Disney finally admits the truth about "The Acolyte"

[@zacharyfett2491]

If the Skeleton Crew numbers are bad, it’s because of the track record of Disney Star Wars. You can’t build an audience for a show if the previous offerings have been mediocre to terrible.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

True.

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

Yeah, it's hilarious to me how they thought Acolyte was gonna be a certified HIT, then barely even advertised this new show which is leagues better and written by people with actual talent.

[@CD-Gaming]

I haven't even seen it or any reviews on KZbin for it yet, but I have been hoping for a long time that Skeleton Crew would be good!

[@Poptalkandaliens]

@@CD-Gaming I’ve enjoyed skeleton crew quite a bit. I think I’d be enjoying it a lot more if Acolyte had been mid at minimum. But as a result of Acolyte there’s part of me that’s waiting for the other shoe to drop even in this low stakes kid friendly show

[@Cancoillotteman]

Also I'm unsure if it should not be animated ? Not only to save a lot of production budget, but also would help with going more whimsical than the live-action forces.

[@generaljimmies3429]

The failure of one! The failure of two! The failure of MANY!

[@TheFroneyZone]

underated commen...errr chant right here 😂

[@MCsCreations]

You won the internet for today, sir. Well done.

[@LordCarlos6191]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidbrannock7092]

This is the first SW video I watched in about 6 months, been watching One Piece anime. Sw is meh now.

[@nikolaspapanagnou2723]

Stop it! Okay. I'm not fully recovered!

[@billkammermeier]

It is a shame that the failure of The Acolyte is bringing down Skeleton Crew, because while I didn't like The Acolyte I am really enjoying Skeleton Crew.

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

Andor S2 has the absolute last tiny little drop of 'Give a SH-' about Disney Slop Wars that I am able to conjure, and even that is me basically regarding the series as an alternate timeline story in my head canon. How Gilroy can know nothing about SW lore but still successfully navigate it with a wiki and a supposedly lifelong fan of "All of the Star Wars" like Headberg cannot is beyond me.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

I gave Skeleton Crew a chance despite not watching The Acolyte. Glad I did as I’m enjoying it, so far.

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

​@@NunyaBizness-t2q100% agree. Disney does not deserve Gilroy. He operates on an entirely different playbook, and I'm still shocked that KK hasn't tried to ruin his projects. But the fact that Andor is the last and only thing they have to offer is probably one reason they're only too happy to push back that release date as far as they can.

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

@@NunyaBizness-t2q100% you nailed how I feel about Andor, it’s the last shred of Star Wars love I have left other than the OT…

[@MC-810]

I don’t think that the failure of the Acolyte is necessarily bringing down Skeleton Crew. It certainly didn’t help that Acolyte was a disaster but people had given up on the franchise long before. Each new show is just another nail in the coffin. Skeleton Crew was not marketed. Unless you watch Disney+ or KZbin videos about Star Wars, you wouldn’t have ever heard of it.

[@augustlion5105]

I guess the Acolyte didn't have the power of Maaaaaaaaany viewers.

[@cabrondemente1]

You cooking this Christmas? 'cuz that roast is on point.

[@StefSis]

Brothaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

[@lordlaughypants5889]

The irony is they spent $8 billion because of a built in audience and then spent 10 years telling that audience that they don't matter. It's one thing if they just make mediocre films and shows. It's another thing to have an excuse baked into your product that makes it seem like anyone who doesn't like it is racist or sexist.

[@AnastaziaJenkins]

theere were plenty of racist and sexist tho they lost there shit over finn lol but rey does suck and so does this show lol

[@Daniel_Huffman]

When a failed show's cast and crew go out of their ways to blatantly bully anyone who criticizes their show in any way, said show lost its ability to _deserve_ a second season. The most ironic part of it is that they are using the color of skin to defend the content of character.

[@CharlesXavier-kh3fx]

Sounds like the democrats.

[@bonjovi7399]

They also told me im racist for not liking their crappy product

[@macmcleod1188]

@@AnastaziaJenkins Finn was a terrible lost opportunity for a story about PTSD, Lost Friends/Comrades, and divided loyalties. They made a mockery of him and made him the butt of jokes and humiliation. As an old, white Texan I did a slow burn over the way they treated him as a character. And Rey was a Mary Sue so controversial that TV Tropes deleted the categories of Mary Sue and Gary Stu because they were "wrong-think".

[@philippe-cb8wj]

It has been cancelled because the story was silly, because no characters were interesting. It was a vanity project that cost too much and that pushed viewers away. It was built on sand.

[@drewbush9847]

It was cancelled because people didn’t watch it. People didn’t watch it because of the reasons you listed. 100% agree.

[@sheadoolittle]

I don’t like sand…

[@Rootiga]

i dont understand why anyone overcomplicates it it was a bad show which means less viewers less viewers, less money so no more bad show

[@rorybaird7920]

I hate sand

[@AmandaFessler]

So what you're saying is that the Acolyte was course, and rough, and irritating, and got everywhere.

[@JO-iv7tl]

The acolyte was initially answering questions none of the fans asked and then it was coming up with questions to those answers nobody wanted.

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

Why do they keep doing this crap? How did little Leia get her blaster holster? How did Han get his surname and fuzzy rearview mirror dice? 🤔 Disney just does not get Star Wars at all.

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

@@NunyaBizness-t2q It's what happens when you let corporate types make a product instead of fans. Star Wars is lightsabers, stormtroopers and Darth Vader. That's all that matters, and having those makes it good. Which is why they can't figure out why it's failing. They've got lightsabers, stormtroopers, and both the original and a new Darth Vader (Kylo Ren), so it should be succeeding.

[@Blue_Doge]

@@NunyaBizness-t2q tbf solo wasn't that bad of a movie (at least not deserving a loss)

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

Kylo Ren was a total wannabe Vader, a whining boy with daddy issues. Presenting such a weak antagonist weakens your hero too.

[@psyberduck42]

@@fiktivhistoriker345 I dunno, whiny boys with daddy issues is kind of the Skywalker legacy...

[@gnbman]

If he said what we were all thinking, he would say, "'The Acolyte' will not be getting a second season because it was poorly conceived, poorly executed, and born purely out of Ms. Kennedy's spite."

[@billmcdermott9647]

And Leslie headlands hang ups and inner demons

[@f-86zoomer37]

Wokeness killed it. People are sick and tired of trans propaganda and DEI anti whitism.

[@chiquita683]

The fact that they tried to say they were happy with the performance shows how out of touch Disney is

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@chiquita683they are just lying

[@marti6641]

Amen!

[@Truantduck]

The most important numbers nobody ever talks about are the audience drop off rate and tune out times. Accolyte attracted a decent audience at first, but nearly all of them bounced off the show after an episode or two.

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

Even I thought the premise of the Acolyte was a good one, I just knew Headberg was a god-awful choice for it and the show was gonna be bad while screwing up lore.

[@ssjllamamusic]

The idea of it could have been so, so good. But it had to have been done right. And it was not…

[@5eddie5]

Guilty as charged. By episode 3 of The Acolyte my D+ subscription was cancelled.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

For NetFlix the completion rate is the top metric they use for choosing to renew a show or not. And the top completion rates for shows tend to be in the 60% to 70% range, if your show is below 50% it isn't likely to be getting renewed. THe more expensive the show the higher the completion rate needs to be for renewal, especially for animation.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

Isn't her name "Headless"?

[@pirx9798]

8:02 vote with your wallet, the only thing Disney cares about

[@TyeMorrisVlog]

3:40 if i might add a slight correction/clarification: she cared more about what Star Wars could do for her rather than what she could do for Star Wars. Just my 2c, YMMV.

[@thorskywalker]

I thought that's what I said? Maybe I worded it poorly or something...

[@TyeMorrisVlog]

@ could be that I misinterpreted as well, but I think it’s safe to say we’re on the same page 😆

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@thorskywalker The question mark on your first sentence is an error. Stand by what you say. Do not fall. Pray to this new practice of putting a question mark after anything that you want to hedge your bet on. Write like you speak.

[@histguy101]

​@@JoeOvercoatthat's the reason people put question marks after statements, because they're writing like they speak. He's saying "Did I not make that exact point?"

[@ariesstorm9577]

I will never understand why the Acolyte cost so much in the first place.

[@ArchangelExile]

I smell incompetence or something shadier is the cause.

[@666daemian]

Fraud and incompetence are the most likely reasons

[@howard7073]

@@ArchangelExile yep,definitely something fishy going on

[@Chris23513]

I am guessing Leslie headland paid herself, Amadala and her wife $40 million, another $10 million for catering and another $100 million was money launder and the last $80 million paid for the 8 episode that where made.

[@OlekDeejay]

How else will they fund child trafficking? This is the way.

[@sliceofheaven3026]

That is such a nonsense statement. If they were happy with the performance of the Acolyte then then viewership numbers should have been fine. But in truth they werent happy with the performance of the show since the budget was way too high for the viewership numbers that it got. You dont cancel a show if you are satisfied with the performance of it.

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

It's corpo-political speak, you've got to parse the meaning from the little crumbs of truth he sprinkled in there. This is about as close to... "Lol yea that was God awful wasn't it guys?" As you'll get from someone working at Disney for at least a decade.

[@OlekDeejay]

They can't say the truth because they will be accused of being racist and homophobic/sexist. It goes against their entire agenda. Rules for thee, but not for me.

[@williambartholomew5680]

I think by "being satisfied with it's performance" they're simply glad it checked all the boxes they wanted it to, except make a return on their poor investment

[@cameronwilsey9334]

They pretty much aren't allowed to admit failure since it would embarrass their higher ups and draw the attention of panicky stock holders

[@adoptapenguin8323]

I admire your attempts to try and portray things as neutrally as possible considering how charged and political the situation is.

[@Poptalkandaliens]

It’s easier to get to the truth that way. Thor is the antithesis of Disney. He could easily scoop up a ton more views by just selling a popular narrative and popping out some cheap Kathleen Kennedy red eye videos, or just shill for everything. But he’s maintained integrity instead. Rare stuff these days.

[@markdavidson558]

​@@Poptalkandalienswell said, friend. Kudos, Thor

[@Juju-co8ys]

Dude loves Star Wars just like us a shame it’s not where it could be

[@null6634]

This is my first time visiting this channel. I'm always hesitant to click on a new channel that's discussing Disney since there is a large chunk of YT with the premise of pushing a hate filled narrative. I'm glad I clicked on this video. There are a ton of problems with Disney and Star Wars, but it isn't diversity. It's that they're terribly written and the plot moves forward because all the characters are morons.

[@adoptapenguin8323]

@@Poptalkandaliens I agree. At the core of youtube i just want to people being themselves talking about the things they are passionate about.

[@theindexfinger3434]

the acolyte was the most dumbly written show I ever witnessed. Not just a bad star wars show, a bad show in general. I dont mind the diversity or the agenda, or whatever. It was plain inept writing. Felt like it was written by a child.

[@the-point-bearer6689]

Same, and i feel like they were written as caricatures, rather than characters.

[@spinelessmoderate8715]

Yeah, acolyte was very not good.

[@beggar1015]

I protest. I truly believe a child could write a better story.

[@Ben-m9n7p]

I'm pretty sure if I submitted it in a creative writing exam, I would be told to take a few minutes to think things over and start again

[@teinarainheart]

I gave up on episode 1 and the series when it was obviously an "evil twin" story. That's almost as bad as "it was all a dream". 🙄

[@achromat666]

Shows like the Skeleton Crew might get a better chance at being successful if Disney did the one thing they refuse to: take a hiatus. They've spent so much time trying to make back money on their huge investments that they can't just take a breath and let something happen and rest. The products lack direction, are rife with content that serves no one except the egos of the people making them, and become less coherent with each iteration. Marvel Studios is in dire straights because no one wants to admit they completely ran out of steam after Endgame, and taking a breath when all the biggest stars left would have been the thing to do, until you had a solid game plan to move forward with. Star wars is going the same way, and now we've seen a messy, convoluted trilogy, several streaming shows that range from excellent to absolute waste of space, and it helps no one. If your shows make less money and people are less interested in them, ease off and come back with something they care about after giving us time to miss them. If they had a plan that was design to move the franchise forward and engage the audience, they wouldn't have to bet everything on the next project being a hit, because they took the time to create strong work in every project.

[@SgtAJ218]

Here is my history with The Acolyte. Initially when this show was announced I was interested because I love Star Wars and I wanted to see a show focused on the Sith. Also, I think it is cool to see the backstory of the bad guys and why they are evil. When I learned Leslye Headland was the showrunner for the Acolyte and saw the fan response I was not sure why she was getting this kind of response. I then did some research and when I learned about her connection to Harvey Weinstein I understood where everyone was coming from, but I was not skeptical yet. I became skeptical when Headland said things like how The Acolyte was not going to be very friendly to the Jedi. Despite that I wanted to give the show a fair chance as I do with all of these Star Wars shows. I even watched all 8 episodes to be fair to it. By the end, I was one of many people who did not like it because I did not think it was well written and I hated how they handled the Jedi. However, the thing that bugs me the most about The Acolyte is having to deal with the same thing I had to deal with when The Last Jedi came out. Which is having people try to tell me the reasons I did not like it and accusing me of horrible things like being a Sexist and Racist. I know I brought this question up before, but I would like to ask these people one question; “If bigotry is somehow the reason why the Acolyte is getting canceled and why some many didn’t like the show, then how come the Ahsoka series is getting another season, which is a show that a good amount of people enjoyed despite its flaws?” I do not like bringing this question up again nor do I like using Ahsoka to defend myself and other fans, but I am really tired of this, and I wish people would stop accusing fans like me of horrible stuff like this. There are of course people like that out there, but I have met plenty of Star Wars fans who are really cool and simply just wanted to see a good show, movie, comic, or video game. Ultimately, I am glad the Acolyte was canceled and I really hope we do not have to deal with this situation again.

[@brianalambert1192]

I swear the show has really exposed the ugly parts of both sides of the fandom. The ones that are ignoring blatant bad production and instead are blaming bigotry and the ones that are so nitpicky about it that they do sound like the fans are a bunch of nutjobs.

[@ProteaAurea]

For me it is heartbreaking because the ONLY thing that bothered me about all six Lucas's movies (I always loved prequels too) was the lack of a single female Jedi with a speaking role (with a very small exception of the stuck-up librarian Jocasta Nu), not a single female Sith even mentioned, no female X-wing pilots, and almost no PoC characters - especially of Asian and South American descent (I think one of the Queens was played by an Indian actress, if I remember correctly?). And then Acolyte gives me a battle between a South Korean and a Filipino-American actors, it gives me Force-sensitive black woman in the main role, it gives me potentially awesome female padawan, it gives me wisest Jedi Master being Trinity from Matrix. And then the show is the most stupid, illogical, badly written mess of something that both manages to blatantly try to copy prequels and fails at every level to understand what prequels are about, what Star Wars is about, who Jedi and Sith are.... It's just a horrible show all around. I don't have a one good thing to say except about it. Maybe that actors really seemed to try the best they could with the crap they were handed. Diversity is not the goal of a show. Diversity is just something that should be a normal, required thing to make a show, the way they require a camera. I am not going to watch a show just because they had a camera to film it with. That's a requirement, but not a reason to watch a terribly bad show.

[@Hydroxis45]

Disney would need to fire A LOT of people and hire a new CEO in order for me to even think about supporting them.

[@dynamoterror18]

0:13 What a very corporate-Disney response.

[@StefSis]

Disney simply just can't make real good stories with interesting character development anymore. And they can't even give an answer that's not coporate inflicted.

[@ravonharris3392]

Acolyte SW "fans": Thanks bigot, you cancelled a great show all because you're racist or sexist. Most SW fans: This show sucks! Can't believe both Disney and we fans spent money on this. Good thing it's being cancelled. Disney: It costed way too much money.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

IKR 😂😂😂

[@travisjohnson622]

Lol you spent money on this?

[@JoelAdamson]

If I were an executive, I'd cancel the Acolyte and keep Skeleton Crew regardless of the numbers. The Acolyte sucked. Skeleton Crew does not.

[@DocLunger]

“sacked” 😂

[@JoelAdamson]

@DocLunger I'm not sure how autocorrect thought that was more correct.

[@ecnayonnA]

If they produced Acolyte for a quarter of the costs, they would have been fine with the viewership.

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

Remember when Headberg said with a straight face she was gunning to surpass the Duel of the Fates on Naboo? 😂 😂 😂

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

@@NunyaBizness-t2q Ah, yes, Naboo. The desert planet where Obi-Wan Skywalker fought Darth Vader. Yes, I am Star Wars fan.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

A tenth of the cost maximum.

[@drdwaynecuster]

One word. Incoherent. That's the sad state of the current generation of "writers."

[@macmcleod1188]

Too many inexperienced writers (and some lacking talent) shoved on to writing teams for political reasons.

[@JUnit41484]

@@macmcleod1188 oh you mean "DEI!!!!!!!!!!"? You can change the words around, but you're still basically saying "I don't like it when the writers aren't straight white men."

[@macmcleod1188]

@@JUnit41484 No, I'm lgbt myself. So set aside your defensiveness and listen. When you replace half the production crew or half the writing staff with DEI it causes a huge artificial demand for DEI employees. This results in many grossly inexperienced and often highly ideological people being put in positions before they are ready. If there are three really good LGBT writers, another half dozen who are good, and 15 who are either inexperienced or even lacking the talent to write and you instantly create an artificial demand for a couple dozen LGBT writers, you are going to ruin a lot of shows. Recall, these people are not being hired based on a history of good words... they are being hired because they meet a checkbox. When you add them being ideological, it's even worse. You end up producing products the *customers* don't want to buy at best, or at worst creates active hostility in people who were neutral before.

[@JUnit41484]

@macmcleod1188 ok well that's a really good way to write off basically all minorities because the hiring manager did a bad job, isn't it? Don't make me defend ridiculous quotas they decided they needed to fill if you can't reckon with the fact that without practices like this all the hires are old white men (because they're the most qualified, right?). How come race and diversity only seem to matter when the show is bad? Nobody pays attention when a diverse group of writers make a good show, or when a collection of stuffy old whites make a bad one, why do we only get to make huge sweeping conclusions when the bigots are right?

[@StefSis]

One word: Disney

[@RickyKearnsJr]

I don't agree that "all Disney cares about is the numbers" If that was the case, we'd have ALOT less garbage movies/shows coming from them. Laundering money and pushing woke content, two birds with one stone

[@Rhys-Lightning]

For a show that was being advertised as a "one-off, open-and-shut story", there was a lot of leaving things unanswered for a second season. Almost like Hedland is full of it

[@KetsubanSolo]

That, and nowadays, lotsa shows have a two season contract (ie: Velma). For them to cancel after one season means stuff went very, VERY wrong, that severing the contract would be seen as more financially sound decision than going for a second season.

[@timcuedesignz2798]

They owe us an apology for all the hate they were spewing on Twitter, calling fans racist, attacking youtubers like drinker, the Amandala ig rants. People not liking a show doesn't justify a corporation like Disney to attack it's audience

[@50043211]

The total cost for two seasons of Arcane was $250M! Now compare that to what you got from The Acolyte. And high end animation is always more work intensive then live action! As long the holy spread sheet makes the decisions we will only get mediocre garbage.

[@Ben-m9n7p]

I have a theory that Leslye Headland got caught committing embezzlement and made up the acolyte just for a cover story to explain where the 230 million had gone

[@robertagren9360]

Animation demand more work effort and what drives down the costs.

[@ignatzmuskrat3000]

It's amazing how bad the executive tastes in material is. Makes you wonder how they stay employed betting on the crap their audience will swallow. Fire them all.

[@debelmeis2311]

I can't stand looking at the face of Harvey wieneteins accomplice

[@monsieurcommissaire1628]

Be careful and use a mirror if you do so you don't turn to stone...

[@discobroccoli198]

You’re very unintelligent

[@hantms]

It's really puzzling why Disney hasn't cleaned ship at Lucasfilm.. When you're in a hole, stop digging! The writing was on the wall years ago. This is just a complete management failure. Why do people still buy Disney stock you wonder.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I think they don't know who to put in charge that knows Lucasfilm, understands the I.P. and has a vision for its future.

[@crosshairs007]

@@sandal_thong8631 Literally any actual Star Wars fan, instead of someone who actively hates Star Wars.

[@williambartholomew5680]

That's the problem with building up your company with DEI's, with 90% of the company being that you can't clean house without it being prejudice. Bout time they realize though that there's serious long-term consequences to having people work for you who don't deserve to be there and don't want to leave.....

[@sandal_thong8631]

I think that's too general. There are people that eat-up anything Star Wars like they're a 10-year-old and then there's people of different ages that like some things but not others. For instance if you didn't see the OT when it came out you won't feel the nostalgia that helped boost _The Force Awakens._ Many OT fans didn't like _The Phantom Menace_ but kids then did. Then there are the various animated (cartoons) series and live action shows. And maybe kids liked the sequels? But I do think the person in charge should like _something_ that a large group of fans liked. When _Joker 2_ came out and bombed there was the question of what to do with the new producers who were supposed to oversee this thing. Obviously they approved the script and got the dailies. My movie reviewer loved the trailer, but said "uh oh, I heard it's a musical," months before its release. But just as the director mustn't be hired again, it lost so much money that those producers have to go to; they weren't up to the job. There's a saying that in a big corporation, people get promoted to their level of incompetence. That is they were doing their job well so they got a promotion, but they aren't doing a good job at their new position which might require other skills they don't have. But they don't demote them.

[@JUnit41484]

So you haven't watched Andor then?

[@MichaelJPartyka]

I watched five minutes of "Skeleton Crew", and when they got to the kids, I was out. (I actually wanted to thank Disney for letting me know up front there was no sense wasting my time on this show.)

[@rogenhamen]

You mentioned Skeleton Crew and my first thought was "Oh yeah, I should get around to watching that" knowing that I will not get around to watching that any time soon 🙃

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

You should check it out.

[@blackbenten]

@@eyeheartsushi2212I’ve been enjoying it.

[@Gumlass1]

I know a certain "Strong Female Character" from the Mandalorian that Disney didn't like ...

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Yup

[@godlikemonolith]

You mean that bigoted woman? Surely it’s the writing and the production and not on minor side character. 🤦🏽

[@maxgrata]

@@godlikemonolithA woman who believes in the right to speak, even if some people don’t like it

[@godlikemonolith]

@@maxgrata yep that bigoted woman speaking out about her bigotry. She has the right to speak but she doesn’t have the right to not have consequences for that bigoted speech.

[@ProteaAurea]

I am heartbroken that the actress's small-mindedness and hatefulness destroyed a wonderful female character. The kind I always wanted to see in Star Wars. Her background in MMA really sold the idea that she is a tough fighter not to be messed with. But I don't want her to have that job anymore. Actions have consequences, and my taste in something that is just an entertainment at the end of the day does NOT justify continuing to give her a lot of money, power, and fame - which she will use to hurt innocent people. Well rid of, I say. On the other hand, I love Natalie Portman, she seems like a wonderful and smart person from what I've seen, and she was a very convincing Senator and a starter of Rebellion, but I just couldn't take her seriously as a physically capable fighter with her body build at the time of filming. She was a half-starved child.

[@Mr.PepeSilvia]

Saying they were happy with it's performance but that it didn't perform well enough to keep it going 🤦🏻‍♂️ What dude?

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

It’s called lying

[@Mr.PepeSilvia]

@eyeheartsushi2212 my point exactly lol

[@robertagren9360]

They're not lying, this was exactly why Leslye was hired.

[@chrisbenson6753]

The only people that took issue with a strong female character in the Mandalorian were Disney themselves…

[@nocturnal03]

no, I saw plenty of men crying because of bo-katan being a ''girlboss'' aka any woman that does anything successfully at all.

[@JUnit41484]

That's a cute way to blow off everyone she offended with her bigoted bs...

[@Antidoxy]

We will be back for Andor season 2❤

[@PastorGatorcoot]

I'll binge watch Skeleton Crew next month.

[@tehaus10]

I enjoyed the Acolyte. After it didn't get a second season I came to a point where I realized that Star Wars fans are only really fans of nostalgia. I remember when the prequels got the same hate as the sequels. You'd never know that now. As the internet became more popular SW fans somehow became worse.

[@discobroccoli198]

I feel the same

[@bertbargo7162]

4:55 IN MY OPINION THE JEDI ARE EVIL

[@robertagren9360]

Then you are lost.

[@theroguerider]

What I always get aggravated by is the, “Disney will ruin it” theory. They want to make money as does everyone else and they put Kathleen Kennedy in charge of it under George’s advisement. She’s the one that created this rudderless ship that Star Wars sails on, not Disney.

[@leonielson7138]

One of the core concepts of "The Acolyte" was to show that the Jedi were corrupt and that the Sith had a point, and it failed to do that in the first season, instead framing the Brendok Four as being completely justified in wiping out the coven of witches.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

The first episode set the tone by showing the Jedi loosing the fight because she protected the bartender. The only corrupt Jedi here was Vernestra.

[@Sam_T2000]

those are some really awful glasses for her face.

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

She's post transition Dwight from the Office, except not at all funny or useful.

[@Sam_T2000]

@ - Dwight’s glasses fit his face better somehow 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@StefSis]

Maybe it's her face that.... Nah. Sorry, have a nice day

[@alanmuxlow7093]

Disney has demonstrated over several years that they are not interested in making money. They are vested in the MESSAGE.

[@Uulfinn]

Disney indirectly admits to a failure and mufasa gets destroyed by sonic 3. It really is a christmas miracle.

[@GenXMind67]

Second rate actors, second rate writing, second rate production, with first rate expectations from the audience. It was always about the money, never about the history or lore of Star Wars. Just throw some shlock out there, no one will know the difference...show an image of Yoda...insult the intelligence of the viewers...they will eat it up. When the audience rejected this lame excuse of Star Wars prequel trilogy, the paid shills got to work blaming the very people who made Star Wars one of the most successful franchises in movie history. Disney proved that Lucas made the biggest mistake ever made in Hollywood history by allowing Iger and his phonies to take over something that was so far beyond anything that egomaniac and his dubious sidekick, Kathleen Kennedy, could have lived up to. Iger and Kennedy had absolutely no intention of continuing what made Star Wars the legend that it is; rather, their plan was to rip apart the very fabric to its core. They almost succeeded.

[@buckoQuentin]

Diversity is not always good/enjoyable/needed. In fact, sometimes it's deceptive and a cash grab. People are intuitive and dislike being manipulated.

[@pyronuke4768]

I read somewhere that a big reason The Acolyte cost so much was because they had to build so many different and unique sets for filming.

[@andrewlim9345]

I feel sad about the Acolyte. There were some good elements like Qimir but the series felt iconoclastic and half-finished. Hopefully, Lucasfilm learns from their mistakes and does engage with fans in the future. As Yoda said, failure can be the best teacher.

[@StefSis]

Happy Festivus, everyone! 😊🎉

[@YourRaincloud]

I’ve never had a credit card but the only thing I went into debt for was a waste of a stupid art college degree. My husband and I paid off $230k in student loans in 7 years - we did NOTHING for 7 years. That one lady with that much in credit card debt is MIND BLOWING

[@kendrathompson5207]

I didn't think Disney were that bothered about price tags, especially with their own projects. They only tighten their belts when something has George Lucas' actors

[@EddieBloecher]

Merry Christmas Thor and Naboo!!! Did you watch the Packers Monday Night? What a game!

[@Janx14]

To think, it has 100x the Halo TV show petition's votes!

[@ArchangelExile]

I didn't watch it because of Disney's poor handling of the franchise. Everything I've seen from them, minus Rogue One, was complete and utter trash. I did however, watch tons of video essays shitting on the show and enjoyed them very much.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Agreed on all although I liked Andor.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Also enjoying Skeleton Crew.

[@nerddwarf]

They gave the thumbs up to allow Season 7 of The Clone Wars

[@StefSis]

Wasn't Rogue One just over the top fan service?

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@ Perhaps but still great.

[@tynytian]

11:00 in other words, the "haters" just means the vast majority of people

[@centurosproductions8827]

Somebody should start a GoFundMe for Disney as a joke.

[@eliezerrodriguez5863]

Again in that interview, the guy never mentioned anything About viewerships, or how many people watched the show.He just said that the show was expensive and they didn't want to continue with for that reason They're trying to save money

[@jakeaurod]

I don't know if it was bad, but it wasn't great. The story was a mystery but came across more as confusing... in a way that didn't generate interest but apathy instead. Some of the characters we don't get to know well enough to care what they did or what happens to them. The characters we did get to know abruptly changed for reasons that didn't necessarily feel earned. The entire backstory of the interrupted ceremony and subsequent fire feels contrived when these people are supposed to be strong with the force. I think the biggest problem was the lack of stakes. It was basically MeanGirls in spacerobes, with two cliques fighting each other. If the plot had been about saving the galaxy, or a planet, or a city, or preventing an assassination or something external to the characters, then it might feel grander. At least, that's how I remember it, but it wasn't that memorable.

[@ArmyJay]

i agree with you about Skeleton Crew. I didn’t expect much going into it but it’s pleasantly ok.

[@kimmccarthy7747]

Frankly, I don't know what they could do in a second season. Everyone's dead.

[@theexisle7512]

Hey Thor, others have asked similar questions, but reading has been helping me get through some recent health problems and I'd like to know where to go next in my journey into the EU. I've already started with Darth Plagueis, Dark Disciple, Tarkin, Lords of the Sith, A New Dawn, Darth Bane trilogy, & Dark Lord trilogy. Next on tap are Master & Apprentice and Catalyst. Your input would be nice. Sorry for the long winded post. Love your content, keep up the good work. 👍

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

The OG Thrawn trilogy (not the new Disney one) + Outbound flight (Thrawn prequel) and Hand of Thrawn duology (sequels to Thrawn trilogy) are worth checking out as well. Idk where you wanna fit them in to your order there, but good luck with the health stuff.

[@d3j4v00]

If the numbers are bad maybe it’s because they don’t put the new episode on the homepage when it comes out.

[@Michael93deras]

It's the same thing that happened to the Guardians of the Galaxy game. No one gave it a chance because of the fiasco that the Avengers game was.

[@alexstewart9747]

Oh….. And the poor judgement in the obviously pre-produced diss track that backfired.

[@Hykje]

There is a video on KZbin that highlights the show's writing in a straightforward way. The video's name is "The Acolyte's stupid elevator door" and features an elevator nobody seems to remember is no longer working.

[@Hylian_Glitchmobber]

If Disney just gave into the demands of the "haters" like some articles claim, then the sequel trilogy would've been decanonized a long time ago. Erased with no intention of ever touching those characters again.

[@kvproductions2581]

The fact that he sounded optimistic about Skeleton Crew sounds like they're finally beginning to give a damn about audience opinions, maybe?

[@____________838]

So that begs the question. Why was The Acolyte so expensive?

[@darksteelmenace595]

I mean a measly 86k people signed that petition for the renewal of the show. That tells you everything you need to know. Even if we're being generous and say each person is buying a years worth of Disney+ thats less than 7 mil dollars total, the first season cost over 28 times that. Even if they'd limit the budget the math just ain't mathin'

[@StefSis]

I like my math mathin' ✌🏻😊👌

[@AlbertusMagnus_44]

Bergman: “We were happy with our performance but it wasn’t where we needed it to be given the cost structure…” This is gaslighting. It’s also a bald faced lie. They WERE NOT happy with their performance. It cost too much money and drew too few viewers not only to justify a 2nd season, but to justify the 1st and only season. This show bombed. Weasel words do not lessen the reality. This is why Disney fails. They hire amateurs, give virtually unlimited money to them, expect great things that never happen, then lie to viewers and shareholders. Enough of this garbage. Disney needs to clean house from the Board on down, including Bergman. Disgusting.

[@RSN1748]

very fair and nuanced take. thank you.

[@jeffb1013]

On the plus side, we’re less than 4 months to season 2 and the conclusion of the third greatest character story ever told in all of Star Wars.

[@williamtan8769]

200mil to fund this? Disney sure know how to burn their money

[@cmcb7230]

The last 5 minutes makes perfect sense.

[@dernwine]

Skeleton crew has had zero marketing and zero hype. Im not shocked it has low viewership.

[@Ruleof2Review]

Damn. Ahsoka deserved much better viewership. It’s REALLY great. My favorite Disney Star Wars project put to screen. Hopefully S2 performs even better! Acolyte to me was painfully mediocre. It had some really really big structural problems. I don’t love it, but I also didn’t **hate it** either. It’s not the train wreck people claim imo. I’m not sad it was cancelled, but if a S2 was happening I certainly would’ve watched it to see where it went. The concept was definitely ripe for exploration. 🤷‍♂️

[@BloodyInitiate]

I’ll keep saying it as long as it’s true: I wrote off this show as soon as I learned Leslye Headland was running it. Nothing else mattered. Proximity to the Weinstein scandal is more than enough to black list someone from that industry. Those jobs are too good and too well-paying, there will always be a flood of wannabes. Just hire one of those. You lose nothing for firing someone in that industry. There will always be replacements. You damage your production by hiring damaged goods. There is no reason to do it.

[@TheDemigans]

This prove how good Andor is behind the scenes. Because while it's initial numbers were bad, the show kept getting views. So many in fact that despite it's late release in the year it was in the top 10 Disney shows of the year (not just Star Wars). Which is why Acolyte got cancelled, but Andor now has a bigger budget than before. Andor has something the other shows do not: consistent customers streams. New or old, people have a subscription for this show.

[@kevthepoet]

It cost too much and didn't make enough money. The end.

[@timefly4221]

I actually feel a little bad for Lesley Headland. I think she genuinely is a Star Wars fan, but despite that she doesn’t really understand it or just doesn’t believe in the message. She tried to take the franchise in a totally weird direction towards immature fantasy where the dark, hunky bad boy really is the good guy and the parent-like Jedi figures are really controlling, corrupt, and evil underneath.

[@bonjovi7399]

It's official. Disney broke Star Wars. At least George knew when to give up the ghost before interest declined

[@jordangas8817]

Disney pulling all the Acolyte merch speaks volumes

[@filiussolis5368]

Headland was never charged because she snitched.

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Ignore corporate crap. Instead, support independent (and AWARD-WINNING) creators. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind’s journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul’s fate revealed. In time, all points converge, hope’s strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the universe’s endless refrain, We must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ -- Diamond Dragons (series)

[@OpticBlast-yk5hf]

I think Skeleton Crew is going to get better numbers after the whole show is out. I think with the good ratings from critics and word of mouth of those who have watched it will convince others to binge it after the whole thing is out. I’m really liking the show so far.

[@thsxi]

How did this slop cost almost as much as 2 seasons of Arcane, having incredibly similar themes and being a gorillion times worse than it? Disney did not cook with the acolyte.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

They didn't spend $$$ on lucasfilm to make more Star Wars movies. They thought they were buying the fanbase of Star Wars and could sell whatever movies they wanted to make and the fanbase would be obligated to spend money on those movies. However, that's not how things work.

[@Supherodude]

Disney should go back to focusing on making Star Wars movies instead of releasing a show on Disney+ every few months. Star Wars belongs on the big screen. Before Disney bought Star Wars this franchise was an event but now the excitement for new projects is gone because of all these shows. If Disney wants to save money they should stop wasting it on Disney+ shows which are not profitable and get Star Wars back on the big screen again.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

They are being careful because a movie flop is more noticeable than a Disney+ show flop.

[@miragewizard]

And then Skeleton Crew is basically the Star Wars version of Star Trek: Prodigy.. Disney is ran by Ferengi.

[@mandolorian9893]

Disney never forgets the first rule of acquisition: Once you have their money! Never give it back

[@NunyaBizness-t2q]

Disney isn't run by Ferengi, more like they're run by the Pakled. The Ferengi would give customers what they want while extracting every drop of wealth from them they could.

[@heroicgangster9981]

this is forced skeleton crew hate

[@debelmeis2311]

No because ferengi would turn a profit, let's not insult the lobes

[@mandolorian9893]

@@debelmeis2311 A Ferengi without profit is no ferengi at all

[@chrisadams1438]

Ah yes, the Toxic Fandom: simultaneously a tiny but vocal minority of racist and sexist fans who can be safely ignored and dismissed, and a large and influential enough percentage of the fans to get shows cancelled based on their say-so. Truly an enigma wrapped within a paradox.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

The problem is that it couldn't even pull in the frustrated fans who keep swearing off the franchise, but can't resist the urge to tune in for more Mando and Grogu because it didn't even have beloved main characters like that to offer them.

[@cosmiccollector7586]

Just started Skeleton Crew and it's actually pretty good

[@LordNeros]

I am still amazed what disney did to the brand. When lucasarts was bought I belived it would turn out good, after all a company wants to make money, so they release good products that people want to spend money on, that is how the market should work, but somehow palpatine returned, I mean somehow it turned out different and all went downhills

[@taunttitan1714]

You know what Thor Skywalker said is so very true There could have been 10 hell even 100 times the hate for The Acolyte (Well deserved by the way) and if that show had actually good numbers Disney would have made season 2 then possibly 3 and so on literally all Disney cares about is the money and numbers

[@TheBlueDeath123]

Brutally expensive vanity project for some untalented hacks with no history of success

[@varundattoo9512]

Sigh, again "we have no source material" was the single most damning thing anyone put in charge of the SW, or any IP for that matter could have said. That's the legacy KK wrought and she doesn't realise that's exactly what she going to be remembered for. "Legendisation" of the EU, so her muppets can steal all the ideas of actual authors, writers, creators and fans that were passionate about the verse. Also, the fact that disney is also doing the same thing actively right now, by hiring then firing writers once they've gotten some work(eg Stuart Beattie's Kenobi scripts) is simply atrocious.

[@maidros85]

Andor's finale being below Kenobi's and Book of Boba Fett's in viewership is just sad

[@MiscMitz]

It is the only SW project I still have not watched...

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Same

[@Banzai51]

Disney Star Wars makes sense when you look at it as Kathleen Kennedy is acting out of personal spite.

[@pr0hobo]

230 million is insane! dune part 2 was only ~190 million, and dune 1 was ~160. You could make Dune Messiah for that instead of more star wars slop