N. T. Wright on Israel and Palestine

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[@lamegalectora]

‘Indiscriminate bombing’ ???!! This man gets his news from the BBC

[@drmanojkumarkhatore4476]

What if the missiles Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Houti's sent to Israel succeeded? Wouldn't Israel be wiped out considering the firepower that the surrounding nations used against it? Iron Dome and God are protecting Israel. That is why, they survived those heinous attacks. When Israel retaliated in self-defense many people died because their Islamic leaders did not care for their lives. Instead, HHH used innocent people as human shields to protect themselves. Netyanhu is protecting his people. Is Khameni protecting Palestinians or Lebanese people? Or is Khameni getting people killed brutally by waging this pointless war. Is not the two-state solution sufficient? Why do they keep challenging it by attacking Israel repeatedly?

[@johnpinckney7269]

Jerusalem was special in God's heart in the OT and so now today.

[@nerychristian]

Jesus called it the synagogue of Satan

[@doubtunites168]

70 AD. Destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Jesus called it.

[@supersmart671]

Your mind seems hijacked by Darbyism!!

[@davidh.7138]

@@nerychristianno he didn’t. He was referring specifically to the Pharisees of the day who would not accept the work of the Holy Spirit. Sadly, many Christians today do not either, and will not accept the power gifts, but call them the work of the Devil too.

[@TylerDawnRosenquist]

Thank you so much--we can neither read the Bible nor the Headlines assuming that whatever Israel does is right. That's actually the opposite of what the Bible says--they did bad and they did good! They are just as capable of evil as everyone else, and the point is that God uses them but not because they are perfect. He alone is perfect.

[@GerardPerry]

"The whole world is God's holy land." Ah, yes. That explains why when He returns, his foot will cleave the Scottish Highlands and rule his millennial kingdom from Edinburgh.

[@benandolga]

Probably yes but probably no because new Jerusalem is in spiritual realm but not physical! Forget about shadow of things spiritual

[@FelixLaManna]

The Scots are the apple of His eye

[@WorshipinIdols]

Lol

[@theacts17accord]

The whole earth belongs to the Lord, but Israel has been given to Israel, set apart = holy

[@ishiftfocus1769]

Today Israel is not enjoying their covenanted political status over the Gentiles and has fallen from their spiritual status before God. This has led some to think that they will not be reestablished in their former position. During Paul’s ministry the Romans knew that Israel was promised a kingdom where they would reign over the Gentiles. Christ had come, but Israel’s salvation had not. They began to doubt whether the promises to Israel would have any real effect. This is far from the truth! Paul dispels this idea in chapters 9, 10, and 11 of Romans beginning with, “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.” - Romans 9:6 Perhaps they reasoned as Covenant theologians today that God had replaced Israel with the Gentile church and that the ‘eternal’ covenants made with Israel were indeed only temporary. Also like Covenant theologians today these Romans needed a better understanding of the mystery information given to Paul. “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. “ - Romans 11:25 Some Romans may have thought that God had cast away Israel, his people, forever. - Romans 11:1 Contrarily Paul teaches that their blindness is only temporary and will only last “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” - Romans 11:25 Just as natural branches will be graffed back into their own tree so “all Israel shall be saved: as it is written.” - Romans 11:26 Though Gentile salvation in this dispensation is a glorious manifestation of the grace of God, the fullness of times will be greater still. “Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” - Romans 11:12

[@garywebb9362]

If, as you say, "Christ had come, but Israel’s salvation had not," then Acts 2 never happened!!! Peter said, "This is that..." ~Gary

[@TogelTr]

@@garywebb9362 Israel's salvation clearly has not come... evidence? They were punished!! cast away for almost 2000 years!!! For what? For rejecting Christ! If they were considered saved, then what was the punishment for??? Your theology just does not match history. Israel was punished because they rejected Jesus Christ, and the New Covenant God offered them through Him. However, God's word will prevail that He will make that New Covenant with the house of Judah and the house of Israel.. even though it took 2000 years!!! Remember, when the Israelites arrived at Canaan, they refused to enter the land out of fear of giants.. what did God do? Did God CANCEL His promise??? No!! He punished the generation that refused to enter.. and let them wait 40 years!! Imagine.. Egypt to Canaan took only a few weeks, not 40 years!!! But after 40 years, God promise was fulfilled. Now, Israel rejected the New Covenant.. but after 2000 years, God's promise WILL PREVAIL! Israel will accept the New Covenant of Jesus Christ, and when this happens, what Paul wrote comes true: Rome 11:15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? You may fail to believe in God's promise.. as many do.. but God is eternal, and His view is not as short as yours...

[@christianfrommuslim]

Professor Wright, can you help? We are called to bring the gospel to Muslims - but Christians' extreme and unconditional attachment to physical Israel creates an obstacle. Sadly, many Christians seem as committed to their eschatology as to the gospel: perhaps more so because they openly stand with an earthly power rather than Christ and the Great Commission. Deuteronomy 1:16,17: Palestinian Christians cry out to us in their suffering. Yet if we speak to defend these brethren, we are accused of supporting terrorism or Islam - the very opposite of the truth! From what you teach, we believe that you understand and sympathize with this situation. What can be done? Please help!

[@FelixLaManna]

Well said but sadly many dispensationists have "only" a false eschatology, and no Gospel whatsoever

[@juhanastenvall9448]

Mr. N.T. Wright, why would Ezekiel 38 talk about people/lands surrounding the geographical nation of Israel (e.g., Persia), if the physical Israel was still not the object of this Ezekiel war (which has never taken place)?

[@alanflood8162]

You seem to be reading Ezekiel 38 with a Zionist hermanutic

[@kublaikhan1253]

@@alanflood8162 You seem to be reading Eze 38 with an anti-Zionist hermaneutic!!!

[@esmemacfarlane7665]

That would be the Right Reverend Professor N T Wright , Bishop of Durham, and Senior research fellow University of Oxford, actually......

[@davidh.7138]

Wright substitutes theology for predicted history. He ignores Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and the rest. He has a right to condemn 7 year future tribulation theory, but not the prophets. We have now arrived at Daniel’s last milestone, whether the reverend likes it or not - the Daniel 1,335th ‘day’, aka 1,335th year since the abomination of desolation of the Temple Mount. That alone identifies the Beast / Antichrist of the Bible he is siding with. We have to decide to accept God’s plan for Israel, or oppose it. He is opposing it.

[@esmemacfarlane7665]

Sadly not everyone follows the theology of J N Darby so we don't have to follow anyone's idea of God's plan for Israel that has been interpreted through his lens.

[@LourensBrink]

Anyone saying that wat Wright teaches is 'replacement theology' completely misunderstands his point and also what the Bible is saying about Jesus being the fulfillment of the promises of God. There is this mistaken view that God has two distinct people, but Scripture does not teach this. I would recommend people listen to Hank Hanegraaf on this issue as well. He goes into far more depth and explains why replacement theology isn't a thing, because God never had two distinct people, but that through Christ everyone is grafted into the tree.

[@yosef6664]

We are two distinct people. You and I. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 ESV - For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw- each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

[@dougbell9543]

With these last days being so dominated by dispensationalism, Thomas Wright’s analysis is like a breath of fresh air. ✔️

[@marcusardern7592]

Intellectual tricks but serious mistakes.for clearer understanding listen to doctor derek prince on Israel

[@marcusardern7592]

For better understanding listen to Dr derek prince

[@tsomers]

​@@marcusardern7592You're pushing a dispensationalist blasphemer with a room-temperature IQ in preference to an intellectual giant such as N. T. Wright. Repent of heresy.

[@naaodey7896]

​@@tsomersThere is no intellectual giant before God. Don't be deceived. All these theologians have their blind spots. NT Wright doesn't know everything and is not right on everything. He's got blind spots.

[@murrayrowley2900]

So many respectable theologians tend to politely discard Israel as an eternally chosen people (perhaps somehow wanting to be themselves more chosen and Israel less chosen?), some question whether modern Israel is a rightful modern state (somehow only crediting the UN for its rebirth in 1948) and others question Israel as a religious source of any major importance (considering all newer religions to be intrinsically better?). But Paul calls for respect toward the jewish heritage and warns against flippancy, in Romans 11 particularly. But many assume the supremacy of Christ the messiah would somehow detract from this heritage and relegate Israel's importance to a secondary position (see the discussion **** below about flippancy, with reference to Genesis 12:3). Amidst all of this there is also the question of God's faithfulness to His eternal covenant with His chosen people (just how eternal can that be? ... would a new second covenant for us be any more secure? ... would God ever allow Himself to change His mind on eternal covenants?). Is Israel perhaps some kind of litmus test for the nations? Are we better than they, and perhaps just wrong in demanding a perfect performance from mere humans, what is the cross for if not for redemption out of our fallen states? All due respect to the jewish nation for the longsuffering they have endured. It may finally be time for gentiles to stop telling jews how to run their lives, we christians are far worse than they. **** Gen 12:3 (the third and fourth Hebrew words) might be translated something like: "and those who treat you lightly, I will curse", or "and those who dismiss you as unimportant, I will curse", or "and those who do not respect you with due honor, I will curse", or ESV: "and him who dishonors you I will curse" ... taken from.... hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/49231/why-does-the-hebrew-switch-in-genesis-123-for-the-same-english-translated-word

[@AaronMiller-rh7rj]

how does Mr. Wright ever intend to discover what part he knows is wrong.

[@flittedacrossmybrain8584]

Brilliant.

[@FrMurse]

Inclusive theories of the atonement each gets part, only part, of the true meaning of the Cross. Bet you blow a gasket with Aulen’s Christus Victor… the original understanding😂😂😂

[@AaronMiller-rh7rj]

@@FrMurse hi, that would not be not a good bet, 🙂

[@2Timothy4.1.4]

N.T Wrong.

[@gregdiprinzio9280]

Native Brits are very frightened right now. Where can British people be safe? What can we do about anti-native Britishism?

[@viboraodalager8818]

Dispensationalism is a red herring.

[@FelixLaManna]

I like to think of it more like a a big, fat, ugly, festering, steaming pile of horse sh*t

[@penarlag1]

And quite delicious it is too

[@arliegage1380]

We live in the Dispensation of Grace.

[@malawiplaces315]

"Indiscriminate bombing"... signed up to the anti semitic lies then.

[@doubtunites168]

brainfog? these are facts that the majority of casualities are civilians. Do you deny that? I think continuing this war will cause plenty of real antisemtism.

[@sputnik77uk]

This is not clear for me. Could someone perhaps summarise what he is/isn’t saying about Isreal?

[@NRay-bt2kj]

Mr. Wright is saying that even though the Old Testament Prophets foretold the restoration of the Jewish people to Israel, and even though Mary was told her child is the Son of the Most High who will reign over Israel forever (Luke 1:30-33), and even though Jesus said Israel will see Him again when they say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD," (Matthew 23:39), and even though God's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob concerning the land was unconditional (Genesis 17:1-8, 26:2-4, 28:13), and so on, Mr. Wright is saying Israel has be rejected by God and replaced with the Gentile church.

[@sputnik77uk]

@@NRay-bt2kj Thank you for taking the time to do that for me. Are you sure he is saying that? He’s making the ‘replacement theology’ case? I never had him down as having that theology. I’m going to have to go back and re-listen.

[@FelixLaManna]

If the "Israel" you are referring to is the modern one established by secular European zionists and the Rothschilds in 1948, then Bible says absolutely nothing about it. In other words, there is nothing prophetically or theologically significant about it whatsoever. It was brought about by the will of the most extremely wicked men ever to have walked this earth - not by God.

[@NorthCountyRealEstateTeam]

With all due to respect o NT Wright, get out of seminary and just read the scripture you’ll see that God intends to bring his people back into the land it is all over the Bible. Paul summarizes this completely in Romans 9-11. You only can come up with this via Seminary not scripture.

[@NiameyThomas9]

@@sputnik77ukhe does not believe in replacement theology

[@kublaikhan1253]

Disturbing that he passes judgement on "innocent" people being killed in the current Gaza-Israeli war as being a war crime. The Geneva Convention clearly allows for civilian deaths in a combat zone. Without knowledge of the specific context in which each death occurs, he is in no position to pass judgement. He is also not taking into account Hamas' intentional tactic to blend civilians, civilian structures and civilian institutions with its own military operations. In doing so, the Geneva Conventions are clear, they lose their civilian immunity. Hence Hamas wears no uniform, so they can't be differentiated from civilians. They wear explosive vests under clothing so not apparently bearing a weapon doesn't make them safe to approach or be approached. White flags have been waved and then IDF units have come under fire from white flag bearers. The western conventions of conduct in war are not respected by Hamas. If we want justice, it must be grounded in careful investigation, evidence carefully weighed and discussion and debate from both a defence and a prosecution. Thc court of public opinion is the worst place to find justice as the first casualty of war, is... the truth. There is plenty of mis- and dis-information out there. Caveat emptor.

[@gwedielwch]

On the London marches - Bishop Wright would actually have found Jewish rabbis walking with other Jews, with Christiansm with Muslims, and with many people of no religious faither - what united us (I am one of the Christians who walked on two of these London marches) - what united us was our attempt to do something to protect the adults and children trapped in Gaza from the terrible suffering and death which is destroying them. These marches are not marches of hate. i watched the great affection expressed towards Jewish people on the marches I was on. The policing was meticulous. The Metropolitan Police Commissioner and his officers have been wonderful. and the marchers have been friendly and appreciative. I do wish that people would not make or repeat untrue statements about other people. In the Gospel of John there is the wonderful passage where Jesus tells his followers that God will send the Holy Spirit to support them - the Spirit of Truth. Lies and deception are very different from God's plan for us. The Commandments handed down to Moses on Sinai say "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour". This is not a trivial commandment. The consequences of spreading untrue allegations can be devastating.

[@phillipsugwas]

I don't see Christians being the people of lament in any of these comments. I see people taking sides and pointing fingers. If Christians don't stand between the combatants and be the people of peace then they are failing in their Kingdom duty. The christian church in the bloodbath that could have been South Africa 30 years ago, separated thd combatants. And peace was found. The love of God for all is not a negotiable position. Hence we lament. We do not justify wrongdoing of any kind.

[@marcusardern7592]

The promise of land is so clear that it cannot be dismissed as a temporary because the whole world belongs to God. Yes He owns the world and it is His plan to give a defined are to Jews. It is Not a mistaken doctrine.god will do exactly as promised.

[@marcusardern7592]

Area

[@ethanlintemuth8023]

God can do both...his salvation reaches the ends of the earth and at the same time God keeps his promises to Abraham that the land of Israel belongs to his descendants forever.

[@arliegage1380]

Hallalujeh Israel, Praise be God❤🎉

[@grantguidroz7640]

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[@janmckenzie]

Amen. I agree.

[@christianfrommuslim]

Yes! It is so good to hear this. Right on about Jesus. Right on about the Jews. Right on about Israel.

[@KevynHarris]

It is not indiscriminate bombing of civilians. The bombing of Hamburg etc. was indiscriminate. That is not what the IDF is doing. It could but hasn't. Wright knows a good deal about Christian Faith and doctrine, and I agree with him on most of it. But he is fortunate enough to know little about the reality of war.

[@Willieswheels]

Are you in the leadership of the IDF? How do you know how they are targeting innocent civilians?

[@KevynHarris]

@@Willieswheels Well, you would see the difference if they were carpet bombing, and it would have been all over by now. What do you know about fighting a war? Very little by your comment. Either that or no matter what they did it would not be okay with you.

[@ranilodicen4460]

this conflict is not about land.. hamas is commiting atrocities in the name of their god and israel is retaliating in the name of their god too.. yahweh vs allah!

[@opinion3742]

That is one massively deluded statement. The reality is that the State of Israel is a colonial project, an actual ethnostate committed to genocide. Do some actual research or grow a soul - whichever it is that you are lacking here.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

and because so few people have any clue what the Bible actually says.... the are ALL led astray from the TRUE God!

[@arefinkamal7654]

This conflict is very much about land. The Palestinians were displaced from their homes in 1948 by a bunch of Europeans cosplaying as Semites.

[@ranilodicen4460]

@@arefinkamal7654 there are jews and arabs and druze and samaritans and christians in palestine before 1948... it was not exclusively an arab land.arabs and jews have as much right to the land. the ottoman empire which governs the whole arab world lost in WW1 and europeans carved the middle east into the map we know today. and again arabs in palestine sided with hitler's germany in WW2and lost! arabs lost again and again to israel when they wage war in 1948, 1967 and 1973. to victors belong the spoils of war. whoever wins a war claims the land. that is how warfare works since ancient times

[@ranilodicen4460]

@@arefinkamal7654 and one more thing.. it was the arabs who ordered arabs in palestine area to vacate and evacuate because they are going to wage war to israel and they were sure they will win and those arabs will come back after the war.. but they lost to israel

[@thechurchandthenations]

However the church is revising it's view on replacement theology... Me also so I have not finalized my opinion. Not wright might be a replacement advocate.

[@TheB1nary]

Particularly when the Romans ejected them from the land they now occupy. That’s the historical truth. So the pogrom started way back then, not just in the last several centuries. So it was logical to allow them to get back into their historical land.

[@opinion3742]

2000 years? Who knows who is descended from them? And didn't Christ bring an end to an ethnic claim to the Jewish religion? Besides, what place has an ethnostate in the modern age? Especially one that is just a modern colonial project of the most brutal kind!

[@inTruthbyGrace]

logical ? so the Palestinian home owners in 1948 _had_ to surrender their homes to the Jews? and don;t be mistaken, those Jews came in and sat down at kitchen tables where the body of the home owner and their morning coffee was still warm!! and whose definition of Jew are you using?? God's definition is "he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God" (Rom 2:282-29). ... by your logic the the mexicans can come up from Tijuana and kick the folks out of their homes in SanDiego bc they've only be there a hundred years... the Pima Indians can come take over Scottsdale... you, yourself have no right to your own possessions and home! absurd

[@TheB1nary]

@@inTruthbyGrace You talk of 'home owners' in Palestine like it looked like Gaza as it is today. It was nothing like that. And 'Palestine' is a false construct, actually started by the Romans in order to deny the Jews settled access to their lands again.

[@lindaarendt496]

The promises of God are for the people of God. Don’t let someone else tell you, read the Old Testament yourself, especially Deuteronomy and the prophets. Zionists have rejected God from the beginning. They only want the gifts, not the Giver but as NT Wright said Jesus is the gift and all promises are found in Him, 2 Cor 1:20.

[@eliakimjosephsophia4542]

Jesus leads you home to the heavenly Father. Plus the woman in Rev 12 is the same woman in Micah 4.

[@gayleliman3423]

BS

[@alphainka]

shame

[@larrymcclain8874]

There is an alternative view today, instead of the usual dispensationalist point of view that dominates American Evangelicalism, sometimes referred to as partial preterism. We believe that the Revelation was written to seven churches in Asia, in signs or symbols of events that would begin to take place in the first century. This message of Christ to John, to deliver to these seven churches, is a message of hope, in that it demonstrates the defeat of all enemies of Christ and His church. These enemies were empowered by Satan. The first enemy, the harlot, or Old Jerusalem was defeated in 70 AD as retribution for spiritual adultery of the Jews, "We have no king but Caesar, crucify Him, let this man's blood be on us and on our children." The harlot was destroyed by the beast whose back she rode, but who hated her. The beast, which was the Roman Empire with its forced worship of its Caesar as God, was the next enemy to be destroyed. The rider of the white horse, Christ eventually defeated Rome with the gospel message, the sword of the Spirit coming from His mouth, and then against all odds and after much persecution, by the 4th century Christianity had become the national religion of the Roman Empire. The next enemy which is yet to be destroyed, is Satan himself, who had empowered the previous enemies of Christ. The Holy Spirit in His revelation of truth separates the defeat of the first two enemies (harlot, Old Jerusalem/beast, Roman Empire) from the defeat of Satan by a minimum of 1,000 years. The millennium itself is symbolic, representing a greater period of time than 1,000 years, and thus, it is still happening, and has been happening since the collapse of the Roman system of forced Emperor worship and triumph of the church over the Roman Empire. Satan then rallies his allies once again at the very end of all things, and attempts to turn the world against Christianity, in order to finally wipe it out, but just before he is successful, Christ intervenes and ends all things. Satan is destroyed, all humanity is resurrected for the final judgment, the final enemy, death is destroyed, and after this, eternity begins for all.

[@petersammons1236]

A question you will find that NT Wright will refuse to answer: 'is Eretz Israel of God, or of Satan?' (Deafening silence).

[@doubtunites168]

the manifestation of today is clearly Satan's work.

[@ethanlintemuth8023]

With all due respect I think Dr. Wright is wrong on his thesis implying that the land does not still belong to Israel. Some popular arguments are #1 First 'Olam/everlasting doesn't actually mean forever.' I disagree, when you look at the meaning of the Word Olam the Psalm's even describes God as an Olam(everlasting) other meanings are permanent, continual, perpetual. Even if the word doesn't mean eternity there is no indication that the promise to Abraham in 17:8 ever had a time stamp on it. The promise of the land being an everlasting possession to Abrahams descendants is reiterated numerous times to the Israelites after him. #2 Some say 'The land was always conditional on their obedience.' There is a lot of truth to this statement when we read the Bible because we see them expelled from the land when they are disobedient, however this is not the full picture. The Mosiac covenant had blessings and curses for the obedience or disobedience of the people of Israel, however this did not undo the Abrahamic covenant that the land would be promised to his descendants as an everlasting possession. Also Ezekiel states that the Lord returning them from the land is actually NOT because of ISRAELS OBEDIENCE but for the sake of THE LORDS HOLY NAME. (Ezekiel 11:14-20, 20:39-44, 36:16-38) One example: 22 “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes." Ezekiel 36:22-23 The whole book of Ezekiel could essentially be a promise of punishment for disobedience but a promise of restoration and an eternal restoration for the sake of Gods name in being faithful to his Covenant. #3 Third argument is that the return is talking about the return from Babylon. Once again I think there is truth in this statement but it is not the full picture. Old Testament and End times prophecies can be difficult to decipher because some fulfillments are in immediate future and some are in distant future. The reason I believe this doesn't pertain to only the return of Babylon is because there are many end times statements and or things that have not happened yet such as God putting a "new spirit in them" (Ezekiel 36). Jeremiah talks about the Lord "destroying the nations I scatter you to" that clearly hasn't happened yet either. Another place in Ezekiel 36:15 mentions that Israel will no longer hear the taunts of the nations anymore...that also is yet to be fulfilled. There are numerous others that indicate there will be a future return where the Israelites will never be uprooted again and God will set up his kingdom fully upon the earth. #4 Lastly, many say that "Christ has come to fulfill the law and therefore it is all about Christ and his kingdom not land." I fully agree that the primary focus of the church is the promotion of the Gospel and his kingdom in all things. However that being said, God can do more than one thing. He can fulfill his promise to Abraham by making his descendants a blessing to all nations because salvation comes from the Jews, while also fulfilling his promise that the land is an "everlasting possession to his descendants." Isaiah 49:6 says: he says: “It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” This is all true and good news but just because God's salvation goes beyond the Jewish people to the ends of the earth does not mean that his promises to them are undone because he did something greater than they could imagine. Romans 11:28-29 states "As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable." God's call on Israel is irrevocable! Jeremiah 31:35-36 says This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar- the Lord Almighty is his name: 36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,” declares the Lord, “will Israel ever cease being a nation before me.” To summarize, we undoubtedly need to show Christ love to both Jew and Palestinian, for let's remember Jesus first revealed himself as Messiah to a Samaritan woman who was considered immoral. God's love is far greater than we can imagine. That being said let's not disregard God's promises to the people of Israel. This does not condone every governmental action, but let's be aware that the enemy has real plan to try to destroy the people of Israel and is actively working and trying to deceive people in order to do so.

[@christopherwhite9260]

A wolf in sheeps clothing !

[@yosef6664]

Word salad, with a heresy dressing, topped with a seasoning of allegorical symbolism, and a garnish of private interpretation. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 ESV - For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw- each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

[@normandofontoura8829]

This intelectual does not know the purposes of God to Israel, His people...Pity on im.

[@FelixLaManna]

Not an argument (not that you would realize that being a dispensational zionist and being opposed to all "that thar book learnin")

[@FrMurse]

sad you do not understand lament is the Biblical response that is inclusive of the wider love of God for every tribe viz. Arabs, esp of oppressed people, including the Jews of course

[@FelixLaManna]

@@FrMurse of course, holocaust and antisemitism, the one sized hat that fits all

[@theacts17accord]

false teacher and he does teach replacement theology

[@flittedacrossmybrain8584]

I hope you don't support Wright, Mr. Miller. To any of Wright's fans, I say this: Does it take many words to speak the truth? Wright conflates and confounds plain things, and does so by riding upon what he's pleased to think of as his scholarly preeminence. I have twice found him in error on the same point, this being a conflation of the Greek word for "cemetery," with the Greek word for "mansion." The implications of this distortion (for Wright cannot but know of it) are profound, for it allows him to justify his reworking of The New Testament. Wright has denied--in public print, and in direct contraadicition to The Bible--that the gospel is the means whereby we are saved. He also rejects penal atonement, though his position is nonsense. Moreover, he has publicly rejected the clear teaching of Scripture that the righteousness of Jesus Christ may be imputed to the believer by God. Consider the teachings of R.C. Sproul; Erwin Lutzer; and J. Vernon McGee for a clean and clear exposition of The Bible.

[@benandolga]

I don't know what he said about other doctrines but End Times doctrines are not biblical! Made up teaching!

[@emilyvancleave4437]

He doesn’t reject penal atonement. He just has a more deep view of the atonement that includes penal substitution but is not limited to it.

[@FrMurse]

You’re stuck in the Protestant Reformation, friend. Good for you. Now please allow a wiser, more accomplished scholar speak what the Early Church taught and believed. Dr Wright’s Greek is not wrong… please cite your sources, using the word in context. You are not a Biblical historian obviously. Glad you’re saved… now move on.

[@naaodey7896]

​@@FrMurseBe careful of believing everything scholars say. It's very dangerous. They have their blind spots. NT Wright is not the Holy Spirit. He is not God. Follow Jesus not fallible man like NT Wright.

[@BobSmith-lb9nc]

Tom needs to read Romans 11.

[@ishiftfocus1769]

Israel today is not God’s Israel.
Most point to the 1948 creation of the state of Israel as a fulfillment of prophecy. However, these people who were gathered together by geopolitical forces reject the Messiah. Though they could many choose not to be saved by God’s grace without the law. Indeed, that message remains an offense to them. They are not the remnant of Israel that began at Pentecost.

[@christianbohls9880]

"Those who claim to be Jews but are not....."

[@NRay-bt2kj]

The prophecy in Ezekiel 37 is clear that God will bring back the descendants of Jacob (Israel) and Israel will live again, but Ezekiel 37:8 says, "I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was NO BREATH IN THEM." However, God is not done, Ezekiel 37:11 - "Then he said to me: 'Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.’ ” The salvation of Israel as a nation does not depend on their effort, but on God's work in them, just as the salvation of the Gentiles is by faith. God accomplishes it.

[@davidh.7138]

Daniel says they are God’s people and whether they have accepted Christ as Messiah or not does not disqualify modern Israel as the legitimate return of the people and a fulfilment of any number of prophecies. Israel was condemned to 7 times of tribulation / occupation by foreign powers. Daniel spells out the timeline. 7 x 365.24 years from the Babylonian siege ca. 590 BC to June 1967 and the Six Day War. That was when Jerusalem was reunited / reconsecrated after 2,300 years as Daniel 8 states and confirms the end of the period. Israel has a right to defend the very small land that is their’s and Armageddon will now unfold as Ezekiel states. The Lord has put hooks into Gog and associates, and they will feel compelled to respond and descend on the Holy Land for one more attempt to take the Land. Watch in awe, now..

[@mosesrambam2815]

Either the Messiah will come back while Israel (the Nation) exists or they will be exiled again. The land comes with conditions.

[@lizcabrera2044]

This man is a heretic

[@LourensBrink]

No. He isn't. The word 'heretic' gets thrown around far too often.

[@mrseph007]

Hey Mr Wright even Wikipedia knows that the commonly held belief between the church fathers was what we now call a historic premillennial position and fully believed that Jesus was going to come back to restore the kingdom to Israel! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_premillennialism

[@pastorofmuppets8834]

I'm not sure what your point is. You've linked to a page that tells us about something that's inaccurate and been disproven 🤷

[@LourensBrink]

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source.