"NA Pros aren't playing champions queue" | Facecheck S04E09

[@johnrio]

Thanks for the shoutout on the website boys. I added the ability to filter out academy players so you can see just team main roster stats

[@marcusglossin6690]

bc I never got up like a helicopter while getting to peacefully laugh at dash’s cheap shots in dinosaur land before

[@whydidimakethis111]

Regarding the Champion’s Queue issue it’s so infuriating because in American sports it’s literally the exact opposite mentality. You have to legit beg or force dedicated players to STOP practicing because there is an actual physical limit that will hurt you if you just train nonstop. Even the clowns in pro sports still show up and play hard (Dennis Rodman and Antonio Brown come to mind) and if they don’t they exit their sport pretty quickly. This is why I will never respect NA esport pros, especially League pros. They get grossly overpaid and complain and lack any of the drive you need in this kind of competitive environment. It’s frankly disgusting.

[@miles12pega]

imagine if the NBA or NFL had something like Champions Queue, those games would be more hype and better to watch than actual games

[@salvest3rr]

@The Mailman true half the games are pseudo all star games at the higher levels

[@miles12pega]

@@salvest3rr yes which is what Champions Queue was like watching. But now the players don’t even care for it after crying for one for ages

[@arturdias6399]

I think you have a very poor point. They could do more, but in reality a eSports pro work schedule is over 10 hours a day. Tell me what sports superstar works out more hours than that. Being that besides the long hours, it is extremely unhealthy to stay at the computer for 10 hours a day so they need to do all the rest. Consequence, as a sports superstar, working out maybe 5 hours a day, you have the free time to have a partner a family and a balanced life. Point out what league eSports player as constituted a family. They can do more, but honestly, I think they do already too much.

[@whydidimakethis111]

I never said anything about raw hours. I was talking about the drive necessary to compete. Sports stars are willing to do things that could end their seasons or careers over the chance to win. Just look at Baker Mayfield who should definitely not have played football in the 21-22 season but tried anyway. Numerous other players who train outside of the necessary hours despite being told not to because it can be a more serious detriment, especially in the long run. Esports (and sports in general) is inherently unhealthy for the body, especially long term. In physical sports, it can be unhealthy for the short term as well, and that has much more tangible effects on performance. For esports, you have much less serious short-term effects but more serious-long term effects. It's just part of the career these people chose. This kind of high level competition demands sacrifices from people's bodies. But for NA players, it's insanely lazy and hypocritical to demand changes for the sake for competitiveness in the region, then just abandon it when it's finally implemented. Either you try to win or you accept you don't care. I have no patience in this kind of competitive environment for trying to optimize for longevity. Your career choice doesn't allow for that.

[@jman652000]

Obviously, they just aren't playing champions queue cuz Regi isn't there to flame them. Maybe if he bullied some of the players into crying, they would sit in front of their computers and try to improve

[@jorgelenny47]

LCS players: How are we supposed to compete when our region has infrastructural issues like no opening tournament and high ping soloQ? LCS: introduces LockIn and CQ LCS players: Imma pretend I didnt see that

[@MrThedumbbunny]

@@BlackEcology dont worry the snap is comming to fix this.

[@Furuchooo]

The smile on LS face when Dom dropped the magic analogy was gold.

[@kinoko_senpai]

I literally have been super busy lately and only managed to finish last episode about 30 minutes ago, and i get hit with this

[@josephsabry5005]

Are you ok ?

[@jiliel7887]

@@josephsabry5005 ??

[@hisnameiskish4874]

TSM Sneaky and Jensen. The boys back at it again. Playing WoW across the LCS. I can see it now...

[@yst42]

I’d be so hyped for this. Don’t even care if these are veteran players

[@liammckenna1479]

Anyone notice that Fudge doesn't appear to be playing Champions queue? I don't see his name on the list, seems puzzling. Maybe he's just spamming 1v1 practice with coaches.

[@kralbenj]

As far as I know C9 does a lot of internal scrims. Also 1v1’s could be another reason yeah, seems how he needs to learn matchups & laning as quick as possible since he roll swapped

[@davidwilli5542]

@@kralbenj r/wooosh

[@kralbenj]

@@davidwilli5542 r/wooosh

[@godzilla1309]

My fave TSM move would be that they rebrand to TST (Team Solo TYLER1), clone him 4 times and run him top to bottom, fire everyone else. Instantly top 1 LCS, and MSI winners.

[@daedbymusic]

I think you only need to clone him twice. 3 Tylers are enough to win every game in LCS

[@mitchg9447]

I love facecheck. But I really do not want to sub to G4

[@cremlindor6607]

Korea just doesn't want to drop bad champions. I mean Doran is still going Renekton ffs

[@kjellroger9070]

I paused when you told me to Dgon and I gotta say Dom is hitting that pipe way too hard. No way in hell is a TSM with Tactical doing anything. That man needs to go. He had a good first year on TL but last year he was bad and this year he looks even worse cause he's got worse people around him. My Tactical hatred continues... Get Jensen and Zven.

[@davidwilli5542]

Like zven would ever rejoin tsm

[@jmsgmx9057]

Regi regi regi regi and regi would be my tsm roster, he wants to take the teams fate into his own hands he has had enough

[@randomlatindude2119]

I call this one "The Copium Roster": -Huni/Tenacity (if they could buy him off 100T)/Nuguri (would need someone to alter the fabric of reality for this one but he IS FA so HAHAHA. Would req either Tactical, DL or another NA ADC tho) / Sw0rd (same as Nuguri but less extreme) -Spica -Jensen / Nesquik (Nisqy) / Magifelix (lmfao could be interesting idk) -Rekkless (if he would even leave KCorp?)/ Crownshot (same as Rekkless) / Zven (HAHAHA) / Tactical (ugh and if you want to develop him still ) / Doublelift (if Regi gives him his house maybe?) / Yeon (?)-> NA options would be default choices if a miracle happens and TSM has enough houses to convince either KR top. -Shenyi (if you want to develop him still) / Ignar (if Huni top or KR top and NA ADC) / Effort (he's a sub, also refer to Nuguri comment) / Iwandy (KEKW) / Eyla (maybe if you want to develop NA? idk) I just went and looked up the FA list and the Subs for major regions (except for a few cases) and put the ones I liked in. Just interesting to think that most (if not all) of these players are either free agents or subs and would make for a beast team (assuming you could get the exact roster you want). If I was to be realistic, it would be: -Huni / Tenacity (assuming 100T will let him go) -Spica -Jensen / Nisqy (less likely) -Tactical / Rekkless or Crownshot (would have to throw a bag and hope he takes it) -Shenyi (if Jensen and EU ADC / Nisqy and Tactical/other NA development ADC) / Ignar (same as Shenyi) / Eyla (If 2 imports adc/mid)

[@mastercalippo]

20k subs pog

[@adriancandelario2902]

LS sports contracts are public for the most part, this isn't anything new and Players should have their salary public.

[@pastrie42]

Really sad that our esports teams are so shameful in work ethic compared to traditional sports. These guys aren't even risking their bodies and they can't do the work.

[@HlebHD]

I've been a Jensen fan longer than I've been a tsm hater but idk if I could support tsm Jensen

[@MagusMik]

Solid episode honestly hit a lot of good things 👌🏽

[@AlejandroLamKhoa]

What is HUNG clip? XD

[@supercereal1]

LOL LS and dom talking about kaisa nautilus only for C9 to lose with it this past week that’s hilarious

[@MaskedPlayer514]

I have said this before on Dom's chat during the liveviews but 100T is such a dissapointing team for me. It really doesn't seem like they have moved forward at all since they got abbedage and now that he reached his import expiration date and plays like an NA mid they look atrocious, bot lane has also been under performing not to put it all on abbe because that is simply not the case. It also makes the whole LCS field in 2021 look much worse than I thought it was. This team needs to change something, I am not a pro or an analyst or anyone that could provide a solution but even an spectator can tell this team will not do well if they continue in this path, maybe the lock in was a preview to this situation but I really hope not.

[@kralbenj]

They covered 100t’s issues really in depth last episode of face check

[@MrHmongStar]

I forgot which podcast LS did, but I remembered LS talking about a Starcraft documentary that he recommended everyone to watch but I got busy and totally forgot about it til now. Anyone able to inform me which video it is?

[@aircatcher6891]

Isn't it just really easy to know when you can fight 2v2 bot lane? I guess since Renata is relatively new it's different but shouldn't there just be a general idea of when you want to and dont want to fight?

[@kralbenj]

In theory yes, but so many factors can either open or close the door to be able to fight within seconds.

[@aircatcher6891]

@@kralbenj i feel like those are more fringe. You should be able to tell who is favored in the 2v2 in champ select and play accordingly. It's just weird that Vulcan and Danny have different ideas and even though Danny is very clearly playing back Vulcan still decides it's good to fight

[@wessac1627]

such a non issue they literally had proving grounds this week they didn't have time for champions queue lol

[@djscuz9211]

I'm pretty sure proving grounds is academy only yeah?

[@wessac1627]

@@djscuz9211 yes bozo thats why TSMA and alot of other academy teams werent playing

[@djscuz9211]

@@wessac1627 but they are playing and that's the issue. The academy guys have more games played than most of the pros even with proving grounds occuring rn. I think that's the whole point Dom was talking about with like 85% of TSM champions queue games being their academy team.

[@wessac1627]

@@djscuz9211 Doms only content is shitting on NA its not in his best interest to fact check

[@djscuz9211]

@@wessac1627 They are fact checking by looking at the games played during the podcast lol. Like you can see the website right there he's not just pulling random numbers. I mean do you not think it's cringe that champions queue has been begged for years by pros and then they don't use it?

[@madman1342003]

This show is always 🔥

[@TheKwangBang]

Jokes on them. This video is clearly prerecorded then was uploaded to KZbin

[@pleasuschrist138]

At time of watching, Huni still hasn't played a game of CQ.

[@Shibanuwu]

I actually relate to LS on the asthma lung thing not being filled. I have asthma too :( Stay safe

[@idiosyncraticRyugu]

For the LS part.. it sounds like his diaphragm is knocked out ( could be side effect of the covid ).

[@Zeroyue622]

10:55 this explain why Huni play champions like nocturne after it got nerfed last year

[@GargNathan]

Though to add, Spica confirmed the noc picks were pretty much always bjerg telling huni to pick it

[@Prince_mt12]

Rigby's last team was that atrocious Afreeca last year. I don't even know they got that guy.

[@Druyn]

I'd go for Huni/Svenskeren/Jensen/Zven/IgNar. Zven spent so long with Vulcan roaming around the map that he's become a pretty experienced weak side player. Svenskeren can play around Huni and Jensen with Ignar running around the map. He and Jensen went to semis together three years ago so they come with in-built synergy. I think Spica should move on from the org after this, his brand is still hot and he's pretty vocal about being really unhappy with how the org has treated him through this. Zven is the most likely weak link, only because for the last six months on c9 he looked bored out of his mind doing this style with Vulcan. I don't think this team would compete for first against C9 or TL, but it has a relatively high floor of 5 or 6th and a ceiling of 3rd. It could absolutely be better than EG and 100T as they stand.

[@mrbubbles188]

If this roster is for TSM I don't think there's any world where you get either Sven/Zven. Regi destroyed Sven's confidence and made him a shell of himself and I dont think theres any world he goes back. They held Zven in contract prison and forced him to play an extra year there when he didn't want to. Without those pieces I doubt you get Jensen either because the team is still pretty much the same at that point

[@Druyn]

@@mrbubbles188 Thats a good point re Zven/Regi. I'd still go Svenskeren/Jensen because that existing synergy is a good foundation for stability. Bot lane... I think you grab Eyla for sure and k1ng or Prismal. i think the floor lowers a bot because the botlane is untested, but just out of who's available i think Svenskeren is really good, jensen is self-sufficient, and it would give a good base to figure out what lane they want to play through. and both Huni and Jensen can realiably carry if they get fed. I thought about Cody Sun, but I don't think he'd mix well with Eyla, and I thought about Sneaky, but he doesn't seem like he'd sign with an org like TSM. I think he says he'd only sign with a top roster. What would be really funny thougj is just keep Huni and grab Svenskeren/Jensen/Sneaky/Zeyzal and runback most of the 2018 semis roster

[@luminous3558]

Why do people still think Huni is worth keeping.... He costs way too much for being pretty much on the same level as rookie NA toplaners.

[@jourdansarpy4935]

I was getting excited for the portion labeled “hung clip” lmao

[@nostalgiacorner1999]

Dom is hilarious lol

[@KnightFall3]

Uh... did they just forget to talk about C9 vs TL?

[@kingl4d602]

moustache nick

[@lektornese]

At low levels you LOSE ad from completing steraks

[@xavierb80]

Never been this early

[@aura7117]

5 million for last place in the LCS 💀💀💀

[@1337awesomeness]

Man 100T really is a mono red deck in a midrange meta.

[@shinreimyu]

I wanted to hear LS mald about PoE builds even more

[@reshvnzitogueno3899]

Didn't expect mtg reference here

[@th3awsom3]

Can we drop new episodes earlier on in the week? By the time new episodes come out it’s already the next set of games, so any information that is covered in new episodes already feels irrelevant or out of date.

[@Min0r1337]

Its a nice drinkgame in lcs. Always take a shot, if an NA Team miss a sidewave.

[@Shearenity]

So what you're saying is that you want all LCS viewers to kill themselves. Okay man KEKW.

[@justmartin6438]

these timestamps are terrible

[@Pastelbluesox]

Thanks for the episode!!

[@NarutoUltimateFul]

Yo guys have a nice day

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

yaa

[@mortiz-22]

lets gooo I’ve been waiting

[@demonkiller50]

So early

[@mattpatton9183]

I actually do think EG with Jensen DL could def be a team that can out place both C9 and TL.

[@kralbenj]

You really think so? I’m not saying I disagree, just want to know why you think that. I think Jensen would be slightly better than Bjerg (given he hasn’t been playing scrims for 6 months or so), and he would definitely be better than fudge, but would doublelift / EG’s support (can’t think of his name atm sorry), really be better than Hans / Core, or Beserker / Winsome? Because I don’t think that’s the case at all. I think Danny mechanically would be better than doublelift, while doublelift could provide some insight into macro during games. But at the same time, impact has lots of game knowledge already, and inspired seems like he is able / confident enough to call for plays around the map. Just wanna know more of your thoughts about why you think this would be an upgrade, as well as why you think it’d be better than C9 and TL.

[@mattpatton9183]

@@kralbenj I think they def could win, but I wouldn't bet on it if the team is put together like this in the Summer split only, simply because I think it would take time for DL to return to form. But yeah the pre-existing synergy of DL Jensen and Impact would be great, and I think Vulcans Aggressive laning would match what DL wants to do, and Inspired is still a beast, that would have lanes that are always stable/winning to play through.

[@GroovingDrums]

Is it just me or does LS look/sound kinda under the train? I mean, after all the jazz that happened the last couple of weeks, I would understand but seriously, someone should look after him for real.

[@kylejoly577]

He got covid. Posted on twitter

[@GroovingDrums]

Oh, thanks, didn't know that. Ok, so I was not mistaken with him looking under the train, hope he gets better soon

[@StarburstExpress]

56:00 LS posted on twitter he tested positive for covid shortly after this monkaS

[@bivmike]

NA player we don't play to win we play to keep their jobs.

[@ornnenjoyer8211]

Would be good if these were realised at the start of the week rather than right when games start. Personally i won't watch episodes on games that weren't the most recent

[@jessepurdy6950]

I love the mtg mono red lol. perfect comparison for 100T

[@iamcrazypeople6961]

What is champion queue? Give example?

[@EternalPM323]

Its a que made for pros only and it has very low ping

[@iamcrazypeople6961]

@@EternalPM323 NA ping is not setting up in LA? And what is advantage for comparing international like Korea and China? Koreans server or Chinese server is about 3. Lower than them?

[@dhanvimarrapu5229]

@@iamcrazypeople6961 The servers for champion's queue are in LA. iirc they get like 6-7 ping.

[@EternalPM323]

@@iamcrazypeople6961 i think its like 8 but LA ping is 60 but clearly ping isnt the issue if pros are already not playing much champions que

[@Frandahab]

@@iamcrazypeople6961 in what world is the ping in China and Korea 3? That's probably physically impossible. KR ping is at best 8, and CN is higher than that

[@linko1998]

My Dream roster for TSM: Huni Spica Jensen (great storylines as Bjergsen rival) EU rookie like bean or jackspectra or even a Chinese hyped rookie adc Shenyi So you have a solid topside to play around and a development botlane like TSM management wanted

[@visces4447]

yea no tsm should not be importing anymore eu adcs