The LONGEST Sonic Controversy is OVER

[@Nativefall]

Shipping...

[@jayceallen6530]

I only like ships if they look like they will be/ or are canon. Mostly though, not always

[@sonichiperjogos4985]

But Sally left Sonic....

[@possibly_ben]

delivery

[@StardustBullets]

@@sonichiperjogos4985 their ex’s 😔

[@michaelthefurrycat2093]

Nice video dude 👍 you put that ship too rest!!

[@hydrocityshark]

I think Sega’s reasoning for not bringing Sally back is because it would declare Shipping War II.

[@iceman92211]

Or maybe because she’s naked which makes a lot of sense

[@ikram1572]

They're not bringing her back since they never made her in the first place.

[@iceman92211]

@@ikram1572 yeah that makes sense as well

[@Toy_freddyofficial1]

It could also be because sega doesn't want her back and I'm glad I don't want her back either and i don't ship

[@Howardpower679]

Sonic team doesn't even know she exist LMAOOO

[@comicfan1324]

Yeah I’m sick of shipping wars in general. I enjoy SonAmy, but there’s nothing wrong with people enjoying other ships. Shipping is meant to be a fun fandom past time for the individual, not a stressful argument.

[@dayvonlouis5187]

Shipping wars often ruin fandoms and in some cases ruins the source of the fandom as well

[@dayvonlouis5187]

@LennyFelly on a technicality you’re correct but given the topic itself you’re also incorrect

[@SilverXTikal]

Well funny seeing you here 👀 I totally agree tho

[@JR1cktheSk3tchy]

sometimes shipping can be a bit risky you might be shipping a child an adult

[@SilverXTikal]

@@JR1cktheSk3tchy IMO I ship as if they’re as old as they literally are in out worlds term. Like Amy came out in 93 making her technically 29. But then you could include that she was 4 in 93 so also technically she’s 33 👀 cream should be like…. Idk in her 20s by now? But that’s just me tho. If we’re speaking canonly? Yeah that’s a slippery slope

[@AlexSzubka]

i am the 1% that never cared for sally. i always thought her design didn't fit the sonic design for some reason

[@magicvenus2755]

Same

[@TomaxY9YT]

Same

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Because only the males are nude and Sally is going full frontal so that makes her a he...

[@FattyTheSheep]

Same, I just didn't find her to be a very interesting character lol. And she looks off Compared to Sonic

[@supergamermike1]

Same

[@TheLsp2011]

The thing I care about, is the fact that Amy’s character is so much better now. Honestly I do agree with your take on Amy sort of becoming the new Sally. A strong leader, who is willing to take on as much responsibility as necessary (hell up until Jewel came in and became the Director of the restoration… Amy was literally doing everything for that organization)

[@asscheeks3212]

Though that does make it morally confusing, like the message is " if you cause division, change everything about yourself"

[@crimsonzone8984]

Idk. I kinda miss Amy being a secretly magical girl that opens up to others. Know she just seems physically strong without supernatural abilities. I don't mind her strong leadership. But she just seems physically strong as knuckles, which I am not satisfied with. People might call this growth and maturity, but it kinda seems forced and inconsistent like how pariah695 would put it. We definitely don't need Sally in the canon. But maybe she could work as silver's companion from the future. Making her a robot from the future could work as silver's big sister robot figure.

[@murasakirenea9290]

She got justice!!!

[@georgetorino62]

I would prefer Amy's personality and role in Boom universe than replacing Sally's anyday. Amy does to have her own role on it's own,that would made her better as a character.

[@justice8718]

@georgeetorino62 Boom liked Amy for who she was and respected her character more than an immature love-interest for Sonic in the original Japanese material. A big part of Sally’s appeal was the maturity she had with Sonic and the maturity Sonic must had with her. And how they walked in two different worlds. Boom Amy was an athlete who had their own parkour entirely (because she wasn’t the fastest thing alive). Sally was a mastermind and a sneaker who was very vulnerable. Amy in the games was simply a weak-hearted character despite her great strength. Barely having an identity anymore due to them not understanding why the fandom likes boom Amy and Sally, and seemingly didn’t make any fights over that.

[@colony30sshittyproudbanner]

There is 3 ways to end a shipping war 1. Everybody grows up and gets tired of it 2. People respect each other's opinions 3. "What about all of them shipped together?"

[@markofthewolvessucks8930]

Option 4 : Make all the ships non canon Option 5 : new ship and make it canon Option 6 : hate all ships Option 7 : all of the characters stop being friends Option 8 : kíll óff all the characters lol

[@colony30sshittyproudbanner]

@@markofthewolvessucks8930 unfortunately, option 4, 5 and 8 won't end a shipping war. 5 will create a bigger war, 4 won't matter because most people still ship even if it isn't confirmed and 8 they'll just ship their ghosts together somehow

[@markofthewolvessucks8930]

@@colony30sshittyproudbanner you got me there lol. What about the option 5 I edited rn ?

[@colony30sshittyproudbanner]

@@markofthewolvessucks8930 5 would potentially make people more upset, but then again... usually the only way for a shipping war to usually end is for people to grow up and realize "other opinions are 100% allowed and I shouldn't slander em for it"

[@desenhosanimados2010]

​@@markofthewolvessucks8930yeah, sonamy is canon on the games and cartoons, so the people should stop supporting sally acorn, because she isn't interesting,useless,annoying and out of place to sonic

[@jeremyknight9980]

I remember the whole SonAmy vs Sonally fights, to this day it's one of the dumbest things I've seen people fight over. In the end none of it matters because Sally's not even canon to the games and now only exists in outdated media. Amy's love for Sonic has taken more of a backseat. To me, the only reason why people ship characters is because they want to see them bang.

[@kieranstark7213]

I feel like had it not been for the Sonic fanbase that would cause Sega to match their envisionings of making Sonic look bad for being single and wanting to save lives, Amy and Sally would never have written to want to hit him just because he thinks he’s a hero and doesn’t want them to try to date him without his consent.

[@grimsongreen3217]

I kinda wish there was less fanfiction where characters banged for the ships I like, I just want fluff and relationship dynamics. Luckily I never got into sonic shipping, so, never ran into any untagged sonic smut.

[@carso1500]

@@kieranstark7213 oh Sega wrote Amy to be sonic's love intetest because every hero needs a love intetest, is just marketing that shit sells

[@Power-9Hunnid]

I remember more so with Sally considering you use get "DeviantArt" images with Amy decapitating Sally with axes, daggers, and other weapons. Plus, there use to be a big forum for it on old cites during the mid to late 2000's.

[@jeremyknight9980]

@@Power-9Hunnid God damn! when I was really into reading Sonic fanfiction there would be stories where Amy was written as a straight up horror movie stalker or ones with Sally where she bullies Amy to show that she's bad for Sonic while Amy is in an abusive relationship with Scourge or Shadow. They would have them act completely out of character due to the writer's thinly vailed hate for the character.

[@mrbanks456]

When you mentioned a "twist" I thought you were going to bring up how Sonic CD breaks convention by not having Sonic and Amy get together in the end. Amy's love for Sonic is unrequited. That to me was the most interesting part of their dynamic. Nowadays it seems like she's not allowed to show her affection anymore because so many people thought she was "annoying". It's not like she was one-dimensional either. From as early as Sonic Adventure we see that her personality isn't JUST that she likes Sonic. She's an obnoxious romantic but also a bleeding heart. Her emotional personality has a huge effect on other characters. Her kindness is what turned Gamma good, and she helped Shadow remember Maria's wish. She doesn't need to be a more active fighter to be a better character. Amy's passion is what defines her.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

Exactly. I feel like so many people assume all female characters have to be "strong female character tm" cardboard cutouts to be good characters. Its so annoying.

[@mrbanks456]

@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 At least she was good in Frontiers. Helping a random coco find their true love is definitely in-character for her. Reminds me of when she helped that bird find its family. The only problem was that her relationship with Sonic was never explored like the other characters.

[@GayAndDog]

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT

[@FancyGrlOfficial]

Agreed! When I was younger, I never related to Sally, I saw myself more in characters likes Amy's passion and kindness.

[@michaelcarlton1484]

Amy definitely reached a low-point with Sonic Battle and other similar appearances where she was treated like a yandere. (Granted the whole "no way out of marrying me" from Heroes was probably more just playful teasing and a joke.) Her appearances since Sonic 06 have been much kinder to the character and show that she is more than just a fan. She is a friend and a powerful ally. She's shown a lot of maturity, taking up leadership in Sonic's absence and putting her feelings out of mind because she knows Sonic doesn't feel comfortable with commitment just yet and because she wants to put all of that energy into doing good things.

[@ドラゴンリュー-f1x]

For Sonic fans who make fun of the mario series, remember that franchise ended with the two heroines controversy ending as a joke, and that both peach and Pauline were actually great heroines to Mario. Foolish fans like those who sent death threats to sally and amy have been ignored as mere insane opinions when sent to them.

[@MikayaAkyo]

TBH, until Odyssey i forgot Pauline even existed... ._.

[@wennesvdb7971]

I dont like peach or pauline that much as a mario fan i find that mario has the most boring girl friends i still think amy is cooler than both Sally is cool too

[@ドラゴンリュー-f1x]

@@wennesvdb7971 ...that's what you say That's why Sonic fans are hated in many places. Please stop

[@ドラゴンリュー-f1x]

@ZeroXVA You don't have to mess with anything, it just ends with "That heroine is good, isn't it?" If this is the case with Sonic, then an ugly controversy will start and it will be terrible

[@monke4163]

Bro what are you talking about How did this comment get so many likes?

[@ThatLurkingWeeb]

Still ashamed to say I fought hard in this shipping war during my middle school years and I will never forgive myself for it

[@danieleristavi2491]

Every one has fair shair of regrets i have to soooo frgive yourself

[@darthvaderdylan]

it's always middle school for some reason.

[@kittypeanut4102]

​@@danieleristavi2491 of course you have a Tails pfp /lh

[@Endrgamr262]

Middle school is a time we’re people make bizarre and questionable decisions for me it was cracking open the undertale fandom I have no regrets

[@violettshy]

Same buddy, same...

[@pros_0143]

Frontiers really fixed most of the weirdest side of the main characters. There's what you mentioned about Amy in the video, but there's Sonic becoming less idiotic, not making jokes every 5 seconds, they retconed tails back into the best side of his character instead of a scaredy cat, Sonic and Knuckles look like siblings/rivals now and Knuckles isn't a wooden door in terms of IQ, the new character Sage is really good and Eggman really cared about her as a daughter. I hope that maintain what they did in Sonic Fronteirs.

[@JobiMorkos]

Super agree

[@kiwimations2053]

Yeah we need this kinda story

[@vm141789]

Actually, towards the end of its run, even the Archie comics erased SonAlly from its canon. They kind of built up Sally and Nicole near the finish line, and SonAlly was never touched on again. For my two cents, Sally was always hit or miss for me. I was not her biggest fan, but I also didn't think she was as horrible as some people said. I also found her relationship with a Sonic a bit unhealthy at times, but there was also some good. Honestly, my biggest problem with Sally was just how much they tried to sexualize her back then. That I could've gone without. And my views on Amy are kind of like a roller-coaster. She was cute in CD, and I loved her in Adventure. Adventure 2 had that marriage joke, but I enjoyed her presence overall. Heroes is where we started to get a wackier Amy. I took it just fine in Heroes because the overall tone of that game was lighthearted and goofy, so I just took it as Amy's crush getting turned up to 11. Plus, I did admire her dedication to helping Cream and Big find their lost friends. Sonic X is where I think we truly started to see what would be Amy's character portrayal for the mid 2000s: hot-tempered, feisty, cartoony, but with a heart of gold. This is what I like to call Amy's "anime girl" phase as I feel she really did portray the common tropes of female anime characters at the time, and this would continue in the games until about Unleashed. In Unleashed, Amy is very much her mid 2000s self, but there is some evidence of maturity to her character and her relationship with Sonic. One high point I feel like mentioning is Amy stating that even if Sonic is werehog, she would still love him. It honestly felt like Unleashed was going to be the starting point of Amy maturing. And then the 2010s started. Oh, boy. The beginning of the new decade was clearly Amy's low point in portrayal. She truly became an annoying character in Free Riders and Generations, and her relationship with Sonic suffered as a result. However, I also believe most other characters suffered from the writing of this time. Amy just might have gotten the worst of it (rivaled only by Shadow). However, something rather odd happened next: Lost World. In this game, we see a very gentle and mature Amy, one comforting small animals and even Sonic being quite comfortable around her. We did not see this explored too much because Lost World's story really wasn't told, but Amy's character was certainly noticeable. Sonic Boom, I think, is where we started to see the modern Amy begin to develop: she matured, expressed love to all life, but was also a little comedic. She was also shown to be a leader in Forces (a more mature version of her Heroes portrayal), but Forces couldn't focus on its story for us to really see more of Amy. Then IDW really expanded this Amy. This is also around the time that some people said Amy just became Sally, a statement I don't agree with because Amy could still be pretty whacky and would have hobbies and moments I could not see Sally do. Since then, we've gotten Frontiers and Prime, both of which show Amy as the kind hearted, level-headed lover of life. I've overall enjoyed Amy. Her early 2010s moments left a bad taste in my mouth, but she's gotten better, and I can't wait to see more of her. And Sally... she was okay. I don't think she was spectacular or anything, but she could be solid. I'm not sure if we'll ever see her again (SEGA seems really keen on forgetting about her at the moment), but I'm open to it. If she's truly gone, I'm glad she had her time to shine. My two cents.

[@LunaticoniSolar]

The writers in the end of Archie be like: Nicole became the big gay, like, fuck it, we're gonna have bisexual Sally Lmao. But yeah, I agree with you in everything here, modern Amy isn't just reskin Sally, she still have some moments and characteristics that aren't applicable with Sally, maybe it's because of a little more serious and leadership moments but that's it, Amy still have more potential to be exploited, it's good to see how her modern counterpart is going into the mature path and being expanded.

[@draykohunter6805]

Great synopsis

[@tonyhakston536]

I’m still not fond of her Frontiers portrayal. I can’t feel any passion. Compassion, sure, but passion.

[@darthvaderdylan]

for me at least, i found Amy to be her best when her motives arent sonic related, ironically. Which is why I think the frontiers route for the character is for the best. Also, I would take the end of the archie comics with a grain of salt as it was a soft-reboot.

[@blackavar5723]

Well said. I really like Sally a lot when she's not paired with Sonic, but then again, I'm not sure I like Sonic paired with anyone, (he doesn't seem that into relationships).

[@somepenguin508]

I like both characters and would be fine if by some miracle Sally returned but just not as a love interest. Maybe just give her the pauline treatment. Heck I think Sally would've been a better fit than Rouge in Sonic's group of friends in Sonic Prime.

[@FirestoneAnimation]

Valid.

[@zzplague5680]

In sonic prime that’s valid but a character as rouge that’s invalid route has to be one of the best girl characters

[@espurrseyes42]

@@zzplague5680 Correct. But she really doesn't hang with Sonic and co. much.

[@mohabalserafe3795]

Rouge>>>> Sally

[@ドラゴンリュー-f1x]

When you resurrect sally like Pauline, when you give Eggman a daughter named sage who is like bowser jr for bowser, I'm worried that the situation will be similar to when a toxic Eggman fan cursed her.　 archie hater is becoming as toxic as archie simp...

[@YuzuMelodious]

Yeah, I don't care for the ships myself. I just care for the fact that Amy isn't being isn't being treated like a mere background decoration or as a her old, overtly clingy self back in the Sonic Heroes-ish? days. Oh, and if Sally gets a chance to be in the comics again, I welcome it.

[@SaiyanGamer95]

Sadly, that won't happen, as (unless I'm mistaken) Sally isn't owned by Sega. Nor is anyone from the older Sonic cartoons. Not sure about Sonic Prime or Sonic Boom, though. EDIT: Turns out Sega of America owns Sally, the Freedom Fighters, and several other characters from the cartoon and comic series, but Sega of Japan does not.

[@TheLsp2011]

I doubt any of the freedom fighters will be in the comics. Especially considering the IDW comics are now technically canon (thanks to sonic casually mentioning Tangle in Frontiers).

[@SaiyanGamer95]

@@TheLsp2011 If I may, Tangle and Whisper also appeared on Sonic Dash prior to Frontiers.

[@manoftruth0935]

@@TheLsp2011they can. They just need to wait until Penders kicks the bucket and Archie Comics loses their half of the rights to the characters Penders didn’t steal. The Freedom Fighters are owned by Sega, it’s just that Sega doesn’t want another Penders scenario on their hands.

[@christopherford39]

@@TheLsp2011 um Tangle being mentioned in Frontiers didn't make the idw canon to the games it just means that Tangle has a mainline game counterpart similar to how the main cast have their idw counterparts

[@Amyroseplaysstuff]

I'm more of a Sonamy person (I mean look at my pfp) but I personally think that this war was just incredible obtuse, we don't need to start a decade(s) long controversy over something so small. The Sonic fan base is scary as hell sometimes.

[@JollyNator]

I say Sonic is forever single. The whole shipping war is pointless...

[@TheZombersLMAO]

I was introduced to the shipping wars through Dumbsville It was so funny to view everyone ripping eachother apart over who loves who Some people even went completely insane defending their ship

[@haydenae]

Omg, fellow Dumbsville enjoyer 🤝

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Aaaaye

[@themightypancake5695]

Ahh yes, a cultured individual...

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

oh trueloveheart97

[@NathanSylbreon]

Me and other dumbsville enjoyers convening around this comment

[@VolticWind]

Sonamy and Sonally fandoms in the foreground duking it out The Sonaze fandom chilling in the background not giving a fuck.

[@saragoodman1020]

The Silvaze fans declaring war:

[@humanofearth5178]

Doesn't matter what ship they're shipping War was involved either way.

[@ead0132]

Sonadow fans rn🤨

[@cfruge444]

@@saragoodman1020 Worst part is, before Shadow being a cat lover became canon in the Twitter Takeovers, he'd already been shipped with Blaze. *I've seen fanfiction.*

[@cfruge444]

@@ead0132 Ngl, the comic dubs I've seen are actually pretty fuckin' wholesome.

[@sonichart1364]

Did people finally agree that they’re two completely different timelines? Incredible!

[@mirkohoble]

And one of them got rebuild and canceled... Sallycole deserves better

[@xorcyst420]

thats how I see most sonic media, all the shows are their own universe, unless specified outright, genesis games are all the same, dreamcast are supposed to be genesis era older, but i never followed that in my headcanon, cause the random appearance of other humans, cities and what not didnt make sense lol but yeah they're all their own thing, plus its more variety

[@tonyhakston536]

@@xorcyst420 humans were always intended to be part of canon. The genesis games just all took place on islands.

[@sonicstar917]

@@mirkohoble It was forced and the writer went behind SEGA's back to make it a thing.

[@Gorypaladin346]

@@sonicstar917 and yet not only was he rehired for the idw comics, sega even hired him to work on the games, so please for the love god stop spreading this dumb conspiracy bullshit, your only making yourself look more like an idiot

[@nunyabissness1]

By the time I got into Sonic, Sonic X was premiering. From then, I pretty much randomly experienced the series in random directions. The Canon of the games, shows, comics, and even country of origin until I had become an adult was murky to understand. As kids, we all have a shipping phase. Some of us still do it, but honestly, I just want to see all of the characters I know interact with one another. That might just be deep down what everyone wants. I remember seeing Sally and Amy stand next to each other in the comics recently, and I thought that was really cool. I've come to see the games as the most important canon and Frontiers feels like they really have the opportunity to open the world up, let's see what happens lol

[@pumpkinhead8071]

Sally: "the one sonic character that wore no clothes accept boots.....we all know what Sega was aiming for here"

[@Revkor]

sonic doesn't wear anythign but shoes so dumb arguement

[@pumpkinhead8071]

@@Revkor i wasn't arguing about anything. I was just stating some funny history. Chill

[@LunaticoniSolar]

Honestly, I just wish one day Amy become a great character with a cool character arch like Knuckles or Blaze, for me she always deserved better, i mean, Amy is slowly entering into this path, the shipping doesn't matter much now, i really hope Sega never treats her like in the 2000's again. Edit: Dude, why there's an extensive petty fight about her

[@bakedbeans5494]

2000s was Amy's best decade.

[@zigzagintrusion]

Her in SA1 was great! It pains me to see her (and others) flanderized this way :(

[@donathan2933]

@@bakedbeans5494 hit or miss

[@HellfireLotus]

I will die if they do. Can't stand her going back to those bs ways when Sega couldn't make up their minds

[@donathan2933]

@@HellfireLotus yeah

[@yay29823]

Sonally shipers and Sonamy shipers fighting to death: Me liking both ships:

[@kieranstark7213]

I think they can work just as long as they don’t demand Sonic to do what they want instead of let him do what he wants.

[@sonicwhite91]

Absolute chads above me

[@mr.mirrix]

Me not liking both

[@MyCarnageExtreme]

Sir, you take the win!

[@maas1208]

​@@mr.mirrix Based

[@SaiyanDemon]

I love how you have to bring up the fact that she’s “a naked chipmunk” when almost all of the characters don’t wear any clothes except for shoes 😂

[@ColorInversion]

The females that all wear clothes: 😐

[@volcanicrose7158]

In Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, Amy had let Sonic go when she saw that he was in love with someone else. She even told that woman to take care of Sonic. That proves that Amy will choose Sonic's happiness over her own desires, even though it may mean that he wouldn't be with her. Also, in Sonic Adventure, Amy went in front of Tails/Gamma and (most importantly from two different perspectives) Sonic. She didn't want Sonic to destroy Gamma, like he does with the other badniks, because she knew that Gamma was different. And Sonic listened to her! Amy also went in between Sonic and Silver when Silver was about to kill Sonic. She allowed Sonic to escape as she stared down her new friend, who she thought was a good person. I never been able to like Sally when she is a romantic partner to Sonic. So, I decided to ship her with Sonic's brother from a show called Sonic Underground. I am certain that Sally has some good qualities, but they felt overshadowed by her relationship with Sonic. Besides, Sonic is a free spirit. He is always moving, always traveling. And he always have to go on these adventures. Shouldn't his love intrest complement that? Sally is a ruler of a kingdom, which would have tied him down. Amy loves adventure and doesn't mind traveling. But Sonic and Amy needs a break from one another so Amy can see who she actually is as a person. I think that the main reason why either Amy or Sally where written out of character every now and then is because there are multiple writers trying to write them, but they only see one of their character traits (most likely their crush on Sonic), so those people wrote them like that. Amy stopped Sonic from killing her new friend, Gamma. Why would she do that if she idolized Sonic so much? Yet, no one will use that to try to explain why Amy is a good character. And that is one example that she has. I was never interested in the comics, so I don't know what character Sally truly has. But if she is anything like Amy, there is more to her than her love intrest with Sonic. I am just not interested in Sally to learn more about her character.

[@bluhathedg]

I think we as a fanbase should all let the Sonamy and Sonally ships sink and focus on the one relationship that the franchise is clearly sailing towards. SONAVOK! #readyforzeti

[@Xahnel]

Oh please, we all know Zeena was the only one to show any interest in Sonic. Remember that moment when she thought he was being gentlemanly and charming? She got real perky for a second there before Sonic ran his mouth further. Nah, Zavok has to be into Zor, what other reason is there to keep a depressive poetic petite goth boy around?

[@bluhathedg]

@@Xahnel 😱

[@thegoodmudkip3652]

@@Xahnel and thus, the wars begin anew

[@LeoGaming55]

Who are you and what are you doing in my car

[@gamestar6479]

Ready for zeti, nice 😂

[@chad_warlock]

“Do you really expect us to ship sonic and eggman” No…. Sonic and Mario

[@pikachu7170]

Nah eggman X bowser

[@SoshaPTT]

youre getting canceled

[@CanterlotCrusader]

Personally the shipping doesnt matter to me, but I did like Sally's role as the leader of the freedom fighters. Would be great to see her and the rest come back.

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Same

[@TakeshiInazuma]

Nah I'm good

[@Toy_freddyofficial1]

I would rather not have her back

[@burningember9744]

Part of me thinks she would have fit perfectly into the Sonic Forces plot, but I know Sega would have never done that

[@RifterVix]

Same. I personally like Sally more because she has a drive to keep her people and group safe as well as liberate Mobius from the big bad. Yeah the romance was there but it was just a passing thing between Sally and Sonic but it wasn't all that was centered on, just them seeing each other as equals and fighting for freedom and all that jazz was fun. At least Amy is being less creepy and obsessed and being her own girl. Still can't top Sally or Bunnie Rabbot but still she's decent. I miss Sonic SatAM... where it was adventures and crazy plans with some seriousness to it. Plus missing the days where I didn't understand what Shipping Wars were about.

[@animangasis]

0:22 wasn’t expecting to see my video in there at all 😭 thanks for the recognition! Lmao. Great video btw. I’m a Sonamy and Sonally fan so it’s honestly just comedy for me to see all the arguing over fictional characters.

[@kitsunekayuki]

I'm probably one of the few people on this earth that's not a toxic Sonic shipper. I grew up on the games, not the tv shows and comics like Sonic SatAM or all the jazz. And the first game I played was Sonic CD, which just so happened to debut Amy Rose (Rosy the Rascal as she was known back then) and just thought they looked cute together. I wasn't introduced to Sally until I was like in middle school and a friend showed me SatAM. I saw Sonic and Sally together and it honestly didn't bother me that much even though I have it in my head that Amy is Sonic’s love interest.

[@DrSheldonCrane444]

I’ve been thinking of making a fan game strictly about Sally and the freedom fighters, but seeing as I have little to no experience in game design, I can only hope that my dream can become reality.

[@Kaleidio]

sadly you know who is very VERY hunt-and-takedown about anything related to the comics if you use all the characters. so even if you did, you'd have to be very careful *which* freedom fighters you have.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@Kaleidio Aren't a good portion of them still owned by Sega and their new comics boys IDW?

[@ataladin87]

Why don't you........ Learn how to game design???. That's what I'm doing on Sololearn.

[@Velocity_YT]

@@espurrseyes42 by "good" do you mean, 4 of the characters? If so then yes.

[@evdestroy5304]

@@Velocity_YT All of the original freedom fighters are free to use, including Sally

[@Kazuma_kiryu311]

As a kid, I used to be a diehard sonamy shipper, then I stumbled upon sonic satAM... Didn't bother me really, I really liked Sally so I shipped both but preferred sonamy, only reason I went through a phase of hating Sally and sonally later on was because of the fan animations that portrayed her out of character, then I stumbled upon the comics "wow amy and Sally getting along and not fighting over sonic's love, yay! " I went back to liking both but preferring sonamy (I still do) I love both female characters and hope Sally returns some day. #sonamy and #sonally

[@Nothavinit00]

I'd like to see a canon couple. Especially with that extremely rare/or cut voice line said by Sonic in Frontiers. It took me by surprise when I heard the voice file.

[@zenar30]

What do you mean?

[@firefly5934]

A cut line from Frontiers? What are you talking about?

[@Cromerone]

They mean the voiceline were sonic said that he wishes he would be sharing an umbrella with amy right now. Or the one were he said :" Amy... I wish I would have made my mind up sooner. Just type in sonic frontiers sonic amy voicelines and you find it

[@abigaildiamante9096]

the lines weren't cut though, just hard to trigger cuz you had to stand still for 10 minutes in certain areas to hear them

[@snowbird1381]

It’s interesting cause I used to not care for amy that much. I thought she was too clingy and didn’t like that she couldn’t take a hint. But then after seeing her in recent media and comics, She definitely grew on me as a character. I don’t really care if sonic and Amy end up dating, but I do like seeing them work together like in sonic boom, or in the recent Sonic frontiers and sonic prime.

[@ShadowRaven4287]

Sticks the Badger being your favorite character is an S tier choice and nobody can change my mind, we love Sticks.

[@zigzagintrusion]

I am indifferent on shipping/having the characters in relationships, but if characters _do_ date, then I just want it to be important to the plot or their character. For example, Knuckles and Rouge being hinted at in SA2 added a layer to Knuckles’ character since that stuff would be very unfamiliar to him and would kind of introduce a new side to him. Regardless, SEGA has mandates that forbid characters from dating anyways so oh well lol

[@firefly5934]

The funny thing about Knuckles and Rouge’s romantic tension in SA2 is his character file back in the S3&K states, for seemingly no reason, that he isn't good with girls. Kinda makes you wonder if they were already toying with the idea to give Knuckles a pseudo-love interest back then.

[@zigzagintrusion]

@@firefly5934 I haven't heard of that! I'm going to go read that right now, lol. I wish they stuck with that idea! (I mean, I guess they kind of have in a way.) :( It could've been an interesting thing to explore for him.

[@GremlinTime]

Nah. Knuckles is married to the master Emerald

[@zigzagintrusion]

@@GremlinTime True

[@loiiysailor1177]

yet we have fan service

[@deltaknight2764]

Funny story: I somewhat grew up thinking that Sonic and Amy being boyfriend and girlfriend was actually CANON. I got this idea from the Mario and Sonic Olympic Winter Games DS game, which was sort of my introduction to Sonic's cast of characters for real. When you meet Amy in it, she calls Sonic her boyfriend and Sonic looked apprehensive as usual. But here's the thing: Sonic has NO DIALOGUE in this game, so dumb-kid me thought that Sonic was EMBARRASSED instead of rejecting her. When I watched a couple of SATAM episodes from Blockbuster rentals, I was confused by the Freedom Fighters and by extension, Sally. I was thinking, "wait, where's that Knuckles guy? Why is this chipmunk girl Sonic's girlfriend instead of Amy? Where IS Amy anyways?" I read some of the Archie comics in my kidhood, too, but REALLY out of order and all over the place. So I always thought Sally was just...there, really. When I tried out my first actual Sonic game, Unleased for Wii, I got far enough to see the cutscene where Amy confuses Werehog Sonic for plain-old Sonic. After she left thinking Werehog Sonic was someone else and Sonic looked solemn, I thought Sonic was just hurt that who I assumed was his girlfriend didn't recognize him and there would eventually be a Beauty and the Beast situation later. I didn't get far in the game, though: the early Chun-Nan level with the Great Wall of China was apparently too hard for me. And when I tried out Black Knight next, Sonic getting visibly disturbed over the Lady of the Lake looking like Amy was just him getting embarassed again. I'll tell ya, when I discovered that Amy was actually in a stalker-like relationship with Sonic and he refuses the relationship stuff with her, my stupid mind had to reset for a bit. *TLDR;* Growing up, I thought Sonamy was unironically canon for the longest time.

[@DangerousArmyGuy]

Amy was never in a stalker-like relationship with Sonic though. In fact, nothing about her was a stalker at all. That's just something the American fanbase labeled her as to discredit her and make her look bad. She had to follow Sonic cause she almost is always left out of the adventures he goes on with Tails (and sometimes Knuckles), and Amy just wants to be part of that adventure too instead of being stuck at home and being bored. Amy actually shares a good number of traits with Sonic. Wanting to do what they feel is right, loving adventure, and hating boredom. Anyone still using Heroes needs to shut the bloody hell up already. She was fighting Sonic was only because she thought Sonic took Froggy and Chocola, but it was METAL Sonic while pretending to be Sonic that did that. Also, she never left Cream and Big UNTIL they found Froggy and Chocola, which they did of course. So whoever tried to convince you Amy was a stalker, they were dead wrong about her.

[@deltaknight2764]

@@DangerousArmyGuy Yeah, I figure that's how everyone would react to me saying that. I meant that Amy treats Sonic like her boyfriend, but Sonic isn't interested romantically.

[@sonicwithglasses131]

There was an interview done by sega of japan that said sonic does like her but is shy about it, take that as you will

[@ligtningdog6399]

@@DangerousArmyGuy Like it or not, Amy was, on her worst days, a stalker. People came to that conclusion because that was what Sega of Japan wanted. An old trope of sweet girl that is "secretly" violent. Coupled with how Sonic would be visible uncomfortable or fearful when she's around and her randomly appearing to flirt and/or hug him (or anyone that liked like Sonic), has all the vibes of a stalker. Sega flanderized her character hell at Adventure 1 and kept this a running gag until around Sonic Lost World.

[@yesartz]

@@deltaknight2764 Ian confirmed they have mutual feelings, and it was said that sonic loves Amy but is shy

[@CIRCUSMANIAC]

This video has made me realize that, as a fandom, we should be investing in AMY X SALLY

[@Phillylove100]

I’m purely talking from a games perspective but I always saw it as pretty simple to me. Amy is a creep and a stalker. Sonic has repeatedly and emphatically said no he’s not interested and Amy has repeatedly ignored his protests and pursued him anyway. It’s not cute. It’s not funny or charming. It’s creepy. At one point she literally fought him to try to force him to marry her (Sonic heroes). You change the genders and this is a horrifying dynamic for a relationship. No means no unless a guy says it apparently. Also all that being said Amy from sonic boom and sonic prime are both awesome. No notes.

[@Revkor]

while his and Sally's was fairly healthy

[@jeremy1860]

I've always felt that the best way to handle this matter is to just accept that we're dealing with different versions of the story. Different Sonics, different worlds, different foes and, yes, different love interests. One can be with Sally while one can be with Amy. It's the same way that we can have, for instance, two different animated versions of DC's Robin, where one can get together with Starfire while another can be with Raven. No disputes necessary 😊

[@hydrocityshark]

This is the second thumbnail where Amy uses a crystal ball. The Nativfall lore is coming along quite nicely.

[@thesmstudios3223]

It's funny cause as a kid, I never like Amy or Sally. As an adult I respect both of them, as for the ships, hated them both cause the reason why Sonic stood out from the rest of the Heroes is that he doesn't wanna settle down and I appreciated that uniqueness

[@maas1208]

Based

[@marisolramirez9591]

The editing with the sonamy fans gives me Internet Historian vibes and I love it

[@atavious2491]

As someone who grew up on Sonic X, I saw the 90s cartoons and Archie comics as something that didn't feel like the Sonic I was familiar with. A lot of the times I saw Sally and the freedom fighters, and even Maniac and Sonia, I legitimately felt like I was watching a completely different show that didn't involve Sonic the hedgehog. Sonic, Tails and Dr. Robotnik were the only indicators that reminded that these older cartoons from the 90s were supposed to be the televised adaptations of the video games by Sega. At least for Sonic X (leaving the other human characters aside) it felt more like it was trying to actually be more like the games at most times thanks to the adventure games. Mainline characters from the games I was familiar with.

[@Timmothy_plays]

To me, Shipping becomes incredibly annoying when the shippers insist that it's 'Canon' and especially when they vocally want said ship to be focused on in it's main series. For the shippers that insist it's canon there is no talking to them, they WILL bring out even the most minute, miniscule and even out of context 'evidence' that they WILL use everytime, and they WILL *NOT* ever take any criticism. But for those that want their ship to actually be canonized in the main series like a show for example, what they wish for basically disrupts the entire flow of the show just so it can spend some time showing off this couple, and then episodes or just moments in an episode are made just to do *something* with that relationship which still completely disrupts any momentum the show had. ....... Or to put it simply, the best example being: Ash x Serena from the Pokémon animated series, like, there are Ash X Female for every companion he has had, but wow none are more obnoxious than the Serena shippers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For context, the season she was in, her relationship with Ash was completely one sided from start to finish, Heck for the most part she basically never contributed as she would just follow and stand around Ash and his new companions of that season, infact whenever an episode focused more on her, it was literally just the same story from two earlier seasons with May and Dawn, being guess what? Contests yet again. What I found amusing was that in Journeys, Serena was basically forgotten for most of it even though Ash and Goh had a few Kalos based episodes 'there was even a picture shown in one of those episode that, while it shown Ash and friends, Serena was missing from the picture' And insult to injury the one and only episode she actually shown up in, she spent the entire episode with Chloe, and at the end of the episode it ended on her only JUST seeing Ash as he and friends left on a boat,.. no words between them.

[@FuryanJedi13]

Your first 3 paragraphs tragically describe a number of Sonamy shippers that I have encountered. They use even the most miniscule 'clue' to back up their claims that Sonamy is inevitable, and refuse to acknowledge that it actually WOULD disrupt the flow of the series if it happened.

[@byakuyatogami2905]

I consider myself a fandom veteran. The secret is... You don't have to only ship one thing. You can ship Sonamy and Sonally nobody will stop you. Because of how the universe itself is (games/shows/comics all being sort of separate) different ships make sense in different circumstances. It doesn't have to be pure devotion to something for the sake of it. Just do what makes you happy but remember everyone else in the fandom is also trying to be happy and don't attack anyone unprovoked. Hell you can even ship Sally and Amy if you want (maybe not in the storylines where Amy is 12 tho). But basically as long as everyone is chill there's nothing wrong with different ships. Personally like Sonado here

[@CrazyGreenFluff]

i agree 100% , im a multi-shipper so i never understood the ship wars. i left all that nonsense in my teenage years, but i see people my age --and older!-- still partaking in it o.o i have shipped sallamy in the past, it's cute. my top two ships are sontails and sonadow ^-^

[@azimochaa]

I've recently became multi and it's a LOT better mentally Plus fanart of these people goes hard for NO reason My main being Sonadow but as long as Tails or Cream isn't involved in said ships I see no issue

[@emersonjr4866]

@@jettetheApologist correction, Good suggestion

[@WaterKirby1994]

What's wrong with shipping Tails & Cream? Kids can have innocent romances too, even though Tails x Cosmo got dark by the end of Sonic X because of spoilers in Episode 77. Tails & Cream ship really well together, & Tails has plenty of love interests despite his young age. Multishipping is good, no need to war over love.

[@HEMPHILL23]

Sonic x potato salad....acorn...

[@zigzagintrusion]

Nice job on this video! Edited very well. Definitely subscribed. Also, the slideshow story at 12:20 has to be the most ‘2000s KZbin’ thing I’ve ever seen lol

[@Nativefall]

Man the 2000s was interesting...

[@sproutlynn]

ive personally always been a free-for-all when it came to ships, I think most of them are pretty neat. but I truly think sonics character fits the best with him being aroace. I think him being in no relationship at all is much better than him ending up with anyone

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Same here

[@king_poyo64]

Based!

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

Yeah, that way it keeps everyone happy if he’s shipped with no one.

[@HEMPHILL23]

Me concur....that still doest solve the freedom fighter fascist problem...

[@chimklee]

i feel like the only person that thought sally would've been better than rouge in prime i mean, its a great way to jumpstart the character at least

[@medialeaguesigma6]

I prefer Sonally because I've been a Sonic fan since I was just a little kid since the 90's, And Sonally is what I'm sticking with, Because, Once a fan of Sonic and Sally, always a fan of Sonic and Sally.

[@iceman92211]

Sonally : Sonic and a naked girl

[@narutomaster500]

​@@iceman92211so? sonic is naked too

[@Snakepit_Media]

Me, who sees Sonic being only friends with both Amy and Sally: 👀

[@kieranstark7213]

Me: That’s fine. Sonic can do whatever he wants. He doesn’t need a girlfriend to control him and act like he’s just trying to find every inhuman excuse to forget their dates when the end of the world and millions of people’s lives will always be all the worse and more concerning!

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@kieranstark7213 Edgy much?

[@maas1208]

​@@bakedbeans5494 Nah he's spitting facts

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@maas1208 Just no.

[@maas1208]

@@bakedbeans5494 Bro the truth is that Sonic shouldn't be with anyone, shipping, in general, in general, is just a toxic mess and can ruin things

[@TurboBloost]

I really didn't care about shipping Sonic. Since I only had knowledge of the games. But I must admit that Amy did grow as a character from Unleashed onward (skipping Free Riders because I didn't play it), and I am pretty glad that Amy now is a more serious and independent character than she used to be.

[@bakedbeans5494]

Amy has been ruined.

[@TurboBloost]

@@bakedbeans5494 Whoa... The hate is real.

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@TurboBloost Says the man who falsely hated Amy for what she is, and now loves jer for what she's not.

[@TurboBloost]

@@bakedbeans5494 Yeah, sure buddy. 🙂

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@TurboBloost Cringe.

[@amberpasta9379]

It’s the fact people still have fights to this very day over the ships and which one is “right”

[@Greyscale_Bricks]

1:17 The first rough sketch 😂

[@TrentDan]

I shipped Amy and Shadow because the Tv shows and games keep making her hug him, and he never pushes her off. #Shadow needs a hug.

[@BluePinkLove]

To me, it felt like two completely different stories. Given, I only watched the animated shows of sonic. The first one i watched was sonic x and I supported the Sonamy. Then I searched in KZbin for more sonic shows and found the one with Sally. I supported sonally in that show. They just felt completely different like two separate sonics. Then there was also sonic underground, which is also a completely different sonic. To me, each show felt like a completely different show/ take on sonic and that's why the relationship he had with the characters in each show were fine with me because they were all different sonics

[@doge9693]

I first watched some middle parts of Sonic Underground and shipped Sonic x Sonia before finding out.. yeah..

[@BluePinkLove]

@@doge9693 nooo 😂

[@ad3l547]

yeah I remember the SATAM series, in my memories even if the animations didn't aged well the story was cool as hell. Robotnik really was a threat

[@itsterra9381]

Idk what I was expecting when I clicked on this vid, but it works. A lot of the shipping stuff is... weird, to say the least. A lot of people grow way too attached to characters (i'm very very guilty of this, but I've done better at not doing it) and try to ship every character every which way they can. It makes everything feel really childish and even gross in some cases (if you know, you really know). Best case we can do as a community is acknowledge that there are healthier ways to look at shipping in the franchise and accept that things don't always work the way we want, and maybe that even some characters shouldn't have ships or are better off avoiding most ships.

[@Octi_]

EXACTLY, Thank you

[@WubbaizyShipper1]

You are making me feel even more guilty for shipping Wubbzy and Daizy.....

[@thefizzwizz1662]

That’s cool and all but I think we all know that deep down Sonaze is where it’s at

[@horarybambam8045]

Yes

[@iceman92211]

Until Silvaze ruined it

[@StarzytheHybrid]

While I love Sonamy still, I slowly stopped really caring about there being any ships in the franchise. I'm glad there's a shipping ban on official content. I feel like shipping wars would be reignited at full heat if Sega allowed couples back into the franchise that were anything other than two brand new characters that are very obviously dating or married from the first scene they appear in. And romance just has become an unnecessary story element in the majority of cases to me in general. Its just easier to let all of that go to fanfiction. Ive become partial to deep platonic relationships over romantic ones anyway. I love when besties/found family bond.

[@MasonParkinson]

i absolutely love ur style of thumbnails, they all match and it makes ur channel page look super clean, loved the video aswell, keep it up!

[@Nativefall]

Thank you! Will do!

[@cofagrigusfan24]

and then Ken Penders happened causing SEGA to put up a bunch of mandates, and while times have changed (as only 15 of them are still around) and 1 of those 15, is that not a single character created by SEGA & Sonic Team, is not allowed to be in a relationship (that is why Nite & Don from IDW, are allowed to be a official couple, as they are made by the IDW team, not Sonic Team)

[@thegeth4293]

But they still allow all the sonamy hints from boom through frontiers?

[@cofagrigusfan24]

@@thegeth4293 hints are fine, as long as nothing becomes official

[@doge9693]

Who's Ken Penders? What happened?

[@ShaneDouglas713]

Unfortunately...🙄

[@SaddieMoon]

I like her post-SGW clothes but prefer Sally not wearing clothes. When the males don’t wear clothes, it doesn’t make sense why the girls can’t. So Sally, or any girl, not wearing clothes is just logical to me when there’s no in world reason.

[@superhedgehog6447]

Yeah, I never understood that argument. People act like Sally is human; NO she's an ANIMAL that has fur covers all over her body. The fact people to this day still use that dumb argument is just sad.

[@iceman92211]

Well the reason why it works fine for the males is because there bodies are flat with barley any details but the females has way more details such the chest area and the area between the legs so that’s why a lot it doesn’t work for them Plus at this point every female character is wearing clothes so it feels incredibly awkward to have 1 random naked female character for no reason so that’s why a lot of people hate Sally for being naked myself included

[@SaddieMoon]

@@superhedgehog6447 Technically she is, and all other mobians, are written like they are some form of humans. It’s why I’m fine with Sonic & Elise or Rouge & Topaz ships as both parties to have the mentality of a human, just different species. Same goes for Sonic & Sally or Knuckles & Rouge. (Rouge goes around) Fang is even canonically/as his creator described him, part Wolf part jerboa. But that doesn’t change the fact that there some differences with the culture of your “mobians” and humans. Which involves males not wearing clothes while the females do. There’s still no explanation for why though which is why I would like to see Sally break the mold if we aren’t given some form of explanation for why the culture’s like that.

[@SaddieMoon]

@@iceman92211 Fair, but I just want a in universe explanation.

[@SilverAceOfSpades]

That's why I usually draw the males AND females in clothes

[@thegeth4293]

I said yesterday on your post, and i will say again now. Wait until shadouge vs knuxouge kicks off.

[@mrpenisnose6666]

Or sonadow vs sonuckles

[@thegeth4293]

@@mrpenisnose6666 those have no basis in canon and are a much smaller segment of the fanbase

[@jayceallen6530]

Never got the shadouge argument since they don’t seem to have any romantic or implied things with the two, they seem more like friends

[@thegeth4293]

@@jayceallen6530 i believe the last "canon" hint of either ship is from sonic 06 manual where it says: "rumors are she has feelings for both knuckles and shadow. Thats a love triangle thats sure to throw some sparks" or something similar to that, and in sonic x she hits on knuckles alot and theres some hints knuckles likes her. I personally think shadouge makes much more sense. She keeps coming back to him for help and shes the only person shadow seems to actually want to be around.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@thegeth4293 But did Shadow right a whole mixtape where he not so subtly talks about how hot... sorry, "sexy and smooth" Rouge is and wanting to "feel her in mysterious ways"?

[@amandaslough125]

Sally has always been a great character, and the freedom fighters worked as a means of expanding the cast for multimedia projects before the actual cast got to be properly expanded. The real problem is there's no reason to have them anymore, and when they are here, Sally basically requires the story to revolve around herself. I'd love for the chance for them to come back as a different form. Like, I think they'd be really cool to use to add world building to Blaze's world. Make the Acorn Kingdom be a neighboring kingdom past the ocean that makes up most of Blaze's kingdom, and Sally comes to ask for her help for an external threat from the other side of the map. This would also allow for a rebranded Shade to make a return. She could be another heel-face turning general or a war criminal/mercenary etc that joins them. There's good potential for a spin off series for this.

[@bobi200samatar6]

Ooh, I like that idea. We really don't know that much about Blaze's world.

[@MyCarnageExtreme]

This! I just said the same thing in other comment. The Freedom Fighters were created to be the protagonists of the Archie Comics story, now that world is gone and they don't really need to come back. The soft-reboot made them weaker characters already, bring them to the Sonic World and without all that context they will be unrecognizable. If that's the case, is better just to create new stuff.

[@BerryBeanFoolery]

This was a nice video! I agree with the over all opinions on shipping... Now Id like to know your opinion on individual characters, specifically Blaze the Cat. I love her since release, but I'm curious to see how others view her since I dont see content with her often.

[@przemekptak8489]

Wait,so you're saying Amy Rose is new Sally? Hmmmmmmmm, to be honest,Sally or Amy,i don't care of both. Both of them are in canon best friends (not rivals),so that's why I don't worry about ships battle. If you read this,your video is cool :3

[@josephfrye7342]

uh no sally is the useless character while amy rose is the existed character since japan before it was westernized.

[@jametriusgaston6388]

@@josephfrye7342 love how this comment is proving the video right on how this debate will keep going

[@mrmelonman2893]

@@jametriusgaston6388 facts

[@SweetlyStar3]

In a word, Yes.

[@kieranstark7213]

The only times I would hate them would have to be when they were flanderized into Sonic-obsessed, hormonal egomaniacs.

[@Tanjiro_kamado1800]

Shipping wars have gone crazy in earlier time but now it is in somewhat control.

[@seelko01]

Not sure. I can argue that shipping wars nowdays have become bloodier in terms of what's canon and whats not, and what's problematic and whats not. I dunno, I guess it can depend. At least personslly I don't wish to engage in shipping communities due to anxiety.

[@jazzratoon]

I've always been on Sonamy train in the 2010s, tho nowadays I'm pretty aloof to it, where if Sonic Team makes it a thing, I will live by it as a casual fan.

[@bannerlee9590]

I remember vaguely back in the day I watched that one Sonamy fanfic video which was just 1. Sonic dates Sally 2. Sally’s toxic 3. Sally’s toxicity makes Sonic toxic 4. Sonic says some shit to Amy. 5. Amy gets Sad. 6. Something happens to Amy (she works for G.U.N, gets amnesia, becomes gothic (yes)) 7. Sonic feels bad. 8. Sonic sees Amy 2.0. 9. Amy goes “no I don’t wanna see you no more” 10. Sonic gets the gun/emo glow up. 11. Something happens to Sally (best case it’s a break up) 12. Sonamy wins… the end. And that was peak cinema for me for the longest time.

[@ashesGeek]

This is so 2000's, you just forgot to add Sally committing suicide(Ian Flynn did that in "Other M" and Sonic started making out with Amy after that)

[@bannerlee9590]

@@ashesGeek that would be in step 11.

[@bannerlee9590]

@@ashesGeek I kinda wanna see that for myself. You have a link?

[@ashesGeek]

@bannerlee9590 I kinda misled the whole thing because Sally was actually killed by other character and Amy kissed Sonic only when the planet was getting destroyed, but still Sally's death was just for shock value. Sure, Flynn says that he regrets writing this comic as it's just an edgy fanfic, but that doesn't save him since he actually put most of these ideas in Archie comics(Sally getting killed and eventually robotisized, Bunnie derobotisized and becoming useless, Antoine being in coma with the intention to permanently kill him off). The comic actually has some good parts, but almost everything shows who Ian Flynn truly is, an edgy fanfic writer who never grew out of this phase because fans started appreciating him for destroying most of previous storylines and replacing them with others just to be more in tone with games

[@bannerlee9590]

@@ashesGeek eh… I’m a 22 year old man and I love writing edgy fanfics good or bad. But do you have a link to the series including where the hell I could find that one scene. All I could find was Amy not having much of a roll and Sonic getting with I believe Fiona?

[@bigbrozues5003]

You know, I feel like Sonic and Amy are actually great for each other, after all Amy loves Sonic so much that Sonic actually showed some love for her.

[@chasformer3091]

Sonamy Fans: "SALLY SUCKS CAUSE SHE HAS NO CLOTHES" Sonally Fans: "neither does Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and all the male characters" Sonamy Fans: "Uuuuuuuuhhhhhhh" But seriously, nice vid.

[@iceman92211]

You do realize that Sally is a female character not a male character right so they are not wrong about her being terrible

[@johnnygreen2556]

@@iceman92211 So in other words its bad when female mobians are naked because of "double standards". Screw that, and screw all of the female mobians who wear clothes!

[@iceman92211]

@@johnnygreen2556 yes it’s bad for them because it makes look awkward and uncomfortable to look at so I don’t understand your problem with that

[@johnnygreen2556]

@@iceman92211 Uncomfortable? Its simply the matter of body structures. There's plenty of furry female characters out there who don't wear clothes.

[@iceman92211]

@@johnnygreen2556 well yeah that’s what I mean there bodies have big visible chest and same thing goes for the furry characters as well

[@Devil935]

I'm more curious if jp had a equivalent thing with this, probably be funny to hear the crazy waifu war about it

[@Unknown457jk]

i honstly agree i been on both sides of the ship and that awoken me to the true war is not ships but opinions ... the war made us forget that we are entilited to our opinions and we can like whatever dam ship we like and im a sonaze shipper saying this!!

[@scottedge4388]

I was under the impression that the Freedom Fighters were based on the little animals that you rescue from the robots. So Sally is kinda sorta part of the game canon in that regard. Does anybody have any deeper knowledge/insight about this? Anyway, I am still holding out hope (however slim) that Sonic Prime will go all out with the whole multiverse concept and actually have the SatAM and AoStH characters pop up. We can dream right? Bring in Boom Sonic! Bring in Movie Sonic! Bring in Ugly Sonic! XD

[@W-rock]

I swear. i think I'm the only person in the entire world who actually enjoyed the 'go get him' attitude Amy used to have .

[@devinsauls9137]

He said "The Slap" in a Sonic video 🤣

[@shewolfcub3]

Amy really wasnt annoying or one dimensional in Sonic adventure 1 and 2 or shuffle and the advanced games, they ruined her in Heroes and managed to fix her for 06 and unleashed; Sadly they eventually ruined her again and I am very thankful that they finally fixed her again permanently with Frontiers

[@Doobie-kx8fk]

A bit of a shame that they kinda gutted how upbeat and energetic she was. Before they were able to balance that out pretty well in Adventure 1 with her actually doing stuff. Unleashed too since the most she went for was a hug and didn't actively try to bother him in his journey. Looking at Frontiers and Prime, she seems a lot sentimental instead, if that's the right word anyway. Kinda wish she was a tad bit more peppy like she used too y'know?

[@hollowsnow3815]

@@Doobie-kx8fk Agreed, she may be an improvement over the last couple of games, but it was at the expense that she almost is like another character now with how calm she is. In Frontiers, pretty much all her dialogue on the first island almost could have been used for Blaze instead and nobody would of even said anything was out of character behind the brief koco's finding their partner bit. Boom almost leaned on feminism from what I heard which makes since in today's era, but Frontiers she just seems like another Blaze now. Speaking of which I still find it interesting Sonic Rush came out before 06 yet 06 still decided to contradict Blaze badly in just one game after. Also rare that a company makes a spin-off handheld game canon (later games/comics confirm Blaze from another dimension) and they retcon the console game.

[@justice8718]

@hollowsnow3815 Boom Amy was simply a far more nuanced character than the original one. Oddly, if Blaze was in the island thing instead, it would make the partner bit be a lot more effective since she was seperated from Silver. So it would be searching around the world, seeking what she was missing.

[@shewolfcub3]

@@justice8718 She is still amazingnin the games when written right

[@pabloiriqui6128]

Oh my god I remember this… I was a little kid searching Sonic X episodes on KZbin and went down a rabbit hole of amv’s with Ships that I didn’t even knew they where called “Ships” You would find tons of comments of people discussing Amy / Sally was better. P.D. Sonamy is cute but it has always just been really pushed by the fans. Sonally was a thing but she never got out of the show so no one really won… right?

[@Odd1337]

I like shadamy to be honest it was because of sonic adventure 2 manly, where Amy reminded Shadow of Maria, apart from that Archie comics are not even canon and Sonic's only love is adventure.

[@paulshipper143]

does.. anyone remember when Amy was called "Princess Sally" in the Sonic CD manual? I do, so imagine my surprise when Sally was a chipmunk.

[@iceman92211]

I it’s because the Americans we’re trying to replace Amy with Sally

[@justice8718]

@ifeman92211 Nah. It’s because of the issues of communication and materials. The one who wrote it likely thought Amy was a new and finalized version of Sally, since that character had tons of redesigns.

[@BigDaddyKnez]

Times like these I realize how pointless most people’s lives are. The amount of people that dedicate all this time to defending a medium that doesn’t even affect their outside life astounds me to this day

[@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442]

Same, I really don't care because sonsally exis in comic while sonamy exist in games and shows and idw

[@josephfrye7342]

actually idw is the new comic.

[@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442]

@@josephfrye7342 I know idw is a comic

[@RareHenry]

People arguing back then over Sonamy and Sonally Newgrounds during that time: 6:00

[@braveheroanimator4166]

At first I misunderstood I’m glad to watch the video till the end Now I have a better view of the situation back then Thanks for creating this video

[@PlasmaStar87]

Personally, I don’t really mind either ship I’m more of a sonaze kind of guy

[@timeblossom.99]

In my opinion I honestly ship both them!!! So I don't really care about it but I love Sonamy and Sonally!! 💙 But I see everyone different opinion and I respect that

[@latoyathunderstar9585]

I don't think I cared enough about shipping until I became a Shadamy fan in Sonic Universe. A pure-hearted Shadamy fan here.

[@SoranotRoxas]

Don't let this old shipping war distract you from the fact that Sonic Frontiers deserved a game award.

[@kinashchuk8275]

Sonic Frontiers was raw back then tho

[@P-P-Panda]

Your editing style has me dying 😂 ye I’m very chill with my ships and others ships as well. They’re all fun

[@Nice_Person7379]

Why do so many people in this comment section hate Sally so much? It’s like dragon ball fans hating anything that isn’t made by Toriyama.

[@ashesGeek]

That's pretty much the common mindset for pro-Japanese fans in general. I mean, I get the care for the quality of the original source material, but jeez, it's just gatekeeping and restricting the franchise from other ideas most of which are usually quite good Also, I think Sonictubers and most game Sonic fans just convince new fans to hate her and the whole thing just keeps going. It's exactly the same as to hate Takashi Iizuka or Pontac with Graff just because the big chunk don't like them and popular Sonictuber told everybody to join in mocking them.

[@superhedgehog6447]

It's sadly been this way for DECADES.....

[@Revkor]

I think you are lookign at GT there. Gt's issue is execution. many of its ideeas were good in concept but how they executed is the issue

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I don't think recognizing the pointlessness of shipping is a "grown up" trait. Lots of kids inherently realize that shipping it pointless, why waste so much brainpower and effort thinking about a fictional relation between fictional characters? In a lot of ways, kids are more well adjusted than some adults who spend too much time on the internet.

[@danieleristavi2491]

Those are some wise words master kenobi

[@TheBlackAntagonist]

My AU had Sonic and Amy together before Amy got older and ended up with Knuckles while Sonic eventually gets together with a much older Sally.

[@Mario_Sonic_Pro]

I'm glad the shipping arc is drawn to a close

[@HeDoMo3r]

Well, not like I care who ships who with who. Also didn't expect music from TF2 here.

[@TheEngieTF2]

I think everyone should know that the reason why Sally won't be back in the Sonic series is because she was never made by Sega and was only part of the Sonic the Hedgehog 90s cartoon and the Archie Comics writing respectively. Remember that Sally Acorn was solely based off one of the background characters in the first Sonic game. Specifically one of the small animals Sonic saves from Robotnik/Eggman's robots, and one of those animals are chipmunks

[@bradDark6941]

Yeah but she is owned by sega now. The one part you don't know is that after the Archie lawsuit controversy sega of America (which also created knuckles) now owns sally

[@iceman92211]

Here design alone is enough reason for her to never come back

[@meatman2203]

My answer to this question is neither. Sonic doesn’t need romance, for his one true love is adventure.

[@markofthewolvessucks8930]

What about chili dogs ?

[@leahandbacon]

Evil laughter as ships sonic with a man /j (This is a joke but also ship whoever you want with whoever as long as it isn’t toxic or anything, or don’t ship at all, I just made a joke for the funnies)

[@realfrogify]

they're both better than what sonic team thought was an appropriate ship in 2006 in the games lol

[@Cromerone]

What do you mean i thought we all agreed that this never happened

[@realfrogify]

@@Cromerone sonic 06 is canon, just that it split the timeline since literally all of the events did happen because solaris was stopped but also didn't happen at the same time because of time travel and dimensions or something except the opening cutscene. its complicated. izuka said it happened, just that they all forgot about what happened because of amnesia so I guess it's canon in that way. I was just trying to make a joke about elise here.

[@VagueCastle649]

@@realfrogify That timeline literally got erased though.

[@realfrogify]

@@VagueCastle649 didn't stop sonic team from putting a silver boss and crisis city in generations

[@VagueCastle649]

@@realfrogify Considering Stardust Speedway is set with the bad future version, Generations must be taken with a HEAVY grain of salt.

[@sansfan5480]

I like both ships and I’m glad that the war is over. I actually want to see a comic or a game crossover where Sally and Amy work together to save sonic it’s good to come back to this after a year

[@Kyo-On-YT]

Sonamy, Sonally it doesnt matter. What does matter is that discord sound effect at 12:20 you sly bastard ( o v o )