Necessary Killing | Frieren Beyond Journey's End | 1x20 REACTION & DISCUSSION

[@random3x70]

It's telling the demons suddenly became active 29 years ago, as thats when Himmel died. Man was such a hero that even as an old man Demons avoided activity till after he died. Himmel really is him

[@Martyyri]

Demons were so scared of bald old man who could barely walk. Himmel was a beast!

[@wiredrayne]

Demons being a long lived race as well, probably felt like waiting 80 years was easier and less significant than dealing with him. Though I feel like it was more than that considering they said Aura's powers RECOVERED around the same time he died. Sounded more like a seal to me. Need to read the novels someday to find out.

[@chaddaifouche536]

@@wiredrayne Pretty sure that's just how it appeared to most people that were not aware that Himmel died that year : for most human, he would just be a legend, they wouldn't really follow his state or even know he was still alive at the time. But demons (at least the big bosses) would remember Himmel, still be afraid of him and completely willing to wait for his inevitable end. So Himmel die and people who don't know that see a lot of previously recluse demons suddenly making big moves ? No wonder they think they "regained" their power at this time.

[@cirnotheicefairy3609]

@@chaddaifouche536 not just that, but most people in that world don't even know that Himmel the Hero was active even in his last years until the year the era meteor shower was going to come again.. at least if Himmel going around enough to go to check Qual's seal regularly is any indication.. in other words, even when he was super old, he was still deemed an absolute threat by demonkind.

[@GewalfofWivia]

In this world demons are creatures of magic and magic is the art of imagined possibility. Himmel struck such fear into demons that they subconsciously reject the possibility that they can achieve anything while he still lives.

[@anagramhound]

"The magic a person specializes in is strongly related to their life and nature." Some says Fern's quickdraw is related to when she was training while racing against the time before Heiter passed away, cuz she needed to fire her spell faster to train more in much shorter time. And I think that actually makes sense.

[@kirbyjoe7484]

“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times.” ― Bruce Lee Part of what makes Fern so dangerous is she has absolutely mastered that single versatile and utilitarian offensive magic spell Frieren drilled into her for most of her of her life at this point. It's use has become instinctual muscle memory to her since it is all she has ever known. Even a mage that has had the time and commitment to master a handful of offensive spells won't be quite as fast because there is that fraction of a second where they must consider which spell is best for the situation.

[@JackDespero]

10:00 Exactly 29 years ago the demon activity started again. I want to imagine a demon boss waiting patiently and the underlings insisting: "Come on, boss, Himmel the hero is like 94! He is just an old bloke by now!" And the boss is like "You haven't seen him. I ain't going to risk it". Even at the very last stage of his life, Himmel still instilled terror in the hearts of demons.

[@Arkayjiya]

He was more like 76 when he died and he did walk 7 days straight to see a meteore shower at that age despite being in bad enough health that he was going to die soon, so I think the demons were clearly right to fear him. And yes, the way he inspired fear in the heart of demons until the very end is kind of hilarious.

[@InstantSilence]

Fern turned 18 in episode 14. Stark mentioned in episode 7 that he's only a few months older than her and his 18th birthday was in episode 12. In episode 17, Frieren says Fern will be a full fledged adult in 2 years, so I guess in their universe, a 20yo is considered a full fledged adult.

[@13aker0]

This was the same thing we have here in Japan.. 20 years old is considered adult or 社会人 and be part of the shakai. Everyone is given these ceremonies every January and yeah we all look forward to it, since it's the time we can all legally drink Alcohol.

[@InstantSilence]

@13aker0 That's cool. I never knew that about Japan.

[@MxMoondoggie]

Denken is the only one there for who Frieren isn't some distant tale written about in books and shown in old statues. He was born around the time they defeated the Demon King so he would have grown up hearing all sorts of heroic tales of the hero party and Frieren herself from people who were around when it happened. By now it's been like 80 years since that happened so most of the people who were alive to see them are probably dead. It's like growing up now reading about the World Wars, it doesn't seem real and the amount of people left who have first hand experience of the events is diminishing fast.

[@bobislav85]

I really like how indeed magic is connected to the person who wield it and his personality. For example Whirbel is not natural born killer, he has a binding spell to procrastinate killing. Since he is not such he could not spot Fern's bluff. But the crazy sociopath who has cutting magic could tell Fern's bluff right away.

[@valeharperx]

Every episode of this anime is so perfect beyond words that I genuinely, truly do not care if they take 2 years, 3 years or even more between seasons. That's how patient I'm willing to be to get rewarded with such beauty. The longer they take, the more I'll be able to rewatch between and before every new season as well. I see this as an absolute win.

[@Vikumbra]

I really love Wirbel, he really feels like that "common protag" in most fantasy stories but he has a lot of depth to him actually. You first think he is a typical murder hobo but he truly has a heart of gold even throughout all the killing hes had to do.

[@folcwinep.pywackett8517]

Excellent comment

[@ObiwanNekody]

9:28 yes, Wirbel having to litterly carry his team is pretty funny.

[@JakeyJakers]

People were quick to dismiss this as just another "tournament arc" but it really fleshes out humanity's interaction with magic in this world. And who needs Himmel flashbacks when you have Great Value "We have Himmel at home" Wirbel?

[@Kal-213]

Not great value Himmel lol

[@usernamealreadytaken9330]

Nah, we have two for one Himmel Stark and Wirbel

[@govindachandradas4580]

"The birds are casually hanging out with them😅." That's Genau and Sense subtly displaying the power of a first class mage. Next episode is hype ❤

[@delirious4565]

...and a narratively significant power at that ;-)

[@zam023]

Technically, they were doing what Freiren was doing, suppressing their mana. That is why the birds did not fly away from them.

[@Ichigoku15]

I think that's the second or third time we've heard that demons were scared sh*tless of Himmel, even when he was an old, short man. I'm so curious of his power. I can't wait for the day we see a potential flashback of him going all out on the Demon King.

[@BigHeadClan]

15:30 - While no words were spoken, I think we all heard that internal swearing that went on when the episode ended. lol

[@druidicdwarf]

The subversion of Wirbel is interesting in this episode and the bombshell of Serie and the intrigue of Denken is a highlight of how well they make characters of this show. I love your questions about the characters - excited to see if you get answers. Thank you for reacting and sharing your thoughts!

[@kausaru._]

Yay, another Frieren Reaction from Flexie, thanks for the upload🙌

[@daesonhow]

I just wanna say you uploading frieren reactions takes me back to the excitement I felt waiting every Friday for a new frieren episode to drop, we called it "Frieren Friday"

[@your_neko]

"How old is Serie?" Yes. She is literally a bedtime story in flesh.

[@FlexiejayAnime]

😂

[@zmortis111]

Older than Frieren, and younger than Kraft.

[@masterprick1]

​@@zmortis111 Is it confirmed that Kraft is older?

[@Silverhorse777]

@@zmortis111 Any proofs? Elves' ages were never mentioned in the manga, neither Kraft, nor Serie.

[@luigimanzelli3786]

@@zmortis111 not younger than Kraft, Serie has first hand seen the birth of human civilization, Kraft never mentioned anything that happened 10-12 thousand years ago, unless there is a huge reveal by Kraft, it's safe to assume Serie is older, probably by quite a bit too.

[@bugra-yildirim]

That expression Frieren gave definitely screams that she know the name "Serie"

[@ObiwanNekody]

11:58 what Denkin wants is truly golden.

[@giantWario]

It's interesting how Ubel, someone who enjoys killing, could tell that Fern was lying while Wirbel, the reluctant killer, couldn't. Just like she could tell that, despite his repeated attempts at intimidating her, Wirbel actually tried to avoid having to kill her as much as possible, Ubel could just tell that Fern wasn't a killer either.

[@limini5656]

While she is super good at reading people, she also has known fern a bit longer than Wirbel does and I also believe that Wirbel was just ready to believe her so he wouldn't have to kill

[@zam023]

As the saying goes, "it takes one to know one." - in this context, a killer will know who a real killer is.

[@hulmhochberg8129]

​@@limini5656yea, i also do think he accepted it pretty quickly in order to 1. Not have to kill übel and 2. Avoid having to fight fern, and potentially even kill her too (, or getting himself killed by her)

[@GewalfofWivia]

This arc is one of the best arcs in all anime imo. It introduces so many fascinating characters and does them all justice. Simply amazing.

[@nickvanachthoven7252]

the next episode is the beginning of frieren just endlessly flexing on everyone around her. its some of that good sht.

[@luigimanzelli3786]

the legendary Serie is here, for the first we are introduced to a character that has a bigger legacy and reputation than Frieren in the magical world, and it's soo hype, and who knows how many things she's done were lost in time, like with Kraft, i think you'll like Serie after a while, curious to see, she's so elite imo.

[@murasaki908]

Serie is here! Let's go!!!!

[@SageVallant]

Denken is a G and I love him so. Bro is faced with a legendary mage and he's like "Nah, I'll win."

[@JRGomez81]

You can see from this episode how magic has evolved among the humans. While older mages like Denken and mages active in combat like Wirbel have a more diverse repertoire of spells to call on, younger mages like Laufen, Lawine and Kanne all hyper-focus on one spell or one school of magic that the (overall) peaceful times have allowed.

[@jonathan083]

I love your smug/smirk Frieren cosplay❤❤❤

[@FlexiejayAnime]

Hahah thank you!! 😄

[@scootdog1329]

​@@FlexiejayAnimeit was so gooood! Home run all the way!🫡✌️

[@blshouse]

Ehre: The girl fighting Wirbel will probably be killed. Fern: Playtime is over.

[@GeminiSaint1]

Denken is my favorite new character in this arc, by far.

[@beiszapfen1407]

As much as I love him I like Serie even more. One of the most nuanced characters of the show in my opinion.

[@nicoalbert1450]

Lets make an update on the meanings of the names: Richter - Judge Denken - Thinking Laufen - Running Übel - like bad, evil or also feeling sick Land - Country, Countryside Ehre - Honor Wirbel - twisted or like a tornado (Wirbelsturm - twisted storm) Scharf - sharp Serie - series, serial Sense - scithe genau - precise

[@SonesBen]

Oh, Frieren absolutely knows who Serie is.

[@jesuschavero1665]

I like the magic exam arc, but I have to say I enjoy more the other arcs in Frieren. That said, the character building in this arc, with all these new characters is amazing. I'd say Denken is my favorite character among those we meet during this magic exam story, but all of them are really interesting.

[@UltraHD.7]

Favorite new character? Well, definitely Serie. You could fill books with the complexity of her character ☺

[@IzualRivasTavera]

Always as early as i can be, love you Flexie

[@청화수님팬]

You are the frieren's best reactor.

[@marcelasepulveda4930]

yeeeeeeess!!! these episodes are great.... can´t believe that youre already at this episode.... next 2 mean like episode 21 and 22 are my favorites... you will see why, soon enough... I hope you enjoy all the rest of the episodes... watching here your reactions makes me feel great and wanna watch the whole series again.... cant wait to the 2nd season either.... glad that you are watching it too...hope youre fine and have a great weekend and a better week...

[@MultiAFroDuck]

"frieren is out here training murderers" lmao that line delivery was hilarious

[@ObiwanNekody]

Thank you for sharing 😊

[@artboymoy]

Frieren recognized the name for sure. I like Wirbe'ls team a lot. They're fun and Denken's group is cool as well. Really like the design of Laufen.

[@젤리-g8b]

Like Lawine and Kanna, a generation has been born that doesn't know Frieren. It's like watching kids who don't know who Michael Jackson was. 😂

[@zam023]

Do you know Elvis?

[@젤리-g8b]

@@zam023 Sounds like a name I've heard before. I don't know exactly who he is. 😅

[@gojicandle8188]

​@@zam023 to be fair this could vary by country

[@seynoonrae2474]

I find it interesting that Kraft an old elf who talked a bit like he met the goddess had an image of the goddess in mind that looked like an adult version of Frieren. Yet Serie another old elf has an image of the goddess that matches her own golden color scheme more.

[@fjoergyn]

Fern just again face-stone lying and dancing. Denken with the highdensity-physical-fist.

[@KARS5560]

Yeah, Fern is kind of terrifying, isn't she? I will never stop loving how her fighting style basically boils down to "I have a Zoltraak here with your name on it, and I'm just going to keep firing them at you until we both find out which one it is."

[@LordZeebee]

Just for a teenytiny bit of context as to what 50 years means in human lives, a little less than 50 years ago the most complex video gaming system was the Atari 2600. Just 51 years ago the first ever computer to use a computer mouse for input was released, the internet would not exist for more than at least another decade and the first handheld mobile phone call was made using a phone that weighed 2kg(almost 5lb). It's a loooooong time ago in human terms.

[@brightmatter]

Of note is Fern was not taught to suppress mana. Remember even a legendary mage Frieren had a hard time finding her in the woods. Even Frieren had to be taught that skill! It is even said in the episode that if Frieren moves she leaks detectable mana. Fern sneaked up on that dude meaning she. was. moving! On top of that she can apparently sense mana more than any other represented mage so far (Except her master I assume). On top of THAT Frieren taught her how to unload like a Gatling gun a modified Zoltrak (which Fern does not even know is modifed afaik). She is quite possibly the most dangerous assassin in this world, and she thinks it is just normal.

[@seynoonrae2474]

The thing about Fern and Frieren's fire power I find funny is that all seem to have overlooked that Frieren took out a good chunk of a mountain in the back when killing the Einsam early on in the story.

[@ostvel]

If you enjoy Frieren, I cannot stress this enough, please start watching Natsume Yuujinchou. It has the emotional impact like Frieren, and wonderful Japanese folklore elements. You’d love it 🥰

[@TheIllio]

I guess it's already known that the characters names are German words. No idea if someone already commented on this, but here are some translations of the test takers names: Frierens party (2): Kanne - watering can (at least in this context) Lawine - avalanche Ferns party (4): Übel - bad or evil (usually used for sickness, so its not exactly "evil", but more like simply "really not good") Land - land (can also mean "country" or "earth") Party 8: Ehre - honor Scharf - sharp Wirbel - vortex Party 13: Denken - to think Laufen - to run Richter - judge (tbh I think the name "Land" wouldve been a better fit, since he uses earth magic) Conductors: Genau - exact Sense - scythe Serie - series Some of the name choices are quite genius, others are a bit random or weird, but overall most of the important characters names are spot on and immediately tell something about their personality or some major characteristics.

[@EitherProductions]

Richter is a dual-purpose reference because of the Richter Scale, which measures earthquake tremors.

[@TheIllio]

@@EitherProductions Nice, didnt think about that.

[@tsogobauggi8721]

15:06 That's what she said. ;) Also... "how on EARTH is he doing that" Exactly. :)

[@Алексей545-т6б]

Well...if Frieren is not from pre-historic time...well, Serie IS

[@Алексей545-т6б]

At this point Fern is 17 years old (she is 16 in ep 4)

[@andrewscussel9165]

It’s been awhile since I watched, I forgot how brutal the cliffhangers are 😂

[@quarvo23]

Every scene with Serie is a treat.

[@teafollet5361]

I was just thinking this whole thing is quite similar to the Forest of Death from Naruto. I wouldn't be surprised if it were an old fanfic that was adapted to fit in Frieren's universe haha - exam in trios where candidates can be killed - deadly forest with huge beasts - object to collect from other teams (parchments/Stille) - even clones!

[@henrydrawsven7082]

next episode is PEAK!!!!!! amazing 10/10

[@dungskie3335]

I like Wirbel..he looks like* scary murder guy But deep inside he’s just soft

[@トムジェリ-o1e]

あなたのフリーレンのreactionが好きです❤️

[@javigotamahi9461]

9:53 I'm rewatching this w you, I think this increase in demon activity isn't a coincidence with the death of Himmel, I think they may have been afraid to do anything while he was still alive

[@wismsgre]

I hope I'm not too annoying with this, but I still want to keep alive the idea of watching Spice and Wolf after Frieren, since they are kind of similar

[@ジャス-q4q]

A bit of trivia, in the manga the author hinted that Wirbel's childhood crush was Sense but never dug deeper into it

[@rendezvousonmemorylane]

Wrong, it was Mikasa.

[@kiteflying9317]

Mikasa 100%, same scarf

[@FlexiejayAnime]

I tried to not say anything about that scarf…. lol

[@MaryBaker-ev6cu]

😅I had the exact same thought.

[@LiammJH]

@@FlexiejayAnime Wirbel's VA is Jean's VA from AOT so it oddly fits lol.

[@skycladobserver9246]

"I'm missing the flashbacks..." funny you should say that... lol

[@archi.1637]

Yeyy, another my favorit anime Reaction 🥰

[@imunstoppable5319]

You gotta make MORE SHORTS!! By the way if you want then I could show you what I got. It would be much appreciated if a student like me could get a side hustle from you 😉!!!

[@gundamzing]

You think Fern is powerful now... wait til you see what her teacher will do in the next episode.

[@1Bumbelbee]

My favorite time is when you watch spyxfamily and frieren.

[@folcwinep.pywackett8517]

Very cute Flexie response to EP 20. WIth respect to the Scharf vs Land fight, have you not heard the expression, "Put the petal to the metal!" WIth deep respect to the Wirbel vs Übel fight, Übel could have easily killed Wirbel as he suggests which also suggests that she is not as evil as her name. With even deeper respect to the Fern vs Ehre fight, Fern took down a major demon without breaking a sweat, Ehre who is the granddaughter of Lernen is in way too deep. Fern is a monster! In this world there does not seem to be any penalty for a mage to kill another mage. To Richter, killing Lawine and Kanne is just a reasonable decision in how to defeat Frieren. Richter is using Fullmetal Alchemist transformation magic which he will explain in detail. The next 8 episodes are hysterically histrionic. Hope your chair is equipped with seatbelts!

[@eizy1010]

I'm first 😂..Next episode gonna be hype & one character truly mvp for every male out there.

[@DDHDTV]

I feel like you'd make a great Übel cosplay

[@paulpenna5615]

We got flashbacks this episode, just not Frieren's flashbacks. If you're looking for new shows in the future, might I recommend *Banished from the Hero's Party, I Decided to Live a Quiet Life in the Countryside.* It's very much what I thought this show was going to be. It's nowhere near as good as Frieren, but frankly, I can say that about most anime, Frieren is just simply that good. But it's another show which features adventurers after they have stopped adventuring. And it's charming in its own way.

[@aagapleh8600]

Dattebayooooo❤

[@MadeForD]

15:10 that's what she said

[@tabo51]

I have a question for this community about Wirbel. When talking about his crush he knew that it was exactly 29 years ago but he also says that he was "4 or 5". Does he not know his own age? Is he trying to hide something? Does he REALLY not remember the name and face of said crush? If it's revealed later just say so to avoid spoilers but if not I'm interested to hear how you interpreted it.

[@bataswajar7630]

according wiki Wirbel is 33-34 years old. his crush fled with her family to the Central Lands after demons started appearing again, 29 years ago after himmel dead.

[@EitherProductions]

Well, 29 years earlier, he *was* 4 or 5 years old. It depends on the month and day, as long as he wasn't born on January 1st (or its equivalent).

[@Eliotxshadowfrost21]

Is it insanity that all the hype around this show when it first came out honestly killed my desire to watch it as you couldnt literally exist online without seeing spoilers, so I never actually watched it but knew basically the main things that happened, and I am now experiencing it for the actual first time watching your reaction videos on it? I wont lie ive been actually enjoying it and may one day sit by myself and watch it through on my own but for now, this is good.

[@FlexiejayAnime]

🥹💞 I’m so happy to hear this. Thank you for watching with me - it’s definitely a special show. I’m loving it!

[@rendezvousonmemorylane]

Why would you ruin a show for yourself by watching reactions...

[@Eliotxshadowfrost21]

@@rendezvousonmemorylane it was ruined for me already as I said in my original content by all the spoilers posted online when the show was first airing.

[@_zurr]

​@@Eliotxshadowfrost21idk, there aren't many huge twists in the season, it's all in the execution, and it's worthwhile watching the show alone in its full glory before having even the execution foiled with the reduced quality and quantity of a reaction

[@Eliotxshadowfrost21]

@@_zurr hey now, reactions have their own charm though too. It’s a bit disrespectful to say that it’s low quality.

[@jeanne9776]

I'm so early this time

[@FlexiejayAnime]

Hey! 👋🏻😄

[@luorca5686]

Frieren's master is actually the founder of the association not serie.

[@15P3R14]

Just watch it again for yourself :D

[@draco_nyxieX]

Serie has actually been shown and mentioned before in one of the flashbacks containing flamme I think you just forgot

[@FuzzyMuffin1]

Denken my love.

[@kemasrafie]

Just some trivia Kraft older than Serie Serie older than Frieren

[@zam023]

Someone already proved that Serie is older than Kraft.

[@Gnexz.]

@@zam023I wonder why she looks so young

[@faizalrazali2654]

Himmel = right person, not enough time ..

[@Kevinofrepublic]

Does anyone know if she'll ever return to Hero Academia?

[@FlexiejayAnime]

Posting S3 on Patreon and streaming S4 this month 💖 please check my community posts for updates on KZbin series postings ☺️🙏🏻

[@Gnexz.]

@@FlexiejayAnimeFlexie, do you ever plan on adjusting streaming times since some people in Asia have the streams at like past 1 am

[@krishnajoshi6395]

where is naruto epp!! The arcs gonna hit hard.

[@user-vz1mm3rh8w]

Peak

[@jakemaanimeikalainen248]

Wtf do you mean Richter has no reason to kill the kids?! It is the most logical way to defeat them just kill one of the kids so you don't have to defeat Frieren THE legendary mage in combat since not having a full party means you've failed.

[@zmortis111]

The problem with "killing the kids" is that doesn't stop a much more powerful mage from killing you either during the exam or afterwards. Denken is well aware that Frieren defeated the Demon King, and respects that level of accomplishment as someone who you should not to anger. Sure he'll fight to test himself against her, but he won't risk her getting serious about wiping them all out.

[@jakemaanimeikalainen248]

@zmortis111 We aren't here to debate what is a good plan for them at this situation. Not seeing the reason behind Richter's plan is just silly either way.

[@TheWaross]

Fern really the type of player in fighting games to spam attack the same thing over and over 😭 WTF rude

[@Dora-gj5yi]

1st

[@heitordealmeida]

Of the characters in this arc, I like Denken and I find Wirbel interesting and I simply despise Lawine and Kanna. I don't like Ubel either, like that whole psycho vibe. It's very boring.