Nazi Germany and the Catholic Church

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[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

MARX - Besides his self-hating racism of Jews, he was a self-centered narcissist that insisted on his way with everything. His wife was quoted as stating "He's my big baby". While his wife and children lived in dirt poverty and near starvation, Marx always made sure he had his wine and cigars. He never got his hands calloused for doing blue collar work, but struggled to get his articles published. His rich capitalist buddy Engels, who inherited his Daddy's textile business and lived like an aristocratic Bourgeoisie, kept bailing out Marx over and over, until he finally just set him up on a monthly stipend. Marx chased down every family and friend's inheritances, even though in his Communist Manifesto one of his platforms was to abolish inheritances! It was always "Do as I say, not as I do" with Marx. Marx burned through money like there was no tomorrow. When Marx moved to England, he purchased a very nice middle class house, with servants and then took his family on a three week vacation. Afterward, he threw a party for his daughter and 50 of her friends. Then he was in debt again, and Engels had to bail him out again. Marx later got his unpaid housemaid pregnant, and never acknowledged the child. He convinced Engels to claim it was his son, so Marx reputation would not "suffer". Marx never cared about the poor or the working class. It was always about himself. He never went to a protest, never mingled with the workers, but always put himself as "special" to live like the very Bourgeoisie he was jealous of.

[@luongo7886]

Thanks for the info. Can you please provide sources?

[@mbphorseback7709]

Engels was Marx Sugar Daddy

[@HowieHoward-ti3dx]

Hey Merx did not hate himself, He was a Jew who hated Christians and the west. Get it right!

[@loveandmercy9664]

St. Charbel we can't forget after the grand mufti of Jerusalem pact with Hitler and the Arab revolt against Jewish immigration to the British mandate lead to a stop of Jewish immigration which could have saved untold amount of lives. Many Maronites risked their lives to smuggle Jewish people into what would become future Israel.

[@abramwarpness6053]

@@luongo7886 Das Kapital is one source.

[@TheMobius011]

I find it interesting that people will take at face value any criticism or slander of The Church without evidence or understanding, but then turn and deny the existence of Christ because they claim insufficient evidence

[@kyrptonite1825]

They “claim” is an important word

[@kyrptonite1825]

Copy/Paste: The Catholic Church actually saved more J-ws than every J-wish relief organization combined at the time. The Pope was living in an area (Italy), that was under heavy Axis control, and so he literally stated he played along. But the Pope secretly released propaganda and Teachings against the naz-s and his J-ws in his own home. He wouldn’t have been able to help as many people by directly going against their regime. That’s what I’ve heard at least.

[@Liverpoolfc9karim]

Nazi belts literal say “got mit uns” God is with us, the first treaty hitler signed was with the Catholic Church party to dissolve so they Nazi party had no opposition left , it’s revolting you people deny blatant evidence. Hitlers birthday was celebrated from the pulpits of the church, this is on video for Christ sake!!!!

[@hillbilly4christ638]

So, do you defend the Vatican slaughter of seventy to eighty million Christians? Do you deny that the Vatican is the Babylonian priesthood? Do you deny that they ran a rat line to facilitate the escape of Nazi war criminals? They are rich and powerful, but cannot change history. God knows every hair on their heads too.

[@wesley2179]

Lol no. We have documents that literally show that show they had a good relationship. Hell I mean we literally know that the poor at the time helped nazis get out of Germany

[@ludwighaugg8239]

As a german catholic, i am really thankful for this video. It is a common misconception that the nazis were a hardcore traditionalist movement, which is in no way true. They despised "the old germany" for its weakness and wanted to create something entirely new, with neo-paganist roots as well. It is really unfortunate how many misconceptions about the catholic church and her role in history are spread. They are even tought in many not so good schools. And i was really happy when you mentioned that the catholics (like my great grandpa) were far less likely to vote for the nazis, cause this fact is not very known nowadays, unfortunately they were already a minority back then.

[@bedrosnersesyan6975]

Is it true Hitler told Gering, and Gering wrote, "the only religion I respect is Islam"?

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Indeed, he was a heretic and thus apostate, however the modern world would like to conceal this fact. It’s by design.

[@VizziMoto]

Jesus did say His Church would be persecuted. I can’t name another Church that is more publicly ridiculed and a Faith that is more universally persecuted then the Catholic Church and Catholic Christians.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@VizziMoto And that towards the end the world would lose its faith for the most part (just like what happened in the time of Noah).

[@butterflybeatles]

@@bedrosnersesyan6975 Who knows and who cares? I don't think religion was uppermost in his mind.

[@richdouche8253]

I agree, but what about the Church supporting Nazis looking to flee to Spain and Argentina? (Not a slanderous question... Just wondering what justifications are given.)

[@igorlopes7589]

Those that say the Church created the ratlines are speaking as if Pius XII knew some clergymen were helping with them. His opposition to n*zi ideology in Summi Pontificatus suggests otherwise. Indeed, the n*zis hated the Papal Encyclicals Mit Brenender Sorge and Summi Pontificatus

[@gyrogeek]

It was called the Rat Lines. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I don’t see a good reason why the Nazis were given a helping hand to escape justice from the Church and the Red Cross.

[@chrisgroom4707]

The Catholic church is the most loved& hated institution in the world. Why so much bitterness of those outside the when i've hard ever in my 72 yrs have heard any from the church. It has been through many crises and has stood for 1990 yrs. Love youJesus

[@lois2997]

No kidding I never once heard a priest bash a Protestant during mass but I heard pastors bash Catholics when I attended those churches

[@leoinsf]

If the pattern of the children of Catholics who refuse to go to Church after they leave the family home is relevant, the Catholic Church's days are numbered no matter what Catholics think.

[@lloydfrancis9149]

For good reason maestro

[@WaktuPagiYuk]

People worship and defend religion blindly without understanding who's Jesus Christ who already showed us the perfect example how to become *TRUE* Christian. *Jesus Christ REJECT the offered from Satan to have Political power.* He also forced by His disciples and the Jews to be the King of Jews. *Jesus FOCUS on serving the people directly rather than in Political OFFICE that the world use.* *MARK 12:17* - Render to Caesar and God's. *The World and the Heaven has conflict interest:* 1. Satan is jealous. 2. GOD is also jealous. *AMOS 3:3 -* Can two walk together, except they be agreed? That's the reason why Satan wanted Jesus to bow down to him in order to receive such power that Satan has in this world. The result: *Jesus REFUSED the offers.* That's the reason why Christians and Jews are the most hated people in the world, because Jesus was also hated by the world. *JOHN 15:18* The only institution that has the most wealth and power and influence by default is Roman Catholicism: 1. Infallible/above the law. 2. Control the World Organizations. 3. Has Political and Religious Power. The system is greyish, because it mixed with Politics. *The system REJECT Jesus Christ teaching at all cost.* It focus on Office, and power, and politics, and law, and money, church tall building, *AUTHORITY, HIERARCHY,* man-made Dogma, Anathema, Indulgence or paying license to sins, corruption, etc. *All Catholic nations have the worst criminal and fatality rates in the world.* Europe, the Philippines, South America, and Africa. All went downhill. *Surprisingly, their BIG tall Cathedrals still standing eventhough empty.* Since 2020, where Judicial system already have 8 R.C.C out 9, U.S.A become trash. *Welcome to the New World Order under Papacy.* *REVELATION 13:3 -* The world wonder after the beast. We are under Rome through Roman Catholicism: 1. The Pope is Pontifex Maximus. 2. Caesar is Pontifex Maximus. *Therefore, the Pope is the Caesar. He is the continuation of Roman power under sheep clothes.* People who already understand this chose to become Atheist, just like in Europe and US. They're tired being lied to. At the same time, they generalized Roman Catholic as Christian. *Even Roman Catholic members NEVER called themselves Christians.* TRUE Christians are growing. They are the people who understand that they're not following Roman's power anymore: 1. Jesus Christ follow GOD His father. 2. The disciples obey GOD (the Creator) rather than men (creation). *TRUE Christian obey GOD the Creator, rather than any man.* *ACTS 5:29 -* Obey Jesus Christ, not the Pope. *JOHN 14:15 -* Jesus Christ said, "If you love Me, *keep My commandments".*

[@WaktuPagiYuk]

People worship and defend religion blindly without understanding who's Jesus Christ who already showed us the perfect example how to become *TRUE* Christian. *Jesus Christ REJECT the offered from Satan to have Political power.* He also forced by His disciples and the Jews to be the King of Jews. *Jesus FOCUS on serving the people directly rather than in Political OFFICE that the world use.* *MARK 12:17* - Render to Caesar and God's. *The World and the Heaven has conflict interest:* 1. Satan is jealous. 2. GOD is also jealous. *AMOS 3:3 -* Can two walk together, except they be agreed? That's the reason why Satan wanted Jesus to bow down to him in order to receive such power that Satan has in this world. The result: *Jesus REFUSED the offers.* That's the reason why Christians and Jews are the most hated people in the world, because Jesus was also hated by the world. *JOHN 15:18* The only institution that has the most wealth and power and influence by default is Roman Catholicism: 1. Infallible/above the law. 2. Control the World Organizations. 3. Has Political and Religious Power. The system is greyish, because it mixed with Politics. *The system REJECT Jesus Christ teaching at all cost.* It focus on Office, and power, and politics, and law, and money, church tall building, *AUTHORITY, HIERARCHY,* man-made Dogma, Anathema, Indulgence or paying license to sins, corruption, etc. *All Catholic nations have the worst criminal and fatality rates in the world.* Europe, the Philippines, South America, and Africa. All went downhill. *Surprisingly, their BIG tall Cathedrals still standing eventhough empty.* Since 2020, where Judicial system already have 8 R.C.C out 9, U.S.A become trash. *Welcome to the New World Order under Papacy.* *REVELATION 13:3 -* The world wonder after the beast. We are under Rome through Roman Catholicism: 1. The Pope is Pontifex Maximus. 2. Caesar is Pontifex Maximus. *Therefore, the Pope is the Caesar. He is the continuation of Roman power under sheep clothes.* People who already understand this chose to become Atheist, just like in Europe and US. They're tired being lied to. At the same time, they generalized Roman Catholic as Christian. *Even Roman Catholic members NEVER called themselves Christians.* TRUE Christians are growing. They are the people who understand that they're not following Roman's power anymore: 1. Jesus Christ follow GOD His father. 2. The disciples obey GOD (the Creator) rather than men (creation). *TRUE Christian obey GOD the Creator, rather than any man.* *ACTS 5:29 -* Obey Jesus Christ, not the Pope. *JOHN 14:15 -* Jesus Christ said, "If you love Me, *keep My commandments".*

[@theragra]

Thank you Brian, I'm a Pole and a Catholic, and I thank you for what you've said. May God bless you and keep you.

[@lordvader5246]

It was really sad what happened to the poles. Victims of the warmongering British. Poland could have flourished and opposed communism but all they did was get stabbed in the back by the "allies."

[@EasternOrthodox101]

🤺☦🇷🇺Is that so...? Well, until this day your country is antisemitic and just a year ago stopped paying compensations for holocaust survivors. The survivors themselves always made it clear that you Poles were soooo antisemitic, and hardly any of you saved Jews, on the contrary, you gladly turned them in to Hitler and you loved the Nazis. You are not true Catholics and never were - that is why you're hostile traitors to us, your Slavic relatives. You are a USA puppet state and a part of the modern secular world, so why pretending to be Catholics?🤷‍♂️

[@danjackson5989]

What were your ancestors doing in WWII? Collaborating? Hiding? Or were they running the camps? Like good Catholics.

[@EasternOrthodox101]

@@danjackson5989 Poles are not true Catholics so stfц!!!

[@danjackson5989]

So they're FAKE Catholics? They turned in their Jewish neighbours and ran the ghettos and labour camps. They were cowardly and Anti-semitic enough to be ACTUAL Catholics. lol.@@EasternOrthodox101

[@save2a4all]

Highly recommend the movie "A Hidden Life" (2019) based on the true story of a Catholic farmer in Austria during WWII as Nazism took over... Blessed Franz Jägerstätter.

[@terratremuit4757]

Great movie

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Given that a ton of priests and nuns were chucked into Dachau, the claim that the Roman Catholic Church “supported” the Nazis should be taken with a grain of salt.

[@HowieHoward-ti3dx]

Those nuns and priests were commies and they were right in being chucked into Dachau.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@HowieHoward-ti3dx What are you, a pagan? Yes, the deiciders (the real communists) shouldn’t have been let off the hook, but Hitler was still a heretic and apostate.

[@m.forrestal5893]

An excellent video. Thankfully, little of the content is new to me, but sadly far too few people know about it. So thank you for making it readily available.

[@istvanpeterporkolab7918]

I really hope and pray people won't see the Catholic Church as Communist because Pope Francis had gone to Cuba and met Castro back in 2015.

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

If you protect 🇮🇱 communists, yes, then they will. Bad idea since 🇮🇱 is torturing people and running pedophile blackmailing rings.

[@kevinkelly2162]

Nah, most of us see you as child abusers and apologists for child abusers. Is that better?

[@astutik8909]

Cuba is almost 100% catholic and cumunist. And was run by jesuit catholic castro. Italy was fascist and 100% catholic and run by catholics. Hitler was catholic. Everyone who knows, knows ww1 ww2 was just another catholic crusade against christians and jews. Wake up.

[@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295]

​@@batmanbad5091 lwft and right wingers arent traditionist. Capitalism is liberal thing same goes to all economical systems.

[@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295]

​@@astutik8909 wrong history lol hitler wasnt catholic he was atheist. He didnt like christianity same as judaism he also wanted to dechristianise country after winning. wwII

[@luisoncpp]

This is probably one of your best videos so far. I knew some of those things, but not all of them and it's good to have them put together like this.

[@karleimers5066]

I was almost turned away by the 20 minute length, but glad I watched! Excellent recap of the Nazi-Catholic canard. I've studied this topic after learning of the character assassination of Pius XII. You provided some facts I've not seen before, particularly the voting record of Catholic vs. Protestant Germany regarding Hitler. Well done!

[@marcen3486]

Pope XII was hiding in Vatican the Rabbi of Rome Synagoge

[@jesusgonzalez-acton8045]

National Socialism and Fascism are two distinct things. The eugenics practiced in Italy consisted of literacy campaigns and education on hygiene for instance, there were special schools for disabled children with trained teachers to meet their needs. The obsession with biological racism and nordic race mysticism was unique to German National Socialism. Look at Distributism, basically the Church’s outline for an economic system, and how it’s mirrored pretty well by proto-fascist Sorelian theories on the general strike and syndicalism.

[@independentthought3390]

Very true, there is not much Fascism in National Socialism, apart from Hitler mimicking Mussolini in speeches. Fascism was a lot more traditionalist, while National Socialism almost Marxist.

[@independentthought3390]

@@hakuyuki6859 It was. Hitler himself said once that National Socialism captured the true essence of revolutionary Marxism, and Soviets were just impostors.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​​@@independentthought3390 There's even less Socialism in "National Socialism" than there is Fascism in it. Even a cursory knowledge of history and political philosophy reveals that. Not everything with a big government is Marxist. That's an absurd characterization.

[@Vezmus1337]

The whole idea of progressivism is rooted in Modernist thinking. For the Church, real progress is found in adherence to an objective standard of living set down once and for all by Jesus Christ, and in keeping the traditional dogma ("progress of dogma is corruption of dogma"). The Enlightenment philosophers believed in a notion of scientific progress beginning with man's capacity to Reason. This shift in paradigm from religious thought to scientific thought changed the rationale for antisemitism from an earlier religious form (see Martin Luther and his "On the Jews and their Lies") to one based on a secular theory of genetic "progress". Nazi antisemitism was a product of scientific racism, itself a product of Modernism which the Church has everywhere opposed. The Nazi regime would have liked to have used national Churches as a means for controlling the public, but the universalism of Catholicism made that impossible.

[@claudiabettina]

The fact that most Protestant Germany in the north voted for Nazis and that most of the Catholics in Southern Germany did not vote for the Nazis is an eye-opener for me. My parents come from Northern Germany and immigrated to Canada in the late 50s, and indeed my mother is a Protestant, although she was just a child growing up during WWII. I became Catholic in my late 20s and have met a couple in my parish from Bavaria who are Catholic.

[@bryansmulez4672]

Fake news

[@bigploppa154]

@@radagast1708 it says a lot when you realize that 150k Catholics were sent to Auschwitz and thousands of Catholic Priests were killed by Nazis

[@potatomongrel]

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[@whitehorse4318]

It's funny how Christians committed Holocaust. 🤣🤣

[@ikkinwithattitude]

The book Church of Spies is really interesting in this regard -- it makes a convincing case that Pope Pius XII felt like active assistance would do more harm than good after the tragic fallout of the Dutch bishops' criticism and decided instead to actively assist those who sought to overthrow Hitler from the shadows.

[@ultimouomo11]

Yeah I heard about the brutal crackdown by the Nazis once those Dutch Bishops raised their voices publicly in opposition. The Nazis wiped out an entire town the next day in response.

[@DetectiveThursday]

I mean in his case, definitely. The Lateran treaty which gave the Vatican independence was still fairly new at the time having only been signed 10 years before the start of the war. even still, being surrounded on all sides by Mussolini's fascist Italy effectively made the pope a hostage who lived and died purely based on how much of a threat the axis powers saw him as. covert support for the allies was the only way to go for him.

[@outoforbit-]

The pope needed to be discreet, in that way alot less people were out at risk. He was careful not careless.

[@stevecinneide8183]

that is not from an academic press and the author himself admits that: 1. Pius XII never issued a public protest on Oct. 16, 1943 or when Mussolini was disposed, or when the Allies took Rome, quite the opposite: he was ANGRY that allied soldiers "violated" Vatican grounds.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

@@stevecinneide8183 Given the current state of academia, I'm actually inclined to consider "not from an academic press" a positive rather than a negative. =P

[@acethemain7776]

those people probably had a bone to pick with the church. Probably some sort of trauma (aka the church told them not to sin)

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Those that don't like to face their own failings.

[@davidpacheco7895]

Maybe the church abused them when they were children like countless others

[@Outrider74]

People forget that Mussolini, the father of fascism, was originally a socialist, who believed that Socialism did not go far enough. He did not see himself as being against Socialism, but saw himself as taking Socialism to the next revolutionary step.

[@iMakz07]

Problem?

[@bjehulk]

You’re only partly correct. Mussolini used to be a revolutionary socialist but he was excommunicated because he was primarily a nationalist and was opposed to the idea of international socialism. It was at this point he started collaborating with Giovanni Gentile and they developed fascism which has elements of socialism within but it’s wholly opposed to communism. From 1922 up until WWII, Mussolini actually did wonderful things in Italy. Even though he was as atheist for most of his life he did repent before his death and it’s been confirmed he’s in Heaven

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Thank you for tackling a very complex/sensitive topic and providing actual data. The maps of Nazi concentration vs Catholic concentration were especially informative.

[@griffinguy6905]

Love your work Mr. Holdsworth.

[@kateguilfoyle5155]

Thank you for that video! It was marvellous! The Concordat, the so-called ‘treaty’ was what enabled the protection of ‘non-Aryan Catholics’ - as you mentioned , including Edith stein. It also enabled the monasteries and convents to shelter Jewish and other persecuted people. The Vatican also sheltered communists, by the way, even though they were opposed to their ideology. There is nothing accidental in the fake hypocrisy of ‘academics’ ruminating on whether the pope/ Catholic Church did these heroic acts. The evidence is there - not least in contemporaneous newspapers reports by third parties , including Jewish newspapers and English (Times etc/ NY Times). It shows their bad faith when they twist a concordat to claim they were in sympathy. The Jews executed the Harara agreement with the Nazi regime - nobody claims they were sympathetic. Treaties are not friendship knots - for a ‘scholar’ to represent this is evidence of sympathy is cynical manipulation. That is why videos such as yours are very important.

[@frederickanderson1860]

The concordot of 1933 was for the catholic church the jews who not we're baptized into the church we're left to their fate.the catholic central party was Hitler only obstacle to his policies. The blood libel was in catholic Spain. Long before Hitler, the wearing of the yellow star and ghettos no government positions, was in the papal states long before Hitler. You forget the past history of the persecutions 9f the jews as God killers, and the horrendous libel of killing Christian children and their blood used in the passover.

[@butterflybeatles]

The school system has done a superb job on you, Brian.

[@awesomemccoolname7111]

I would say he did well in spite of the school system.

[@butterflybeatles]

@@awesomemccoolname7111 Except that he believes the WW2 narrative. He got that from school.

[@Tzimiskes3506]

@@butterflybeatles what narrative?

[@butterflybeatles]

@@Tzimiskes3506 Germans bad -- Allies good.

[@abramwarpness6053]

@@butterflybeatles There is no suppression of the other theories if they gather attention and exist by groups of people. There is no actual eradication of history if there is current information to convince people that the "narrative" is false.

[@gilberturesti338]

Excellent video, great summary 👍

[@patty7016]

Thank you Brian Holdsworth. Keep making videos, you are a blessing to the world.

[@dougmoore5252]

Brian I am a history addict, and am familiar with this history and you are absolutely right!

[@khoalam888]

As Christ was often misunderstood and slandered, His Body, the Church, must suffer the same. This should surprise no Catholic. To me, this is another sign that Christ founded the Catholic Church. In eschatological time, ie I don't know when, maybe it's already been happening in some sense, but I expect the Church to endure a "passion", die and then triumphantly resurrected like Christ did. Totus tuus

[@lois2997]

Yep

[@stevecinneide8183]

are you going to defend Pope John Pollock II too?

[@davidpacheco7895]

Did Jesus cover up child abuse and help nazis escape trial as well?

[@NarrowDC]

You had me when you said you were at the skate park. Thanks for sharing this commentary

[@abramwarpness6053]

You should do a video of integralism.

[@nancygagne5905]

Brian, thank you for another brilliant, insightful video!!! You never disappoint!! The Holy Spirit is guiding you!! Keep up your wonderful work in telling the TRUTH!!! God bless you!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

Germany was right.

[@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295]

​@@leejennifercorlewayres9193 germany wasnt roght mazic were cruel. And they wanted to dechristianise the countrx agter winning wwii.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

He couldn’t argue against Sedevacantism though.

[@kyrptonite1825]

@@leejennifercorlewayres9193hell nah Germany wasn’t right, act more Catholic.

[@CrisisMonday]

Though I disagree with some comments you made about some modern poltics, I completely side with you on this issue. The Nazis wanted complete alliegence to Hitler, and another large institution requiring aliegence to the God above all else is incompatible with Nazi idiology.

[@1234swingit]

Exzellent recherchiert und glasklar vorgetragen. Danke Brian

[@liamenglish5590]

Hello Brian, I'm a young catholic lad trying to sift through the chaos of the Church today. I don't suppose you could do a video on whether or not it is lawful to touch the Chalice as an altar server. Some priests I know claim its merely under "A Rite of Blessing", as titled in the NO Priestly Missal. I know Bishops do consecrate Chalices (though not always) and Aquinas mentions it, but some solid documents and another great response from someone like yourself would be greatly appreciated. God Bless.

[@nymgrace1227]

Thank you for this. Always sucks when you know the truth but folks fail to believ it

[@bernardevillaw3410]

The truth is that the catholic church is the world's largest child rape cult, using Jesus to commit rampant child rape. 330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every single catholic. Always sucks when you know the truth but catholics fail to believe it and refuse to obey Jesus.

[@steelcrown7130]

Not so much fail to believe it, as REFUSE to believe it.

[@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295]

​@@bernardevillaw3410 this are heretics and sick clerics not real catholic ones bit fake.

[@lavedasutton4267]

Not true! The churches had the Nazi flags inside! Absolutely disgusting! Many books on the subject by very credible people!

[@bigploppa154]

@@steelcrown7130 agreed. i was raised in the US and we are taught there that the Nazis were Christian and attacked Jews (we only talk about Jewish victims in US). this is because our country is ran by Protestants and Jews. by being the sole victim the Jews are now in a place where they cannot be criticized to any extent in my country, by making Nazis all Christians instead of just Protestants, the WASPs who rule my country can continue to stand on their high horse and suggest that it was traditionalist Catholic values that pushed Germany towards fascism. our history is told through a Jewish/Protestant lens and likely will be for the rest of time. the only President my country has ever had who practiced our religion was killed by my own government

[@Tom-zc9gs]

The stories of Edith Stein and Father Maximilian Kolbe are some of the most tragic, heartbreaking yet hopeful stories of sacrifice that only true, holy martyrs could have lived through. Also, another story that is a bit less known is the murders of the White Rose group, a Catholic student group of the University of Munich persecuted by the Gestapo for voicing their dissent against the regime: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose Young kids, facing death for justice and the Eternal Truth. There have been collaborationists, sure, as opportunists or frightened individuals. But the true faithful to Christ and the Church were the saints and martyrs that faced the regime and were persecuted for it.

[@chrisg0001]

Could you tell us a quick reason why you wear a vest? I legitimately want to know

[@user-ks3qr5fk6m]

It’s more dressy than just a button up, but not as warm and bulky as a sweater. Or he reads a lot of Chesterton. Regardless, guys style has become super laxed during the years so I’m glad to see Brian dressing up. I’m a woman and I see that more women are starting to wearing skirts, dresses and nice sweaters. Everyone has the freedom to dress however they want but it’s nice to see people dress nice. The ripped jeans and T-shirt look is getting old.

[@joer9156]

How do you know he wears a vest? You can't see any vest in this video, just his shirt and his waistcoat. He doesn't have enough shirt buttons undone to see if he is wearing a vest underneath.

[@user-ks3qr5fk6m]

@@joer9156 I thought his waistcoat was called a vest. I learned a new word. English is not my first language. Correction: Vests and Waistcoats are the same thing in America.

[@lt5231]

Thank you! Excellent video!

[@eleasy1976]

Out of all the bad things that have happened in the world people STILL only ever want to talk about Nazis, Nazis, Nazis.

[@Torqueware]

Certain Academics have ensured that we cannot have a mature discussion on the horrors of Communism

[@strikevipermkII]

Remember Goodwins Law...

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

They weren't even wrong. It's propaganda to keep demonizing the Germans when it wasn't their fault the 🇮🇱 attacked them.

[@JRLeeman]

I mean…they are pretty much the definitive article when it comes to “bad things that have happened in the world” - the closest government has ever come to objectively evil is well worth repeated discussion.

[@ruggedv2extra337]

yeah no one seems to bring up the horrors of britain’s imperialism and how it resulted in 1.8 billion additional completely avoidable deaths in india… true tragedy

[@zenden6564]

Thankyou Brian for that defence and clarification. Not everyone can be ideally courageous when put to the ultimate test. It is left to psychologists to explain why some people far removed from the conflict in the comfort of their armchairs impugn the character of people actually doing their best while caught up in the Nazi machinery of death. Even among the German Protestants there were some heroic anti-Nazi's, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer too of course.

[@Nonreligeousthiestic]

I was looking to see what you had to say about the conduct of catholics in places like Croatia where it seems they were directly inplicated in war crimes including the murder of Orthodox christians, but you did not mention any of that. If you did your research you would be aware of this issue which is kind of shocking.

[@DarrenEdwards-wn8kq]

Excellent explanation Brian.

[@samanthavillagomez997]

Good Talk!!

[@brokula1312]

This channel, PWA and The Counsel of Trent are core of KZbin's Catholic scene. Glad we have you on board Brian. Serve our Lord well and may he bless you with many more subscribers.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Remember a certain debate that exposed all of them though?

[@patrickpelletier9298]

I would add the St. Paul center with Scott Hahn to that list. But yeah, Brian is up there with them

[@xravenx24fe]

​@@collectiveconsciousness5314 what debate are you referring to

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@xravenx24fe The one about Sedevacantism.

[@marce.goodnews]

Love Sensus Fidelium

[@normanpotts9476]

Can you do an episode on the art you have? The one with Jesus I like wondering where to get it.

[@nicaman1953]

"The TRUTH is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself." - St. Augustine "Intellectual freedom is the right of every individual to both seek and receive information from all points of view without restriction." - American Library Association "To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?" - Kevin Alfred Strom "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations." -Winston Churchill in "Hitler and His Choice", The Strand Magazine (November 1935). "The first casualty when war comes is truth." - U.S. Senator Hiram Johnson "Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac." - George Orwell "The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." - Aldous Huxley "History is written by the victors." - Winston Churchill "There are two Histories: the official History, which lies and is taught, and the secret History, where the veritable causes of events are, a shameful History." - Honoré de Balzac (Lost Illusions) "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." - Soren Kierkegaard "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." - Adolf Hitler

[@lukebrown5395]

Pope Benedict and all Catholics during Hitlers reign. They are true saints for enduring that. St Maximilian Kolbe especially.

[@theragra]

❤

[@HowieHoward-ti3dx]

Kolbe was a communist!

[@dpwXXIPolskaPolak]

saint Maxmilian Kolbe was polish with german origins, polish like Ulma family or polish sisters nouns from nazaret family in Nowogrodek in oday Belarus or 110 polish martyrs from 2500 priests and nouns out from from over 1 milion Polish of non jewish origins killed by German nazis , militants of nazi- fascists german minorithy in Poland or by west Ukrainian nazis, nazi fascists militants,

[@lorddevonshire6382]

Good stuff, Brian. We need more of this kind of thing. To understand the enemies of the Church, we really need to understand what makes them tick. That book about Liberalism, Socialism and Fascism looks good. I would also say that along with the main 19th century ideologies, liberalism and socialism, there is also nationalism, which is often regarded as a conservative/right-wing ideology these days, but in 1848 was absolutely a progressive ideology. Where do all these modern ideologies come from, then? As you say, Fascism is called far right, even though it's simply socialism draped with the national flag. The France of the first revolution was the prototype, and in fact all modern ideologies stem from 1789: nationalism (which really kicked off in the 19th century), socialism (and its little brother, fascism), and communism. Racism came along slightly separately, as the poisoned offspring of Darwinism, and with some help from Herbert Spencer. If you want to know the true nature of the inglorious French Revolution, all you need to do is look at Article 3 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen: 'The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation.' That should scare you. It means that all authority is exercised in the name of the state, and no authority can be exercised without the state's permission: the authority of a father over his son, a teacher over his pupils - everything. This is socialism; this is communism; this is fascism (As Mussolini said, 'Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.')

[@jesusgonzalez-acton8045]

French fascism explicitly articulated itself as a total rejection of the French Revolution. You should maybe read their thinkers directly i.e. Charles Maurras, Robert Brasillach, etc. Vichy France was, again, an explicitly Catholic regime.

[@bigploppa154]

agreed, totalitarianism in any of its forms is the enemy

[@Siegfried5846]

Love your enemy

[@willwalsh3436]

All that Brian says is very well grounded in the actual historical evidence. I did my inquiry into this question in the wake of the widely publicized attack on Pius XII by John Cornwell's book "Hitler's Pope" which was published in 1999. Cornwell was obliged to walk back some of his demonstrably false allegations a few years later, and event which got less notice in the press than his accusations. He has continued to justify himself in general terms. In this he has been abetted by the work Danial Kertzer, a Jewish historian very critical of the Church. Here are a couple of additional things I think are worth considering: First, the most famous German dissidents, many of whom were martyred for their opposition, felt compelled to oppose the Nazi's because they were committed Christians. Second, it is an unsettling fact that after the German defeat some Nazi criminals including Adolph Eichmann escaped to South America or hid with the assistance of Catholic clergy. Though I am uncertain I think such instances were likely related to the protection of Jews or others during the war. Enabling escapes often required doing business with the most unsavory agents of the Reich. Some SS killers eventually recognized that their cause was lost and became willing to look the other way on occasion in hopes of creating cover for themselves later. Some may have asked to have their favors repaid in kind.

[@user-fc9iq6le2g]

I heard Christopher Hitchens talk about this. Thank you for clearing this up and giving details about where you got the information from. Thanks

[@kenvee9446]

Quite possibly the most worthwhile Catholic stop on the internet. Always worth listening to.

[@user-sj9lh7se7p]

Thank you for the insightful video Brian. I learned many things about the relationship between the Pope and the Nazis and its dynamics. However, the lower ranks of catholic church were not so high in morale. I implore you to read about the forced conversions to Catholicism in Croatia and Bosnia during WW2, as well about the Ratlines. As someone from the Balkans, these are not easily forgettable.

[@carissahanson9887]

I don’t think there were many priests or nuns or members that would’ve done this I’m sure some. But I sincerely doubt, as many have been Accused supporting Nazis. I think More were complacent. There is a Here in America father Richard he’s going to write a book about some of this completions that happened specifically a day When celebrating mass . I think the book will be called sing a little louder.

[@newglof9558]

Many secular types get unbelievably goofy when it comes to talking about religion and WW2. It's blatant historical inaccuracies to the point it can't be anything but intelectual laziness. Thanks for the vid Brian

[@sebastianofmilan]

Fr fr

[@newglof9558]

@@wambaofivanhoe9307 yes, atheists are goofy when they talk about anything historical

[@cybercheese3]

​@@newglof9558not as goofy as religious people trying to explain dinosaurs

[@johnflorio3576]

Sister Margherita Marchione wrote extensively about Pope Pius XII during the war.

[@marcen3486]

Holocaus Industry by Filkenstein gives a great insight into this issue.

[@vulpespersona]

I believe you mean Norman Finkelstein.

[@marcen3486]

@@vulpespersona Correct. I have misspelled his surname.

[@denkenunddanken5961]

Thank you sir. This is a knew knowledge to me. God bless you.

[@raytowey8079]

Note also the witness of Blessed Franz Jagerstatter an Austrian Catholic who was beheaded for refusing to fight in the German Army in 1943.

[@_I_am_Thunder]

Thanks for the lesson

[@damnedmadman]

But please don't say "Polish concentration camps", but rather "German concentration camps in occupied Poland".

[@augustvonmacksen2526]

How many ethnic Germans did the polish murder before Germany invaded?

[@hansblitz7770]

I used to be concerned about this until theystein hated me.

[@mkosmala1309]

TIK History has some interesting stuff on certain 1900s totalitarian regimes and their shared origins.

[@xiomarablanco5598]

Always look for the truth. Thank you Brian. I know what you say is well researched before. Very reliable source indeed.👍

[@sergeantchrispy2744]

Sadly I “learned” a lot of history from Chick Publications as an impressionable IFB kid, and among the more ridiculous claims in the Crusaders series was about Rome’s complicity in both fascism and communism. Of course the Jesuits took the brunt of those particular allegations, but c’mon we all know the Jesuits are the REAL power in Rome…

[@mkosmala1309]

'Church of Spies' by Mark Riebling is worth the read. It's on this topic.

[@shadow9495]

I love that book

[@stevecinneide8183]

Mass market paperbacks are not a substitute for primary sources.

[@trevorbinning4683]

I think a video on the Ustaše and the Catholic Church in Croatia’s involvement is due, now that this video is out.

[@georgegoodyear9631]

Thank you for this essential education.

[@ricardoheredia7307]

BRILLIANT,THANK YOU BRIAN 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@cp2410]

Hi, Brian! Really liked your video clip. It always irritates me when I read /see these accusations that Pope Pius XII could have stopped Hitler & Mussolini dead in their tracks if only he had made the slightest gesture of disapproval (after France, Britain, and the USA spent the whole 1930's "passing the buck" about Hitler: yes, Hitler is an SOB. Why doesn't someone, BUT NOT ME, do something about him)? What do these critics of Pope Pius XII expect that he was supposed to do? Put on a suit of medieval armor, lead a detachment of Swiss Guards into battle, and then PERSONALLY "take out" the combined German Luftwaffe and Wehmacht? Keep on dreaming!

[@silverhawkscape2677]

If the Church did that they would be screaming of the Church having "too much power" and "Dangerous influence"

[@danielchavolla5421]

Excellent, thanks.

[@yayforeals]

As a Protestant I will say I would rather know the truth over propaganda whether it makes Protestants look good or not and you made some very good points that very few ever have made and people seem to wanna insist that both Protestants and Catholics were in full support of hitler and even like the nazis built a coalition with them but the truth is not as quite as straightforward as that depending on the side and not true much at all from what the actual facts say

[@kdr3619]

One of the best books on this subject is the Church of Spies by Mark Riebling. It sorts out so much, getting it all straight. An AMAZING read. And Pius XII rocked!

[@kyrptonite1825]

The Catholic Church actually saved more J-ws than every J-wish relief organization combined at the time. The Pope was living in an area (Italy), that was under heavy Axis control, and so he literally stated he played along. But the Pope secretly released propaganda and Teachings against the naz-s and his J-ws in his own home. He wouldn’t have been able to help as many people by directly going against their regime. That’s what I’ve heard at least.

[@stevecinneide8183]

It's a terrible book written by a conspiracy theorist that relies on unreliable sources as noted by actual academics who have physically worked in the Vatican archives. Pius XII was a moral failure and to say otherwise is to shirk intellectual responsibility.

[@eduedu4812]

14:45 Polish concentration camps? I assume that you just misspoke, because there was never such a thing as Polish concentration camps, camps were merely built on land taken by Germany.

[@inedanap6253]

The cultural disconnect is definitely a little funny. The controversy around that specific wording doesn't seem to be present anywhere outside of Eastern Europe. In the USA, NOBODY would think that you were blaming the Polish people for death camps when you say "Polish death camp", it's just kind of culturally understood that the phrase means "Nazi death camps in Poland". Ya learn something new every day.

[@tyberiuszXIV]

@@inedanap6253 They were Jewish Death Camps because Jews were imprisoned and killed there. Would such wording be fine for Israeli authorities?

[@tommore3263]

The truth. Thank you sir. I'll be ordering the book which sets out the history and roots of liberalism, fascism and communism. Added clarity is always good. And of course I'll support your work. Thanks again.

[@everetunknown5890]

Great video. One day I hope to understand what this is all truly about.

[@CodiiLuv]

Why not read the Doctrine of Fascism and the different Italian thinkers on this? Go directly to the sources not the critics and recycle the same tripe we have heard over and over and over. When you want to learn about the Catholic Church do you read Catholics and Early Church stuff? Or do you go to some American Baptist or some random Lutheran? Fascism was largely influenced by Catholic Social Theory, Pope Leo the 13th's work, that was being discussed in response to the workers riots in the mid 1800s. It was "modern" but it was responding to many many ills and symptoms of the enlightenment and post Christian theories. As well as a Post monarchy Europe. National Socialist theory was not Fascist (Fascist is distinctly made up of Italian thought, as well as a rejection of the materialist dialectic of Communism). NatSocs was a theory that seemed to evolve with how the state was progressing since the time of the kings. It was distinctly Germany and its economic theory was flawed. But it was just a theory that was responding to the issue that happened with Germany in the 1800s (napoleonic wars) and then with world war 2, and how nationalism itself was becoming the in thing with the establishment of these countries. At lot of this is discussed in Adolfs book as his History teacher was very interested in discussing the German Empire. A concept very fresh in the Germans mind and not so fresh in our Western British Colony mind. The point is that the National Socialism can't be understood through these random critics and most people who are experts on the topic go to original source material. context is everything. There is a lot here that is very very much a surface level understanding of Fascism and it is so frustrating to see that happening time and time again with mainstream Catholics. Confront exactly what is wrong with the ideology! not the wikipedia stuff and post war propaganda and atrocity pr0n. you do nothing for your case to but to keep people in a tiny little box on these topics. Look I like you guys, on Catholic stuff you are great. Its like you can see through all the Bull on those topics but politics your opinions do not seem to sway away from that same left v right dichotomy. But I have been interacting with so many thinkers on these theories, read so many books on these topics and witnessed so many debates between these rivalling groups online that this wikipedia level stuff getting more attention than the internet autists who spend 4 hours at a time explaining this stuff only to get drowned out by mainstream drivel like this; liek the bit about Eugenics. The Natsocs embraced it for the same reason Lobotomies were embraced by America at the times, for the same reason Abortions are embraced today by most people and things like the covid vax was embraced despite the minority of opinions at the time. They embraced it because they too just "follow the science." No Nefarious reason. It isn't to say that the they aren't to blame for doing something objectively evil like Eugenics but to take with a grain of salt that the National socialist were actually intending to do evil. An Aboritionist /believes/ he is helping woman who are suffering. We /believed/ that lobotomies helped the mentally insane. and yes i understand the action remains evil despite the intent. Once you start thinking about the Natsocs as more grey and as proper people existing within a certain politically unstable time and look at the full context of history and that politics is far far more nuanced... (the stories are comically insane, just think for two seconds how something like the Eugenics program that you are discussing could even be possible and not immediately squashed by some sorta protest which was the norm for europe for almost a centaury by this point, you are assuming that an entire country to be complicit and it makes zero sense...) Your enemies dont care that the Catholic Clergy took a picture with the NatSocs. They only use this to irritate you. And they have succeeded with you dwelling like this. "Conservatives" need to stop getting bogged down by World War 2 stuff, no one cared. The Catholic church didn't even care what happened until the narrative was established by the Soviets and the US. Stop dwelling on the NatSocs. When confronted with someone using this to target you the best response is "Yes and?" Your enemies dont care that you yell "Communist" at them, they have embraced it despite the objectively larger number of corpse that flag has under it.

[@iMakz07]

Based

[@anthonyfowler2623]

St. Maximilian kolbe pray for us

[@maciejpieczula631]

Catholic Answers should create an entire course on this topic.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

They’re not Catholic.

[@maciejpieczula631]

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 ok

[@davidvanmersbergen5335]

So how did the Catholic church handle Mussollini? Why did fascism thrive in Italy?

[@AK_Catholic_Traditional]

Fascism in Pro God, Pro Catholic.

[@MJK2600]

Reductio ad hitlerum is trite and boring. What seems "plausible to a lot of people" as Brian says illustrates perfectly the problem with his mindset and those who espouse "conservative" leanings. They allow others, especially those that literally despise them, to define the terms of reality and disagreements. Perhaps it's better to not give credence to the lies and distortions of one's enemies.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Yes, it’s equivalent to giving the devil free reign.

[@DoctorLazertron]

Great work as always, I never associated the Catholic Church with them but I have heard little whispers about it here and there, and since the world is so complex as it is, lots of unconscious opinions and associations are built from made up nonsense. Another reminder to know why you believe what you believe.

[@bernardevillaw3410]

He's lying, of course. The catholic church supported the Nazis, which is why there are no grand objections filling the history books, and the Vatican is full of Nazi art and riches.

[@mateokarlvonpavlovic8295]

​@@bernardevillaw3410 catholic church doesnt auoport them, there might be some traitors in the church that made to support them. Well at the end of the wwII if the nazic would won it than they would dechristianise whole country. Hitler and Himmler also didnt like christianity. Same for fascist but they were less cruel or maybe not.

[@TheLeonhamm]

One tiny addendum: the Reichskonkordat was not with the governing National Socialist German Workers Party but with the German Republic under President Paul von Hindenburg and, as such, it is still in effect today (not being a N*zi law but a German treaty). The Constitution of the German Reich (aka Commonwealth or State) = the Weimar Republic - a sleight on the German Republic (favoured by A H) was still in effect in September 1933, though already governed under State of Emergency legislation since March that year (making a treaty with Germany an even higher priority for Rome, e.g. after the patently expected National Socialist coup d'etat). It was a year later, August 1934, after the death of President von Hindenburg, the German Republic finally and officially became the National Socialist German Workers Party in power .. ceasing to be in effect in May 1945, with Doenitz nominated as President and Head of State (and effective Chancellor) but not Leader or Head of the Na*zi Party. ;o)

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

That's correct. It's was agreed with the Weimar Republic.

[@robertlehnert4148]

The book "Nazi Priests" used the research of the post War denazification program to estimate of the estimated 25,000-30,000 priests in Germany and Austria, about 5% were Nazi sympathizers or even supporters, so 2000-3000 Priests were in favor of the Reich and its aims. The highest ranking pro Reich cleric being a Benedictine Abbot. Considering the documented attitude of the Nazi Heirarchy regards Christianity, they probably considered these clerics "useful idiots", to borrow Lenin's phrase for Western Leftists. That any Catholic, let alone ordained Clergy thought that the Nazis should be supported is a scandal, but like the Abusers, it was a distinct minority, but both Pope Pius XI and XII had to proceed extremely carefully with a regime even the Jewish Bund recognized as a legitimate government.

[@wegil606]

Please, do not use the term “polish concentration camps". They were german concentration camps erected in Poland by German governmemt. It is importatant to indicate that, because is beeing used lately politicaly against Poland. Thanks

[@hamie7624]

I'm going to say polish concentration camps even harder now

[@dignusferox2570]

Everyone just needs to watch The Scarlet and the Black

[@crevecouer6772]

A great movie, one many Catholics should view but so few know about it.

[@HowieHoward-ti3dx]

all Hollywood garbage.

[@batmaninc2793]

Hey, Brian. If you're interested, Razörfist (on his channel The Rageaholic) goes into these topics in multiple videos. Including AntiFa being a modern-day descendant of Mussolini's Black Shirts; like Hitler's Brown Shirts. Viewer discretion advised, though. Just sayin'.

[@sophial9379]

Very educational.

[@gillianc6514]

The complicity if the Catholic Church in the fascist Ustase government in Croatia during WWII is irrefutable.

[@joer9156]

This is true.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Define "the Catholic church"? Waiting.

[@gillianc6514]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 The church behind the Usatse is the church whose human head is the Bishop of Rome.

[@hamie7624]

​@@gillianc6514 in what way was the entire Catholic Church "behind" the Ustache?

[@gillianc6514]

@@hamie7624 In the fact the Church is the Body of Christ, it is a unity made of multiplicity. The Catholic Church did next to nothing to prevent the rounding -up, forced conversion of Serbs, detainment in concentration camps of Serbs, Jews, Communists and Roma, and the sadistic killings that took place therein at the hands of the likes of Franciscan friar Miroslav Filipovic. There was also in Croatia the only Axis concentration camp specially for children and it was run by Catholic religious sisters. The silence over the crimes in Croatia is deafening and the near beatificaton of Archbishop Stepinac is a scandal.

[@jakeTommy2346]

We gotta stop raging on the nazis and Hitler man the Allied forces were just as evil

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Exactly. Besides Stalin, Churchill and FDR were also terrible. In fact, they were worse, they just got to exonerate themselves as they were on the winning side. And the perfect fabrication came along to amplify that decades later.

[@Beluga_groyper]

Great insight!

[@outoforbit-]

Thanks you so much for letting us know. I have been confronted with this accusation, I knew it wasn't true, but I didn't have much of a defence. I will listen to your video a couple of times so that I'm well prepared and can give accurate information. Again thank you Mr Holdsworth.

[@davidpacheco7895]

Catholics helped nazis escape after the war

[@awesomemccoolname7111]

Nazism did not see itself as a return to tradition. They were socialists, its in the name. They viewed tradition as an obstacle to be torn down.

[@juliushavsten]

National socialism and Marxist socialism are two different ideologies, just because they share a word in their titles, doesn't mean they define it in the same way. The German made that clear in his book, his speeches and his actions. So stop spreading misinformation, it's just not historical fact.

[@inedanap6253]

​@@juliushavsten What does that have to do with his critique of Nazis as not traditionalists? They weren't. They were socialists, even if they defined the term differently.

[@juliushavsten]

@@inedanap6253 My comment was to point out a common argument from the lukewarm right, that "the Nazis were actually on the left, they even have socialism in their name". Marxist socialism is indeed a cult of anti tradition. I don't however, fully agree with the statement that the NS were anti tradition. They were for traditional families and gender roles, against atheism, they were against modernist movements in arts and literature. They also had flawed members who were into paganism and that crap, but the NSDAP was not defined by those individuals, just as the Catholic church is not defined by its rotten apples.

[@inedanap6253]

@@juliushavsten So wait, the anti-tradition neo-pagans were the "rare bad apples" of the bunch? What a weird take. My husband wrote his dissertation on how eugenicist and later Nazi ideologies shaped the way Scandinavian and German history and mythology were talked about in the academic world and let me tell you- you can't open a book on Norse mythology written between the years 1900-1960 without it being filled with EXTREMELY questionable racial material. Their movement (and the earlier racist movements which inspired them) absolutely wrecked the academic study of accurate medieval Scandinavian history by co-opting it to justify their radicalism. We are still dealing with the fallout in the field, too. Nazis used motifs from Norse mythology ALL the time, it was very very prevalent. Seriously. Go read about 20th century Nazi and Nazi-sympathizing occultism. Shit's bonkers. Nazi ideology was very anti-Christianity in general. They had to pay it begrudging lip service because it was so ubiquitous in Germany, but Nazi officials would routinely dunk on Christianity for being the religion of the weak. A routine sentiment for eugenicist/Nazi types ever since Nietzsche popularized it in the 19th c, and they attempted to slowly replace Christianity in the culture with a neo-pagans-ish worship of the state and the self. They were fundamentally opposed to traditional thought on birth control, charity, the nature of the human soul, humility and human dignity, etc. So you have to understand - to a Catholic Christian, they might have the exterior trappings of "traditionalists", but there's a lot more to traditionalist philosophy than "liking family" and "not liking modern art". They stemmed from anti-tradition philosophical movements in the 19th century which denied church authority, emphasized personal power, scoffed at religion, and sought to replace "weak" Christian thought. It's ridiculous to paint them as traditionalists by comparing them to a slightly more radical anti-traditional sect like the Marxists. That's like saying a scorpion pepper "isn't spicy" just because the ghost pepper is more spicy lol

[@awesomemccoolname7111]

@Julius Havsten you can't just look at their propaganda they were radically anti traditional, hitler hated Christianity he used it but hated it. And no, if you look at the shit they did to have more kids they were not pro traditional family. And the argument that the nazis are on the left is not lukewarm. Name one thing nazis wanted that the right in the US wants. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[@JacksonD0716]

Great video. I especially appreciate your historical defense of Pius XII. I figured that the rhetoric surrounding him about how he was a Nazi sympathizer was not accurate, however I haven’t heard about his heroic behavior in detail until I watched this video. Thank you.

[@DocReasonable]

*Catholicism and the Roots of Nazism: Religious Identity and National Socialism* Examines National Socialism’s early ties with Catholicism, focusing on the Catholic city of Munich. Demonstrates how Catholics played a central role in shaping the Nazi movement before the 1923 Beerhall Putsch. Includes endnotes, a bibliography, and an index.

[@stevecinneide8183]

Even Mark Riebling (2015) admits that Pius XI spoke words in praise of Hitler.

[@aleksanderkochelak3586]

I really respect and appreceate your work, but the correct term isn't polish concentration camps, but german concetration camps or german concetration camps in german occupied Poland. The Poland and polish people wasn't responsible for crimes of nazi germany and soviet union.

[@830toAwesome]

This is something you can't escape Brian. Both Fascist Spain and Fascist Italy (literally the people who came up with the term Fascism) were deeply, and still deeply, Catholic. All you need to do is read David Kertzer and his amazing piece the Pope and Mussolini to see how deeply behind Fascist Italy the Roman Catholic Chruch was. Pius was deeply deeply anti-Communist after witnessing the Communists in Poland so he aligned himself with the Fascists movements that promised to stop the spread of Communism. Mussolini praised the Catholic Church as a foundation of the Italian identity. Pius had backchannel communications with Hitler all during WW2. They let the Nazis round up all the Jews in Rome. They did nothing to protect them, regardless of their personal feelings. Even if the Catholic Church disapproved of Fascism, they cozied up to it because it afforded them political power and security. That's undeniable. That's the unvarnished truth and you need to own that, rather than be so caught up in your biases that you want to defend people who defend Fascism.

[@kimfleury]

That's actually heavily varnished truth. It's tangled webs of misinformation arising from the misinterpretations of generations born after the events, combined with anti-Catholic prejudicial bias. First of all, fascism is a branch of communism. It originated from the factions that remained following the failure of the Paris Commune. One wing were the Bolsheviks, the other were the fascists. They despised one another. The original Antifa was a project of the Bolsheviks in Germany. Fascism was also adopted in Ukraine, btw. While the Pope was negotiating treaties with the N a z i s, he was doing so as the Head of _State_ of Vatican City, which is a small country located inside of Italy, _near_ Rome. While the Pope is the _Bishop_ of Rome, he does not govern Rome or any part of Italy. And while you point out that Mussolini praised the catholicity of Italy (something I hadn't heard, so I don't know the context), one might offer the counterpoint that Mussolini was a politician who had to get his party elected before he could claim total power. As you may know, politicians sweet talk the people they expect to vote for them. Besides, evil doesn't introduce itself as evil. It lures its victims by presenting deceptively attractive goods. I don't remember everything else you threw into your tossed salad, but that's enough to show that you see the varnish on what you want to believe, and fall for it.

[@cristinamz2137]

It sounds like you are caught up in biases---- its people like you whom we are referring to here in this video, always so eager to tarnish and denigrate the Church.

[@newglof9558]

Please don't lie about Popes, Pius XI nor Pius XII did nothing of the sort

[@jordanbeachnau1224]

The head rabbi of Rome from 1940-1945 also took on Pope Pius’s name in 1945 after his conversion to Catholicism - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Zolli#Conversion_to_Christianity - strange thing to do if that was the same pope who worked with the nazis

[@jamessauve2419]

You might recall several years ago British author John Cornwell published a book called Hitler's Pope. The cover of that book included a photo of Pius XII leaving a building in the presence of German soldiers. The impression given was that the pope had just been to a meeting with his boss, Adolph HItler, and was leaving. Well, not quite. Subsequent to the books publication Cornwell came under fire from other historians for his poor scholarship and unwarranted conclusions. One interesting problem was the photo on the cover. Turns out that's not exactly Pope Pius XII. It's Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli when he was papal nuncio to either Bavaria (1917 - 1925) or later, Berlin (1925 - 1929). In either case, it would have been during the period of the Weimar Republic, or even the tail end of WWI. The pope would have been Benedict XV then Pius XI. The giveaway for other historians was the uniforms worn by the German soldiers. They are very similar to the uniforms worn by soldiers during the Third Reich. Someone like me, and apparently Cornwell, wouldn't know the difference. But others do and were able to recognize them as being Weimar soldiers, not Hitler era. Granted that it's only a photograph, I think it's still indicative of the quality of scholarship your getting from an anti-Catholic author with an axe to grind. He didn't even bother to verify the photo's relevance to his case, it just looked too good and juicy for his book cover to pass up.

[@davidpacheco7895]

Have you put this amount of thought into your churches child abuse cover ups

[@igorlopes7589]

Funny how pointing out the book "H*tler's Pope" is full of errors is answered with "have you put this amount of thought into your churches child abuse cover ups". Like, one thing has nothing to do with the other and valid arguments ought not to be dismissed like this

[@JohnSmith-qx8ll]

Nazi’s were neo-pagan. Since Catholicism is universal, and operates without this type of racial consciousness, saying Nazism was a Catholic movement is an absurd oxymoron.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

And even if they were not neo-pagan, their focus on race and on arbitrarily deciding who’s fit to live or die (euthanasia) makes them anathema already.

[@johnpaullaizure7330]

False, Hitler regularly attended church and spoke out against neo paganisim. Youre spreading a jewish lie that was told to non germans so they would save the oldest most racist people on the planet who say everyone outside of their race is a "soulless animal goyim".

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@johnpaullaizure7330 True but in other ways he was a heretic and apostate. The apostate deiciders should by no means be let off the hook, of course. They are still under punishment by God.

[@lordvader5246]

Good thing the good guys won, we are so much better off today, right?... Right?

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Definitely no “good guys” anywhere.

[@lordvader5246]

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 idk maybe the ones burning transgender books were at least better than the ones proliferating them. There are "good guys" because we are all imperfect humans of a sinful nature and we make mistakes but there are absolutely "better" or "worse" guys. Except for the murder of Christ, I literally can't think of any worse evils in the course of humanity than those committed by communists. Fun y enough, the same group of people was involved in both events

[@Andrew-pm5bg]

Wonderful presentation. It's amazing that Pope Pius XII's documents have been released some time ago. I have heard no word of a smoking gun.

[@hglundahl]

15:38 I have somewhat of a devotion to Father Kolbe. No, he did not publically denounce Nazism. At least this was not a major issue. He was put in a camp because he identified as a Pole. In Nazi Racism, Poles were supposed to be inferior, not to be worthy of having clergy of their own, and so, a German clergyman could have been fine (the surname was a German word, and his looks were more German and French than immediately identifiable as Slav), but he insisted he was a Pole. That wouldn't do. By contrast, a nun in Vienna was arrested exactly one year before the execution of the White Rose. Her arrest was before they started. She had written a poem lampooning Hitler, and if she had agreed to become a normal laywoman, she'd have been fine. Maria Restituta insisted she was a nun. She also did not publically retract the poem. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIDSc3qMbMtkoc0