Necromunda - Venators - The Complete Gang Guide - Part 1 (New Rules)

[@katfezza4570]

First thing I did after downloading the file was make a Squat gang that wasn't prospectors. Old school squats with lasguns and quilted flak armour! Also messaged GW asking them to clarify whether the bestman costs are accurate as it looks like a copy/paste from the ratlings.

[@Hoggezilla]

I'm blown away by the opportunities with this gang! I don't know where to start, but I know I won't stop making venators anytime soon.

[@jessepunch8945]

I just finished a dominion campaign, i was playing venators…. Our New campaign starts next week, I was going to play a meleeish esher list… now i may just play venators again 😂

[@wellywoodwargaming]

Be rude not to

[@ched---]

Hype Beastmen? Can't wait to start kitbashing

[@dexterello]

Finally my ogryn, squat and rathlings can play in the same gang and be effective.

[@dm51964]

This is awesome and now need to get my hands on some of the Kill Team Beastmen. This is awesome overall for kit bashing

[@underhiversunderconstructi290]

Great video, lots to discuss!

[@redbeardie]

Nice! Thanks GW, and thanks Damon 😆

[@doctorgepta9695]

My friend played Slave Ogryns, and he is super excited about the fact he can finally play a more flexible band of Ogryns and Ratlings as an Abhuman Rights Movement! While I find a Beastmen prices and rules quite cheese to a point I'll probably ban them on my campaigns (or highly restrict them), it is a welcome addition to the game. I also have a question on the mechanics, since our community aren't English speakers. Do Outlaw gangs have restriction from hiring non-outlaw Hangers-on. For example, do Corpse Grinders have access to Rogue docs? Because from what we thought, they don't, but the Ash Wastes Nomads can hire them, despite being outlaw. Cheers and thank you in advance!

[@wellywoodwargaming]

I believe outlaws can still hire ammo jacks, Rogue doc, slopper and Dome runner

[@wellywoodwargaming]

Just up the credit costs of all beastmen by 40 creds and its fixed

[@tbird1053]

The call out for making them a psyker was never in the venator rules, since it’s in the Book of the Outcast psyker rules I’d call it an arbitrator choice, but one I’d allow if we weren’t restricting the available rules for any reason.

[@Clarence_40k]

If GW doesn't,I hope we come to a community shared ruleset fixed in cost and stat. The fact ratlings can use heavy weapons is funny too.

[@Wendelvendel]

I love everything about this apart from one thing... No mutations means I can't do my strontium dog themed venators!

[@Devianreal]

Great vid. I forsee super nasty venator leader with Word Keeper's equipped Great Sword.

[@wellywoodwargaming]

The greatsword is the only real highlight on that list I reckon

[@Devianreal]

@wellywoodwargaming yeah, you are right. But move 6 leader statline with 3 attacks makes it versatile 4 on charge hitting on 2s. Sever on GS practically erases inability to coup de grace with versatile weapon. So yeah, i am running crazy ex-cawdor leader and oh boi id love to run it with spring up on 2+ initiative model haha

[@wellywoodwargaming]

That's fantastic, might steal that idea for the lists part 2

[@Devianreal]

@@wellywoodwargaming Do it! Haha appreciate that. I'd imagine using this leader to hunt/juves gangers to accumulate xp. Since early game he would be slaying those heretics easily as true ex-cawdor would do. Then its up to the player whether to improve characteristics or go for skills. Id say he needs more strength into the late game. Eh, wish my Helot Cult Demagogue would have that statline. Id get him slaanesh blessing +2 move and run 8 inches 😂😂😂

[@crimsonsphinx]

The only way the beastman points value makes sense is if they had some horrible downside in special rules which was removed before printing.

[@IlikethingsIdo]

I saw no wyrd skill tree. However, would it be possible to take Delaque legacy for leader or champ and finesse wyrd powers into the gang that way given that you can make a master of shadow a wyrd. Just a thought. Otherwise, omission of wyrd is an oversight possibly.

[@wellywoodwargaming]

You only get the equipment from the house legacy nit the skills

Wasn't there a rule in Book of the Outcasts that said, you could use a venator-leader with psi powers? That rule should not have been overwritten?

[@MalakhimJWQ1]

Hail all

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

Dang I was hoping you’d be able to take gang specific skillsets on venators. Used to be able to do that i think No finesse orgyns :(

[@FunkBastid]

Beastbros, rise up

[@WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-hg3li]

Thank's for the great video. I could be missing something but it seems that you don't have to take a legacy on any model as on every entry it states that they "may" take a legacy.

[@Johnlikesoldstuff]

Unless the Book of the Outcast is no longer considered valid it says there (p.52) that venator hunt leaders can be ugraded to a psyker for 35 pts. I'd consider that valid even if not in this document (which has obvious flaws).

[@PhoenixDA]

I am really up for some kit bashing here and the scope for it is off the scale! For the beastmen, it must be a botched copy and paste job from the ratlings. I have discussed this with my group today and we are going to increase their costs in line with goliath forge tyrants, forge bosses and bruisers as their statlines are pretty similar. So 135, 100 and 55 respectively. At least until GW respond officially

[@CygnusMaximusXIII]

My books are all boxed-up, so I can't check, but isn't "upgrade to an unsanctioned psyker" part of the Delaque leader's equipment? Or is that separate? If it's part of the equipment, then you can make a Venator leader a psyker.

[@thammut1892]

So, no more Psyker Hunt Leaders?!!

[@wellywoodwargaming]

Looks that way but I think it's fine tbh

[@thammut1892]

@@wellywoodwargaming As a guy who never had a Psyker Venator leader myself, I would actually rather have all the other choices to dribble over. My favourite part of Munda is gang building and planning, so I think Venators are gonna be my main focus this year, sorry Chaos gods for putting you to one side (as Helots are my usual main gang). Do we think the Outcasts will get an expansion like this too? I guess the mutant thing was not too long ago. Love my outcast mutants.

[@thammut1892]

Also I am wondering, are choosing House Legacies free now? I seem to remember it costing like 30 credits? **Sorry yeah, you did address this. No more 30 credits for house legacies? I like this change too! You are right, xmas again! Nice start to the year indeed.

[@Arcodus]

Thank for video. So, if I spring Beastmen Venators on my friends and I wanna stay friends I cost the Beastmen at Squat equivalents?

[@wellywoodwargaming]

Yeah or even 60

[@Arcodus]

@@wellywoodwargaming Thanks, I shall do that, buy as Squat equivalent for all Beastmen roster spots, with an extra fist of creds thrown in... because Damn! Them beast seem rather killer!💀

[@saint3371]

I dont't like the loss of a psychic leader. The rest seems like a lot of fun

[@HerrMarajin]

Are you sure no longer being able to have psykers is what they intended? From what I see this thing doesn't fully replace the old list, for example, other than the whole adding on legacy equipment thing I didn't see anything about the equipment for each of the fighters, so I assume you're supposed to refer back to the old list for their equipment with their "trading post up until rarity whatever" thing. So maybe upgrading to have a psyker is supposed to grandfather in as well. I might have missed something of course. (edit: I missed something, the equipment is in the document)

[@NielsBeier]

I wondered as well. Unless you're only allowed to make a House-specific Venators list, and then having to use their respective House Lists for their Equipment List? Don't think it's supposed to be an all-you-can-grab buffet from the Trading Post, with no Rarity restrictions?

[@wellywoodwargaming]

I'd rule it as no personally just because you don't have access to any skills outside of the core as written in the doc

[@monoperative]

@@wellywoodwargaming The option to unlock wyrd powers for a Venator leader isn't from the Venator list in Book of Peril though, it came from the 'Using Wyrd Powers' section in Book of the Outcast, where it's offered as an upgrade for 35 credits. There's nothing to suggest that this apocrypha renders Book of the Outcast void, so it should still be a valid option.

[@wellywoodwargaming]

@monoperative hmm I'll have a look at it

[@HerrMarajin]

@@monoperative Yeah, I just checked both Perils and Outcast and was about to write this here too. I think it remains the same as before.

[@ExiledLoiner]

Those Beastmen need a 40 credit tax adding on every entry IMO. It's so blatantly off that it puts me off using this document.

[@monoperative]

I can't get past that either. I've already seen somebody cost up a 13 beastman gang for 1000 credits. If it isn't faq'd, then I'm not looking forward to my next event.

[@wellywoodwargaming]

I think 40 creds is actually bang on looking at it 35 at minimum

[@Matt-md5yt]

Sweet

[@Irishrover13]

Hells you move fast.

[@wellywoodwargaming]

I live for it

[@Irishrover13]

​@wellywoodwargaming I do as well, but new baby, so I am living vicariously through your videos right now.