Naruto's Legacy of Contradicting Itself

[@Yodah97]

It's a shame that the idea of weaving chakara and needing to balance the energies didn't play a bigger role. Naruto being born with ungodly amounts of vitality but that being useless until he build up enough mental energy to balance is actually a cool concept. Imagine if while everyone else was sparring and lifting weights, it turned out that the best training for Naruto was meditating and gathering life experience. Effectively having to build up his Wisdom stat. On top of having to build up his chakara control, of course.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

And that could be the excuse to have him learn some special ability that otherwise he wouldn't necessarily be expected to have. Like he ironically stumbles into an expertise people thought he was too dumb for. It maybe he learns about tailed beasts, or the nuances of seals and how they have basically been jacking up his chakra this whole time... Maybe he discovers the toads himself, which would be a better setup for learning sage mode later. Or anything really. Anything would have been cool here. But we got nothing

[@AlteredNova04]

Lmao, I can just imagine Naruto's reaction when Kakashi offers to give him special training to improve his chakra, and then takes him to the library and hands him some textbooks and tells him to start studying

[@AlteredNova04]

@magicsystemmonday9923 it would be a good excuse to have Naruto study fuinjutsu early on, to justify how he's suddenly able to use sealing jutsu later when he takes Kurama's chakra and reseals him

[@Yodah97]

@@AlteredNova04 The anime starts a kickass training montage with hard rock playing. Sasuke is doing pushups in a waterfall. Rock Lee is kicking trees down with his eyebrows. And then cut to Naruto, the music turns to soft jazz, and he's squinting at a poetry book about the meaning of life. Kakashi: "Find 10 symbols in this poem, them we're doing community service at the elder home. You'll ask them about their life stories."

[@TunaHorns]

@@MagicSystemMonday This is a really good idea that explains how he gets stronger during emotional moments in witch he firms his beliefs during fights, his spiritual energy peaks in response to this, or even after then, like after the Nagato fight/conversation he grows as a person aquiring more wisdom and this, in turn, makes him grow in power after he reafirms his beliefs and determination to persue then.

[@70BTHS]

The Byakugan being able to cut through chakra and making it a hard counter to susanoo would have been such a great concept to keep it relevant in Shippuden

[@Deode-d4h]

That's such a great idea. Imagine seeing Sasuke summon his Susano and Neji calls him "scrub" while tearing the Susano a new hole.

[@NyxSakura]

And it would also help with the Otsutsuki stuff in Boruto, since all the Otsutsuki have a Byakugan, so Sasuke would have a natural disadvantage against them.

[@midgetydeath]

@NyxSakura The Byakugan is not required to use the Gentle Fist.

[@calvinstraveldreams]

There is actually a very good Naruto fanfic called White Eyes (basically the Hyuga fall instead of the Uchiha, among other changes) that expands upon this. Specifically, this fanfic introduces the Gokei Byakugan (the Byakugan's equivalent to the Mangekyo Sharingan, with the jutsu Kokosora, Hiragekoma, Kesshotoketsu, and Vishnu), and later a modified and much-improved version of the Tenseigan with a system of counter-chakra and 4 subtypes, those 4 being Voracious (which when combined with Fire Release and Lightning Release creates Amaterasu and Black Lightning respectively), Obdurate (which creates structures that chakra slides off of like oil), Adamantine (which suppresses chakra, as is the case with the Uzumaki Clan's Adamantine Sealing Chains), and Edacious (which absorbs chakra--the fanfic basically headcanons that the jutsu Yoroi used in the Chunin Exams is rooted in the same chakra absorbing properties as Hinata's Twin Lion Fists, Pain/Nagato's Preta Path, and possibly Kisame's Samehada--and basically creates the Edacious subtype of counter-chakra accordingly). Neji in this fanfic is at a similar power level as canon Itachi, and later Hinata at the very end is comparable in power to Sage of 6 Paths Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke.

[@Marquisdre]

It was explained in the beginning Every person in Naruto is born with a certain amount of chakra mostly based on heritage.u don't weave hand signs to make chakra. U do it to manipulate ur chakra output and to switch between the chakra natures . The only chakra that is stated to come externally is nature chakra so it makes alot of sense that u could die from using the chidori since it is very chakra depleting..idk where u got weaving the hand signs makes chakra though

[@renownerd.276]

The funniest part about the rinnegan giving all elements, is that nobody with the rinnegan even cares.

[@Acecard-jl2py]

There is no reason. Why do you need the 5 elements when the rinnegan gives you something more? You don’t need to shoot wind or fire when you can just fire a laser cannon or missiles at your opponents.

[@renownerd.276]

@@Acecard-jl2py Exactly the point, giving the rinnegan 'all five elements' narratively did absolutely nothing.

[@xavierthomas5835]

In all fairness, I believe oje of the overarching problems of Naruto is that the nature of the inspiration of Kishimoto's works often complicates his ideas. The rinnegan, for example is heavily tied to Buddhism. The rinnegan is all about completion and enlightenment. Complete control over self, the world, and all living in it. Which is why, INSPIRATIONALLY, the idea makes sense. By no means, though, does this help the story in any way. It leaves the rinnegan so top heavy that anybody who isn't the rinnegan user or able to use the rinnegan is not worth mentioning. Everything else is dim in comparison to all of its abilities and advantages over every other thing.

[@The_Emperor823]

@@Acecard-jl2py The Rinnegan gives you the ability to steal souls. What's controling some elements compared to that?

[@mixkid3362]

​@The_Emperor823 Exactly The Rinnegans abilities are very conflicting in nature. Why would you try to use jutsu when you can just summon a giant fuck you statue that eats souls and is nigh invincible?

[@Ryuu15]

the worst inconsistency in the entire story is, in my opinion, the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, specifically the "memory sharing" part. Naruto creates thousands of shadow clones, but only after it is explicitly pointed out to him in Shippuuden does he realize "oh I'm actually getting the memories from my clones". I know that Naruto isn't the smartest cookie around, but you'd usually notice something like that. And even if it were due to the fact of him being dumb, in that case Jiraiya should've realized much earlier that Naruto doesn't seem to get the memory sharing, and told him about it, like let's say, on that training trip that was supposed to make him as strong as possible to survive against Akatsuki?

[@Brutalyte616]

Bear in mind Naruto's early training was more physical and personal, with Jiraiya devoting the bulk of the timeskip trying to teach Naruto how to use the Nine-Tails, and educating him on basic stuff he overlooked in the academy, like how to deal with basic Genjutsu; he didn't even attempt to teach him Sage Mode or really expand on his contract with the Toads until AFTER the timeskip, and even then the bulk of that was AFTER Jiraiya's death.

[@Ryuu15]

@@Brutalyte616 Everything you said just supports that Jiraiya should've told Naruto about the Shadow Clone memory sharing earlier. Naruto could've learned about multiple things like tactics and Genjutsu at the once. He could have like 2 Shadow Clones learning theoretical stuff, while his main body gets taught how to use the fox or does physical training.

[@Brutalyte616]

@@Ryuu15 That would imply that Jiraiya was actually a good teacher. Like once he nearly got killed trying to have Naruto use the Kyuubi Chakra Cloak at a higher level, he should have immediately started his Senjutsu training or taught him anything else over the timeskip to make him less reliant on the then unstable power of the Nine-Tails. And in fairness, the basics that Jiraiya taught him were things that wouldn't have been augmented by learning with Shadow Clones, and the Shadow Clone Jutsu is classified as a Kinjutsu, not just because it's incredibly powerful and requires an absurd amount of chakra to perform safely, but also because of the mental strain it can cause. Most people could only use a handful of clones at a time, but Naruto can casually create dozens of them, so the risk of serious mental damage from information overload would have to be considered. After all, Senjutsu training demonstrated that carelessly using Shadow Clones in some situations could be extremely dangerous.

[@Ryuu15]

@@Brutalyte616 the "mental strain" is the reason why I was quite conservative with the number of shadow clones in my example. Two clones won't cause information overload and they leave Naruto with more than enough Chakra. There was a lot of stuff they could've done, either gaining knowledge while main Naruto does other stuff or they could've also trained things like chakra control (just like they did post-timeskip). There's no reason to defend Kishimoto's inconsistency. Although I agree that Jiraiya is a terrible teacher.

[@doggerlander]

@@Brutalyte616 jiraiya is a good teacher and the narrative and themes constantly support this. The reason naruto learned nothing in the 3 years is because of bad writing.

[@alex-rs6ts]

Another issue has to do with the Sharingan. Tobirama explains that when an Uchiha experiences profound emotion, their brain has a change and it gets reflected on their eyes. This implies that the eyes themselves don't matter, that they are just a visual representation of the change. It would make sense, as Madara is able to use the Susanoo without any of his eyes. However, it contradicts every single time Sharingan transplants seem to work.

[@wisequigon]

maybe you don't need the eyes to create a chakra titan around you, maybe you just unlock the ability to do it by having the eyes and then you can do it the same as focusing chakra in the shape of the Susanoo... we don't know enough

[@Artistwannabe]

@@wisequigon I don't know why that's confusing. Susanoo is stated to be the 3rd jutsu after unlocking the power in both your eyes. Key-word here is "unlocking". Because it is not tied to any eye directly (as stated that each eye has it's own unique ability in the verse) there is no reason for Madara not to use Susanoo without eyes. He unlocked that ability and nowhere really is it tied to eye-sight.

[@wisequigon]

@@Artistwannabe yeah, but tell it to @alex-rs6ts :))

[@draconis17]

he wasn't saying that it's weird for Madara to use Susanoo (in fact he said the opposite), he was saying that it's weird that Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan exists, and it's weird for Kakashi to be able to use Obito's eye, e.t.c., because of the brain chemistry explanation.

[@doggerlander]

@@Artistwannabe then why cant kakashi use the susanoo after losing the sharingan?

[@PhantoRoyce]

I always found it weird that Sharingan is introduced as primarily an ability used to copy enemy’s jutsu but Kakashi is the only one who do it except for sasuke that one time

[@oscarlinderbrandt6870]

Maybe a lot of uchiha can copy jutsu but choose not to in order to surprise later on or conceal their knowledge.

[@abrarahmad6370]

"copy enemy’s jutsu" shouldn't even be a power (be it uchiha or any other clan), more so if the person copying DOESN'T HAVE THE FRICKIN ELEMENTAL CHAKRA NATURE OF THE ENEMEY!!! - but Kakashi can copy from all 4 elemental chakra nature enemies and it is implied that he can copy wind style too wtf?!?! uchiha should only have Hightened Perception! (And not reaction speed mind you), and if you want I'll even throw in the mangekyo, susanoo stuff but NOT COPYING JUTSU! but if they have that same nature then fine, still that's way way to overpowered and should consume 2x chakra. Handicaps are necessary

[@hazelcrisp]

@@abrarahmad6370 Using jutsu that is not your natural affinity does consume more chakra and the user is less efficient at it. It's why you don't see many Ninja use more than usually 3. It's like this, every ninja has an affinity on a scale of 1 to 10 of each element. Like Sasuke is strong with fire and lightning, Kakashi is strong with Lightning and Earth. So when they do copy and use jutsu outside their strongest elements it does consume more and is more hard work for the user. Sharigan gives them the ability to copy it but they have to be proficient to make the most of it. Sasuke could technically copy a water style but it would talk a lot out of him than copying lightning or fire jutsu. They could use other elements more often but for them it's better to just stick with the 2-3 they prefer and master it. Only very few ninja naturally utilise all five with good proficiency.

[@falajose3080]

seems like a headcannon @@hazelcrisp

[@sudeeptoshoron4755]

@@abrarahmad6370 to me copying jutsu seemed more like people with sharingan just can see the handsigns others using more clearly, that's what Kakashi and Sasuke did, well for Sasuke it was more like seeing how rock lee moves

[@AlteredNova04]

You know, ever since Juugo tried to kill the Raikage with a raw chakra blast, I've also wondered why nobody ever just does like a Kamehameha beam with their chakra. There really doesn't seem to actually be anything preventing that from being a viable technique.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

You know what else is funny? Apparently elemental jutsu are more powerful because you "add" elemental chakra, its somehow a separate process. Why don't people just ad more normal chakra? There's probably an answer, just not a good one. I've also noticed that despite this, the writer writes characters as if additional elemental chakra added to their abilities isn't a further drain on their chakra, despite them being allegedly difficult, and despite the fact that they are literally adding more chakra.

[@AlteredNova04]

@magicsystemmonday9923 it really is strange how rare non-elemental offensive ninjutsu are, considering that they should be inherently much easier to learn than elemental ninjutsu. Like, we've seen a number of ninja channeling lightning and wind nature chakra into their bladed weapons to increase cutting power, but I can't recall seeing any ninja ever flowing raw untransformed chakra into their blades. Only samurai do that... for some reason. Shouldn't that be a basic ninjutsu technique most ninja have mastered by the time they become chuunin? Or like, couldn't you create a basic ranged "chakra ball" attack just by performing a fireball jutsu and skipping the "add fire nature chakra" step? How come we never see low level ninja firing basic chakra blasts at each other?

[@magnusm4]

Remember when Jiraiya taught Naruto to break genjutsu and he accidentally pushed him into the river with chakra? Or in the movie where Menma could stop projectiles mid air and push Naruto with chakra? Or Gaara's childhood friend levitating and throwing knives without threads just eminating chakra? Or any water walking/tree climbing? Just push chakra out of anywhere.

[@morgannyan2738]

@@AlteredNova04 ''but I can't recall seeing any ninja ever flowing raw untransformed chakra into their blades'' I guess Asuma, Ao. Mirao, Shikamaru, Boruto and Kabuto dont exist?

[@AlteredNova04]

@morgannyan2738 Asuma and Shikamaru flow elementally transformed chakra into their blades, not raw chakra. Kabuto doesn't flow chakra into a blade, he uses an advanced medical ninjutsu called chakra scalpel. None of those other characters use basic chakra blades in the Naruto manga, and I don't read or watch Boruto. Also my point, which flew right over your head, is that going by the mechanics of chakra and jutsu as they are explained to us, raw chakra flow into a blade logically should be a common and basic technique that many low level ninja would use. But instead, it's only common among samurai and it's a rare technique used by only a small handful of elite shinobi. That's weird.

[@Danny_Deleto]

This is why sometimes less is more. I like complex and restrictive magic systems, but at least make the foundation simple and coherent. Naruto taught me a lot for when I started working on my own magic system, and I'll always be grateful for that.

[@wisequigon]

can you give me some details about your magic system, I try the same, more or less alter this Naruto's system

[@marvinsteven3874]

@@wisequigon Lol, I did the same but eventually just changed into a SuperHero power system like Mha where to get stronger you need either hard training (For control and naturally trigger an evolution), Trauma (Sparks an evolution that betters control or makes it too powerful and hurts the user), Using specific drugs or other ways that are long to explain.

[@comyuse9103]

it wasn't even that complex, the mangaka is just a hack who can't keep his world building straight.

[@wyattbottorff2473]

​@@comyuse9103I wish I could disagree.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

it's just incoherent

[@Dramon8888]

I think we make excuses or headcanon about how this shit works because we like things to make sense. You end up with as many explanations as people that watched the series though, and then Kishimoto throws that out of the window contradicting himself and we have to make a new explanation that in reality is not supported by the story... A lot of us may want to actually write a series with a magic system that makes sense, but that doesn't pay the bills, on the other hand headcanon is easy lol.

[@kanck7909]

Agree 👍

[@nicolas._.2294]

Who cares if it pays the bills anyway?

[@DrKnockOut1115]

My main issue toward the end was the revelation that chakra, which is supposed to be something people create themselves from their stamina, is actually a foreign substance from a magic fruit.

[@1BadAssArchAngelvs14]

Chakra did not come from "Chakra magic fruit trees" this does not make any sense since kaguya and her son Hagomoro Otustsuki and the other Otsutuki clan members can use chakra even before the chakra tree planting thing happend. The chakra fruit tree only amplifiys ones own chakra it does not give the use of chakra. People in Naruto's world only began using chakra when Hagomoro Otustsuki's two sons Ashura and Indra passed the knowledge of how to use and channel chakra to the people around them. The chakra Fruit tree was only used by Kaguya Otsutsuki to give her more power to prepare to fight the other Otsutsuki clan members if they came to Naruto's earth in order to keep producing "Chakra Fruits" Kaguya had to absorb the life of the native people around Kaguya Otsutuski ,so Kaguya can fend off the other Otsutsuki clan members she fears of when they come for her.

[@DrKnockOut1115]

Is this from filler? I’m basing it off the info given in the manga.

[@1BadAssArchAngelvs14]

@@DrKnockOut1115 No this is from the Boruto manga explaining the whole issue with Kaguya Otsutsuki Betraying Isshiki Otustsuki that Kaguya Otutsuki had no intentions of going back with the other Otsutsuki clan members, so she prepared the whole chakra fruit and Zetzu army to fight off the other Otsutsuki clan members since she knew that she betrayed the Otsutsuki clans orders to suck the chakra out of Naruto's world which Kaguya Otustuki did not want to do since Kaguya made relationships with someone on Naruto's world which was forbidden for the Otutsuki clan to even seek marriage so in this case Kaguya Otsutsuki getting married to someone from another world was forbidden ,for the Otsutsuki clan since the Otsutsuki clans mission is to seek a higher Divine plain beyond the afterlife and love is pretty much forbidden for the Otsutsuki clan since they need to suck all the life dry to ascend even higher. In Naruto Shippuden during the pain arc pain takes the lives of everyone but during this Kakashi Sensei is in the Afterlife after being killed by one of the pains Talking with his father the "White Fang" Then when Naruto "talks No Jutsu" Pain he brings everyone he killed back then Kakashi talks about his brief meeting to himself with his father the "White Fang" when Kakashi gets resurrected by Pain. The scene when Kakashi sensei is Talking to his father in the afterlife when pain kills almost everyone was even in the anime Kakashi's father the "White Fang" tells Kakashi when he gets resurrected by pain that while in the Afterlife that his sons time is not up yet like unlike his own Kakashi tells his father thank you before Pain Resurrects everyone.

[@DrKnockOut1115]

@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 Ah, I see. I haven't touched Boruto.

[@66maybe66]

You have it backwards. The fruit isn't the original source of chakra. Chakra is made by refining the physical/spiritual/nature energy present in living beings, and in the world itself. The divine tree steals that energy from the world through its roots and turns it into chakra in pretty much the same process humans and animals do, which it then condenses into a chakra fruit for easy consumption by the Otsutsuki.

[@squiremontressor3747]

Quick! Somebody give him another video idea before he disappears for three more months!

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Do it. I'm waiting

[@lordwarryl5712]

Spiral Energy

[@BenitoLSantos]

@@MagicSystemMonday The Force from Star Wars. Harry Potter's Witchcraft And Wizardry. Alchemy from fullmetal alchemist. Maybe one proving or disproving or rewriting Clarke's Third Law? I'm just throwing stuff out there, somebody probably has tons better ideas than me.

[@Nihilism110]

@@MagicSystemMonday SPIRIT ENERGY FROM YUYUHAKUSHO

[@Wheyzardo]

@@MagicSystemMonday how would you make a better magic system than avatar the last air bender and Hunter X Hunter?

[@kevino13]

I never liked how the chakra system developed once elemental natures were thrown into the mix. I mean, each person having an inherent elemental affinity is a neat idea, and even locking the combined elements behind kekkei genkai is fine to keep them special. But setting up the element system so that the vast majority of people can only use one element and must actively train for years to learn additional elements just throws much of the original Naruto into question. If all this elemental stuff is inherent to how Jutsu's work, why is this some kind of grand reveal to Naruto years after graduating from the Academy? Why wouldn't the Academy have tons of the Chakra paper, and each student gets evaluated to see what their nature is? Seems pretty important to being a good ninja, but maybe those are secrets saved for higher ranked ninja... And Ying & Yang Chakra are just thrown on top of all that! Even if you assume that basic non-elemental Jutsu's might not need pure Yin or Yang chakra, or if default chakra is actually balanced Yin-Yang but never mentioned, then wouldn't THIS be mentioned at the Ninja Academy? Naruto might not have paid attention in class, but after this stuff is introduced it retroactively seems pretty integral to how Jutsu's work at a baseline level. Maybe Naruto sucks at using regular Ninjutsu because he never properly learned how Chakra works.

[@orianefaton1885]

Even if this was the case, he was with Sakura, that, had she realised it was THIS bad, she would have taught him to make sure he understand. She did explain to him during the tree climbing excercise so she would have likely done so there too. (although maybe also nagged him like : What were you even doing in class to not have ANY memory of this ? ... you know what, I don't wanna know"

[@MaxIronsThird]

From what i understand Elemental Techniques are Chunin level, that's why Kakashi is impressed that Sasuke has such a good control over his Fire techniques.

[@somanchipranav1964]

Because kids can't just understand and perform them at such an age and can't gain proper understanding of the techniques. There is a reason why it is chuunin tier.

[@hainleysimpson1507]

@@somanchipranav1964But children can become chuunin, exampules include zabuza, itachi, kakashi

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

@@hainleysimpson1507 those are rare and each one was special. Minato at 15 took on full kurama and would've won if not for his injury and 5% chakra he was using against Kurama. Kakashi learnt the rasengan as a kid then made his own jutsu based on it called chidori. Later creating raikiri the s rank version then purple lightning which is superior+no need for sharingan. Zabuza killed all his classmates and their exams were different. Itachi and Shisui are prodigies amonst prodigies. The only normal prodigy is Sasuke and he learnt fire style at a young age. Then lightning too because he had bigger reserves than anyone his age (him and Naruto). The others would learn that later (konoha 12 and sand genin). As for Temari we can also guess she was above the rest and was older too.

[@tonywilliams6294]

I remember when Chakra just was the result of energies being mixed. Then we suddenly had Kaguya: "Give me my Chakra back! I'll suck it out of the people of this world!!" How would she do this, Kishimoto? Wasn't Chakra generated through a taught energy mixing technique that becomes second nature to those who learn it? This means not everyone has Chakra despite a lot of later statements in Shippuden declaring everyone and everything has Chakra.

[@milkman4742]

Kaguya sees the worlds chakra as hers because she sees earth as hers and it’s inhabitants as food. Kaguya came to earth for the purpose of planting the Ten Tails, Have it suck up the chakra of all life and consuming the chakra fruit Every living thing has chakra, Hagoromo gave people the knowledge to use it.

[@orianefaton1885]

@@milkman4742 They still have their point though. It was said that chakra was consciously created. YOU need to make the active choice, after learning how to, to mix your two energy into one. It would mean that people when in stasis because of the tree, sure, they have still the two energies, physical and spiritual BUT they aren't mixing them. Unless in this instance, the tree is the one doing the mixing after absorbing the energy, then, nevermind.

[@milkman4742]

@@orianefaton1885 That’s not really what’s implied considering characters have been able to see chakra flow in the series for as long or longer than they’ve been described as ‘creating it’ + Genjutsu manipulating the chakra in peoples brains or Kurama needing to actively mould chakra despite being made of it Chakra always exists naturally in everyone, The action they’re referring to is pulling off a piece of it and moulding it for ninjutsu

[@jamespegram6260]

I mean who wouldn't want some crazy ass alien 👾 mommy domi to suck them for their sweet essence and I hope it's the Chakra that comes out

[@diegorodriguez8006]

@@milkman4742just want to point out they plant the ten tails and that absorbed the planets life and the tree makes into chakra or the aliens convert it

[@MADKapo]

Also you make a great point about the "chakra storage". I always thought that was bullshit. Character would just run out of chakra and then get it back whenever it was convenient, expecially during the war arc.

[@m0002856]

Oooh as for the Byakugan and it's special "Gentle Fist" technique, I think this is another example of the writer doing something SO CLOSE to making perfect sense in universe. Really, he just needed to tweak the ability to be a bit more specific to physically being able to see the active chakra network. The answer could have been as simple as needing to time your strikes with the natural rhythm of the chakra flow such that you're striking a specific point right as chakra passes through it. Like imagine I dunno maybe chakra doesn't flow in a continuous state like water but more like the beat of your heart or even something like... when your heart beats, it causes a slightly higher than normal surge of chakra through your flow. You'd need to be able to see this specific timing and specific point of larger than normal flow to strike it at the exact correct time. Blam, no more inconsistency. Somebody COULD do this technique without the ability to see the chakra flow, but you would just be throwing out wild guesses that were statistically impossible to actually pull off. Since the entire point of the technique is to damage the chakra flow and NOT the person, you would be essentially throwing out random pokes praying that you strike enough points to disable somebody before they just cut you in half. Not very effective if it's that big of a gamble.

[@joelsasmad]

Not everyone's bodies are the exact same. Tenketsu points are based on acupuncture points in real life. These points you can study to know where they should be but usually an acupuncturist would still need to take their time finding the specific point on an individual. Trying to do that in a fight against an actively resisting opponent is insane and randomly throwing gentlefist strikes in the general area where a point should be as opposed to just stabbing them with a kunai is likely to get yourself killed. In this way the Byakugan allowing you to actually see these points is a massive advantage and makes perfect sense that they are pretty much the only ones this works for.

[@exotericidymnic3530]

This is a very understandable thing to forget, since Kishimoto himself forgot, but the 64 palms is merely an advanced technique of the gentle fist, the gentle fist itself is about bypassing defense and striking internal organs, an attack type that is greatly helped by being able to see those organs with theyl byakugan (although expert medical ninja like kabuto have used similar techniques).

[@abrarahmad6370]

But then how would you explain Tsunade being medical ninja who knows about chakra nodes and can perform surgery even though she can't see active chakra network or chakra beats when they flow as you mentioned?

[@LuciferArc1]

Could have given her a jutsu tied to her seal or she uses the slug to guide her. Idk. Theres ways you could. Possibly a chakra link as well since this would be an incapacitated person or cooperating individual. So by syncing, you could feel the flow ​@abrarahmad6370

[@xavierthomas5835]

​@@abrarahmad6370ridiculous amounts of expertise. It's the same in real life, really. Being able to retain lots of info and what that knowledge relates to is very important to surgery and many other fields for that matter

[@AntiZubat]

“Go talk to your friends who watch Naruto” That might be a bit hard for most people 😢

[@wisequigon]

I am free to talk to anyone that wants this, not because I don't have friend to talk to, it's because the anime is over and there is nothing to discuss about it.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

@wiseman4515 BuT wE sTiLl HaVe BoRuTo

[@memiix]

@@MagicSystemMonday bruh if i start talking about boruto im getting bullied on top of having no friends

[@nananamamana3591]

Just to touch on something on how important this magic system is to its world. So, the Land of Iron and its Samurai are stated, in universe, to be so stupendously powerful a nation that *no* hidden village would be able to go against them, despite the samurai having *no* ninja. When asked why, it's stated that the samurai of the land of iron can swing a sword *faster* than a ninja can preform handsigns (they don't mention weaving chakra in this, but, it can be assumed that too is a problem). It is in fact, for this reason, that swordsman in *general* are treated as very real, very dangerous counters *TO* ninjas. It is why ninjas employ ninja tools, it is why masters of Taijutsu are so dangerous (the ONLY person Itachi ever *retreats* from, full stop, is Might Guy. He is on a 3v2 fight with Kisame vs. Kurenai, Kakashi, and Asuma and he's *fine* with that. When Might Guy shows up he immediately calls the retreat for him and Kisame). The handsign system is *so* fundamental to to the magic system, that the *WORLD POLITICS* are resting upon this. Kishimoto is a hack.

[@sdbzfan1]

damn I forgot how Itachi, the prodigy was like "Yo we need to Go" when Guy showed up and knew how to avoid the Sharingan Yeah handsigns were very vital and most of Naruto just kinda does away with it because it was too difficult to do on a consistent weekly basis, its good flavor text if nothing else The chakra thing on the other hand can't be excused

[@comyuse9103]

man imagine if an actual artist got to make their big ninja project instead of kishimoto

[@Verebazs]

"So, the Land of Iron and its Samurai are stated, in universe, to be so stupendously powerful a nation that no hidden village would be able to go against them, despite the samurai having no ninja" No. You either misremember, or are intentionally lying. What is stated about the Land of Iron, is that they don't have a Hidden Village there, because instead of ninjas, it's protected by samurai. Noone ever said, anything that can even be misconstrued as "they're more powerful than the Hidden Villages". "When asked why, it's stated that the samurai of the land of iron can swing a sword faster than a ninja can preform handsigns " Again, no. You're once again, either misremembering, or intentionally lying. The "swinging the sword faster than a ninja can weave handsigns" thing was specifically about Mifune, not samurai in general. It was to highlight the skill of one specific character, not about introducing a generally viable hardcounter for ninjutsu. " It is in fact, for this reason, that swordsman in general are treated as very real, very dangerous counters TO ninjas." Never happens. You're still misremembering or lying. "the ONLY person Itachi ever retreats from, full stop, is Might Guy" More misplaced memories or falsehood. He did the same with Jiraya. "He is on a 3v2 fight with Kisame vs. Kurenai, Kakashi, and Asuma and he's fine with that." Again, forgetting, or intentionally ignoring the big picture. Itachi wasn't there to start a fight in the first place. He was fine with fighting those 3, because he was confident he can subdue them quickly and without drawing too much attention. When Guy arrived, he outright warned Itachi, that several ANBU squads are on their way. They had to get out, before it turned into a full-on battle. "The handsign system is so fundamental to to the magic system, that the WORLD POLITICS are resting upon this." You're literally reading BS into the story that was never there, based upon your faulty memories. "Kishimoto is a hack." You and the creator of this, and every similar nitpicky BS video are the hacks.

[@nahuel3433]

Itachi retires because he is a double agent and doesn't want to kill everyone. Like through that entire scene he makes Kisame step back and not go wild because Kisame would just indiscriminately kill. Yet Itachi (while violently) just incapacitates his every opponent. And Gai was avoiding his genjutsu so he had to change tactics. The Samurai aren't all that big a deal. Mifune is the only one that could ever face a high level ninja. They are good against the grunts.

[@kamitaku4548]

​@@VerebazsW. When he said wore powerful than the hidden vilkages I was like WTF.

[@jimmytaylor4102]

The wrost is them saying the huyga was the strongest in the leaf then two episodes later they threw that out the window n made every single Uchiha extremely broken lol

[@KaitoDP]

They literally had only one Uchiha left the clan is pretty much extinct… With the Uchiha and Senju gone the Hyuga are probably the strongest clan in the leaf.

[@anvos658]

The sharingan becoming OP isn't so much a flaw in the magic system, just a power ending up power crept thanks to deciding the tailed beast could be mastered.

[@montyx2333]

Oh man, if only those damn Uchiha weren't the main antagonists of the story, the issue with your assumption is that EVERY Uchiha has the sharingan much like the hyuga have the Byakugan, which is not the case. Plus, we can see that the 1 tomoe and 2 tomoe sharingan versions are inferior to a Byakugan in visual prowess, as soon as that 3rd tomoe comes in, then the sharingan is objectively a better dojutsu coupling that with a MS which have only ever been developed (in canon) by Itachi, Sasuke, Izuna, Shisui Obito and Madara. Not every Uchiha can awaken a sharingan, even less can develop a 3 tomoe sharingan and only a handful of members have been confirmed to have awakened the MS. Including that IF you do awaken a MS you can only use it a number of times before you go blind and loose any and all access to your vision and visual jutsu, which can only be regained by obtaining a close relatives eyes, you can see how a clan where EVERY member has access to a Byakugan can be called stronger than a clan where only few people can awaken, develop and progress through the different sharingan phases.

[@jimmytaylor4102]

@@montyx2333 naw the gentle fist is the deadliest move in the verse it's already been stated to damage ur internal organs n no matter how strong u are u can train that

[@montyx2333]

@@jimmytaylor4102 no? It's not the deadliest move in the verse? There are plenty jutsu that are more dangerous than the gentle fist. Plus, generally if you are outside of the range of the gentle fist, they can't do anything to you (unless they use a airpalm, which is easily dodgeable)

[@m0002856]

Yeah I do think they stumbled a bit here in the system. It sucks because there was a really solid foundation for so many of these concepts to actually work. "Why does running out of chakra kill you?" They could have easily said that it's not the fact that you run out of the specific thing known as "chakra" but running out of PHYSICAL energy kills you. They could have even come up with an interesting system whereby you are able to weave chakra not perfectly balanced but the ratio would need to be way off so like... Example of what they could have done: Instead of needing to be 1:1 you could do 2:1 or some other ratio one way or the other which could lead to situations where you're low on spiritual or mental chakra and go too far tapping into your physical reserves and die. The perfect way to weave chakra would still be 1:1 as that uses less total amount of energy, but this could have been used to explain why the Chidori could kill Sasuke. Maybe it could have been said that his physical reserves were larger than his spiritual, so he would need to continually tap way too far into his physical reserves and die as a result. But they didn't do that. The explanation for why Kakashi was stuck in a coma after the Mangekyo experience could have been explained that he was drained of all or most of his spiritual eneregy. If they had established that losing all your physical energy leads to death, they could have also explained that losing all your spiritual energy leads to a permanent coma. Like basically, he should have explained something like, "Physical energy needed to make chakra is the literal essence your body uses to function. Muscles moving, heart beating, lungs breathing. Spiritual energy is your mental state." AND THEN BLAMMO. Easy explanation here. Too low physical energy and you die because your body can't perform natural function. Too low spiritual energy, and your brain can't function so you are not in control of your body. You'll still be "alive" but it's the same thing as somebody in a coma. They're there but they can't control anything or wake up.

[@netero1682]

The fandom complicates the issue of energies and the power system sometimes unnecessarily, as they believe they know more than Kishimoto, but when I read them, I see that Kishimoto did much better than the fandom with his fanfic.

[@abrarahmad6370]

@@netero1682 🤓ah yes.... someone who sees Kishimoto as their lord and savior, who isn't capable of bad writing

[@abrarahmad6370]

Damn this would have been so epic!

[@netero1682]

@@abrarahmad6370 Kishimoto, even with his mistakes, did a much better job than the vast majority of fanfics, if not all, and also much superior and better than the fanfic in the comment above. 🤡🤡

[@abrarahmad6370]

@@netero1682 The entire VIDEO you watched showed you the major inconsistencies in the stories magic system, do you outright deny them? you still can't see the point? I'm a fan of the story but still I can see missed potencials in many areas and can see where the bad writing lies. It's not about fanfiction, it's about realising that the story could have been way better if Kishimoto put more thought into the magic system.

[@chicopluma]

As much as I love the rasenshuriken, naruto dropped the ball making it. It was already more cost effective and efficient than the chidori. Then he turned it into a nuke that consumes so much energy that only becomes usable once he unlocks infinite chakra mode. Worse is, he uses an effortless wind style rasegan in a combo with yamato right before using rasenshuriken, so it exist. We then see hanzo just blowing air into shurikens and I'm left wondering if he just wanted to nuke people around.

[@OBsurdityTV]

Uh Rasenshuriken is a one shot for 99% of the verse. You thinking too deep on that one

[@joelsasmad]

Chidori is less cost efficient but has the benefit of raw speed. Enemies can more easily counter Naruto running at them with a rasengan(at least at normal size) than Chidori which pushes the user to speed beyond what they can even control without sharingan. As for Rasenshuriken the ability to throw it is massively valuable.

[@netero1682]

I like everything about the Rasen Shuriken, I don't see anything wrong with it.

[@midgetydeath]

To be fair, most jinchuuriki have good reason to want to throw nukes around.

[@memiix]

even the storm games did the rasenshuriken better in the manga he wastes 2 (maybe 3 i dont recall) rasenshurikens like an idiot while in the game he uses just 1 to finish off kakuzu

[@Ultima1134]

I always assumed Chidori was visible cuz its lightning and chakra threads are invisible and only the audience is privy to them. Otherwise, The guy fighting Kankuro in the Chunnin exam wouldn't have fallen for the trick of him switching places with his puppet

[@MagicSystemMonday]

1. chidori isn't the only use of chakra that is visible, as at the very least we have proven that rasengan is visible. Chakra strings can be seen, as we see for certain later in the sasori fight, but its also implied that they are hard to see. In fact, this is a common occurrence when it comes to strings and wires in anime because they are so thin. Fore example, the time shikamaru saved naruto from stepping on a wire, which had an even smaller trap under it. why? Because wires are naturally hard to see. we also see thins a number of times with Kakashi and sasuke occasionally using wires to fight and having them become visible out of nowhere even if they were technically already there.

[@yert5035]

@@MagicSystemMonday you are a narutard. formed jutsu are different from raw chakra.

[@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

​@@MagicSystemMondayshaping chakra literally gives it form bruh its in the name, hence it being visible. Raw chakra has no form its amorphous. Like even in dragon ball ki isnt usually visible until its concentrated into an attack or if someone is insanely strong. Its really not that complicated

[@theNicholas1117]

​@@yert5035 thank you, I was just thinking the same thing... 😂 I even paused to check the comments

[@proclarushtaonasat]

@@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT CONCENTRATED energy should be visible, which was implied to be a herculean feat at the time, to the point that ninetails-level of power was required. just taking an amorphous blob of chakra, and making it round shouldnt be visible, youd have to compress and/or supercharge it on top of that to create that effect, at least with the earlier explanations, which back then was tailed-beast-level stuff.

[@Inugamirukazu]

I always understood that the defect Rock Lee had on his chakra coils made it so he couldn't EXPEL chakra, but still could move around his own body

[@amiablereaper]

Yeah that makes perfect sense

[@eiric6958]

I would like to try to mental gymnastics this power system, so here I go. I believe Haku was surprised that anyone that is not a Kage could produce such high amounts of dense visible chakra(btw Naruto is still a child genin). It is generally accepted that chakra in its raw form is invisible, but huge amounts of dense chakra is visible, it's just super rare so it's just assumed that it's invisible. Maybe Haku personally never experienced fighting someone with chakra on the same level as Naruto(kyuubi amp), it could have just assumed it as a tall tale to him. I believe the accuracy of pressure points is only possible with byakugan during a fight. Medical ninjas usually have time to figure out the chakra point on the patient's body. Even with knowing the locations of the chakra point might help, each human might have a slightly different point, like 2 cm to the left, or deeper in the skin. Neji's rotation defence uses physical visible chakra to defend, Gentle fist doesn't cut through chakra objects like anti magic, it cuts through chakra objects as cutting anything enhanced with chakra requires chakra, for example chakra made the rods 10 times stronger, Neji could do the same for his fingers or create dense chakra blade 11 times stronger to cut. He can do it efficiently as he can see where and how much he needs to use chakra to cut. It's also possible that chakra levels are genitic, juat like any other trait like hair colour, what if by vitality of the uzumaki clan they ment life force, here life force is both physical and mental energies togeather, since chakra=life fore(you die without it) people have diffrent levels of it. It does increase with effort and time, but some shinobi just have higher levels of it. Lots of humans can run, they can run good with training and effort, but there is only one Usain Bolt. It's possible usage of chakra in it's raw form is simply inefficient, someone with high chakra levels like Minato, Jiraya and Naruto who don't have to worry about, but a raw chakra blast is simply inefficient compared to a ball of fire, raw chakra seems like a fule that can be manupulated, so hitting someone with a block of coal would hurt, but light it on fire and now we are talking, a Jinchiriki can affoud to just dump a literal ton of it on someones face to win, but human shinobis seem to have to manage their chakra much more effectively. Rasengan is the only one that seemed to work as it was based on a Bijuu dama, which is used by tailed beasts, and enything on that scale is devastating and not chakra costly(for a bijuu). Minato took 3 years to make the technique, others simply not have the time, energy, patience or the genius to do so. Rock Lee took 3 years(assuming as he only water walks in shippuden) to master water walking, therefore we werent able to see him do it in part 1. Other shinobi took a few weeks, Sakura the chakra control genius did it easily, but Lee might have the requirements for ninjutsu at such a low level that his a taijutsu specialist with low level of chakra and it's control.

[@canaldocapivara]

The point of byakugan has this explanation, because tsunade changed the body of that guy that I forgot the name using these points of pressure. So, a medical ninja skilled enough could do that

[@eiric6958]

@@canaldocapivara That's true, but we never see that any other time, it's entirely possible that only people with Taunade level of skill can do that. Which is only her and Sakura.

[@ahobbyist9520]

Kabutos existence negates the one about the byakugan

[@canaldocapivara]

@@ahobbyist9520 yeah, that's the name I forgot haha

[@Horacio_Poggi]

Yeah, that makes sense to me.

[@mikedimarco1889]

I personally have 2 major gripes when it comes to magic systems in Naruto. First, we have sharingan transplants. In the manga its made clear that you must steal another Uchiha's eyes to obtain the EMS and that this is a one-way exchange. Meaning only one person can obtain an EMS between a pair of people. There is even an image in the manga of a chakra demon with 4 eye slots where all 4 slots are filled upon obtaining the EMS. While in no way logical, this implies a fusion of the eyes, 4 MS becoming two EMS. Obviously this is proven wrong later when Obito/Zetsu simply swap Sasuke's eyes out with Itachi's, giving him EMS. So whats preventing 2 MS users from simply swapping eyes and them both getting EMS? My other issue is with Sage mode and how all of a sudden Minato was given it later in the series. Now a case like Hashirama makes sense, knowing he was superior to Madara + Kurama, its logical Hashirama had SM in order to overpower him, but mostly because that was all off-screen. In the case of Minato, all of his feats were shown on screen WITHOUT SM every being present. Why would Minato NOT use SM against Tobi if he had it? When using SM in the war, Minato admits to not being good at molding sage chakra yet he is confirmed to be a perfect sage, seeing as how his body is not partially turned into a frog as a result of molding said sage chakra, like in Jiraiya's case. How can you be 'bad' at molding sage chakra yet at the same time be a perfect sage?

[@LuciferArc1]

In the minato statement it can just be chalked up to him downplaying himself. He doesn't seem to brag on himself. Hell, he even enters sage mode faster than naruto does. He literally blinked into sage mode. As for the rest...yeah...its a fuckin mess

[@milkman4742]

@@LuciferArc1And he blinked out of sage mode just as fast as he blinked in

[@Luigi-hn1hu]

but if minato is just being humble about his ability with sage chakra, why doesn't he use it more often?

[@LuciferArc1]

@@Luigi-hn1hu doesn't really need it. His reaction time is honestly the best up until juubito/hashirama cell amped madara. It's just a waste of focus for him unless he absolutely needs it. It's probably not the best pairing with ftg since he'd have to split focus between both jutsu. It's extra baggage unless he's up against someone where it would be a necessity. He's a perfect sage unlike jiraiya which means he mastered it like naruto. He also goes into it in a literal blink

[@mikedimarco1889]

@@LuciferArc1 In his fight with Obito during the 9 tails attack it would have been 100% useful. With FTG he can literally mold chakra away from the battle before porting back in. It would be no waste of focus and would 100% benefit his ability power. Clearly Kishi gave him sage mode on a whim to help counter Juubito later on. He did not have sage mode canonically when he fought Obito during the 9 tails invasion or he would have used it. Kishi added it later.

[@itsmesteve1081]

It's so crazy to me how Naruto is still so relevant despite having been over almost a decade already. It goes to show how impactful this anime was and apparently currently still is.

[@Chrisdish]

It was famous back in the day for the people who are now between the ages of 25+ which trickles down to younger generations.

[@TheMantheon563]

I mean, it also helps that its virtually still running in the form of Boruto, and Boruto being so shit only amplifies Naruto (which isnt THAT much better LOL but still)

[@sparking023]

Naruto is an entry level anime for non-weebs, that's the best way I can put it. A lot of peeps had Naruto as their first ever anime, a lot of people who claim to don't like anime Have Naruto as their one exception, or the one they bothered enough to watch. And just like Dragonball Z, Naruto has created a very dedicated fanbase, which is why we still get arguments over it. Basically a bunch of weeblets now fully imersed into anime still think highly of it

[@officeimpact6377]

​@@TheMantheon563cringe

[@4yahwey275]

@@officeimpact6377tru

[@Acecard-jl2py]

The original method of unlocking MS before it was retconned was for the sharingan user to kill their closest friend. To me that was a decent method of unlocking such power becuase it’s kind of like the dark side of the force from Star Wars. Doing dark evil things for power. Like getting the MS means throwing away your own hunanity and good nature for power. That’s what made Itachi scary initially! He killed his best friend for power and tested his new abilities on the entire uchiha clan. Scary! But now it’s simple “loss of a close one”. By that logic as you stated at the end of the video, EVERY UCHIHA SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNLOCK THIS POWER.

[@nicolas._.2294]

It's still unbelievable that until itachi only like 3 poeple unlocked it....I the whole uchia clan.....like how does that makes any sense

[@Imoha-fz5nm]

It was never retconed. Itachi stated the method to egg Sasuke on, but he just lied to make Sasuke believe he killed Shisui and he did it himself.

[@charles9489]

​@@Imoha-fz5nmanother boot licker for kishimotos nonsense.

[@encouraginglyauthentic43]

​@@Imoha-fz5nmNo it was retconned, the fact that only a couple people unlocked it, is proof of that.

[@valeriansage]

why the fck is this a complaint? You never question why killing someone you LOVE affects the sharingan? What does killing someone you love or a loss of someone result to? grief and maybe eventually hatred. In essence, it's about a powerful negative energy is the reason why the Sharingan is awakened or evolves. You make it sounds like the premise of killing someone is sacrificing for a dark lord or something and you will unlock a shiny new eye. NO. The negative energy is what changes the eye....that's why it comes from the BRAIN like Tobirama mentioned...trauma is involve and it's relative.....how much did it affected you? did you move on? POSSIBLY, no Mangekyo for you......does the grief is so bad it torments you and somehow you hated someone or the world for taking your loved one?...sure have a Mangekyo....you take everything at face value of "loss of someone" so BAD without critical thinking of why things happen that's why you have a shitty complaint. In fact, not all Uchiha, at least in the generation of Sasuke and Itachi, even awakened their basic Sharingan unlike the warring states era of pure savagery and endless fights..most probably the older generation of uchiha awakened their Sharingan more often but not all from the peace era. They don't have the strict bloodline purity rule unlike the Hyuga. You have the GALL to complain when you don't even know Itachi didn't even killed Shisui....he committed suicide!!!

[@jamesturner6979]

Looking back on it, Elemental Affinity was such a pointless thing to introduce in Shippuden. For starters it makes Sasuke's dad retroactively look like an idiot for expecting Sasuke to instantly master the Fireball jutsu when it turns out Sasuke has Lightning affinity, not Fire like most Uchihas seemingly have. Then out of the Konoha 12, only Naruto and Sasuke were the ones to use elemental jutsus anyways on a consistent basis and even then Naruto only had the Rasenshuriken until the War Arc when he gets all the Elements from the Tailed Beasts and starts spamming multi-colored Rasengans. Then amongst the more experienced characters, a lot of them like Kakashi, Hiruzen and Tobirama all demonstrate they can use most of the elements anyway with little perceived difficulty. As an aside, it also makes Kakashi look like even more of a bad teacher for not explaining this sort of thing the second he met Team 7 since it seems like such a basic thing to find out so you're not wasting your time trying to learn Jutsu you're not naturally inclined for.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

That's how a lot of things go in naruto when you think about. A detail is added, then another that retroactively calls the first into question. Eventually, you wonder what the point of the change even was in the first place.

[@NecroWolfExPaladin]

Another cool idea would be what if you balanced nature with physical alone or nature with mental/spiritual alone? I think making those cause a unique form of sage mode could also have been interesting.

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

Nature + Physical = Instinct Chakra Nature + Mental = Enlightenment Chakra No idea what these would do exactly but I just had that thought in my head.

[@rgfs8881]

I can imagine someone doing those to gain actual shape shifting capacity with phisical energy. And gettig some form of telekinesis or clarvoyance with the mental energy. Since having "imperfect" balance changes your body slightly and a perfect balance can be seem as the best of both worlds, gaining those powers with no drawbacks (like boosting the body automaticaly with no need to shift into a frog hybrid.) A clever way to discourage those "unbalanced" forms could be a colateral effect where the physical run the risk of gaining permanent mutations, while mental users suffer changes in mentality, like gaining a taste for bugs or some body dismorphia. I imagine orochi would have a damn field day with them.

[@66maybe66]

This might already be the case for Jugo and his Sage Transformation state. He's not a shinobi, and doesn't know proper chakra control, but his body takes in nature energy automatically. Maybe he goes insane because he's involuntarily spending all his mental energy balancing out the nature energy into Sage chakra, and the surplus of physical energy left over is why he transforms.

[@shawnheatherly9219]

My favorite is learning that nobody can use yin and yang release then literally everyone decides to learn yin and yang release

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Specially in boruto, where some random person uses yin yang release to reinvent wood style.

[@Gayhan-]

Explain

[@rotationalshorts9104]

​@@MagicSystemMondayisn't that filler?

[@villain9482]

uh yeah. Why didnt you explain that? Because i have no clue what youre talking about

[@shawnheatherly9219]

@@Gayhan- it's states early in the series that yin and yang are the rarest and hardest nature's to use and that essentially no one has access to it then in shippuden everyone is using yin and yang release

[@alanpro1006]

great video dude, i love to try to explain stuff through headcannon, but i know damn well that naruto has a lot of retcons that we just have to swallow to enjoy; it will be a lot of work but if you make a part 2 a lot of people will be interested, including me

[@Fluxiiedits]

Bro for your information it's said that rock lee cant use ninjutsu but he can control chakra but hes simply unable to use the chakra to do ninjutsu but you are right about the fact that whats stopping him to manifest a chakra ball or smth and yeet it.

[@Chronoflation]

I always just figured he lacked the talent to shape it into a ball or do anything useful with it, so whenever he would try manifesting chakra it would just fizzle out. That said, he did need to get the clone jutsu done to graduate from the academy. I'm guessing it took all of his focus and energy to do so, though, making it an irrelevant ability in any non-exam situation. Hence why Guy had him abandon Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. But he didn't abandon those until Guy told him to, after he graduated and became Guy's pupil. I think it's worth considering Guy's words carefully. That said, going back to Ultimate Ninja 2 and 3 and teaching Lee the Chidori in them is still a freaking blast. It's always fun when the games let you give Lee techniques

[@komlat253]

Haha Lee can use Chakra, he can walk on water bro . He can't mold Chakra which is used to do ninjutsu

[@decidueyezealot8611]

@king 王杰 if he can't mild it he shouldn't be able to use it to walk on surfaces, literally moving it to your feet and holding it

[@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

Because no one can do that without sage chakra. The ball would disappear once you let go because you'd no longer be exerting control over the chakras form. And no the rasengan isn't an easy technique to use, only the main character, his dad, their teacher, kakashi, and the grandson of the third can use it. Lee has no talent manipulating chakra shape why would he be able to do that

[@kmgyening]

I'm not even sure it makes sense that Lee or anyone can use the Gates in the first place. Why are the Gates even automatic chakra limiters if any given person has to actively combine physical and spiritual energies to mold chakra in the first place?

[@whiteflame24]

It would've made more sense if the chakra elements worked like the HxH nen system. You are born with an affinity for 1-2 natures at most but you can technically use all 5 just the ones that you aren't born with would be dramatically weaker. I think that's what kishimoto was aiming for with elemental jutsu initially in part 1 and never elaborated on it but part 2 just throws it out the window entirely. Even the Kekkei Genkai system gets contradicted in part 2 because we get introduced to Muu and Ohnoki who use Dust style a Gekkai Tota, but it's stated that Muu was born with it and then taught Ohnoki how to combine the 3 natures and use it. That would work in the initial way I stated I think it was supposed to work in part 1 but is completely against what we are told in part 2.

[@hasseo195]

It is similary top that. It is not, that you can only have 1 element. The nature you can see with the paper is only the nature, where you was born with the highest affinity. It is the chaklra nature, that you can learn as the easiest and probally are able to use the strongest jutsu with it. But, you can even learn all the other natures to. It only take than more time and is sayed top be harder. Most people simply didnt take the time or the work, to learn more of the natures. And, it looks like, that many ninja familiy have own fighting stils to, that they need to learn. So, they have than probally less the time to do the nature basics. And, why should you even learn than more as 2 or 3 natures? Most attacks you can do with one nature, is even possible to use with the other nature (water ball, fire ball, thunder ball). So, having multiple natures, but no usefull jutsu for them could be useless to. And, than is there probally the factor, to remember how to do all that stuff. The more jutsu they learn, the more they probally need to remember, how to do it (or need time to have a feeling for it and make it automaticly).

[@whiteflame24]

@@hasseo195 No it's retconned later in the series to where you literally only have those initial natures. The way you are describing it is what it started off as but that's not what the system ended as. That's why to explain it away they just started giving every high level character 4-5 natures in the data books towards the end of the series. That's why even though I love naruto the series is fucked to explain because so many things get changed that so many people believe different things about it.

[@magnusm4]

Same as storm release laser circus. You see later many people use it together. No way so many unrelated people all have the same blood specific ability.

[@hasseo195]

@@magnusm4 Who say, that they are unrelated? It is believable, that they are all from the same clan. Especially, because it was a scene where multiple clans attacked at once. Darui, as the only black user (if my mind is right) could simply be a „half breed“. Where one outsider is a parent of him.

[@TCSyndicate]

@@whiteflame24 but that's just wrong. it was never stated that people can only use 1 chakra nature. it was stated that people naturally prefer 1. in fact sasuke is immediately used as an example of someone with a strong affinity for 2. soon after in the same arc, kakashi explicitly makes the correlation between experience and having access to multiple natures, although not at a skill level to be able to produce high rank jutsu, which is precisely what we see with advanced characters having 4-5 chakra natures, but only utilizing significant jutsu with 1 or 2 of them.

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

1:03:43 - it's worth noting that now, in Boruto, Sasuke can use the Rinnegan's nature abilities to use Ice release, which might make sense as it's the literal god-eye and all, but also now Moegi, Konohamaru's girl-teammate, just now has the ability to use wood release as she just figured out how to use it manually despite previously being linked purely to Hashirama's op cells, and even then Yamato had a bootleg version that had to manually combine the water and earth release, oh and don't forget that Dust release can also be taught as well.

[@KhaosFrosty]

Some corrections. What Sasuke did was more of a bootleg version that he himself mentions is far inferior to actual Ice Style. Sasuke was using Wind Style to cool down his Water Style to make frost. It was more scientific than supernatural. But since it wasn't actual Ice Style, it wasn't as versatile. Kekkei genkai is linked to a bloodline. So Wood Style is linked to the Senju Clan bloodline. However, even within the same bloodline, not every descendant can manifest it. They would just be carriers of that trait. Wood Style just happens to be a trait so rare to manifest within the Senju Clan. It's possible that Moegi was able to manifest this rare trait. She might be a descendant of the Senju, with one of her ancestors marrying off to someone outside the clan. (That, or she had Hashirama cells implanted in her via medical operation) Yamato truly has Wood Style, being a genetic clone of Hashirama via Orochimaru's experiments. He just didn't have Hashirama's raw power to use it in monstrous ways. Dust Release, or Particle Style, is also a genetic trait. When Mu stated that he taught Onoki Particle Style techniques, that may have only been possible because Onoki is from the same clan.

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

@@KhaosFrosty Yamato isn’t a clone of Hashirama, he survived having the cells grafted into him as a child. We actually don’t know if wood release was actually a Senju bloodline limit or if it was just a Hashirama only version. And I certainly will grant that it’s *possible* that Moegi has a blood link to Hashirama, but from what Boruto implies, she literally just figured out how to do it manually, in essence just a more refined version of Sasuke’s faux-Ice release. You could blame Boruto for changing how the worldbuilding functions I guess. It certainly is possible that Particle release is meant to be genetic only, as it would track with what is consistent from previous lore, but we cannot confirm that Muu and Onoki are related by blood, as we all know that relying purely on assumed consistency is where we generate headcanon.

[@wagz781]

Tl;DW: Don't introduce a hard magic system if you're not going to abide by it.

[@xavierthomas5835]

The real problem isn't even that Mr. Kishimoto introduced the system and didn't abide by it. The problem is that he obviously drew alot of inspiration from other sources and much of the issues that come up in naruto's system is that he adds these inspirations in without contwxtualizong them to the world. Much of the strange and problematic things of the story arise from an overreaching problem. He wanted nature transformation, summoning, wall climbing, strength enhancement, etc., and he didn't do the leg work to actually see it implement seamlessly to the story. Alot of good ideas brought up with poor execution.

[@Jdudec367]

I mean he did abide by it.

[@xavierthomas5835]

@jaydenc367 for the most part, of course he did. But when he didn't, it spawned the most egregious offenses in the series. The yin and yang of nature transformation, the often unexplained utility of certain jutsu, abilities seemingly ONLY introduced to offset other abilities or providing some kind of hack to certain characters. For the most part Naruto can seemingly run smooth. Until you start to think about it too much.

[@Jdudec367]

@@xavierthomas5835 Except that isn`t really strange or problematic things in the story and he did do the leg work to implement them seamlessly to the story. What ideas exactly?

[@Jdudec367]

@@xavierthomas5835 Yin and gang weren`t exectued that badly, what jutsu do you mean? Like Kamui? Cuz that was explaind well. Nah it still makes cohesisve consistent sense really.

[@axl124]

I would like to add to the visible chakra thing, when Kakashi uses chidori the first time against Zabuza, Zabuza actually mentions that he can see the chakra in Kakashi's hand

[@MagicSystemMonday]

And then it was doubled down in when sasuke learned chidori - even though we already had raw chakra techniques by that time, it was treated like it was somehow spectacular. Even though every elemental ninjutsu does the same thing, I including fireball jutsu that visibly destroys the environment. The more I think the more problems show up

[@lemguins7031]

So first, There's no way of me condensing this and having my point come across clearly, so sorry for the wall of text haha. The main points to keep in mind that were implied but not outright stated, are that chakra is required to do anything supernatural, molding chakra and weaving it might both have the same name of 'weaving', but are different functions of jutsu with their own implications (I'll call the building of chakra molding or instructing instead of weaving for clarity), and last that affinities are what attributes someone can naturally express without weaving the chakra through hand-seals or chants. They were getting at Yin and Yang release being the rough analogs for mental and physical energy expression and alteration brought on after chakra is molded. You need chakra to do anything with those 2 types of energy outside of normal bounds, so it doesn't make sense to try and list attributes of them before chakra is molded, You can imagine and think all you want, but unless your Shikamaru, it won't give you an edge, because your stuck at human capacity in the outcome without chakra, same with physical energy when molded chakra is all around more potent for physical empowerment. They do have their own attributes, but they're too small to bother factoring once chakra is in the picture, unless you get lucky like Shikamaru and naturally have attributes that are above human limits before molding chakra. Yin release is mental energy governing the techniques and bringing imagination into the result through the power of chakra. Yang release changes physical attributes to alter biological aspects of the target in it's own manner through chakra too. Yin-yang is a mixture of both that alters reality in a way that neither can do on their own. Chakra has it's own set of neutral power that naturally happens without needing to instruct it for supernatural results, if there's chakra controlled properly, the event will happen. There is nitpicks for the authors choice in what goes where, like Izanagi being yang release when it's clearly warping reality, but besides poor categorization, I don't see a fault with how it was done. Lee has no affinity to instruct his chakra complexly, he can mold it and distribute it, but lacks the ability to weave it. Because there are neutral workings of chakra that don't require weaving, just maintaining the flow of energy is enough for him to successfully do them. Water walking, sticking to surfaces, super speed, repelling off surfaces and powered punches were all stated to just require maintaining chakra in the appropriate distributions and timing, it's never been stated that Lee had issues with Chakra distribution, in fact, his training was specifically to hone that skill to open the gates by flooding them open with chakra distribution. Trying to say it's a retcon or plothole is because there's assumptions that they need weaving to work. It's just a natural working of chakra when applied to certain body parts. That in itself can be a nitpick, but it's just because of poor explanation of it in the story, but the logic follows it soundly. With affinities, they are genetic predispositions to instruct chakra to take on attributes naturally, doing all the weaving on a mental level and not a physical one with semantics or verbal proposal. All five natures can be used if you manually weave your chakra to instruct it to do so, but it needs practice, is telegraphed, slower, and requires a lot more practice to get the same results as a natural in the affinity. Affinities are for people to figure out what techniques their chakra will naturally instruct easily. Mixed affinities are considered different instructions than either of their 2 components, so that's the main reason why someone with 2 affinities can't just mix them together on a mental level. It's like writing, you can be ambidextrous, but writing with your left and right hand simultaneously is different, especially if both hands are writing different languages. You'd just need to be built different to pull it off. With the Rasengan, that requires external chakra shaping, which might be way to much work to learn on your own from scratch (the concept was rarely explored for a reason), when most would just learn an affinity and have an easier time weaving their chakra to do that a little more effortlessly, with less risk, and more references for help. Anything too complex could just have some hand seals thrown in to help instruct the chakra better, but overall that would still be easier than dedicating a bunch of time perfecting a flavorless attack when you have spices at your disposal. Just because someone can, doesn't make it a good idea. It was said to be hard to pull off, and that's all the explanation needed as to why only a few use it, even if it isn't a fulfilling answer. Having affinities and hand seals both control the outcome is also telling on why the concept seamed to be abandoned. We're following Naruto's growth in the story, and exposition wise, it would make sense that higher levels of technique mastery, result in needing less startup in moves with hand seals, so as his group gets more skilled and is able to dissect situations better, the appearance of hand seals will fall off. From a writing perspective, the explanation was done, so utilizing hand seals to show telegraphs would naturally happen eventually to cut the fat. His group will use hand seals less over time, and their perception lets them see just how many telegraphed moves the opponent is using, and a lot of them are specialized in their chakra load-out, so affinities and specialized tools became more standard in what they see as opposed to manual attacks. It's only natural that as you learn to ride a bike, you tend to put your self in more situations where you see less training wheels after all. With Neji's deactivation of Kidomaru's webs, some other feats have shown similar properties, like Pain's receptors, Rotation, Cursed marks, Genjutsu dispelling techniques, several different types of seals, gentle fist and puppeteer jutsu. It's been shown several times that injecting your own chakra into techniques or people that are influenced by another's chakra can disrupt the technique and Neji WAS catered to dealing with Kidomaru in their thrown together team given none of the others specialized in injecting chakra, and he had 2 techniques specialized in disrupting techniques one not even requiring him to move. There is many faults in Naruto's magic system, nobody being true to themselves can deny that, but some of the points you brought up held true in how they were presented, just not explained fully or left to interpretation. While I enjoyed most of the video, the whole, "I don't wanna hear keyboard warriors" take was a bit of a take away, engagement is one of the reasons some even click on the videos, to share viewpoints, and that take is a bit harsh for sharing ideas.

[@Randomthew]

Commenting on this so I don't forget to read it later, plz respond so I dont forget

[@lemguins7031]

@@Randomthewlol okay.

[@NoGGDeodorant]

Cool

[@donovangunther4538]

I think it'd be funny to see you attempt this Magic System Monday on Dragonball. It's pretty much all headcanon so going over all the information given in the source material and combing through popular ideas about how it works might be entertaining

[@FlashmanJW]

Plague of Gripes did a video on in. He essentially HAD to headcanon it because Toriyama doesn't explain what it is anyone is doing. He explained it like a pseudo Hunter x Hunter Nen system using Ten, Ren, Shu, Ko, and Ken. Where everyone has normal bodies only being enhanced by ki. And they use their ki for defense and offense, but it wears down their stamina. So they have to use punches and kicks to put small dents in the opponent's ki armor to wear down their reserves before they can connect with a big attack. It is why Goku can get hurt by a rock thrown by Krillin because he's not using ki to defend himself; consequently, it is why some attacks don't do anything because the other person is using more ki to defend themselves thus cancelling the damage.

[@alpguy4865]

@@FlashmanJW Man, that video from Plague of Gripes really nailed it, and a reminder for me of how amazing nen is as power system, some might argue it is not the best or perfect, but it is pretty solid one.

[@FlashmanJW]

@@alpguy4865 I would honestly argue it is one of the best thought out system. Everyone has unique abilities but everyone follows the same rules. The audience and the characters know what those rules are. And the system doesn't dictate what power is the best based on who has the bigger number.

[@osakeleto]

@@FlashmanJW explaining things only ruins it. i think its charming how its only angry dudes beating the shit out of each other with occasional techniques.

[@FlashmanJW]

@@osakeleto I disagree. If the audience doesn't know what characters are doing then it is impossible to understand why something works or doesn't work. If there are no rules or extremely vague rules to power systems then feats start making no sense. Like the Destructo Disc can cut Frieza's tail off in his 2nd Form while Krillin is nowhere near his power level, but it can't cut through Cell because reasons unknown. Goku and the crew have been expert martial artists for decades with experience taking on the most skilled people in the world, but because someone has a bigger vaguely defined number, they can't fight on their level and have to resort to an ill-defined power-up. Tien is always training but is somehow still weaker than Krillin and Roshi because (insert reason). It is very arbitrary to say the least.

[@hcohic9884]

i made this comment before and ill make it again..the early vibe of naruto was that of a dystopian steampunk japan in an alternate future of 80s japan.. kind of like a mad max of ninjas. its was a grounded setting that reflected on the fights which were more personal intimate gritty and gory and filled with body horror and psychological warefare. even the design of characters was good they looked unique mean and ruthless and that reflected on the fights. it was a dystopian world where teenagers where raised to be merciless killers it felt like the stakes are high because of the severe consequences of each fight it kept the tension high despite the scales being smaller which also made the world feel bigger and more threatening there was a general plot happening in which the small subplots of our characters played their small roles in it which made it immersive .. looking at early naruto you would think the story would be about tactical ninja espionage wars with pychological elements and set of unique well written characters that interact with eachothe within a set pricise rules ..then show got popular and shippuden came so they had to make it more marketable and kid friendly..it lost all the violence stakes casualtities injuries .it turned from a show about ninjas to power rangers of justice. everyone became so friendly. remember the introduction of ninjas in the written chunin exam everyone looked like an ice cold killer now that vibe is gone now everyone feels like an average suburbian 15 years old ..every fight became a therapy session and everything was about emotionality thats why thee is a lack of effort put inot the magic system..the incosistensies you mention dont even scatch the surface.. like how does orochimaru transfrm himself into a serpant..plot convinience .. the plot used to happens around the charatcers but by the end plot happended FOR the 2 main characters... im not even going to talk about the plot holes and contradictions in terms of ideologies which is another iceberg.. sadly by the end it lost most of its atmosphere charm and never fullfilled the early promise which was a 'hxh' scale story in terms of tactics and focus on warefare...idk maybe the author wasnt allowed to complete his vision because of censorship or he just witten himself into a corner with all the early characters introduced or maybe he had a great concept but didnt know how to expand upon it properly

[@MagicSystemMonday]

That's the crazy thing with Naruto, you are correct that I only scratched the surface. If you pick a random thing in naruto to think about, whether is a character, a special jutsu, a part of the timeline - anything - you will discover that absolutely nothing about it makes any cohesive sense. Everything is steeped in logical, moral, historical inconsistency. Is there a character you like? Once you start digging, you will see that the nature of his existance, his power level, what he was doing at a certain point in the timeline makes zero sense. Rinse and repeat for every aspect of naruto. And the more stuff the writer adds, the worse it gets.

[@hcohic9884]

​@@MagicSystemMonday the show is less about cold blooded killers calculating how to assasinate their target and more about children expressing their emotions which mean its less violent and more family friendly and marketable..plus its harder to make an interconnected tacitcal sequence than to make an emotional struggle where the fights is resolved with mindlessly overpowering the enemy with the power of will and friendship..its crazy how a bunch genin in the chunin exam were more intimidating than jonin in shiuppuden but instead of kishimoto use his established characters and combining them smartly and sticking to the rule he started added more useless charachter or one trick ponys whos sole purpose is plot convinience .. remember kabutos ninja info cards with stats we never heard about those stats again ... how about lees speed everbody seems to be able to match his speed..how about taijitsu fighter trying to get close or genjutsu fighter hiding .. how about stealth.. kishimoto really sold us a dream

[@MagicSystemMonday]

The lee's speed part in particular is funny, and a great example of the problem. When he activated the gates, he was going so fast that kakashi literally had to whip out the sharingan to even see it. So we know that lee with sixish gates is too fast for the naked eye of even a seasoned jonin... Until shippuden where basically no one has issues tracking anything.

[@manamaster6]

The text from Haku's chapter seems to have many different translations, and with all those the meaning from the original line can be understood: 有り得ない！ チャクラが具現するなんて！ 具現する refers to the chakra being materialized or manifesting. …そつ それになんて醜悪なチャクラ…！ And 醜悪な can be translated as something unsightly, not necessarily evil. So, yeah, Haku is mentioning how Naruto's chakra is manifesting itself into the world, and such an unsightly or appaling chakra that is, while asking how that is possible; and due to how surprised Haku is his first word is "Impossible!"

[@netero1682]

Haku was about 14 years old and had only known mainly Zabuza, there were many things that he may not have known.

[@NoelNaggis]

@@netero1682 lol...haku had been fighting for years, he had killed tons of chunin and jounin.... To say that haku didn't know cause was 14 and with zabuza is like saying that Itachi couldn't have known about it as well cause he was also 14 with the foundation.. You chose to ignore the fact that haku wasn't staying in a room somewhere, he was actively assassinating people FOR YEARS, just like Itachi. ... Infact, haku probably saw more action in those few years than Naruto ever saw....so it's literally impossible for an elite ninja like him, with years of active combat experience to not know what EVERYONE ONE ELSE at his level seemed to know all of a sudden

[@netero1682]

@@NoelNaggis That's wrong, 1) Haku is not comparable to Itachi in terms of knowledge, Haku was a genius too, but more normal, Itachi was a very different level. 2) Although Haku was strong, the level of powerful ninjas he could face was very limited, based on that what they could show in terms of power was also limited. 3) Haku dealt with matters in the fog village, but as far as it is known he had seen little of other villages. This is important because of the ninjas from the fog village, how many have we seen use Chakra like Kakashi, Killer Bee or Asuma? Also, the Chakra of the Kyubi or a Bijuu works at a very different level and Haku didn't know about that. The fandom talks a lot of shit.

[@NoelNaggis]

@@netero1682 dude all of your points are terrible and also open more room to the Inconsistencies of the Naruto series... 1. Yes haku is very much comparable to Itachi in terms of knowledge, when they were the same age....Itachi is much older now, but when he was 14, haku and him most definitely were comparable as they were basically doing the exact same thing and both considered geniuses, the best of the best in their respective villages. 2. What the hell do you mean by your second point bruh?.... Like what the hell do you mean that haku who fought Chunin and Jounin level ninjas with zabuza for years had "limited shinobi encounter" and "Limited knowledge" that's not true, EVERYTHING points to Haku being very experienced....don't forget who trained him too, Zabuza, who was much older and even more experienced, so to say that he didn't know of this or didn't teach haku, and that haku didn't see any of this when fighting with and against high level ninja is ridiculous... 3. Your third point is ENTIRELY KISHIMOTOS FAULT.....you're insinuating that ONLY leaf ninja's would know about making chakra tangible and visible,....like bruh, are you serious?, That's ridiculous...like that's completely ridiculous, it's not a complicated thing in the Naruto verse to make chakra visible, it's not some hidden technique passed down only in secret, it's explained as one of principles of ninjutsu.... Literally ANYONE who can perform a jutsu, should be able to manifest visible chakra, as The fire ball Justu or better yet HAKUS ICE JUTSU, is the infusion of Charkra with the nature element, so saying that haku had no idea chakra could be visible beacuse everyone is the mist village is a dumb inferior ninja who dosent know even the basics and logic of the jutus they're using is ridiculous. Finally the reason we haven't seen people from other villages use Charkra like Asuma, or killer Bee is Beacuse we have barely seen anything of the other villages, and this is kishimotos fault....the Leaf village alone had like 90% of the kekei genkai / unique elemental ninja's in the entirety of the Naruto and Shippuden.. The village has sooooooo much development compared to the rest, I mean look at shikamaru, Kiba, Choji, Neji, Sasuke, Rock Lee, first hokage, 2nd Hokage, Ten ten And the list is endless... To further prove how little development these villages got, I don't think I remember ever seeing a single jinjuriku of a tailed beast, manifest red tailed chakra like killer bee or Naruto were able to do...that's how poor their development was. But the final finally is that you are COMPLETELY WRONG.... We have seen members of the mist village manifest Charkra in their swords, and a shinobi seven swordsman no less.... during the Kage summit arc....you're telling me that Haku would not be familiar with a sword that did this, despite being raised and mentored by one of said swordsmen? And he himself being very aware of the shinobi seven swordsmen... Cmon bro,you're doing exactly what this guy in the video complained about, you're making up head canon so bad that you even say that the entire mist village can't comprehend the very basics of Charkra manipulation despite using it to do jutsu, just to justify terrible writing

[@netero1682]

@@NoelNaggis You are still just as wrong or worse than before, Itachi at 14 massacred the entire Uchiha clan and had a Kage level in knowledge and power, Haku no, he was very far from that level. From this point you show that you don't know. 2) Haku was having some difficulty with Sasuke and Naruto, although he was quite superior, it was obvious the limitations he had and therefore the ninjas he could face. 3) Showing the Chakra as seen with the Kyubi (a Bijuu) and with Kakashi is something that very few ninjas can do. It is not something normal or easy as you propose. Each village has its own fighting styles and jutsus, that's why I tell you, from the fog village, how many ninjas did we see with that fighting style? It's not Kishimoto's mistake, it's that you don't understand the story, or you want the story to be the way you want it to be.

[@AnoopVargheese]

About the issue of using non-elemental chakra attacks like the rasengan, I'm pretty sure it was just implied that non-elemental chakra by itself is harmless - it allows exerting a small amount of force when condensed, but not enough tl actually damage anyone. The rasengan is unique among non-elemental techniques becuase its a super-compressed ball of violent chakra, but it uses a lot of chakra to function. The only reason its a viable technique for Naruto is because of the massive amount of chakra he possesses, which is literally the only way he's special from other ninja. Meanwhile, techniques like the chidori and fireball and other elemental techniques are much more efficient with the chakra consumption, allowing a smaller amount of chakra to do more damage. In other words, if the chidori is a technique that converts 50 points of chakra into 200 points of damage, the rasengan is a technique that converts 500 points of chakra into 100 points of damage. Sasuke taps out after two uses of chidori because he only has a chakra pool of around 75-100 points, but naruto with his absolutely massive 2000-3000 point chakra pool is able to spam 4 or 5 rasengans before he gets tired. Of course, that's using the chakra pool interpretation of chakra source.

[@cephon6198]

Video essayist refusing to acknowledge extremely valid point...? Also you don't need to have a specific Chakra nature in order to use an elemental ninjutsu of that nature :)

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Funny this just showed up in my suggestions, my friend and I were JUST talking about the retcon with chidori yesterday hahaha I'll admit I also totally forgot about spiritual energy and physical energy needing to be combined to produce chakra. It really did just get forgotten as soon as it was introduced.

[@angelux2793]

Yes raw chakra is supposed to be invisible. Its different in the form of a jutsu because shape and/or nature transformation are applied to it. Thats one reason why the byakugan and sharingan are special because they can percieve chakra which is normally invisible to the naked eye. The sharingan can even percieve that invisible chakra in different colors depending on the type. I think the only times raw charkra is able to be seen is when the wielder is summoning incredibly potent chakra in very large quantities, moreso than the average person. I think somebody mentioned something about chakra cloaks and in the case of raikage his is visible because it has lightning nature transformation applied to it to augment his already high physical speed and penetrative/destructive power of his strikes and jinchurikki cloaks because of the large and incredibly potent quality of it and is also more or less the manifested will of/tailed beast physically manifested through their host(tailed beasts are beings of pure chakra sealed inside the host). As for Lee, im gonna go out on a limb and say while he can use chakra(its stated that chakra is used while using taijutsu and i believe the gates releases chakra?) he just has zero aptitude for most ninjutsu such as nature release or yin/yang release like clones, substitution, ect. but can still control the flow of chakra in his body which allows him to use taijitsu and possibly the waterwalking/treeclimbing jutsu. so since he had no talent or really any inherent ability for ninjutsu, he solely focused on training in taijutsu.

[@WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

Yes chakra basically works the exact same way ki does in dragon ball. Its only visible in an attack unless you're dumping a lot of it

[@MagicSystemMonday]

0:00 intro 4:11 basic chakra & jutsu 7:32 inconsistencies chakra's storage 15:18 physical and spiritual energy's wasted potential 18:19 Yin and Yang release 22:45 using raw chakra wasn't always a thing 25:27 "Condensed chakra" and chakra strings 30:03 gentle fist is gently inconsistent. 36:22 Rasengan destroys the magic system 43:00 Rock lee -- arbitrary extra limitations 49:55 Shippuden secretly made a new magic system 54:27 using raw chakra is objectively easier 57:35 Technically, handsigns mostly useless now 1:02:15 passing out natures like candy 1:06:22 its not about natures now, just individual jutsu 1:08:11 closing thoughts -- many more inconsistencies 1:11:07 Naruto's score

[@awsomkid3735]

Might wanna pin this comment

[@craigyeah1052]

nice titles haha

[@MagicSystemMonday]

People may be wondering why I don't bring up the novels. here is why: Most likely people will try to explain with stuff from the awkwardly thrown together novels, or the Data Books, with retroactive explanations, and powers and ideas that aren't necessarily congruent with the original. Using supplementary material to justify jank in a primary work is almost like a bad faith argument, and is functionally the same as a retcon. No matter how many problems you double down on or explain gaps in the original, the original will STILL be worse off for having them. the Starwars novels explain a million things that don't get explained in the movies. But its still the movies' job to stand on its own(i'm not talking about the flavory stuff or things largely agnostic to the main story, I'm talking about all the times they tried to give us an excuse for why something that should have happened didn't or vice versa, or why people don't use certain tactics that would be incredibly useful or functional with the way the rules are set up). besides, if that supplementary material was made AFTER the retcon, then that material is probably retconning things itself. Same goes for Data Books. If lady Tsunade allegedly has 4 whole elements and never uses a single one in the MAIN story, and with no excuse, then that's bullcrap, and was probably retroactive decision. heck she doesn't even use her primary element often -- if ever. Additionally, responding to potential inconsistencies with assumptions or fan theories is not a valid form of argument. Anime and manga are some of the most outwardly explaining types of works of fiction ever. If they did not make it a point of saying it in the original work, with extremely few exceptions, then it is almost certainly not true. Do not do work for the writers, the work of fiction must stand for itself. Additionally, I got part of the chidori explanation wrong. Firstly, it is not a failed rasengan, but rather made because Kakashi could not make a light6ning rasengan. Secondly, I meant to say it was SUGGESTED Multiple times to be a more powerful jutsu. I don't think its ever actually said verbally. Its funny how dozens of people rushed to defend their headcanon but didn't notices this basic mistake.

[@jpraise6771]

My brethren, turn away from sin and give your life to Christ✝

[@RubyAPBT]

About raw chakra and rasengan. Rasengan uses a lot of chakra. Naruto could do a lot of it because he had a shit ton of it. We never see another character like him using as much rasengan as he do.(beside Boruto who the autor forgot did not had much chakra.) Not Jiraiya, not even Minato. Just to manifest chakra in a visible way you need a lot. It must be dense enough, even a tiny version would need a lot. Chidori must cost less and do a great damage too. A character like Sasuke who had little chakra at classic was able to do it 3 times a day. Kakashi who had little chakra(sharingan sucked a lot by just being open) at classic could use it a few times too(2 ou 3 i don't remember). We don't see Jiraiya using it a lot and it is a hint of how much chakra it uses. Especialy in shippuden where Naruto makes the odama version even with kage bunshin a lot of times but Jiraiya could only do the same thing in sage mode with the boost of nature energy. And Jiraiya had a lot of chakra compared with normal people, he had more than Kakashi. We se Kabuto using raw chakra the scalpel, but it needed have a very refined chakra control. I think it is said that other medic nin could do it too if they were very skilled. But that brings another problem even if it usess less chakra it need a lot of chakra control again. Tsunade was impressed a guy at his age could do it. (he was 17 ou 19) So my guess is some people prefer use element than train to have such good control to use raw chakra as an weapon, because it is easier to learn. Elemental nature chakra is not very hard to use(at least the basic) it is very hard to master. We see children doing it even Obito who was considered slow as a kid was able to use fire jutsu. We can use Sasuke as an exemple, with his dad at 5 ou 6 he learned Katon, with Kakashi he learned Raiton, but he truly mastered Raiton after he trained with Orochimaru using it on his weapons or surroudings, he never got that with Katon good as he got with raiton. Every time he need a powerful flame he uses amaterasu instead of a katon of his own. As a kid he was able to learn, but it took years to master it.

[@eiric6958]

@@RubyAPBT Great points

[@jeffreywright9165]

@23:23 your wrong, its implied and known that when armament haki is used, that it can be seen as someones body part turning black such as Vergo when he goes full armamment your making up your own head canon

[@jeffreywright9165]

@23:23 your wrong, its implied and known that when armament haki is used, that it can be seen as someones body part turning black such as Vergo when he goes full armamment your making up your own head canon

[@arkadaslarmesudcalabilirdi8743]

There is also one major problem with the 5 elements system that was introduced. Wind style, which naruto has, was said to be more rare than the others. Because... Naruto has to be special or something i dont know. Which opens a big can of worms because all elements are supposed to counter one another. If wind relase is the least common one, than what it counters is automatically the most advantageous element to have. When i first watched that episode way back in the day i thought about this. But apparently kishimoto has not. I think it was during the pain arc when naruto was somehow JUST LEARNING about the elemental jutsu system in the ninja world, and going on to develop the super powerful jutsu rasen shuriken or whatever it was called with the help of shadow clones. Because apparently it was possible to use these clones to amplify your training because all their experience was transported back to the owner, so naruto by spamming these clones, could quickly gain the amount of experience that would normally take someone years to acquire. This, i believe was also never touched upon again despite being a massive fucking thing. God, does anyone even remember the days when kakashi said that byakugan was even more powerful than the sharingan? Im actually holding myself back to not delve into other retcons and plot holes in naruto that are coming to my mind from just typing this. There are things i like in naruto, it could have been great. But ultimately it is a ruined story beyond repair at this point with the amount of logical inconsistencies, retcons, the SHEER AMOUNT of fillers ( most of them are really bad and also full of plot holes ) the endless amounts of flashbacks and the repetitive nature of them, unexplored plot points ( akatsuki rings for ex ) poor story choices, the amount of fucking powers the sharingan for some reason has, and the existence of sakura. The whole story has to be written from the ground up to be consistent at this point. Fun childhood memories with this anime, but it is just a messy story with some good moments here and there. I think you were generous with your grading

[@MagicSystemMonday]

What's funny is the thing wind counters is LIGHTNING, which is currently the most op elemental because two of the main character, and the character with the most plot armor in the entire series has it. It's the only actual elemental we get to see negating another elemental. And to top it off, for some reason it's an instant negation of any earth style, period. The way the writer writes lightning style therefore makes earth style the easiest elemental to cancel out, even though two of the akatsuki have relatively op earth styles. They just get thrown out the window, all durability negated, etc. It's really annoying, especially when we barely get to see the special quirks of every element.

[@can_can9119]

Oh man the sharingan. By the War Arc it just became Sharingan Shippuden 😂 I will never forgive how dirty the Byakugan was done

[@DavidSartor0]

I thought Wind was just uncommon in Fire Country.

[@davidsiraze8365]

You are ansolutely correct

[@arkadaslarmesudcalabilirdi8743]

@@DavidSartor0 could be. I was going off of some old memories when typing this so i could be wrong. But i do remember this god awful filler episode of an evil woman that was sucking peoples chakra or whatever which was aired shortly after this elemental stuff was introduced. In that episode she made it clear on multiple occasions that she spesifically desired wind type chakra because it was the rarest or most delicious or something of that sort. So i do think that im remembering it correctly. Unless its also retconned later

[@sergeemmanuelt.5398]

Naruto's power system was interesting when it still had drawbacks like those Chidori at the end of Shippuden it was bunch of dragon ball like explosions with no drawbacks and omnipotent eyes Now it's aliens out of nowhere...most contradictory worldbuilding of the big 3

[@ShokuaK]

Regarding ninjustsu elements and chakra natures; I don't believe it was ever stated that shinobi are restricted to using the element that aligns with the nature of their chakra. Learning justsu of elements that aren't native to them is a bit more difficult, but it can be done. Therefor, it tracks that Kakashi could learn jutsu of every base element using his sharingan, and that other shinobi could do so through study and practice.

[@ThiagoGlady]

I believe kakashi said very clearly on shippuden that shinobi could only use element jutsu linked to his inner nature

[@nahuel3433]

​@@ThiagoGladyWhich is golden comming from Kakashi considering he did AT LEAST lighning, earth, fire and water techniques since the Zabuza arc.

[@Imoha-fz5nm]

​@@ThiagoGlady It was said VERY CLEARLY from Kakashi that ninja could use other Jutsu with other nature affinities from than their own, but that they wouldn't be as potent as jutsu used with their own nature affinity. He literally said that jonin have commonly 3 nature affinities they could use.

[@AlteredNova04]

One thing that really bothers me about the Naruto magic system is the existence of chakra pathways and tenketsu. We know that chakra doesn't naturally exist in the human body, it's an artificial energy that ninja have to actively create by mixing and balancing their physical and spiritual energies. It's also a relatively recent invention, nobody knew how to knead chakra until Hagoromo started a religion about it. So then, why did humans in this setting evolve an entire organ system for transporting chakra throughout their body if nobody actually had chakra until like a few thousand years ago?

[@MagicSystemMonday]

I thought about that early on. One of the many things I left out to stop the video from being nine years long

[@morgannyan2738]

@@MagicSystemMonday at 8:36 you say: ''even though people dont walk around with a bunch of chakra in their bodies.'' yet the person you responded to says : ''humans in this setting evolve an entire organ system for transporting chakra throughout their body.'' And now you say you left that out. So wich one is it?

[@morgannyan2738]

If chakra is artificial how come the animals in the Nartuo world can use jutsu like the toads from Mount Myoboku or the slugs in the Shikkotsu forest?

[@_Jay_Maker_]

@@morgannyan2738 Because fucking _Moon people._ That's how.

[@AlteredNova04]

@morgannyan2738 the toads and slugs are sentient and were taught how to create chakra by the sage of six paths just like humans were

[@Brutalyte616]

I'd argue that 'weaving chakra' is probably a bit of a misnomer since weaving also implies the active usage of chakra. Ninja do not constantly have enhanced senses because they are not actively using it 24/7, otherwise they would all have hyper-senses like the Inuzuka or Hyuuga. And while the series specifies that chakra is a mix of physical and spiritual energies, it's never specified if those two require a given ratio before they become chakra or if spiritual and physical energies in their 100% pure forms with no mixing would still constitute as chakra. This is the implied reason for the discrepency in jutsu types and elemental affinities, and if saying 100% spiritual energy, i.e. the power of the soul, would still constitute as chakra, then obviously this could be equated with depletion of vital energies or that of the soul itself, leading to exhaustion or death. This might also explain the reason why nobody has tried to codify a 'Unified Chakra Theory' in the Naruto world; scientific understanding of chakra itself is kind of a new concept, and so it relies on esoteric concepts that are difficult to quantify, like souls, spiritual energy, and physical energy, which is even more hazily defined than spiritual energy. What I'm saying is that the characters can't be relied upon to give the audience factual information because they aren't true experts on the nature of chakra, just habitual users of it, much like a caveman with fire. Does that excuse Kishimoto being a sloppy writer? No, and I'm willing to bet the inconsistencies are 100% because of his poor planning and execution, but I'm not going to pretend that the inconsistencies do not at least make sense from an in-universe perspective. Suspension of disbelief is a thing people.

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

It would be cool if Sasukes Chidori would be fire Chidori instead of lightning Chidori. It would be lightning technique for Kakashi and fire technique for Sasuke. Would be quite cool if upon teaching some elemental techniques to people with different charka natures they would get different outcomes depending on person.

[@wisequigon]

why would you light your hand on fire if you can spit out fire?

[@AleksoLaĈevalo999]

@@wisequigon So that you could run at mach 3 at your opponent and leave two fire trails behind like in back to the future? It would still be Chidori, just fire themed.

[@junior523]

I mean if the Chidori does not electrify the caster of the jutsu then why would a fire Chidori burn them?

[@wisequigon]

@@junior523 spiting fire has a range attack advantage

[@netero1682]

@@AleksoLaĈevalo999 Naaa, I prefer how Kishimoto did it, honestly. It's much better.

[@Thewood1679]

The only consistent thing in naruto is kishimoto being trash at writing female characters

[@Acecard-jl2py]

Key points: *Everyone is born with an affinity, (Two if elemental kkg), yet doesn’t restrict access to the other 4 basic Elements *Chakra can be molded or changed into an element. *Its easier to mold chakra than changing it. *Raw chakra can be made visible if concentrated enough or made physical. *Some jutsu don’t even need handsigns but most do. Because of Tobirama, some powerful jutsus can be done with just one hand sign. *Elements outside of the basic 5 require to be born within a specific clan. *Chakra is in essence life energy yet it’s not *Chakra can controlled outside or inside of the body

[@allgreatnike1009]

Do more of these type of videos (they dont need to be rants but talking about powersystems). Im subbing.

[@Acecard-jl2py]

I find myself questioning Kishimoto’s magic system when it comes to the overall meta. Knowledge is one thing, but you think an experience ninja would have taken everything into consideration to optimize their arsenals. Get sage mode, 8 gates, medical ninjutsu to heal yourself during battle and gaining elemental advantages while amping your speed and stealing dojutsu. Blood limits this potential yea but naruto has plenty of generic stuff that any Ninja can obtain.

[@nicolas._.2294]

Sage mode isn't that easy to get, I mean haven't you saw how many people died trying to get it? + you need to stay still to make it work Not the great idea in battle

[@kindlingking]

​@@nicolas._.2294but you can charge it up preemptively or, considering shinobis go on missions in teams of 3, have your allies distract the enemy while you perform the technique. The only real reason to not use SM should be the risk of messing up and getting yourself killed, so less experienced ninjas would avoid it.

[@summerlovesyou7586]

Kishimoto: designs a fox-based protagonist with fox-like qualities and a fox-adjacent backstory Also Kishimoto: “but what if… toads 🐸”

[@MagicSystemMonday]

I really wish naruto kept his foxiness. Wait that came out wrong

[@Garvant_]

I always thought the chakra = life and if you run out you die thing was really wierd like i noticed a lot of people in the show said "im out of chakra" and i always thought why arent you dead?

[@marocat4749]

I think he was goig for a e thing, which actually can make you die because of it. And the authors are frieds whio juggled ideas, i dont say stolen. But also one thing tagashi did is leaving enough soft ad open to have exceptios and not be too rigid. And kishimoto, a problem is part ones system is really good and stragetic and, was abandoned near always. Except medical ninjutsu i guess.

[@justincain2702]

I always assumed it was analogous to just being tired. Like, "I'm out of breath" doesn't literally mean you aren't breathing. It means you are exhausted and need to rest to not push it or else you could die. "I'm out of chakra," would just mean "It's dangerous to use any more."

[@dogf421]

i think it would be extremely funny if haku specifically couldn't see chakra and everyone was gaslighting him by saying they couldn't see it either

[@MagicSystemMonday]

It'd be priceless if kakashi had that man in a genjutsu the whole time just to stall for time. I wouldn't even be mad because that'd be genius

[@BeastOrGod]

"Don't say maybe" *PROCEED TO PRESENT LOTS OF MAYBES*

[@spaceangelmewtwo9074]

There's a major flaw in your argument about hand seals. It's true that they mysteriously disappeared when they shouldn't have, but it is implied that using them makes casting a jutsu easier. This is in fact supported by the canon. In Part 1, it is specifically stated that Tobirama Senju is so good at casting the Water Dragon Jutsu that he can do it with only a single hand sign. It is also stated that the Water Dragon Jutsu also uses one of the longest sets of handsigns of any known jutsu, and that casting it with not only one hand sign, but without even a water source present, is an extraordinary feat. This is all mentioned when Orochimaru summons Hashirama and Tobirama with the Reanimation Jutsu to fight Hiruzen. The contradiction here is that this feat is no longer quite so extraordinary later on in the show.

[@Jdudec367]

I mean it is still extraordinary, it is just that even stronger ninja do similar things to that.

[@spaceangelmewtwo9074]

@@Jdudec367 What I mean by it no longer being extraordinary is that hand seals just kind of disappear after a while, so much weaker ninja are doing similar things now.

[@Jdudec367]

@@spaceangelmewtwo9074 Even the water dragon jutsu though? Or not near any water?

[@negisuna6133]

except, using your own words, all they did was confirm how powerful he was by using only one hand seal over multiple. nowhere does it state that hand seals actually make it easier to cast the justsu itself. unless im entirely misremembering, his feat was just being able to cast it quicker than everyone else. it boils down to what MSM said before: hand signs making jutsu easier is not confirmed anywhere.

[@beki7408]

Forgive me if this is just headcanon and not actually confirmed or implied in the manga, anime, or any other official Naruto source, but on the "passing out natures like candy" part, I thought it's implied that technically anyone can use any of the 5 natures, but most people have an affinity to one, very rarely two (and some people genetically inherit special elements that consist of 2 or more natures at once) natures. It's why when Yamato explained to Naruto the chakra natures, he said that typically only very high level ninja can use 2 natures, instead of a blanket statement about how ninjas who use 2 natures are rare (the former would mean that you have to be very skilled to use multiple natures, while the latter implies that you're stuck with the natures that are given to you at birth essentially). This would also explain why Sasuke is proficient at using fire release, even though his affinity is lightning, because he has practiced using fire release jutsu extensively, as per the Uchia clan's "tradition".

[@MagicSystemMonday]

I've learned implied is a cope word. Generally the "implied" portion of events literally never happened. And that's been the case in ever instance I have followed up with in this comment section. Moreover people will look at blatant examples of the writer contradicting himself and call it "implying". That unfortunately is the equivalent of circular reasoning

[@Psy_Ro]

you are right.

[@djray1027]

My interpretation of visible chakra was that when just building chakra it usually isn't supposed to be seen but when using chakra for jutsu or chakra cloaks/armor then it becomes visible

[@MagicSystemMonday]

If that were the case, why would haku have not just assumed naruto was using a special jutsu? Naruto is quite specific with it's exposition, this information would be clearly revealed through character statement. Moreover haku states something explicitly different, meaning any interpretation that makes sense by the time naruto ends would be inconsistent with the rules he set up. When something wasn't true originally and then becomes true later , this is called a retcon

[@djray1027]

@@MagicSystemMonday They can probably sense the difference between chakra building and jutsu kind of like when Tobirama started to power up in front of Sasuke it shows a difference in chakra being built in one spot versus chakra being utilized.

[@Chronoflation]

I thought Zabuza made a statement about being able to see the chakra in the raikiri when Kakashi used it against him, pointing out how dense it had to be to see it. Am I Mandela Effect remembering something that didn't happen? Since it happened around the same time as the 9 tails chakra leaking from Naruto, I figured that was designed to reveal how only incredibly dense chakra could be seen, or the elements being manipulated by it, like the water for the water dragon & Great Vortex or the lightning coming off of chidori. So most of the time, "seeing chakra" is just the shaped or natured form of chakra being seen, but density can be seen, kinda like how moisture in the air is clear but when it's cold out, you can see it in your breath cause it condenses rapidly before dissipating.

[@dancorneanu9144]

@@MagicSystemMonday You did notice that Haku gets contradicted before and in that fight. Naruto manifests chakra emissions. He may be just referring to normal chakra emissions. Normally, chakra isn't dense enough to be seen. Like fog. Denser fog is harder to see thru. Naruto is just emitting high quantities of it. A character makes statements based on characterization. Rasengan is visible because it is dense. Chakra transformed is visible as the element. Pure chakra should not be visible normally.

[@ShokuaK]

@@Chronoflation I've only scene the english dub, but I remember Zabuza's quote upon seeing the chidori being, "His chakra is so strong it's visible! He holds it in his hand! How is that even possible?!" Which to me seems to indicate that he was just as confused as Haku was by the kyubi chakra. Granted, this was before elements and bijuu were fully explained, but shinobi as skilled as those two should've known about them.

[@WoodyRun]

You're totally right that they didn't provide enough info for this to have a straightforward answer, but I just assumed that Lee passed the academy because his year, or class, didn't require clone jutsu to pass. I don't remember them saying that EVERYONE has to do the clone jutsu to graduate, no matter the class, year, etc. but I could be wrong about that. And since Lee's team is 1 year older, I thought they just did stuff differently

[@MagicSystemMonday]

rereading the translations for that chapter, I always thought that they just had to be skilled enough to prove the can use jutsu... then I realized that Naruto had already invented his own jutsu by that point and still wasn't allowed to pass. what ever the sentiment is that the criteria are based on year by year, it would probably still be based on a skill he doesn't have. It's possible that the novels answer it, but a lot of the characters and their powers in those are even more insconsistent.

[@wisequigon]

@@MagicSystemMonday what jutsu did Naruto invent before graduating the academy?

[@descendantofartorias2067]

​@@wisequigonthe sexy jutsu

[@wisequigon]

@@descendantofartorias2067 was thinking about that one, and I hope he won't answer the same because it will be quite stupid to believe that someone will graduate the academy on that transformation jutsu alone...

[@saintsinner4074]

I love how it starts out as the series being about: “A person no matter how weak can do great things with great resolve!” Into: “Yeah, he is Hokage of course! He is practically a God!” Way to shoot yourself in the foot Kishimoto…

[@mrguy22494]

And this is part of what made me gravitate towards Reiatsu/Spiritual Pressure. It's simplistic, easy to understand, and easy to visualize.

[@mrguy22494]

@@Wtfisulookin10 Supereyepatchwolf gave you that opinion?

[@JaneValentine007]

I also like hado / kido(?) in Bleach too, I just find it cool that Rukia uses it alot in the beginning (and on Ichigo for first time lol), and I haven't taken a deep dive into those compared to reiatsu stuff tho

[@marshalboyd3664]

What's to stop a skilled ninja from remembering the location of all the Chakra points and targeting them? Nothing, but without a way to see them in the middle of high speed combat it's more worthwhile to learn other techniques to fight. Someone talented enough to do that without a byakukan didn't start of that talented and had to fight somehow when they were first starting out.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Its not a given that it isn't worth it, we literally saw people doing it and specializing in it before chakra points were ever introduced. As for people not starting off with the skill... that applies to everything in the world of ninja.

[@marshalboyd3664]

@@MagicSystemMonday It would be like walking up to a jujitsu master and asking them why they can't fight using teakwondo. If they tried they'd probably be able to pull it of eventually, but why would they if what they're doing already works?

[@MagicSystemMonday]

asking why a martial arts user doesn't use another martial art in the real world is not a valid comparison. its different from medical ninja because they already CANONICALLY have the skills, knowledge and precision. Moreover, even people outside of medical ninja, such as black ops members, have been established to have this level of expertise. this is not a valid comparison. Its like asking "why don't you use this special, super useful techniques that we already know you have the skills to do effectively right now, despite the fact that there is no reason not to?" you also forget that real world martial arts don't have special superpowers attached to them, so that makes it a weak analogy in this case.

[@marshalboyd3664]

@@MagicSystemMonday if the argument is, "Why don't we see other characters outside of the Hyuga develop techniques to target Chakra points?" Then yes, it's weird that we don't see anyone else attempt it. But my understanding of the argument you made was why doesn't everyone develop these techniques if they're clearly useful. I'm sorry, but that doesn't follow through. In the narto world the vast number of shinobi will never advance past chunin, never take on S rank criminals like the akatsuki, and never make a name for themselves. It makes sense that in this world where the average shinobi will face threats like bandits, other chunin, and if they're unlucky the odd jonin, will focus on techniques that are perfectly effective, and easier to learn like swordsmanship, standard taijutsu, posions, ninjutsu, and genjutsu. The Hyuuga master the gentle fist because they can see the Chakra network with the byakugan. They were given a cheatsheet and you're surprised they got 100% on the quiz. Honestly, if there's a type of combat that makes no sense to not see more often, it's genjutsu. It's really powerful and ever village has genjutsu users. The only reason I can think of is an out of universe one, and that's that it doesn't look as flashy as a ninjutsu or taijutsu.

[@markcochrane9523]

@@marshalboyd3664 "They were given a cheatsheet and you're surprised they got 100% on the quiz." I am in awe of both the accuracy and the savagery of this line.

[@bluemew22]

32:45 - "What's to stop a skilled ninja from memorizing these points?" I'm told Boruto, son of Naruto and Hinata who has no Byakugan, uses the gentle fist in exactly this way you just described.

[@kingtroll2640]

Honestly I totally forgot that boruto should have the byakugan (unless for some reasons clan dojitsu can just disappear after one generation of non inbreeding)

[@jamalshelton5746]

Honestly, the only real evidence for hand seals being optional is the first kage fight, where high-level jutsu are used with minimal hand seals. Though if Kishimoto wanted that to be a thing, he should've explained it rather than forgetting about it. Granted beyond educational purposes none of this really matters anymore. Naruto is over so these rules only apply meaningfully to fan works now. And those can be whatever people want them to be. The video was still a good educational watch though. Thank you for making it.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Sort of a strange comment to make on an educational/writing channel. No offense but it's sort of a hollow statement Besides, 1000+ people in the comments seem to believe it does matter.

[@jamalshelton5746]

@MagicSystemMonday it does matter for historical and educational purposes, but not for anything current. When looking at what Naruto is and was, it's very important to examine the work, but unfortunately, it doesn't really affect the story’s future much since it's ended. It's nice to look back, but 1000+ people arguing doesn't change reality. It's better to learn from this video about what not to do than argue in the comments about how right anyone was in denial of the facts. Or just make fanfiction that does it all better so people can have something that's the way they wanted it to be. But to make what I'm saying more obvious. Naruto is over, and arguing about what happened for anything beyond fun or educational purposes won't change anything. Unless someone finds that stuff fun or enriching, it's probably best to either move on to something those people do enjoy or make something they'll like. But that's just my opinion. Most likely, nothing will change until people decide for themselves what they want to do and as long as they enjoy it, that's fine with me.

[@warrenbradford2597]

The art of two sentences. This is a useful tool to help explain things quickly without info dumping the audience.

[@spawnofapathy]

I think what happened was in the writing and action “spiritual energy” just became chakra itself. Doing this allowed them to write and create more powerful and creative abilities. If you go back to the original explanation of chakra and say that “spiritual energy” is already chakra then it makes everything else through the franchise makes more sense. Then apply the information that to make a jutsu you need elemental/nature energy. Hand seals become something used to shape the chakra. You need them until you know the shape the chakra needs to create the skill. Hand seals are like a formula or a recipe. I do miss hand seals. You get into Boruto and they pretty much never needed them. But this is a very easy and prevalent problem with soft magic systems. They can easily spiral and power creep way out of control. Writers make enemies stronger and then have to make heroes even stronger to beat them and it creates this cycle. See in DBZ where Vegeta can easily destroy a planet or Freeza can destroy a planet before Goku goes super Saiyan. Then characters are exponentially stronger by the time of DBZ Super and a fight between god Goku and gold freeza should result in the earth being destroyed just by accident. But instead characters react to freeza destroying a city like it’s a massive show of force. Worlds and magic systems like this don’t hold up if you go backwards in the story. You have to just roll with it as it reinvents itself going forward.

[@HonkaiHistory]

A really interesting thing I wish you wouldve covered but might've been too far into part 2 is: Are all humans able to use jutsus and have chakra? Because at first there was only a very small academy, where it appears as not every kid in this world learns jutsus and basic chakra manipulation. And normal people dont seem to use chakra at all, like not even in demanding jobs like the people who worked at construction at the bridge, where using genin level chakra manipulation would already help so much. Or also none of the thugs by Gatou or any of the village people had any kind of chakra-related ability, they all just fought with classic weapons. It seems like every non-ninja just lives like a chakraless normal person. Based on that, there should be a normal school too for normal people and the academy Naruto went to seems to be a special school for the hidden leaf to basicly training their military and for economic reasons as explained at the start of the zabuza arc. Then midway through part 2, when naruto learns nature energy, they suddenly say chakra exists in everything naturally, even in animals or plants. Which kinda would indicate it should exist in all humans too. Then at the end they say chakra came from the chakra fruit and no humans had chakra until kaguya came and the sons she had with a human were both born with natural chakra. So only people coming from that lineage would have access to chakra while normal humans do not. But then later in the boruto manga (which is written by kishimoto too) it is said chakra exists naturally on some planets and kaguya's clan only goes from planet to planet to create a chakra fruit from it to be able to harvest that planets chakra through one concentrated fruit. And her sons were just the first people to teach humans how to mold chakra and use abiliies with it. So either I am missing something or this was retcon'd like back and forth multiple times. Would love to see a video on this.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Yeah it was something I meant to talk about but technically never finished the video. I did want to talk about it though, because even up to the chunin exams the story insists that characters don't start with chakra and have to make it on their own, despite having a entire network in the body built do use chakra. Then the writer starts waffling about the source of chakra for whatever reason, adding a fair bit of confusion.

[@98ore]

I always felt like fighters like kabuto with medical knowledge and needles was so cold Also yea the samurai literally use chakra swords Also when tsunade punches she infuses raw chakra and I never understood why guy doesn’t and if he does why he didn’t teach rock lee that, taijutsu specialists should be smashing things same way tsunade and Sakura do, they should be raw speed and power, like raikage without the lightning

[@valeriansage]

because Tsunade and Sakura's strength comes from Ninjutsu chakra...what is Ninjutsu chakra? Mental and Physical energy....Why is this so hard to understand? Lee and Guy uses pure stamina or physical energy ALONE. When they open their gates, Lee without proper chakra control from inability to use ninjutsu can't release it thus it just amps his body and just boost his physical raw power and speed.....the higher the gates, the more it resembles the hundred healings strength but Sakura and Tsunade doesn't have the speed like gate amps does in one's body. Gate amps all the body while Sakura's power is concentrated and released as ninjutsu chakra. PURE chakra is equivalent to life force(that's why you die in 8th) which is also different from Ninjutsu chakra that is produce in the stomach and you have to "mold" it as i said combining physical and mental.

[@cephon6198]

Easy, Rock Lee and Guy train mobilizing their Chakra through intensive training, making it a reflex, or instinctual: muscle moving Chakra. Tsunade's Chakra enhanced strength is using advanced Chakra control to move muscle: it's the other way around.

[@Cronin115]

One of my favorite explanation for Lee not being able to use more complex ninjutsu and genjutsu but I have found online is the idea that he may have aphantasia. And visualization/focus is necessary to mold chakra into complex shapes or give it elemental form and such. That's obviously just fan speculation and headcanon as well, but it's definitely my favorite thought process about the whole thing.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

I responded to a comment about that the other week on another one of my vids

[@Cronin115]

​@@MagicSystemMondayI'll find it in a sec. But yeah, overall Naruto does have among the messiest attempts at a hard magic in modern fiction. It was definitely easier to overlook as a kid growing up reading and watching it lol. Shippuden definitely increased the inconsistencies and issues with almost every progressive arc.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

The more I watch of the video, the happier I get that I never once bothered to understand the details of chakra and jutsu. It might lessen my experience, but it also makes it infinitely more peaceful.

[@mallmann72]

About handsigns, I think they are a way of simplifying the manipulation of form and nature in Chakra. Think of it as 3D modeling. Handsigns give the X, Y, Z coordinates (the form) and also the texture (the nature) of the jutsu. The ninja can do all of that mentally (as Naruto does with rasen shuriken), but simply remembering the handsigns facilitates this process. It's like running a script instead of writing the code from scratch everytime.

[@nukie6550]

bro u are fking amahzing......such a good explanation.....just so simple....yet soooooooo fking good....cant believe i didnt think of it like this b4

[@fdevaa]

So you're implying him inventing the rasenshuriken means he's a genius when it comes to chakra nature manipulation? Being able to understand wind nature after a few weeks of training even with shadow clones l, as you need the brain power to process all that information, would imply that he's actually a genius even surpassing the likes of Itachi or any genius whatever ninja. But no, we all know Naruto is stupid, and can't think for himself. It's just awful writing, a wasted potential.

[@DeonSaga]

⁠​⁠@@fdevaaat multiple points during the development of rasenshuriken kakashi thinks naruto could surpass the 4th and he did, he was compared to the 4th by Jiraiya too. the 4ths was a genius and naruto did multiple things he couldnt. Naruto is a genius by all accounts with an insane bloodline but due to his upbringing, personality and large chakra pool he couldnt reach his potential in p1 or early p2

[@fdevaa]

@@DeonSaga the 4th couldn't because he was busy too busy fighting in a war + banging Kushina + being hokage + fighting Kyuubi. Naruto literally spent most of his time thinking about Sasuke

[@saintsinner4074]

A retcon I hated (Which may have just been for artistic purposes) is how the fact that everyone’s Chakra had a different color but later on even in the manga it all became sky blue with hints of gray

[@MagicSystemMonday]

They even ruined the red chakra that the tailed beasts had. Originally red chakra was a special kind, with its own qualities like being inherently malevolent and destructive, to basically just some strong chakra.

[@backwurds9195]

⁠@@MagicSystemMondayNo the red Chakra is just the tailed beast cloak it’s the tailed beasts actual chakra color

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Except it's not just a different color. I mentioned some of its features in the video.

[@saintsinner4074]

Sorry I haven’t been keeping up, I went through some seizures and severe heat exhaustion recently

[@backwurds9195]

@@saintsinner4074 That’s awful I hope you get better soon dude

[@allgreatnike1009]

I loved this video. We need an analyses of Bleach or hunter x hunter powersystems.

[@igodreamer7096]

Rock Lee was the main character of that series and non one will convince me from the contrary. A true underdog story.

[@TwistedLullabies]

Naruto is about stopping the cycle of hatred, not hard work beats talent

[@galicianport8429]

@@TwistedLullabiesthat’s gay and obviously no one cares. We want to see LEE.

[@TwistedLullabies]

@@galicianport8429 What did Lee do past the Gaara fight?

[@dennisbernhard3117]

Kishimoto is just a trash writer. He never planned anything out. That's why he condradictes himself all the time...

[@fenrir9398]

Little comment to help engagement for the video was surprisingly well produced

[@sonowbrand7824]

I always interpreted the elemental jutsu as things anyone can learn, but everyone has an affinity towards one element, making that element easier to learn/use. Anyone can learn the Chidori, but Lightning users have the easiest time. Bonus head-canon: Some elemental jutsu are too difficult to learn for people who lack an affinity for that element. Like Chidori for example.

[@igodreamer7096]

"Maybe chackra are the Nine Tails cheat code we found along the Shippuuden" ⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@markcochrane9523]

"Why doesn't someone just memorize all the spots on the chakra network?" Been asking myself that for years, never found a satisfactory answer. Addendum: reading some of the other comments here, I have found that @marshalboyd3664 has provided a satisfactory answer: opportunity cost. Even if all the chakra points have already been learned about through medical research, memorizing them well enough to hit them consistency would take a lot of time and effort, and it still wouldn't be combat viable if you did not also have a high level of taijutsu proficiency, the kind that is usually only achieved by taijutsu specialists and top-tier shinobi. With their magical chakra-seeing eyes, members of the Hyuuga clan have no need to memorize the points and are free to focus entirely on obtaining the taijutsu proficiency needed to hit chakra points in combat. Most medical ninja aren't also taijutsu specialists, they likely know enough about both chakra points and general anatomy to augment whatever level of taijutsu proficiency they have with their knowledge. Spec ops are top-tier ninja, so if they can fit "memorize a few critical chakra points" into their training routine then they already have the taijutsu proficiency to use it. But for most ninja? The ones that history won't remember? The ones that will never fight anyone more dangerous than a jonin, and that's only if they're unlucky? They don't need to be the best, they only need to be better than the next chunin, so their time and effort would be better spent working on their standard weapon skills, taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu. @m0002856 has also pointed out that this issue could be entirely resolved by any small, plausible change that makes it so that the Byakugan is required to know not just where to strike but also, and just as importantly, when to strike.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

ikr. canonically some spec ops and most medical ninja actually do it... or at least something similar.

[@erhiueQWEF]

The location of every single one is probably unknown. The only people who can them are people with Byakugan, who's to say they simply don't record or publicly release the locations of all the chakra points? Medical Nin and Spec Ops probably know *a few* but they wouldn't have access to the entire thing.

[@markcochrane9523]

@@erhiueQWEF I dunno man, it just seems like something you could figure out in its entirety through trial and error.

[@nahuel3433]

​@@markcochrane9523For what? To use the soft fist? Neji is known as an incredible prodigy for being able to hit them so consiste tly and that's with him being able to see them. Other hyuugas can have a hard time hititng them good (in fact the fight of Neji vs Hinata highlights that difference in talent) and again that's with them being able to see where they are and how they shift with any contorsion your body makes.

[@shadou1234567]

Because the one to discover it would become the Fist of The North Star of naruto

[@TheSilentNoise28]

I can see the valid approaches in this. I've heard that the powercreep within the show became the issue once war arc. So I can now see the original magic system had to suffer to make the story more interesting. Some will attempt to correct you, yet your nuanced approaches do point at some deeper issues that got neglected or abused. Also don't always die on a hill of absolutes. However it's hard not to when the author doesn't provide an alternative or reason. Which the reader has to make up their solution.

[@decidueyezealot8611]

Author kind of made things up as he sent along, especially in filler 😂 I still remember the summon that stayed despite the people that summoned it being dead. Thing existed because of a mcguffin scroll that doesn't get explained or brought up again ever

[@craigyeah1052]

@@decidueyezealot8611 weekly releases will do that to you. Presumably most filler is made on short notice as well by people less familiar with the story. Don't get me wrong there are weekly authors who care enough to keep things consistent in the power system, but I can't blame anyone who doesn't make it a priority.

[@FatefulMedia3383]

Great catches my dude. I'll certainly apply these teaching ls to my own magic system later!

[@trashpanda2825]

I actually have a headcanon that explains why gentle fist can break certain ninjutsu and it connects many canon points! During Neji's last real fight in Naruto, it's explained that Hyuuga clan members use their perfect defense by releasing chakra from every point in their body while spinning, creating a rotating ball of pure chakra. This repels other chakras and of course taijutsu won't work because they're incredibly skilled in it and you wouldn't want to approach them. However, to release one's own chakra requires great chakra control, and the byakugan shows the user the flow of chakra. Almost all ninjutsu also require chakra control, but especially long range ninjutsu, or projectiles. Fireballs, water dragons, anything that leaves your body requires precision to maintain its shape. This likely includes the spider dude's webs, hardened with his chakra. If a Hyuuga clan member can see the chakra signature of a projectile ninjutsu and use their own projected chakra in a gentle fist manner to disrupt the precision of these ninjutsu, it would probably be possible to cancel out the effects of the projectile. Considering the affinity for fire jutsu that the Uchiha show, which is usually projectiles, and the fact that Susano'o supposedly works essentially the same as the Hyuuga perfect defense, it would also very much explain the early rivalry and contrasts we see in Naruto between the Hyuuga and Uchiha

[@datboi1861]

This makes so much sense. This is my headcanon now.

[@starspawn507]

I definitely agree that some of the things you brought up are contradictions (such as the condensed and raw vs elemental chakra changes, hand signs, and illogical eye jutsu stuff), but I don't think they all are. Also I recognize that this comment is entirely pointless and you'll almost certainly ignore it but I don't particularly care. I feel like set/natural "chakra levels" in relation to levels of spiritual and physical energy is not contradictory if you consider the idea of like, intrinsic talent vs training/learned skills. Having "naturally high chakra reserves" would mean you start with more of each type of energy than someone with "low reserves", but training/growth then adds onto that amount either way. It definitely isn't a complete solution. The first flaw that comes to my mind is that it doesn't explain why Kakashi, a highly trained ninja, wouldn't have achieved high levels just from his training to get there. But it would solve a good bit of it.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

I don't ignore comments. I read all of them. I just can respond to all of them because I don't have time for every single one, especially if I have to cite multiple points in argument. There's only so much time I have to plot out walls of text in a day.

[@theking8347]

Anyone can learn any of the five basic elements. What each character is born with is a natural"affinity' towards one specific element. For example, Kakashi can use all five elements, but the one he has a natural affinity for is Lightning. It's the same with Sasuke. He can use Fire Jutsu because he's an Uchiha, but that's because the clan specializes in Fire Style. Sasuke's actual natural affinity is Lightning, just like Kakashi, which is why he could learn the Chidori.

[@enmysigmaquadrat9464]

Chakra is a great example to show the difference between a magic system and a power system. A magic system sets out some rules, like a almost universal resource like mana, qui, chakra and so on, and an idea on how to use them, like a bunch of spells in harry potter or more vague ways to go about it like in LotR, where the ways magic can work is not well defined but still very graspable. Important in magic systems is that everyone who can use this system has theoretically access to the same abilities, they just choose to use magic in a different way. A power system as something that enables characters to use different kind of magical powers. These can be widely different, don't have to adhere to one unifying system and are usually unique to each charakter. Good examples would be quirks from MHA or Stands from JoJo. These systems usually have every charakter making the best of the ability they have, but everyone has their own thing going with no "basic quirk abilities" everyone can use. Both of these systems have their advantages and disadvantages. Magic systems allow for very interesting narratives that need the reader to understand the system and draw conclusions from their knowledge about how the magic system works. Power systems aren't limited and can create very interesting scenarios, like in every stand battle in JoJos. Most Shounen try to create a system that combines both. Dragonball has Qi, Naruto Chakra, HunterxHunter Nen, One Piece Haki, these are all basically magic systems that can be used in somewhat defined ways. Simultaniously, all of them also have charakters using their own signature moves. Dragonball basically does nothing to bridge this gap, there is no good reason why everyone tends to stick to their moves, but Goku used the flash so there are exceptions and qi is a full blown magic system. HunterxHunter did it the best, with the rules of nen being clearly defined and the reason why everyone has their own abilities is also sound within the system. Still, the magic system side with a base set of abilities everyone needs to control is not abandoned but instead core part of every combat encounter, while the power system stuff is often only pulled out as the finisher or in synergy with the nen rules to create interesting combat situations. One Piece actually has two separate systems, Devil Fruits being a power system without any kind of "mana", Haki is a magic system where Haki can run out and has clearly defined applications. These systems interact by Haki being basically a counter to OP devil fruit abilities while also being kind of the rule of cool but as a magic system, thereby explaining quite a lot of questions in a pretty consise manner and balancing out logias, so yeah, I overall really like how One Piece handles these two systems. Naruto on the other hand kind of got the worst part of both worlds. Chakra is a magic system that has clearly defined rules, only those rules and the base magic system doesn't really matter for most of the story since the really relevant abilities are mostly unique abilities you cant learn since they are kekkek genkai/dojutsu/secret clan jutsu/jutsu from another village/jutsu with unique contracts/family jutsus/a certain elemental release/... Kishimoto didn't introduce a lot of jutsus that everyone could just learn, mostly because this would make these jutsus more important in combat, which is very complicated to handle, but this leads to the magic system being morphed into a power system where everyone is stuck in their own thing, even in a magic system, but with the power system being limited by the amount of available chakra, which could be cool and sometimes is, but ultimately becomes just another word for stamina. This is a very limited system for a writer, since you cannot be too creative within powers without breaking the magic system entirely while also not being able to utilise the tactical benefits of a magic system. Usually with stronger characters being introduced that raise the power ceiling and have more "mana" available, such a restriction could be lifted but instead, the powerset of the characters with the most chakra in the series feel dull and uninspired.

[@TheAzulmagia]

I'm surprised I actually remembered the reason the Sharingan was needed for the Chidori. Or at the broad strokes of "Something something, helps them see at high speed."

[@johnpellegrinoconnors3843]

In the War arc of Naruto the second hokage mentions how in his day people required more handsigns to do the same jutsus implying that it is an issue of skill and accumulated experience. Which doesn't Really excuse everyone forgetting handsigns entirely but it's the War arc, Kishimoto was well checked out at that point.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

Key word war arc. Most of the retcons I mentioned have already happened by that time. Seems like his statement is one of them.

[@riluna3695]

Looking over all this in Naruto, and remembering what I already know about Dragon Ball Z, I can't decide whether my focus on internal consistency and knowing later plot points ahead of time is proof that I'd do fine if I got my work published, or a sign that that sort of consistency doesn't actually sell and people like constant retcons and mistakes _better,_ :P But oh well. I can't help being me. I'd have a panic attack if I tried to write something without planning it ahead of time.

[@MagicSystemMonday]

If people like it enough, they will make any excuse they can. Consistency helps though. Every single piece of work that is riddled with inconsistencies that exists today would be better without them -- way better. But then again, even a boring story can be consistent. Ultimately, all I could ever suggest is do your best. If you don't, you'll have to live with the fact that you didn't respect your work, your readers, or yourself.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@MagicSystemMonday well said

[@deleteduser121]

​@@MagicSystemMondayArt is just a flash of brilliance hard to maintain Art is an explosion 💥

[@Titanic_Tuna]

This is a great breakdown of many of the problems with the power system that I have thought quite a lot about. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks about this. I get the impression that Kishimoto is aware of many of these problems, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to fix them. It would be cool if he talked about it in the future at some point but I don't think that's realistically going to happen. Definitely will subscribe to see what else you cook up.

[@wisequigon]

what I hope for is for a Naruto remake with all the things settle up... maybe when Kishi will be old and won't have anything to do.

[@comyuse9103]

@@wisequigon i'd prefer an actual artist and writer out there get annoyed that naruto was so awful they decided to make a better version themselves.

[@wisequigon]

@@comyuse9103 yeah... I would like to do that... to bad I am not neither a writer or artist...well not a good one, maybe the AI will help the types of me.

[@Banzakai]

Hi! So this is the first video of yours that I've found. This is my introduction to your work, and I gotta say, I kinda love it. I clicked on it hoping for a more general chronicle of the retcons in Naruto. From the magic system, to the point about Shukaku being retconed into Kurama's brother, and things of that nature. So it wasn't what I was expecting, but when you explained the premise you were going for, my reaction was "All right! That sounds like it would kick ass. I knew some things didn't feel right, but maybe this will tell me why." And it did. I honestly didn't even know some of the points you brought up, until you did. I couldn't forget that you had to weave Chakra before you have it your body, because I don't remember ever learning it. The way you broke down what we were initially told, and then brought up later explanations that went back on it was very well done. With this series in particular, I have fun reading the fan fiction, and I love seeing other people's takes, not only on how the magic works, but also the extrapolations they have on it. One uses the idea that techniques uses frequencies, and if you match a frequency, you can affect an attack thrown at you. One uses the idea that a single Jutsu can have 4 different ways to use it of varying lengths, and the shorter one you use, the more you have to do yourself. It's a mess that both works for what it has, and is open enough to interpretation that that you can have fun building with it. And, as you point out, has holes and contradictions and things left and right that just don't fit together into a clean puzzle. You did an awesome job with this one, and I intend to see what other shows you cover. You made a fan today.

[@olivergro7105]

Thx for giving me a 4 min intro so ive read through all comments before vid starts

[@princemannic]

this video actually popped off

[@giannixx]

I think the first thing that needs to be said in this kind of discussion and analysis is that Kishimoto didn't plan out the whole story from the start, at least not the details. There's a lot of things that he made up as he went along and that's part of the reason why there are so many retcons and even some plotholes in the story. I don't know about other mangakas, but in his defence I can say that the weekly format for manga requires inhumane amounts of work, and Kishimoto released a new chapter every single week for 15 years. We can't compare that pressure with George Martin's situation, for example, in which he has a lot of time to plan things out and polish his work, in Martin's case (and in general the case with the novel media), to go back and fix things before publication. So there's that. Another important factor which most people forget or just are not aware of is that Naruto wasn't written just by Kishimoto, as there were a lot decisions, both good and bad, he was kinda forced to make by his editors. Now, with that out of the way, I'd like to give my two cents on a couple of issues you brought up. I'll be adding comments as I watch the video. Right now I stopped at 18:20 Regarding Kurama being out of chakra while itself being made of chakra, I always understood those moments in the War Arc the following way. All the Bijuu are masses of chakra given form and life, but that doesn't mean they have an unlimited chakra pool. Otherwise they would gradually spend their chakra and disappear. When Naruto takes a chunk of Kurama's chakra during their fight, Kurama becomes very skinny like an animal who is sick or struggling to find food, it then spends even more chakra trying to make a massive Bijudama, and we see Kurama getting even skinnier, beyond what is possible irl, during that process, it starts loosing its texture, so to say, the teeth seemingly merging with the rest of the snout. So it stands to reason that if a Bijuu spends all of its chakra, it will disappear and die because it will convert even its body back into chakra. So in order to keep providing not only Naruto, but the whole alliance without dying, Kurama had to rest/cut the flow and produce more chakra. The problem here is to explain how does a Bijuu make more chakra? Do they have separate physical and spiritual energy? Idk and neither does Kishimoto, probably. Now regarding the idea of cultivating just one type of energy and the seeming inconsistency with having more of one type than the other, the shinobi philosophy of chakra has to do with balancing both kinds of energy, balancing and training both body and spirit/mind, so it doesn't make sense to just cultivate one of them. Sage Mode gives the user special abilities because it is taking nature energy, which is outside the body, and mixing it together to create sage chakra, making the person kinda become one with nature. Physical and spiritual energy already are integral parts of everyone's body, and I agree that there are some interesting possibilities here, but those abilities you mentioned already are possible by focusing on either Yin or Yang release. Shikamaru's shadow jutsu and all Genjutsu use those types of chakra. The only change I would make here would be to tie Yang Release with physical energy and Yin Release with spiritual energy, but that again incurs in the problem that the point is balancing both sources of energy, not cultivating just one of them. 36:10 I agree when you say other people should be able to use the Gentle Fist without the Byakugan. The solution to that is that this fighting style should have been made possible/viable only with the Byakugan, or be made viable through the Hyuga Kekkei Genkai. Now, I think you misunderstood how the Gentle Fist is portrayed in the story. It's not a contradiction, it's an expansion upon what had been previously stablished. The Gentle Fist doesn't "negate" chakra, what it does is to channel chakra through your body, usually the hands, to manipulate chakra that's not your own. That can be used to press the pressure points and mess up the enemy's chakra network, but it can also be used to shoot chakra into the enemy to directly injure their internal organs (which are also connected to the chakra network in a way analogous to the veins and arteria in the circulatory system). Later on, we find out further applications of this technique, so again, not a contradiction, but using the same system/technique in different ways. In the second part of the Chunin Exams we find out Neji is actually able to release chakra from his whole body at the same time, not just the hands, and that's an advanced use of the Gentle Fist, so not every clan member would be able to do that. That allows him to essentially create a barrier around him made out of chakra, and that is the fundament of the Rotation, creating a wall, a dome of chakra around the user to deflect attacks. In his fight against Kidoumaru Neji is doing the same thing. It's the same technique working in the same way, but it manifesting in new ways due to the interaction with Kidoumaru's abilities. In Neji's previous fights, neither Naruto nor Hinata used objects imbued with chakra, but now Kidoumaru does. Neji is not negating the Ninjutsu, he is severing the chakra flow within the webs, allowing him to cut them. By that logic, I now think he should also be able to cut the chakra treads puppeteers like Kankuro use, but we never see that interaction, it's just a prediction that should be true given how the technique works. It's the same thing with the Rasengan when we later find out that one can imbue elemental chakra into it. It's not contradicting the way the jutsu works, just expanding it's usage. An even better analogy is the Sharingan. We gradually learn through the course of the story new ways in which it can be used, even that it can evolve and unlock unique abilities, but that never contradicts what was previously explained. Now you wanna know why this ability of the Gentle Fist is never addressed again? Because after that point in the story there's next to none fight involving any Hyuga 🤣 I agree that the Gentle Fist could theoretically cut through some forms of Ninjutsu, but I wouldn't push it as far as to say it would cut a Susano'o open like you suggested. The Susano'o is an incredibly dense mass of chakra, so I don't think any Gentle Fist user would be that strong, at least not without a massive amp which none of them ever come close to get. But it should work in theory, as you can break a Susano'o with sheer physical strength, so something able to cut chakra could potentially have an easier time doing it. It's just that, just because a steel sword has the ability to sever atomic and molecular bounds by being sharp and thin, and therefore cut butter, water bottles, flesh and bone by digging into the material and pushing it apart, it doesn't mean it can cut a piece of granite, or another equally well made sword for that matter. I think that's the analogy. If Neji tried to pierce any Susano'o, he would break his fingers. But the problem here is that the Hyuga and the Gentle Fist are essentially forgotten about in Shippuden, so they were never explored further, not an inconsistency of the system itself. Btw the only time the Gentle Fist is used in battle after Part 1 is when Hinata tries to fight Pain, but she never lands a hit, and a couple of times in the War Arc. When Neji fights some white Zetsus, we see he is able to rip open a Zetsu's body by expelling chakra through his whole body, but that ability was already introduced in Part 1, that only tells us that a Zetsu's body probably has a higher percentage of chakra whan a human being, which makes sense since they don't even seem to have bones. Oh, there's another usage that is introduced in early Shippuden and then only appears again in the War Arc, that of the Hakke Kushou and its variants. It almost looks like a Wind Style Ninjutsu, but it is actually Taijutsu. According to a databook, the person uses the Gentle Fist to push the air towards the enemy. Because it's a very fast strike, it creates a pressure wave which travels towards the enemy. Using the Byakugan, the user can also aim precisely at vital organs. Now, as I said, this description is from a databook, and people disagree about how legitimate or canon they are. But going by that, the last part doesn't make much sense, I mean, how do you precisely aim a wave of pressurized air? Also by the scale of it, it is more likely to hit the enemy's whole body instead of particular organs. My headcanon is that it also has something to do with the releasing of chakra because it's a technique that uses the Gentle Fist and otherwise it would have nothing to do with it. Just like Neji, for example, is able to create a barrier of chakra/air and uses that to create the Rotation, I suppose he can use that same principle to shoot that wall of air with his hands. One interesting thing is that the databook implies that speed is essential to create this wave of pressure. I suppose then that very fast and very strong ninja outside the Hyuga clan could use a similar technique. Guy, Neji's sensei, is actually a good example. He is able to create a torrent/vortex of air by just pushing it really hard and really fast. This technique, the Hirudora, also is pure Taijutsu, there isn't any chakra in the attack itself, it's just air pressure. Another layer of headcanon: Maybe the Gentle Fist allows the user to create that pressure wave more easily by also using chakra, utilising the same principle of the Rotation, as I suggested above. Guy is able to do something similar, but in a much bigger scale, with just physical strength, but there's very few people who can achieve that level of strength and speed, so it makes sense.

[@giannixx]

39:20 There are two reasons as to why every ninja doesn't go around using the Rasengan. 1) Manifesting and condensing raw chakra enough to the point it is actually dangerous is really difficult, and the incomplete form of the jutsu is much weaker, and to master the Rasengan takes a very long time. So at that point why not just learn other easier offensive Ninjutsu? 2) Information is power in the world of Naruto, so there are many secret techniques particular to a certain village, to the point that it is a big deal if one of your ninja if captured or dies and their corpse is taken by the enemy from another village. That creates the risk of that village finding out the ins and outs of that particular technique and using it against you. In addition to that, the Rasengan was passed down to very few people, and the jutsu itself was invented rather recently. Minato took 3 years to create the jutsu, then Jiraiya learned it from him, Kakashi either learned it from Minato or from Jiraiya, his Sharingan allowing him to have an easier time learning the jutsu, Naruto learned it from Jiraiya and Konohamaru learned it from Naruto. It's a complex technique passed down within this very small circle of people and it's not something you can learn or copy mid combat, unless you have a Sharingan, I guess. Then, why doesn't Sasuke use the Rasengan? He already has the Chidori, which is always depicted as being on the same level. A third, meta reason, would be that you don't want everyone using the Rasengan because that's Naruto's signature technique. Doing so would make the jutsu seem less unique, and that goes for every character's arsenal. But then surely other people in other villages should use that same principle to independently invent similar techniques, and they do. There's the technique of the Samurai in which they imbue their swords with chakra to enhance their cutting ability, and their whole army employs that. There's also the Susano'o, but it is locked behind a Kekkei Genkai and the Mangekyou Sharingan, so we only see a few people using it. Funnily enough, the (particularly strong) Hyuga do a similar thing creating chakra/air barriers. The Rotation is just a human sized, single vector of movement Rasengan if you stop to think about it. There's also the chakra armor the Raikages use, but that uses Lightning Release, not just raw chakra. 40:30 Hmmm, I struggle to find a reason why elemental jutsu wouldn't have an advantage most of the times. Applying elemental transformation to your chakra is an advanced skill, yet not so advanced as to be unviable because a lot of people can do it, so it stands to reason that it should be more powerful than jutsu done with raw chakra, given both have the same amount of chakra input. The elemental jutsu has something else to it, so it makes sense for it to be stronger. The Rasengan also requires advanced skills to use, and honestly it seems more difficult than simpler nature transformations. Sasuke learned the Fire Ball Jutsu when he was around 8 and didn't take that much time to master it. Sure, he's a prodigy, but it's a way easier jutsu to learn and covers a wider area than the Rasengan, it can be used mid range while the Rasengan requires you to be in melee range. How many other jutsu fall in this category of being more versatile and easier to learn than the Rasengan? A lot. As an addendum, the Fire Ball Jutsu is classified as a C-Rank technique, while the Rasengan is A-Rank (whithin the scale of S > A > B > C > D > E), so it is by definition a jutsu two tiers easier to learn than the Rasengan. 42:52 I hate to be the "uh, actually" guy, but the Chidori is actually a A-Rank jutsu. It is Kakashi's version, the Raikiri, which is classified as S-Rank. That is, if you wanna go by databook statements. So you either take the databook ranking into consideration and the Chidori is the same rank as the Rasengan or you can't make that argument. Other than that, as far as I know, according to manga canon "Raikiri" really is just a nickname for when Kakashi uses the Chidori. When Kakashi explains the concepts of nature and form transformation, he says the Chidori uses both, but he also says that the Rasengan is the pinnacle of form transformation, that's why it's so difficult to learn. Jiraiya said something along those lines back in Part 1 if memory serves me right. So you really can't say which one is harder to learn. I also don't know why you're putting so much emphasis on having to do hand seals while in the scene where Jiraiya says that to Naruto he is kinda saying Naruto is dumb, which he certainly was in Part 1 in the sense of not being booksmart and having trouble focusing and memorizing things. But every other ninja is proficient with weaving hand signs, the difference usually being how fast how can do it. Every ninja is required to learn some basic jutsu like the simple Clones and the Substitution, and those require hand seals. And come on, the Chidori only require 3 hand seals, and none at all once you become proficient with it. You have, however, reasons to prefer the Rasengan over the Chidori, those being: *It could be potentially harder to learn the Chidori if you don't have affinity with Lightning; *The Chidori does seem to require more chakra even though Naruto has a gigantic chakra pool so he can spam a lot of jutsu like the Shadow Clones and the Rasengan, and even though Kakashi in general has low chakra levels. The evidence for the Chidori consuming more chakra than the Rasengan is that it seems too extreme that Part 1 Sasuke can only use it twice per day (and of course the meta reason for that is to put a limitation on this relatively broken technique for Part 1 standards and to create tension whenever Sasuke tries to use it a third time), and the fact that it uses nature transformation (but then again, so do many Ninjutsu). Both jutsu also are made for different uses. The Chidori has less destructive power, but has much more powerful than the Rasengan for piercing the target, it is meant for assassination and for being a 1 hit kill. The Rasengan uses blunt force grinding the dense chakra against the person's body. I've seen a good analogy: the Rasengan is like a grenade, it's explosive, loud and flashy, while the Chidori is like a high caliber sniper bullet, it goes through any defence, but doesn't have the same explosive power. However, both do the job of killing the target.

[@giannixx]

49:55 I completely agree with your "nitpicking" regarding Rock Lee. If he is able to walk on water, he should be able to use the Cloning Technique and the Substitution. I'd prefer if he couldn't do it, that you just make him more handicapped since walking on walls and even on water (although a but more advanced) are conveniences most ninja have access to. And he also shouldn't have been allowed to pass the academy without making up headcanon. For example, we see Guy knew about him at the time, so he might have persuaded the teachers to approve him. Kishimoto didn't think that through. 52:45 That's a very common misconception even I had until recently. Kakashi's explanation does lead you to believe that each person can only ever learn a set number of nature transformations they are born with. But when you look at it more closely, that is not the case, the nature transformations are in fact learned. The catch is that everyone has affinity for at least 1 element, maybe 2 or 3, but with enough training anyone (except Rock Lee hahah) can learn any basic nature transformation, it's just that it is significantly more difficult. That way it is generally more efficient to just focus on what you have affinity with. Jounin can usually use 2 to 3 also because they had more time to train and they are more powerful, elite individuals. Kakashi has been shown using every basic nature transformation except for Wind Release, that either means the has affinity with 4 elements or that Kishimoto chose not to give Wind Style jutsus to Kakashi to make it more unique to Naruto. Naruto for example has natural affinity with wind, but theoretically he could learn all the other nature transformations. One of the stronger evidences that that is how it actually works is in the War Arc when Shikamaru asks a ninja from the Stone Village to teach the alliance a basic Earth Style barrier simple enough so that anyone could make it. That implies everyone can potentially use any basic elemental jutsu. I would prefer if it was limited to whatever you were born with, but that's how things are. 55:30 Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is never stated that every elemental Ninjutsu also requires form transformation. Form transformation just means you are shaping the chakra in a specific way, and the Fire Ball Jutsu, for example, is just an amorphous blast of fire, it is never implied the spherical shape is caused by form transformation. When Kakashi is saying that, he is explaing specifically how the Chidori works as it is a good example precisely because it combines both forms of chakra transformation. Also, it wouldn't be a problem if Haku's Ice Mirrors used form transformation since Haku was extremely talented and probably around Jounin level. Age doesn't matter much in Naruto when it comes to talent or Kekkei Genkai. Kakashi became Jounin when he was 13, and Itachi's career is even more impressive as he entered the ANBU when he was still a child. As Kakashi said when Naruto first met Haku, "in this world there are boys who are younger than you and stronger than me" (even though that never paid off. I can't remember anyone younger than 12 and stronger than that version of Kakashi before the Boruto era, but the general idea of what he meant was correct). Zabuza said Haku was stronger than him, and that was probably true. 1:02:15 It's not headcanon that the more proficient you are with a jutsu, the less hand seals you need to weave in order to use it. Just look at Sasuke, he initially needs to weave the 3 hand signs for Chidori, but that isn't the case anymore in Shippuden. Kakashi also uses the Raikiri multiple times without weaving hand signs. That's how it works. Should Kishimoto have explained it better an also shown other jutsus being used without hand signs? Absolutely. There is the claim that Tobirama only needed 4 hand signs to perform the Water Dragon jutsu, but that's a filler scene. 1:06:22 To be fair, one would need to check every mention across the series in the Japanese manga, or to directly ask Kishimoto, to find out whether that was a retcon or not. It could as well have been. As I said before, to my knowledge the system always worked like this (you are born with an affinity but can learn all 5 given enough effort), at least since when the concept of nature transformation was introduced. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if it worked differently back then, like with Kakashi supposedly knowing multiple elements because of the Sharingan, and Kishimoto just hadn't thought out the elemental system. I'm pretty sure that's the case in Part 1. It is never unambiguously stated in the manga whether Sasuke was born with two elemental affinities or if he developed his skills with Lightning Release while training under Kakashi. And I see no problem with the Rinnegan giving all 5 nature transformations, whether that means having 5 affinities or being able to use 5 elements. The Rinnegan is a god-like power, it is the eyes of the Rikudou Sennin, it gives the user powers over gravity and even over death for crying out loud. Also, when Kakashi says he couldn't copy Haku's Ice Style because it was a Kekkei Genkai, it is implied he can in fact copy any basic elemental Ninjutsu. So a regular Sharingan gives the user an easier time learning any of the 5 elemental transformations. It's not absurd that the Rinnegan, the origin and final form of the Sharingan, can do it in a better way. I don't know if this is stated or if it is only implied, but the reason the Rinnegan gives the user all 5 nature transformations is probably that it contains Rikudou's chakra. Madara only awakened the Rinnegan because he implanted himself with Hashirama's cells, thus mixing the Uchiha and Senju chakra, recreating a kind of Six Paths chakra as both clans are directly descended from Rikudou. 1:08:11 As I said before, it always worked like that. But I agree with you in the sense that all of them being able to learn that kind of jutsu that fast is just dumb and makes no sense. It also diminishes the power of the Sharingan of being able to analyse and copy different jutsu even if they use an elemental transformation you don't have affinity with. Having finished the video, yes, there are a lot of inconsistencies and retcons, and in general I agree with everything you said that I didn't comment on here.

[@encouraginglyauthentic43]

Weekly release doesn't defend bad writing, he still went in without a plan that is his fault.

[@hiagustres]

I completely forgot about the "having to build up chakra" rule, thanks for making this video!

[@MagicSystemMonday]

I always thought it was funny how the writer caught himself forgetting his own rule and immediately reintroduced several times in just a few chapters

[@i.q.1979]

Thank you so much, man. You opened my eyes to a lot of things I didn't realize.

[@Celestial-rn4vm]

how i understood it was, that it was always intended that people have a chakra capacity that is always active. By "building up" chakra, i always understood it in a way, that you make a connection to your chakra storage (absorbing, "manifesting" it). And after this process, you control the chakra you took from your storage. this is how i understood the "creating" or "building" up chakra. you need something from what you "create" the chakra afterall. edit: explains how it is indeed deadly to use up too much chakra, since all you do is "creating" chakra from something you have inside of you. for example a raw form of chakra you take access whenever you want to use it. explains why tobirama didnt sense anything, because he wasnt actively making access to his chakra storage (kneading/weaving it)

[@renatoramos8834]

Regarding the natures per person, anyone can use any element of ninjutsu but those without affinity for an element will just come out like shit. In the war, Shikamaru asks for the stone village to show a simple earth jutsu for eveyone to do, knowing that those without earth affinity would only create brittle walls.