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[@charlesmartinjr3971]

"This doesn't make sense, but okay." That's a nice summary of this movie. I firmly believe this film was actually a nightmare conjured up by our imaginations. The series ended with Logan

[@33bairdo]

Ended with Logan, with a perfect Epilogue in Deadpool 2

[@Nergalsama01]

Which is still kinda depressing, because Logan is such a downer for the most part. It's good, don't get me wrong, but I prefer to see it as an Elseworlds-story.

[@maybeitsyou1317]

Having been a huge fan of the Dark Phoenix saga in the comics I was so dissapointed by this movie. Truly a wasted opportunity to make something epic.

[@Lucifronz]

Ehh, the movie was fine. You people, like the critics, completely overreacted. I watched the movie literally right before watching this video and I thought it was a bit depressing, but overall an alright film. Not my cup of tea, but it's not even close to the tragedy of film-making you people claim. So dramatic.

[@charlesmartinjr3971]

@@Lucifronz Do me a favor, please. Look up "hyperbole."

[@Snapplemonkey]

You know the emotional beats in the movie didn't hit right, when even Natalie doesn't cry at the "sad" parts.

[@alanjones5199]

the Dark Phoenix Saga was such an iconic comic, story, probably way too big for one movie, too many characters, too many effects (costs), but it was the emotions, the story that was great. In comparison this movie failed on every level, that being said there are worse movies out there & I am glad that you reacted to it :-)

[@JakkFrost1]

To be fair, at least the movie got one thing right, and that's the way in which Jean initially obtained the Phoenix force.

[@Waldorf-2020]

This movie isn't good, but with the way people reacted, I thought it was going to be sooo much worse. I liked the cast, so I'm glad I watched it. I'm also glad I skipped seeing it in the theater. 😁

[@Nergalsama01]

@@JakkFrost1 And that it's actually a cosmic sentient force manifesting as a firebird. It's something, at least.

[@abramrexjoaquin7513]

Here's the TEA. Logan going back to the past retconned the existing X-Men Cinematic universe. Making the Dark Phoenix's plots and twist inevitable. Because those twists and turns already happened in the previous cinematic universes but explored thoroughly and within context. These plots were injected to this movie as a consequence of their timeline shifting and rebalancing itself albeit calamitously. That's why its extremely important to take this movies with a grain of salt as it will follow what ever logical explanation even if it is predictable. Yes including the alien D'Bari as they were in comics in the 70's and 80's coinciding with Cap Am and She-Hulk. And they were the perfect plot additives for the Phoenix force and the way Jean got the Phoenix force is the original way she got it based on the comics. In outerspace.

[@ProtusMose]

@@abramrexjoaquin7513 I was glad they tried to give us something with it, but Phoenix/Dark Phoenix really needs its own trilogy to do it justice.

[@MythicalPhoebe]

I really hope Disney does something good with these characters, because clearly fox stopped giving a crap. It's just so sad because days of future past was my absolute favorite x-man movie, and to see them fall off was a little disappointing. I'll even defend apocalypse even though that one didn't land as well, but I just didn't care for dark Phoenix at all.

Disney obligated Fox to reshoot many scenes.

[@badgaltinginnit]

They better since they're the reason this movie was not great.

[@W0NK042]

At the very _least_ they will make it an X-Men Franchise again & not "Mystique & Her Amazing Mutant Friends".

[@Wico90YT]

@ Fox had to change what they were doing because of Captain Marvel. They weren't really asked.

[@MrPhooey442]

Disney doing something good with characters. Now that's funny!

[@SquiresIsle]

She should announce her New Mutants reaction is coming in March. Then in April. Then August. Or maybe September. Just to line up with that movie's history of being released. 😁

[@a-aronmusic3249]

Oooof 🤣🤣🤣

[@acatwood11]

Same thing with this movie 😂😅

[@W0NK042]

😂

[@takewhataway]

Turns out it was a decent movie. Very different from the others

[@ILikeCHEEZ9]

LOL NOOO. But to make it really accurate she has to change the theme of her channel a couple of times too

[@KazunariGames]

Mystique was killed off early because Jennifer Lawrence didn't want to play the character anymore. That was even spoiled on the trailer. She hated the make up and all that stuff. She probably had a contract that prevented her from leaving after First Class

[@bruno4499]

Lier lier,pants on fire.

[@Dularr]

She signed the multi picture deal before she hit the big time with Hunger Games and Winterbone

[@luisramirez2548]

@@bruno4499 it’s true. She hated the role and they literally showed her dying in the trailers for Dark Phoenix 😂

[@EdgarCarlosDuarteAguilar]

The aliens were supposed to be Skrulls. They changed it because it was too similar to Captain Marvel. The same with the ending.

[@IamNinjaOfNinja]

In short: Disney ruined this movie due to Fox accuqsition

[@AnuarAzar]

@@IamNinjaOfNinja nope, fox did it, this movie was made before the deal was closed

[@IamNinjaOfNinja]

@@AnuarAzar lol okay shows how much you dont know.

[@AnuarAzar]

@@IamNinjaOfNinja shows that I had the timeline wrong, chill, everyone makes mistakes

[@sgsnake2x]

@@IamNinjaOfNinja who cares, x-men back in marvel hands for good

[@KThyme]

"Let Jean express herself and feel her pain." Jean: murders everyone

[@dtester]

That went well!

[@LuminaryNarrations]

Exactly, Natalie acts like Jean is a normal human. Normal human has a mental breakdown we go cry. Jean has one and could kill everyone.

[@headcaptainyamamoto7015]

@@LuminaryNarrations But they decided to make her make a mean face and that's it instead

[@ErikN1982]

Jean could have controlled her powers if only they had picked an actress with a more diverse acting range than "100% of the time looks like she's about to cry".

[@LuminaryNarrations]

@@ErikN1982 jean in comics and in movies is shown to not be able to control her powers and emotions. Charles controls all the x men bc even if they could or couodnt control their emotions. One slip ip ruins it all for the mutant community.

[@brianmcmaster5112]

FYI: Nightcrawler is 100% Mystique's son and its a shame this was never explored. She saved him in tbe last movie knowing he was her son just so you know.

[@SkageXL5]

I wish Marvel had never wimped out on making Mystique his father.

[@Сайтамен]

And Quicksilver never told Magneto...

[@cass7559]

@@Сайтамен yes omg i was so excited in apocalypse i believe (sorry if it’s the wrong movie i’m thinking of it’s early morning lol) when quicksilver was going to tell magneto the truth and then didn’t. it was like someone told me i won the lottery just to take the lotto money for themselves. 😂

[@brianmcmaster5112]

@@SkageXL5 She is his mother, not father. That would have been stuoid.

[@SkageXL5]

@@brianmcmaster5112 Yes, but the original plan was Mystique as the father, and Destiny as the mother.

[@faerieSammy]

the biggest thing about this movie that drove me up the wall was the way they built up peter and erik's relation and then didn't even let the two be in the same state the entire movie

[@greatgolfer23]

I was hoping you would show the best line of the movie: Magneto: " You're always sorry, Charles. And there's always a speech. But nobody cares anymore."

[@eastmanwebb5477]

"These humans are ridiculous." No truer words have ever been uttered.

[@hannahterry6316]

Lmao "you're wrong, it's not the last movie" Cameron's editing is impeccable as usual

[@NatalieGoldReacts]

Haha that was actually text I added myself this time! 😂

[@Depth217]

At this point people were just over the X-Men series and ready for them to join the MCU since the purchase was just wrapping up by the time the movie released. Jennifer Lawrence was completely checked out and you can tell she was done.

[@Blastimal]

Jennifer was never good for the role. Aside from the writing the casting of these films is horrible.

[@marlonclark1896]

@@Blastimal agreed

[@cass7559]

@@Blastimal the casting for young prof x and young erik were done fairly well tho. i absolutely love seeing james and michael together

[@amwfan88]

I thought it was telling that Jennifer Lawrence barely ever appears in the Mystique makeup in this movie. I get that it was so time consuming to put it on, but Rebecca Romijn didn't really take it off outside of X2 and The Last Stand, yet Jennifer Lawrence spends most of the movie just in her normal appearance.

[@Shmurph]

It's funny, Famke and Sophie's Phoenix portrayals almost feel like they belong in each other's movies. In The Last Stand, her Phoenix powers were just incredibly strong and destructive telekinetic abilities that surfaced after years of suppression, while in Dark Phoenix, it's a wholly separate cosmic being of destruction that possessed Jean. So Famke's portrayal of a malevolent and sinister creature taking over Jean would make way more sense with the cosmic entity angle, whereas Sophie's fits the whole "losing control over her powers" thing. It is such a shame that they keep fumbling this storyline though. Inevitably this will be tackled in the MCU I'm sure, I just hope they do it justice.

[@glrasshopper]

It's never really explained, so a lot of people likely got confused about the "solar flare", but The Phoenix Force is a cosmic-level entity that is responsible for burning stagnant/dying planets to allow new life to grow in their place. It is (as far as I'm aware) the strongest telepathic/telekinetic being in the cosmos. At it's core, it isn't evil, just a force of nature. It can bond with hosts, supercharging them, and one of Jeans ancestors was a host which is why she is so strong to begin with.

[@whoiisnicki]

That’s not why she’s strong. She’s strong because she is the most powerful psychic in the universe and also the physical embodiment of the Phoenix if you didn’t know. The Phoenix force is a Multiversal level entity, and even beyond. Its power is second to the creator and is unimaginable by human knowledge. it is a psychic entity on a cosmic scale. It’s the spark that gave life to the universe. The stars, the universe, the sun, every mutant, every being in the cosmos is its children, even the living tribunal bowed down. If the Phoenix dies , space and time would not exist anymore and the universe would fade away for eternity. That’s how powerful it is ❤🎀

[@Mitsu2040]

It's painful how Storm is so antagonistic towards Jean in both this movie and TLS when they're so close in the comics. They really needed to build on that relationship more. But I guess we had to make space for Magneto and Mystique's plotlines.

[@gnomeandgarden6157]

This movie really had the closest version of Xavier to the comics. A lot of fans gloss over the fact that he was such a secretive and manipulative ass to pretty much everyone, and could almost never admit he was wrong, even when his mistakes lead to team/student deaths.

[@Renoistic]

Yeah, it's one of the things I enjoyed about this movie. A lot of people just assume Stewart's version is how Prof X should always be like. Charles has a lot of flaws.

[@PrinceIMC]

The ending of this movie was going to be similar to Captain Marvel which was coming out at the same time. The shapeshifting aliens were going to be Skrulls and Jean as the Phoenix was going to eliminate their ships in orbit. But with the purchase of Fox by Disney they changed the ending and shot the train sequence.

[@wobaguk]

It also shares the same themes of false memories and control as Cpt Marvel, and the visual representation of her phoenix powers is pretty similar to CM too. Unfortunately, the childhood car crash scene is also REALLY similar to the start of Shazam!, which came out just before. This was just a whole mess of bad choices.

[@tyrchtemph1881]

There was also an entire Skrull invasion sequence at the United Nations which was pretty violent and much bigger in scale than the train sequence.

[@tyrchtemph1881]

@@wobaguk Her powers originally looked WAAAY better than Captain Marvels (which was shot long before Captain Marvel entered production). They had spent a considerable length of time for that visual effect and it was the most comic accurate depiction of the Phoenix force on film. I wish they could have kept it. It was visually stunning. I did NOT like the changes they made to her phoenix powers for the theatrical cut. Kevin Feige did not want the visual likeness wasted on this movie, so it was "suggested" that the appearance be changed and re-rendered to be a mysterious "cosmic power" rather than the actual Phoenix force of the comics.

[@takewhataway]

The problem is, Jean is so strong even since she's a child and Xavier knew this. What he did to Jean was the best that he knew he could. But then, he shouldn't let Jean clueless forever. That's the idiotic part and I agree with you. He should've known what are the risk if Jean ever found out on her own The problem with this movie is the plot. So messy and with no core. The only good thing I like from it is how the mutant finally use their power without holding back and kill the aliens freely. We can see their true skills. I think those were really cool Anyway, I agree too with what you said about pie and cheese, that's what intelligent people do. We should enjoy things based on the ground it stand. Even between the same genre or topic

[@cctomcat321]

The problem is they blew this movie already and did a worse job again. Like, why was the Phoenix Force something hinted at in Apocolypse, but now it's in space? Then the whole JLaw stuff. Just let her go if she doesn't want to be there. It shows in her acting, costume and the way they yeet her by killing Mystique.. Then there's the aliens... The 30 years passing but everyone is basically the same age... And acting as such. This whole movie is a.giant mess.

[@shootingreal5945]

But with the trama of the accident and her remembering what she did, Charles was always worried about her reaction..Charles has always known that Jean is mentally unstable so the fallout from that would be horrible..it's not just about Jean but he has to consider his students at the school..Charles hoped that giving Jean a family would fill that void and be enough.

[@tyrchtemph1881]

@@cctomcat321 There was suppose to be a sequence in Dark Phoenix that showed Jean first encountering the Phoenix force as a child (just like in the comics) which would explain why you saw hints of it in Apocalypse. But a lot in the film got scrapped and/or cut down. In the comics, her best friend is killed in a car accident and Jean's powers manifest in an attempt to stop her friend from dying which caused the Phoenix force to take notice and intervene, putting Jean in a coma for a considerable length of time to save Jean's life.

[@Bill-2203]

I love how brutally Nat was taking the piss out of this movie, personally I too found it too predictable but there were great moments especially with Eric… oh look she’s a bird 😂

[@AlexisLopez-pb8ms]

I get what you’re saying Natalie about Charles not letting Jean work through her issues but Jean Grey can be a global threat so it’s really risky for everyone to trust Jean and her feelings.

[@whoiisnicki]

She’s a universal threat

[@rodrigocs1385]

FACT: the screenwriters rewrote the ending because it was similar to the ending of "Captain Marvel" which was released the same year. Jean was going to destroy the alien ships as Carol full power.

[@dracoargentum9783]

shame, I'd have thought if Jean destroyed the ships by hovering in the middle of a fleet and going full Phoenix and having simply her mantle destroy the whole sha-bang would have both hit home her power, and be different than Carol becoming a Humanoid homing missile, even if the end result, alien ships destroyed, is the same.

[@entrydenied]

At some point during development the aliens were supposed to be Skrulls too (Fox also owned movie rights to them) but the rewrites and reshoot turned Jessica Chastain into a vague character named "Vuk" lol.

[@dracoargentum9783]

@@entrydenied “what the Vuk?”😝

[@tyrchtemph1881]

That's partially the reason. The original third act didn't have all the x-men fighting together because of scheduling conflicts as a result of significant abrupt changes made by the studio right before shooting was to begin. So the original cut of the movie was more similar to Captain America Civil War, where you had a much longer battle sequence with the x-men against Magneto's team in the park (just like the airport battle in Civil War) and Jean, Cyclopes, and Professor X in the third act during the skrull invasion sequence at the United Nations (like Captain America, Iron Man, Bucky) before Jean goes off into space to confront the incoming invasion ships. Studio executives wanted that changed to include all the characters together. The problem was that the third act had the largest set piece of the entire x-men franchise. It had been entirely dismantled when they wrapped shooting the year prior. It was too big and too expensive to rebuild to accommodate the executive's changes. It wasn't until a month or so later that they found out Captain Marvel seemed to emulate certain scenes that were previously shot in Dark Phoenix, but because the Fox Studios pushed back the release date....Dark Phoenix was the one who had to change its scenes to make it seem like it wasn't copying Captain Marvel.

[@Rikrik1138]

The problem with both on screen iterations of The Dark Phoenix Saga is that it doesn’t work without the setup of The Phoenix Saga. Without the first part, it lacks the emotional setup necessary to make the second part succeed.

[@avsthvtic]

The half amused "No you won't" at the end is something I love

[@Сайтамен]

"I can't remember last time you were risking something". Literally every movie Charles puts his life in danger, saving lives of other mutants, gets paralysed, loses his powers, his hair, almost dies of overconcentration, but sure girl...

[@dracoargentum9783]

well, in this time line Charles hasn't, and she doesn't have the multiversal awareness we have.

[@Сайтамен]

@@dracoargentum9783 First class, Days of Future past, Apocalypse?

[@garethbattersby]

@@dracoargentum9783 Come on you know that line was just in there for woke points

[@Сайтамен]

@@garethbattersby By the way, the name "X-Men" was invented by Moira, not Charles as more "classified" version of G-Men. And it was Raven herself who gave him the nickname Professor X. So the X has nothing to do with his ego. But even if it was because of him, he deserves it way more than Jean - he made this team, he started the school which he made of his own house, he saved hundreds of kid mutants by teaching them, and he does his best to clean mutants name after the chaos Eric causes. Yes, Jean saved the Earth (so did others), but only after she almost destroyed it.

[@headcaptainyamamoto7015]

And when she said "the wmn are always saving the men in this team" i'm always like "off camera you mean?"

[@Brownie2212]

I think I read somewhere there was a lot of problems with the production of this film. A lot of the cast didn’t want to come back especially Jennifer Lawerence unless they killed her off

[@dracoargentum9783]

Maybe rumors were abounding with the imminent sale to Disney, and worry over who was staying with the franchise.

[@Brownie2212]

@@dracoargentum9783 yes probably a mix of that and the bad reception x-men: Apocalypse got

[@tyrchtemph1881]

Scheduling conflicts meant certain cast members couldn't come back. Jennifer Lawrence had problems with Bryan Singer while shooting Apocalypse (he was often missing in action during shooting or high on drugs) and she also had bad skin reactions to the makeup for the character of Mystique which lowered her enthusiasm for reprising this role.

[@WolfStarbuck]

22:18 - Marvel comics' stories usually take place in New York, because that's where the company itself was. It was very easy for the artists to just go outside for inspiration, and that just became the habit.

[@Nergalsama01]

Ah yes...Dark Phoenix, also known as "X-Men: Nobody even gives a damn anymore because Disney's gonna own us very soon." ._. Two attempts to adapt the Phoenix storyline and neither of them worked.

[@Saje3D]

The one thing I really liked about this movie is they discarded Magneto’s ridiculous, over-dramatic gestures and showed how positively lethal he could be on the ground. He’s one of my favorite villains in Marvel. As long as we don’t get Ultimate Magneto. He is literally a genocidal megalomaniac who sounds way too much like the Nazis he survived. This Magneto really tries to do the best for his people. “Who’s blood is that?” Gave me chills. But, no, the movies have never done justice to Jean Grey. Or Kitty Pryde, for that matter, who was the original protagonist in Days of Future Past. You know, if Marvel Studios was doing that movie, they’d have used a song from the legendary Moody Blues album of the same name, which probably influenced the title in the first place.

[@Melkac]

The phoenix saga was such a good story because it portrayed Jean’s slow descent into madness. She was forced to keep her friends from dying while entering the atmosphere, attacked by a herald of galactus, forced to recreate the universe with every bit of her power when it was destroyed, saw her entire team including the love of her life “die”, fought a reality warper to near death, was kidnapped and raped by a member of the hellfire club, and only after ALL that did she finally snap. The reveal of the dark phoenix was a huge surprise, it was like a jumpscare, you heard someone say “you’re all gonna die” off-panel, changed the page and it was Jean saying it. The blackbird explodes, and that’s the beginning of the dark phoenix saga. None of this is shown in the movies. In X2-X3 she just…fixes a damn and in the next movie she’s already crazy. In apocalypse-dark phoenix she just goes crazy for no reason. Kinda? It’s not very well explained. If marvel studios ever decides to do the (dark) phoenix saga, it would have to be a three movie arc: Jean’s regular life, her being the Phoenix, her being corrupted and turning into Dark Phoenix. It can’t all be adapted into one movie.

[@nagillim7915]

Agreed. It's a 3 movie arc story.

[@RashaKahn]

well we got this instead

[@agentofchaos7456]

That is because this is meant to be an adaptation of Jean's origin story and how she becomes the Phoenix. It was never meant to be an adaptation of the whole Dark Phoenix Saga. Jean doesn't even become Phoenix until at the end of the movie.

[@cloudshad0ws]

Fox fucked up so many potentially incredible X-Men story lines... I don't get it either, the stories are ALREADY WRITTEN. It's like you have to TRY to fuck them up as bad as they always seem to do.

[@nuxxism]

Dark Phoenix is like Death of Superman... For FOX and DC, they were comics so iconic they couldn't get past them and do anything else with the characters.

[@cloudshad0ws]

You should really watch the FX TV series "Legion." It's related to the X-Men universe and Professor X (though saying exactly how would be a spoiler). It is a trippy and fantastic show. More modern and somewhat realistic portrayal of what the type of powers Prof. X/Jean would do to a person's mental health... Show starts in a mental hospital... Legion is considered one of, if not the, most powerful mutants ever. Would be perfect content for this channel and I think you'd love it. The costumes and cinematography are incredible.

[@Deckard-ig4qd]

And it's definitely wayyyyy less predictable than the movies

[@amandadougherty6615]

Yeah the first season of Legion was really good.

[@TCO_404]

I was going to recommend Legion as well. The Gifted is fun, but Legion reactions would be especially awesome!

[@glcspoon5802]

Legion Is The Best Marvel TV Show

[@zanderflank9252]

It's soo underrated!!

[@tomkvideo]

The Dark Phoenix comics are so good...this story is the second time it's been done as a film and it was still a let down. But the scenes showcasing mutant poweres here were great. Cyclops being useful, Nightcrawler saving the astronauts and with that train kill, Magneto using shrapnel as weapons instead of just dropping landmarks on people. And Jennifer Lawrence getting out of her X-Men contract ASAP with that early death.

[@ProtusMose]

Luckily, the first time around, they knew better than to try to actually tell the story and just hinted at it.

[@snowdenwyatt6276]

The original Dark Phoenix comic story line was so good up until the final seven pages or so when Jim Shooter made some late editorial choices. Chris Claremont then spent a year or two undoing what Shooter had wrought and also helped undo some stuff Shooter had done with The Avengers as well. Good times for a comic fan but there must have been some behind the scenes drama at the Marvel offices at the time...

[@Rikrik1138]

That’s because the dark phoenix saga doesn’t work without the emotional setup from the phoenix saga.

[@cass7559]

and jennifer lawrence getting out of contract early 😂😂 hf

[@tomkvideo]

​@@cass7559 it's kind of true though. She did First Class before Hunger Games made her a huge star. Then she noticeably was in less and less blue makeup in each sequel and seemed just over it during the press tour. And then Dark Phoenix she was like "fuck it, this is the fourth film, kill me off asap"

[@KazunariGames]

It's important to note that the X-men films follow two different timelines. There's the "original" one, which is composed by: X-Men, X2, X-Men Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine, The Wolverine, X-Men Days of Future Past. And there's the "First class" one, composed by: X-Men First Class, X-Men Days of Future Past, X-men Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Logan, New Mutants. The films are not ordered

[@doughbafett]

The timelines are completely incoherent. Logan contradicts all of the movies that preceded it.

[@TCO_404]

@@doughbafett Caliban looks a little different, but they still reference the Apocalypse version of the character. How does Logan contradict the other movies?

[@jawbone78]

Trying to follow a timeline in these movies is pointless.

[@lordofninjas1]

First Class actually takes place in the first timeline, as it's a prequel for it essentially, Days of Future Past is where that timeline splits off from the other X-Men timeline.

[@jonmercano1138]

The train fight was cool Jean making Xavier walk legitimately unnerved me S’all I got Go watch the Phoenix Saga from the 90s cartoon

[@SubzeroBlack68]

Interesting fact about MUTANTS in the COMICS: A lot of their powers manifest powerfully when they are kids. So there are a lot of mutant children who accidently kill their friends or family by accident. Like one kid named Kevin gained a "Death Touch" power and everything was dying or rotting away even his clothes. His father came to him and hugged him to comfort him, but he ended up rotting into a corpse in Kevins very own hands. It was stated more recently how Every mutant has PTSD and various psychological Trauma

[@sjtimmer7]

You should have included the part where the X-Men were treated as superheroes at the beginning, and the part of her conversation with Magneto where he is calm and talks about learning not to kill and not to take revenge.

[@ionic_rezz7789]

Thank you soo much for reacting to this. I've been waiting

[@CrazeeAdam]

Remember Nat, the time line was changed dramatically when Logan went back in time, it split the timeline almost. But this is another reason why these movies are so hard to get into past a certain point

[@lokstir4568]

Ya Logan going back in time caused aliens to attack I guess.

[@KikBlava]

So in the context of Days of Future Past restarting the timeline the flashback in The Last Stand never happens so Jean's mom lived in the original timeline, and died in the revised timeline. But even then that scene from The Last Stand was already retconned with Charles walking and still being friends with Eric despite First Class happening in both timelines. XD

[@Angus4277]

Also the "X" is not just for Xavier it is also for the Mutant X-Gene that all the mutant powers are based off of.

[@DanBryanYT]

Think there was a bit of an agenda in this reaction tbh.

[@CrooKed1]

Nat being frustrated with Eric is very reminiscent of Llamas with Hats. “Carrrrrrrlllllll, why would you do that?!”

[@emeraldkoala2]

I thought the same thing. At one point while watching this video I literally said "Eriiiic! That kills people!"

[@benuticone3079]

Charles' meddling, either individually or as a member of the illuminati, having really bad unintended consequences later on is a recurring theme in the Marvel universe and goes way beyond the X-Men.

[@Riful]

You should consider watching X-Men the Animated series next, still relevant and probably the best thing ever made for x-men, also its being brought back soon.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Evolution too

[@Polar_Fighter]

@@ninjanibba4259 evolution it's too childish and after season 1 it's so boring

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@Polar_Fighter lies

[@malcolmmiles3603]

One thing about the Fox X-Men movies is that they have 3 movies that serves as endings. Days of Future Past ends the original X-Men trilogy, Logan serves as Wolverine's and Xavier's (Patrick Stewart's) ending, and Dark Phoenix while being incomplete serves as the ending to the franchise. Also you're not technically done with the X-Men franchise yet, you forgot New Mutants

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Days of Future Past then Logan basically is the accepted canon ending to the X Men movies, Dark Phoenix just sucks ass straight up, there's very little good about it

[@nweditor875]

I just finshed a fan edit of this movie and I can not tell you how great it felt to show it to aunt and gramma and how much they loved it after putting in almost two years of redoing loved your reaction by the way.

[@dinsism]

This film may be a mixed bag, but one thing i love about it, is the score by Hans Zimmer- it's awesome!

[@TheMaskedChef7]

You are so right this was super predictable dialogue and plot wise , it still however has some good elements about it Sophie did a great job and Michael Fassbinder is such an amazing actor also as I said in my previous comment tackling a young night crawler even if barely was nice to see. I also love the message of the movie which is you should always do your best to use your powers to protect rather than destroy.

[@drawgam2946]

Yeah when the writing is bad sadly everything suffers from it.

[@tyrchtemph1881]

@@drawgam2946 The script was basically re-written as they were shooting. Some scenes they shot when there was no script. The director had originally spent five months writing a two-parter script much closer to the source material. The studio abruptly scrapped that (after originally green-lighting it) and ordered the two films to be condensed down into one movie just two months before they started shooting after they were already building sets. Everything was rushed with this movie, not by choice of the creative team. It was out of their hands.

[@ninjanibba4259]

The message was the entire franchise, not this movie

[@TheMaskedChef7]

@@ninjanibba4259 Especially jean Grey

[@TheMaskedChef7]

@@tyrchtemph1881 That's too bad could have been great

[@Tuikkal]

If you want to see a proper Phoenix/X-Men story watch the Phoenix Saga in the X-Men cartoon.

[@crewchief5144]

Doodle-le de doo doo doo. Doodle-le de doo doo! I can hear that intro music and see the spinning around the logo and characters. They can't make late '90's cartoons like that anymore. derp

[@triinomial]

Hi Natalie, I just wanna say I stumbled upon your channel because of your reaction to ATLA season 1. I never got to watch it as a kid, so I just finished it and the Legend of Korra. It has a very nostalgic feel even if you're watching it for the first time I'm excited to watch as you dive into that amazing world futher. But I'd also like to say you've been a good part of my day, helping through a difficult time. When I watch your reactions it feels like I'm sitting down w a friend! So thankyou for your dedication to this channel and your fan base..old and new!

[@imlando93]

In regards to the "friends in high places" I think the idea was that their shape-shifting abilities made it easy for them to infiltrate any organization. Nevertheless, it was stupid and poorly executed. My main issue with the X-Men series with the new cast is that I don't care about them. It feels like none of them were ever really introduced, but just thrown in at some point.

[@tyrchtemph1881]

From what I was told by production crew members, the shape-shifting aliens were meant to be a slight adaptation of the skrull story-line Secret Invasion when Kinberg realized he couldn't do the Shi'ar like he originally planned (written to be two movies featuring the alien Shi'ar empire). That's how it played out in the original Dark Phoenix cut before everything was changed again in the later reshoots. When the two parter got scrapped, studio executives wanted to insert an alien invasion into the story, so Kinberg settled on Skrulls. The aliens were skrulls who infiltrated high positions of the United Nations planning to launch a major invasion attack which would play out in the third act battle similar to Secret Invasion. Then further changes were made as the Disney/Fox acquisition became public. Reshoots were ordered to strip away parts of the film because: 1) it was rumored at the time that Kevin Feige was planning his own Secret Invasion story (which is currently shooting) and the main reason why Skrulls were introduced in Captain Marvel. Therefore, the aliens in Dark Phoenix had to be changed from Skrulls to something else. 2) Studio executives wanted certain changes to the third act (pairing all the x-men together) that couldn't be done in the original cut because the set piece was too big and expensive to re-rebuild. 3) Captain Marvel had 'emulated' certain specific shots from Dark Phoenix ('rumors' were that someone was leaking stuff to Marvel), forcing further changes. The reason why it was poorly executed was because they had no time. They were completely blindsided by the studio and had to make major changes quickly while shooting the movie with no script. The new script was being written while they were shooting.

[@sparrowproductions4122]

No matter how cheesy this film was, the visuals are stunning in my opinion

[@shootingreal5945]

I guess nat doesn't understand that Jean dealing with her pain wrecks whole towns with ease..most comic book fans get how powerful Jean is and that mentally telepaths can be very dangerous when dealing with trama and while Charles made questionable choices this is his field of experience, who else knows more about the mind than Charles? The fact is you can't deal with this the way a normal person does with a few therapy half hour sessions..good grief.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Thing is, Jean is a plot device in these movies, she’s not a character to care about, so of course narratively people are gonna talk to her like a regular person cuz she’s an impressionable character of boredom

[@shootingreal5945]

@@ninjanibba4259 lol..you are right if we are being honest about Jean as a character.

[@ajclements4627]

“Let Jean express herself..” Jean: Flips police cars and kills Mystique…

[@Accolonian]

The Phoenix storyline is one of the most iconic and memorable x-men storylines from the comics back in the 80's and it meant a lot to me. Probably the main reasons I like redheads, to be honest ;) So naturally the story has been brought back many times over the years. The phoenix is a figure of resurrection, so it will always come back. And of cause they brought it into the movies, because whey knew it would draw the fans. Twice, in two different timelines. None of them very successfully. And I think the problem is that you really have to invest a lot of time in a character before them turning bad becomes a great storyline. You want the audience to both really revel in Jeans new godlike powers, but also yearn for the innocent girl you have loved for years to be saved from this destiny. The movies didn't set this up the same way, so it wasn't as effectful. Also a big part of this story is the story of Scott, her lover. In the movies he is portrayed as kind of a jerk, especially in the first series. But in the comics he is the team leader of the x-men (and a very good one at that) and all his main storylines is about the responsibility of leadership. Which makes it that more impactful when he has to watch jean kill herself to save everybody. A part given til Logan i the movies. Scott really got a rotten deal in the movies.

[@marekbarycz4397]

'Nuff Said ...

[@chuckshingledecker2216]

Well said! It's quite the "accomplishment" for such an iconic story to be botched twice. I feel like the original "Trilogy" was off to a good (not perfect) start. X-Men 2 really made us care about Jean but then X3 happened. This one was just bad on all counts. I am hopeful the we will get a good version, but it really should take 10 years to get there, like the Infinity Saga.

[@marekbarycz4397]

@@chuckshingledecker2216 X2 teased Phoenix. It was good. Not faithfull to comic but OK. At least it had more time to build... Apocalypse movie Sophie Turner character ( i don't call her Jean becuse Jean Grey is charismatic character while Sophie Turner is without any charisma ) uses phoenix force. Then we see that Phoenix force is acuired by her in space. Fuck that is lazy writting.

[@joshbull623]

"The women are always saving the men around here" Nightcrawler, Quicksilver and Cyclops did nothing in that space rescue, absolutely nothing. If they didn't go up in space at all then nothing would have changed and they saved none of the women. Even if we discount the other X-men movies, this line was so bad it alone can encompass why I am glad the movie failed. This statement in this very movie was disproven literally less than a minute ago in the last scene. *sarcasm*🤦🏼‍♂️ "Might want to change the name to X-Women" That isn't any more gender neutral than "X-Men" so basically what they are saying is "it is okay for women to do it but not men", get your argument straight fake feminists, is it right or wrong? You don't get to pick and choose. Plus since the men are saving the women at minimum, at worst, just as much as the women save the men, and that was the basis for her argument to change the name then it makes no sense anyway. Can't believe this script was approved. Seriously, all they had to do was actually have the women doing all the work and this scene makes sense but they decide to contradict themselves within minutes of the referenced scene and dialogue takes place. I feel like a 18 year old college intern who wants to be a feminist but knows nothing about the movement nor any actual writing skill wrote this script and if I didn't already write a paragraph I would write out the several other scenes that are just as preposterous. This movie deserved its failure, thank god for international audiences is all these people can say really.

[@Renoistic]

It's just a bad line in a mostly bad movie. It doesn't really warrant an essay... But yeah, in context it doesn't even make sense, I'll give you that.

[@DARTHTAKRA]

This one always bugged me cause of how raven is hating on the name X-Men even though she's the one that came up with it in first class. Also jean is basically a nuclear bomb and Charles was just trying to deactivate the bomb so she doesn't destroy everything. But everyone just says he manipulated her.

[@JBWinter]

To be fair, comics Charles lies and manipulates everyone all the time so it's easy to see why viewers went there immediately

[@tyrchtemph1881]

yeah, that's how wolverine join the x-men in the comics. Charles just mind-wiped his memories and forced him mentally to join. He also mind-wiped all memory of the previous team he put together who had died on a mission. And the cerebro voice was basically an A.I. entity he forced to operate as slave labor for all his high tech gear. He's done some questionable ethical things in the comics, which makes him a fascinating complex character.

[@JBWinter]

@@tyrchtemph1881 At least when Magneto is going to do unethical stuff, he just says "team, we are going to kick a puppy today" instead of lying to everyone about it 😅

[@mechanomics2649]

Thank you for making this statement. People holding two different genres of movies to one another like this grids my gears to no end.

[@melanietesfa]

Been loving the marvel and xmen series so seeing this almost being done hurts

[@njd4291]

I'm so ready for it to be done. They are milking them so much now it hurts. It e to start creating something new. If they can.

[@njd4291]

@@Random-ed2xf Well then. These movies are for the masses. There is nothing that's original anymore.

[@njd4291]

@@Random-ed2xf Okay, I can agree more with not doing live action. I still refuse to see the live action Lion King. That's just blasphemy.

[@XxXDestroyer]

@@njd4291 Well this is the last of these specifically, now that Disney owns X-Men. Now they'll start from scratch with new stories. This will be the first time Marvel gets to make the movies, so I'm curious to see what Marvel can do with them :)

[@njd4291]

@@XxXDestroyer the definition of "new" can be skewed. New to me means, never heard of. Not a movie about Wolverines ex-wife's spider was a distant cousin to the one that bit spiderman. I want new characters, new film style, not to be so predictable that it makes my skin crawl, and the movie franchise doesn't need a joke every 3.2 seconds.

[@Rhodair]

1:30 that pie vs cheese analogy is great; I may borrow that one - also very curious which items rolled through her mind before saying cheese lol

[@TessaxMusic95]

This one had so much potential!!! But you definitely can’t do her story in this short amount of time. I hope they redo the story some day!!

[@brianvalencia7717]

Like they say in baseball, "Strrrrrr-ike TWO!" Lol

[@Renoistic]

I'd love to watch an X-Men show that actually follows the comics, starting with the OG team, then the 80's team, and so on. That way the Phoenix saga would have some real weight.

[@weirds0up]

To quote Deadpool “oh these timelines are so confusing”

[@baeleth]

I was honestly expecting Mystique to die in the previous movie. Jennifer Lawrence was pretty publicly over the role a WHILE before this. I think this and Apocalypse were okay. After the first 2, they just played it safe. Followed the outline. I definitely don't agree with the harshest reviews. We just seem to live in a world where there's great and terrible with no room for just okay to good in between.

[@ninjanibba4259]

This movie still falls in terrible territory

[@baeleth]

@@ninjanibba4259everyone's scale is likely different. Superman IV, Catwoman, and Elektra are appreciably worse than this. If this is terrible, what are those?

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@baeleth 2/3 of those films except Electra people have fun laughing at those films, they are bad But This and Electra are terrible cuz having fun is lost

[@joshhood7624]

You should do a "Tear" list where you rank movies based on how much they made you cry.

[@natesmith7599]

This was the most “paint by numbers” x-men movie. Fasbender does great with what he’s given, but it just doesn’t save the movie for me. The mystique dying was partially because she didn’t want to do the movies any more, but it’s handled so poorly there was no emotion to it. I think you were spot on with your reactions to it.

[@windriver2363]

You should know that this movie had major problems during it's production. It was released just after Captain Marvel, and the alien antagonists were originally supposed to be shapeshifters. It had to undergo last minute rewrites to avoid appearing too similar.

[@brossjackson]

Natalie: "That would be like comparing pie and cheese." Cheesecake: "Am I a joke to you?" Also, enjoy "New Mutants", because you aren't done.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Maybe "Legion" as well?

[@viciousxsam]

the final scene with Xavier & Eric was the best scene of the movie. got me emotional. and the movie was supported by an amazing score from Hans Zimmer.

[@breakwoodhopper6739]

I think it's so funny the writers just forgot jean had the Phoenix force last movie and shows her getting it this movie also the mutant with super dreads is funny as well I would never pick that guy to help me

[@donovansplace]

OMGGG I ASKED THIS ON TWITTER AND HEREEE IT ISSS AHAHHHHHH I LOVE YOUUUU!!!

[@TheMaskedChef7]

One of the reasons i enjoyed Dark Phoenix is that they showed young night crawler and his transformation to the version we saw in past Xmen movies, this movie it's pretty much the only one in the franchise that explored that detail about an interesting Xmen character in my opinion so far.

[@MrHale]

Well, except we never saw the older nightcrawler since the timeline got reset in Days of Future Past.

[@MythicalPhoebe]

Days of future past essentially reset the timeline. It's basically their half-assed excuse to retconn what was already established with the original trilogy. But it works as an excuse.

[@MeesdeFilmliefhebber]

Glad to hear your praise for Hans Zimmer's score! It is by far the best part of this movie (which I still found surprisingly compelling and emotional, despite all the bad dialogue and wooden direction). "Reckless" and "Gap" in particular are real standouts!

[@littlelordfuckleroy3822]

yeah I agree, honestly I don’t hate this movie as much as everyone else and I’m not really sure why 😅 but you’re so right the score goes hard

[@juancarreon6241]

i love how you kept saying what would happen right before, it was so funny watching this

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Too bad the Director's Cut is lying somewhere inside Disney's vault, next to the original cut of THE NEW MUTANTS

[@marlonclark1896]

yep

[@Renoistic]

I'm still pretty miffed about the whole Fox buyout. X-Men 97 was pretty great but I hate the thought of a company "winning" by just buying every competitor.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@Renoistic And firing for meaningless scandals

[@terrysperman304]

Nobody has reacted to, "Fakin Da Funk." It has Rufio from the movie Hook and it has Ashley from Fresh Prince of Belair.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Unpopular opinion: I found Simon Kingerg's direction pretty solid He was able to give the movie an identity of its own, rather than trying to replicate Bryan Singer's direction Unlike Brett Ratner tried to do in THE LAST STAND

[@CrowTRobot]

It's not a good movie and it feels distinctly unfinished (Fox knew of the upcoming Disney merge and reportedly started pulling resources and making changes to cut costs) but I still found moments to enjoy. Kinberg had a vision and tried to make this work. Ratner was a hired goon and it showed.

[@Deckard-ig4qd]

Yeah I personally really enjoy the intro in space, the direct line with the White House, the X-Men working together as a team and being a symbol of hope, etc. You can tell it was going somewhere but sadly had to give up on that vision halfway through.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@CrowTRobot Ratner was nothing more than a director for hire

[@OsSas3]

@@Deckard-ig4qd My exact thoughts! In none of the other X-Men movies I felt the team work (usually Wolverine doing most of the job) so it was nice to watch the space mission where everyone did something. I think the movie falls apart when the aliens come...

[@raelshark]

@@Deckard-ig4qd You made me realize this is really the first time we get the X-Men doing superhero X-Men stuff in these movies. There's a crisis - to the Blackbird! Most of the other movies explored the characters vs the world a lot more, or dealt specifically with Magneto as a threat. Would have liked to have gotten more of that, and probably will eventually in the MCU.

[@prathameshrokade1994]

Movie set in the early 90s , Strong independent female is in a space related accident with an experimental aircraft that results results in her absorbing cosmic powers, she is suffering from memory loss,her mentor is actively lying about her past,she learns the truth which unleashes her true powers and she turns on the man who once was her teacher ,sets out on a mission of self discovery,Oh and there is also a race of shape shifting aliens caught in the cross fire,jeez CAPTAIN MARVEL was a good movie.

[@toob1979]

"Why can't we just let her feel her feelings?" Remember _Logan?_ Do you remember what Charles did to his own X-Men because of his dementia? Jean's several times more powerful than Charles. She's said to be the most powerful mutant ever known. The mental blocks were an imperfect solution (to put it mildly) to the dilemma of Jean's immense abilities. If you want to blast Charles for something, blame him for not making Jean's powers his top priority. The commune is supposed to be Genosha Island. After some horrible things happened there in the comics, Magneto turned it into a mutants-only haven. I forget which superhero movie said it, but it was clever: "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become that which you're fighting against." You see the problems with this movie. The things they don't telegraph from a mile away don't make any sense. IIRC, J-Law told the producers she didn't want to play Mystique anymore, and that's why they killed her... not that characters don't come back _all the freakin' time._

[@wasoha]

“Whatever, I’ll just stop thinking about it, I don’t know.” This is the exact same line of thinking Fox had while making these.

[@JackMellor498]

The X Women line really annoys me honestly. I’m all for strong female characters, but there’s Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor, well written likeable strong female characters who don’t need to directly look at the screen to say they’re awesome and role models or whatever…and then there’s the awkwardness of shoving it down our throats.

[@MikeyfromHayfield]

Mystique dying was my favorite part of this movie. Jennifer Lawrence's fame got in the way of what X-men movies could've been. Hopefully Disney can redeem them.

[@noneya3635]

Exactly, look at the poster, all she did was get her friend to direct so she could be taken out the way she wanted to, and add her fourth wave feminist horsesht.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

People blame Simon Kinberg for ruining the X-Men Sure, he may not be a good writer, but that doesn't mean he's a bad filmmaker He's still a great producer It was because of him that we got FIRST CLASS, DEADPOOL and LOGAN And THE MARTIAN too

[@CaptainAmercia]

We know we Know you comment this on every X-Men video

[@CrowTRobot]

He was not the problem. Fox knew the merger was coming and pulled resources and made changes. They also heard that the MCU was introducing Skrulls and didn't want to do the same thing so they swapped out the aliens and the final battle. You can tell that Kinberg tried to make this work.

[@malcolmmiles3603]

The original plans for this movie before Disney bought Fox. The movie was going to split into two parts and it would've included the skulls, Psylocke, and the Hellfire Club.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@CrowTRobot I knew all of that

[@timetravellerearthx8527]

Jean just evolved in the ultimate pheonix form as shown in apocalypse last fight

[@thehelldragon314]

Always love your Marvel reactions, Natalie. Also, since you are nearing the end of Marvel movies and MCU. I think you're gonna love the DC movies as well. I mean you already know Batman, and I m guessing you know about Wonder woman and Superman. I highly suggest the DCEU movies, which don't necessary follow MCU's formula of humor, but it allows for more diversity of tones for different movies. Here is the list for them in release date order, if you're interested: Man of Steel Batman v Superman: Dawn of justice ( watch the Ultimate edition) Wonder Woman Suicide Squad Zack Snyder's Justice League Aquaman Shazam Wonder Woman 2 The Suicide Squad. Sending love from India! ✌

[@Fugazi2112]

No love for Birds of Prey?

[@lordofninjas1]

Small problem with the release dates, at least here in the US Zack Snyder's Justice League was pretty much the last one on that list to release, with only Suicide Squad 2 releasing after it. the actual release order of the DCEU is: •Man of Steel •Batman v Superman •Suicide Squad •Wonder Woman •Justice League •Aquaman •Shazam •Birds of Prey •Wonder Woman 2 •Zack Snyder's Justice League (which can be argued to be just a super extended directors cut of the original Justice League) Suicide Squad 2 Plus there are other DC movies she should watch as well that aren't part of this Universe like the Christopher Reeves Superman movies and the 90's Batman movies (the Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney ones)

[@thehelldragon314]

@@Fugazi2112 No, no love at all. Not one bit.

[@thehelldragon314]

@@lordofninjas1 Yeah, the Josstice League doesn't exist. We don't talk about that.

[@lordofninjas1]

@@thehelldragon314 you may not talk about it, but it still is talked about and like it or not is relevant to watching the DCEU and such, and thus like it or not should be on the list. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't exist or shouldn't exist or be talked about. It's fine if you don't like the movie, but to not include it on lists and such when it really should be on those lists simply because you don't like it is not the proper way to go about it, like it or not. For future, if you want to do it this way, don't put it in a release order form like you have it now, instead just say "I recommend these movies, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Shazam, etc." and just leave it off that, that way it shows your opinion much more, and also at the same time is not actively omitting things that should be on the list. In other words, instead of saying "here is the release order", just say something like "I think the DCEU is a good place to start with DC movies, here are the ones I recommend".

[@johansmallberries9874]

There actually is a comic where it’s revealed Charles had an original X-men team that he sent to their deaths and he erased all memory of them.

[@3Kings_Industries]

Most X-Men fans know every attempt at the Dark Phoenix saga have been atrocious. But, to be fair, there would need to be a Very liberal association with aliens before the actual saga could be true to the source material. Over all, the First class series was pretty enjoyable. Just, seems like the Dark Phoenix is cursed, and never been done right.

[@davidmcleod5133]

MCU X-Men 1: Team is introduced, Jean dies saving team. MCU X-Men 2: Scott forms relationship with Emma Frost. MCU X-Men 3: Jean returns as Phoenix, turns Dark Phoenix with jealousy (and manipulation, of course), destroys some alien world before dying again (cameo by Guardians of the Galaxy). It *can* be done, it will just take more setup and planning than Fox was willing to give the series. Or I say it “could have been done,” because I think a third try in 20 years would be too much.

[@MatthewMortensen1]

Erik crushing the train car is the best part of the movie.

[@morganspider-manmarvelfan6110]

Who’s excited to see Professor X in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness?!?!

[@marlonclark1896]

i am

[@TheDrexLord]

I love how the mutants we're captured by the M.C.U mutant containment unit

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Regardless of hearing the bad reviews, I wanted to see the X-Men one last time, at least to enjoy the little things Like the sense of individuality and Hans Zimmer's score

[@QazwerDave]

This movie is a parallell universe, spawned from the events in Days of Future Past, not the same universe as the original X-Men movies where Prof. X and Magneto visited a young Jean

[@labrosg1161]

"Why don't we let her express her feelings?" *proceeds to kill people and destroy police cars*. Look, this movie is flawed to the bone, but even though Charles messed up, I'm still with him. He always fixed other people's sh!t and mistakes. And after everything he did there was always someone to complain. I never liked Mustique, half the time she was a murderer and a hypocrite and the other half she kept telling Charles he was wrong without having a better plan of her own. So whatever

[@geekgirl616]

This movie doesn’t even remember it’s own scenes like mystique complains that “the women are always saving the men around here” but Jean is literally saved by night crawler in the previous scene! It’s infuriating!

[@madebycarter]

I applaud your willingness to watch this dreck. Your commitment to your channel is commendable. I still think it’s hilarious they were going to make the aliens skrulls. The skrulls aren’t even an x-men villain. And dark phoenix would imply they should have been the shiar. God that would have been a great thing to build up to. Like an avengers level movie, with the imperial guard and the dark side of the moon. Ugh, such a missed opportunity.

[@cinemappendix1389]

This comment highlights most of the ineptitude of the whole X-Men franchise. They didn't have the patience to build or earn anything, and then they did and re-did a lot of highpoints in a way that doesn't make sense (X2/Origins, X3/Dark Phoenix, Age of Apocalypse...) It would have been interesting to give these movies to James Mangold all the way through instead of Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg.

[@Nick.Georgiev]

Did you notice that the cafe in Paris where Eric and Charles meet at the end is called "Les Vieux Amis"? The old friends.

[@SpartanShepard]

Three things I thought were legitimately good in this movie: 1) Michael Fassbender as Magento is never a miss 2) The train scene at the end, I thought, was really cool 3) The score. Done by the master Hans Zimmer. He can do no wrong. Other than that it's very mediocre, and not that entertaining. I think Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine are worse made movies, but at least I can watch them with friends and have fun. Dark Phoenix wasn't really fun, and a bit slow until the train scene. I don't think it's horrible, it's not top 5 worst comic book movies, but I haven't seen it since theaters, and don't plan on watching it again unless I do a marathon rewatch.

[@machtwo_]

I like that they finally gave Cyclops a cool ricochet optic blast. in that 1 single scene hahaha

[@christopherkaylor2940]

To quote Deadpool "McAvoy or Stewart? These timelines are confusing"

[@rockyseverino9230]

Why is this movie about Charles just manipulating her? Well. She can destroy the world with her mind And everything he feared comes to pass... This is like the people who say the Jedi council were wrong to forbid Anakin attachments when they were right about everything that could go wrong Never understood those arguments lol, nor people who think Charles is the bad guy in either of the dark Phoenix movies

[@tieganmccusker3034]

23:10 everyone on that subway pike "man ffs I'm just tryna get home from work" 😂😂