Wavecontrol - But it Makes SENSE now

[@ShoCoaching]

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[@iTzzTronco]

My way i learned it: -Watch Content about Wave control -Play some games -Watch what you did to the wave and note how it affected the wave and your gameplay -repeat. i did this for a while and now i feel really comfortable and with the wave control i got better recalls, better recalls made me lose less cs, which brought me to more gold, being more fed in every single game than before which lead to me from being bronze 4 to low plat. Yes, im a noob. Yes, im bad. Yes, i only play ranked for about 9 months now. My opinion may not matter as much, like a gm/challenger one. But this is just the way i did it and found my way. i went from about 4cs per minute to average 7.5. my kp is better because i have better tempo to actually be a beneficial team member and even if i lose lane i am still worth more than enemy adc since i have a deeper understanding of what to do. I hope to get a deeper understanding of this, even though it is hard to learn if youre finding everything out yourself through youtube videos alone but maybe i will be able to pay a coach or something like that. until then im leaving a sub because i enjoyed this video alot. Thanks for the content, people like you make my climb even possible.

[@eesamees]

really helpful! thanks for the info! i forget it’s good to watch replays and examine what i did and what it resulted in

[@celloj3703]

My favorite quote from SkillCapped that cleared up all the wave control mud: “the only difference between a slow push and a freeze is who is in control of the wave.”

[@gergelyritter4412]

I remember a game from a few years ago, where I froze the wave for a solid 5-8 minutes in top. Whenever my lane opponent walked up, I killed him. I ended up with a 3lvl advantage and like a 1k-1,5k gold advantage.

[@sonnenblume4]

This is why top is so unplayable in a bad matchup if jg never helps. You are basically not playing the game if the enemy can tank the minion wave and freeze every wave if you try to shove to get a clean wave reset. This lane is very knowledge heavy for that reason and I love learning top, but sometimes it feels miserable lmao Keep freezing my friend.😎

[@charlesredd9619]

​@sonnenblume4 its a shame that I play ad tf in solo lane aint no freezing my lanes u do that I'll have u in purgatory with no waves crashing or u can let me freeze the wave n I'll just first tower with or without ur jg help😂😂😂

[@IIISPKIII]

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW THANK YOUU. Now I just need to remember the info you gave us and apply it in my games :)

[@ShoCoaching]

And that's the hard part... D: I believe in you

[@jimmynone1956]

Might have to watch this video 5 times before it really sinks in for me haha xD

[@c1ege]

For ranged champions, going for plates when you COULD permafreeze is another viable play, especially when a different enemy laner is fed and your laner is happy to drop farm and just stay in xp range until the jungler comes to fix the wave. This allows your laner to catch up with the game average but puts you further ahead to have an easier time dealing with the fed enemy from another lane. Your jungler can also lane gank from brush to counter a roam timer while you are hitting plates. Whether or not your jungler is hovering should influence what you are able to achieve with wavestate.

[@nikolinaderpson3841]

Good vid, but I still don't get it. Iron4lyfe

[@ShoCoaching]

Anything specific I can clarify?

[@mastigt]

Im not super good player but from my experience most important is basically to push whenever u wanna recall or roam. Otherwise u lose lots of farm and they get lots of farm.

[@nikolinaderpson3841]

@@ShoCoaching Can you say in 1 sentence (for each) what I'm suppose to do with the wave based on the 4 options you posed: Farm, Roam, Reset, or Fight?

[@ShoCoaching]

@@nikolinaderpson3841 If you want to roam or reset, ideally you need to first crash the wave into the enemy turret when possible. That way you don't lose any farm and don't dilute the value of whatever you are doing elsewhere. If you want to fight, you should either setup a freeze or posture agressively on a wave that is even in the middle (or relatively even). If you instead push, the wave will move to the enemies turret and fighting will be more difficult and dangerous. If you want to stay safe and farm, that's usually because you are weaker than your opponent. Ideally you can farm the wave in a safe spot, either under your turret or in front of it. If the enemy lets you, you can try to quickly push it and leave, that shouldn't be possible if you are weaker though. Not quite one sentence, but I didn't wanna bs add a bunch of commas and make it less readable...🙃If you have any more questions, please ask them in my Discord server so that other people can follow the conversation if they want to.

[@circIe3]

Didnt realise how much of this i accidentally have learnt somewhat subconsciously but still very useful

[@ShoCoaching]

Let's hope my next videos will cover stuff you don't already know :P

[@TyrantBrendorf]

super duper informational video, thank you for this. im actually watching it a second time now to refresh my memory xD

[@ShoCoaching]

LET'S GO!! gimme that watch time

[@TyrantBrendorf]

​@@ShoCoaching hahahaha

[@TyrantBrendorf]

​@@ShoCoaching nah but honestly, i am really really glad i watched this video. ive applied it in game and wow its so beautiful. ah man. i look forward to learn alot more from you

[@gen.tucker6024]

Honestly more helpful and easier to digest than when big channels explain the very same concept. Well done!

[@Connor-iu1xc]

Man I been watching YT for years, Ive been a TF main since season 7 and hit diamond for the first time this season. I needed this, thank you!

[@Connor-iu1xc]

When you explain to my ape brain, about yasuo/cass vs Azir wave state make sense to me. But other mages like maybe Syndra, or Xerath? Xerath seems pretty flexible? What rules do you have @shocoaching to determine the wave state strengths within a champions kit?

[@high_culture_cat]

Ah, yes. Fanta mentos

[@jamesblackwell2607]

great full and concise guide

[@sadokdanger]

Such a sublime way of explaining it

[@ShoCoaching]

many thanks

[@tomasm6664]

geniunely helpful bc as an iron 4 supp this helps me understand when to actually hit the minions or just stay back to help the lane, thanks!!

[@gugamanel137]

Great video, nice educator mindset

[@irishirelia2795]

Found this video and immediately applied it. Thank you for making a video that makes such sense

[@ChadDominick]

Really great video, nice explanations, clean editing and well spoken. I subscribed, hope to see more videos from you :)

[@jimmynone1956]

Thanks for the in depth explonastion of wave states, I always kinda understood wave management, but this is giving more info on each individual state, thanks again ^^

[@Fortune500gaming]

Yeah brother you were cooking with this one 🔥🔥, it’s a peak essential skill with the modern game

[@jjojja7]

lmao i have a pretty good understanding of wave management and i practice it well but i still gotta look at this shit to make sure im doing it right haha

[@Ashura_Morgraine]

"But Riot's spagetti coded minions...." BRO I CANT. Just that made me laugh and the need to like the video. The fact that the explanation is also well made and in simple terms is the icing on the cake, gotta subscribe as well

[@Nideror]

8:30 I kinda don't understand why would sylas want to achieve even wave here. isn't like keeping the wave longer under his tower making the bigger bounceback (stacking 2waves then crashing) better? u get longer timer for roams/reset/whatever u wanna do on the map and also it makes wave to meet up closer to his tower forcing ryze to approach closer making him susceptible to ganks and also if wave set up properly makes him hard to actually hit the wave (since is pretty close to enemy tower + is cannon wave). I just kinda don't understand why ryze would be safier there: he needs to approach the wave, sure wave is bounce backing and sylas needs to deal with it in the near future but after building big enough wave and clearing the next that arrives (fastpushing) it makes him achieve very good roam timer.

[@ShoCoaching]

Good question, here's a couple of things to consider: 1. Ryze does not HAVE to approach the wave, it's slowpushing to him, so once the second wave arrives he can just stand all the way back. 2. Sylas main goal right now is not to get a roam timer, but to win a trade while he's stronger 1v1 than Ryze. That way Ryze won't be able to contest the push on future waves either, because Sylas has kill pressure. Or he just solo kills ofc. That's not possible with a slowpush. 3. Crashing a big wave into turret does not help much against someone like Ryze, since he will instantly clear the whole wave no matter how big it is. Then he will follow the roam regardless, so the only benefit is that the next wave will take longer to arrive, because Sylas crashes faster. To summarize, Sylas wants to play for lane right now. If he slowpushes, Ryze will play safe and eventually create a slowpush himself with the bounce, on which he can play very safe again. Sylas won't find any 1v1 at all, unless Ryze randomly walks when the wave is pushing to him. This matchup can be very rough for Sylas if he allows Ryze to play with stacked waves.

[@Nideror]

@@ShoCoaching thank you for your in depth explanation now i understand :))

[@ShoCoaching]

@@Nideror that's all I wanted to hear :D

[@cyeforme]

great vid brah seriously helpful

[@liquid_hotdog1011]

As a silver player, i cant fight the urge to push every wave

[@ShoCoaching]

pain

[@williamguisan832]

real helpfull, thanks!

[@kostas9004]

im at 0:29 and i wanna say i really like the fact you put your rank on each role, im assuming you played only that role to reach that rank.

[@Dtraxxx]

10:37 thats me 😦

[@ShoCoaching]

omg it is!!! but why is that sad?

[@Dtraxxx]

@@ShoCoaching wasnt meant to be sad emoji lol

[@ПетърУанчелов]

Wow I expected you to have more followers. Great video. I'm diamond and I still got a lot of insight from this video. I like your dry humor and how calm you are. You earned my like and subscribe. I have just one wish - I'm mid/bot main and consider myself strong laner and not that much of a roamer because I prefer to have my own advantage and make enemy laner weaker than me rather than team advantage. However due to that I often find myself overextending or getting overwhelmed by at least 3 enemies thus losing the harrassment and lead I created. I almost always am ahead of my laner or when I get camped or have a really poor perfomance at least even with them. I want to elevate my gameplay and just die less to keep my lead steady. If you could make a video on how to avoid these type of situations I would really appreciate it

[@radeqqq8153]

underrated channel

[@errorone937]

Bruh, why couldn't have anybody explained it like that. Thanks ❤

[@ShoCoaching]

❤

[@its_stathis]

finally a coach that makes useful videos.( I am a jungler but this video was still helpful)

[@ShoCoaching]

that's sick, my next videos will directly apply to junglers as well!

[@JustenGraves]

Great stuff.

[@charlesmatthewfazonela191]

Very helpful!

[@Bogdan-j9x]

Waves matter! Recomended to watching

[@darkon1093]

Thanks bro

[@pabloalbertosilvestri929]

3:54 nah bro that positioning

[@ShoCoaching]

Kata had TP and was looking to base anyways, so she wanted to just get as much farm as possible. I think this was a clip from a chall Ryze vs GM Kat, but it's wild that Ryze did not kill Kat cuz he thought the E + Q would bounce... made me SO ANGRY anyways.....

[@pabloalbertosilvestri929]

​@@ShoCoaching Hey idk if you got it right or not but i was referring to ryze's super clean positioning, very unlucky for that EQ not connecting at the end. I know this is pretty common among pros, still this was one of the most confident display of it that i've seen

[@jaedenhillesheim7930]

Good guide!

[@TURKROX]

Thank you so much video was very helpful! One thing I can't understand with recalls and wave management is that when should I proxy and when should I just crush and recall immediately. (I'm playing top 90 % of the time and I'm a Aatrox OTP currently sitting on Dia 2 with juicy 60%wr.)

[@hristaka_41]

Awesome content def subbing and also i want to ask if you would make a vdieo about mid to late game macro plays because im really struggling whith that in particular

[@hristaka_41]

or rather when I should take fights or not

[@ShoCoaching]

I was actually 99% done with my lategame macro guide, but then my harddrive exploded, so all of the footage was lost. Definitely gonna be one of my next 3 videos.

[@nero2355]

Great video I learned a lot many thanks fantastic awesome I can't wait for more videos algorithm

[@tranthien3932]

Get this man to 1k subs. Holy shet

[@an_Hylian]

Good production 👍🏼

[@GetSnipz-sj3vs]

Number 300 here for the algorythm.

[@damienthule9930]

Nice one

[@asdfkljlkjdfkg2290]

subbed

[@Erenplsgiveitback]

subscribed! Let me see ur channel grow bro

[@loquaciouslizard59]

WOOOOOOOOOO

[@unknownit5315]

Good video. Only thing I'm confused on is.when you would want too have an extended freez at your tower?

[@boro.purvi.sled.pikoto]

When you have more power (health,mana) than the enemy you want to stay behind their wave and harass them to deny not only gold but exp Then they have 3 moves -farm the wave and die -roam - recall If they do roam or recall you just need your minions dead when they are not around - crash If they recall you can still hold the freeze and deny the same amount of resources that crashing would But then their minions are not dead and next wave is coming which means you havenot taken your resources - you can't recall Only freeze after they recall if you know what you're doing bcs they will come with hp and mana and item advantage (ideally you can set up a gank this way) Either way you force their tp if they have it and now you got tempo advantage And hey - nothing more tilting for the enemy if you kill and crash right after they tp-ed right?

[@andremachado4557]

he low key kinda showed it in the video: Sylas got a bad trade and wants to recall, Ryze maintains a freeze to make him lose minions and have the wave closer to his tower to avoid ganks and play more agressive.

[@andremachado4557]

The enemy having no mana can also be a good reason to freeze longer because if you are in his head he wants to cleanly crash and recall for mana/items and if he doesnt have tp that's basically impossible to achieve whithout losing minions and having roam prio for teamplays.

[@nojaodoggo2896]

Wait, i quit, lol? Why i am watching this?

[@ShoCoaching]

based

[@xMoonbeam-Vayne]

Algorithm

[@dajmahal]

I choose to actively not learn wave control because its not something that was designed to happen by riot, it shouldnt be something that is mandatory to learn imo

[@ShoCoaching]

that's fair, but could you still like the video cuz I put SOOOO much effort into it..........

[@tabletennisstars1227]

that is a weird way to look at it lol. it is mandatory if you want to win lanes

[@xXHotaroXx]

Your Logic to not learn this FUNDAMENTAL part of League is very flawed. Why?: Riot is not omniscient. There are many things in the game Rito didn’t intend to happen but did and it makes the game better => so they kept it in the game and balances around it. For example Flash is the most OP summoner spell OR heck the META you know it now with the 5 roles was INVENTED/discovered by Proplay at the END of season 1 !!! Bonus: And actually the mechanics of the minions pushing back and force via “slow pushes” IS and was deliberately designed that way to create dynamics in the game since inception of the game, else the game would go on forever in a vacuum as the all minions die in the middle of the lane as soon they meet. So meaning not only is your logic flawed, it is factually wrong. Action: Learn that fundamental aspect of the game now and enjoy more of the game❤

[@phevllm4644]

Hiiiii ur content is Soo good Can u make contact about champion pool ?

[@ShoCoaching]

I will, got some projects planned first but I'll make a quick video about my takes on champion pools as well.

[@AvengedKSevenfold]

🤘

[@ralek592]

Good content, but a bit of a boring presentation. Most LoL informational content has some kind of element that takes your attention besides the information, so I would advise you to take inspo from some of em.

[@ShoCoaching]

like what?

[@ralek592]

Lol analyst has isolated and highlighted examples of the subject coined with a montage or a few kills every now and then using example provided to hook the viewer's attention. It's also completely textual letting you focus more visually Skill capped (despite the inane constant ads) has interesting commentary that isn't completely informational in context but also confrontational/speaks to the viewer I don't watch much league content because im new so im definitely missing a lot of other examples but this is what i believe you may be lacking as a content creator. You have the content, so package it uniquely. Have fun with it. Idk

[@ShoCoaching]

@@ralek592 Thanks for your feedback! I think those channels have different video formats and while I might explore those in the future. Right now I prefer making concise guides on fundamental topics that don't waste peoples time, just to keep them extra engaged. I think there is an audience on KZbin for both types.

[@ralek592]

@@ShoCoaching I never said they were time wasters. We're playing video games, don't you know?

[@charmlb3401]

I think playing league like this just kills the fun. Learning these in-dept mechanics feels like a pipeline of despair that a lot of people fall into

[@mascasedu]

Youre hella underated, nah i finished the vidio and when i subscribed i noticed that you have 500 subs! Keep the good work i know youlle succed 🫡