GEORGE R R MARTIN SLAMS HOUSE OF THE DRAGON & WRITERS

[@NassersReviews]

George has now deleted his blog post entirely. Seems like HBO reached out to him. Yikes!

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Uhhh is there a saved version?

[@NassersReviews]

@@jazwhoaskedforthisyou can find an archived version on google and reddit, and screenshots are all over twitter (or x)

[@skybear3160]

Tbf spoiling the 3rd season isn't a big deal. The dumpster fire finalie of season 2 didn't leave anyone holding their breath for the next season.

[@lelianarochefort3077]

Considering the last time the writers stray away from the books and we've got sh*t show of GOT seson 6-8, George reaction is very understandable.

[@courtneylane7639]

Yep. Even though eventually they ran out of source material, it was still a disaster. You start taking creative liberties with someone else's intellectual property and you get the mess we got in s8. An I don't think the GoT universe has room for anymore mistakes or we can kiss more live action adaptations goodbye. Would you watch if they fuck this show up too. Knowing full well they have 100% of this story. I wouldn't. Let us pray the mother be merciful and the ship gets turned around for the better😂

[@Nalhirrim]

GEORGE THE BASED

[@EdgarStyles1234]

George the unfinished

[@ApolloSol_101]

He still hasn't finished the books

[@singstreetcar5881]

They are scared of portraying women in a bad light. This is why they softened blood and cheese scene, to protect rhaenyra good ruler image

[@k--music]

No, it's because they didn't want to spend money hiring another child actor and the other decisions rippled from there

[@acs7167]

@@k--music that is a stupid excuse they had the budget to do that stupid whitewalker bloodraven sequence. They only didnt do it because the show is too soft they dont even show blood or nudity anymore unless ofcourse its a mans penis makes me wonder if this show was written by a writer who is prejudiced against men because of their own sexual preferences🤔

[@Male_Ficent]

​@@k--musicyounger Luke could have played Jaehaerys temporarily since he's gonna die anyway and have Jaehaerys' kid actor play Maelor instead.

[@ilbb7055]

That's the thing, Rhaenyra was never a good ruler, she was a horrible and incompetent tyrant at the point she was mocked as second coming of Maegor and peasants rioted against her. They shouldn't never portrayed the Dance on tv series if they wanted a female good ruler.

[@icechoc]

​@ilbb7055 - this just isn't true though as the sources that say this are pro team green and pro Hightower. Rhaenyra did what that was tyrant behaviour? Tyland took all the money leaving King's Landing with nothing. Aegon is said to be an alleged rapist but somehow Rhaenyra is worse because she raised taxes? She had nothing to do with Blood and Cheese.

[@THOU713]

GRRM had to stand up for his life work because they are destroying it

[@AWSVids]

It seems to me that the problem is Condal and co. don't want to let the story be as brutal and depressing as GRRM meant it to be. They're trying to lighten things up, balance out the darkness, make Rhaenyra and Alicent more likeable sympathetic characters who don't want war, etc... I think this is all the result of the backlash against not just Game of Thrones, but all major franchise properties lately that have tried to do something more subversive, more unconventional in terms of heroes being good, etc... the Dany fans reacted horribly to Danaerys being turned into an unsympathetic warmongering villain... Star Wars fans reacted horribly to Luke being made more complex and cynical... and now artists are seemingly feeling like they need to walk on eggshells with audiences, trying desperately not to do anything that makes the show too unpalatable to a mainstream audience. Not wanting to depress them or shock them too much. Not wanting Rhaenyra to disappoint the fans that wanted a feminist hero in Danaerys, so they're trying to make Rhaenyra into what people wanted Dany to become, so when she wins the throne, it'll satisfy the people who were disappointed by Season 8. And in trying to do all that, they try to please everybody, but end up pleasing almost nobody. The show ends up becoming relatively bland, because they've lost the courage to do the kind of shocking, bold, unconventional storytelling that George's writing is all about. They end up wanting to remove or water down the more brutal and tragic parts of the story. They've made Rhaenyra frustratingly passive through their attempts to insulate her from any of the wrongdoing on her side. Same with Alicent by making her only push for Aegon's claim due to a misunderstanding or having no agency otherwise. They made Daemon less directly/obviously responsible for instructing Blood & Cheese to kill children, in order to not make him too unlikable. They changed Blood & Cheese simply to make it less brutal and less intentionally cruel on Blood & Cheese's part, making the whole thing seem more like a mix-up/mistake. They probably want to get rid of Maelor's whole death storyline, because it's an easy way to get rid of something really shocking and brutal that might make people feel like this story is just nothing but tragedy and depressing shit with unlikable characters (I think they're trying to make us like the common folk more too, so having them tear apart an infant would be too unlikable... might not even have them kill dragons at all... maybe killing off Sunfyre [gradually, off-screen?] was the beginning of how they'll have the dragons dying instead). Have to keep Halaena's suicide, but doing it without another immediately preceding tragedy might soften the blow, I guess. Again, I feel like this is because of the backlash to Game of Thrones not being the positive ending for Danaerys that people wanted, or for Jon not becoming King, or whatever their fairy-tale hopes were for the ending that would make all the tragedy worth it by the end. With House of the Dragon, as written in Fire & Blood... it would be even more tragic and depressing than Game of Thrones' ending was. I think they're scared to do that, expecting that people would walk away from the ending of the show with even more bitter feelings of disappointment than they did with Season 8. They're probably wanting to change it to something more middling and cushioned in impact, so that there'll be some positive silver-lining... or that it just won't be as brutal or shocking in how they do it. They seem to want to do "House of the Dragon!!!" yay! Targaryens! Dragons! Cool, eh? But _we really really want you to like the characters still and not be disappointed or too shocked or depressed_... ... They don't want to do "The Dying of the Dragons", like it is in the book. I remember when season 1 began, and a lot of people were kinda like, "I don't know... Do I want to go back to Game of Thrones after it hurt me so?"... and I was feeling back then that these kind of people are not gonna like how House of the Dragon plays out, if it sticks to the book. It's a depressing tragic story of the end of the Targaryen heyday, with "The Dying of the Dragons" being the unofficial name for it, besides "The Dance of the Dragons". And yet, people were lightening up when they saw the show had a bunch of new colorful dragons for them to adore, and Rhaenyra is a badass characer played awesomely by Milly Alcock and Emma D'Arcy... I was just like, "Oh no... these people are setting themselves up for disappointment again." ... It seems that Ryan Condal and crew felt the same. But instead of having the fortitude to just plow forward and say "Fuck the softies that won't be able to handle this story as it's meant to be." .... they've gone the route of trying to soften the blow and cater to the softies, prioritizing the show's mainstream appeal over book-faithfulness or bold storytelling. And that's where all these problems seem to be stemming from.

[@singstreetcar5881]

Why was alicent sleeping with christine cole? Why was rhaenyra kissing myseria? Why did alicent betraying her own sons?

[@AerysIIFirstofhisname]

The changes from the books are so much worse mostly that’s the problem.

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

I feel for George. He must be absolutely fuming for him to go full nuclear like this. Condal and Hess have absolute ruined everything and I will not bother watching the rest of it.

[@acs7167]

Genuine. Crazy how so many people still somehow defend this literal crap but well people are restarted

[@10bunks12]

Stick to the books. HBO thought all these books were good enough to make into a show. Yet they have made and are making so many changes. Bad Changes. That it’s really not even the same story. Just stick to the books. We seen GOT crash and Burn already. And so far Season 2 is already crashing and Burning. Stick to the books. But looks like it’s already to late. Forget the shows. Just go read the books everyone. They are 1000 X better.

[@88vfw]

George should to stick the books as well. I would love for him to finish the entire series, at least Winds of Winter. Yes, he is entitled to have opinions about the HBO series that is based on his work.

[@10bunks12]

@@88vfw 💯. Winds is over due at this point. Says he’s 75 % done. Put out what you have. Come on. Something

[@grey8931]

@@10bunks1275% was yrs ago

[@88vfw]

@@10bunks12 Exactly! At least, put something out for the audience. Or, if he lost interest in completing the series, then just say that you are and stop dangling this hope to his fans that they're gonna get a book sometime soon. I think he is unable to complete the series and is procrastinating by focusing on the HBO series and other side projects. I get it, I do that too in my own writing for school.

[@marcos-ll2yr]

Martin is traumatized by D&D decisions in the last seasons of GOT. So i think he had enough and was disappointed with season 2 and have to say something he is frustrated with Hollywood adaptations he already said about this previously

[@singstreetcar5881]

Criston Cole is gonna push healena off the balcony. Lol

[@davidebasile9422]

the blog post has been removed

[@WilliamRussell314]

Oh shit really? Hahahaha

[@marcos-ll2yr]

Of course probably was HBO mad with him😂

[@AerysIIFirstofhisname]

I hope he goes after David and Dan now, Condal and Sara Hess deserve it for ruining my boy Criston Cole.

[@youknowwho1732]

I dont’ know if this scares me or makes me hopeful…like Ryan WILL know about this post (and may contact George) so maybe he’ll decide to change his initial plan ? I can’t really see them continuing to go as plan with this post and the (possibly growing) anger and online discourse ??

[@jamesnewman8011]

I read the book after watching second episode of season 2 and have only been able to handle 1 episode since then. I understand making some small changes here and there, but they seem like they just want to set a different course altogether. People defend the show because the book's story has multiple narrators so, "Nothing is canon".

[@Zero_2500]

Sounds like after the success of Season 1 Ryan thought that he was just as talented as GRRM and could write a season with Sara Hess that was better than the source material. Oops. Stick to the books Ryan. You are adapting ANOTHER writer’s story for a reason. If you were really a creative powerhouse this would be your IP on the screen. Funny how the only original shows anyone watches on HBO are from GRRM but yet the executives over there think they are better storytellers than George, even after the Season 8 disaster. Keep thinking that HBO & WB - there is a reason why your studio has the most debt in the entire industry.

[@mikebmade-it]

I’m honestly sick of GRRM at this point. He makes valid points but then a few months back he proclaimed “I will NOT be going to the writers meeting for HoTD season 3.” I have no sympathy if he’s just going to sit on the sidelines and complain. Do something or for Gods sake finish Winds of Winter

[@Jamesxx15]

Condal confirmed that they don't listen to everything George wants. He said it in an interview. George doesn't have a say, he sold the rights. That's why he won't go to the writers meeting.

[@ataridc]

The dude kept mostly quiet on s7 and 8 of got and continued to trust hbo with his stuff because of money. I love germs writing, but he's a total goofus of a person.

[@Cyrax219]

He's writing my guy. Its a really long book I'm not gonna read but watch videos on

[@skydome5481]

Also George defends GOT S8 but hates on HOTD (which had problems but was way better than that got s7 and 8). I think his books will end just like got s8. He doesn't have better idea.

[@mikebmade-it]

@@skydome5481 I’m honestly of the mindset that HoTD season 2 was solid. Of course the writing could’ve been tighter and the season finale wasn’t really a season finale but there’s been a very strange amount of hate towards season 2. It’s leaps and bounds better than season 7 and 8 of GoT.

[@SuperFan_channel]

Hey have you heard? James Earl Jones, the voice of Darth Vader, just passed away. I'm just wondering what's your thoughts about this news?

[@fayedunaway8]

George really said DRACARYS

[@WoodlandAsh]

Perhaps he can finish off his next book before slating people he sold his rights to.

[@courtneylane7639]

Same. Ive been defending this show and the changes they made. But you cant really argue with the mans whose intellectual property it is. Ill leave GoT alone bc they ran out of souce materiak and DnD arent the great writers we thought. But they have the entire story from beginning to end. Please dont fuck this show uo too. Or any future shows from the GoT world will probably fizzle out and die.

[@youknowwho1732]

Also with Haelena’s power/prophecy they have to incorporate that in why she’ll kill herself no ??

[@acs7167]

Imagine being so stupid you want to believe in a prophecy that leads to the death of your family and entire line because muh white walkers this show is made for 80 iq viewers

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Why didn't he blow up at HBO for the travesty of GOT S8 (and other seasons)?? Like yeah, having issues with HOTD makes sense, but uhhh buddy finish your books

[@Ma55ey]

Well at least he's taken a break from slamming his toxic fans..

[@josemorales-hz5ye]

season 2 was weak i lost interest after knowing this season 5 6 7 8 of game of thrones are happening again

[@youknowwho1732]

Like this is such a mess…like you’re saying this clash between HBO/Ryan and George between that explicit and public is so ??? I don’t think anything has ever been like that before ? Except maybe with the first percy Jackson movie like i know Rick Riordan was mad for the adaptation and wrote to the movie producer about hiw they could better the script but this was revealed later (i think) so…yeah (sorry for spanning the comments lol)

[@simonjunior3688]

If the books weren't that popular, so I've seen heavily implied before this show aired, then what's the problem with the changes? The effort the showrunners are putting into it is vastly more proactive that George's efforts to finish books and close storys before he effortlessly handing them content over to HBO for cash flow.

[@AerysIIFirstofhisname]

The changes are worse than we got in the book the characters are worse as well.

[@WarTheory]

Sad to say, I didn't like the second season. It was woke to me....

[@tuxedomask4masc]

Explain to me how its woke?

[@billybayaraa]

@@tuxedomask4masc explain how it was not woke

[@evalationx2649]

I don't like the show, but I am SO over GRRM. I really don't care anymore about what he has to say.

[@nickymo]

-sells rights -abandons direction -doesn’t finish his own work -complains

[@Zero_2500]

And yet you are still here within minutes of info dropping. Must have been some great f*cking rights.

[@nickymo]

@@Zero_2500reword into english please, not sure what you’re trying to say. Was also days ago GRRM said this stuff.

[@WilliamRussell314]

I read his blog post and, personally (as someone who hasn't read the book), I feel like he's quibbling over the loss of secondary characters/plotlines that don't drive the central plot. Adaptations have to do that I don't buy that his 'butterfly effect' line of reasoning is insurmountable by writers of the show.

[@k--music]

The best authors understand and encourage changes for the sake of a good story in another medium. I didn't see any he listed that would cause some huge plot unraveling event. And wrt blood and cheese, he wasn't really complaining that much. Nasser's unfortunately clickbaiting a little

[@WilliamRussell314]

@@k--music I don't think that's fair on Nasser lol, Martin definitely seemed to intend his post to be a slamdunk critique of the show.

[@k--music]

@@WilliamRussell314 he said he argued against a change but understands why and still loved the episode idk what sort of dunk that would be

[@vxdxsnow1450]

I could tell you didn’t read the books if you think this is a secondary plot line that shows you you don’t know anything about the books, they decided to cut a part of the Main plot that is reason why most things happen

[@yomismo83]

​@@k--musiceveryone is clickbaiting on this. Now, KZbin is a fucking nigthmare on this topic. I read the post, and he complains, yeah, you can feel he is some kind of frustrated about some things happened, and others about to happen on season 3 and 4, something like a warning, but the post itself It's not that level of criticism. He talks about blood and cheese scene, he likes it a lot, but thinks is better the one from the book. After that, mostly of the post is about Maelor absence in the show, and how it will affect in other things yet to happen. Finally, he warnes about other "toxic butterflies" could, and will happen, on season 3 and 4 because of more changes. What I don't know is wether he will write more stuff about this season or not, because he erased the post, and I don't know why.