Nate Eaton and Eric Grossarth breakdown new bizarre Daybell documents

CHANDLER, Arizona - Disturbing new details and text messages released Thursday indicate the killing of Charles Vallow was planned and reveal more about Lori Vallow Daybell’s extreme religious beliefs.
Arizona investigators say a series of crimes that surrounded the July 11, 2019, shooting death of Vallow was not a “coincidence or justifiable.” Local and federal investigations have also uncovered more information surrounding the deaths of Lori’s two children, JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan, as well as the death of Tammy Daybell, the wife of Lori’s fifth husband, Chad Daybell.
The planning of Vallow’s death
Detectives say the first time evidence pointed at harm towards Vallow surfaced on Nov. 3, 2018. According to police, text messages between Lori and the now-widow of her brother Alex Cox were uncovered after seizing a phone when Cox died. The name of widow and friend of Lori is redacted in court documents. However, it is known Cox was married to a woman named Zulema Pastenes at the time of her death.
Police say that on Nov. 3, 2018, a person texted Lori saying “she was told by God that she is to protect” her. Then in January 2019, a person told Lori, “She had a vision that she could create storms and fire and will have the eye of the Lord.” A month later, Lori texted a person saying Charles was blocking her gifts. A redacted portion of the conversation that refers to causing harm to Vallow follows. In the conversations, Vallow is referred to as a dark spirit called “Hiplos” or “Ned.”
Investigators say Lori believed she was an exalted goddess directed to lead the 144,000 with Chad to prepare for the end of the world. Both Chad and Lori believe they had “extraordinary abilities,” including teleportation, causing harm to others, calling up natural disasters, praying away demonic spirits and having visions.
On June 3, 2019, Lori texted a person saying, “Just got home and got jj to sleep. Let’s go spiritually tonight and work on him. We give the timing to the Lord but we don’t need to relent. This is war.” Then on June 19, 2019, a person texts Lori saying, “Oh and can you meet me at the temple in the morning? I have time tomorrow and we can work on Hiplos.”
Also, in June, investigators say Lori searched the internet for Social Security disability information. Police theorize that because of a message sent to Chad, Lori determined she would receive $4,000 a month in Social Security benefits if Vallow died.
More redacted messages follow, but this time Cox joins in the conversation. In the weeks leading up to Vallow’s death, the unnamed friend, Cox and Chad all converse about Vallow, referring to him as “Hiplos.”
“There is no obvious communication found between Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell to show that he was directly involved with the planning of Charles Vallow’s murder,” police wrote in the document.
Just two days before Vallow was shot and killed, Lori discovered a planned “intervention” from Vallow and her other brother. Vallow had asked Lori to come clean about her relationship with Chad, or he would tell Tammy Daybell of their relationship.
The day Charles Vallow was killed
Around 7:35 a.m. on July 11, 2019, Vallow arrived at Lori’s home to pick up JJ. Vallow texted a person whose name has been redacted that Cox was there, and the person responded that Lori and Cox were planning something. Soon after, Vallow was shot and killed.
Investigators began their homicide investigation and interviewed “all pertinent parties.” During the investigation, police say there was concern about a bullet strike on the ground near Vallow’s body. Investigators were also concerned about the timeline of events.
Read more here: www.eastidahonews.com/2021/07...

[@jenniewade7177]

So if the Chandler Police acted sooner, innocent children and some adults may still be alive today.

[@ernestwilson35]

Exactly what I said. They knew Alex was lying when they performed the walk thru with Alex at the crime scene. They should have went straight to the DA's office. I don't trust police officers. They don't take their job seriously.

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

I don't understand how Alex can shoot someone dead and walk away with NO charges

[@donnacook3079]

I don't understand why Alex wasn't arrested the day of charles' murder...it is not self-defense if you can leave the room to get a gun then return and shoot someone..you have to be intitmemt danger. I feel the police department dropped the ball..if they wound have done gsr test and blood on the sink stabbed and tested..just numerous things NOT handled properly.

[@LaniLanilei]

@@donnacook3079 That is premeditated. First Degree Murder. Lori is charged with Conspiracy to Commit First Degree Murder.

[@sew161]

Yes, they really dropped the ball. Alex had a record as a felon from tasing Joseph Ryan, he had done time for it. Also Charles had gone to the police and told them they were going to murder him. It's more than bad policing, it appears to be intentionally looking the other way. Seems to me one of the people in Lori and Chad's group, Jason Mow was a policeman prior to this.

[@aliciarrrrrr]

I just can’t help but think if the Chandler police has arrested Alex, if nothing else but because their stories didn’t match, 3 people might be alive now!

[@sarahhunter1114]

I agree

[@umbrastar]

They would have found someone else to kill them I think.

[@cindyk8974]

Total FAIL ! Total INCOMPETENCE!

[@lovepet4565]

I know they would be Those 2 should have been detained Questions non stop Tylees And JJ story Separate Then investigate the past of both Charles warning wpuld have connected dots Those innocent people 2 children ALIVE!! Thats huge That officer 👮‍♀️ was flirting From moment one Ohhh you have blue eyes

[@LaEscultora]

if your perceived as a beautiful blonde in Chandler you can easily get away with murder

[@marthasalter405]

I can’t believe it took so long for them to even take Charles’ death seriously and investigate it.

[@bettyir4302]

They wouldn't have if the public hadn't forced their hand.

[@loveforeignaccents]

@Jess Stone But Alex died in Dec of '19, so they should have had access to that phone by beginning of '20, I would think?!

[@cindyshirreffs2099]

Charles was done so wrong, if a woman had made those complaints, surely LE would have been all over them?

[@Heatherbailey1]

The police should have known it was foul play once they learned from the autopsy that the second bullet entered at his ribs and exited in the shoulder area. When was Charles’ autopsy?

[@desertmoonlight2880]

you answered your own question they were investigating it doesnt happen over night

[@tamaracalderon3184]

I'm waiting for the charges against Melanie P., Melanie G., & Zulema P.

[@sambia7295]

Me too!!!

[@robinc6308]

Since this is all "creepsville", I agree, the overly loquacious niece needs her ample head minutely examined. Where did this stream of rubbish come from?

[@nicolmacinnis2855]

Absolutely!!

[@ValorWarrior5258]

@@robinc6308 I think Insurance money was the motive for all of them. Chad, Lori, Melanie B., and Zulema. I would be curious to find out if Zulema, being widdow of Alex, collected any!

[@teemarie5478]

@@ValorWarrior5258 same. I bet she did. She probably killed Alex. They have things people can do that go undetected.

[@SD-co9xe]

The chandler police department should be investigated. They displayed extraordinary incompetence in this case.

[@hoosiernee1993]

I truly think people in the police department are part of the whole light/evil cult poop and that's why Laurie & Alex were never arrested!

[@diannedocherty3816]

Looked like the police in Chandler were still operating in a world where there was absolutely no way to prove that anything untoward had happened…frustrating beyond belief…when I watched Charles trying to persuade the police to listen they, treated him differently..if he was a woman..ie Lori, experiencing this horrible situation..police would have definitely taken care of her…exactly like they did the day of the MURDER 😠✌️❤️🌎

[@PJ-hp3up]

Let's not forget about Charles' sons throughout all of this. So many family members have been deeply hurt by selfish, evil actions of Lori, Chad and their cult !! 🙏💖🙏

[@robinettbanister1236]

I think Chad's sons know more than we know. Chad said his son was right there with him and the others joined later when Tammy died.

[@Star-hk6gc]

You’re right. This must be so very hard in them as well. 🙏🏻😢

[@IrishHoopers]

I'm sure they drank the coolaid too. I'd say they all followed him blindly

[@mand7favs1]

She said Charles' sons, not Chad's sons

[@stacygarrison7991]

Nate, I hope you got a huge raise for your work on the case.

[@shaz8486]

He certainly deserves it ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@kimmyrachelle6880]

“Before we got rid of him” if that isn’t a admission I don’t know what is….

[@queentalks3073]

exactly

[@annfisher3316]

Kay and Larry's prayers have been answered. I hope this gives them some solace and they receive justice. RIP Charles 🕊🙏

[@MortgageGirl7]

Amen 🙏🕊🕊🕊🙏

[@sandyfields678]

Yes,broken hearts...🤒🤒

[@sandyfields678]

No one mention daybells kids in this..how did they escape..or bet they planned it later,if all are zombies??never understood all of it,actually..but they had a great hawaii vaca...and so hapi..cant blieve they are so,so dumb,blinded by ins money,they could get away with it....lori must be a temptess,wow..look at her in ugly orange jumpsuits,hair matching...why she's playing off nuts,to stay out of court..get her makeup,and hairdresser,she will recover,and new clothes....bet me...😁

[@maggiehogland1891]

Sure would love to see TV news stations parked in front of Janis Cox house, Summer Shifflet’s house, Melanie Gibbs’ house, Melanie Palowski’s house, Zulema Pastenis’ house and for sure Julie Rowe’s house. Bombard them with questions every time they walk out the door!

[@tamaraperras9853]

I am with you. I am so angry that Chad and Laurie and Alex carried on as if they had the right to kill these innocent people! Heartbreaking!

[@spongebobsqueeze]

They would have to wait outside Julie Rowes car. Lol

[@tamaraperras9853]

@@spongebobsqueeze LOL! Truth!

[@maggiehogland1891]

@@spongebobsqueeze 😂😂😂. Right!

[@losscookie7053]

That sounds good

[@elizabethturner7992]

Nate Eton....a mentor I see. This man is returning us to true journalism.

[@doobygelman5454]

Nate is great however there are many excellent investigative journalists, you just need to seek them out NYT/ Boston Globe/ Washington Post are a few examples

[@NrthrnKnght]

@@doobygelman5454 ahhhhhh ...no, all are liberal rags

[@doobygelman5454]

@@NrthrnKnght Respectfully agree to disagree

[@amymac41890]

@@doobygelman5454 I agree!!!!

[@K-OnTheCase]

Truer words were never spoken! This is the way journalists should be… Present the facts, and allow the viewers to draw their own conclusions! I trust & truly appreciate Nate & his teams excellent work on this truly tragic case! 👍🏼

[@carakao-young1485]

I wonder how the Daybell children will react to the electronic EVIDENCE that their dad planned their mom's murder? It will be interesting. I feel for Tammy and Charles, so innocent. And Charles' bio sons.

[@paddypaddy7276]

That’s what it’s going to take apparently with them still supporting him. Unbelievable!

[@bopeep4663]

Yes so sad.No one mentions Charle's Bio sons much.

[@nicolmacinnis2855]

Chad had a multitude of people believing all of his BS. To the point children and others were murdered because he said so. His kids will believe anything he says, sadly.

[@imasheepbahbah3591]

@@bopeep4663 Yeah it’s sad they seem to have been forgotten and it was so horrible and bizzare the way she broke the news to them

[@robinettbanister1236]

Wonder if Emma is smirking now.

[@sjohnston725]

Sounds like Lori's mom has some explaining to do 😄

[@sambia7295]

I agree! Her mom looks like she has been spaced out for a while also, and it is evident that both Lori's mom and sister both lied.

[@teemarie5478]

@@sambia7295 absolutely

[@LaniLanilei]

Yep she does. Enabler. Lori can do no wrong in the mind of mommy, and Lori a narciccist to be, not nipped in the bud, is allow to grow and blossom. Chad told her things that made her feel special beyond human existence. She is a god with position and power. She have angels at her command. She can take life at will because she hears from God who instructs her. She is his warrior. She with Chad, will be leading the 144,000. I guess Lori and Chad never heard of Jesus. Obviously Lori and Chsd have no clue what Jesus taught about the Kingdom of the heavens and the 144,000. Truly this woman was brainwash by Chad. With the type of personality she has she is vulnerable to manipulation too. All she is is religious delusional. My opinion only.

[@robinettbanister1236]

Janice Cox is a kook

[@NrthrnKnght]

summer is going down too

[@meticulous_pickulous30]

Poor Charles. He seemed like an overall good, loving family man. I can’t imagine the pain that Kay has been through, but I’m glad that they are going to be held accountable. I feel like this stuff is so crazy it would be unbelievable if there wasn’t proof. Hope they fry

[@teemarie5478]

Absolutely, Charles was with Lori’s brother Alex the night that Alex assaulted Husband number 3 “Tylee’s father” he assaulted him with a stun gun. Isn’t it ironic that Alex then kills Charles. They can claim religion all they want but I feel like they were just straight murderers. I think Lori & Alex murdered husband #3

[@ReallyBarb]

My first thought... Kay having to be told that her brother was let lay on a hard floor to die, for a long time..until he bled to death. And shot at after he lay on the floor dying. That poor sister.

[@emilinebelle7811]

That’s rough.

[@maritfaye212]

Amen Cherish🙏❤️🙏

[@meticulous_pickulous30]

@Hilary Dilary absolutely. I know that having lost a lot of my family back to back the last few years I began to have major anxiety and anxiety attacks and the more I tried to conceal it and keep it to myself it began to manifest itself in physical sickness and I ended up in the hospital and almost died. I hope that she’s able to lay it out and grieve soon

[@karenhummel49]

Great job Nate. Please stay on this horrific case! So many innocent murdered 😢 you were the one who chased the two grim reapers to Hawaii and exposed the missing children! Thank you. The case may not be as far along without you! Justice for Charles Tammy Tylee and JJ! Justice and some kind of peace for Kay and Larry Woodcock 🙏❤💙🙏

[@winstonsmith8597]

I was going to say similar comment. Nate is a true investigative journalist

[@pammmmm]

Grim reapers lol 😂🤣🙄🙄

[@marysawyer4041]

Thank you . Lori needs to face the music .

[@marysawyer4041]

Suffer the Consequences for her horrific actions . 🙏🙏

[@lisas8244]

The "Julie" is obviously Julie Rowe, Chad's nut job religious associate.

[@ReallyBarb]

And sisterwife

[@jocelynhaeberle1401]

Right? Who else?!

[@paitesmith9133]

Of course it’s her…. But EIN can’t say that cuz she’ll sue them.

[@user_angelmum]

I was surprised Nate didn't know that .. It seems obvious

[@emoliver80]

Right, I just commented the same thing. Doesn't that implicate her somehow in this case?

[@Luv2LuvEm]

Also, I think the "Julie" in the documents is Julie Rowe.

[@aj3250]

Ugh, I just realized it too and got chills.

[@tjkasgl]

Agreed!

[@skylerthecreative2164]

100percent.

[@texasgina]

Definitely

[@tjkasgl]

@Jess Stone Julie R and Chad worked together as leaders in the cult. Julie had a series of videos declaring Chad innocent and that he most definitely had the children safely hidden away from abusive grandparents. She explained they were partners. She deleted them pretty quick when it the videos attracted the police to her door

[@sweetcin777]

Gosh, if they can teleport how can they be imprisoned? Hmmmmmm

[@nancybrowning3380]

lol

[@dawnlizmc]

🤔on star trek, if I recall correctly, the teleporter didn't always work correctly...beam me up scotty!

[@mamashanshan2772]

It should be like a magical trick, ppooofff be gone!! Hahahahaha!!

[@galaxyglitterlatte4664]

@@dawnlizmc Yup. They are still trying to work the kinks out. 🤔🙄😏

[@dawnlizmc]

@ExposingMiLabs firewall!

[@eleanoraquitaine2966]

Big fan, Nate. Keep up the great journalism sir!

[@questioningcat7949]

So Lori’s family knew. They knew all along. And they go on tv to defend Lori? They are all culpable in these murders, in my opinion. I hope we will see charges to Zulema murdering Alex to cover up their evil schemes?

[@davidbennett9691]

Yes. Her family and her friends. My fear is that this whole cult is much larger and this is the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

[@questioningcat7949]

@@davidbennett9691 I’m fearful you may be correct.

[@jojofromcocomo6429]

I have never believed a word that summer and Janice said , lier's and terrible people.

[@losscookie7053]

I wonder what they have to say for themselves now that everything is out in the open . They are very SHAMEFUL people. Such sadness how can they live with themselves what a CREEPY family

[@bettebyrd]

She quickly turned states evidence and got immunity….she’s a witch! I believe she is also a serial killer. She’s been married 5 or 6 times! She was friends with Lori before any of this started!

[@dianironfeather7785]

They could teleport but they are still in jail. They can make dark spirits go away, but apparently they have to kill you to do it. Right...

[@Char209]

This is the hilarious part. They think they are translated beings with special powers. The devil is having a field day with these two!

[@sew161]

It's crazy that you don't hear the truth much, definitely the devil at play.

[@danadane9287]

Absolute morons... ugh..

[@cheatednomore6430]

@LogicianTenderstone 💯👍 I wish they had prayed themselves away...👹

[@MariaSilva-xz6yg]

Right!

[@Investigativebean]

If they could pray away demonic spirits why couldn’t they pray hard enough to help these people instead of murdering them? How convenient.

[@miragedesert8405]

The Arizona police let her go and several people may still be alive had they done a better job investigating.

[@peatyxxjxxx1494]

I think it’s strange that police who are usually suspicious of everything didn’t think it was strange that after Lori and Charles just got into a fight that her brother who is visiting would just stay home with an angry Charles and not leave with his sister Niece and Nephew. It also doesn’t make any sense that after someone just threatened you with a bat that you would then go to your room and retrieve your gun. He could’ve stayed in the room and called police but instead he goes back out to a hostile situation to intimidate Charles. The police should’ve caught that his life was never in immediate threat if he had time to go retrieve his gun.

[@tamaracalderon3184]

They were "smitten" is what it seemed to me. Even when she was in the station giving an interview before Charles was murdered, when he was trying to force her to get help, the cop acts like he's going to ask her out.

[@mushypeasplease8872]

On one of the police videos I saw recently it shows the responding officer making that point to the detectives when they showed up at the scene. He said "he (Alex didn't stay in his room and call us". Sounded like he wasn't happy and wanted Alex charged but the detectives and higher ups are the ones who decide that.

[@jmev.4732]

I always thought it was terribly suspicious she would leave them fighting and take Charles rent a car. To know now she had his phone as well...Seems to me it was a setup. He was probably already dead when she left the house.

[@Heatherbailey1]

Yes! So glad to hear some thinking going on. And no one should assume that Alex fired the gun just because he said he did.

[@dianealarcon8304]

Takes his keys, so he can’t leave. Takes the phone, so he can’t call 911, and can snoop his calls and texts. Some how forces daughter to lie about the baseball bat. It’s amazing how a narcissistic psychopath plans, manipulates, and rationalizes; and finds a partner that thinks the same way is bat-crap crazy!

[@indicadreams5919]

Perfect timing 🥰🥰Justice for Charles,Tammy, Tylee& JJ

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

Fantastic job, Nate and Eric. Loved your analysis of the documents and so glad there is finally going to be justice for Charles.

[@idahowild1a578]

Thanks so much guys. You’re doing such a professional job keeping us up to date on the seemingly endless bizarre happenings with these people. 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

[@judichristophersen7238]

What happened to Alex how did he die ?

[@Minnastina]

Lori was laughing at the cops thinking... "Thanks for not arresting us for murder u stoopid cops!"😡😡😡

[@annedrury1748]

The two cops who responded to the scene and Alex was not hurt from a baseball bat to the head had they investigated and called detectives maybe the children would be alive. Those cops effed up and should have been fired never to be a cop anymore.

[@wilhelminathorne6654]

No no no. "Priesthood holders" in the police. Men rule. Soo sad.

[@Nahessa]

Im not from Idaho but I love your interviews. Lori is honestly the grim reaper hiding behind religion. She honestly makes me sick .she had the gall to kill all these people but she can’t face the court pretending to be Incompetent 🙄🙄🙄 rot in jail chad and lori

[@uwewinkler2820]

she basically resumes court can not do nothing to her and she plays all accordingly . something wrong since beginning

[@amandalovestrey]

Lori was buying flip flops with Charles’ money as he lay dead on the floor by her command. Despicable!

[@jojofromcocomo6429]

But why did she need flip flops, did they run out without shoes , did they get blood on their shoes leaving the house ? So many unanswered questions still

[@tamaraperras9853]

@@jojofromcocomo6429 interesting thought.

[@bettyir4302]

She had a black pair in that room just feet from Charles.

[@tamaraperras9853]

@Jess Stone Absolutely. Why didn't the police follow thru!!!!

[@tamaraperras9853]

@Jess Stone oh, that makes sense! Thank you!

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

This is why I subscribe to East Idaho News, even though I live in Europe. Nate is a fantastic journalist and has broken so many stories about this awful story. Julie Rowe is the 'Julie' in the papers. She is a nutcase who had many books released by Chad Daybell. She was excommunicated by the LDS Church because of her writings. She claimed to have visions. Julie thought Chad Daybell would make her his wife once Tammy died. If you Google her you will find videos of interviews showing her strange beliefs.

[@foxibot]

Yeah she’s a crazy one. I would worry If I was her ex husband since she said on YT she “dreamed” he would die. It’s funny though reading comments n her videos. People mock the crud out of her.

[@Leolioness44]

Please keep in mind that at the time when Laurie was accusing Charles of being an extramarital Affairs she was in fact involved with Chad daybell. Apparently the one who gave her the list of people that had become zombies. Chad also gave them a rating of light or dark spirit

[@losscookie7053]

Yes I believe she was the only one guilty of the extramarital affairs

[@imasheepbahbah3591]

They always deflect when they are guilty…. accusing the other of what they are doing to take the negative attention off theirselves! Charles clearly loved this woman in spite of everything so highly doubt he was having an affair as he wanted to work things out with her.

[@pattimessenger6214]

When Lori moved to Rexburg and the police came to do a welfare check on JJ, Lori told the cops that her husband (Charles) and her brother (Adam) wanted her dead for her life insurance. So that is another whopper she told that was something that she herself had done.

[@wisewillow5731]

They would have gotten away with this if it weren’t for all the following crimes and the massive publicity and stories on KZbin and Nate’s work etc.. I believe there was a crime ring around these people, life insurance fraud thus the 30 plus burner phones.. I think there is likely 10 or more people involved that have not been charged yet in my opinion..

[@jojofromcocomo6429]

Janice , Barry, Summer, Melanie, Melanie , Zulema, David, Ian, Jason m ,Julie, Christopher P. If not more .

[@jimgriggy3257]

Kay and Larry are the ones who started all of this while looking for JJ. They kept calling the police to do a welfare check and then persisted calling everywhere trying to find them. Nobody knew anything prior to them

[@ReallyBarb]

Yes, Zulema and Lori's parents work the life insurance scams

[@daetyme998]

If Kay had not called for a welfare check on JJ, who knows how much further this would have gone.

[@sandyfields678]

What,more stuff i didnt know...when is court..

[@anitar2928]

It’s great how Nate coaches and mentors Eric. He’s in good hands!!

[@bluedragonfly5]

Hiplos means 'to release from a spell' in tagalog (Phillipines). I think Zulema is Philippina.

[@Heatherbailey1]

Interesting. They wanted to “do hiplos” at the temple. Doesn’t sound like a nickname, but an activity.

[@breneganmcnulty6324]

@@Nonameforyoudangit You do realize you can be Filipino and live in South America right? that being said i have no idea Zulema's background.

[@bluedragonfly5]

@@Nonameforyoudangit Phillipines language is based on Spanish. I'm guessing she named him Hiplos.

[@texasgina]

Wow we never heard Charles confronted her. I always wondered if he had. This is such a great video. Thanks Guys

[@tamaraperras9853]

I have got to believe that this is hard for both of you. My heart breaks for the reporters and family members that are having the accept these facts. You have my complete respect, Nate and Eric. God Bless You. I believe that you will hug your family a little harder this evening. Take care of yourselves and personal spiritual health. T

[@marysteelman6534]

Wow. Two years. Time for the truth to surface. Thank you for keeping us informed.

[@galaxyglitterlatte4664]

I think with each murder they committed, they became more emboldened and more confident they could get away with all of this. Evil idiots.🙄🤮🤢😒

[@alisasewell]

She keeps asking to be called Mrs. Daybell. Mrs. Daybell was MURDERED. Don’t give her that respect … even IF it may be her legal name, she stole it.

[@annewandering]

She does not deserve the name Vallow either. Lori no last name.

[@alisasewell]

anne Pelton the only last name she deserves is one I wouldn’t repeat

[@francescawilliams8177]

@@alisasewell witch of East end? Or the devil’s concubine

[@alisasewell]

Francesca Williams haha! My mind went a little darker. She is just the embodiment of evil.

[@edgeann9028]

@@annewandering Lori the black Widow Cox. They should Call her by her maiden name. She doesn't deserve to be a Vallow or a Ryan (because she did something to him too). Plus she'd seeth because she "values" being married so much. 🖕Lori Cox

[@jojofromcocomo6429]

So this just proves the fact that in the 20 some minute phone call between Lori Chad and Melanie Gibb when Lori said to Melanie you will be held accountable for what you do know. Which we all knew that Melanie Gibb has known much more than what she's told.

[@Kay-fv7cw]

Julie Rowe???? This just shows so many more were involved in all these murders. They need to go ahead and charge Chad and Zulema because they were directly involved in Charles' murder.

[@bomeister335]

Just wow. Julie Rowe maybe? And then there's Joe Ryan, what about justice for him?

[@shelliefrazier390]

I was thinking Julie Rowe also.

[@yearight7956]

It will all come to light I believe. I even think she killed Alex. Once she had Chad she didn’t need him. She is a LUNATIC. She did a decent job of acting normal to cops but her appearance helped. I hope they put these two under the jail.

[@rochelle5266]

IMO Joe Ryan was the 1st victim. It was only 6 months before Charles. Lori was a serial killer before hooking up with Chad. Alex was her pet ready to do her bidding. Melanie & Melani are up to their eyeballs in criminal behavior. Hoping for conspiracy to comit attempted murder charges for Brandon.

[@yearight7956]

@@rochelle5266 I agree. My question is if they got away with it all, who was next? Chads children? Or her extended family? I don’t see them settling down and just being content when their Armageddon didnt come. I would love if they honestly told us. Such crazy, evil cowards.

[@rochelle5266]

@@yearight7956 that's the million $ question? My guess would be someone who questioned or disagreed with Lori and she could have a life INS policy on. I wonder if its the same INS agent or company for all the victims?

[@TheMillicent333]

Much gratitude for this update!!! Y'all are the bestest!!!

[@ericahensley0]

The first video on KZbin to talk about the papers! Yay! Thanks for going over these. Helped me get a few more things that I didn't understand.

[@KATIELAUGHTON]

Thanks for all of your investigating on this case Nate!!!

[@gingerartist5601]

Nate, you have done such a great job covering this case! I also want to applaud you on how you appear to be mentoring Eric. What an outstanding man you are! We appreciate all of you, Nate, Eric, and Justin for all of your genuine and hard work following this case.

[@FuzzyDoxie]

Nate I remember when you interviewed MG and how excited she sounded when her talked about hearing that Tammy died. Like happy excitement; it was so strange. They were all in on what was going on. No one did a thing to save anyone. How horrible! And I wonder about Chads neighbors death ? How many people died around them?

[@misslaceej]

Great job you guys. You are making all of Rexburg proud by reporting and keeping us here locally and outside of our community properly informed as this craziness has unraveled. I'm more impressed with you and the humbling hearts of Kay and Larry then anything else in regards to this case. Thank you.

[@waterfirerock]

Thank you!!! ❤ It would have taken me HOURS to read through these documents and try to make sense out of them!!!!❤❤❤

[@cremebrulee4759]

Very well done. Such a complex case, and you explains it so well. Thank you.

[@lionswimmer4637]

Thanks for this, Nate and Eric! I hope Nate (and team?) gets awards for his stellar reporting and great demeanor.

[@mariaskinnider115]

It’s a disgrace Chandler police so flippantly decided Charles death “murder” was taken at face value and self defence was decided. I hope the whole force is being investigated because some of them are either in on it or they let go the biggest female serial killer of modern times.

[@Occams_Razor489]

Once they are done with Lori and Chad they are going for Melani Pawlowski. They’re going to fry the biggest fish first

[@karenhummel49]

I hope you're right. Melanie should be held accountable too!

[@idontcare1481]

I hope so

[@leahvogelsimpson]

Both Melanie's

[@stephaniefreeamericancitiz1489]

Oh yes they are....and she'll Lose custody of all her children....

[@sinjyn66]

No if they already had evidence on Melanie they would arrest her and turn her against Chad and Lori. They presently have nothing but might collect info in upcoming trials.

[@DM-ed9os]

This is legitimately the most bizarre saga You can’t make this stuff up. I hope they succeed in throwing the book at them both. 🙏🏻

[@sarahodams1833]

My prayers and thoughts go out to Kay, Charle’s two sons and to Colby, the more we learn the more sordid it gets…. I’m more disturb by the fact that not only was Charles shot twice but they let him suffer slowly dying…. For over 40 min’s…. Oh and don’t forget Lori laughing on body cam and then to have a pool party the same afternoon is just sick and beyond cold.

[@factualbreakdown3072]

I thought it was "Nick" Schneider. Not that it matters, Nick, Ned, NUTS. Listening to Zac Cox, he said that Uncle Alex was always "a weird guy" and "off," and I don't know if it was Melanie Gibb, but someone said that Alex was so gullible that the Chin had him convinced that his mission on Earth was to protect his sister and his niece. Gibb said that the Chin was the one who "assigned" Zombie status. So it went something like this: Chad deemed someone "dark," and dispatched "Warrior Alex" to "vanquish the Zombies." Anyone who interfered with the happiness of Blonde-zilla and Melani P., including Charles Vallow, Tammy Daybell, Brandon Boudreaux, Tylee and JJ were deemed by the Chin to be "zombies" who had to be "vanquish." All I care about at this point, is whether the State can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Alex Cox didn't act ALONE. Listening to these texts being read, i.e. Blonde-zilla's words about "before we got rid of him," she's DONE!

[@carakao-young1485]

Lol The Chin

[@Char209]

Nice job summing it all up. The Chin is the mastermind over blondzilla and the vanquisher.

[@swampophelia2098]

I remember them saying nick and not Ned

[@kelseymariel2127]

@ExposingMiLabs Thinking by niece he was referring to Melanie P. They were going to dispatch her husband Brandon B to free up some life insurance cash for her and get her full custody of her kids. I don’t doubt for a minute that Black Widow in Training wasn’t in on it too.

[@colettepalin7555]

My god poor Charles

[@Peaceshiet812]

I feel so sorry for Charles, it must have been like a horror movie, trying to persuade everyone what was going on & not being believed, or taken seriously.

[@Peaceshiet812]

@Charmed Life Good to know !

[@dot-to-dot]

If they had the power to pray these dark spirits away why were they killing everybody that they accused of having one?

[@sarahhunter1114]

💥

[@USNGrayGhost]

well one has money tied to it and the other does not appreciate your question very smart indeed knowing it was rhetorical just couldn't help myself thanks for your comment mrs long

[@kelseymariel2127]

BINGO!

[@dot-to-dot]

@@USNGrayGhost Mrs Long. Who is that?

[@USNGrayGhost]

@@dot-to-dot my name is mrs long,,, thats how i sign off on a post or comment thanks for your comment mrs long

[@RLS1]

I also wonder how Tammy Daybell's kids feel about this new info with them discussing their mother's zombie status?!

[@dakalodk]

They are complicit those kids. They will support Dad to the to the end.

[@RLS1]

@@dakalodk 😢

[@SnickasBah]

@@dakalodk I saw them on 20/20. Goofballs in denial.

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

Thou shalt not commit adultery Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife Thou shalt not steal That's five out of ten commandments BROKEN by Chad and Lori, in Jesus's name.

[@iffyangel3380]

They broke EVERY commandment!

[@kelseymariel2127]

Thou shalt not put strange Gods before thee

[@BethAllen]

Nate and Eric, thank you for all your hard work.

[@Sunset-chaser777]

Redacted: Zulema, Melanie 1, Melanie 2 As far as sister Summer & her mother Janice- I’d love to hear their explanation for blocking Charles Vallow’s cry for help. This new evidence implicates Chad, too. Wonder if he’s heard the news, he’s probably in quite a snit wondering about his own iCloud and Gmail accounts… RIP to all of their victims.

[@Laura7835_]

The thought of this just made me snort out loud 😂

[@okeydokey3120]

They believed Lori when she told them that Charles was trying to take the kids and other things. They thought she was a good mother, and I think they tried to be loyal because she was family. I'm sure this whole situation has been very difficult for them, especially because they've had to accept hard truths about someone they thought was good.

[@Sunset-chaser777]

@@okeydokey3120 In my opinion, that’s not a rational line of thought. “Family first” doesn’t mean ignoring destructive behavior…quite the opposite. Lori’s destruction started way before she even married Joseph Ryan. I

[@okeydokey3120]

@@Sunset-chaser777 yes, I agree. I have personal experience with a close family member who suffered from mental illness. It slowly just crept in, it seemed. She was "eccentric" from a young age, fun and funny. She was a great mother, like a super mom. Over time, her condition deteriorated. If you didn't live day in and day out with her, you might not notice the changes. She was my daughter. I know the heartbreaking reality, but to this day there are family members who defend her and saw nothing wrong. I'm raising her four children.

[@okeydokey3120]

@@Sunset-chaser777 I'm definitely not arguing with you! I'm not defending anyone, just saying sometimes there's another side. I wish people would have seen, recognized and acted on the warning signs. I was able to do so in my daughter's case, and I think her children are alive and well because of it. She was going to take them into the secret tunnels in the Arizona desert to keep them safe.

[@driveinfan1955]

Been waiting for an update on these documents. Thanks!

[@sherrigilson7276]

Thankyou for going over this .

[@1962pjh]

Eric and Nate, you two are awesome!

[@dhutchinson2781]

Zulema is up to her eyeballs in all of this and she got case immunity??? No wonder she asked the Detective if she was under arrest at hospital when Alex died. She knew what she was involved in was illegal!! Do you think she batted her eyes at LE and got the Immunity?? Thank you Nate and Eric for a wonderful job explaining what happened today!!!

[@bettyir4302]

Winner winner, chicken dinner. That's exactly why that was the first thing out of her mouth.

[@dakalodk]

I think she got immunity in Idaho nit Arizona

[@dhutchinson2781]

@@dakalodk WOW, I think you’re probably right.. She sure lawyered up quickly!! I don’t think anyone knew how involved she was in all of this horror.. How do you explain to your adult kids the dead man in the bathroom is really your stepdad??? What a deadly situation these people put their families into..😮😮😮😪😪

[@barbsehestedt6894]

You guys are amazing!!! Thank you so much for the explanation!! Mind blown!!

[@jillianlee950]

Quality coverage and discussion as always. I have been following this case since concerned family members started asking about the whereabouts of the children. You continue to be the primary resource I turn to for this case. Thank you for your continued dedication to covering this story and great reporting!

[@nwad3322]

Thanks for the update.

[@spongebobsqueeze]

If Lori told Chad the insurance beneficiary was changed before we got rid of him ( charles) doesnt that imply that chad was part of the we and involved?

[@sambia7295]

I agree!

[@nicolmacinnis2855]

Bingo!!!!!

[@USNGrayGhost]

yes had the same thought.. thanks for comment mrs long

[@jmev.4732]

Yes, but it could be argued that the "we" was Lori and her brother or other(s).

[@famousamos1]

That was told to Chad 7/18/19 a week after Charles died. But think about this is that Chad increased Family's life insurance one month before she died. So maybe Chad learned this from Lori about life insurance before they get rid of someone.

[@jodievukmir3187]

Nate do not go defending Miss Melanie Gibb trust me she's in it

[@karmaticapsiquica]

Agree!

[@Misssssysparkles]

Agree they are all in it including Melanie Gibb

[@cwdforgood]

Yes but when he interviewed her it seemed that he believed her even then, and I’m like maybe Gibb could have helped save the children…….

[@jodievukmir3187]

@@cwdforgood he never asked her the hard questions... He never asked her why she left her autistic son and other children

[@cwdforgood]

@@jodievukmir3187 I agree

[@therosarylady]

Incredible breakdown, thanks Eric and Nate!

[@paisleydreamzzz]

Thank you! for the walk thru

[@tjkasgl]

Julie Rowe. She was posting videos defending Chad when they were on the run to Hawaii. She is tied to their cult and was convincing backwoods Missouri Mormons to sell their property, give her the money, as she was telling them she has visions she was to gather them to live in tent cities. My friend was caught up in it and all the people were moving onto her property. Most of the Ward was involved in following Julie Roe

[@castaway2680]

Where in Missouri

[@23Josilee]

Thanks, did not know this. Another one of those things that somehow never get's let out, or squelched info.

[@tjkasgl]

@@castaway2680 Paris

[@tjkasgl]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6PGpZd3g8eIf9E Found one of Julie's videos about Chad

[@sew161]

People seem to think this is over somehow. I believe it's just beginning. This is a long term game for them.

[@1970karenleah]

They seemed to actually call up demonic spirits thinking they're doing the opposite. Fools

[@bopeep4663]

Thank you so very very much guys for keeping us in the loop!!! Amazing job!!!

[@rayvnsroost]

I wonder how with all this now coming out how all this stuff can also relate to Joseph Ryan's death.

[@sandeedriver1941]

Sounds like Loris family, Chad and that zulema had waaay too much time on their hand. I bet a dollar not one of those people had a job.

[@jojofromcocomo6429]

Oh they had jobs alright Z was a professional cuddler and also was a predictor of earthquakes. Alex was the Hench man of the family. Lori's job was to find Rich husbands. But a real paying job where they take taxes out and you get a paycheck every week or every two weeks no they didn't have that kind of job only those kind of jobs were held by decent respectable people like Charles and Brandon.

[@ValeskaTruax]

One of Lori's brothers sided with Charles, along with the brother's son. They were going to do the intervention, but Lori's mother and sister sided with Lori. After Charles was killed they still sided with Lori and ostracized the brother and the son. At that point, the brother and his son were scared Alex was going to kill them too and they immediately left town.

[@bettyir4302]

@@jojofromcocomo6429 All the while poor Tammy was working her fingers to the bone to put food on the table, pay for Potato Head to travel to meetings and pay the monthly premium on her life insurance.

[@karlachilders1145]

@@bettyir4302 I agree. Tammy actually worked and brought a paycheck home while potato head(haha I love it) did not work, claiming to be an author when what he truly was was a cheating husband who was plotting his hard working wife’s death. And I bet anything that it was Tammy’s paycheck that was paying the premium on her own life insurance

[@dakalodk]

They all never held proper jobs

[@kyrieteleison3009]

I think a whole lot of people are fixing to start singing like a canary.

[@Curious-Irish-Angel]

Nathan 👏🏆👏 You are always the first to come out with the latest updates and information. You have done an exceptional job with your reporting and interviews on this twisted, awful and disturbing case. Hopeful you will have offers or you should definitely consider a new career investigating in the true crime arena. Either for an established cable channel, Court TV...OR Shoot for the stars and start your own podcast/KZbin channel? Thankfully the dots are finally being connected in this case. Justice will soon follow. Cheers from the Windy City 💚🤍🧡

[@angelbogart539]

Following with great interest. Thank you for all the stellar work y'all are doing.

[@sovietchampagne]

I am a 24 year old graduate student from Toronto ... I love the style of reporting that has come out of East Idaho News surrounding this case. It sets an admirable standard, and the dignified tone of the reporting is reflected in the way I have seen people engage with it. Thank you for your coverage.

[@alongfellow4147]

What does being a grad have anything to do with this?! Way to toot your own horn for no reason

[@barbnauman705]

Great job, men! Thanks for this in-depth look into this case!

[@idontcare1481]

Thank you!

[@kellykelly7747]

Great reporting!!! Thank you.

[@christysmith2807]

Great job You continue to be the best source for these cases.

[@colettepalin7555]

Wait til Means watches this!! 😂😂😂

[@karlachilders1145]

Hahaha I didn’t think about that!! Means will flip his lid!! He’ll bluster into court saying he is going to charge Nate and Eric for maligning his client/future wife!

[@meredithmackenzie7856]

Thank you so much for all your hard work.

[@eliza448]

Thank you for all your reporting

[@mamabear9618]

You guys are the absolute very best!!!!! 💜💙💜💙💜💙💜💙

[@BostonSarah]

Great Job, Guys!!!! Thanks for summarizing all of this! You guys are my go-to for all things Lori and Chad. Watching from Boston, MA!

[@1wynner]

Thanks for the excellent info!

[@tonyat8699]

Thanks guys, great work

[@juliemarshall7913]

Hi Nate & Eric.

[@justanothersmith6012]

If Lori is continuing to express these beliefs, it might be the reason she’s been determined to not be competent.

[@imasheepbahbah3591]

Only problem is I don’t think they really believe this stuff it was just code words for working out their evil plans for insurance money without others being able to decipher what they were talking about….. except we figured them out! This is all about greed and lust and they used religion to hide behind to justify what they were doing! I hope ALL the players get charged/convicted in this sick twisted scenario! Justice for all the ones whom lost their life due to their evil games as well as the one whom almost lost his life! More lives could have been lost so let’s thank God that what has been hidden in the dark is coming into the light now!

[@1suitcasesal]

I'm sure that you are right. A judge needs to step in and declare her competent at some point. Competency can be decided by a judge.

[@whathappenedtomyYThandle]

And a good point. While everyone seems to see this as a slam dunk, could in fact be used to bolster a "not fit for trial" stance since courts theie don't recognize an insanity plea.

[@Marnarose4433]

Thank you gentlemen!

[@Calverts399]

Great job Eric and Nate. Thanks for the update.