Should Sonic Have a Girlfriend?

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Splash Dash

Splash Dash

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Should Sonic Have a Girlfriend? Many would say no, but I wanna offer my take on it using Amy Rose, Sally Acorn, Princess Elise and Sonic himself, as examples for why I think Romance has a place in this franchise.
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@SplashDash_
@SplashDash_ Жыл бұрын
Do you think Sonic should be allowed to get in a relationship 🤔
@GhostW1thTheMost
@GhostW1thTheMost Жыл бұрын
Sonic should be ace.
@theletterm1787
@theletterm1787 Жыл бұрын
Only if he's powerbottoming Tails
@El_Mince
@El_Mince Жыл бұрын
No
@comixproviderftw_02
@comixproviderftw_02 Жыл бұрын
I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends, in the way he loves them like they’re his family. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different.
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
Aro Ace for me please.
@insertverycoolhandle
@insertverycoolhandle Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, A whole video dedicated to a fictional anthropomorphic hedgehogs love life.
@Mr.Needle-Hamster
@Mr.Needle-Hamster Жыл бұрын
The Sonic fandom certainly has a lot of interesting things to talk about
@zigzagintrusion
@zigzagintrusion Жыл бұрын
@@michaelg4981What do you mean? This is peak Sonic fandom
@LannyLeArtist
@LannyLeArtist Жыл бұрын
@@zigzagintrusion yes
@NinjaPickle
@NinjaPickle Жыл бұрын
@@Mr.Needle-Hamster Would you rather us talk about the evolution of fishing mechanics in Sonic games?
@IBE0n3
@IBE0n3 Жыл бұрын
@@NinjaPickle Ah yes, I'd be delighted ☕
@TheLonelyGoomba
@TheLonelyGoomba Жыл бұрын
I don't want Sonic characters in relationships cos I want to live in the delusion Rouge would pick me
@reddead__
@reddead__ Жыл бұрын
What was he cooking
@ZeroJump
@ZeroJump Жыл бұрын
@@reddead__ WHO LET HIM COOK
@ZeroJump
@ZeroJump Жыл бұрын
Ok now you realy deserve that name
@kingjiggle4th789
@kingjiggle4th789 Жыл бұрын
Based AF
@Kurameno
@Kurameno Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to break it to you but she’s married to the master emerald
@crashy918
@crashy918 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the only "love interest" Sonic definitely needs.... are chilidogs.
@adu1991
@adu1991 Жыл бұрын
Amy is probably the best choice(or close to it, lol). He's the most like himself around Amy. Sonic takes Mina the Mongoose for granted, Fiona really doesn't like Sonic, Blaze is just too different from how Sonic is, and Sonic would have to become king in order to marry Sally Acorn. He wouldn't be able to run around as much! XD
@kingjiggle4th789
@kingjiggle4th789 Жыл бұрын
OTP
@BJSolar02
@BJSolar02 Жыл бұрын
@@adu1991 I couldn't agree much more
@LilXancheX
@LilXancheX Жыл бұрын
Don’t be stupid. How can someone romantically love chili dogs?…
@crashy918
@crashy918 Жыл бұрын
@@LilXancheX Probably the same way a bear can love a burrito? I don't know.
@thesoniczone11
@thesoniczone11 Жыл бұрын
The way Amy was actually written in the Adventure games, Heroes and 06 are badly misinterpreted here. She's not just obsessed with Sonic mindlessly, and her love for Sonic being the core of her motivation is not a problem. In SA1, she wanted to be more independent because she didn't want to be a burden on Sonic. She wants Sonic's respect, and she wants to join in on Sonic's adventures. SA2 follows up on this, it's the motive behind every action she takes all game. In Heroes, this continues further and she's primarily helping Cream and Bug find their friends and their only lead was Sonic who Amy hasn't seen in a long time and misses. The entire dynamic between Sonic and Amy is built around the fact that Sonic IS NOT interested in romance at all precisely because he values his freedom above all else and views romance as tying him down. The only reason he even has friends is because Tails started following him and proved he can keep up and help. Amy is meant to challenge Sonic's disinterest or avoidance of romance, and her chasing after him is built around his nomadic freedom. Amy and Tails chase Sonic who is always moving, cause this is exactly what Sonic's "best friends" need to do in order to be part of his life at all. Otherwise they would never see him again.
@starstorm4077
@starstorm4077 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I really dislike seeing how grossly misinterpreted Amy in the early days is. I don't fully blame anyone either since the English localization makes her seem like a maniac in Heroes whereas Sonic x and Battle straight up flanderize her. I've no idea why people brush over the fact that Tails if anything is the one that the obsessive follower thing more accurately describes even if it's also incorrect because unlike Amy and Sonic he doesn't have the love for adventure that the 2 hedgehogs do. I believe that's a good reason why "long time no see" is a good addition to their dialogue in the games because it helps to show that in-between adventures, sonic runs off to do his own thing without any of them, it's how he lives. SA1 & Unleashed show this perfectly.
@AmeliaPlayz
@AmeliaPlayz Жыл бұрын
That's a good interpretation! You have her character nailed to a T!
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't get how people think the new amy is any better. She is just another boring character now with no flaws or quirks to her. People always misrepresent how she was in the older games.
@comicfan1324
@comicfan1324 Жыл бұрын
You know, when you say it all like that it makes song sound like an awful person. I mean it doesn’t sound like he’s given much back in terms of friendship by this description.
@gleamingroses2952
@gleamingroses2952 Жыл бұрын
It's honestly so tiring seeing critics and fans place context into situations that aren't there based on observation. People so blatantly misconstrue the Rose vs Sonic scene as abuse, when IT'S NOT ABUSE! People always say it's "abuse" when it's not, the game just translates it poorly. it literally was already established that Rose wanted to find Sonic because he was shown to have had their friends when they read the newspaper in the opening scene and needed answers, in the boss fight itself Rose literally questions Sonic on the whereabouts of Froggy and Chocola, and if Amy is left standing, she's angry about it and outright tells the points to give answers. Sonic just sees it as her idea to annoy him and uses that situation as an excuse to escape. This is also important to note because Team Sonic canonically win that fight, meaning it's not abuse if Sonic was in control of the situation and used it to escape. It was Amy's idea for her team to find froggy and chocola in the first place and throughout he story AMY is the one who has to keep motivating them to push on to find their friends, considering its Cream and Big's friends to begin with, given his favorite Sonic game is Heroes, I'm surprised why he doesn't understand the context. Not to mention the Japanese dialogue literally translates Amy's line different. It's basically Amy wanting to win Sonic's heart by proving how strong she is, she even mentions during the Egg Albatross in the English translation how she wants to "defeat it" so it could impress him. It follows up how Amy wanted Sonic to respect her in Adventure 1, only now she channels that infatuation into confidence. she even shifts from focusing on Sonic to Eggman, the moment she sees the fake Eggman after said fight. People misconstrue the fight as 'abuse" when Amy isn't abusing Sonic, it's just poor translations, so people throw context than isn't actually provided and often use it to say Amy's bad, when really I think it showcases Amy the best aside from SA1. Amy's love for Sonic was as much of a strength as it is a weakness. Amy's reason for doing things for Sonic had context behind it, in Adventure era she wanted to show Sonic she could be strong and part of the team. Even in Sonic Shuffle her main wish was to become a Hero like Sonic. Amy in general is/was overcritized, and hottake, I hate how she's been written in the 2010s, including Frontiers. (The one exception being IDW) because it's very odd how people think having no character is better than one. If detractors want to argue about Amy being annoying or obsessed with Sonic, they are at least providing descriptors of her character, I can get an idea of who she is. When it comes to Modern Amy? What exactly is her personality or defining characteristic beyond the fact she is female? And no, "not being annoying" is not a character, nobody ever says why she has a character or why she's good beyond she isn't who she use to be, meaning she has NO character if you can't even describe her. That's not saying she's a good character, it's saying who she use to be, which doesn't say anything about Amy now, based on Lost World or Forces, who is she? This whole perspective when it comes to Amy is just regressive because people are saying a female character losing their character and being presented as more subdued and passive is 'productive" It's only IDW that really made Amy's development shine, and that's because unlike the games, the comics transition Amy organically, as in it feels like she got there on her terms. in the games it very much feels like Sega's "play it safe" approach has worked its way on her because it feels like she's written to be subdued because Sega's response to detractor backlash, as if you provide any transition Amy has shown feelings for Sonic since Generations, the shift is sudden and abrupt, and as far as wanting to Forge her own path, this is a GREAT arc, but Amy herself has no character to capitalize with this. So, when I always hear "she's no longer fangirl so she's better" I never see anyone state what her character or personality is. Yeah, her caring nature is shown, but that was always an aspect of her! What is her defining characteristic other than the fact she's female? they can show she's caring without taking away the rest of her. I also don't like fans using Boom to bash Amy and Knuckles because it was a different universe canon of them, and how the crush is done there is a generic sitcom like crush, which worked for that show. Frontiers makes no shame showcasing Tails and Knuckles flaws and establish who they are, but Amy? You wouldn't even know who she is and feels as if they are afraid to show she likes Sonic, instead of balancing her characteristics while shifting her priorities, she's just disguised as "mature" by looking calm and passive, which isn't what mature is. Outside of that one scene where she gets made, she barely expresses emotions other than passive gestures. It also feels like they are trying to write her as a watered-down version of her Boom persona, as the actress gives off the same performance, which doesn't work given they were two differently established versions of her. the actress also feels very miscast as Amy. You don't improve a character by stripping them away. That's like if Nintendo said "Princess Peach isn't a damsel anymore" by just suddenly NEVER making her kidnapped and is an action girl like Samus Aran. They just created the same problem with Amy just in reverse now. You don't remove to improve, not how that works. In IDW Amy is still showed to like Sonic, she just translates it differently, much more grounded. But her other traits are also emphasized and doesn't sacrifice an element of herself to do so. The few times I legit think Amy was poorly written were Battle, half of Rush (And I say only half of it) and Free Riders, which is by far Amy at her worst and feels like an amalgamation of everything people hate about her, almost as if a detractor wrote her themselves. And its weird how people find Heroes Amy the worst, but not that when it's just Heroes Amy done worse in every way.
@castform7
@castform7 Жыл бұрын
I've never really been interested in Sonic having a girlfriend (mostly cause the writing is never really there for good romantic relationships) but I think you've done a good job at showing me why that's not inherently a bad thing and why Sonic's free spirit while being a good definition of his character, can be used wrongfully as a limiter to emotions. As time went on, these mandates just make the world blander. Sonic can't have massive flaws and if he's out of comission, all of his genius powerhouse, never, not too far off in power from him friends are powerless. That's just not as interesting as it was before and I think it really limits what you can do. I'm not asking for Sonic to constantly hinder his team or cry all the time or for someone like Shadow to be a sensitive boy who recycles. I just want characters to get some of their layers back.
@kieranstark7213
@kieranstark7213 Жыл бұрын
*likes comment*
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
Frontiers is already returning a lot of this, so the latter part of your comment seems off. Even before Frontiers released, they were already easing up or even rolling back on some of the mandates.
@castform7
@castform7 Жыл бұрын
@@darkhorse744 Frontiers is definitely a big step in the right direction but outside of IDW (which still suffers from stuff like Shadow's character and Sonic's emotional range still being a bit shotty) I don't really see the previous recent efforts within the series to try and get things back on track.
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
@@castform7 I see as a start, I remember hearing somewhere that Frontiers was trying to re-establish characters and the world again after all the years of the series basically ignoring it's own lore. The planet even finally has a name via Tailstube and they've even given a reason at to why the animal people barely show up in some games. It isn't perfect and it doesn't put the series back to what it was before (which I wouldn't be completely interested in seeing return), but it's a good starting point.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@darkhorse744 Stop lying to yourself.
@idea4965
@idea4965 Жыл бұрын
Do you guys remember that when Vandalize came out, people were theorizing that Sonic got into a "romantic fight" with someone? Glad that never happened
@Light_Dies_07
@Light_Dies_07 Жыл бұрын
i literally interpreted the line "Hate me, love you, breaking bottles on the pavement" as sonic being an alcoholic (as a JOKE) lmfao
@OneAndOnlyDanky
@OneAndOnlyDanky Жыл бұрын
@@Light_Dies_07 I mean that’s what the line seems to have originally meant before they shoved it into a sonic game
@kieranstark7213
@kieranstark7213 Жыл бұрын
List of times Sonic ACTUALLY got into a romantic fight. Not because he’s a bad boyfriend, but because his girlfriends were hating on him for stupid reasons. • Issue 134 of Archie where Sally would break up with Sonic just because he wanted to save many innocent lives from Eggman instead of become her king. • Issue 172 when Fiona decided to kick Sonic’s ass for cheating on him in issue 156 with Sally (which at that time was uncalled for not because Fiona was ever an innocent victim, but because Sonic could do better than to make Sally fall in love with him again when they’ve proven themselves to be not right for each other) and cheat on him with his evil counterpart Scourge after leaving her to rot in jail and forget about it in favour of himself. • Sonic Free Riders where Amy would bully everyone, especially Sonic because of all the times he didn’t give her consent to be his girlfriend thus being Tails’ evil excuse to fight him in issues 155-179. • Sonic ‘06 where Elise would also make Sonic look like a lame boyfriend for wanting to break up with her (possibly) and act like she’s fine without a man (I’m on his side and so are most others). • When Sonic turned down Zeena for having a creepy crush on him in Sonic Lost World by giving her a fake apology for “ruining her appearance” (she deserves it, there are much worse things to worry about) which partially made the game all the worse alongside everyone else’s flanderization.
@Light_Dies_07
@Light_Dies_07 Жыл бұрын
@@OneAndOnlyDanky its so funny to me how they made the song and then had to go back and censor it its just it doesn't really seem to fit w sonic or his character, if anything its a bit more of a shadow song (even THEN it doesn't really work) . still love the song though
@connorbeith3232
@connorbeith3232 Жыл бұрын
With those types of lyrics, I honestly question why Sega felt this was ok to put in a kids game. Like the fact they even had to censor, "fuck the pain away," should've given them the hint that it wasn't an appropriate song.
@TeamSoraPresents
@TeamSoraPresents Жыл бұрын
So basically, Sonic had gone from "this ain't your dad's old Mario game!" to just being... well, Mario.
@djlanner1174
@djlanner1174 Жыл бұрын
You said it well, my friend.
@Velocity42
@Velocity42 Жыл бұрын
I'm moreso mixed with the idea of Sonic having a partner. On one hand, it would be interesting to see more character dynamics between Sonic and the gang grow and become more realized and being expanded upon. On the other hand, unless there's someone who would respect with his "being free with the wind" motives, keep up with his adventurous ideals or whatever, I don't think Sonic's the type of guy to be fully committed of being in a full-on romantic relationship... ...plus, the shipping wars would probably be tremendously apocalyptic of all hell, as if there wasn't bad enough with the civil war between Sonamy and Sonally lol
@palookadventures5694
@palookadventures5694 Жыл бұрын
Us gay Sonic fans are absolutely living it up with Sonadow in our pockets lol. And man, I'm fairly certain I'm in a good part of the internet 'cause shipping wars aren't really a *major* thing nowadays - at least, not at a grander scale with far-reaching consequences. Even if one were to start up, simply don't bite and no one'll bark back!
@RosheenQuynh
@RosheenQuynh Жыл бұрын
Even as a hardcore Sonally fan, I feel this mixed feeling.
@doncarloancelotti2256
@doncarloancelotti2256 Жыл бұрын
So in other words, Blaze
@WSBM14
@WSBM14 Жыл бұрын
Blaze is a princess from another dimension. Her own blown out backstory makes pairing her with sonic a stupid idea
@doncarloancelotti2256
@doncarloancelotti2256 Жыл бұрын
@@WSBM14 the partner doesn't have to be with him 24/7. But there's a mutual respect and natural chemistry between Sonic and her.
@RougeMephilesClone
@RougeMephilesClone Жыл бұрын
For my take, I think having Sonic desire romance but be terrible at committing has been a consistent and reasonable facet of his character. He can have as many romances as the plot, or even a one-off joke, requires, but there should be an understanding between all of them that he can't manage anything more intimate than close friendship, or the brotherly love he shares with Tails. I'm open to different takes on the character, however.
@Meowblivion
@Meowblivion Жыл бұрын
He’d literally be Peter Parker then.. 😅
@balisticemerald8512
@balisticemerald8512 Жыл бұрын
ngl I kinda prefer it if they don't obsess too much with romance. It breaks with expectations that "the hero always gets the girl" which makes the entire thing feel a bit more rebellious,
@djlanner1174
@djlanner1174 Жыл бұрын
Ah I see. So you want to be more original than others huh? I see. I am alot alike Sonic and I can confirm that a big reason as to why we are single is because we dont want to be 'like other guys' who follow traditions; *we go our OWN way!* 💙😁✌
@ftrwrwbg
@ftrwrwbg Жыл бұрын
I don’t think there’s any issue with it. It all comes down to the writing. But for some reason as of now Sega actively prevents writers who genuinely want to flesh out Sonic & friends in a meaningful way from doing so. The writers have made it clear for whatever reason Sega hates character development and hates changing the status quo at all.
@demetriusnp49
@demetriusnp49 Жыл бұрын
I believe it goes back to what happened with 06 backlash and Penders. Those two incidents really recoiled most of Sonic’s essence into nothing more than shell of what spirit he used to have. The thing about it is, SegaSammy sees it really isn’t an issue as long as they make money from it. Their target audience is kids and so has to fit that mold compared to Mario; who has been recently doing the opposite. Then again, Mario really has been satisfying all crowds since his conception.
@ftrwrwbg
@ftrwrwbg Жыл бұрын
@@demetriusnp49 It bothers me more what they’ve done to Shadow than to Sonic. The mandates on Shadow basically say to take all of his character development, toss it in the trash, never reference it again and make him act like an asshole.
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
@@demetriusnp49 Isn't Mario usually considered an extremely boring character? Unless it's in the RPGs. Edit: Also, how has Mario been doing the opposite?
@tatsuostatic8567
@tatsuostatic8567 Жыл бұрын
@@demetriusnp49 I'm tired of companies using that same talking point, "they want to target kids" Mario can please both longtime fans and kids why can't Sonic? They need to stop the whole mandate crap and let characters grow with better writing
@sboinkthelegday3892
@sboinkthelegday3892 Жыл бұрын
Stories that are anchored with a static protagonist, can still explore romantic ideas like Tails and Cosmo. And they COULD explore the feminine side of it, but not if the audience is only concened with some kind fo self-insert fantasy, that the protag has to be coolest guy ever and Amy has to be his coolest ever girl equivalent, like this story is a replacement of ahving your OWN friends. That's why people get so offended when they don't LIKE the personality, of a CHARACTER, like they're entitled to ONLY see characters they like. Like the uncool kids can't sit at their table with the story protagnist. And that reverses into making any kind of excuse possible so the protagonist is always justified, like a child making excuses for himself, and it's always somebody else being wrong if the outcome has any challenge or drama in it. Like a child being stressed out by an adult argument, and jsut starts pointing fingers who started it, and why cant everybody just play nice? This is meaningful because THAT EXACT THING is what Sonic stands against, and it's a rare and unique point to sonic specifically. NOTHING he does is because of BEING justified, it's chaotic wind, that finds itself ENDING UP where the justice is. Instead, all these people think it's a hindrance and impossible to flesh out, because they want ALL franchises to conform to their cookie-cutter self-isnert fan fiction model, trained into them by conventional Hollywood pandering. It's like it got them when they're young, and now they can't stomach anything without sufficient amount of nicotine. Mario doesn't ahve this problem, because Mario is ACCEPTED as a static protagonist. Needy fans don't crop up SAYING he is ruined, not by any seriousness anyway, maybe as a snark on being that much "worse" than Sonic. Paper MArio on the other hand is not so lucky.
@BlitzPlum
@BlitzPlum Жыл бұрын
The rise of social media being represented as Dark Gaia energy is extremely fitting.
@_TRB_
@_TRB_ Жыл бұрын
Lmao,we're doomed.
@dumbsville
@dumbsville Жыл бұрын
Easy answer: Sonic needs to date me instead. 😍
@JadeEmjee
@JadeEmjee Жыл бұрын
*yes*
@Ratscallion_exe
@Ratscallion_exe 4 ай бұрын
Well, well...
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Ай бұрын
Wtf!!
@mr.goblin6039
@mr.goblin6039 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason Sonic feels that way now is because Sega doesn’t want another Archie or Ken Penders situation again. A big reason a lot of Sonic has been “sanitized” in a way is to make sure there’s someone in charge and there’s consistency… and less lawsuits.
@malakaifireninja5065
@malakaifireninja5065 Жыл бұрын
Lawsuits you say? Who caused this?
@walkerphillips2818
@walkerphillips2818 Жыл бұрын
@@malakaifireninja5065 Kenneth Penders the 2nd. Check his Sonic Fandom page.
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Ай бұрын
I mean sanitizing sonic doesn't seem bad I have no problem with that
@mr.goblin6039
@mr.goblin6039 Ай бұрын
@@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Yeah, I don’t have a problem with that, either. The IDW comics and recent games have been good, so I’m fine with it. Archie Sonic was memorable for a lot of risks it took, but it also had A LOT of unnecessary garbage that, imo, over complicated Sonic as a brand.
@demetriusnp49
@demetriusnp49 Жыл бұрын
Honestly this is a massive grey area. Sonic has had many inconsistencies and interpretations, hard to be considered what best suits his characterization. I do sorta miss where he was just there doing his thing, and then became part of the major arc. But this is a new generation, and the Sonic we have now while not the greatest and sometimes bad…is their new favorite. So hopefully they enjoy him.
@djlanner1174
@djlanner1174 Жыл бұрын
You make a sound argument. In fact, its not even an argument at all; I consider it fact. Its true that Sonic has been interpreted (or some may even say, *misinterpreted* ) in many ways - I think thats the beauty of a franchise like this; theres just SO much variety and evolution in the types of stories and portrayal of characters! That being said, the fact that its all up to interpretation gives alot of creative freedom, and I can only hope that alot of good will come from that freedom - Heres to the future, when hopefully someday, there will be a CREATOR who takes everything they love about Sonic (and other things too) and does it EVEN *BETTER* !
@7inchwah430
@7inchwah430 Жыл бұрын
Blaze and Sonic have the best dynamic for that sort of relationship, plus the dimensional divide would allow for Sega to keep their mandate
@JohnnyTheGamer
@JohnnyTheGamer Жыл бұрын
Um, mandates were never real (according to a questionable figure who claimed 'em). Although, Sonaze is way better ship than Sonamy.
@KuromiLaBella
@KuromiLaBella Жыл бұрын
This right here. Sonaze has always had more chemistry and feels more natural. And neither are super lovey-dovey so it works out perfectly.
@ayrtonjoga
@ayrtonjoga Жыл бұрын
Sonaze is basically the games equivalent of Sonally, they are about a free-spirited and playful guy with a dutiful and serious girl, both works for me
@philatio1744
@philatio1744 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyTheGamer wait, what
@creekman7898
@creekman7898 Жыл бұрын
Tbh sega made a joke/kinda canon edit twitter post that says sonaze is canon in the satbk universe
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын
I will say this. The problem with Sonic and Elise's relationship isn't the fact that it's human animal, which has been done plenty of times in the past with western animation, it's the fact that the relationship has no build up and wasn't very developed. I wonder if this has to do with the rushed development of the game as everything in the game suffers from the rushed development including it's story that felt half baked. Although personally I'm more on the side of Sonic just having no relationship at all because there really isn't a point. The games are more about Sonic fighting against Eggman's attempts to either ruin the environment or do whatever
@comicfan1324
@comicfan1324 Жыл бұрын
Although I personally enjoy shipping and wouldn’t be against seeing sonic in a romantic relationship, I feel like it’s probably in Sega‘s best interest to try and stay neutral on that topic. Let’s say sonic, in the main game continuity, ended up in a canon relationship. Sure that would appease anyone who ships that specific pairing, but it could potentially alienate anyone who either preferred another pairing or feel sonic shouldn’t be in a relationship at all. I think the best we can expect is hints at attraction and nothing more. Besides, that just means the fans can imagine how those potential relationships could play out. I mean that’s why fanfiction exist, right?
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Trying to please everybody pleases nobody. Everyone knows that out of all the ships, Sonamy is the most likely to be official.
@Amy-yb3pz
@Amy-yb3pz Жыл бұрын
Nah fuck that
@LilXancheX
@LilXancheX Жыл бұрын
Just let hedgehog have a girl goddam!… What’s wrong with that? You want him to be alone virgin? With no friends? Sonic is THEIR friend, but Sonic runs so fast he has no time for them. He’s a loser
@shadokwastaken
@shadokwastaken Жыл бұрын
7:29 i don't care for whatever is going on in the comics but i love this panel for how dynamic the posing is, its so POWERFUL
@kinggalactix
@kinggalactix Жыл бұрын
Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Unless he finds someone he has shared interests in that don't majorly clash with his adventurous style, and he has feelings for them and vice versa, then no. Edit: it also could gives both of them character development and growth, if possible. Otherwise, it can just be wholesome vibes.
@kinggalactix
@kinggalactix Жыл бұрын
@Freejay Free technically speaking, they are opposites, yet opposites do attract. That being said, I don't think Blaze would abandon her responsibilities of ruling her kingdom.
@kinggalactix
@kinggalactix Жыл бұрын
@Freejay Free true, true.
@kinggalactix
@kinggalactix Жыл бұрын
@Freejay Free I'm totally sure Silver will be a delightful third wheel, and things won't get complicated and cause a divide in the community.
@kinggalactix
@kinggalactix Жыл бұрын
@Freejay Free in all seriousness, it's not out of the possibilities.
@kinggalactix
@kinggalactix Жыл бұрын
@Freejay Free I'd say she's one of the best, and sometimes underrated.
@jokeronline702
@jokeronline702 Жыл бұрын
It’s an issue when Sonic has better relationships in fanfic. Not that I would know 😳
@dudethatcares
@dudethatcares Жыл бұрын
Excuse me?
@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit
@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit Жыл бұрын
😃📸
@richardmorgan3665
@richardmorgan3665 Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly not a fan of Sonic having a relationship, I like how Sonic would rather not want to be in one as he sees it would tie down which would conflict with how he likes to live his life free as the wind. I think it's nice having a character like that, you don't really see too many characters like that.
@ドラゴンリュー-f1x
@ドラゴンリュー-f1x Жыл бұрын
I think a relationship like porco rosso is best for Sonic I understand how you feel, but the relationship between a man who is now living for his freedom and a woman who has been patiently waiting for her freedom Actually, there was something similar to this behind the scenes in Sonic 1.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Stop making Sonic sound boring.
@richardmorgan3665
@richardmorgan3665 Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 Has Sonic been boring, never at least in the games has he ever expressing in a romantic relationship with anyone, was he boring then, if not then why am I making him boring by asking he to accurate to his character? You don't need a romantic relationship to make an interesting character and I feel Sonic is more interesting without one. Let the hedgehog be free.
@richardmorgan3665
@richardmorgan3665 Жыл бұрын
@@ドラゴンリュー-f1x I have no idea what porco rosso is. But honestly what happens after that because Sonic as franchise will continue persist as long as it still sells so how do you continue that story, should they then introduce relationship melodrama, or how do you write Sonic having a stable relationship when he's constantly running around the world looking for the chaos emeralds, never staying in one spot for long. They could always tag along but unless they can keep up with Sonic's speed and don't mind the constant travel from place to place and when they do stay in a place longer than 5 seconds it's because a great Eldritch evil was unleashed that threatens to kill everyone and destroy the universe and Sonic has to kick it's ass. How do you write a stable relationship like that, when you're constantly on the move like you're fleeing the country for tax evasion and when take time to stop your life in mortal danger?
@djlanner1174
@djlanner1174 Жыл бұрын
Its sad to see how disagreeable most peoples' idea of 'love' is, at least to me. I wonder what makes them always think that love is something that holds you down... with me its quite the opposite you see - Im a free-spirit just like Sonic and I believe that love is something that can make us STRONGER and even *ENHANCE* our freedom, not hinder it. IF your love is true, then you will find that the love will be able to follow with you in the wind aswell 💙 At least, thats what I figure! 😁✌ And the love will be there to help us through the conflict: *"Love can help us share the pain" - Bentley Jones* 🖤 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmSUqoGVptaBeKs
@BronzeFacade
@BronzeFacade Жыл бұрын
The thing I like about Frontiers Sonic is that he clearly was biting off more than he could chew in an effort to save everyone, seeing him slowly getting corrupted but fighting on anyway was a good glimpse of how he CAN'T always be the guardian angel. Problem being the corruption was resolved as soon as it came into play, and I can only chalk that up to Sonic Team's time constraints on the game
@sonicmastersword8080
@sonicmastersword8080 4 ай бұрын
I concur. I personally would have liked to see Sonic fail for once and require someone else to save him-and this would take time.
@drekiskrek5008
@drekiskrek5008 Жыл бұрын
I actually really enjoy Sally and Sonic in a relationship once Ian Flynn took over the pre-reboot timeline. I found their dynamic to be way more charming than it once was in the comics, similar to SATAM. Her sacrifice to be mecha Sally was a great character moment and led to some of the best arcs in the comic. Thankfully the team at Archie Sonic Online has continued that plotline and the rest of the pre-reboot timeline. I highly recommend people check it out!
@bowserbreaker2515
@bowserbreaker2515 Жыл бұрын
Archie Sonic Online is great. We finally have a continuation of one of Sonic's best continuities.
@drekiskrek5008
@drekiskrek5008 Жыл бұрын
@@bowserbreaker2515 For real. Pre reboot Flynn was so fantastic. I was so happy when they started the "Sonic Saga Series" graphic novels to get the beginning of Flynn's era in a convenient format, but the series as a whole got cancelled right before the volume came out that concluded Scourge arc. The pre-reboot, reboot , Mega-Drive and even graphic novels of Archie Sonic were all cancelled in the middle of story arcs.
@bowserbreaker2515
@bowserbreaker2515 Жыл бұрын
@@drekiskrek5008 I'd didn't read the Mega Drive stuff, and I don't love the reboot (It's still good, but preboot Flynn was peak Sonic. Much better than IDW.
@sparking023
@sparking023 Жыл бұрын
funny how things change with time, I used to be very opposed to Sonic having any romantic relationships. sure, Amy was nice to have around because I found the "too cool for romance" thing a part of Sonic's personality. but then, as time went on I began do warm up to the idea, probably an effect of growing up, you start to think more seriously about it. and now I'm glad we see some bits of relationship here and there between Sonic and Amy. the whole crazy fangirl schtick is mostly gone and Amy has grown as a character, which allows for a more complex approach on this. for example, why was Sonic always so reluctant? what brought him to have a slight change of heart in that? it doesn't have to be centered around it, like a story of him rescuing Amy, even more when you consider she ought to be capable of fending off for herself, but as a subtext thing, it would be pretty cool. for someone who's all about speed, Sonic's romantic life surely is a slowburn
@SonicHedgehog1991
@SonicHedgehog1991 Жыл бұрын
It's ironic how the mandates turned Sonic into a literal machine. He has little to no emotion outside of happiness and optimism, maybe sprinkling in a "sad moment" here and there but the guy is borderline psychotically happy.
@LilahGear
@LilahGear Жыл бұрын
Now this is the type of quality content I subscribed for
@kittiesnkream5422
@kittiesnkream5422 Жыл бұрын
I feel like romance could work with Sonic if it wasn't made out to be this big spectacle that I think a lot of people want it to be. I don't wanna see Sonic making out on screen and making everything awkward, I wanna see Sonic and characters explore the feelings they have that comes with romance. With how Sonic and Amy's relationship has been handled recently in the game, show, and comic, and the possibly unused dialogue in Sonic Frontiers hinting towards romantic feelings for Amy ("Amy, I should have made up my mind sooner." and "Wish we were sharing an umbrella, Amy."), maybe we might see some of those mandates loosen up eventually.
@roseliand936
@roseliand936 Жыл бұрын
BEILIEVE ME I like sonamy but I DONT WANT TO SEE TWO COLORED HEDGEHOGS MAKING OUT, I want their relationship to be cute and simple
@kittiesnkream5422
@kittiesnkream5422 Жыл бұрын
@@roseliand936 That’s exactly it! Sonic isn’t the type of character to be doing that kind of thing, so it’d be super weird and awkward if he did. If anything romantic were to ever happen between Sonic and Amy, I think subtlety and simplicity would be the way to go.
@kittiesnkream5422
@kittiesnkream5422 Жыл бұрын
@@s-lye Yep! It's basically like carving your initials in a heart on a tree that's seen a lot in Western media. The fact that Sega had to approve for those lines to be in game, even if they were potentially cut later, shows they're aware of shipping stuff. The mess with ships is also why I think subtly would go a long way in terms of romance in Sonic. Don't make being all lovey or kissy the focal point, but rather, on character interactions and development through romance. But that's just me, personally haha.
@trickycheat3570
@trickycheat3570 Жыл бұрын
Yes and her name is Blaze. Give my man Sonic his break.
@goldencascade5710
@goldencascade5710 Жыл бұрын
Argue all you want. Sonic X Rings will always be the true OTP. 🦔💍
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Жыл бұрын
Counter: Sonic x Chili Dogs. Whaddaya think he's spending them Rings on?
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
@@espurrseyes42 good point.
@kingcyclops4079
@kingcyclops4079 Жыл бұрын
If they ever do a canon Sonic relationship for the games it should be that his love interest is an actual partner/fighter and not a side character who just goes “I love you sonic good luck stopping eggman!”
@zestytriss5282
@zestytriss5282 Жыл бұрын
Sonic never pressures himself to find a girlfriend he is just chill. Finding a relationship is a hard problem for us.
@TailsAndSonicPals
@TailsAndSonicPals Жыл бұрын
I thought his gf was Knuckles?
@CowLiver
@CowLiver Жыл бұрын
He left his girlfriend after she refused to be the mother of his child.
@emmanuelharris6445
@emmanuelharris6445 Жыл бұрын
@@CowLiverShe who exactly are you even talking about?
@micjimster4845
@micjimster4845 3 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure his gf is that one weird girl who opened a love forum and obsessed over sonic pissing...
@thecursedpotato6561
@thecursedpotato6561 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this question and thought: "He'd probably do best with a partner who he doesn't have to settle down for. Someone who can keep his pace and share his interests and take part in his heroic world saving lifestyle, maybe even someone who can rival him in these aspects and push him to work harder" ...then I realized this just describes shadow
@edwardgarcia409
@edwardgarcia409 Жыл бұрын
The first part describes Tangle
@reemelmubrouk4782
@reemelmubrouk4782 Жыл бұрын
Lets just say he’s in love with Chili dogs and end it all sheesh
@gustavomartins364
@gustavomartins364 Жыл бұрын
But shadow is 50+.
@JumperTV33
@JumperTV33 Жыл бұрын
No Pants = Freedom, and Sonic is all about that freedom, lol. Also to quote Timmy’s Dad: “Pants are for Squares.”
@sezunemizuhana3870
@sezunemizuhana3870 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for respecting Sally and Sonally.
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
-He probably did because of how toxic some fans are- .
@dudethatcares
@dudethatcares Жыл бұрын
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 Fact
@sezunemizuhana3870
@sezunemizuhana3870 Жыл бұрын
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 you mean creepy son///amy weirdos?
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
@@sezunemizuhana3870 also that
@iceman92211
@iceman92211 Жыл бұрын
He shouldn’t because she’s naked
@Mitsuna
@Mitsuna Жыл бұрын
Really agreed with your comments at the end, I miss Sonic having real banter with his friends and rolling with it for fun. I hope to see some of this return in this new era of Sonic.
@Nic_2751
@Nic_2751 Жыл бұрын
I actually really like Elise being more reinterpreted as someone who sees Sonic as a father/idol figure and despite being a princess with material possessions and royalty, she has everything yet nothing with the loss of her parents so Sonic fills in that gap and breaks out her emotions that we’re concealed physically and metaphorically
@vinnylynch54
@vinnylynch54 3 ай бұрын
I see what ur saying but anytime Elise is brought up I cringe with disgust and fear because the kissing scene still till this day makes me want to light sonic 06 on fire again.
@Nic_2751
@Nic_2751 3 ай бұрын
@@vinnylynch54 how about you get over a video game cutscene from almost 2 decades ago and think about actually serious problems like genocide going on rn that shoi be disgusting you like beheaded babies
@jamainegardner4193
@jamainegardner4193 Жыл бұрын
I have the same problems with Sonic having a girlfriend that I do with him having parents. EDIT: What I mean by this is while I do acknowledge Sonic has parents that existed at some point, they should never actually be a presence in the games because that detracts from Sonic's nature as a free-spirited adventurer and gives him a more strongly defined origin. I like the lore from the classic games that Sonic was born on Christmas Island but left in his Dad's plane to see the world and that's how he came across Eggman.
@rockinrootbeer1795
@rockinrootbeer1795 Жыл бұрын
To me, Sonic not having parents opens up so many possibilities for his origins. One of my favorite dumb ideas is that he manifested one day due to an overabundance of Chaos Energy collecting in a single area. Just *poof* Sonic came into existence, and his first experience was witnessing Eggman trapping innocent creatures for selfish reasons, leading to Sonic's strong sense of justice and freedom. That's also how I justify that Sonic is one of the only people able to naturally utilize the Chaos Emerals. He's essentially a _living_ Chaos Emerald. Just about every other character that uses them are either inorganic, god-like beings, or because Sonic was around when they were using them too (the first time Shadow went Super, Sonic was there. The first time Silver transformed, Sonic was there. Knuckles can only transform because of his connection to the Master Emerald.) Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
@mrmelonman2893
@mrmelonman2893 Жыл бұрын
@@rockinrootbeer1795 w head cannon
@quickquakeshake
@quickquakeshake Жыл бұрын
As long as it's Sonic's personal choice to not have a girlfriend, we should respect it, but if he's gonna live his life the way he does, we have to see him personally struggle from time to time. This is why I say he should at least have an occasional love interest who he has to reluctantly reject in name of being true to his own resolution or because he sees there's no genuine compatibility.
@dogmendogmen
@dogmendogmen 11 ай бұрын
You see, this is why we need Uncle Chuck around to pressure him for grandnephews
@OneAndOnlyDanky
@OneAndOnlyDanky Жыл бұрын
I’m not into shipping but all I’m gonna say is that look Sonic and Knuckles gave each other in Frontiers definitely alluded to… something
@kingjiggle4th789
@kingjiggle4th789 Жыл бұрын
Homie-sexual
@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit
@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit Жыл бұрын
Oh, they fuckin'. Look at 'em sparks!
@Chibiknux
@Chibiknux Жыл бұрын
I think Sonic should be allowed to feel affection, attraction and love in some form towards Amy or other love interest but maintain the fact that he ultimately will never commit. That's a compelling and bittersweet lesson for Amy and the audience to have. Having reciprocal feelings doesn't always mean you'll end up together, and i think Sonic loves what he does much more. Amy's life goals will never be compatible with Sonic's unless one of the two became someone they're not. They're too different. Amy yearns stability, making a family etc and Sonic is a nomad who loves adventure. I think in some ways Sonic X explores these dichotomies pretty well (i watched the japanese dub)
@Chibiknux
@Chibiknux Жыл бұрын
@calebvela9252 yeah but i think they skipped all the development and storytelling on how Amy went to stalker to that conclusion. There was so much potential for cool stories and arcs there
@enzoamore8971
@enzoamore8971 Жыл бұрын
Yea I like that he has feelings for Amy, but won't go through with it.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@Chibiknux You've lost even more credibility now that you've called Amy a stalker.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@enzoamore8971 Stop glorifying a terrible trope.
@enzoamore8971
@enzoamore8971 Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 what trope?
@allmightyningen2017
@allmightyningen2017 Жыл бұрын
the tail end of sonic and sallyʻs relationship pre genesis wave was actually some of my favorite sonic media of all time. the two just kind of balanced each other out if that makes sense
@kierandaines978
@kierandaines978 Жыл бұрын
Splash Dash answering the questions everyone is too afraid to ask
@adu1991
@adu1991 Жыл бұрын
For Mario, it's obvious(or the media pushes it so much), that his girlfriend/wife is Princess Peach. Even if he's saving someone else(Like Pauline from the first "Donkey Kong", or Princess Daisy from Super Mario Land), he's always led back to Peach. Sonic, on the other hand, has had many girlfriends... Amy Rose, Sally Acorn, Fiona Fox, Elise from Sonic '06(even though they just slightly alluded to it), Mina The Mongoose, Blaze the Cat... Sonic doesn't just run fast....he gets around too. He's a player XD
@JohnnyTightlips2007
@JohnnyTightlips2007 Жыл бұрын
I originally thought that one part of "The Slap" was due to something that happened prior. Sonic saved Mobius by stopping a doomsday device that would have created a Black Hole but believed to be at the cost of his life. He reemerged a year later not realizing he was blasted forward in time so I believed that Sally's fear of losing Sonic a second time was the cause of it. Didn't know about the drama going on in the office.
@picolocity366
@picolocity366 Жыл бұрын
Can we all agree that Princess Elise is the worst love interest Sonic's ever had
@dayvonlouis5187
@dayvonlouis5187 Жыл бұрын
Given how hard the Sonic franchise had been hit with rule 34 and shipping wars hes better off without a romance to say nothing of Sega’s mandates which pretty much makes it impossible for him to have one
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
The only way to end ship wars is to not have one.
@dayvonlouis5187
@dayvonlouis5187 Жыл бұрын
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 no disagreement from me, people tend to act very stupid about it acting as if it’s the point of the franchise.
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
@@dayvonlouis5187 Ikr
@enclosedgranddad1715
@enclosedgranddad1715 Жыл бұрын
While I don't hate the idea of Sonic being in a relationship, I don't care for it that much either since it wouldn't add anything of value to the games. I also think it goes against Sonic being a free-spirited individual who goes by his own rules.
@themissingbits6375
@themissingbits6375 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Giving him a girlfriend Will betray the fact that he does Whatever he wants, Like when you have a girlfriend, Your being forced to do things with your partner (That the reason why Sonic does not want to marry Amy)
@felixdaniels37
@felixdaniels37 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I feel like a lot of the Sonic fandom is obsessed with these things that ultimately do not matter at all. If Sonic had a fun game in the first place then nobody would be talking about this.
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@themissingbits6375 Obviously said by someone without a girlfriend.
@themissingbits6375
@themissingbits6375 Жыл бұрын
@@bakedbeans5494 Do you have one?
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
@@themissingbits6375 Used to.
@BingFox
@BingFox Жыл бұрын
In the immortal words of Braniac: "I just want a decent pair of pants!"
@Stock_Junction
@Stock_Junction Жыл бұрын
Long opinion short, I want Movie Sonic specifically to get along with Amy
@BJSolar02
@BJSolar02 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@just_a_rebel8261
@just_a_rebel8261 6 ай бұрын
No one: Me at 3:20 am watching a video about an anthropomorphic hedgehog's love life :
@Mtioui-san
@Mtioui-san 2 ай бұрын
Omg fr (1year late-😅)
@lordx8844
@lordx8844 Жыл бұрын
Sonic's whole purpose is to be free.
@vladc137
@vladc137 Жыл бұрын
This video suffers from the regular discourse problem of framing boogeymandates as a problem instead of the filter it is meant to be. Like holy shit complaining that Sonic can’t lose in his own series? If this wasn’t talked about by writers this wouldn’t be in any discussion because of course he can’t lose. This isn’t even a real true “mandate”, it’s literally following the games. No game ends with Sonic losing. Sonic wins at the end of his stories. How is this in contention? You talk about his “attitude from day 1” being counter to the idea of him not having supposed emotion, but his other attribute from day 1 is NOT being in a relationship. This isn’t new. It’s maintaining a preset status quo because the new comics actually follow the games instead of going off on their own and making up fanfic, fooling people with an inaccurate interpretation of the character. Something like "Sonic doesn't get in a relationship" is not a new or foreign rule to the games. It feels foreign to comics because they were an unchecked Wild West for so long. I’ll get back to that. To start off, you fall into this trap of portraying Amy's love poorly. It's meant to be pure and well-endearing, so just because the face value optics of something like the 06 moment don't sound good when you relay them like that, doesn't make the idea behind it any less solid. "Anything she does is for Sonic". Like yeah bro that's the point of the entire character. She chases Sonic and wants to be with him. Getting miffed at that is like getting mad that Sonic goes adventuring. It's not problematic. You didn't frame Sally's point in The Slap well at all either. It's easy to dismiss her side of the argument, but the whole point was her considering the kingdom and their future and Archie!Sonic was putting that future at stake from her perspective. It appeared selfish to her and she had ground to stand on. (There's also the recurring issue where you just don't have your info together. Sonic and Sally don't get married in the main Archie canon. It's later made an offshoot future verse and things stay the same in the present until the verse is rebooted.) I think the best things you had to say in this vid are about Elise. You’re mostly right, cheap shots about “le animal x human!!!” aside. She’s a prime example of how Sonic’s inspirational nature helps people and her developing feelings seem natural to that end. It’s better that they’re one sided and I like that the game establishes he was gonna leave Soleanna right after stopping Eggman. You seem to be missing the point of, or just not respecting, a core theme about 06, choosing a lover/partner over the world. Shadow and Rouge and Silver and Blaze also wrestle with this prospect. Silver didn’t want to give up Blaze to save the world and Rouge tells Shadow she’ll be on his side if the world is against him. Nobody calls these out because they have better optics but it’s the same principle and idea, albeit less inherently romantic depending on your perspective. When you say it’s about making Sonic more of a person, more three dimensional, I scoff at that claim. Sonic isn’t meant to be relatable, he’s meant to be inspirational and larger than life. He gets mad or sad but he doesn’t cry or wallow. The idea that Sonic should explore something like romance is shitty and I’m glad it’s banned because the stance is clear on his end. He’s squeamish and not really interested in that. So a writer should either tell a different kind of Sonic story or don’t bother with Sonic at all because he doesn’t have the series’ core values and best interest at heart if he thinks Sonic needs to cover romance. I don’t think it can be done well in the games. I think romance works better locked to a character like Amy and seeing how it’s uplifted her life and made her better herself and become a strong heroine. These things you talk about missing didn’t go anywhere. The story scopes are just smaller. Less characters, less epic narrative. Knuckles can still blush at Rouge as he did in IDW #30. Sonic the way he is in Frontiers is good. It’s not stifled, it’s what he’s supposed to be like. I get the impression you don’t actually value Sonic, but subscribed to some headcanon that isn’t valid anymore or something. “The time when he was flawed, made mistakes” isn’t really the Sonic from the games unless you mean Lost World, and I know you don’t. Referencing Archie-it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t count, it’s not valid. If you miss that Sonic you’re not missing Sonic, you’re missing a fake. Archie isn’t the real deal. Satam isn’t true blue. They aren’t the actual Sonic, so their experience doesn’t work here. These aren’t examples of how Sonic could benefit from romance. They’re warning signs and what to avoid. Also, you’re talking about the “lore trust” like they’re gonna fix these problems when they’re responsible for literally sanding the series down with retcons as seen with Sonic Origins. They aren’t gonna fix this. This is a symptom of the mentality that formed that very team. I’d implore you to read Josh Tarwater’s document about why Christmas Island matters for more on this. I should clarify, Sonic the series exploring mature subjects like loss or abuse or whatever is fine, but Sonic the character really isn’t missing out by not being allowed to touch romance. I don’t know if you’ll read this, and if you do, you may instinctively want to mock it, but I’m just responding to the topic you brought to the table. I’d honestly like to talk to you directly and improve the conversation. Otherwise, I can’t say I’m looking forward to a Mandate video. I think it’s just gonna be Sonic Twitter fandom discourse encapsulated in a video, complaining about Shadow or whatever.
@CatholicPiccolo
@CatholicPiccolo Жыл бұрын
Mucho Texto
@yungmuney5903
@yungmuney5903 Жыл бұрын
"If you're missing that Sonic you're not missing Sonic, you're missing a fake" Bruh shut the fuck up with that gatekeeping bullshit. Seriously the most I got from this essay is you just enforcing your personal preference, and I get the impression that you don't value any other's perspectives, especially your take on archie and other shows. Why doesn't it matter? Why doesn't it count? How is it not valid? Do people who liked archie or other depictions not matter??? This entire comment reeks of christian fundumentalism.
@solidusgadget
@solidusgadget Жыл бұрын
@@CatholicPiccolo have you read The Bible?
@CatholicPiccolo
@CatholicPiccolo Жыл бұрын
@@solidusgadget Yes, that's a mucho texto ×1000000
@cozyoni1425
@cozyoni1425 Жыл бұрын
I think Sonic having a relationship isnt a bad idea. The said partner just needs to be as adventurous as he is. I think Amy does fit that well especially when u look at how shes depicted in SA1 and 2 and IDW.
@neondouble_
@neondouble_ Жыл бұрын
The answer to the title: no.
@rextarchannel2167
@rextarchannel2167 Жыл бұрын
Sonic’s love interest needs to be “the size of an average human mother” If you know, you know….
@incidentalreelz
@incidentalreelz Жыл бұрын
Oh god why
@mrmelonman2893
@mrmelonman2893 Жыл бұрын
I don't get it
@sonicfanboy3375
@sonicfanboy3375 Жыл бұрын
@@mrmelonman2893 you poor innocent youth
@Nativefall
@Nativefall Жыл бұрын
The only Relationship sonic is in is his Right Hand...
@enzoamore8971
@enzoamore8971 Жыл бұрын
Nativ
@christophercarrasco154
@christophercarrasco154 Жыл бұрын
After hearing that she does tarot, I always thought it'd be funny if they portrayed Amy as this creepy mystic chick who can get a little too affectionate because she doesn't have any friends.
@ChaozQuartz
@ChaozQuartz Жыл бұрын
All I'm gonna say is that the way Sonic and Knuckles keep looking at each other in Frontiers, Origins, and even a little in IDW, that's a lil fruity. I think Sonic should be able to show those kind of emotions tho to make him feel like an actual character.
@sonicwithglasses131
@sonicwithglasses131 Жыл бұрын
what 😐
@rainpooper7088
@rainpooper7088 Жыл бұрын
@@sonicwithglasses131 They gay. They gay. 'Cause if Sonic gay and Knuckles gay… Then they gay.
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
That's a look Sonic gives to MANY different characters, not just Knuckles.
@natoriousthehopeful2786
@natoriousthehopeful2786 Жыл бұрын
I would honestly love to see Sonic have a girlfriend again, and I am not just saying that because I ship him and Blaze; I think it would show a more honest and vulnerable side to the character, which would give him a lot more depth.
@natoriousthehopeful2786
@natoriousthehopeful2786 Жыл бұрын
@Mitistouchyamama I think a male character can be goal oriented and have a relationship as well: one doesn't have to interfere with the other
@natoriousthehopeful2786
@natoriousthehopeful2786 Жыл бұрын
@Mitistouchyamama I imagine Sonic would be a bit more laid back about it, which would mean his girlfriend would probably understand that; which in turn allows us to logically look at his options if they ever went that route. Amy would be out because, well you know... Cream is out because she is WAAAY too young Rouge (oddly enough) could work, but then she's kind of in something with either Knuckles or Shadow Blaze (this is SLIGHTLY biased) would be totally understanding of Sonic's adventurous nature and obligations (given her own): granted, they would take long distance to the extreme with the dimension hopping. And now that the comics are (kinda) canon... Surge: No. I'm sorry but no. I love Surge, but girl got legitimate psychological and emotional issues (courtesy of being kidnapped and gaslit by Starline). If anything, Sonic would be more interested helping Surge than dating her Whisper: this could work (maybe), but given Whisper's past and just now coming to terms with having friends again... Let's not rush anything Tangle: if you thought I was biased with Blaze, I am doubling down on Tangle: she is practically a female Sonic already (minus the speed and she is somewhat more expressive). I could TOTALLY see them traveling together, Fighting Eggman, and helping people from time to time, calling their adventures "dates" Belle: imma be real with you G: I forgot about this character until I reach the end of making this post. I'll just say I don't think it would work
@user-vz5jp6xg6p
@user-vz5jp6xg6p Жыл бұрын
Thanks for not referencing Guptill89's work here. Must've taken great restraint.
@Magloyr
@Magloyr Жыл бұрын
It ain’t that sonic ain’t allowed, it’s just that he don’t wanna.
@FattyFatMatt
@FattyFatMatt Жыл бұрын
Some could say “Sonic has no maidens”
@tf_is_this_shit
@tf_is_this_shit 6 ай бұрын
"You say I don't have maidens, but where are yours?!" -some purple lookin' guy
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Жыл бұрын
Ahem. *No.*
@supescape6323
@supescape6323 Жыл бұрын
Anakin is a good example of that.
@Gnidel
@Gnidel Жыл бұрын
I don't think that Sonic isn't specifically interested in relationships, but he wasn't interested in Amy specifically. In her very first appearance she violated his personal space by hugging him against his consent, in Heroes she wanted to use violence to force him into marriage. If her behavior was taken seriously, she would be jailed for sexual assault. Why would Sonic want to be with a violent stalker? Poor Sonic was so traumatized that his first emotion after seeing Amy was genuine FEAR. Compare that with Elise, who was great for Sonic to spend downtime with. That's why they clicked together. Consent is cool, kids. Either way, I think Sonic should be able to get into relationship now. 90s are over, 00s are over, this days love is cooler no matter what form it takes. I think we might enter the era when wholesome is the new cool. Just treat Sonic with respect. If Amy treats him with respect now, if they can support each other instead of being dead weight, I am fine with them being together. In Unleashed Amy proven that she can behave civilized, in Black Knight they dated (Sonic got suddenly isekai'd but the intent was there), in Generations she was on his birthday and in Frontiers she is a part of his adventuring team and Sonic does girlfriend back grab. Sonamy is canon now, Sonic seems okay with this and so am I.
@comixproviderftw_02
@comixproviderftw_02 Жыл бұрын
I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different. I mean… It would be character development at least, and it would show a side of Sonic that doesn’t really get explored all much. Yeah, he loves his friends, in the way he loves them like they’re his family. But still. Between Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Prime, I’m noticing Sonic has become a lot more caring and compassionate towards Amy recently. Because usually the whole bit with them is Amy has a crush on him, Sonic brushes her off but still cares for her as a friend. But those two instances were different.
@chocolateturtle7106
@chocolateturtle7106 Жыл бұрын
I think you said the same thing twice
@hanakosan4404
@hanakosan4404 Жыл бұрын
Yup they did
@nc375
@nc375 Жыл бұрын
@@chocolateturtle7106deadass ☠️ still right though
@yourehereforthatarentyou
@yourehereforthatarentyou Жыл бұрын
@@chocolateturtle7106 lmao i’ve done it before, copy & pasting to try and format a comment better and not even realize what i had done
@mr.whimsic6902
@mr.whimsic6902 Жыл бұрын
It'd be nice to see a video covering all the Sega Mandates and his thoughts onto them. I'm also glad to see how Sonic Prime handled the hedgehog from what I've seen so far.
@bellonacanino3422
@bellonacanino3422 7 ай бұрын
Personally, I don't think Sonic's the relationship type, but he also isn't devoid of having romantic feelings for someone. He can like someone, but he'd rather keep that to himself. Sonic seems self-aware enough to know that a relationship wouldn't really work out for him, not just in terms of personality, but also the dangers that could come with it, like Eggman targeting Sonic's partner. I feel like Sonic wouldn't dare to take that risk, so, as heart-wrenching as it may be for him, he'd rather keep any feelings he has for someone bottled up inside. That isn't to say that these emotions wouldn't manifest themselves in little ways, like a sweet but small gesture that hints at his feelings.
@UmLunaticoSolarLunario
@UmLunaticoSolarLunario Жыл бұрын
Sonic is like Peter Pan, an escapism entity that isn't involved with long life compromise, because if it happens, it can means that his status as a freedom husband will have to be interrupted, Amy, Sally or any other love interest is like Wendy, a girl that meets him, someone who could be like him but because they are almost in the same position the girl tries to join him on a committed basis, the girl defies his ideas, the romantic settlement is an intruder, the Peter Pan(Sonic) denies this possibility because it would the end of his uncompromised entity status
@antyep
@antyep Жыл бұрын
I think I heard that the creator intentionally made Sonic like Peter Pan. Also if Amy was still how she was around Heroes, she so be Tinkerbell in how jealous she was at Wendy.
@Freedom_fighter_sally_acorn
@Freedom_fighter_sally_acorn 4 ай бұрын
Personally i dont think sonic really cares about love I think he just sees everyone as very close friends
@CheeseNuggetsRulez
@CheeseNuggetsRulez Жыл бұрын
“No, he should have a boyfriend” And the video ends.
@MonkeyLuffy-v3c
@MonkeyLuffy-v3c 3 ай бұрын
Dude .... sonic and elise were never a thing... only reason he acts towards her like that is coz he knows how broken she is and wants to be a shoulder for her to cry on... To show her how to appreciate life more.... "The kiss" was just a way for her to return that kindness back to him
@cradiculous
@cradiculous Жыл бұрын
A whole video covering Sega's mandates actually sounds pretty great
@fatalwaffle1715
@fatalwaffle1715 3 ай бұрын
That's like asking. Should Sonic's Nintendo Counterpart Link get a girlfriend? When he's gotten married before.
@billyboleson2830
@billyboleson2830 12 күн бұрын
Link is sonics counterpart?
@fatalwaffle1715
@fatalwaffle1715 12 күн бұрын
Yes. He's copying the Legend Of Zelda.
@billyboleson2830
@billyboleson2830 12 күн бұрын
@@fatalwaffle1715 even when link is given a personality like in the many different LOZ mangas he acts nothing like sonic
@fatalwaffle1715
@fatalwaffle1715 12 күн бұрын
@billyboleson2830 Well, Link is more humble while Sonic is cocky but they both are main heroes, save the world, and have similar adventures. Just like how Tulin is brave and more of a Warrior while Tails is a coward and is more of a scientist. But they both idolize their main hero and can fly.
@destroyerkitty9434
@destroyerkitty9434 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely positively think Sonic should be able to have close bonds with other characters. But making him settle down in a romantic relationship like in Archie is, at least to me, completely against his lifestyle.
@LAZARUS_PRODUCTIONS
@LAZARUS_PRODUCTIONS Жыл бұрын
To answer this question no
@SetsuneW
@SetsuneW Жыл бұрын
Sonic being Aromantic can make a lot of sense, as many Aro people can and do still "play in that space" or are Grey. It doesn't mean relationships between others can't happen, and others may try to spark up something with Sonic if they're unaware of that Aro status (or presume they're "the one"). Sonic may still view them with fondness and care, but just not be wired for interest in a romantic partner. Plus that leaves more time in the comics for Tangle and Whisper to finally start dating _Bay-beeeee_
@rollingcameraproductions7103
@rollingcameraproductions7103 Жыл бұрын
After meeting Roger Craig Smith today, this is a really good treat. Keep up the good work Splash Dash
@ドラゴンリュー-f1x
@ドラゴンリュー-f1x Жыл бұрын
Every time I see this topic, I'm saddened by the loss of Madonna, and Sally and amy are both great heroines, but saddened by what toxic fans and officials did to them.Even though elise was great.. .
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
This is something that I can agree with .
@hotdiggedydemon
@hotdiggedydemon Жыл бұрын
Nah he just pumps n dumps em
@sanictookabum7863
@sanictookabum7863 Жыл бұрын
That’s the sonic I know
@baggelissonic
@baggelissonic Жыл бұрын
As Sonic is mainly marketed towards kids, it's totally okay to never include any actual relationships. They have gone way too far though. There is a single mother in the games and even in the idw comics kids are never shown with two parents. Honestly, playful banter has never hurt anyone and it probably goes over the head of most kids. Rouge's chemistry with Knuckles is pretty fun, even if they never do absolutely anything, it's still fun seeing them interact in that way
@sonicmastersword8080
@sonicmastersword8080 4 ай бұрын
Yeah-but the fanbase is on the older and more mature side. The kid friendly appeal of the series is something Sega is trying to push-but it is always the old guard that keeps the series alive.
@servedbot7377
@servedbot7377 Жыл бұрын
Eggman: No! Sonic will be forever stuck in the *Friend Zone!* -laughs away-
@Netherwolf6100
@Netherwolf6100 Жыл бұрын
Let's shorten this 14 minute video down to something very simple. Sonic in games - Should remain single until the character and sega dies out Sonic in other media - Go nuts, but remember its non-canon so no flame wars Done and Done.
@Imotiop652
@Imotiop652 9 ай бұрын
SONIC UNDERGROUND WAS MY FAVOURITE SHOW GROWING UP
@nathanjarrett728
@nathanjarrett728 Жыл бұрын
I don't seeSonic and Elise as animal on human. In fact you'd probably be considered racist in that world for calling them animals (that was a joke btw) Those type of relationships happen in fiction where multiple sapient races interact, with Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Bojack Horseman being the main ones that come to mind. Since Sonic can talk he is a personal not an animal. Their relationship is still bad though because it's boring
@bakedbeans5494
@bakedbeans5494 Жыл бұрын
Sonic is an anthropomorphic animal. Kissing a dead corpse is disgusting in and out of fiction.
@antyep
@antyep Жыл бұрын
There’s also the fact that people ship Shadow and Maria more than Sonic and Elise. Yeah, many just see them as siblings but there’re more of that ship than the other. It just feels hypocritical.
@DudaMeras
@DudaMeras Жыл бұрын
@@antyep Is very weird for me people shipping Maria and Shadow lol. Even If she are in her hedgehog forms still very off to me. She will be like a sister for him.
@gustavomartins364
@gustavomartins364 Жыл бұрын
​@@DudaMerasHe is her uncle.
@ufokais
@ufokais Жыл бұрын
Nah give him a boyfriend
@RandomCarfromNFS
@RandomCarfromNFS Жыл бұрын
No
@RandomCarfromNFS
@RandomCarfromNFS Жыл бұрын
No
@Supersammy22_290
@Supersammy22_290 Жыл бұрын
NO
@naitsabes6222
@naitsabes6222 11 ай бұрын
The way he looks at knuckles in frontiers makes it look like that 🤣
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Жыл бұрын
No. Sonic is a free spirit that doesn't like being tied down, not to mention he was conceived as the "Anti-Mario", aka too cool for "lame" stuff like saving princesses for kisses and cake. A serious relationship would only bog down who he is. Maybe this would be fine for Knuckles or Rouge or someone else, but not Sonic.
@sondradaviss2667
@sondradaviss2667 Жыл бұрын
And because of your minds that you're making the character into a bland and forgettable video game character cuz he doesn't really have any emotions then a free spirit. Even more you has more character than him nowadays
@espurrseyes42
@espurrseyes42 Жыл бұрын
@@sondradaviss2667 Being free-spirited doesn't stop him from being a good character. Just look at the Adventure games or Unleashed. He can be free-spirited and still have more depthful stories told about him and his world. What he doesn't need is dating drama tying him down.
@gamefreakDX
@gamefreakDX Жыл бұрын
Now you bring this topic up, I can't actually tell what the general consensus is on Frontiers' take on Amy. I feel like the majority are fine and maybe prefer this Amy, while some, like me, aren't as big on it as it seems to mostly remove one of her main traits of the character.
@mrnoodlr0284
@mrnoodlr0284 Жыл бұрын
Quick correction on the Archie timeline thing, the universe where they get married is an alternate one, it’s non canon to the pre-reboot timeline
@antyep
@antyep Жыл бұрын
And it’s for the best because Penders went to war with Archie when they told him that the 25 years later plot was non canon. Even if Flynn made it slightly better (but that’s not saying much) it’s for the best
@picolocity366
@picolocity366 Жыл бұрын
Sonic's too fast for commitment.
@ayrtonjoga
@ayrtonjoga Жыл бұрын
Sonic: Commitment?! I'M OUTTA HERE!
@DJWingoYT
@DJWingoYT Жыл бұрын
I agree with you splash about the characters just being friendly now I do miss when they had their traits from older games hell on Twitter there’s a discussion about should Amy be like sally or boom Amy or her old self where she’s bubbly light heart girl that loves sonic but still get the job done but I do feel like tails and knuckles are still good I just need all characters that we haven’t seen interact to actually interact instead of just talking to sonic about the next big problem.
@valletas
@valletas Жыл бұрын
I much prefer how amy is now but i get where you are coming from
@DJWingoYT
@DJWingoYT Жыл бұрын
@@valletas I mean I don’t mind it that much but do wish they sprinkled a little of her old traits back in her character
@UmLunaticoSolarLunario
@UmLunaticoSolarLunario Жыл бұрын
She had some nice moments in the past, but for the most part, you don't wanna 2000's(and early 2010's) Amy back
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
Sonic and Knuckles were seriously sassing each other in Frontiers, I haven't gotten to Eggman, but his Messages alone show a lot of sass towards Sonic. So I don't see why you think that all their interactions are the same, or that they all have the same traits. Edit: Left a word out.
@DJWingoYT
@DJWingoYT Жыл бұрын
@@darkhorse744 okay true about the sonic and knuckles part I do think frontiers does a great job of that
@guiltyspark7961
@guiltyspark7961 Жыл бұрын
No, Sonic should keep his virginity for the rest of his life.
@6DADADA
@6DADADA Жыл бұрын
They gave Eggman this incredible design in '06 but then give the main "love interest" the most horrendous model
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
Idk she looks pretty in the Opening cutscene 👀. Same with sonic also looking badass in the Opening.
@Eleoness
@Eleoness Жыл бұрын
Having a love life is not a "need", it is just both a "choice" and a way to live its life. Sonic's perception of life is not to be in a relationship or any sort of romantic scenario, but only to see free and happy people around him. And people's happiness does not depends on only one person's. If so, he would have settled down already, but he did not do it anyway (even when he could), because he knows that it's not the right thing to do.
@flameosaurus1832
@flameosaurus1832 Жыл бұрын
Should people be concerned about relationships in a series staring a blue hedgehog that collects rings and destroys robots?
@markofthewolvessucks8930
@markofthewolvessucks8930 Жыл бұрын
People will always find a way to complain about Sonic. Game is to fast game is too slow, game is too easy game is too hard etc.
@Scream_Lord
@Scream_Lord Жыл бұрын
You pretty much hit the nail on the head on how I feel about Sonic and Sally. They had this history and chemistry that just makes them enjoyable too watch. Not controlling each other but balancing each other out. Even int eh Archie comics when they're written properly you can see that they love each other but also don't want to steo on each other's toes. When they did get back together Sally even apologies for slapping him and they joke about it. If Archie didn't just let Ken Penders kill the orginal canon we'd probably still be getting their comics and the Mecha Sally Arc would be concluded by now.
@misterzygarde6431
@misterzygarde6431 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Sonic, Sally, and Amy got to watch a shipping war occur online. There’s this composer who goes by sen-pi who also does art and one of it is of Sonic and Haru from Persona 5 as a couple. It’s pretty cute looking tbh. Personally I have Ryuko from Kill la Kill paired up with Sonic as a crackship.
@yourself1210
@yourself1210 Жыл бұрын
You got to ship her with shadow
@misterzygarde6431
@misterzygarde6431 Жыл бұрын
@@yourself1210 Eh, thought Ryuko and Sonic would be more fun together.
@oranjaglad8648
@oranjaglad8648 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Sally and Amy would be disgusted, since they’re friends in the Archie comics. Meanwhile Sonic would either be confused or laughing at all of this.
@darkhorse744
@darkhorse744 Жыл бұрын
Who's Haru? Edit: P5 Haru?
@zestytriss5282
@zestytriss5282 Жыл бұрын
@@oranjaglad8648 I never understood 2 girls being best friends that they both know they like the same boy.
@sandstorm9290
@sandstorm9290 7 ай бұрын
Honestly I really like Amy in sonic boom she was really her own character yet still was interested in sonic and they would have dates and stuff that they would reference and even show sometimes in a few episodes
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