Narnia's Hidden Message in Voyage of the Dawn Treader: PART 2

[@mjpetty7]

Excellent work here with this one! "Voyage of the Dawn Treader" is either my favorite Narnian chronicle or tied for first, and I've never once put these pieces together. What an incredible revelation that, truly, makes me think about this one differently. I can't wait for my next "Dawn Treader" re-read!

[@guardadam7420]

True story.... I read this book as a young child. I loved Narnia and it was one of the only books I could stand to read. I read the books in order, believe it or not, I didn't catch the "Christian" hue... until.... The last chapter of the book, when Aslan tells the children they would not be coming back to Narnia and they cried because he would not be going with them.... Aslan revealed to the little ones, he would be with them, he was always with them, and that they learned who he was in Narnia- now, they needed to learn his name on Earth. Jesus. It was such an "OMG" moment, thus, started my real quest- for Jesus (aka Aslan). I was saved on this day, I put all my faith and hope in Christ, and I haven't stopped following since. God, does work in mysterious ways... and he used this story, to lead me home IRL.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Wow, what an amazing story. Thanks so much for sharing it here.

[@judithstrachan9399]

I was already a Christian & caught all or most of the allusions, but Aslan still helped me love Jesus more.

[@karisgranger6013]

That is so amazing!!! Praise God. 🙌 He used C.S. Lewis and this story. He can work through a beautiful story. 🙏🕊✝️

[@ravenlord4]

I like the idea that even though the seven lord's opposed the evil Miraz (and were basically exiled for it), they still had their flaws. And each fell to them without having the support of Aslan -- their good intentions were not enough. Whereas the crew of the Dawn Treader had help from Aslan at each island after Doorn, enabling them to overcome the trials of each island to finish the journey or mission of each person involved. Your discourse on these topics is amazing, sussing out so much hidden meaning from "children's" books! Please, continue your awesome work :)

[@keithtorgersen9664]

Yes, despite the fact they were honorable for investing in Caspian they were still part of a usurping people who trampled on the Old Narnians and pushed them to the brink of extinction.

[@klaraxkat_k6454]

@@ravenlord4 Yes! And with the biblical themes it's showing how having good intentions is not enough, we're human and will have our moments of weakness when facing trials and we still need God's support to mature spiritually from these trials

[@Silverfur]

Voyage of the Dawntreader has always been my favorite of the stories. It was the one that I first saw the biblical themes of the Narnia stories. And it has since caused me to examine every story for such themes.

[@darkladylexy1638]

The Magicain Nephew = Genesis (Obviously) The Lion, The Witch, and Wardrobe = The Crucifixion and Resurrection. The Boy and His Horse = Exdous Prince Caspin = King David Voyage of Dawntrader = Temptation Silver Chair = Faith The Last Battle = Revelations

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Check out my video on the secret timeline of Narnia!

[@classicmiriam]

Me too

[@andrewnorriss7150]

Brilliant piece! Made me reread my 1950's copy of Dawn Treader (published by Bles, 4th impression) and I find at the end of chapter 8, after the discovery of the Lord turned to gold, Rhince turns to Drinian and says 'Well, that's three. Only five more.' Wouldn't that be eight? Do other copies have this mistake? Never miss an Into the Wardrobe! Andrew

[@aletheuo475]

Okay. I think that's won me over. I was rather skeptical, but one should never underestimate dear Jack.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

In light of this new discovery, this is an amazing. One more piece of confirmation. Thank you!

[@Jamie-p7r]

I've been waiting for this video ever since I saw the previous one. Totally worth the wait! I think Voyage of the Dawn Treader may almost overtake The Last Battle as my favourite in the series. Much thanks from one of your fans in South Africa for your work on the channel!

[@kentslocum]

Okay, I've got to admit this is pretty cool. Even if some of the connections seem a bit stretched, the eight sins was a revelation for me! 😊

[@imqxla67]

Oh wow!! This is an amazing discovery. I love how Lewis was able to intertwine these things into his work. This definitely gives a different look at the Voyage and Im here for it! 👏🏻

[@elf1384]

My mind is literally blown away! I will definitely read The Voyage of the Dawn Treader differently now. 📖🦁

[@mrs.manrique7411]

Journeys definitely expose people’s weaknesses, but hopefully only for them to start anew. There’s always a new day! Luke 1:78-79 "A new day will dawn on us from above because our God is loving and merciful. He will give light to those who live in the dark and in death's shadow. He will guide us into the way of peace". Lamentations 3:22-23 "Because of the Lord's great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. They are new every morning; great is your faithfulness".

[@keithtorgersen9664]

Vainglory is sometimes referenced as "Vanity" of which I have definitely heard as a deadly sin.

[@joanware6473]

Thank you, I love it when your channel pops up, C S Lewis was an insightful person.

[@marinakatinic7657]

I'm just reading "Once Upon a Wardrobe" by Patti Callahan. A very beautiful tribute to C. S. Lewis! ❤

[@Samuel-Coroliuc]

I never clicked a video faster.

[@everrettbreezewood3665]

It really got to me when he said "next week" and he really meant "next month" (which is his usual posting pattern, so it must have been a slip-up)

[@WhyDidntIInventYT]

It really is satisfying when the evidence clicks into place, as it did here. Much thanks for this original insight into a great work! One of many medieval influences on the Narniad.

[@izzieingriselli8973]

This is amazing! I've been a fan of Narnia since I was little. I've never thought of VOTDT in this light before. Thanks for posting these videos.

[@GarretGarlinger]

That was amazing! Loved this!

[@DuelKingYami]

Wow! I can’t believe that I never realized this. You are certainly right, my friend - I will definitely never look at Voyage of the Dawn Treader the same way again

[@IntotheWardrobe]

I feel the same way! Hidden in plain sight, isn't it?

[@ridingtherange1]

I find it interesting that the farther from Aslan's own land in the east the farther down the list of sins you go instead of the reverse... the farther from their home in Narnia. Great breakdown as always!!!

[@m_d1905]

Amazing video. Thank you for the insight.

[@marcovier6239]

thanks for the new video dude

[@Numba003]

Dawn Treader has long been my favorite Narnia book, and I think it's very cool how well your theory lines up. It makes sense that they and/or their islands might stand for allegorical temptations if the whole story is analogous to the trials of the spiritual journey of life. Thank you for these wonderful two videos on the topic! Lewis is my favorite author, and it's great to see the meticulous depths of thought he put into these books. God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)

[@tomklock568]

Always interesting to think about the meanings behind Lewis' great stories, thank you!

[@honorgod7110]

This is amazing! Brilliant videos. Lewis was a genius!

[@pastorcoreyadams]

Great two-part video.

[@OSleeperTactical]

I'm so glad there's a place where the Lewis scholarship meets the common or has a popular voice like there is with the works of Tolkien. Hopefully, these sorts of videos will keep the legacy of Lewis going.

[@Lovesloyalty1429]

This is incredible! Thank you for sharing! Now I want to read The Voyage of the Dawn Treader! I was so excited when I saw this!

[@kalmarfanatic04]

That's pretty amazing. I'll definitely be thinking about this the next time I reread VDT

[@doateacher6492]

Great video and really providential timing for me! I just started learning about the 8 evil thoughts from Mother Natalia on the Pints with Aquinas channel. Beautiful insight about an amazing book!

[@earlofbroadst]

Brilliant video!

[@AJD0803]

AMAZING!!!! Thanks for your research and sharing this info!!! My favorite Narnia book just got even better!!!! :) Keep up the excellent work!!!

[@kevinanjos6519]

Very good video! Congratulations!

[@davidmas4924]

Vraiment excellent ! Je n'avais pas fait tous les liens, merci beaucoup pour la vidéo !

[@johnfeather6476]

Wonderful video. I’ve always been fascinated by the concept of the seven deadly sins and how they parallel the seven heavenly virtues. I also like to believe “The Silver Chair” and “The Last Battle” (the last two chronological books) are very important books for people to learn from today since they’re also the darkest stories in the series.They teach the value of finding courage in overcoming adversity in the face of evil as well as standing firm for what you believe in when everyone else is against you. These, I believe, are valuable lessons for people to learn as our world continues to succumb to corruption.

[@OSleeperTactical]

well done with that connection from the medieval era.

[@docsavage8640]

Great video. I never read the Narnia books until I was in my late 30s (probably). Glad I found them, sorry I missed finding them earlier.

[@luthersalazar6764]

Great vedio and great discovery 😊 I wish we had more narnia movies and books 📚

[@DiscipleDojo]

Fantastic video. Just a quick note that the sound is a bit low on this one. Not sure what your levels were when rendering the video, but I had to turn my speakers up much higher than normal. Perhaps it's just on my end, but I figured it's worth mentioning just in case it's not.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Noted! I may try to re-upload this one with a fix in the next week or so. Thanks for the tip.

[@wilhelmsturm1101]

Where are you always getting these amazing illustrations from? Are they some sort of concept or fan art?

[@IntotheWardrobe]

They are created using digital tools, mostly Midjourney and Photoshop. Images can take several hours to make, so I am glad you noticed them!

[@jayt9608]

Tolkien and Lewis are much deeper than they appear, and with them little is by chance or mere happenstance. More, I would add three additional titles that I think should be considered for themes that extend far below the surface. John Bunyon's Pilgrim's Progress is not a common allegorical parable but resonates with subtle themes and quiet wisdom. Charles Dickens' Christmas Carol contains a wealth of material not seen by the indescriminate eye, and A Parish Boy's Progress was the original or alternate title to oliver Twist, being plainly intended to elicit comparisons with the work of Bunyan mentioned earlier. All three of these books root their foundations openly in the Bible and its doctrines, thus they, like it, will resonate with themese and messages ever waiting to be teased from the text.

[@nickmullen2830]

Great video. Thank you.

[@k-dawgwestmore4643]

Interesting stuff!

[@IWS107]

Great video! You should do the silver chair next...it's one of most mysterious books...

[@miked3340]

WOW this is groundbreaking!!! Now we just need to figure out one lord's name meaning. Maybe it was referencing someone he knew who liked mustard? This is the best video yet, and an example of how the internet can be useful as a group-think. Thank you !

[@everrettbreezewood3665]

It is unfortunate when the creator of a video does not recognize a sarcastic comment. An easy mistake when scanning through comments quickly, but it is uncool when he likes comments indiscriminately.

[@miked3340]

@@everrettbreezewood3665 I was not being sarcastic. I am blown away! Besides, written sarcasm is usually preceded by a tilde ~.

[@fredreindljr1996]

Very cool stuff!

[@aletheuo475]

Video starts 2:34, for those who have seen Part I.

[@meloralovesdarkness2495]

A Very Great Alegory, which just skipped by me! Awesome.

[@darktenor4967]

Wow! Dawn tredder has always been my favourite of the Narnia books! Never knew the connection with the medieval list of 8 evil thoughts! Thanks for an amazing analyses. Definitely time I reread the series, and Dawn tredder in particular.

[@marcioa1811]

Greetings from Paraguay 🇵🇾

[@NicholasMcClure]

Love it!

[@bigsarge2085]

Intriguing.

[@somagames]

Nice work! Love it!

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Thanks for supporting the channel, @SomaGames! I'm wearing your Tshirt today!

[@daniellamunoz8894]

Brilliant!

[@kenneyk5260]

This is great.

[@marcioa1811]

I love this kind of content.

[@justintyner9615]

This kind of reminds me of Re:Zero, where the sin archbishops represent the seven deadly sins, but not necessarily the way you would expect, for instance, Sloth isn't lazy, in fact he was the most active archbishop, but he only put in effort to a point. Once Subaru (the main character) had some much needed character development (he was . . . slothful . . . ) and really put in the effort to beat him, Sloth almost immediately caved.

[@lilianaszabo3289]

I ran here so fast!!

[@dustybees6308]

I actually love this. I would love to break it down even further. It was Lord Rhoop that you initially proposed as Envy because of a process of elimination but it didn’t fit until you came to the 8 sins of mid evil dissent. Remember in chapter 2 that Lord Rhoop was the one that Caspian always had a hard time remembering. The well educated by Doctor Cornelius, Caspian who loved history best. I don’t feel he would actually forget a name but it is pointed out at least 3 times in voyage. Then with the last one with Lucy and Vainglory. Notice that Coriakin the star is being punished on this island. Could he perhaps been trying to shine brighter than he actually was. Vainglory. The monopods also on this island. Also pretty sure the only one able to completely ward off and be composed on every island was Reepeecheep. Hence why he could get into aslans land. I will read Voyage with new eyes. Very very interesting. Thank you

[@IntotheWardrobe]

I think you're exactly right about Coriakin. "He who exalts himself shall be humbled." Spot on with Reepicheep. There's so much more here I was unable to go into for the sake of time, but perhaps I should have pointed that one out specifically. I did try to imply it in the closing shot! Thanks for sharing this great insight. Please feel free to add more if anything else comes to you.

[@TheRedStorm-kk3ht]

i love your content

[@tva7263]

Great job on these last two episodes! The one thing I am curious about is that if the order of the eight evil thoughts were so important, and Lewis was trying to represent them, you would think they would have appeared in the same order on the Dawn Treader; they do not appear to mirror anything like the order mentioned by Poniticus. I am curious to your thoughts on that?

[@Disneydreamgirl33]

Bravo!

[@RodericGurrola]

Hey I was wondering is it possible you can do a video about werewolves in Narnia.

[@Dhows]

Very cool

[@MikeSmith-hj9oz]

Also contributing to the thoughts of 8 trails, correct me if I’m wrong, but reepacheep never faltered and even corrected others when they failed throughout the journey, and he is the only one to enter into Alan’s country at the end of the book.

[@uniacke]

Love this I think you nailed it, I'd love to you look at other books as well, I feel like harry potter is very under rated for having rich Christian symbolism,

[@jonathanbrewer7072]

Very impressive. Stuart dwarfs all specialists on Narnia.

[@concken1]

Not Michael Ward.

[@jonathanbrewer7072]

​@@concken1no , everyone

[@jonathanbrewer7072]

ie CS Lewis wrote to a child correspondent there is no Code within the Narnia books. ( Stuart dwarfs Paul Ford and that's saying something.)

[@BanazirGalpsi1968]

I always think of dawn treader as Lewis st. Braenaden

[@tb9k_]

very cool

[@NHGorman]

Watching this the day before I start reading Voyage of the Dawn Treader to my two boys

[@RodericGurrola]

Also still waiting for your video about the space trilogy and the world of Narnia being connected theory. How the wood between the worlds could connect them somehow.

[@chris.awilliams7138]

I'd like to know what you make of Dark Island disappearing when once the Dawn-Treader escapes? I think it's heavily implied that Aslan destroyed it because it was a place of evil. This is something I'd forgotten happening and I don't remember it happening in the BBC adaptation made in the late 80s early 90s (which I highly recommend). In general, this is such a strange place in the world of Narnia, not least because it doesn't fit tonally with anything else apart from possibly Charn and the darkest parts of'The Last Battle'. I leaves so many unanswered questions, most obviously 'what spell was cast over that place to cause the nightmares and why was it cast?' 'What were the nightmares each person was seeing?' (only Eustace gives a description of what he sees), but also 'What was Lord Rhoop eating for of that time, and what was the physical land like'.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Something that's really fascinating about that: In the original British version, Dark Island didn't disappear. That part was added in the American version. I would say that this shows your intuition is right--there is a very important reason Jack decided to write this in to the story. I'll have to think about what that purpose might be, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!

[@chris.awilliams7138]

@@IntotheWardrobe My guess is that it was the work of a malevolent fallen star. We meet two other stars in that part of the sea so it's not out of the question to see a third, and the other two work strong magic so this one could as well. While the are other fallen stars were mostly benevolent, the wizard of the Island of Dufflepuds (Coriakin) did turn the dufflepuds invisible for annoying him. What's more, in the Bible, the star Wormwood poisins the waters of Earth with bitterness, which could be the inspiration for the bitter place that is dark Island. The way Aslan leads the Dawn-Treader out of the darkness is reminiscent of how Aslan leads Trinian and Lucy out of the hole with the Dwarves in the last battle as well, but you could argue that this is a stretch, as Aslan helps many people who believe in him out of dark-places. That's all I've got, and it was mostly pulled together in a hurry, but perhaps it's a starting point for folks with better familiarity with the lore.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

I've often wondered something- as part of the Telmarine culture, Lord Bern and his companions would have scoffed at and been skeptical of the existence of Old Narnians and their culture. But yet Reepicheep talks and walks several times around Bern and yet we don't get any impression on what he thinks. Would he have been as skeptical as Pug, who only thought Reep was trained to do these things, or would Bern have laid down his disbelief and acknowledge Reep as a true Old Narnian and accepted their legends?

[@LordWyatt]

I’ve been looking forward to this😎 Edit: fascinating about the eight evil thoughts. They all come from Pride but the list shows how it goes from excess of basics such as gluttony to selfish Pride and completely turning from God.

[@NarnianTerabithian]

All I can say is... C.S. Lewis was a genius!!! 💯

[@SaltedMeats]

This feels incomplete. If this is an allegory of the seven (8) deadly sins, then certainly Coriakin's sin (whatever it was) comes into play as well as Reepicheep and what he represents. This video is a good start, but there is more to it.

[@everrettbreezewood3665]

It is then 7 deadly sins- in order from lust to pride. Not the eight. Lucy and the others are rehashes of the same points. Eustace, after all, duplicated Octesian in his gluttony (excess physical pleasures). Lucy's supposed "vainglory" was just a prelude to Argoz's pride.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

As someone else pointed out in another comment, Coriakin's original sin may have likely be vainglory as well. There is another famous story of a "star" who thought himself more beautiful than all the other stars and was cast down for it. However, Aslan does state that it is not for men to know the sins of the stars--therefore it may not be relevant to the equation. As for Reepicheep, he is the one who avoids falling into these traps and makes it to Aslan's country, similar to the Christian that overcomes the trials of the world in this life.

[@apebblemaster4570]

Cool!

[@doateacher6492]

Re-watching this now that I've gone back and read the book again. I'm not sure that linking Dark Island to the evil thought of sadness completely solves it. The characters, especially Lord Rhoop, are not sad but terrified, and when they can't escape their fear they are tempted to despair. Maybe Lewis is commenting on despair being linked to the fear that God has abandoned or forgotten you? If so, then the fear of being forgotten/abandoned could link into Caspian's difficulty remembering Rhoop's name. Also, how did Lewis come up with the name "Rhoop"? Google is not helping me here. All the other names have meanings, so I'd assume this one does as well...unless Lewis purposely made Rhoop the only one with a meaningless name, which would be significant too.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

You've hit on a very good point here that may not have been fully fleshed out in the video: I think that the concept of despair isn't actually rooted in sadness but instead in fear, as you mentioned. At its core, despair is not just a hatred for the current place in which someone finds himself in life-- but even more importantly, it's a paralyzing fear that they will remain trapped there forever. So, yes, it seems fear is at the core of despair. This perfectly aligns with the inescapable nature of the dark island. Amazing! Great stuff, thanks for posting.

[@peterholden2016]

@IntotheWardrobe Does this theory complement or negate Michael Ward's theory about each of the books drawing on the medieval imagery associated with one of the planets?

[@IntotheWardrobe]

I think it fits within his schema really well. Planet Narnia has more to do with the "atmosphere" of each book than the specifics of the themes and plots. It's pretty amazing that Lewis could build out layer upon layer that remain in harmony with each other yet are diverse enough to make the entire product much more rich and multifaceted in the end!

[@hollyallen8839]

I always knew this book showed the seven deadly sins, but i love this new info and the additions from medival times!

[@jyndev4570]

Lucy didn't hear what other's 'truly thought of her'; she eavesdropped on a conversation where one of her friends seemingly verbally stabbed her in the back. Aslan revealed that the girl was weak to the intimidation of the mean girls and said things she didn't mean. But Lucy couldn't forget the 'betrayal' and her snooping damaged a good friendship that could have been.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

It was definitely a hurtful moment by people that Lucy thought were loyal friends. Go back and read the description of the spell in the book for more details. My description is accurate. Thanks for commenting!

[@MrTao-iy2nf]

Hey I had a hypothosis that th guadian of duffel island was sent there for casting and tampering with magic creating the viod known as dark island.

[@TheUnalteredMyth]

Would watch this but can’t find part 1 in the description

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Thanks, updated!

[@AbdullahToorMystic]

Portrait of gluttony had me if he isn’t gluttony then i give up.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Lol, I tried to be subtle! :-)

[@paristhomas04]

Have you ever read Lilith by George MacDonald. He was a Scottish minister and poet that inspired Lewis, Tolkien, Engel and others. His work Lilith is seminal to understanding Narnia as Lewis derived many of his ideas from Lilith. George MacDonald is also the guide in Lewis's book The Great Divorce a response to another writers work, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell. Also read the Day Boy and the Night Girl by George MacDonald or the Light Princess as well.

[@Levbronshtein95]

And here I thought it was just exciting adventure book...my my

[@saradowns7842]

C.S. Lewis is a brilliant writer, that's all I have to say. This is explained very well. The only note I have is that I believe Octavian, also known as Augustus, was the second Roman emperor, not the first. (That was his uncle Julius).

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Thanks for watching and listening so closely! I must admit I only did a quick Wikipedia fact check when writing this episode. I Wiki can be wrong , of course. This is what their entry says: "Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus (born Gaius Octavius; 23 September 63 BC - 19 August AD 14), also known as Octavian (Latin: Octavianus), was the founder of the Roman Empire. " Is Wiki wrong on this one?

[@saradowns7842]

@@IntotheWardrobe Maybe they are correct. I know his nephew was also named Octavius/Octavian, at least according to a history book I read in middle school as part of a homeschool curriculum, but maybe it is a name they both shared. (The nephew's sister was also named Octavia, the female version of the name). My understanding is that Julius Caeser, the uncle, began founding the empire, although there was a lot of unrest at the time, and Caeser Augustus, formally known as Octavian/Octavius, took over at his uncle's death. I believe Julius and Augustus are different people, but this entry looks like it may be mixing up their names...

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Truth.

[@gerrimilner9448]

i always thought it sounds like the 7 deadly sins, while reading it, though they have not been taught to me, so I'm not sure what they are exactly, it seemed to fit to me. i just skipped the bits i didn't really get due to lack of cultural understanding, though i looked them up once and was convinced- but the medieval version, this theory sits true!

[@MovieJustin]

To overcome you have to go through and grow. Subscribing to the notion of 'deadly' sins is hateful of being human as they are part of the human condition. Following a legalistic theology is a recipe for self hate and shame. There is spiritually without the denial of self and hopefully you'll find that.

[@glowstickofdestiny1290]

Great video, but I wonder if anyone actually thought the seven deadly sins were the "first list of sins" to begin with. Considering, y'know, there are several such lists that are actually _in_ the Bible, including but not limited to the Ten Commandments.

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

I don't see how to connect the lord who died on Death Island with greed, since he didn't know the water turned things into gold.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

See my pinned comment. I think ultimately it has more to do with the dangers that each person faced, regardless of whether they consciously realized they were falling into the trap.

[@vittoriacolona]

Lol! What a psychological lesson!

[@luke_aaron_crockett]

Question: Im lost at you claiming it's luxury where is Lust ? Is that the self indulgence? Lust doesn't fit the theory well, so I'm just confused why you ignored it

[@IntotheWardrobe]

In the Greek-to-Latin rendering of the 8 Evil Thoughts, the word used is Luxuria, which we now know as Lust. While the word certainly can mean lust specifically, it can also translate as luxury. Though the word lust is understood in the hedonistic sense today, the archaic usage had more to do with an overwhelming desire, or a misplaced longing for pleasure.

[@luke_aaron_crockett]

@@IntotheWardrobe insightful, it actually makes me approach life with a more repentant mindset and to avoid a overwhelming longing for pleasure from frivolous things!

[@IntotheWardrobe]

@@luke_aaron_crockett agreed!

[@Valihir]

I always saw it as: Lone islands gluttony Dragon island greed Death water sloth Duffer island pride Dark island lust Ramandus island wrath End of the world envy

[@jpz420]

i love you

[@MrTao-iy2nf]

Could you do a space trilogy review? I just do not think it is as good as narnia its polished pulp but still pulp however it still has themes and I heard that hideous strength is the best and maybe a comparision about what lewis did write and where he could have improved.

[@oddish4352]

I fail to see how a completely accidental death (Lord Restimar clearly had no idea of what Deathwater's waters did) could be attributed to any sin at all.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Great question. I certainly see how these videos may have given the idea that each of the Lords "sinned", but I don't think that's necessarily a given. I think it's more accurate to say that each of them faced a danger, and each danger they faced is accociated with a temptation in our world. I don't think that the purpose of these "dangers" are to necessarily pin an action or blame on the Lords themselves. For example, I don't think that Rhoop sailed into Dark Island as the result of a sinful choice necessarily. Instead, the point is to highlight the dangers that each Island presents, and to understand that we face similar spiritual dangers in our own lives.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Associating the sin with the island rather than (or as well as) the person.

[@Numba003]

​@@IntotheWardrobeThat was very well explained. Thank you!

[@richardhein534]

I don’t see how one of the lords represent the sin of “lust”.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

As I mention in the video, Luxuria doesn't just mean physical lust, but a desire for pleasure over duty. Lord Bern abandoned his quest to enjoy a comfortable common life.

[@Burning_Babylon]

I love this stuff, but how is not considered blasphemy

[@everrettbreezewood3665]

Blasphemy: Irreverent or impious action or expression in regard to something considered sacrosanct or inviolable Intellectual conversations about spiritual realities are not generally considered blasphemy. It would be blasphemy if it portrayed God in a negative or trivial light.

[@concken1]

7 makes more sense. 8 is aligned with resurrection/new life.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Someone should have told Ponticus! :-) I've also thought seven was an odd number (no pun intended) to assign to a list of sins as well, given the number's biblical association with perfection.

[@ThundersonMusic]

you're just waiting to meet Jack in heaven just to see if he gives you cred for this one.

[@IntotheWardrobe]

Lol so true.