The Aftermath: More good than bad from Pats in frustratingly close loss to Bills? | Patriots Talk

[@sportsfan_91]

AVP had a strong 1st half. His 2nd half though? Absolutely abysmal. Hes still somehow our best coach on the staff.

[@heathhersom6579]

Wait.. AVP's offense scored 21, was 7/12 on 3rd down, 2/2 on 4th down, and other than Rhamondre fumbling (not AVPs fault) and Drake throwing a INT (not AVP's fault) the passing and running game was pretty efficient. That's with the 31st and 32nd rank WRs/OL and a rookie QB. How can you say AVP's on the hot seat but DeMarcus Covington isn't after this performance? The Bills were running and throwing the ball at will. The only reason they didn't put up bigger numbers is because the Bills lost the time of possession, Josh threw a bad INT, and the they had a dozen penalties. The Bills looked like they rolled out of bed to play a 3-11 football team in the cold. They didn't take the Patriots seriously.

[@LAKEVILLEMA]

Covington was a DEI hire so he's untouchable. Same with Jerrod.

[@dodecahedroncollider]

Bills offense had one long run and one long drive to start the second half, and that is the extent of what they did all day. Next longest drive was 40 yards and ended with a punt. They were in the red zone once. The only reason they even got to 24 points was because they were gifted 10 off of turnovers. The difference in TOP was less than 2 minutes.

[@redvany]

@heathhersom6579 the Patriots defense are 29th in DVOA. The last time had that ranking back in the 90s. I am someone who enjoys watching the defense. The Patriots defense this year is absolutely painful to watch. I would lose my mind if Covington is back.

[@LAKEVILLEMA]

@ check yourself in now because they’re all coming back. And F the krafts for subjecting us loyal fans to this dumpster fire.

[@semicharmedlife311]

Merry Christmas to Tom E and The Senator and to all Patriots fans across the globe.

[@unrulybill]

Drake Maye is a better QB already than Hoyer ever was 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ironPatriots48]

Lol, what does that have to do with anything 😂😂😂😂

[@IEdjumacate]

There cannot be a critical discussion of AVP without a critical discussion of Covington. How about covingtons defense getting gashed for a 50 yard TD run? If we’re gonna put player mistakes on AVP, keep the same energy with Covington. AVPs offense put up 21 points despite 3 different atrocious mistakes by players. He’s not a top level OC but he’s been the best coach on the team. Look at Mayes development.

[@Mptappin12]

Fax Which is sad to say, but we definitely cannot fire Alex at least it seem like he had some sort of plan today

[@BaronVonMunch]

Covington is 100% completely worthless. AVP is probably a good qb coach, but knows nothing about designing and calling an offense.

[@obarbeito]

The team had a half of a competent game. Then the team went back to their Mayo ways. Bad play calling, bad clock management, ultra conservative play when u need to be aggresive, another explosive run allowed by the defense. Is this what you are clapping at? It's a joke the lenght at which you guys go to defend a mediocre head coach because he's your friend. It's a disservice to the fans. I heard what Drake said about the coaching staff, but what is he supposed to say? They may be friends to their players, but that doesn't qualify them as a good coaching staff. This is not what the Patriots are supposed to be, end of discussion.

[@trentonpearsall2598]

Mayo's buddies doing some heavy lifting here. Stupid plays, penalties, excuses. Mayo isn't it and he's so bad that anything that's not a 60 minute faceplant is praised. Ridiculous

[@BaronVonMunch]

Definitely shilling here. The Pats actually showed up and played hard and we're supposed to celebrate? I expect that every week. If they played hard every week they would have more than 3 wins. Mayo cannot motivate these guys most of the time and that has been clear all year. They also played a great 1st quarter and then did nothing. Many conservative play calls designed to not lose badly, keep it close so shills can do their magic. Not falling for this crap. And the same stupid mistakes gave this away, a game they could have won. Nothing learned there. Stephenson continues to put the ball on the ground. A player that was once very good keeps hurting them under Mayo. This team reflects its coach, mistake-prone and undisciplined.

[@YoureNotReet]

Right? its so pathetic

[@paulaiello2071]

I almost threw my remote control right through my brand new Sony Bravia TV on that backwards pass play that resulted in a touchdown. They couldn’t have dreamed a more dumbass play to call. Of course, Stevenson fucks it up. What else?

[@Yewtewbturd]

Tom Curran and Phil Perry giving Mayo his weekly massage. It’s so funny to me these guys consider themselves journalists - JOURNALISM IS IMPARTIAL. This isn’t journalism, this is damage control for Jerod and Robert.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Does Curran give Mayo happy endings like he has to do for the Krafts?

[@patricktotten9712]

Tom’s trying to get Vanpelt fired. It’s sad. He’s carrying mayos water. Can’t believe he’d be so blatant about it. Highlighting that screen pass call. Good God. Watching someone create a narrative to save their friend is pathetic.

[@polandfresh101]

I didn’t like that playcall, but what’s more concerning is rhamondre’s continued inability to hold on to the damn ball.

[@googlechicken]

Ya and arguing with the guy that literally played 20 years as a QB in the NFL. Curran is a douche

[@davidsegura1398]

A team with zero x weapons they expect van pelt to work magic… I think he does amazing and offense will look better with actual threats on the field.

[@redvany]

​@davidsegura1398 exactly. If anyone should be fired is the defensive side.

[@JohnCutajarDynamicBeliefs]

He his just following orders

[@JonStark117]

*We were saved by poor play by the Bills, this team still needs a regime change.*

[@CoryD_85]

Nope

[@YoureNotReet]

@@CoryD_85you got some mayo on your lips

[@nigelcarreiro6630]

Saying the punting decision at the 46 was the right call because it "worked out" is CLASSIC outcome bias. Every single metric said that was the wrong decision. It was one of the worst punt decisions this century. Also, how can you argue it worked out when you LOST THE GAME?!? Isn't the object to win the game? You can't argue a counterfactual by assuming they don't pick it up on 4th down and the bills drive down and seal the game. Just absurd logic and this is the kind of thinking, unfortunately, that Mayo follows and will ultimately be his downfall. I fully believe he thinks that punt was the right play because of what transpired. It simply wasn't.

[@LAKEVILLEMA]

Curren is a shill for the Krafts.

[@BaronVonMunch]

It was pathetically conservative. Typical of these loser coaches that really just want the game to be close so they can claim moral victory to the clueless Kraft boys.

[@YoureNotReet]

The “we didnt get blown out, lets celebrate” attitude is disgustingly pathetic

[@kylerush7948]

Its like watching state run media saying the problem isnt the problem, what isnt the problem is the problem

[@fumanchuinbrackishwater]

Should be titled "Still Bad. Still lose." Let's see how they play against teams that don't underperform like this.

[@peteralcantara5669]

Fire Mayo. Fire Wolf. Fire Curran.

[@RJ-rp5ot]

Occam’s Razor: the simplest explanation for the Patriot chaos is: Mayo is stupid.

[@emmanuelcalderon1982]

Why are we acting like getting close on a divisional game absolves Mayo of an awful year. Bad teams always play hard in division games just look at the raider and the chiefs game. Also there's a clear agenda against AVP to make him the scapegoat for the bad season when hes clearly the most qualified coach on the team.

[@zechtherealtor]

can we all acknowledge that although the play was broken and the ball was thrown backwards, it hit stevenson right in the hands and he dropped it

[@LAKEVILLEMA]

Mondre is a fumble machine. He is a liability and should be cut. He wouldn't have been in this game if Bill was running the team. Hell, he would have been benched after his 2nd fumble not his 7th!

[@BaronVonMunch]

The design is horrible or Stephenson is in the wrong place. Then Stephenson drops it, no excuse. The Stephenson turnovers all year are horrible. The coaches have done nothing to fix it. Belichick wouldn't allow this, but with useless coaches mistakes never get fixed.

[@BaronVonMunch]

@@LAKEVILLEMA Exactly. He has killed the team all year and Mayo has done nothing about it. Belichick addresses problems, Mayo does absolutely nothing and assholes like Felger blame it all on Drake Maye. Does Felger show his face in public? Not sure it would be wise. That loser should stick to his loser home in Wisconsin.

[@zechtherealtor]

@ yeah like as an athlete regardless how bad the play was you def shouldn’t drop it lol. Didn’t need to be a defensive td.

[@DMDvideo10]

The play call near the goal line where the screen pass was tipped and eventually a Bills TD was bad play calling. The ball needs to go forward not backward...

[@DennisPan]

The stupidest screen play on your own end zone I've ever seen. What a brilliant design to throw to Stevenson, who's behind Maye. Instead of an incomplete pass, now a live ball. This play tells me the coaches are clueless and should be fired. They should have won this game if they didn't mess that up.

[@BaronVonMunch]

I have always had a problem with a backwards screen pass for this reason. If it's incomplete it is a fumble and possible disaster. If that was how it was drawn up then another horrible OC design. If not then why was the running back so far backwards? Either way, it is bad coaching. Now you have morons like Felger blaming it on Maye. How I don't know. Is Maye supposed to not throw it because it is backwards? The running back should have caught the ball, no excuse to drop it just because he sees a defender. Maye gets the least blame, but assholes like Felger unfortunately exist.

[@googlechicken]

This constant bashing of Van Pelt is as cowardly as it is stupid He is by far the best coach on this staff. Is it Van Pelts fault that Stevenson can’t hold on to the football ? Is he to blame for the complexly devoid of talent WR room? How was the performance of this defense encouraging? Why isn’t anyone calling out Covington and saying that he has to go? They get spotted a 14 pt lead and then give up a 46yd TD run where the guy you were just praising, Duggar whiffed on yet another tackle. It’s ok to criticize Mayo and Covington. It’s not racist it’s just a fact, they are not good at their jobs period. Van Pelt will be dumped at the end of the year but Covington and Mayo will be given a chance to “ grow ito their roles” what a crock of shit.

[@detodoynada936]

The Pats have the worst passing offense in the NFL and 31st out of 32 teams in scoring. That means our offense is a complete failure. Most OC's get fired for less than that. The stats say AVP needs to go plain and simple.

[@googlechicken]

@@detodoynada936 The defense was supposed to be top 10 according to all the pundits. There are plenty offense improved every week while the defense remains at the bottom of the league so Covington should go as well according to your logic but he won’t be fired. Why do you think that might be?

[@alexrazazi5852]

@@detodoynada936Im pretty sure that’s because of Jacoby.

[@alexrazazi5852]

DEI hires Steve should have been the DC. I hope Kraft if he has any sense left fires Convington and tells him to stick it where the sun don’t shine. We don’t tolerate shit coaching.

[@ChristB-r9g]

Wow this is what it feels like to be a Cleveland Browns fan. I might tap out. We all knew after 14-0 what was coming.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Yeah they played like losers again. This is Kraft's and Mayo's team. Media shills out in full force trying to turn this into a positive.

[@googlechicken]

Just like we all knew AVP would be blamed. These two guys are either clueless or more likely just trying to protect the two most inept coaches on this staff , Mayo and Covington aka dumb and dumber

[@augustmoon0004]

Bye fair weather!

[@donslaine]

Good riddance!

[@ironPatriots48]

Good bye 👋

[@LAKEVILLEMA]

Bad play calling, bad coaching, worst defense in the league, worst roster building. Fire Mayo, Wolf, AVP, Covington, Glaser and Groh. Bring in a new GM/HC and rebuilt it from the ground up.

[@BaronVonMunch]

That's the right thing to do but Kraft is a very, very cheap man. He'll probably bring everyone back.

[@ghostwolf1435]

I like this Kid Maye

[@user-vg2eg7oo5n]

Mayo teaching the Patriots new ways to lose every week. Looks like the Patriots before Bill Parcells.

[@paulaiello2071]

Good point! Whatever happened to the Patriot Way? Is that the street next to the stadium where all the shops are located? 😆

[@augustmoon0004]

Umm, if Maye threw it at his feet it would still be a backwards pass FUMBLE!! Come on, Hoyer!!

[@SkeletorsSon]

Exactly and Maye pointed out they've thrown that backward pass more times this year

[@BaronVonMunch]

Why is Hoyer even around? Boston sports media is cheaper than the Kraft family. That pay was bad design and no excuse for the running back to drop it. I can't believe morons are blaming Maye. He didn't design it, call it or drop the easy pass.

[@Sas6903]

Jerod doesn’t get as much leeway (spelling?) because he was hired as HC of a professional football team. The NFL for HC’s is not a developmental league. When you take over a team as HC you are expected to lead the team not be on-the-job training. The NFL for players is partially a developmental league, it’s a mix of rookies/younger players and veterans and the good teams have a healthy of balance veteran leaders with developing young guys. If there was no salary cap you’d see more teams not play young developmental players and paying top dollar for veterans.

[@akabuki100]

Was more bills being bad than defense being good. 13 bills penalties. Joe Brady got weird and stubborn calling pass plays. If they ran it 75% of the time they’d score 45 on us

[@CoryD_85]

Yea but did the Bills look bad as the Patriots 2nd half bad? lol I say it was Patriots playing good and strong in the first half

[@petercole8798]

Bottom line is they lost I knew they at 14 0. They pay players to lose the game. Stevenson should be benched the last 2 games. He makes millions of dollars for helping the other team win.

[@JModernise]

Thank you guys for making this podcast I watch it all the time and hear it as well in the car. Happy holidays to you guys and your families

[@craig7185]

Coaching, again! How do you take the ball out of the end zone on an interception and get tackled on the 1?

[@craig7185]

And celebrate so much after making a 4th down conversion that you have to take a time out?

[@augustmoon0004]

Taking the ball out of the end zone and getting tackled on the one is not coaching, that's a player's poor decision!

[@Yewtewbturd]

@@augustmoon0004how are bad decisions by players prevented?? ………..(I’ll give you the answer; good coaching)

[@BaronVonMunch]

Mayo will simply say that he can't help the players once they are between the white lines or something like that. The new Patriot Way is finger-pointing.

[@BaronVonMunch]

@@augustmoon0004 You should learn why players make poor decisions. Bad coaching. I'm so sick of moronic Patriot bandwagon fans like you that know nothing about football yet open you big mouths. You are a football idiot. You should shut up and let the adults in the room do the talking. You idiots allow the Krafts to continue the clown show. It's your goddamn fault.

[@jonmichael3280]

Keep Kayshon around, please 🙏

[@googlechicken]

Boutte couldn’t get on the field in a legitimate NFL locker room

[@jonmichael3280]

@googlechicken a year ago, I'd 💯 percent agree with you. I think he's earned it this season though

[@tonystarks7722]

Boutee wouldn't even be starting is he was another team

[@jonasb6440]

@@tonystarks7722that’s cap he’d be a solid 3 on a good team

[@tonystarks7722]

@jonasb6440 i stand correctly a 3 not a number 1 or 2 , so who drafting him to be a number 3 WR

[@mayragarciasanchez9305]

These signs are signs of mediocrity... it is not the patriot way to have moral victories. I dislike the coaching staff... it is messy, it lacks strecture, it lack discipline, complementary football, Mayo hasn't it in him, he might be the player's friend, but that is not his job... he continues to put Maye on the hardest situations... it is a mediocre team, it is just not what we are used to, Mayo isnt the right coach, I am sick and tired of this mediocre team who is never able to finish games.

[@BaronVonMunch]

This was not a good game. They turned an early 14-0 lead into trailing 24-14 after several bad turnovers. In no universe is that good. Media shills just shilling. Nothing else to see here.

[@wifeofsicilian1657]

Sub mediocre, sadly. Draft pick #2?

[@BaronVonMunch]

Being that the Patriot Way was simply Kraft rebranding Belichick's system to something that suits his liking, it is not surprising that they don't have the Patriot Way anymore. Kraft made sure to remove all references of "Do your job". Kraft is a complete idiot.

[@jackbenimble999]

Another good outcome - they played competitive but still lost so preserve the high pick (for now). They came in ready to play and that might indicate Mayo still has the team's ear. But for god's sake, why fire Van Pelt? If you're not going to blow out the whole coaching staff, then at least give Maye continuity in the OC in year 2. Why are they insisting on repeating horribleness that McDaniels leaving Mac out to dry caused.

[@Patsfan38]

We now have the 2nd pick in the draft this should be the reason to replace the coaching staff.

[@joecarile]

Remember when you guys said the Bills reign was over a few years ago. Good times.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Bills, AFC East division champs. The entire region should be proud, if it wasn't so embarrassing. The Bills do have one thing the Pats need. They are a well coached, well run organization. Amazing how many idiot fans, including Bill fans, were calling for the head coaches job saying he was keeping Josh Allen down. That coaching staff has developed and protected Josh from himself. Allen is a living, breathing turnover machine that they have made NFL functional. Without good coaching, Allen would be a massive bust.

[@mikeramos6272]

Or.... the bills had a bad game? These 2 guys are reaching a bit here today. Team still sucks and Mayo still needs to go.

[@johnenterkin1200]

You win games in the trenches and until the offensive line improve immensely and they can control the game then the best you can hope for are moral victories. The defense needs to improve in stopping the run! I hope the plan for next is year is fixing the trenches first and worry about play maker second.

[@mikegrace2819]

How the hell do you fire the coordinators but NOT Mayo???

[@wifeofsicilian1657]

@@mikegrace2819 young Thundercat 😆

[@Zack24XB]

Curran's excuse-making here is just pathetic. It was definitely the wrong call not to go for it with 8 minutes left. Yes, altho they did force the Bills to punt, the Pats only scored with 1:20 left, and had to save all 3 timeouts to get the ball back for a desperation play. Mayo is too conservative and he coaches "not to lose" rather than "to win". Curran is really lame in this segment

[@BaronVonMunch]

When is Curran not lame except for the moments where he plays both sides where one of the sides has to be right. Curran deserves to have his ass kicked out of NE along with Felger.

[@leodrosia4369]

They were competitive which is all we can ask of a crap team

[@BaronVonMunch]

FU loser. You "fans" need to be run out of town.

[@sportsfan_91]

Maye outplayed the probable MVP in his stadium in December. Absolutely ecstatic about that. The rest tho? Oof. Mega oof.

[@scottohara9001]

😂 No he was terrible in the 2nd half

[@wheel_gun]

Buffalo keeping the cold turned on in Phil's box. disrespectful

[@barry7920]

In the first week of September, PFF ranked all team rosters and the Patriots' roster was ranked 30th in the NFL. Now as we come near the end of the season, the Patriots record is about 30th in the NFL. Many fans say - "Must be incompetent coaching!". I say - why do you expect the team to outperform its players?

[@johnhaakenson7234]

Unexpectedly positive overall game. It would be great if they can do similarly in the final two games.

[@paulsandock8789]

Apologies if this has been said - Despite Hoyer's 15 years experience i don't agree with his "just throw it at his feet and move on" analysis. Fundamentally it still wrong because it would have been a backwards pass and still a live ball. He instead had to find a legitimate target and thrown it at their feet or over their head and OB. The issue was how the screen was set up where it was a backwards pass.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Hoyer was a loser and he's a moron. No one with a brain would pay any attention to him. Most of these guys work for this worthless media because they need money badly. Intelligent people have much better opportunities. These guys are bottom of the barrel.

[@jacobhughes9010]

Good job today, still Fire mayo and hire vrabel

[@trentbateman]

Absolutely but kraft is diminishing faster than Biden in a debate. We are the point where it’ll take another 3-14 year to get him out, but not a one a done like it should as Kraft is going off emotions

[@JohnBarron-n]

Vrabel is retired, he's too old and not coming back

[@Chauncey325]

​@@JohnBarron-nToo old ? Ain't that 80 percent of these coaches lol ? Lol

[@frankbennett7620]

Guys this roster is rated 30th out of 32 teams. Please there are a few guys on defense and offense QB, two tightends, and maybe two receivers , two backs, and a horrible offensive line but yet they held their own on the road, against the arguably # 1 rated team. Lots of holes on the 2024 NE Pats. However, looking forward to good decision-making in the off season, draft, free agency and staffing for 2025 season😅

[@BaronVonMunch]

Roster rating? That's only for moronic losers like Frank Bennett. What an idiot you are. Roster ratings, f off a-hole.

[@jaysworld3231]

Bouttie is a good player.. dude comes in clutch in special moments. Keep that dude around

[@paulaiello2071]

Bouttie call! He has his moments

[@4orrcountry]

Tom E. has slipped in the past 12 months. Until then, I regarded him as THE best Pats beat reporter for the previous 20-25 years. I don't know what's happened exactly, but Tom E. is no longer a legitimate Patriots journalist, to these eyes at least. Yes Tom, I see through your 2024 act. And I doubt I'm the only fan who does.

[@WrathMania32]

Hes friends with the HC and probably took the bait from ownership when he (rightfully) lambasted Belichick in his final years. Bad combo.

[@dieselxdan]

He got on tv. So you sell your soul

[@BaronVonMunch]

Some years ago I thought he was pretty good, now I hate everything about him.

[@jaredR207]

Tom is showing the replay of Brain Hoyer trying to explain football to him and now that he's really thought about it he still doesn't get it.

[@unrulybill]

Well for Hoyer to say he isn’t a rookie anymore is kinda crazy lmao most idiotic thing I’ve heard come out of his mouth.

[@SkeletorsSon]

Tom is right, stop thinking after what you've seen this year out of the O line that you can rely on them in that kind of situation. They are the reason we can't get 1 yard on the goal line or punch it in from 1 yard out.

[@jaredR207]

@@unrulybill I get what he was saying, he's technically a rookie but only for 2 more games, I like Maye but I don't feel the rookie excuse covers him for throwing a backwards pass for a turnover at his own end zone.

[@jaredR207]

@@SkeletorsSonIt was a screen pass, if it's not there just throw it away or at worst just take the sack, Pop Warner QBs know that. Maye didn't even know that he threw it backwards, he was arguing with the ref after the play, you could see him motioning that he thought it was an incomplete pass, he threw it backwards, it wasn't even close. That's a mistake, not a rookie mistake. On top of that it was at his own end zone. He knows better.

[@youngpower24]

This pod = YIKES

[@SkeletorsSon]

13 penalties by the Bills who just played bad, the Bills did everything to lose it just like the 3 teams we beat

[@puckwizard448]

Mayo's job at this point is to improve the team through the draft. He'll keep losing to improve their picks. I think he has a 5 year deal, so in 5 years the pats should have 5 years of first round top 3 picks. I think that's Robert plan and why Mayo sticks around.... otherwise Mayo would be gone..

[@GeorgeLe]

This is going in the dictionary as an example of access journalism

[@jackthequarterback]

Either everyone comes back or nobody does. Miss matching low tier OC’s when jerod has one foot out of the door already is stupid.

[@Orcasrule6355]

2 Things can be true at the same time. The patriots need better players & a better HC. Mayo wasn’t ready. Vrabel should’ve been the pick. Kraft should’ve thrown more money at Calvin Ridley & they should’ve kept Judon. AvP is the best coach on the team right now. Maye & Gonzo are your best players

[@matthewbuchanan908]

It is so obvious that Mayo is not the guy. You have Vrable available the most perfect fit for this team it's who actually wants to coach here. Last year I said Mayo was the worst hire in the league and we would be lucky to win 3 games and I was right. Hit reset and fire everyone! This team has no pulse or identity and the offensive coordinator being replaced does nothing. With another high pick as well if they retain Mayo get ready for a rough ride that will ruin our Franchise QB and set us back for a decade.

[@Gump-tion]

Don’t do that Tom. Don’t try to get the final word when Brian Hoyer’s not there to defend himself. That’s petty, bud. We respect the heck out of you, but don’t go there.

[@speedyfinalmile]

I think they will pack it in the next two weeks. Covington is awful. That sixty yard untouched run when up 14-0. Instantly got them back in the game.

[@flyingelvis8850]

Brian Hoyer calls out Curran because Curran says stupid shit!

[@btspyglass4077]

Pats stopped the Bills from setting the 30 pt mark from 8 to 9 games Given that the Oline has been not very good - it's really hard to get good reads on the rest of the O They do have some good players - the biggest need is the Oline And not convinced there is a premo LT in the draft

[@JeraldKralik]

Overall, at least some decent credit, but complaining about Mayo's short and sweet post-game press conference, give me a break: he is learning in real-time to switch to such banalities to insulate himself and the team from the adversarial media and criticism.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Please work on your sentence structure. I see you threw a few words in that are probably big words to you, but the sentence is pure shit. A bunch of commas and a colon don't help. What a tool.

[@Sasha-vb3mh]

Stop advocating for changing OCs on Drake Maye after his rookie year. He needs the consistency and better talent around him

[@ZackaryJoubert]

Thanks guys

[@yohanonshine4664]

Maye and booty were the best offensive players

[@billspencer5535]

We have the 2nd overall pick! Great job

[@I-am-BelowTheBelt]

Phil's "Kevin Hart Meme" cracked me up! Classic! 🤣

[@peterjacoby8019]

you need 4 new lineman dude, till then nothing else will matter. yes you DO need 4, maybe even 5 because you can't count on David Andrews coming back from an injury at his age, and Onwemu is mid at best by pff grade and he could easily get hurt too. maybe andrews just retires too need at least 4 new lineman this offseason

[@wigginingeneral]

Does no one remember Mayo wanting to burn some cash in free agency? You blamed Belichick and they were exactly the same after he left. Now you're blaming Mayo. I guarantee you if he leaves, they'll be the same. Van Pelt is too conservative.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Kraft is cheap, Kraft just wants his shills to blame everything on Belichick. It's absurd that they've put out this message of a rebuild that will take years, yet in the first offseason with plenty of cap space, they make no worthwhile additions and just resigned their own players. So you don't do anything in the first year of a multi-year rebuild? These guys are all idiots, but Kraft has the billions by marrying into it so he gets what he wants. And clearly he wants to shaft all Patriot fans.

[@stanleywalus9771]

They do not know how to win. They are what Pats used to do- stay close and let other team lose.

[@donslaine]

I think we gotta keep AVP and ditch Covington. Mayo I’m on the fence about.

[@flyingelvis8850]

Tom Curran sucks! Curran can never admit when he is wrong! I only watch this podcast because of Phil Perry!

[@googlechicken]

They both suck

[@Therantguyyeazy]

That back screen pass could been way worse 😮

[@BaronVonMunch]

No OC with a brain would ever want to design a backwards screen pass. There is a good reason why screen passes are thrown forward. Either it was a really bad design or Stephenson was in the wrong place.

[@stanleywalus9771]

So we like Mayo. Is that the right move moving forward. Look @ KC this year and last their defense is the reason nthey are winning. No trak meet here. OL & DL stability most important.

[@aaronmorrison1316]

You had your time it's over Go away!

[@theblackflame4002]

Curran thinks the line wasn't total trash? On that screen play, the damn Bills player could have caught it. Just retire

[@scottohara9001]

If you move on from the coordinators, just fire everyone JFC guys

[@rookiebee8628]

Bryan is completly correct. The Drake Maye glazers are getting annoying.

[@ironPatriots48]

Oh cut the s***, the both of you about the backwards Pass play. Hoyer is correct, once Drake seen it wasn't playing out, it should have been thrown in the turf. But if would have gotten a 60 yard play out of it , you would've loved it. Tom saying it shouldn't have been called because you don't know what can happen is in any designed play. Drake Maye is proving himself to be a good, well adapted athlete that can make quick decisions and I bet if they ran that same play, Maye would've learned from this one and the outcome would be different.

[@BaronVonMunch]

You can't throw a backwards pass into the turf idiot as it would be a fumble. He could have not thrown the designed screen pass, but I've seen many qbs throw them even when they aren't perfectly open. That's not unusual. What is strange is designing a backwards screen pass. That is a horrible idea and shouldn't be done, period. And Stephenson should have caught it, no excuse for him to drop that at all.

[@NGildred]

Look at the bright side both the Bills and the Pats are in second place with a shot at number one still. The only difference is the Bill are second in the AFC standings and the Pats are second in the draft. So go Pats hahaha 😅

[@theblackflame4002]

Great, NE has become the "Yay we almost won game wheeeeee"

[@aaronmorrison1316]

What's sad is it anybody cares about the Patriots at all

[@BaronVonMunch]

Only because it is clear that Drake Maye has some talent. Otherwise, I would be fine crapping all over Kraft's dumpster fire. He deserves it.

[@RJ-rp5ot]

Perry needs to find a new line of work.

[@tinhinnh]

Defense played better, created some to’s but had some bad luck

[@paulaiello2071]

They should get rid of Stevenson in offseason. Number one in fumbles. I cringe every time he carries the ball. Anybody have BenJarvus Green-Ellis number? 🤔

[@Paul-717]

I thinks screens and runs up the middle should be eliminated from all playbooks league-wide..... pathetic boring plays that blow up players and provide 0 yards

[@googlechicken]

Really well I guess the Patriots should give all those Lombardis back because it was pretty much the basis of their offense during those years

[@highlordfurer]

Van Pelt cannot give players talent.What makes talented players is not just physical traits but football smarts as well.Bad players make dumb mistakes and get physically beat that is why they are bad.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Teams that make a lot of mistakes are created by coaching. You don't have 1 roster of 53 plus players that all naturally don't make mistakes and another one that does. The coaching controls this. Always been this way and only idiots that know nothing about football don't understand this.

[@tonystarks7722]

Lets not get to excited , watch next week we get blown out , a lost is still a lost , it felt like vegas won this one had ppl scared in the start of the game

[@CoryD_85]

Or Drake Maye looks exactly like spit imagine of Josh Allen so let's get more excited than you all bitching abouts

[@ddavidone6538]

Buffalo tried hard to hand this one over

[@kang7664]

The level of cope is insane

[@dwayneroberts6616]

If I'm Drake Maye I'm telling my agent to find another team to go to as soon as my rookie contract is over. I wouldn't resign with this team. Kraft keeping Mayo is a big FU to Drake and the fans.

[@tonystarks7722]

Thats what I'm afraid of happening him and gonzo having them look elsewhere

[@Drew_F1]

Then youll get franchise tagged twice😂

[@carlomanymusic6379]

Keep Mayo....Keep the color guy, the team is no to good. No white coach yet please....

[@davidphillips4706]

Hire Vrabel, move Mayo to DC, build in the draft and free agency.

[@wifeofsicilian1657]

Shouldn't the D be better now with him as HC? It's hard to demote a CEO

[@BaronVonMunch]

Mayo can't be the DC because he knows nothing about defense. The Pats defense sucks and that is his fault, he's a defensive coach. They need to fire Wolf too and get a real gm.

[@davidphillips4706]

@@BaronVonMunch Mayo knows nothing about defense??? Rookie of the year, multiple Pro Bowls.....yeah, he's clueless.

[@davidphillips4706]

@@wifeofsicilian1657 He never should have been put in this position, he's much better served being the DC, and if he wants to stay with the team that is a good place for him.

[@NightowlProductionsGroup]

Tom Karen needs another job - and he can take that terrible head coach with him. Check out all those empty seats at Gillette, Tommy Boy.

[@JohnBarron-n]

12:30 16:40

[@marksylvia7087]

Frustrated listening to all negative Boston media. All you guys are lazy

[@MJFenix]

Tom 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@masediggity]

Man if we gotta hear about another damn moral victory

[@jaredR207]

I felt like they used up all the moral victories when it was still Can Newton. Krafts are on that 10 year rebuild.

[@Gbird71]

Shits getting old. Coaching staff is awful.