Naomi Klein Talks Being Mistaken for a Conspiracy Theorist | Offline with Jon Favreau

Naomi Klein, activist and bestselling author, joins Offline to talk about her new book, Doppelganger, and the woman who inspired it, anti-vax crusader Naomi Wolf. In Doppelganger, Klein wades into the confusion to tell a broader story about the morass of the internet today. She and Jon talk about what it means to build a personal brand in the attention economy, how the pandemic fractured our collective sense of reality, and whether the internet is a good place to build a populist movement. Plus, Max is back from the dead! He and Jon break down Biden’s new executive order on AI and exchange tips on how to have more productive conversations about the destruction in Gaza.
CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
1:20 Max is back!
2:15 Joe Biden's Executive Order on AI
11:39 Online Discourse on Gaza
26:45 Ad Break
30:34 Naomi Klein on being compared to Naomi Wolf
1:02:35 Ad Break
1:06:37 Naomi Klein on The Mirror World
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[@leeanntripple5792]

I really missed Max! So glad you're feeling better! I love listening to Jon & Max - so thoughtful, inciteful, empathetic, calming.

[@zStC1]

I believe you mean insightful. inciteful is an entirely different word with vastly different meaning😂

[@kaceykelly7222]

Naomi KLEIN is absolutely fascinating and I loved listening to her presentation. I also loved Max's take on how to talk about this grueling time with others who don't see things the same. As always, I love listening to Jon's contribution to every segment....he is the best of the best!!

[@Vaeldarg]

Something they maybe could have gone further into, was the mention of the pandemic breaking the minds of many people. Thing is, even before the brain-breaking over virus precautions, many ALREADY had been having their minds broken over the pace of scientific/technological advancement. That trend just further resulted in the conservative response to MRNA vaccines. (and once again science showing it can actually do what religion can only promise, saving people from illness)

[@vanessawhitneypro]

Brilliant conversations, always, Jon. Thanks to You, Max & Naomi Klein!

[@jrussino]

If I had to point somebody who had never heard this podcast to a single episode to give them a sense of what it's about, I'd pick this one. Great episode.

[@josephgreear5789]

I’m a Communist and I’ve been a Pod hater for a long time but I’ve admired Naomi Klein since I read Shock Doctrine during the pandemic and watched the interview because I watch every interview with her. Since, the interview the Pod constantly gets autoplayed. Now I listen and kinda giggle at how Beltway Brained they are. It’s goofy.

[@iamheatheranne]

"I was slinging Israel- Palestine takes with my cat." Only Max would ever say that. Missed you & glad you are back!

[@christinaostdiek2994]

Really enjoyed that last 10 min of the interview. Finally actually legitimate ideas of what dems should do to get people back. Actual populism.

[@rezrunnercl]

Doesn't matter what Biden does. His hook up with Netanyahu has cooked his goose. That's the final nail.

[@antigonemerlin]

Thank you Jon for consistently being a voice on I/P discussions that reassures me that in fact, I am not insane. You express my own feelings into words far more articulate than I could ever manage, and the discussion of how discussions are really about feelings, not facts, was really enlightening, and it's something I noticed applies to a lot of other areas of my life as well.

[@curtisdush5686]

Really great interview. Glad Max is feeling better. 💕💕🌟🌟

[@padawan58]

Fantastic subject! Really gave me new perspective on the online persona phenomenon. Loved listening to Jon and Naomi discuss this multifaceted issue!

[@MitchellColbert]

As a leftwing journalist, it does kind of boil my blood to see my work ripped off and not sourced, but that is the internet for you... and on a long enough time line I now write for an outlet I once send a cease and desist letter to. That admittedly is way different than someone saying they posted a Twitter take first.

[@Liam_Daly]

Hey Jon! Love your stuff

[@alienmozart9902]

Whoa, this woman is really good at describing the situation.

[@caytjones2726]

Thank you BTC for your sage advice on how to listen. It is much needed advice for this old lady. I've had this sense of forboding since the conflict 26:38 began again. As it has gone on and the disproportionate response gets more unbelievable every day. At one end of my block is a mosque at the other end is a synagogue. I have friends of both faiths. I needed to hear how to listen!

[@angies.7689]

Another great interview with Naomi Klein. There’s always so much to learn from her.

[@Someaddress555s]

When I heard Biden wanted to work on AI policies I was happy because its needed before it's too late, but you look at how morally corrupt the tech industry is and honestly it doesn't matter what any government passes because a lot of companies and their greedy investors just want to "break stuff" and rebuild the world in their own images. So they'll see being the first to advanced levels of AI as the way to control future profits for all business, which is way too big of a carrot for anyone who is even slightly corrupt to ignore when they get whacked by the stick. It doesn't matter what we do, big tech violates laws all the time and a few thousand dollar fine for cheating laws when they make billions doesn't change any behavior. Start charging percentages of incomes for punishment and see if the rich stop breaking so many laws, again thousands of dollars in fines means nothing to billionaires.

[@steviec1156]

Well stated.

[@Someaddress555s]

@@steviec1156 it bugs me that so many people just trust big business not to hurt all of us when we see the long term results of blindly trusting corporations in things they knew the dangers of like PFAS, benzene exposure from gas stoves, and even things like lead paint where they ignored public safety to make as much money as possible when their scientists knew for years of dangers. Corporations have no fiduciary reason to work to protect consumers or the world as a whole, infact its more profitable for them to break things then drag out fixing their problems so they can milk profits from problems they created originally.

[@superclaymaster]

Well written, well thought out, and also only the beginning of what has to be done.

[@Someaddress555s]

​@@superclaymaster there is always more we can do in every field, the question is what do we focus our limited resources on? AI has the power to change our lives and exponentially increase our standard of living much like cars, electricity, refrigeration, fire, antibiotics, vaccines, and many other discoveries humans have made over our time on his planet. It has the power to destroy many types of jobs and careers, but also to create whole new fields of jobs and careers we never imagined before. Like I refered to originally I just don't trust greedy tech guys who have little care for the consequences of their actions, and Musk claiming his new AI chatbot is rebellious shouldn't be a marketing ploy it should be terrifying. It's hard to enforce much on Big companies because they have so much power in our current system, big tech especially because they can turn into a real problem if they happen to control posts on social media accounts which means they control the propaganda voters see too...

[@Vaeldarg]

It's far from just "big tech" that does that, though. Ohio's trains, Texas's electrical grid, big pharma, big oil, big tobacco, and so on all also treat fines as just the "cost of doing business". Fox "News", smacked with billion-dollar lawsuits, is STILL peddling the same nonsense through the likes of Hannity and other hosts even after cutting Carlson loose as someone who became a liability for them.

[@jessieadair]

Another helpful, interesting and thought provoking podcast. Much appreciated!

[@guyrose2847]

One thing I have been avoiding for several years now to keep my emotions as level as possible when looking at the Israel-Palestine conflict: I avoid the emotional triggers, especially the gruesome footage of innocent victims. I really know where I stand on this, I don't need to escalate my emotions because it steers me away from hoping for peace. To me, ANY innocent victim is a tragedy and an outrage. Sometimes, it feels like people who are not in the middle of it watch the footage to crank up the outrage, and that brings NOTHING to the debate.

[@Sundayjean]

I hope you’ll address what’s happening at Microsoft; how they’ve gotten rid of all of their editors, and using AI for their news page. It’s pretty terrifying if it’s true.

[@grays42]

For those who went looking for the mention of the interview at 54:30, on youtube the sound clip is titled "Author realizes her new book contains gross inaccuracies on live radio"

[@MA-ne8ig]

Naomi was absolutely wonderful ty

[@lunarose9568]

Welcome back Max. Fabulous interview. ❤

[@DrNancyLivingCoCreatively]

Bless Kellys mom. Empathy and learning in community is my path. Yes how to embrace lovem

[@corinnapetry65]

Re: Naomi Wolf being called out for a huge error in her book--It would be so much easier on a person to recognize the mistake, admit it out loud, and say, 'I will do better next time.' Turning yourself inside out into another person entirely is the much more difficult reaction, harder on yourself and harder on everyone around you.

[@terry73732]

God, this was good! Lady is awesome

[@titaniumteddybear]

"The discourse" is not even close to being the most important thing. But for most people engaging in discourse is the only thing they can do that will have any effect; as tiny as that effect is it still feels better than doing nothing.

[@MAC-op5fc]

Fantastic interview.

[@TiffanyTeaLeaves]

Yes! At 1:25; I need this network now. I’m slipping through cracks instead of being a valuable contributor to solutions because there ISN’T a system like this in place for me to utilize.

[@goldencalf5144]

I actually think it's a good thing that people are getting more personally engaged in the Israel/Palestine issue. For the last 30 years or so, we've lost interest in it, allowing Israel to do whatever the hell it wants. The public outrage at this latest round of ethnic cleansing and "mowing the grass" is forcing American politicians to be a little less stridentl in their support of Israel. And the old trick of shouting "Anti Semitism" whenever someone criticises Israel's policies ain't gonna fly no more.

[@unfingbelievable1]

Inspiring, encouraging discussion with Naomi Klein. Thanks. And welcome back Max!

[@violaine1]

Max has the nicest and most gentle voice and demeanor. Just sayin. :)

[@livenandlove1980]

She's brilliant!

[@joaopedrocaetano4507]

I've read Klein's "Doppelganger" and it's one of the most insightful looks at what's been happening since, oof, maybe 2014? I think it moves the conversation forward in crucial ways. It's a very readable journey through a very strange landscape filled with irony, with a witnessing of good people doing weird things, of a realization that wanting things to change has a hundred different repercussions inside different people. I too have been feeling my way in a sort of similar territory. I think it's crucial that people start to look critically at what this constant celebration of "alternative media" actually helps cultivate, it's not all rosy. What her book constantly makes clear is how good intentions, honorable impulses, can misfire in the weirdest, most terrible ways if you haven't cultivated other values and principles -- intellectual honesty, for one, and journalistic ethics is another; two things "alternative media" and all these indignant podcast hosts often don't have. It's all about the "we're the alternative to the lamestream media / culture" feeling of the thing. And that's simply not enough to make the world a better place. Klein also makes the point that a lot of energy is wasted, a lot of attention is misplaced, away from actual healthy change, when so many people focus on the strange fever dreams of conspiracy culture, following a kind of pied piper away from hitting the proper bullseye with the illusion of a bullseye. As she says here: "What people are able to do with these platforms is something we haven't fully unpacked." I think an even deeper analysis is necessary around how the internet has shaped our society, has shaped us, has shaped kids, teens, young adults, adults and the oldest among us since the mid 90s. We just take the internet so much for granted that we're unable to look critically at how it's modified human life since then. People, especially generation Y onwards, don't even take the time to critically look back and see how it's shaped THEM and how their personalities formed in interaction with it since they were kids. None of this deep introspective work has been done. And yet we've been running this weird experiment on ourselves for decades now. And I think it's crucial that it is discussed. Klein's book doesn't quite get into that, but I'd say that's the next step. Klein's recent conversation with Douglas Rushkoff is also really, really good. It's two people who helped generate a lot of excitement for a lefty change, but looking back at how so many people took it in such a weird direction and trying to understand why. It's a super necessary conversation.

[@jahanhashemi3291]

I think part of why the online discourse of Gaza does focus on language and word choice wasn't spoken to-this discussion of language is sparked in many ways by the mainstream media's bias in favor of the Isreali's radical far-right government. When our State Department is advising government officials on what terms they should not use (such as "deescalation"), isn't this policing of language something that is inevitable to replicate itself in the counter culture? From my POV a lot of the fervor about word choice is an attempt to establish admission of the desperate situation at hand and truly recognize the atrocities actively unfolding that are paid for with the aid of our tax dollars. It's an attempt to wrestle control of a narrative that is introduced through a pro-war lens, especially now as the IDF is approving the reporting of its journalists that it is bringing into Gaza (such as CNN).

[@hennakaren]

This is one of my favorite pods, and this episode ion particular has been thought provoking and dense. Thank you!

[@komodosam]

This is a great conversation guys. Book added to my to-read list!

[@JackMediaComments]

Offline should have its own youtube channel

[@nancychandler3673]

I had never heard of anyone you've been talking about. I'm a Medical Professional. After retirement, I posted an Art sight with many genre's. It was Covid-19 that perked my ear outside of my bubble of Healthcare and the Arts. Nice meeting you.

[@christinemartin8549]

I would love to see an episode on China's surveillance state. Specifically, where they are compared to where the US is. What kinds of technology would move us closer to the systems they have in place. Another fantastic show. Max was missed. I'm happy he's feeling better and back with us. 😊

[@BottleConcreteBlond]

Max's voice goes a long way to soothing my tension!

[@llamaboss1434]

Big Tech: We are your friends! Also Big Tech: Oh hey what's that, worst autocracies in history? You want all our monitoring tech and face recognition software? We'll sell it at a discount.

[@abepressman2181]

As someone who works with AI in genetics research, I should add that a big part of the concern here isn't policy, it's enforcement-which I wish we had more honest discussion of

[@antigonemerlin]

I'd like to highlight Max's point about how discussions online are often not about facts, but about feelings. This applies to so much... about Gaza, about the pandemic, about identity politics, about our own families and personal relationships... You _know_ it's true when two people independently come to the same conclusion.

[@matthunter4868]

I'm no longer a listener of NPR, or as I call it--National Petroleum Radio. Instead, I get my knowledge of national and International geopolitical news and views primarily from the Pod Save America crew. They have become the 'Corn Flakes' of my daily news diet. On this channel, you will hear the most insightful, in-depth, and intelligent discussions of current affairs, along with the brightest, smartest, forward-thinking academics, advisors, activists and authors and progressive thought leaders like Naomi Klein presented in this episode... In a media landscape, thin on substantive, intellectually honest journalistic enterprises, PSA is one of the bright spots in an otherwise bleak terrain. Thanks for all that you do!!! 👏👏👏

[@ruthantiaobong3502]

LETS F**KING GOOOOO!!! OFFINE!!!!!👏🏿👍🏿✌🏿🖖🏿🤟🏿

[@jcbjcb2]

toward 1:02 Why does Jesus get credited for Adam and Steve?

[@steveh6612]

I love Naomi Klein ❤❤❤❤

[@bettertoaster]

I also confused the two once. But Naomi Wolf made it very clear very fast that I confused her with someone else by answering one of my comments online.

[@susansalveson3609]

Yes, Naomi, interdependence!

[@MRICCI8]

Excellent show, thank you! Thinking about what you and Naomi were talking about, I wonder if there's an aspect of the inherent loneliness in a large online forum that drives people to want to be more "in crowd" with "I thought of this idea first." Maybe that's the way feel they can gain recognition as one of the valued members of the forum/group/whatever.

[@chris4973]

Just finished reading Doppelgänger. Should be required reading!

[@whoscares]

She is spot on!

[@FoxMacLeod2501]

1:55 cozz-play, buddy; COSplay = _costume_ + _play._ Does anyone say "cohse-tume?" - I mean, seriously, which words★ start with "cos" that you pronounce like "cohse?" Bill "Cohse-bee?" All the stars in the "cohse-mos?" ★ _not_ including "s" words + a "co" prefix, (e.g. cosine, cosignatory, costar) which are all essentially just missing the optional hyphen between "co" and [word]

[@davidyemm7910]

Feelings evoked from misinformation can turn into dangerous actions i.e the MAGA movement.

[@NatelleB]

I’m finally getting fond of Max. He was annoying when he was new and I guess somewhat nervous cuz he interrupted his cohorts too much. But he’s not doing that anymore. Glad he’s back! Great show on the next week’s 11/12 Offline. Made me come to the older Offline casts, was that good.

[@erikhoffman2866]

Wow...Ok, I didn't wait a second to praise Naomi... Democracy....N0W🙏

[@jcbjcb2]

cellular tracking. .. maybe in a few decades: opensource (LineageOS? or GrapheneOS? CalyxOS?)? With phones that default to (public mesh) wireless. There's much unused broadband in cities and suburbs. Fallback to cellular towers when in rural and far from major roads.

[@sampal5352]

Sometimes this show seems in a bubble to me, maybe it’s the lack of urgency when things are so unhinged, all the time. You don’t want extremes, but say what the worst thing is, say the truth, like Biden’s age and now the conflict are going to impact his re-election. Idk, AI makes me anxious as, they opened the lid then slammed it shut again.

[@erikhoffman2866]

I freaking love Naomi...

[@raincadeify]

46:08 Such an interesting thought, how public figures suddenly lost their rooms full of people listening/responding to them were affected by the pandemic. This fits with all the standup comics suddenly becoming online content providers, often dispensing a lot of misogynistic, homophobic toxic nonsense, and in turn developing a whole new audience hungry for the return of their demographic supremacy. I had never made that connection before. Question: Not to oversimplify but, now that we can have our live gatherings again, will this phenomenon diminish or is it here to stay? I'm really enjoying hearing from Naomi today, thank you.

[@antigonemerlin]

There were some tech entrepreneurs in Africa who were surprised at American pessimism. Why are Americans so pessimistic about a technology could be improving people's lives? More and more, I am convinced that the next half century will be the rise of Africa. As long as there is infrastructure and stability, the technologies that shape tomorrow will come out of the places without entrenched interests lobbying for stagnation. We've already seen how India's digital payments system is better than in America. There is no way that American credit card companies will give up their sweet 2% tax on transactions, whereas in India a vegetable vendor can readily accept digital payments through a national infrastructure with no fees, as easily as they can accept cash.

[@kendomyers]

If its Naomi Klein, youre doing just fine If its Naomi Wolf, oof buddy! Oof!

[@kendomyers]

Learned that one from WITH Pod

[@shaunrobson4278]

Yeah, that Matthew Sweet interview on the BBC totally ENDED Naomi Wolf. It was painful to listen to. How the hell the manuscript got to the publication stage is beyond me, but the absolute humiliation Wolf felt live on air obviously broke her brain ...

[@jcbjcb2]

52:50 - what is all of these arguments about Public Shaving? - Roseanne

[@Salamarnir]

ok but her physical doppleganger is Sofia Coppola

[@berbank]

Max, who in the episode "The End of Big Tech & The Dangers of AI | Offline With Jon Favreau" dismissed all fears of AI. Why have him on at all?

[@user-cr9kj7cn4d]

To benefit from his recent thinking.

[@Fabdanc]

I am in love with Max even more after the cat reference.

[@BottleConcreteBlond]

On a gay website I visit sometimes there's a conservative troll who will often start his posts with "as a gay man..." as though that gives him some kind of cred on a site aimed at gay men.

[@antigonemerlin]

I hate trying to put this in every discussion, but I keep thinking about the core trans theme: how do we become more human as we become less human? Transgender is a concept which is the most visible, but in a way, we are all finding out just how made up all of these things are that we take for granted: culture, gender, _humanity_ ...

[@Bill0102]

I'm lost in this content. I read a book with similar content, and I was completely lost in its world. "Reclaiming Connection: The Journey of a Digital Detox" by Joshua Ember

[@mcanpimuuu]

I appreciate the discussion. I'm trying not to post my way thru these times but, I don't know, I've always thought 'genocide vs not genocide' is something we should be talking about?

[@antigonemerlin]

For me, it's bikeshedding because the other issues are hard and make you sigh. There are a lot of hard pills to swallow in this conflict, and when people are talking about "is it genocide", it's a bit of a motte-and-bailey because genocide=worst possible crime and it becomes a game of moral whack-a-mole that makes one side or another a secular kind of devil and the other side a saint for fighting the devil. Obama himself said it best. Both sides have blood on their hands. Can we just pry these two nations apart and put them into the time out box?

[@tracysample6942]

It's the company she keeps.

[@debrabiderman4275]

You hit the nail straight on. All lives matter. Arabs Jews Ukranians Russian. When innocent civilians are just that. No one lufe is more or less. I am a Jewish Athiest. Religion to me IS the problem. But none of that matters when a baby is blasted by a bomb. When children are kidnapoed and terrorized. When women are still considered war spoilage. The anger sometimes outweighs the reasoning brain.

[@larrymages9304]

Love Naomi Klien. So profound and insightful.

[@Levelistchampion]

The Favreau confusion reminds me of a story I heard from the head of a US government agency, who was psyched for an impromptu meeting with who he misheard as Joe Montana, only to disappointedly meet Joe Mantegna. Personally I'd rather meet the latter, but hey, it happens.

[@justsomedude77]

so im hearing theres a non zero chance steve Bannon sees this?

[@udsting]

Anyone who "trades sides" wasn't on your side to begin with.

[@gingerhipster]

I spent half a decade trying to get ahead of the thing she's talking about in the intro blurb, and even went so far as to build a social media platform intended to be a counterpoint to the mess we had. Elon knows about it. Nobody else is anywhere near my approach and that's very concerning and frustrating because the stuff that's on the table isn't enough. In most of our lifetimes the outcome of our AI efforts will result in the creation of artificial life and the total transformation of our civilization and lives. There's hardly mainstream science fiction that's close to where we're going.

[@gingerhipster]

Steve Bannon isn't nearly as well understood as he should be. I enjoyed this conversation about him. He's key to so much that went wrong with the world because he's worked harder than anyone since Kissinger to implement his ideology on everything, and he was lucky enough to be successful due to his associate with Cambridge Analytica. Clearly his efforts since then shows that he's no savant. This was a really excellent conversation. The intro bit with the tech news is a nice touch.

[@BottleConcreteBlond]

LOL! I remember that first hearing about the other Naomi and thinking "Wait, what happened she used to be so great!" Then I realized my mistake!

[@nikolaiivanovich2094]

I love that the outcome of the interview with Naomi was "go back to 1930s socialist organising."

[@MsJaytee1975]

It’s interesting that for the second time on this podcast someone talking about understanding how people feel about the conflict in Palestine comes across as incredibly unfeeling. I mean if your fears mean you think what Israel is doing is okay, that’s a you problem, and if your child indulges that, they need therapy. If you get angry at hearing Biden is complicit in genocide, tough, he is. Inherent in both those examples is the feelings of those supporting Israel are more important than the lives of those being killed in Gaza. That’s restricting empathy to people who are like you. Maybe it’s because of the type of people I follow, or because I understand protest movements better than either of the hosts, but I haven’t seen many people trying to win arguments. Most people are trying to share information, both about the situation on the ground and about ways to protest. I see people trying to find what humour there is, like Macron trying to tell French people they can’t protest, or Irish people dunking on Irish Americans. The only people I see trying to win arguments are democrats who don’t understand why people are refusing to support Biden after this.

[@pakde8002]

1:22:32 Suggestion for new book title, "The End of Us" America is no longer a homogeneous entity where an existential threat to the nation can bring us together. The pandemic and insurrection showed us that the nation is more divided than any time since the civil war. The two sides can't talk to each other because they exist in separate realities, one based in science, facts, reason and compassion while the other is based in WTAF.

[@fredgarvinMP]

Wet market theorist.

[@CA-hu6ps]

I'd have to disagree if you follow the economist that's not an online culture but one that has not focused on the impact of the war against people. There are dozens of their articles that have danced around the importance of what is happening because they want to avoid the core issues.

[@jcbjcb2]

NK: "We're all on [F]elon Musk's platform" 1. Felon certainly didn't create twitter, though as certainly, Felon is chewing twitter into debris. 2. Many people have gone to Mastodon (servers).

[@raydunn8262]

The Swifties brand gives hope that US democracy survives by helping reelecting Biden.

[@meanpersonable]

Every life matters? Careful with that one. I agree, but . . .

[@georgiacatherinerozelle9110]

you sound drunk. i think the sound speed is wrong

[@user-cr9kj7cn4d]

Does adjusting the playback speed in your application undo the drunkenness sound?

[@LaSmoocherina]

That’s why Libs have gone to threads

[@pgaquigz1125]

How can anyone still defend the clot shot

[@maxrivers261]

Could you do a show on who the Biden Administration really is? Like Joe Biden isn't making rules about AI, oreven the economy. So who is? In other words, who are we being asked to actually vote for? I think that's what they should be putting out to the electorate, not this old guy who is just the face of it but who is the great team is doing so much great Progressive stuff?

[@lornaparis788]

O never go on Elons platform.

[@chris4973]

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain

[@justinlinnane8043]

I had no idea that Naomi Wolf had gone GAGA !! how disappointing

[@aundraeblackwell2949]

She's way to smart for this neo liberal podcast.

[@Robbie_S]

The only way AI can be sold is when you first sell it to China or Russia, allow them to use it in your country, ét voila, now you have to use the AI because the enemies are using it. Business well done by playing over both sides.

[@robincosta8973]

Sorry....I can't stand hearing the word "like" spoken in EVERY sentence. It would be good for commentators to become more aware of their use of "like" where it doesn't belong.

[@litsci1877]

I think you guys are bringing an extremely millennial "feelings" approach to a place where it doesn't work, where the useful take, as distasteful as it might be, is Kissingerian. Because the events are Kissingerian and not therapeutic. Beyond that, Ben's take on his friend Kelly's mom struck me as deeply patronizing. In bad times, synagogues are in fact where Jews get killed. The Tree of Life synagogue is in a lovely neighborhood. I really don't think it's for him to decide whether or not she's in actual danger.

[@schnoodles2612]

Curious, wehere is the outrage for all the Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia. Or all the Ukrainian civilians continuously being attacked and killed by Russia?

[@chris4973]

Why look for conspiracy when stupidity can explain so much Goethe

[@americanexistentialist4756]

when the head of the AI task force for the white house went on the ezra klein show, they got absolutely panned in reviews. People who know about the topic came to the conclusion that the white house has no idea about the topic and has no idea how to regulate it. I have yet to hear of anyone being "impressed" by what the white house is doing in AI.

[@antigonemerlin]

tbh that might just be because of Ezra Klein. He seems like a nice guy. Not really impressed by the work that he is doing. PSA actually has new ideas and great guests.

[@americanexistentialist4756]

well that's the dumbest take I've heard in a while.

[@fredgarvinMP]

Naomi Klein comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted.