked in the "up" position, just shorter.

[@Ken.Howard]

"Disses" not "Dishes"!

[@l.p.bilham9852]

cybertruck+sakuu= ?

[@mauinuts8844]

The Sakuu pouch battery still uses Lithium no?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Your first question should be "Is there anything about this on Munro live?" If there was, you MIGHT watch that and see if there was an answer to your question.... Maybe?

[@wonderplanet343]

Intro guitar and “ohhs” are way too loud compared to the voice level. ❤

[@FutureAzA]

Will mention it to the editor.

[@davidhuber6251]

I hate to be pedantic. (I'm lying, I love to be pedantic. I am the Pedant's pedant.) If you google "Diss" vs "Dish" you will find that "diss" is disrespect (which is what I think you meant to say) and "dish" means to prepare and serve up. I'll show myself out.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Bowled over by your critique (😉)

[@ChristoherWGray]

Sure Increase the battery capacity with magic over the air What?

[@FutureAzA]

It isn't magic. It's something Tesla has done in the past, and is currently offering on some models. They software limit the capacity for a variety of reasons, in this case potential degradation, and make a greater percentage available once it's fully tested.

[@xlargetophat]

But what's the caveat? Disadvantage of this battery...

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Maybe research it to find out?

[@xlargetophat]

​@@rogerstarkey5390I'm trying.. but I wish Sandy would lay into it more.

[@xlargetophat]

The new "condensed battery", is looking interesting.. from CATL

[@Liam-ql7tr]

What about the Tesla “graphene” battery?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Specify

[@philipcunio4089]

Sandy has ozembic face. That appears to be how He lost weight.

[@KTPurdy]

Fit and finish on the cybertruck is pathetic.

[@FutureAzA]

I guess I've seen more of them than you have

[@KTPurdy]

@@FutureAzA Get closer

[@jackylsmith8138]

Tesla hasn’t been making batteries a long time. They have had partners that make their batteries. Tesla bought a company with the dry anode and cathode process, took the patents for it and sold the company off. Tesla itself has only made 4680’s and it’s been battery hell.

[@FutureAzA]

Yes!

[@MyUniversalUniversity]

Love Sandy, but he is not always accurate with batteries. I doubt this battery will come out at a less expensive price than current batteries. I am not real smart on batteries, but I have seen at least 5 companies come out with breakthrough tech and nothing has come 3 to 5 years later. We will see!!

[@FutureAzA]

We've seen endless promises of a miracle battery, but they never materialize.

[@BTSflyer]

Sorry but, Tesla is not the end all be all in automotive tech.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

And your credentials to qualify that statement are?

[@BTSflyer]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Many companies invent plenty of cutting edge tech other than Tesla, quit being a Tesla fanboy and open your eyes.

[@FutureAzA]

It's a combination of factors that give them a unique advantage.

[@BTSflyer]

@@FutureAzA That gap in advantage is closing fast. Good to see Mr. Munro recognizing that others companies have great tech too.

[@gegwen7440]

Would any sane person spend their hard earned (?) money buying a Cybertruck well IMO no !

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"Imo"... More than would buy a Lightning (just going by Q2)

[@waynerussell6401]

2 million and counting...

[@mattsparks5957]

I would buy one. Here are a few reasons why: 1 Elon is awesome 2 Tesla is non UAW 3 Cybertruck is most USA made. 4 Tesla is not woke 5 Cybertruck is awesome 6 People hate Cybertruck 7 Joe Biden hates Elon and Tesla 8 Ten year warranty 9 Can charge at home

[@mini2nut67]

Saku for the win!!!

[@YouTube_can_ESAD]

Wait, isn’t Sandy Munro the gentleman that raved about the CyberTruck? Dude, it’s a total piece of crap vehicle… Zero respect for Sandy, none. I purchased a Model 3 thanks to his excited reviews but boy was it a lemon. So thankful to get out from under it… Thanks for spewing lies and pumping my Tesla stock, I funded my retirement from it, but dude is clearly compromised.

[@FutureAzA]

Back to your drawing board, my eager little friend. That damp sack of wet trash wouldn't even sell on facebook, and you're trying the routine here? Among people who actually know better? I want to give you a D-minus just so you pass the class and we don't have to deal with you again, but it's not even on the border. That was a bad, BAD comment.