Nat Friedman (Github CEO) - Reading Ancient Scrolls, Open Source, & AI

[@DwarkeshPatel]

For the latest updates on the Vesuvius Challenge, visit: scrollprize.org/winners

[@EarthAngel_Daughter_Of_GOD888]

The holy spirit of source of all the that is of living things and of all creations is infinite energy source of light so coincidentally a Lightbody so use all different spectrums of light and light fractals and there vibrational frequencies at once... If there is even such a machine in existence that can't do...That's is my first instinctual thought... It reminds me of the story of Cinderella and I think that shoe will fit!!! 888

[@frankiestylz5641]

I agree❤

[@zackleonard8559]

The first team already succeeded in reading a scroll this year. It amazingly listed the supposed burial place of Plato, which had been lost for 1000s of years.

[@Mr-E.]

That is great to hear! I just Googled it and found the articles. Very interesting that he was buried in the gardens of his Athens academy..

[@emilyannamanda]

Amazing guys

[@partysuvius]

WAIT, THEY JUST HAPPENED TO DO THAT ONE FIRST?!? Holy wow. I wonder what other precious information is in the scrolls

[@partysuvius]

@@Mr-E.awwwww wait that’s such a lovely place to be burieddddd He was clearly someone with great sentimentalities

[@Potato-Eye]

What happens when the Muslims find out they are wrong? Going to be crazy when the terrorists find out they followed an ironically incorrect man

[@FredPauling]

How have the views on this video not exploded? This is the most perfect confluence of science, history, technology, AI, entrepreneurial spirit, and exciting possibilities.

[@Kiloho951]

Totally agree!

[@NABILMIKDAME]

Good

[@sandmans1987]

That’s how you know the KZbin algorithm is broken!

[@johndconstantine]

@Smcsnacks ha. Stop being a theory conspiracionist. You don’t wanna be associated with the bible readers.

[@KraftyKreator]

Partly because it’s pretty tech and historically heavy, the average KZbinr comes to be entertained not learn something new. A bit of editing would be helpful,maybe put it into shorts segments? Attention spans have definitely gone down. I saw a shortage followed the link only yesterday, I haven’t heard about this until this point, and I have to admit, beyond the scrolls, I’m just not interested, so I haven’t watched further. Certain subjects are interesting and others aren’t to people; I’ve actually been to Pompeii and Herculaneum, so the historical part was interesting but then the tech part really had lost my attention.

[@markusenglund4622]

You should try to get Nat back on the podcast (and maybe some of the prize winners) now that the challenge has been completed!

[@nisaba5752]

Where would there be updates on this project?

[@Uno_Floydd]

@@nisaba5752cricket bracelet scam it smells like

[@ljcl1859]

Yes. This is an amazing story. I would love to here the creator of the prize talk about what it was like getting these breakthroughs.

[@InfiniteCuriousity]

What an insightful interview! Nat seems like a clear thinker who values playful experimentation as a mechanism for getting that clarity. Very refreshing.

[@DwarkeshPatel]

Hope you enjoy! This one was fascinating!

[@nisaba5752]

Any updates about this?

[@elements970]

And AI....meaning what exactly? Is AI interpreting as IT sees what it would be? Or....please elaborate? What exactly does this tech have in the degree of interpretation,or is it simply in the unravelment tech of these scrolls? Or is it literally all based on AI TECH?

[@jen8063]

Thank you so much. Very interesting

[@Monica-ds8dc]

@@nisaba5752 as of 2 months ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6fThoqHmKpmorMsi=2UGR-iPtZRR31Z9a

[@sucim]

"I don't assume the world is efficient anymore" I love that realization! I can process it consciously but subconsciously I still have this tendency to assume the EMH. I need to learn to look at these things I would usually brush off because of it with more nuance

[@jg-bf7ik]

Really. The EMH? Do you assume everyone knows what that means?...

[@beasttammer9265]

I dont

[@seaview1997]

Thank you. I found this interview from the short about the Vesuvius Challenge and almost turned it off after you covered that. Instead I found a fascinating interview with a person I had never heard of but was blown out of the water by who was interviewed by someone I also had never heard of but was one of the most skilled interviewers I have ever seen. I am fully aware that a good 50% of what you spoke about went over my head, I am not a programmer, I have only passing knowledge of current AI development, but you somehow managed to skirt the line of making the incomprehensible interesting to follow and challenged me to think. Thank you, again. I have now subscribed to the podcast and want to follow what Nat is up to.

[@shrikant23jituri]

A great example is this video with just 14k views that world is not efficient. Insightful video. Lots of learn.

[@dippitydoo8575]

Looks like it’s finally gaining some traction. The views are now almost 30k

[@ozyssah]

​@dippitydoo8575 yeah I saw a clip on Twitter and haven't gotten around to it until now but saved it around the time you commented

[@vivekkunwarpal]

Production Quality of your content is increasing day by day. But your content(specially questions) are always mind blowing and I love that most.

[@angelomontinola1476]

This is my new favorite Interview Channel!

[@telotawa]

man i really hope that place is excavated more and we get a whole massive library of ancient texts, that would be so cool

[@raoultesla2292]

Sooner the algo reads, scans our history, the sooner religion and banking cease. Bunch of Sneetches bumping into each other, this is going to be a circus.

[@yang8244]

You would read them?

[@apollograyling-hastur3995]

@@yang8244I definitely would

[@nisaba5752]

​@@yang8244EVERYONE would read them!!!! The Christian bible might even be added to,or rewritten! New plays,a better understanding of the knowledge and wisdom we have from famous philosophers... even history. The Romans,when they invaded all these different countries,wrote home about the people they encountered there-- the languages,stories,histories of those places. Those Roman letters were copied and kept in archives,or sent on to the Vatican. These scrolls could have that information!!! Me and lots of people with Scottish heritage,for example would be SO EXCITED to have more info on the Picts of Scotland...very little is known about them today!! Wow this is certainly exciting😊

[@JamesLeeHall]

It would be so much easier to read all these by forcing the Vatican to open its library to everyone. Or at least the information. Countries stolen items from other countries and those stolen properties were returned. No one can tell me that the Vatican did not loot Alexandria before the fire. In fact;I think Rome probably burned the Library of Alexandria. There is no telling what could be learned,from the knowledge,in the Vatican. The Roman Catholic Church is hoarding knowledge. This act is not Christian. The Vatican would know for sure if Jesus Was married. If Jesus was married;it would not change that He is and was the Son of God. Actually it’s logical that Jesus would have been married. Ravi’s were not allowed to teach in the Synagogue,when they were age 30,unless they were married. So there’s a great chance that Mary Magdalene was Jesus’s wife. It’s actually not blasphemy. It’s blasphemy saying He was married and didn’t sacrifice Himself on the cross(through crucifixion). There are stories that Mary was pregnant by Jesus. This actually does not contradict Jesus,as being the Son of God. Jesus received the Holy Spirit when He was baptized. Then He received more during His 40 days of fasting. Jesus said I am in God & God is in me. I believe this is the Holy Spirit. Jesus was basically at full strength(excuse my choice of words) at His Transfiguration. Where Jesus was His true self(like we were meant to be) as a being of pure light. Then at the Garden of Gethsemane,Jesus prayed that the Holy Spirit would go back to God. That’s why Jesus was upset that the apostles couldn’t stay awake. It’s not that he knew Judas was betraying Him. Jesus knew the exact second that Judas would show up. The apostles were to watch the Holy Spirit going back to God,so they would learn what Jesus said about God being in Him and He being in God.

[@zhuzhou]

The Sci-fi element comes from "Use of Weapons" by Iain Banks - during negotiation with a more primitive planet, they 1) as a matter of course, scan every building and the ground to a depth of 10 meters, on the entire planet 2) As part of that, they find some old lost poems 3) During negotiations, mention "By the way, would you like to see 50 unknown poems from your greatest historical poet?" This was mind-blowing to read for me when I first hit it. Imagine getting a copy of Shakespeare's private diary... or lost stories from biblical times, or earlier. Amazing!

[@ichraumauf5532]

Once deciphered, will the texts be made publicly made available, so they can be read and translated in a crowdsourced way in all languages? Will you work with publishers?

[@MaraaDee]

At 0:33, my sentiments, exactly. Can we get an update on this?!

[@Mago_5994]

Wow this would be amazing. So much knowledge has been lost over the centuries. Getting some of it back is invaluable. Please make this happen!

[@videowatching9576]

Fascinating point about importance to recognize that world not efficient, and so look for where an idea might not be being done but should.

[@vanessanascimento2280]

Caray, porque ninguém tá comentando sobre isso? Tem história antiga, um acelerador de partículas, um prêmio em dinheiro, IA, uma cidade enterrada. 😮😮😮😮 Isso é melhor que o plot de Indiana Jones.

[@v.v.9.9.]

Exatamente. Mas a Deolane sendo presa reúne centenas de pessoas. O que é importante de verdade não é divulgado, não é comentado, não tem como fazer piada sobre. Eu estou animadíssima com este tópico e espero que consigamos acessar o conhecimento em breve!

[@partysuvius]

Plato would be immensely proud of the students who aided in the recovery of the first scroll’s text ^^

[@temjim]

Great interview, thanks Dwarkesh! Nat Friedman is now my new spirit animal. :D

[@Ibrahim_Abouzied_OOOOOlllld]

Fantastic episode. I'm all over AI, this is exactly what I needed.

[@DwarkeshPatel]

Take a crack at it bro

[@cloudpuffer224]

I dont think you need to read the scroll... you need to know what isnt words. if you use an extremely thin scanning device you can see what is blank and what is not by establishing a control for "blank" from what you already have. You need that control because obvious environmental factors have left the paper tainted. once you know whats blank you can see whats not and thats your text.

[@sky.the.infinite]

This hurt my brain to read 🫠

[@KatV1Beta]

Think about it like a puzzle of all blue balloons except for one red one- once you know whats blue​, youll know what isnt blue can only be red. @sky.the.infinite

[@me_1792]

Instead of reading the black lines, You read the white space

[@ronhall5395]

Too many just don't care. I found all of it fascinating. Especially the part about not having managers that.micromanage. I can relate. I was hired into a small company from a huge corporation. I was excited about being able to work more efficiently and not have five mangers to answer to. I was assigned a project that was six months behind schedule. In breach of contract and facing lawsuits. I reviewed the progress and was astounded by the huge number of technical blunders. Tooling was wrong. Tooling takes four to five months to rebuild. I asked my boss what the priority was. Deliver prototype hardware or deliver technically correct prototypes. He just looked at me like I was crazy. He explains that we can't lose this contract. Whatever it takes. I did what I felt was best to keep the contract. I talked to.the Engineers at the customer and we agreed on what was needed now and when the " real " parts were needed. I looked at schedule and came up with a recovery plan. At the large corporation, this would have taken six months to get done. I did it on a Saturday morning. Showed our contracts guy, and the customer was happy with it. Bottom line, elimination of micromanagers that know nothing about the technology saved a multimillion dollar project. Me, not much. I got a pay on the back then asked why I wasn't working more ( unpaid) overtime. I just flashed my wedding band and told them, " I have a family" . They were not happy. They felt I was lazy coming from a large corporation.

[@hectorjelly]

Great interview, I really enjoyed this.

[@Aedonius]

There is a project to digitize the Vatican Archive, but they are extremely slow. I'm sure it would speed up if some people would throw money at them. Also, I wouldn't doubt it if they have quite a few scrolls that they can't open.

[@apollograyling-hastur3995]

The church might be a little apprehensive about letting just anyone have access to the knowledge they have. And if someone threw money at the project they’d likely do it with the stipulation that they get copies that they can do what they please with.

[@kabetharatnam5846]

Why though? Why be apprehensive?

[@B-_-Wild]

Does money really need to be thrown at the Vatican?!?!? I mean c'mon that place has so much money 💰 for so long its unfathomable... as a very minute example i just watched the docu called "Vatican girl" & it tells how they laundered dirty money thru frances oldest family bank that was known to help with such activity & gets caught up in a diff simultaneous scandel decades back that exposed all thier highly questionable accts held within, such as the local mafia who dwells in that same area as the Vatican & essentially the docu goes into great lengths telling how the two groups engaged and had entangled monetary situations that led to the mafia taking a Vatican employees daughter for ransom and or in collusion with top ranking Vatican officials. Making the link to when the that French bank fell & leaving the mafia owed lots and perhaps their dollars getting cleaned thru the church and others & let it be known the church was also using the same cleaning services. But ultimately the mafia felt the church owed them a great deal. To share the summary of the docu concerning the girl, thru a much more recent onlinr leaked document discovery it was shown the vatican whole heartedly knew what happened with the girl & in fact kept her alive for years, despite claiming otherwise. So sad, but no real pinpointed conclusion leading to a body, despite the despair & dedication from her loved ones since the 15 vanished in '83

[@roseg1333]

@@kabetharatnam5846 people can use knowledge for evil and perverse and twist it to their own means

[@roseg1333]

I don’t think money will motivate the church as it shouldn’t

[@Finite8614]

So cool. Wish there were more people like this in the world

[@EthanBaker2011]

New to your content as of today, a short of this video drew me here, excited to learn more.

[@tryI0]

FYI, your channel doesn't show up as a podcast on YT Music. Not sure how you go about doing that, but it'd be nice.

[@DwarkeshPatel]

thanks for letting me know!

[@vanessanascimento2280]

Please, can someone find a way to translate these papyri and after they are translated, can someone create a Netflix with the images where subscribers will have the opportunity to translate and send their translations and compare them with other translators and be able to follow the sending of other newly discovered papyri? This would be better than Kindle! Note: If this idea works, I will come to ask for my copyright.😂😂😂😂😂

[@woophereigo9755]

*_Raise it to 1 million doll hairs, and my programming ass will get on it._* PhD in machine learning, and specialize in exactly what you're looking into in terms of graphics, recognition of pixels, etc. I've got to say, you've overcomplicated this in a lot of ways on the way to find the right process. But I'm proud of you and all the work you've done to get all this data, and to all the people involved. Raise the cap. More people will be interested. If you're lucky enough to find me, you'll find a bunch of my art.

[@Edwin-nl3qu]

35:00 IMO thats feature not a bug. Wall street inherently has more value destructive dynamics in play (driven by incentives set by a credit based system). Tech and especially soft tech has a very different set of dynamics. These incumbents may make a few billion extra each by closely guarding a few secrets but IMO they stand to gain hundreds of billions or more by opening up the tech and accelerating it. They positioned perfectly in terms of scale, distribution and knowhow to thrive in a world where AI is more normal than magical.

[@anirbanc88]

this guy is supercool! learnt a lot, thank you

[@eldermillennial8330]

35:40 This isn’t so odd; when Einstein’s first wife divorced him, he stayed at Fritz Haber’s house for several months until he got his own apartment.

[@mgetommy]

Amazing. How does this have so few views

[@FC-uo6dh]

I just read the article on their website about the winners of 2023. It was fascinating. 🎉

[@lukesmith3283]

Have they been able to digitize the scrolls? We’re they successful?

[@jcay1971]

Such an interesting conversation!

[@fpmoreno]

What happened with the scrolls?

[@zacharyjones7616]

Best interviewer in the game.

[@sanbell6951]

This is like enabling a time machine to go into the past if they succeeed.

[@alexanderschmidt7979]

Can you actually see some translated texts somewhere? I couldn't find anything online besides a couple lines and that they had ne information about platos grave or something

[@onlinealiasuk]

Only a timy proportion of Herculaneum has being excervated. What if another Personal library is down there

[@danielposner676]

To those wondering why this video hasnt blown up…its because these scrolls are t o a s t … a bronze statue, a marble stone, is not a papyrus scroll covered in mud and ash and baked by the heat of a volcanic eruption

[@ozyssah]

yeah but it'd be dope if they do read em though

[@Kimmy1783]

So it’s been a year what’s the update?

[@lisaviglio4984]

Update???

[@gwengwen4535]

Not just a library, records and leans. Deeds and titles. Births and deaths etc.

[@samkaufman1060]

This was so cool

[@blakebaird119]

Did they solve it?

[@emm6724]

I can’t believe how many were destroyed 🙈

[@GoGreenHeating]

LiDAR scan the Villa.. find the lost scrolls.

[@1961Lara]

This is fascinating.

[@larryhand7219]

Maybe there will be a scroll of Daniel that has been sealed. Daniel was told to seal the information up in a scroll until the end of time. Hopefully there is another floor with 1000’s of scrolls and a section with a ton of Hebrew scrolls

[@jvnvcigor]

Took me forever to find this.

[@sandmans1987]

This is great I home we can read them.

[@jamespocaigue]

Would lidar work?

[@Monica-ds8dc]

He doesn’t know if any historical documents about Jesus existed? A quick search would tell you of Flavius Josephus, Tacitus or Suetonius, all of which speak of or mention Jesus in their writings.

[@EmersonSistare320]

All those examples were figures born after 33AD. There is not, to my knowledge, a document mentioning the existence of Christ from the estimated time period of his life roughly 6BC - 4BC to late 20s early 30s CE

[@Monica-ds8dc]

@@EmersonSistare320 but still. People can remember what happened 33 years before. People that spoke with Him were still alive. These historians had no reason to make it up. But the act that Jesus made such a huge impact that people were still talking about him 33 years later is significant in and of itself.

[@maslanman1993]

How many dead celebrities from the 90s are still talked about, and their stories embellished since they died? Lots. Future historians find just a few stacks of tabloids, there you go. There are plenty of reasons to make up stories about "him", Roman historians literally believed the point of writing histories was not just to record but also teach a version of societal decorum and righteousness. They're patently unreliable. Also here's your daily reminder that the Catholic Church and most other established religions are responsible for much of not most of the world's bloodshed and suffering through history! Yay Christ!

[@urisbdbcn]

So cool

[@emilyannamanda]

Incredible!!!

[@GAMEDALL]

Underrated

[@yasseen75]

47:17 Developers developers developers developers

[@angelomontinola1476]

Fascinating!!!!!!!

[@elements970]

This is actually over a year old. There has been no updates and AI is incredibly questionabley involved in the entire process. So as far as 💯 proof of what is in these scrolls....as i said this is over a year old eith no update, and no physical proof as to the contents of said scrolls. Tats the facts. PLEASE, IF I AM WRONG ENLIGHTEN ME. I LOVE KNOWLEDGE BASED IN PROVABLE FACT.

[@polkadottedranger]

Easily searched in Google though. Look for the "Vesuvius Challenge" It's still ongoing now.

[@cchris5958]

There has been. Just Google it, scientific american has an article OR contact the universities and organizations for updates. I am South Africa, and I found scientific journal entries about this project in a matter of seconds. Do better. kNowLdge BaSed in ProVabLe FAcT 🤡 but you are too lazy to do your own research or verify findings 🙄

[@partysuvius]

Is it actual AI or just a program under the moniker?

[@TimothyCho]

Depends on you definition of AI, but it does leverage machine learning.

[@emilyannamanda]

What the 60 minute video of 1.2 million views, but this was made first

[@psylentsage]

Bruh I’m too late I woulda decoded that scroll with the blood of my ancestors 😢

[@BigGeorge389]

That's awesome

[@Haahr1805]

He sounds excatly like cody from Cody's Lab haha

[@DRV13]

Information about dacians

[@MrShennoi]

Full episode: “ Nat Friedman (Github CEO) - Reading Ancient Scrolls, Open Source, & Al “ You’re welcome.

[@665Iron]

A real CEO

[@deusCRO]

copy paste description...impressed

[@rickpereira8821]

I think Nat Friedman's ideas around "efficiency" are far too simplistic. There are no "systems" in the world that are truly capable of thinking and acting in those terms, across organizations, or rather organization-spanning criteria. Because of this I agree with him about the world being incredibly "inefficient". Take the problems of climate change for example: their resolution requires criteria and perspectives that don't exist across governments, business, the international elite, or any other single group or group of groups, so it won't ever be solved.

[@gillieography]

I feel like a powerful entity in Rome might interfere if y’all get too close to reading these ancient scripts.

[@karenpenny3973]

Why?

[@CircleNeanderthal]

You Phoenician

[@nobodyspecial.1312]

Burnt taquitos

[@elbowstrike]

“Thrown away” -- THROWN AWAY WHY WOULDN’T YOU JUST LEAVE THEM THERE This must have been the work of boomers

[@thehvacpoet]

I didn’t see one scroll to even analyze it.. 😆

[@FirefliesLane]

Cooooooooooooool

[@AdBound]

4k views 😂

[@Kimmy1783]

Around minute 16, “find something about early Christianity, maybe tried be something that the church wouldn’t want, I mean, that would be exciting to me!” Really dude? So you have an agenda….perhaps just figure out how to read the scrolls to begin with, what if your discovery proved Christ’s resurrection? Would you then study the Bible as hard as you study other random topics?

[@natfriedman5149]

Sure, that would be amazing

[@cchris5958]

It would be exciting whether contradictory or affirming. Take off your tinfoil hat.

[@das250250]

My bet is there won't be a mention of jesus

[@tamipierce5916]

I bet even if there was it would only be mentioned if it fit the Jewish narrative....!!

[@1961Lara]

This is fascinating.