Naruto Shippuden - Episode 458 - ITACHI GAIDEN : Truth - Normies Group Reaction

[@SharkyShocker]

Black Zetsu really said "I rewrote the Uchiha Bible"

[@bendover7841]

Scary considering how much the Bible has changed throughout history.

[@icarojose6316]

The Bible never changed, it’s always the same manuscripts written up to the first century. What changes are the translations of those manuscripts from Hebrew and Koine Greek to English. When the KJV Bible was written in the 17th century the word let meant (to hold), today the word let means (to release), of course the language chances over the years requiring new translations, but the original mNuscripts are always available online for anybody who wants to check .

[@TheEncrypto]

​​@@icarojose6316What original manuscripts? Jesus didn't speak Greek or Latin. There are no original manuscripts. The earliest complete Bible is from the 4th Century, several centuries after Jesus. There are literally Biblical verses which are now openly admitted to been later additions. In a way, what Black Zetsu did to the Uchiha tablet, is very similar to what has been done to the Bible.

[@maxproctor1229]

@@TheEncryptothe common written language was Greek for the area. From the Romans to Hebrews to Greeks

[@saifurrehman5007]

They even change name to jesus.

[@kazkilla1]

Itachi wasn’t testing him in the last fight he was just trying to get orochimaru to show himself so he could get him out of sasuke.

[@arvinbrisson6606]

Cap

[@kazkilla1]

@@arvinbrisson6606 ?

[@arvinbrisson6606]

@@kazkilla1 he didn’t know he had the cures mark , he just really wanted to portray himself a a evil brother

[@hazelink]

@@arvinbrisson6606 He literally did. How else do you think he was certain that he could push Sasuke to the edge for him to be able to pass on the Mangekyo? Sasuke wouldn't have survived without the curse mark. Orochimaru was once part of Akatsuki and worked with Itachi. Besides, Sasuke himself showed the power once Itachi used Amaterasu, confirming his assumption.

[@BigMoneyChao]

@@arvinbrisson6606 nigga he literally did all that for orochimaru 😂 orochimaru even knew it was over when he got his w the Tosuka Blade

[@Blade57331]

27:14 "I fell like people didn't spoil us this cause no one gave a shit about Kaguya" Chris. You couldn't be more right...

[@OtherDude]

4:45 Fun fact: they got rid of Sasuke's black outfit because it took too long to draw all the time (specifically the rings around his arms). Except the rings aren't there in this flashback.

[@icarojose6316]

It sounds reasonable, I’ve heard the author invented the headband because drawing the googles was too complicated, and drawing is 70% of the job of a mangaka

[@Darkblender5]

I remember how pissed everyone was when this happened. In hindsight, Black Zetsu being the one to beat Madara is hilarious.

[@jalenellis3594]

I wouldn't say beat more like got played. He tricked and used everyone, all for the sake of bringing Kaguya back. Madara brought it on himself, trying desperately to change the world, only to crash and burn.

[@hotsauce6789]

Madara flew too close to the sun, or rather the moon.

[@bendover7841]

I thought it was a callback to when Madara mocks Tsunade for being a woman. He ultimately ends up getting bodied by a chick. Karma. Something he claims to have ended.

[@DoctorBoom.]

because this was the epitome of shit writing.

[@thetruth997_]

It kinda made sense too me when they started bringing up Kaguya as the progenitor of chakra, I knew she was gonna pop up just not like that 😂

[@onetom2222]

I still recall Navis promise from episode 142/145? she would lose her shit if Naruto would end up fighting aliens. We're here. I guess she accepted just leveling with the weird 😅

[@quentinjones6877]

You and me both remember that lol

[@acetraker1988]

Madara: *"I Win."* Black Zetsu: *"Hold up, you just activated my trap card."*

[@cpMetis]

I activate Last Turn! Every judge in a 10000 mile radius: *shudders*

[@meddios]

5:59. Since we know Itachi was a spy, here he relayed a message to Jiraya about Akatsukis goals without raising suspicion. Also there are theories that Itachi met Jiraya multiple times and relayed the info he had using tsukuyomi

[@Blade57331]

Fan theories.

[@mre4u422]

i did always wonder, if he is suppose to be spying on the akatsuki who exactly is he reporting the intel to

[@meddios]

@@mre4u422 Well Jiraya was infiltrating places on the regular, we see it when he investigated Pain

[@jackjohnson8305]

This was never confirmed stop spreading misinformation.

[@ComicCrossing]

@@mre4u422 Jiraiya supposedly had a large spy network which is part of what he was setting up in his travels. Couldve been him. Otherwise he likely reported directly to Sarutobi via some method we never saw. Maybe with a crow.

[@venomousteam1732]

Black zetsu was the one who manipulated Indra which causes the curse of hatred to be born also manipulated other reincarnates of Indra which was madara by changing the stone tablet. Saskue would've turned into madara if hashirama and the other hokages didn't talk to saskue

[@jucavelu]

Oh, it's Naruto, you're getting a backstory. Never worry about it.

[@theuncommonn00b12]

yeahh.. no joke 😂

[@snailmix]

The Kaguya backstory is kind of filler though, so I’m not sure if they’re gonna watch it. I really hope they do though, I don’t know why the origins of the Otsutsuki are even filler

[@theuncommonn00b12]

@@snailmix Its "filler" since it wasn't in the manga originally or something That'd suck if they didn't see it tho

[@mauricepitt2963]

I feel like itachi talked to Naruto here because when Naruto said sasuke is his brother Itachi was curious on how he would handle someone who revolted against the Leaf (The Uchiha) and if he would kill Sasuke (Itachi slaughters the clan for peace). Naruto’s answer made Itachi realize there was a better answer than the one he had placed

[@BhBc8f8]

Not really all Naruto said was "neither i would've found another way" which is either very powerful or very naive

[@WaketheFallen131]

“I didn’t think cheetahs would eat MY face!”- Madara, the leader of the “cheetahs eating peoples faces” clan

[@LEVPQR]

25:55 Suraj: *says you don't need an answer for everything like in Lost and AOT* Micky: You're just trying to defend Lost 🤣🤣

[@JCShadow0202]

27:24 Absolutely, he was the perfect villain. Great motivation, emotional backstory, years of buildup, genius, op as hell. You can’t compare him to Kaguya

[@random-commenter1700]

The past filler was everything Itachi showed Sasuke when he died and he said he won’t hide anything from Sasuke and no matter what Sasuke does from now he’ll always love him.

[@Multigameguy35]

Roger felt the same way about Kaguya, a refreshing change. What a surprise

[@bendover7841]

Only hardcore Madara stans and edgelords get mad. I was furious when I was 14. Now as an adult I love this twist.

[@bobsmartinez8283]

​@@bendover7841😂

[@amarnathcr7335]

Bruh same. Idk why it feels like an eternity with the war and Madara on screen. It's nice to see another villain lol.

[@rochetstrider8725]

Nah madara was way better

[@northernxdarkness]

That moment is weirdly one of the most important moments in the universe of Naruto, wich will play a lead roll in boruto.

[@Ajwad99]

It’s probably the most hated moment from the entire Naruto franchise besides that flying stab

[@pokimanefartcompilation]

@@Ajwad99 I still don't understand how people hate this scene. It's arguably the craziest plot twist in the whole show.

[@houseofaction]

don't even mention that shit series boruto

[@kwaaajohn9432]

Yeah Kaguya is literally the one that started Boruto 😂

[@icebox1954]

@@pokimanefartcompilation It's hated because it's stupid. It's like Dragon Ball series where Frieza is the strongest in the universe, no wait, Cell is stronger and Majin Buu is stronger than him, the weird alien cat is stronger than him and now we find out that there are actually 9 universes. It's all so damn idiotic. Kaguya could have been completely been cut out and the story would have been way better. She just feels like a last-minute villain for the sake of continuation or pathetic forced themes.

[@MarcMagma]

I absolutely love that Madara, the one who manipulated so much and thought he was always pulling the strings, ended up as a mere pawn in another's game. Such irony! Sure, seeing him and Team 7 brawl it out would have been epic. Also, while I prefer Kaguya character-wise, I do agree that Madara would have made for a better final villain just because he did so much manipulating. But I think having him ending up as a sacrificial lamb in another's game was a much better end for that arrogant prick than to go out in an epic final battle, probably with a bang. It sure made me laugh out loud and hard.

[@bobsmartinez8283]

😂

[@c3p6]

If you remember, Madara in his arrogance told Hashirama in their "final battle" that it was impossible to catch him from behind, and he did exactly that. And Zetsu took careful notes 🧠✍🏼

[@hotsauce6789]

Madara also said, "I'm the only one able to see through Hashirama's wood clones" Black Zetsu also revealed that Madara had casted Izanagi before he got stabbed by Hashirama. "WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND ONE, OHNOKI?" Madara didn't anticipate the second time his back was taken.

[@thc-thehiddenclout2263]

Madras said he severed the world karmic connection but then kaguya used her karma to revive aka black zetsu

[@arthurwatson2555]

It was also very karmic to subject him to that

[@thc-thehiddenclout2263]

@@arthurwatson2555 I don’t doubt kishi but he takes concepts from the past and contextualize it with new info. Black zetsu fits all the criteria for a karma very similar a black mark left behind for the purpose of reviving otsutsuki. The difference is zetsu is a living karma. Also how we see madara “create” black zetsu was to touch white zetsu and implant a black mark on half its body very similar to other karma. In conclusion black zetsu is a living karma does that mean kaguya has some extra powers or other otsutsuki don’t find it necessary to do that extra step

[@arthurwatson2555]

@@thc-thehiddenclout2263 I'm not trying to disprove the idea, but i also think it's funny that it's also a karmic end to Madara so it works on two levels

[@thc-thehiddenclout2263]

@@arthurwatson2555 I get what you’re saying in my opinion his karmic justice is him being stabbed in the back and used just like he used everyone else before him in my opinion that is Madara karmic justice the karma was black zetsu of course

[@hectormiranda1088]

26:23 Chris is actually right Like for the Otsutsukis this is just their life-style

[@susanmathew7802]

Kaguya is being used as well😂😂

[@articboy100]

I LOVED THIS TWIST! It felt very poetic to see Madara get bought down by his own shortcomings of not being able to perceive how twisted their reality was, in spite of constantly seeing how Madara was a step or two ahead of everyone at all times! A final fuck you from the reality that he for so long wanted to sever everyone from. On top of that Kaguya is very cool, she just gives you the chills. Looking forward to seeing the final few reactions of Naruto Shippuden from you all :')

[@sagespaceghost2413]

The best take. The last line of your first paragraph is the best take.

[@SuperStationCr1]

Same

[@swapnilchaturvedi4976]

Yup madara always thought that it is his game from the start but karma strikes him back

[@thanosrogers3050]

lol my brother say that he started losing interest in naruto when obito become 10 tails , and i kinda agree from there i think things just got way too much overpowered , still thinks pain arc is the best one....and pain give the chills , like he looks , acts and do things like final boss.....kaguya is just....out of ideas thing lol.

[@liltoshiro]

That's why you don't break anime rules & attack while the Villain charging up/changing forms

[@arthurwatson2555]

All things considered, I like that they don't straight up hate on this turn with Kaguya and Zetsu, I've been seeing that quite a lot and I have been disagreeing, so this is pretty refreshing, actually

[@jamaalgaylord5029]

Ya unfortunately ppl loved madara way to much

[@rochetstrider8725]

Refreshing my ass

[@delix787]

Back in the day. People were trying to figure out what actually happened. 1. Kishimoto wrote him self into a hole and couldn’t beat Madara! So Kaguya happend! 2. He planned for Kaguya but was having too much fun with both Obito and Madara, and was running out of time so he introduced Kaguya at the last minute. Which is probably why she barely has any personality.. 3. Kaguya needed to happen for business reasons for Boruto! Without her there is (NO) sequel! Kishimoto wanted to retire but shonen jump wanted more storytelling! At first he refused but. He gave his work to his long friend (Mikio Ikemoto) Who apparently was having a hard time with getting published in Shonen jump! So Kishimoto was being nice, so he gave his work to his friend so he had something to prove to the company! 4. Kishimoto till this day has not completely opened up about The Madara/Kaguya twist. And I’m afraid we shall never know the actual truth what went wrong. 5. Kishimoto said during the last remaining chapters of Naruto he had a hard time drawing with his health!! It was declining and the fans started to realize things were rushing very hard… Which is why Kaguya Felt like a cool concept but was executed poorly.

[@kenzie_p6231]

I am soooo happy you guys loved this twist some people didn’t care for it I am so glad I ain’t the only one who fucks with it 😂 FINALY!!!!!!!

[@user-jg5qx7eg8i]

11:03 Madara won the war, he planned things out to where he’d be resurrected, didn’t go as planned cause someone else was doing it, but when he came back he brought himself back to life and re captured all the tailed beasts himself while blind and launched the infinite tsukynomi. He won the war he started🏆

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

I agree with everything you guys said about Kaguya and Madara. I'm glad that you enjoyed this development because I *_absolutely_* did too. Kaguya and Black Zetsu are probably my two favourite Naruto villains. Talk about one of the biggest long-con evil plans in anime history. I look forward to seeing your reaction to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki's backstory.

[@toberszn7112]

Bro don’t act like she didn’t ruin shippuden

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

​@@toberszn7112 I don't care what anyone says, but the whole Kaguya and Black Zetsu thing is probably my favourite thing about Naruto ever. I do love my pure evil, manipulative, overarching villains, and so I really enjoyed those two and their stories. So if anything, for me personally, Kaguya made Shippuden that much better.

[@SuperStationCr1]

@@toberszn7112 Getting rid of Madara isn't ruining shippuden if it wasn't for Kaguya and Black Zetsu Naruto would've ended ages ago and wouldn't have had the woof moments it had originally

[@theuncommonn00b12]

I think the whole Shinobi comes from Kaguya thing is cool

[@kleatise52]

Them being your favorite villains is your right but wow they have no style whatsoever compared to zabuza or pain

[@HeatKingMedia]

Kaguya was foreshadowed for ages in subtle ways near the very end of the series. 01) First Reference was the Kaguya Clan all the way back in Naruto Part 1. It was nothing then but becomes later on because of something else. 02) Its revealed the Gendo Stature came from the Moon. In Japanese folklore Kaguya comes from the Moon. 03) The Ten Tails recognises the Six Paths Power inside Naruto and directly tries to attack him as if it remembers him hinting at a conciousness inside the supposed mindless beast. 04) During the Madara Backstory, young Madara and Hashirama see a dead body floating in the river from the Hagoroma Clan. Later on we learn the Six Paths name is literally Hagoroma revealing that old clans were named after real people in the older days meaning the Kaguya Clan had to have been named after a actual person called Kaguya as well. 05) Madara makes it clear he can't pee when someone stands behind him. Its a clear weakness of his. 06) Hashirama literally kills Madara by stabbing him in the back showing that Madara never minded his surroundings and because he generally didn't think Hashirama would ever do that. Now its established that Madara is cocky and thinks the people who are or where his allies would never stab him in the back. Its a lesson he didn't learn from as we see later. 07) When Obito takes the Ten Tails into himself, its the Ten Tails fighting for control and it speaking once or twice at the characters, questioning things and trying to understand whilst its trying to fight back against Obito's control. Again, showcases its not a mindless creature and that its more than a simple beast. 08) The Great Tree is unleashed and Madara starts dishing out the history lessons about Kaguya to Hashirama, setting her character up for a potential future appearance. 09) When the Sage of Six Paths is finally introduced he reveals how Madara is getting closer to Kaguya's Power. At this point its pretty obvious what's being set up now and that Kaguya has to be making some kind of appearance. 10) The Tree talks to Madara and tells him to take it all in. At this point its obvious its the Ten Tails/Kaguya talking to him (I guess Sub-Titles spoiled that?) and its pretty clear Madara is going to bec possessed and Kaguya will emerge somehow. 11) Black Zetzu/Zetzu is also literally the first proper villain you see at the very end of the final battle in Naruto Part 1. Not Madara and at the time we didn't even know the stature was him and we only got glimpses of Pain's Reninigan eyes at the end. 12) Madara literally gets stabbed in the back, AGAIN via the being he thought he created and could trust, using the body of the boy he manipulated and used himself. Its poetic as hell and and justice really for all the times Madara manipulated others and never grew up from learning from his mistakes. The way the death, reveal and resurrection was done was masterful when you actually look at it properly and understand the symbolism of Madara's cockiness yet again getting the better of him. 13) There needed to be a final obstacle to overcome because Madara could not be TNJ no matter what and the Infinite Dream wasn't pure evil. He actually won. The story needed to develop in a way that would reveal the Infinite Dream was NOT good and Madara needed to be brought down in a way that he would realize he was utterly wrong and focus the story on who started the series in the first place which was Team 7 reunited and working together against a threat thats essentially a Force of Nature. Not good or evil really. But a Force of utter power. Kaguya is also essentiallly both the God and Devil of the Naruto Universe so its fitting.

[@sarathmadhu]

20:10 I get your point Chris but there is also one thing left out. This inevitably makes Madara an unbeatable villain. Rather than giving the protagonist a final victory they just removed Madara entirely, while past 100 episodes where him wiping the floor with all these MCs(even after power-ups and handouts). So its a nice change yes, but it just creates a undefeated antagonist.

[@thextraordinary7597]

Finally, The Otsutsuki 🔥

[@mre4u422]

to clear things up a bit Kaguya was using Madara who in turn was using Obito who was using Pain/Nagato who in turn was using the Akatsuki

[@quentinjones6877]

I remember seeing a meme on Facebook of Pain having a rifle pointed at him by Obito then a rifle pointed at Obito by Madara then a rifle pointed at him by Kaguya lol

[@_Woody_]

For me, this is the moment it all goes downhill. But I respect anybody who can have fun with this still.

[@observantwonderer7401]

6:34 *Suraj I too LOVE the way Yuri Lowethal (Sasuke) Says Narutos name!* Yuri actually makes an effort to pronounce Japanese names or words with the right accent, he doesn't Americanize the words like most of the other voice actors (and fans) do, like he doesn't Narudo he says NA-RRUU _TO_ and it just makes him and Sasuke that much cooler for it! Especially since Sasuke (and the Uchiha clan) is supposed to be and represent _proper_ Japanse looks/ethnicity and culture thats why they made a point of making Uchihas have dark hair and dark eyes! So having an English voice actor with a cool, sexy and unique voice that pays attention to details with pronouncements makes Sasuke that much more special And why Yuri is PERFECT as Sasukes eveb more so than sub ,Yeah I SAID IT definitely an area were Dub beats sub is Sasuke dub voice (...and Madara, Pein, Gai, Itachi, Lee and Tenten sorry not sorry) ....And I love it I ship sasunaru and the way Sasuke says Narutos name is really cool cause he emphasied it its ,unique and special 😍🥰 EVERY TIME he says it just Aaaah-

[@kamadothorfinn8166]

huh

[@SuperStationCr1]

She is reborn, reincarnated. She who is the Rabbit goddess, the rabbit demon, who is the mother of all chakra and of Hgagromo, Hamura, and Black Zetsu. The creator of the Naruto world as we know it, she's come to reclaim what is rightfully hers. She is...Princess Kaguya Otsutsuki

[@houseofaction]

all humans already had chakra, buruto explains it that the otsutsuki go from planet to planet planting a baby juubi which feeds on the life force, chakra and natural energies of a planet until it fully grows into a shinju and sprouts a fruit made from those energies

[@SuperStationCr1]

@@houseofaction yea I know but it's thanks to her things like ninshu, ninjutsu, genjustu, kekkei genkai, kekei tota, dojustu, and basically all justu exist on earth

[@reaperandyel]

The whole storyline is just Kaguya's family feud.

[@juchiha8113]

9:08 Itachi definitely gave the fight to sasuke, it was to push sasuke to the limit to force out orochimaru's chakra from him and seeing as he didn't take the route of killing naruto to obtain the mangekyou, dying to sasuke and awakening that in him was another bonus. Also Itachi had developed a disease that was continuously plaguing him which was why he was coughing up blood in the fight, he basically held on to die in this fight to give sasuke power

[@thatsensei_guy6580]

Puppet strings ... Kaguya ➡️ black zetzu ➡️ madara ➡️ obito➡️Nagato... But truly madara as most great written villian, had the right intention and purpose, wrong execution

[@larrylee405]

They’ll soon find out why some people hate this part of the war arc

[@SuperStationCr1]

People say Kaguya was the problem but it was really some other characters faults (also filler)

[@larrylee405]

@@SuperStationCr1 you could also include lazy writing towards the end too. It was a lot they could’ve done better tbh

[@SuperStationCr1]

@@larrylee405 yea I remember hearing that at that point Kishimoto was seriously stressed out I mean it's the end of his series and he has to do it right that also why they took a long break to animate the last fight of Shippuden so long in fact that CC2 who made storm 4 animated the last fight in the story for Shippuden before the anime did

[@nicholasstaker]

Anyone in the comments reading Yangchen? I still need to get it, hope it's good I loved the Kyoshi books.

[@alexanderalexander7599]

All akatski was used by Pain/Nagato nagato being used by Obito Obito being used Madara Madara being used by black zetsu Just to collect all that chackra of Kaguya.. Damn..

[@sexcannonmusic284]

And this is where my mind just fucking exploded, it couldn't handle a plot twist within a plot twist within a plot twist.

[@faltu47]

maturity is when you realize kaguya was not pure evil

[@TheHiddenShadowz]

No... she is. She wasn't always but she definitely became pure evil and not good at all.

[@zodiyac]

she is lol

[@icebox1954]

@@TheHiddenShadowz She wasn't, as pure evil is a childish fictitious concept in the first place. Anyone and no one is evil depending on arbitrary standards of individuals. If anything can be that thing, then nothing can truly be that thing.

[@TheHiddenShadowz]

@@icebox1954 It's incredible how stupid you are and then you're calling me childish on top of your absolutely stupid interpretation of what evil is or isn't... Also you sound even more stupid saying, "that thing" when you could just simply say "pure evil" since that's what we're talking about. 🤦🏻‍♂️ You're an idiot trying very hard to look smart. If anything is "that thing" (pure evil) then that would mean something is pure evil and something can't be nothing you stupid fool.

[@faltu47]

@@TheHiddenShadowz she was preparing the zetsu army to protect her from the otsutsukis, pure evil means commiting the act of evil as if it's your nature , she was far better than other otsutsukis

[@lophuoc9071]

SOOO basically to summarize Pain : I'm going to make people thinks I am the mastermind Obito : I'm going to start this whole man career Madara : I'm going plan these two whole man career Black Zetsu : B*tch you thought !

[@Nasiruify]

It was at this point I think masashi didn’t know where this was heading

[@quentinjones6877]

Right

[@dennis2667]

Boruto was already announced her And the last

[@efrenarevalo2025]

Wow. Surely there is no more a mastermind behind Kaguya, right? RIGHT!?

[@SuperStationCr1]

Right

[@Blade57331]

Well, as far as original manga went. Yes. Untill Boruto came...

[@theuncommonn00b12]

@@Blade57331 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@Blade57331]

@@theuncommonn00b12 No arguments? Good. stay silent.

[@theuncommonn00b12]

@@Blade57331 Wait what. my boi u sound tight

[@WatchItWithFuture]

Only thing that could stop madara was Plot 😂😂😂

[@cherrygrabber7172]

Black Zetsu making some revisions into the Uchiha Tablet reminds me of a similar thing in Skyrim: Dawnguard. The one with the Snow Elf who made up the prophecy about using a bow to block the Sun forever for another vampire villain, Harkon, to pick up and do their bidding.

[@Coreyy12]

I never realized during Itachi and Naruto’s interaction, Itachi basically gave Naruto the exact same scenario he dealt with. Like Naruto giving Itachi the answer he gave Itachi was proof that things could’ve possibly gone differently had he had maybe a slightly different thought

[@kuramamastah5270]

Now after this i can't cease to picture the meme of all Naruto villains just puppettering each other (with Itachi up above them")

[@millobillo1140]

“Sir you’ve been lied too”😂😂😂

[@drosims7993]

Everybody hates that this happened with madara…but I actually like it. We seen enough of madara at this point and to see him getting played at the end was a good endgame for him. Plus I LOVE kaguya’s theme…it’s so menacing.

[@Niitroxyde]

Not everybody, no. Madara fans are just more vocal than the others who just silently appreciate.

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@Niitroxyde It's not a case of Madara fans genius. PLENTY of people thought the Kaguya asspull was dumb

[@Niitroxyde]

@@FrostbiteDigital According to what metric ?

[@Mrryn]

I just find it amazing that we're really in the endgame now when it comes to Naruto...honestly can't wait for the finale And of course, The Last. Which has to happen, it's the perfect bookend.

[@mohmedhassan6875]

I don't get why people hate on this twist i really like it from many eps we knew that every chakra drop was going back to its original source and madara just collected it and hand it to kaguya Every thing about madara at this point is another version of kaguya (chakra wise) the only missing part to be exactly kaguya is the thing that she lost before being sealed wich is black zetsu and in this moment black zetsu merged with madara

[@AmericanIlluminati]

Man I REALLY wish you guys would've watched the sage of 6paths fillers before going down this road, but here you are anyway I suppose.

[@AmericanIlluminati]

@@Kaiser_MHA They are, literally right after this. I just think it's less jarring to watching them first, but honestly they didn't seem to find Kaguya jarring at all. So, I guess it doesn't really matter.

[@neardarkroad1347]

if you don't mind a mild spoiler, the worm in AoT can be understood as a mere "wish granting being". It grants wishes of those connected to it. Sadly, that wish fulfillment only goes to the limit of the connected people's mind. Essentially, its like a well functioning Holy Grail from Fate universe. Only it doesn't require over complicated rituals to be used.

[@herigera4307]

This is probably the most controversial episode of all Shonen. Many hated him, many others loved him.

[@Novafan]

As much as I love Naruto, a lot of the plot twists are just bad. Theres 0-very little foreshadowing or hints at the plot twists which is what makes them good, for Naruto's plot twists, they put all the foreshadowing and hints in the explanation as opposed to in the actual story.

[@BeissZang]

Plottwist no jutsu! Release!

[@omegablaze8008]

Can't wait for the next episode! 🤫

[@eloyjaimes9562]

I watched this episode before watching Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. Black Zetsu always reminded me of the black creature from Brotherhood. They had a plan in play for decades.

[@devrimtacyildiz9087]

Yeah from finally you guys start with the greatest story ever told

[@josearroyo8008]

Rana left the village she's on a S rank mission.

[@ILikeCHEEZ9]

I think kaguya isn't spoken about becasue she's only in the end of shippuden. The entirety of chippuden has been akatsuki and our main characters for 500 episodes, and in real time years and years of build up. It's so much easier to be attached and complain about the end of a character that's been built for years as opposed to the rabbit on the moon who popped up and leads to...things. Thosze things may also be a reason but no spoilers here. And sidenote: The random woman with Jiraya was under a genjutsu to distract him to keep him away from naruto and yes Itachi allowed sasuke to beat him because that was the plan

[@kampfkanickel5784]

kaguya was arguably forshadowed since the beginning of classic

[@zenith6957]

@Kampf Kanickel source dude just trust me

[@subbusasukegokusbps1651]

She was foreshadowed sir in the original Naruto series. It was mentioned when Kimimaro was introduced. He was from the clan called Kaguya clan. It was not a mere coincidence, lemme tell you, see the eye brow shape of their clansmen, it looks just like that of the eyebrows of Kaguya As a matter of fact, Kimimaro's bone technique is due to him being a far descendant of Kaguya ask she has a superior level Ash bone technique. So it was foreshadowed. Also if you did observe even Hagoromo clan was mentioned way before we got Hagoromo's backstory, somewhere around episode 370 - 372 of Shippuden when Hashirama was telling his backstory to Sasuke, we see a scene where kid Hashirama and kid Madara were talking to each other without mentioning each other's end name. And suddenly Hashirama sees a dead body floating on water and he says it's HAGOROMO CLAN... They sort of teamed up on the side of Uchihas to get rid of Senjus if I am not wrong... So these were not random inclusions but actually foreshadowing. It was supposed to be a suspense and hence it did till the last part of the series. Kaguya as a matter of fact was even mentioned by Hagoromo right when he was speaking to Sasuke and Naruto too... So ya that's what I wanted to say 😇

[@kamadothorfinn8166]

@@kampfkanickel5784 Specifically Kaguya was not but an Otsutsuki ,yes was foreshadowed with Kimimaro so I'd agree with you.

[@Music-xp5wg]

The story doesn't make sense without Kaguya. Why would 6 paths inscribe on the Uchiha stone tablet that they need to do the infinite tskuyomi when he himself doesn't want it and was the one who cancelled it... Someone else has to have written it.

[@stonefaceBRC]

Did anyone else notice how Madara was getting bigger?

[@SSJNeV]

Hate what they did with Madara, they made him so strong that they didn't know what to do with him anymore so they just discarded him, awful decision on their part in my honest opinion, just imagine how amazing that fight would've been, nah instead we got Kaguya.

[@hotsauce6789]

I bet you're a Dragonball fan XD This end respects Madara as a character, not just as an OP character.

[@donis222]

The layers to who controlled who is crazy. Kaguya -> Zetsu -> Madara -> Obito -> Nagato -> Pain -> Akatsuki

[@TakorraX]

It's sad cause Madara is the hero in his own story, he succeeded and made a peaceful world and gave everyone perfect dreams to live. If only Black Zetsu was dealt with right after his plan most likely would've succeeded. This part is headcannon but after he would beat Team 7 he would see the chakra in the tree changing and making people White Zetsu then either alter or just cancel the jutsu outright. Too bad Kishimoto made Madara too strong so he had to do that to deal with him.

[@neardarkroad1347]

@@Kaiser_MHA god damn. Every manga fandom loves to make their own headcanon author's statement huh

[@quentinjones6877]

@@Kaiser_MHA I can agree to that

[@Omkar529]

@@Kaiser_MHA Nah man for e.g. I know for a fact that Kishimoto killed off that Chuunin exam proctor from Part I because he would have solo'd the entire villain cast of the series and there wouldn't have been a story to write. It's a well known fact.

[@TakorraX]

@@Kaiser_MHA Yeah it would've made much more sense to just have Naruto and Sasuke get amps and seal Madara but instead Kaguya happened and then we have the whole thing with (and I'm trying to avoid spoilers) Sakura and Kakashi getting mid fight plot amps to help. Fitting the narrative perfectly is debatable, there's a reason most fans look at that plot twist with disdain.

[@playpundit4431]

Damn so a member of the Akatski (like Itachi) was working for < Pain who worked for < Obito who worked for < Madara who worked for < Black Zetsu who worked for < KAGUYA!?!?

[@billygriffitts8084]

Kaguya is being used by Masashi Kishimoto

[@bobsmartinez8283]

And kishimoto was being use by shonen jump

[@tyronebatana9902]

In the end Itachi really wasnt a bad guy he's a secret hero of the Hidden Leaf and only a few people know it Hiruzen and Naruto. It was nice to hear him say he'll love his lil brother forever and always give him a hug and see his real eyes as he flies to the light. It's kinda funny Madara got used even more by Black Zetsu than he used Obito. Never thought we'd see Kaguya live and in person

[@Bepractical1995]

actually kaguya is not evil. she cut their threads with her clan and try to kill his partner (i dont want to spoil her partner name). her clan members are more wrost and evil even she is not from clan warrior class his partner are real tough 😀

[@Iconic_Zoot]

I agree with Chris at the end, I was getting sick of Madara, and I think Madara being just another pawn is a theme calling back to the very beginning of the series, and one of it's main themes of people being tools to others and trying to change that. Zetsu literally calls Madara out for his hubris in using others despite being just another pawn outright to make the symbolism clear, and people still complain about it like it doesn't make sense. Especially kind of rewatching the series through your videos, these things were foreshadowed long ago, and people seem to either not realize that, or just ignore it. The end of the series doesn't get enough credit for how much of it was actually foreshadowed and not out of nowhere.

[@MeyRysterio17]

Bruh when madara lost his sight and took his brothers eyes they were still the same age. Itachi awakened his mangekyo when sauske was a child, and never replaced them all them years up until when they fought. That man was sick, and blind beyond belief. He did give sauske a test as well as getting rid of orochimaru’s cells, but wanted him to prevail over him in the end.

[@mrrd4444]

I think some of the criticisms are valid but I also think a lot of people missed the narrative importance of Kaguya because they didn't realise how much of Naruto is based on Japanese folk tales, with Kaguya being the main character of Japan's OLDEST folktale. It's like if you had a bunch of humans and angels fighting and God showed up, it's kind of just an expectation for the story. But since a lot of people internationally didn't get the context they think she just "came out of nowhere" when in reality she's been something of a looming presence both in the world of Naruto and in a meta standpoint.

[@laxus9451]

kinda feel sad for madara, this showed he really did want his own version of peace cuz he would have never wanted to create white zetsus out of the ppl

[@yashwantchoudhari2080]

And what he did to rin and obito was that justified no never

[@bendover7841]

@@yashwantchoudhari2080 "f*ck them kids" - Madara Uchiha

[@Mikael_Puusaari]

Itachi wasn't just seeing how far Sasuke could go, he planned the entire fight to drain Sasuke off his chakra so that he would have to rely on Orochimarus chakra for him to emerge, so that Itachi could free Sasuke from it :) Anyway, if u want to know where this thing sticking itself to humans like that, u need to watch the movie "Futurama: The Beast with a Billion Backs", pretty sure that is the explanation 🤣 Oh, and I might be one of the very few that loved the idea of even Madara being used.. there is something nice to think that all evil people who use others for their own gain have some1 else using them 😜

[@Robo34]

i made a tournament for ninja storm 3 full burst 3 times with ALL the charatcers . 1` vs 1 two rounds . pc (computers) vs pc (computes) and the top characters in my tournament was : Itachi , Hanzo, Jugo, Suigetsu. Itachi was the champion in all 3 maybe , 1 time was not the cmapion, but was in top 4 ;)

[@aligmal5031]

nagato played pain obito played nagato madara played obito black zetsu played madara kaguya played black zetsu

[@BusoRockin1000]

Black Setsuna with the Uno Reverse!

[@ghostspider2056]

Sasuke < Orochimaru < Pain < Obito < Madara < Black Zetsu < Kaguya < ???

[@LamirLakantry]

Some of my favorite battle music from the show is coming up soon. XD

[@mrwatermelo50]

And that Episode we went to ALIESNS

[@EstebanBrenesV]

or continued with shintoism cratures and lore? kaguya is the same level as tsukuyomi, izanami, fuujin and raijinn all of which are powers, an/or has an involvement and representation in the naruto lore. alo the moon is not alien is a part of our planet, that until this point was treated as such and an important part of the plot and nobody cared, but hey peple get switched and dont like it so lets call it names for the sake of donplaying the mov that surprised us and we didnt like.

[@kamadothorfinn8166]

You mean the episode where Obito transformed?

[@Zero-sj1dy]

Since Black Zetsu did that to Madara, the anime and manga went to hell with the Otsutsuki aliens

[@kuramamastah5270]

1:50 Yup, legiterally i tend to FC bosses but the storyline is like "well done, here some bruises" and just make me watch how my ninja druh gets his arm cut off

[@2oshow]

Never understood why people hated this.

[@bobsmartinez8283]

😪

[@Manmohan2507]

Madara the character was so strong even kishimoto doesn't have any idea how to kill him... He knows Naruto and Sasuke can never win against Madara also he proved to Madara that "Karma is a "Beach"😜

[@fate30]

where is your source for that? sasuke sliced madara in half

[@tennoyamamoto1800]

21:01 how many years since the first great ninja war you ask? Dazo and the 3rd Hokage fought in the first great ninja war, Tsunade, Jiraya and Orochimaru were children during that time, that's 4 Wars in 50-60 years

[@chandlermorgan708]

Black zetsu planned this entire time

[@elsrdelgaro]

Black Zetsu is the definition of shinobi

[@variyaheard4737]

You guys are probably confused on whether whole black zetsu thing because you weren’t around when they dropped these episodes. The creator of Naruto didn’t know how to kill off madara because he was so overpowered not only that this was around the time his father had past away. So kaguya was a way to end madara

[@evolll]

Itachi was 20-21 years old when he died 🤧

[@tythegreatttg]

It's pretty ironic that the only time Madara loses is when someone stab him in the back. No wonder his susano has 2 faces one in front and one looking behind.

[@user-jg5qx7eg8i]

Idc what anyone says. Madara won. Although Kaguya popped up in the end, Madara’s goal was to launch the infinite tsukynomi and he did. Also Kishimoto at some point admitted he didn’t know how to stop Madara with anything else other than Kaguya, so he said black zetsu’s betrayal was the *only* way

[@drakethesnek6429]

"LOOK, HE'S GETTING BIGGER!"

[@quintonevans6948]

Kaguya's name was dropped before Madara's in the og series.

[@piy5618]

Guys, is there a longer/complete track of the mix in the end?

[@leguan278]

Well fuck, i forgot how terrible this twist was…

[@jasonginnard3712]

The creator didn't really know how to stop Madara

[@fate30]

source for that?

[@jasonginnard3712]

@@fate30 I can't remember which one but Kishimoto said it in an interview

[@fate30]

@@jasonginnard3712 then it doesn't exist

[@jasonginnard3712]

@@fate30 it does exist because the author who wrote the story and character said he didn't know how to stop him after he became three eyed Madara, and by the logic through how the powers work in the series you can't honestly tell me that what happened was a thing Kishimoto used to pull Kaguya out, it made no sense for Zetsu to just stab Madara from behind when Madara at this point in the story was easily the most powerful character in the series

[@blitzshadow9148]

​@@jasonginnard3712that doesn't make any sense. If kishimoto didn't know how to get rid of madara. Then why is kaguya more powerful than madara?