Could Dyson spheres exist in our galaxy?

A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical giant structure that surrounds a star and can capture its solar output. Two separate groups of astronomers have claimed that they have detected dozens of possible Dyson spheres within the Milky Way galaxy. NBC’s Gadi Schwartz speaks with Dr. Michio Kaku about what it would take to create a Dyson sphere and how advanced a civilization would need to be to make it happen.
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[@Glorymole-pv2gt]

Even if we had this technology, people would complain about job losses in fossil fuel industry.

[@blaqk_soul]

America would sweep in with that sweet, good old fashioned freedom 🦅

[@georgemaximus694]

We can’t have energy for free. The government won’t allow it. There’s always going to be a fee. No incentive to build one.

[@lightyagami3492]

Actually the tech already exists. It's just that the panels have to be extremely large. That is something we can't do yet.

[@computerlearingchannel4257]

​@@lightyagami3492 if humans built a dyson sphere it would give r postion off to other alien races. Which is a no

[@jezkerjamez7110]

If we had this technology scarcity would be solved and money would become pointless.

[@rugby9440]

More like, we will all be type 2 diabetics.

[@EhCloserLook]

😂😂😂

[@55cook]

First thing we need to do is figure out how to get ourselves out of our social/political internet silos.

[@adamhuffman3354]

Yea humans are evolving. Into what is the question!

[@gilberttorres8]

That’s probably impossible, it’s in our human nature to have conflict with each other. My best guess is each race having a planet each in the future however even then humans will always find ways to fight each other. The only way I see all humans coming together is fighting something stronger than any human.

[@Factsoverfeels8]

If we communicate with these beings , it’s going to change man kind forever lol what is you on . Have that type of technology

[@55cook]

@@gilberttorres8 How about a fake AI generated political monster that no one could possibly feel any kinship for. Something like a giant, overweight looking, diaper wearing, orange circus barker?

[@_JackNapier]

Thus Spoke Zarathustra Friedrich Niche Man vs. Overman 🃏

[@mikegordon8178]

Even if technolgically possible, human greed would not let it happen.

[@gary4books]

Not even "the invisible hand."

[@gamers-xh3uc]

It would inevitably happen, atleast not now doing a dyson sphere is as greedy as it gets actually

[@KanoLAD]

Good job that the ones who’ve already built it aren’t human.

[@jamescarter8311]

I wonder if other species are as self loathing as we are. If an alien species is building Dyson spheres, it’s a safe bet they don’t care about other life in that solar system.

[@a.baciste1733]

Pretty sure collect and control energy provided to the whole planet and more would be most mega corporation dream though

[@Sloimer]

How are we Type 0 yet we’ve invented The Rotato electric potato peeler

[@SpicyMang0s]

We’re at least a type 0.000058524 civilization

[@BTMMHACK]

Great, now create a way to for us all to eat and live free.

[@DG-hw8it]

It's called being a farmer. 😁🍀

[@_JackNapier]

I'll pass the Ketchup if you light a fire with your back turned🃏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🥩🍖🍗💀

[@AbortYurfetuses]

A60rt!●n express lanes and child number limits.

[@aaronschmidt9753]

Lift a finger

[@AbortYurfetuses]

@@aaronschmidt9753 Abortions

[@Uouttooo]

The Prime Directive forbids any Star Trek civilizations from making themselves known to us.

[@ninnymonger]

The Prime Directive was Federation orthodoxy. What compelled the Romulans or the Klingons or the Borg to abide by it?

[@Ron-ni8uu]

Yes very true

[@Buzz_Kill71]

The federation is a human initiated organization.

[@phlezktravels]

​@@Buzz_Kill71lol your username checks out

[@johnfitzgerald8879]

The Prime Directive only applies to Star Fleet, not to private individuals or businesses.

[@user-wv9pw9tq1g]

Everyone: read between the lines. This is what disclosure looks like - slow drip of normalizing the fact we are not alone.

[@aktchungrabanio6467]

Yeah yeah yeah, we heard you. Are you happy? Go back to your basement.

[@mikeoxsbigg1]

Slower than really needed.

[@BarryHeaven]

Sure. It’s a conspiracy just like everything else you see.

[@AmericanVice]

Even if we’re not alone in the universe, don’t waste your time worrying about it cause we’ll never make contact with em.

[@mikeoxsbigg1]

@AmericanVice exactly like back when people were certain the milky way galaxy was the only one and all others were simply nebulas inside the milky way. Certainly is relative.

[@AndrewTran-bleh]

Thought that's a new line of vacuum cleaner for a sec 😅

[@GraniteInTheFace]

Possibly but it's probably redundant. If a civilization can create a Dyson sphere they can probably create a way to harness energy without that much resources

[@fearmetoo-le8dw]

A dyson sphere is basically a bunch of solar panels orbiting a star. We already have the technology to build a dyson sphere, just not enough resource to complete it, and our rockets are still very inefficient, making it uneconomical. To a Type II civilization, such technology would be considered primitive and there would probably be a better way of directly accessing the energy of a star.

[@lazerdoor6880]

As a civilization advances their energy needs increase. Humans didn’t need as much energy in the 18th century as we do now. A civilization that can create something like a Dyson sphere probably has energy needs we can’t imagine, like our distant ancestors couldn’t imagine what we need today.

[@honeybadger9425]

They should say Dyson Swarm really lots of little satellites 🛰️ around a star, that’s what we might find. I can’t see anyone building a huge sphere unless it’s a religious Pyramid status like thing.

[@rowshambow]

You would think that a super advanced civilization that could make a dyson swarm would also have the ability to have a light source on the back of each segment to mimic the stars light. So they are essentially in stealth mode and we wouldn't be able to detect them

[@peradolia]

Michio i hope you live long enough to see the results of your research this will be a crazy age for science

[@Itsme-ik1fs]

Too often major discoveries scientists make are ahead of their time and they don't get the recognition they deserve.

[@greedowins2917]

He just moves on to new subjects when he is wrong. Guy was basically the spokesperson for string theory, and now it's quantum computing (not related fields), and has been exaggerating the impacts of theoretical sciences for 25 years now. How any reputable institution associates with him after so many years getting it wrong is beyond me.

[@adub103]

This isn’t his research and it’s nothing new

[@hansweichselbaum2534]

Couldn't you find anybody else presenting these news. Feels like he's talking to kindergarten kids.

[@hippyhay1659]

My thought exactly.

[@jonnie2bad]

thats basically the intellectual level of people that actually watch network broadcasting

[@aaronschmidt9753]

They have to because attention spans are a lot shorter today.

[@daveydudely9954]

you just type DYSON SPHERE into Google news, kindergarten kids would know that

[@swordsbros]

Idk, kinda a refreshing change haha

[@danielw5204]

Please note that Arxiv is an open-sourced preprint platform, which means the paper is not peer-reviewed by other scientists of the respective field yet. As exciting the finding might sound, I would take this with a grain of salt.

[@whatifvoyager]

What If Asteroids Hold the Key to Human Future Endeavors? 👉🏻 kzbin.infoEDkQPYSR7JM?si=zPCJVgAFadrBgVWF

[@oskarngo9138]

So where would you get all that material to enclose the sun? and how are you going to maintain repairs for such a large object?

[@Factsoverfeels8]

Them talking about thinking theirs advanced alien civilizations is wild. We almost close to the truth

[@_JackNapier]

We been eating Alien babies for Millennia 🐙🦑🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🃏

[@AbortYurfetuses]

Trying to read your comment gave me close to a stroke.

[@xaviperez26]

Which truth?

[@Tyrian_]

Very close to the truth. I truly believe there is real aliens:extraterrestrials whatever you want to call them. It makes no sense for them to not exist in our so called galaxy the Milky Way or a neighboring galaxy like the Andromeda. In our solar system Saturn’s moon Titan will soon be explored by “DRAGONFLY” in the 2030s and I find that will be more interesting than Jupiter’s moon Europa. There’s also Saturn’s moon Enceladus but we probably won’t hear news about that mission till like the 2040s+…🤷🏽. The 2030s will definitely be new news with space exploration.

[@jefferee2002]

Always a pleasure to be talked to like we're three.

[@Here4theComments9]

Right!? That guy is a tool.

[@johnsegura2139]

Our divisiveness is what's slowing down our technological advancements.

[@jonjon7147]

Where would we get all that material from? It would take multiple planets to build around the sun.

[@honeybadger9425]

It would likely be lots of little satellites 🛰️ or small structures wouldn’t it

[@GregorBarclay]

Yup. Even a Dyson swarm would require us demolishing at least a few substantial moons if not one of the rocky planets.

[@Shadowx011]

These channels bring me back to those days when I was in Kindergarten discussing space fabric and quantum physics. 🙂

[@Stefon304]

This is really exciting news!

[@xaviperez26]

Based on nothing.

[@GregorBarclay]

It’s not that exciting. It’s 60 candidate stars that could potentially have a Dyson swarm around them but are probably emitting unusual light signatures for much more boring, natural reasons. You have to eliminate every other possibility before assuming it’s aliens.

[@xaviperez26]

@@GregorBarclay Gold.

[@HonyMan-bs1vv]

Blind, blushing, and compassionate.. the presenter of the program, Azza.. is trying to show the crazy genius of Micho Czco

[@racookster]

Even in Star Trek (since Michio invoked it), the Vulcans were aware of our existence but didn't consider us worth contacting until we broke the speed-of-light barrier. In that fictional universe, we did it by developing warp drive, but if it really is possible, we'll probably do it with communication signals first and SETI won't hear anything until we do.

[@cyberpunk808]

Dyson was actually embarrassed when people found out about his idea!

[@danielweston9188]

A dyson spear with a thickness of only 100cm at the distance of Neptune (at it farest point in the orbit) would require 18.7 times the matter contained in the solar system.

[@gary4books]

"Ring World" Niven

[@Ludba-ex9pi]

Well why on earth would it be all the way out to a distance of Neptune. Could be way closer without being destroyed by the sun

[@prophetofthesingularity]

Yes we do not have the material to do that and most likely there are not a lot of solar systems that would. What is a lot more possible though and something we should have the ball rolling already is to put lots of solar collectors in space. Right now we could not get the energy back to earth efficiently enough but we could start setting up energy stations in space for drones,probes,etc. to refuel. The way that autonomous vehicles have progressed along with AI means that in the very near future we could make some machines that could by themselves go to places in the solar system and set up networks of energy. In space you get solar energy 24/7 and it is also unfiltered from Earths atmosphere.

[@gary4books]

@@Ludba-ex9pi I expect the point I would want is where the gravity of the sun is close to 1G and that (if my memory is correct) is inside Earth's orbit. And even a full sphere is not required. A mesh surface might also work, given the right technology.

[@gamers-xh3uc]

Why at that distance why not at the distance of halfway from mercury to the sun

[@lordreginaldfilibuster]

the amout of any specific material that totals millions of planets and being able to process it on such a scale that you can collect plannets and smelt them down makes me think that size being probably wouldn't need to do that. where would they store the energy, maybe it's already stored and contained in it's space.

[@malavoy1]

Actually, he just developed an idea that appeared in a science fiction novel called 'Star Maker' in 1937 by author Olaf Stapledon.

[@rmpiranah9739]

imagine enclose sun.. feels like we are in the inside of a microwave 24/7

[@trumanshow162]

Agriculture (with external matter) enabled civilization. Industrialization (with external energy) expanded it worldwide. Computerization (with external information devices) buffered the shock of crashing the planetary limits. AI-nization (with the software to find & utilize causality) will promise sustainable development. However, energy consumption will be the most detectable indicator from a vast distance.

[@gary4books]

We need a bunch of computer models to show what sorts of items around a star can alter the light leaving it. Dyson spheres may be one possibility, but not so likely. How about a gazillion satellites? Or a web of orbiting planetoids. What ever we can imagine in orbit and see if it will leaive a "signature" in the light from that star. Then round up the usual suspects.

[@psychicpajamas]

I bet they don't treat each other as we do.

[@springbloom5940]

Nope. Theyve hammered down all the tall nails long ago.

[@Robweisenhowser]

They probably say the same thing about us.

[@AdorianDelmore]

the fermi paradox say that any spices can have the ability to destroy themselves.

[@GregorBarclay]

@@AdorianDelmoreis that a Dune thing?

[@GregorBarclay]

I’m sure the Dyson spheres are very pleasant.

[@stevenboddy4232]

I have one in my backyard. Its a dyson sucker sphere. Sucks everything up around

[@dannyng370]

I thought Dyson released new product?

[@best-iq-test]

This star has people mold on it

[@homoblogicus7899]

We aren't warp capable so the Prime Directive would apply.

[@Ron-ni8uu]

Trust me we are now

[@APAstronaut333]

What if the civilization made the Dyson sphere not heat up

[@sedawk]

What ever happened to Journalism? Dyson got the idea from a science fiction story called Star Maker written in 1937. The writer of this story couldn’t spend 30 seconds reading Wikipedia? Sheesh.

[@lucidu4euh]

yes, by Olaf Stapledon. Freeman Dyson would sometimes try to correct this in interviews, but the name just kinda stuck. It's also worth noting that both Stapledon and Dyson envisioned what is now commonly referred to as a dyson swarm when describing the sphere, rather than the solid shell model that we sometimes see today.

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

Hahahaha, you think Wikipedia is an accurate source of information? Sheeesh

[@sedawk]

​@@enadegheeghaghe6369 Probably the most accurate place for information on the internet. It's been tested again and again against major encyclopedias and Wikipedia has always been judged the most accurate. If you want you can check all the references for every article where facts are referenced. Do you believe that Dyson created the concept of Dyson Spheres as told by this NBC dribble? He got the idea from the novel "Star Maker" and decided to think about it more scientifically. If you are getting your facts from "NBC News" then I feel sorry for you.

[@sedawk]

@@enadegheeghaghe6369 Some important reading for you: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/EPIC_Oxford_report.pdf

[@iiskyvlogs]

Profit driven. Sad

[@royrice8021]

There are Rubik’s Cube universes out there now, all unsolved! 👍

[@lilarrin1220]

a dyson swarm is more practical and realistic since it requires far less resources than a sphere and can be completed a little bit at a time

[@SubtleHawk]

These are the same thing. If you read the original 1960 paper, Dyson described the concept as a swarm of orbiting structures around the star. Dyson himself later noted that a hard shell concept was a misrepresentation of his idea.

[@remartembile]

If we can harvest metal in other planets or in meteorites then I think we can build that Dyson

[@joeypower653]

The amount of resources you would need to create such a device is insane There isn’t enough material on this planet let only our solar system But that’s what people do best strip everything they can out of something

[@isheanesumanonge8893]

Artificial intelligence will be key in getting to the type 1 and subsequently 2 . We are starting to scratch the surface.

[@user-kl2dp6gr6k]

That is scary....

[@ep5952]

Why is there Dyson sphere videos everywhere

[@user-ne7be4dr7n]

But what type of star??????

[@thesoundsmith]

Dyson Spheres? not likely. Dyson Mesh? Quite possible. The lead picture shows a mesh.

[@Dave-kr9lk]

A Dyson Sphere emitting any heat I would think is a broken Dyson Sphere. Would be a waste of heat energy.

[@cheryldebejare3570]

We are pretty much in the last extinction due to trashing our planet.

[@_JackNapier]

Ney Skillet. . .not the last but perhaps the latest first of the last🃏🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@justinh2832]

This planet is healthy and fine and will be for a very very very long time this planets flourishing with life although they say we are in the 6th mass extinction it's really just the natural process of the planet have we helped speed up that process sure but we aren't killing this planet it's fine

[@amelliamendel2227]

Nah, stable suns are too difficult to come by humans are the first, at least in our galaxy, But the unfortunate part is it took around 5 billion years to get us a semi spacefaring species The sun only has 5 billion years left so If humanity fails there simply won't be enough time for Earth to evolve another spacefairing civilization. Humans will never get out of the solar system if they don't engineer themselves to be parthenogenic as long as 50% of the human mind is concerned with mate selection you're not getting off the planet permanently

[@gamers-xh3uc]

No animals are getting extinct humans are doing just fine a mass extinction is when 70% of all species die that doesnt mean it will affect us at all tho

[@Rovsau]

That's a nice middle ground. Not nothing, and not everywhere. Seeing Dyson Spheres everywhere would be creepy.

[@GregorBarclay]

60 civilisations kicking about the galaxy that are each light years more advanced than we are, that might not be great for us.

[@Rovsau]

​@@GregorBarclay If one or more civilizations has multiple Dyson Spheres, then I would assume they don't need our resources. I think we would have to develop a technology which could rival their supremacy, for them to start worrying about what we might do. As to whether they are benevolent or malevolent, I tend to look at the potential for either inclination to cooperate successfully or not. Last time I looked into it, the most recent studies at least suggested that "Survival of the Fittest" is no longer the strongest factor in natural selection among humans; it leans more towards people who are agreeable enough to cooperate with others.

[@BlackyBrownDestruction9337]

They can just make a portable sun, they don't need a Dyson Sphere

[@Robweisenhowser]

Exactly, the Dyson sphere is just a primitive human concept that not many people realize is not feasible and makes no sense.

[@joeystellmacher8041]

Where is the woman that was interviewed on nbc that said we were not likely to beable to get this far because we are having problems with nuke power??? I didnt think I would find that clip...

[@straighttoyou]

Some say Dyson rings, but it would be plates. I would take longer than the stars life to cover it like that unless you could inject particles into it and keep fusion going. In that case the star would be covered and you wouldn't see it, not even the heat of said star. Because that would be energy that would be used as well. 2+2=4

[@caseymoore4759]

It would most likely be a Dyson swarm which doesn’t require injecting the sun with anything 😂 we are creating swarms around our planet now…….. starlink for example

[@FoOtFoOt542]

Where would the tremendous amount of mass needed come from?

[@ghislainpitre6597]

asreroids?

[@gamers-xh3uc]

Mercury

[@xaviperez26]

​@@ghislainpitre6597 Yes, you can easly go to a belt of asteroids, pick some of them, go back to your planet and start to build a giant Lego Dyson Sphere, send 100,000,000 spacecrafts driven by robots shaped as a vacuum cleaner (that's why the Sphere is called Dyson), wait a couple of years to be finished and the mankind could yell all togeher... "The power of the Sun in the palm of my hands!!!"

[@Easyfilm84]

How could you possibly harness that power though? My brain fails to understand how you go from capturing that energy, then using it on the home planet.

[@pegatrisedmice]

yeah, I can see how we could launch solar panels to orbit the sun but I'm not sure how we would do cable management

[@matthewfreeman33]

What would this be made of that when that close to the sun wouldn't melt or be destroyed?

[@GregorBarclay]

Doesn’t have to be that close.

[@Reallyidktbh]

By the time when the AGI gonna be real very soon, we will be able to become Type 1 in just 50 years.

[@AlbertMark-nb9zo]

basically on the Kardashev scale, it would be a class 2 civilization.

[@andyonions7864]

Going from L1 to L2 may only take a millennium or less. Not millions of years. I'm on record as predicting we become L1 in the next 50 years.

[@bloodlust9984]

What if the earth itself is a Dyson sphere

[@GregorBarclay]

How did this get even a solitary like?

[@DoctorFixMaster]

Only if he stops making vacuum cleaners.

[@EstradaRamon]

Wouldnt it melt the sphere over time

[@benb3316]

What tripe. We could start building one today. Could vs the will/economy/cooperation of course. And the illustrations are crud. Could have done them on a 90s PC with TrueSpace. A real "Stapledon Swarm" vs a fictional Dyson Sphere is merely many thousands of solar collectors, power plants and even mirrors that orbit around their star, collecting light for power or beaming it elswhere for heat, illumination or to other power generators. They'd start up with a few small projects, such as to beam power to probes and far stations or power solar sails - then they'd do things like add light to their equivalent of Mars or block light from their equivalent of Venus. Eventually the star would dim a bit vs real mass and brightness to an outside observer. The term is from Olaf Stapledon - "Star Maker" among many other epic sci-fi works and Dyson himself was inspired and wanted to use that term. The 70s era megastructure scifi fantasies had things like Niven's Ringworld or other huge full shell Dyson Spheres. Those did require ultratech and if a high tech civilization wanted it they had tech that meant they didn't need it. For example a full ring or full shell especially would have net Zero gravitic attraction to their star and need antigravity (level 3 or level 4) tech to avoid either drifting away or a catastrophic collision. What likely happened is over time plenty of advanced (our level or a little above) civs had attractive worlds but too cold, too hot, too dark and so setup mirrors and stations to use their star's wasted power. Over thousands of years they indeed red shifted the star. BTW - if a civilization that builds one lives a long time when their star expands then contracts they could adjust the Stapledon shell to expand/contract with it since its not one piece but many thousands of networked islands.

[@dredrotten]

Where would they get enough Iron and other metals plus the knowledge to create a Dyson Sphere?

[@atakanmuzaffer3975]

KARDASHEV SCALE: [The measure was proposed by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev (1932-2019) in 1964 and was named after him.] Type I Civilization (Planetary Civilization): This type of civilization can use and store all of the energy available on its home planet. This includes harnessing energy from the planet’s natural resources, such as solar, wind, geothermal, and other forms of renewable energy. Type II Civilization (Stellar Civilization): A Type II civilization can harness the total energy output of its star. This could be achieved through structures like a Dyson Sphere, a hypothetical megastructure that would encompass a star and capture a large percentage of its power output. Type III Civilization (Galactic Civilization): This type of civilization can control energy on the scale of its entire galaxy. It would have access to the energy produced by billions of stars across the galaxy, implying an advanced level of technological and possibly social development. Type IV Civilization: This civilization would be able to harness the energy of an entire universe. Type V Civilization: This civilization could harness the energy of multiple universes and multi-dimensions.

[@questof1able]

The mass of the sphere would have to be larger than the mass of the star... which would never exist

[@GregorBarclay]

That’s not how sums work.

[@TooCloseSeries]

This is the slow disclosure.... 😏🙄

[@Kmar701]

We’re type zero where we play with ourselves

[@dagosegovia843]

Could they? Sure, do they? We probably wouldnt even know it.

[@PABYT506]

They make an awesome Vacuum, why not

[@ThexBorg]

The amount of physical matter to construct even a Dyson cloud is enormous. All the planets in our solar system would not be enough physical matter to construct it. It would take all the asteroids to be collected, processed and fabricated into useable matter and form.

[@donaldmeyers1093]

I think this stuff is great. By exploring space 1 day, we might have the means to save this planet. And expand life to other solar systems.🤯

[@kingofIsraelMoshiachBenJoshep]

If the aliens had advanced tech they could create all the power they need from a single one inch chip .

[@andrewli1519]

Energy can neither be created or destroyed, so all that energy has to come from somewhere...

[@capybaraponque611]

how stupid are you?

[@APAstronaut333]

I got your one inch chip right here

[@PlanetJimmer]

@@andrewli1519but there is something known as Dark Matter, whatever that is. An advanced civilization that knows what that is could very well use it to generate all the energy they need. This Dyson Sphere is nothing more than a twentieth century human guess - there is probably a better source for energy once we understand more about physics.

[@computerlearingchannel4257]

​@@PlanetJimmer after listening on the dark forest theory. A dyson sphere would be foolish for us to do

[@TheRhuen]

To gather the materials, the energy efficiency, construction requirements, gravity control for movement and structure stability. We are looking at civilizations that would have to develop a plethora of incredible technology long before even conceiving of building such a thing. A world ship in a stable orbit housing trillions could be hard for our satellites to detect yet alone would be hundreds of thousands if not more so years more advanced than Earth is. Honestly I feel we keep looking for these things because such massive things are all we'd be able to see. Like shining a flash light into a dark ware house, we can see the chairs just fine but a bug crawling on a far wall we can't make out. There could be trillions of system wide civilizations, continent sized colony ships, and more out there and we simply can't see them because they are too small to make out from so far away. That said I want to hear how far away these are because if a Dyson sphere is found and it's 10000 light years away that would mean something out there built something that insane when humans were just figuring out grain and domesticated goats. If they are still out there they are ten thousand years past when they built it now.

[@user-jt4xx3df3l]

I think we in order for us to reach type 1 civilization we need a genius scientist as a president

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

That person would probably crash everything else in society.

[@gary4books]

How about a nuclear engineer that only had one term?

[@computerlearingchannel4257]

We had one but you guys screamed racism zenophobia

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

@@computerlearingchannel4257: Oh, you mean Trump and his MAGA-hatters. He’s no genius, let alone a scientist.

[@computerlearingchannel4257]

@@TheTrueOnyxRose lower taxes. Increased the economy, bring manufacturing back to america, lowering price of good and service that the government produce and ending senseless wars. Not a good one huh. You must had ur head up ur crack for 2016 -2019

[@kempokiin6280]

We, on Earth, are like a ship in the night. A Dyson Sphere/Swarm would be akin to a lighthouse, no? (lose, methaphorical symbolism y'all)

[@shibbymiyah6614]

Sounds a bit far fetched to me..I doubt there are any of these structures out there

[@robwealer5416]

It's self contradictory..if you can build a structure this big, you have likely already solved energy issues and have secured a basically unlimited power supply which would make this structure unnecessary.

[@nex-ex5100]

He got his Star Treks messed up. They were a type 3 civilization.

[@dickhardpicard]

In Star trek the federation didn't have a Dyson spheres 🙄

[@blindyogi4997]

Dyson sphere is an idea of a genius that absolutely makes no sense, imagine the amount of resource required ( almost a size of a new planet ), a nightmare maintenance, posses threat to existing planet, no advanced civilization would that .. there could be a possible much small scaled solar harnessing system but imagining at this scale naahhh

[@dom85esc1]

If we even had the technology to pull this off, wouldn't it take several thousand years to build? Would we even have enough resources on just the planet earth or would we have to harvest other planets for the resources? Let alone where the heck would you find all the manpower for such an inconceivably large and complex project? Millions of years more advanced, yeah I'd agree with that sentiment.

[@ronaldpickett5133]

When a civilization has advanced enough to produce technology to enable the ability to encapsulate a star they by that time would surely have aquired the knowledge to produce simpler and more cost effective forms of energy production. This makes Dyson spheres a moot thought.

[@djrmarketing598]

Dyson's sci fi idea from the 1960's seems far fetched to me. I think the idea of passively collecting heat & solar radiation from a star from an efficiency standpoint in an advanced civilization, considering the amount of raw materials needed to build said sphere is far less efficient than actually creating our own "star reactors" using nuclear fusion and a minimal of materials to encase that reactor. In theory, if you were to take the amount of material (say a planet the size of Jupiter it's been estimated) to mine all that resources, build the sphere - would you actually have more or less energy than dedicated fusion reactors? Imagine how many fleets of THOUSANDS of starships you could build, each with their own fusion reactor, vs a single Dyson sphere or even more ridiculous - one that encases an entire Galaxy. I think a Dyson sphere might only be likely if a civilization lost it's home planet due to a catastrophic circumstance and the entire civilization lives on Space ships orbiting their sun, because realistically, without warp drive, the civilization would long be dead before reaching another habitable planet. And thus, a civilization that has a Dyson sphere/Dyson Swarm is more likely to not have a faster than light drive technology. Otherwise, it would be far more efficient to explore other star systems and find habitable planets to send a colony fleet to colonize.

[@nealdaniel8800]

I never understood why a Dyson sphere would be necessary when panels in space can collect more than enough energy for our needs (think ISS). Shouldn't we be looking for unusually dim planets instead?

[@luckymapache]

When humankind has the technology to build a Dyson Sphere, it would already be obsolete for generating energy.

[@TruthSpeaks270]

Terrence Howard will set us all free 🙌

[@Jasonronsteinberger]

i built one but nobody cared, now i can't remember where I left it.

[@chandurajan6864]

For all things not proven their is michio kaku associated

[@michaelanderson3096]

One second of Earth's star electromagnetic radiation is the same amount of electromagnetic radiation humans have used since the beginning of time.

[@ddlang2514]

“We’re type 0” . That’s obvious!

[@TheManbeastmike]

Its funny to think they are probably aware of us they just sknt care enough to come check😊

[@djdedan]

There are some of us who want to progress and there are some who want to stagnate, conserve the past... when has stagnation ever worked for a person? a business? a country? a civilization? Forward or backward, the choice our species faces.

[@user-px4td5qe7j]

ya right

[@sonpacho]

It's not in real time, right? Even if they actually detected a real Dyson Sphere wouldn't they be seeing/detecting it as it was in the past? Would it even be possible to communicate with civilizations 100+ light years away?

[@mtabedardc]

Interesting

[@dmo848]

Didnt we just find a planet with 1

[@metoo6599]

I like science fiction too

[@storm14k]

Cool story bro.

[@H.F.Prince]

Imagine the looks of alien face when we become interstellar,,, lol it’s a party now

[@timothylopez8572]

"Star Killer Base" seems like such a waste of resources. Why harvest the star, then fire the energy at the planets surrounding it? The planets would spin off or whatever. Still destroying the solar system.

[@ratking1330]

Hes using the strictess definition for civilization type. Many others include . Values to show the individual steps between type 0-1-2-3. By this scale, we are about a type .7-.8 civilization, and can possibly reach type 1 by the end of the century.

[@user-ft1uc7rc3k]

When a creature has been granted "to live forever" and after reading the inevitable common knowledge books in heaven I would say yes.