Need For Speed's Supercar Era Was Overhated

Need For Speed's distography runs far deeper than just a single theme. The series has evolved countless times since its inception, and in doing so, created multiple eras in which fans of the series refer to in their respective time periods. Today, Serp looks back at the tumultuous "Supercar Era" and asks the question as to why these games are so over-hated, and shines some light onto why this may be.
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[@AdrenalineBound]

Man, BlackPantha should watch your videos. You understand the core of these game rather than being obsessed by little features of it.

[@abuabdullah8024]

Yea, I think his voice is pretty important in NFS because EA listens to him

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

That's why nfs is in that state. He is the one that pushed for more grinding and customisation. Customisation is like a dessert. It's of no use without a core game! ( main meal).

[@LostAccount.21]

Someone should contact him and show this vid

[@drift_works]

black panthaa is not the reason why the game is bad🤣 the reasons are the budget for the game, the pressure from EA, the constant team changes, the difficulty of keeping everyone happy and developing the game in a now dated engine... I've been following black panthaa for a decade, and he simply can influence some thoughts during development BUT IF THE GAME IS BROKEN TO THE CORE HOW SHOULD IT BE HIS FAULT?

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

@@drift_works if he is not influencing by feedback to any extent ( 0% ) we won't be having any grind in the recent games. If recent games are like a rip off of forza horizon then grind should be non existent. They clearly focused on customisation without having a game underneath ( nfs unbound ). No way that happened without someone influencing the course of the game development. The singleplayer in unbound still has zero content apart from the 4 week campaign. Meanwhile the dead multiplayer gets new modes. How can you blame EA for that ? If that's payback like progression, yeah that's classic EA meddling with the game. The three things emphasised by theo are the problems nfs has now. Grinding progression , customisation and online multiplayer.

[@leospeedleo]

„NFS should go back to its roots“ Meanwhile NFS literally did that but the „fans“ were too stupid to realize that 😂

[@alphaenterprise2232]

I believe it's because of the car culture that is being promoted by media. Slammed stanced JDMs with sky rocketing prices, when those "shitboxes" were never meant to be in higher echelons,amongst luxury sport cars.

[@leospeedleo]

@@alphaenterprise2232 here in Germany the car culture is taking everything from shitboxes to super cars, putting nice wheels on it, lowered high quality suspension (KW and others) without stance and maybe a carbon lip. Or building a Nordschleife track tool. We never had Underground tuning with sound systems, body kits and shit 😅

[@Your-Local-RX-Guy]

​@@leospeedleo Welp, I guess I'm moving to Germany.

[@REBELRAVEBOY]

​@@leospeedleo I remember Germany having a huge Euro Tuning scene in the 90s, kinda similar to Max Power scene in the UK or a mix of both Hot import and Max Power cause there we're some insane builds 1996-2002

[@IlhamParamartha]

Goes to show that these "fans" never actually play the original ones.

[@gunman8452]

I remember people saying that NFS should go back to its roots back in 2013, when these games were the literal definition of its roots

[@starletsuperturbo1293]

The Run is literally Road & Track Presents: The Need For Speed, but with a story

[@zerotofifty]

They were a bunch of ignorant BlackBox era fanbois, no need to take them seriously.

[@NFSBeast2365]

Yup. I remember

[@sami.mtg.]

@@zerotofiftyunfortunately, they have the loudest voices

[@Zynet_Eseled]

​@@sami.mtg. unfortunately.

[@firajessica806]

I love how the Shift series is not even fit in any of the NFS era you've mention. They both feels more like an early beta access of Project CARS rather than an actual NFS

[@Tha-mountain]

Shifts n prosteet was the "legal era"

[@askerleaves1614]

I consider shift and nitro a part of that brief “strange era”

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

While shift was in no means a bad game it definitely wasn't nfs. More like grid but with less damage.

[@andreigtx1711]

that's the best description of the shift games i've read, especially considering the very first public alphas for project cars 1 were built upon shift 2 directly

[@sofwanlutfy4050]

ProStreet and Shift series are no NFS. What defines NFS are three: 1) Cops 2) Exotic cars 3) Non-circuit environments Anything else is either mere fluff or niceties. Lack any of the three points, that's not NFS. And yes, I dare say Underground series isn't NFS either. It's F&F games with NFS label on it.

[@LostAccount.21]

Tuning culture made NFS fans stubborn and close minded AF 🤦

[@2021._.rav4]

Fr

[@abuabdullah8024]

Agreed, but honestly can you blame them though, especially with the MW reboot. The game ran smooth, looked great, but calling it MW when it clearly was a BURNOUT game with licensed cars ruined it for me. I loved RIVALS and HP2010 because COPS v ROBBERS.

[@TheGermanCharizard]

Maybe in some ways like yes I like tuning but also like good story and Police chases! Yes tuning is a Part of NFS but it's not just tuning!

[@benn8793]

Not just the NFS fans. Every racing game that doesn't offer enough tuning these days is trashed like hell. Nowadays, if a racing game comes out with little or no tuning, it's either badmouthed or ignored by large sections of the "community". Take the new Test Drive as an example. The game obviously offers very little tuning, if any at all. Especially in terms of visuals. The fact that the franchise has always been like this doesn't interest these people. The game has a lot of obvious problems. But tuning is not one of them.

[@msr_metal]

if the 15 year olds cant slam their ugly rocket bunny kits on a brz they wont steal moms credit card to buy your game

[@RossCuth]

Man, to have a modern Hot Pursuit style game would be amazing. I've been playing Hot Pursuit Remastered for over 2500+ hours since 2021, and play it nearly everyday because of how simple yet utterly fun and thrilling it is. It's truly a shame we likely won't get a game like it again.

[@ld9387]

Hot Pursuit remastered will forever be a masterpiece

[@r1nom1kiyt80]

i personally prefer the run over it but those games are what i grew up with and i love them

[@thehunt8r]

Rivals 2 with a bigger map would be sick

[@RossCuth]

@@thehunt8r That and not being always online, allow us the choice to hop into an online map or single player like Hot Pursuit 2010.

[@lieutenantcandlewax]

@@ld9387 Apart from the randomly spawning traffic glitch.

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

Need for speed was ruined by its so called die hard fans. It's bizarre that they didn't like pursuit weapons. ( literally hotpursuit and rivals are the only games that feature it). It's a grounded take on car combat with racing. They are too focused on progress and customisation that later nfs games had to lock spoilers and hoods behind dumb errands like complete 5 billboards. Classic nfs games had no customisation ( just pre existing color options for cars ) and they were okay with it. Unbound has customisation , but there is nothing to do in the game! 2 types of event, annoying cops that serve no role in the game other than to make you run around in circles trying to get to the meet up to start a race, way less tracks or circuits ( you try playing races and it's the same race after a few in game days), no transfer over of offline garage, rampant use of meta cars in mp with severe grinding almost to the point that it might be free to play as it's own game. I wonder why these people want to endlessly grind.

[@itz_iper2317]

In my opinion pursuit weapons, racer and cop teams really are what makes nfs more original and fun, other than just "illegal street racing game"

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

@@itz_iper2317 I second that. Rivals is IMO the best nfs experience I got. The blazing fast speeds coupled with insane over the top weapons like shockwave/ shockram, emp, spike gave me the best adrenaline rush compared to any nfs game. ( nfs heat high heat races come close but it's only a very small amount of that game).

[@alan64047]

Drag, sprint, drift, circuit, races with cops, link ups, underground league and you say their are only 2 things to do 🤣🤡 I love the creativity on how people get to hate on unbound

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

@@alan64047 just go read patch notes reddit and then come post valid comments here. The events you said came 2 plus years after release and are MULTIPLAYER ONLY. PS - I LOVE HOW IGNORANT PEOPLE COME COMMENT AS IF THEY ARE THE ONES WHO KNOW EVERYTHING. Who is the 🤡 here ?

[@naimishtiakahmed9221]

​@@dr.sivavignesh664 I really love the environment in Rivals.

[@BloxWich]

Ultraviolet, your deep dive into Need For Speed's Supercar Era is a revelation! 🏎💨 It's refreshing to see someone shed light on this underrated period of the franchise. Your analysis of why these games were over-hated and what made them special really hits home. Thanks for giving this era the recognition it deserves and showing us a new perspective on these high-octane classics. Keep up the fantastic work! 🚗🔥

[@NFSBeast2365]

Amen!

[@aceofaces1506]

Ngl I much prefer this era to the modern era and it’s not even close. The gameplay was and still is better, even rivals clears all the modern games imo. These games weren’t perfect but they were a lot of fun. I miss this era of need for speed 🙁

[@idriveastationwagon1534]

maybe im just old but i just cant get into this modern era of NFS

[@myfunbox355]

Something that didn't helped this era is that the mechanics and design philosophies trace their origins to Burnout and not NFS, same with the Ghost era. The Black Box era still had the same driving physics and engine that of the classic era just upgraded each game.

[@bruhd1014]

Probabaly one of the best answers

[@tezalehall2818]

The Handling Physics of HP 2010 OG was complete trash, I loved every HP game up until that point, that physics was 100% burnout Crapterian, ppl who played tons of Burnout were in no way the same as all the old NFS Fans. 2 different fan groups.

[@myfunbox355]

@@tezalehall2818 HP 2010 had good physics, it just was the complete opposite of classic physics

[@cool3865]

the black box era had way different handling than the classic era, it went completely arcade more so than NFS2, yes the Supercar Era also had arcade like handleing but it was better, it gave us the classic era cars and tracks with the open world and scenery to blast around and have fun with cars you would never see in real life much less touch one. NFS 2010 and MW 2010 was like NFS2 are steroids, for that it was alot of fun.

[@myfunbox355]

@@cool3865 the classic and black box era both have arcade handling with the black box era being slightly heavier than classic from my perspective.

[@Speedyrabbit7795]

I actually quite like 2012, I want another game with a similar car list. It had an amazing soundtrack. And was just fun to mess around in, plenty of ways to play. But yes it had quite a few faults. Still one of my favorites games.

[@deivis1091]

Same, I love that game for the same reasons you wrote down. I got so much hate for loving that game

[@Zeg-eh5ik]

The same happened to me with Rivals

[@haaxxx9]

Played the fuck out of MW2012 and that game got me into Last Dinosaurs with the music. Zoom was fucking magical and I still listening to it till this day!

[@MerlautZone]

I don't care as much to play as a cop so I prefer Most Wanted 2012 over Hot Pursuit, and Rivals.

[@ruaan11]

The stuff I loved about 2012 was the car engine sounds when you fire up the Aston Martin V12 Vantage start up sound was dead on

[@starletsuperturbo1293]

Everything nowadays is style over substance. Pretty graphics, impressive VFX and "realism" are enough to receive shallow praises by the general public. Nothing new or innovative is being made. Sequels, Remakes and Adaptations. Media consumers and studios prefer to swim in the same rusted bucket of warm spit because it's a place they know. No surprises, everything goes as expected. And dump unnecessarily large sums of money into it, to have the best spit possible.

[@asianpower3000]

Never got the hate for the newer nfs games. I loved rivals. It's crazy to hate on a game because you cant play as a clapped out civic.

[@2021._.rav4]

I loved rivals too,but the bugs is whats bad

[@ralphlorenzperolino3054]

Rivals is the Zetsubou no Shima in NFS. It was first hated at launch but as the years pass on everyone loved playing it. Same with Zetsubou on Black Ops 3 because of it's setup process that is too tedious, plus it was too buggy.

[@Baddman3000]

PHysics , ost and artstyle is garbage

[@ralphlorenzperolino3054]

@@Baddman3000 *MASSIVE SKILL ISSUE LMAO*

[@CarlRaven91]

The Supercar era were my favourite NFS games! So much so that I own the Limited Editions for all of them. I never bought any NFS game after Rivals. Stuck with the same formula since 2015 is not my style.

[@LZCleric]

I'ma say this Both The Run and Rivals really deserve a 2nd chance, The Run was the perfect concept for a racing game aimed at action game fans but being too short and Rivals' concept of multiplayer Cops vs Robbers was really jank but was fun as hell when it worked. Someone need to retake those concepts (and a part of me seeing from how its shaping really wishes that Resistor is indeed the spiritual succesor of The Run)

[@hasangaming673]

People were mad at Rivals because of the how easily you die, or how some pursuit tech didn't work EXACTLY how they wanted it, Rivals was literally MADE so you gamble every time you decide to cash in or not. Yet people were still mad!

[@De_kaid]

@@hasangaming673 people were mad bc they just started out playing the game and a rando in a way better cop car just kept initiating pursuits, horrible game design

[@AlineaEuros]

​@@hasangaming673idk about you but i dont like playing a racing game where the overpowered player cop just smashes me across the map and i have no way of fighting back.

[@hasangaming673]

@@AlineaEuros Play offline if it's really bugging you.

[@GT-rz6xp]

The run had so much potential man. The car list, the story and the handling model is so good. The problem is that it has low replay value because of no freeroam and barely any online modes

[@t.k3579]

Another Hot Pursuit style game with over-the-top fictional bodykits like MW2005 might as well keeps people happy. If what people mainly complain about supercar-era NFS is the lack of customization, then that will do.

[@Benek918]

Somehow I feel like those people would just find another little thing to complain about. I don't think those people even know what they truly want lol

[@t.k3579]

@@Benek918 A large number of them are nostalgia-blinded people I'd say, pretty much the same batch of fanboys who keeps screaming for a MW05 remake yet if it ever becomes reality, they would still say that the original is better.

[@Benek918]

@@t.k3579 Yup, exactly that. And if it was literally exactly the same game just ported to new platforms they'd complain nothing was changed. Not to mention that cars and songs would inevitably be cut due to licensing and, oh boy, would they be up in arms. Some people just can't be pleased

[@jordanclark4635]

The problem really is the mashing of EAs two racing properties together They’re like water and oil in design philosophy, they don’t mix, and detract from each other’s core experiences

[@t.k3579]

@@jordanclark4635 Most Wanted 2005 is basically Hot Pursuit and Underground mixed together, and we all know how it went. If the devs are too afraid to experiment with anything new, we might as well gonna be stuck with another NFS Heat reskin every year.

[@glitchybomb1337]

I am not kidding when I say that Most Wanted 2012 is one of my favorite games in the series. I love Fairhaven, driving physics, criminally underrated soundtrack and police that drives as if meth is the most important ingredient in every officer's morning coffee. Multiplayer is probably the most fun I've ever had in a racing game.

[@NFSMAN50]

90s and early 2000s NFS "Classic Era" is still the greatest. I loved how NFS Hot Pursuit 2010 and Rivals brought back that classic era of NFS, the open roads, dynamic weather changes, driving sports cars, supercars, hypercars against the police, was fun! The Underground fanboys ruined it. We need a NFS Rivals 2 or a High Stakes 2, or even a Hot Pursuit 4 type of game!

[@silverwoomy0]

I may be biased towards this era since NFSMW2012 was one of my first racing games, but I'm able to justify my love for it as well. The cars are fast so you're never bored by snailing around in a stock Punto (no offense ofc, MW2005 is still very good), the graphics in all 4 of these games are absolutely fantastic and arguably better than the ones in recent NFS entries, and the map design, which you already mentioned, really perfects the experience for me. I bought NFS Heat on sale for 4 bucks and the map felt way too bland compared to something like Rivals or even MW2012. A real fall from grace in my books, only because the player base wanted something else... Edit: I forgot to mention how good the OST was in the Supercar era, definitely check it out if you're interested

[@Markzilla214]

Tuning culture has ruined racing games for me and especially Need For Speed as there is no more uniqueness with the cars. These old NFS games with no tuning upgrades or bodykits are great because it lets you become open minded and appreciate the cars in the game for what they are and perhaps even use cars that the player may not like at first but learn to appreciate its advantages and disadvantages.

[@HeroManNick132]

In fact NFS UG2 used many ricer mods which are so damn ugly. Not to mention how the worst cars were featured in at least both NFS UG1-2 and UG Rivals. Neon, Lancer ES, Sentra, H2 and the great car ruined by the ricer mods - Civic.

[@Noah2Great]

What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. How would being able to customize your car any way you want ruin the uniqueness of it? Wouldn’t only being able to change the colors of your car or nothing at all ruin the uniqueness? Customizing your car with body kits and vinyls are what makes it unique. Not just changing the color of your car. If u just want to change the color of your car in the modern nfs games then u can but why should they remove the visual parts for that?

[@Reply_notificatons_disabled]

*I smell Hot Pursuit fanboys.*

[@HeroManNick132]

@@Reply_notificatons_disabled I smell NFS UG1-2/MW 2005 fanboy.

[@jackr.t.4459]

​​@@Noah2Great I mean, it kinda makes sense because most people customize cars to "super wide, slammed to the ground with big wings, splitters and diffusers" and all cars become that general thing, which kinda muddies in a way the subtle differences in curves and body design even from supercar to supercar because they all just become widebody slammed machines, instead of retaining a very unique and different body like in HPs, despite the Zonda, Viper ACR10 and the Carrera GT fulfilling the great all around + cornering machines, they are so different in appearance, that makes them unique on their own, if you added customization to it, most people would 100% do what I said before, therefore becoming less unique, if most people are customizing a specific style, what seems like a way to make your stuff unique just becomes less with how much it is being done, Not to say some people do make different stuff, and they really shine in uniqueness for the fact of being so wildly different to what most people do, but in HP, the cars are unique because every car on the car list is so wildly different, except the repeats like the Gallardos, roadsters, etc. But even then, they also are different in driving and have cons and pros, normal Gallardo is fastest on straight line, the Balboni Gallardo is overall fastest, and the Superleggera is the most maneuverable and lightest of all, which aids it when competing to the other Gallardos, even the normal one

[@adityarane8479]

innovation and experiment : ❌ repeated mechanic and endless grinding ✅

[@ld9387]

We need to go back to this era. Tired of the obsession with customisation, which adds nothing to the gameplay experience. Hot Pursuit 2010 is still my favourite NFS. And yes I've played the Black Box era games

[@Reply_notificatons_disabled]

*I smell Hot Pursuit fanboys.*

[@0047sssss]

@@Reply_notificatons_disabled Well it's true, the bodykits in MW & Carbon didn't affect the cars aerodynamics at all

[@HeroManNick132]

@@Reply_notificatons_disabled Okay, troll.

[@TorutheRedFox]

the franchise should try to merge the two, not to appease fans, but to try and potentially do something where you have progression with cars themselves and visual customization that impacts the car like it does in prostreet there's fun to be had in both the gameplay and making your car your own, but the problem is that modern nfs can't balance the two, leaving one either lackluster or nonexistant

[@AlineaEuros]

I dont understand why cant you have both? Just have the cars and don't customize them and problem solved

[@piccoloatburgerking]

This is something i've been saying for a long time now that the racing game community is to blame for why the racing games scene is so dead and bland now. The reason everyone is chasing Forza (Even a game like TDU) is because the community wanted it. They want every racing game to have Forza's handling and open world with NFS's customization so of course every new title is basically a Forza clone including NFS itself now. And then they complain that every game is the same, like yeah goofballs you made it happen, when studios look at feedback they see you wanting those features so now take it.

[@ofnir123]

I think it's extremely ironic that TDU is chasing Forza, since the first Horizon game was absolutely made for TDU fans lol. Of course it changed with the years. I'd even say Horizon isn't as good as it was

[@GT-rz6xp]

True. There's literally no racing game right now that makes me wanna go "yeah that looks exciting, let's buy it." The only racing game that has came out in recent years that actually has a soul and feels like it was made for car enthusiasts is granturismo 7. Yes gt7 is not without it's problems like the always online bulls*it but when u ignore that and look at the extremely accurate and beautifully detailed car models, the car list, the car sounds, PSVR, the track list, the physics model and the fact that literally every single car feels different and has characteristics that align with their real life counterpart etc. u get the sense that it was made for car enthusiasts instead of 12 year old forza kids who just want the latest and greatest supercar and a supra. I love the fact that gt7 doesn't follow the trend of only featuring the latest and greatest supercars/hypercars and completely ignoring automotive icons from the early 2000s, 2010s, the 80s and the 90s like the Murcielago LP640, McLaren SLR etc.

[@FastCarsNoRules220]

Honestly I always liked the 2010-2013 era of NFS games, but then again it's mainly because I grew up playing Test Drive Unlimited 1 which had no customization besides changing the color of the car and tuning.

[@TracerX]

This is why I laugh at the "true" fans of the franchise who all want an MW remake or something that has to do with tuning meanwhile the game series itself started out as a supercar racing franchise.

[@HeroManNick132]

The ''true'' fans are not true fans at all. They are opinion bashers especially of everyone who likes different NFS different from NFS UG1-2/MW 2005. Of course not all of them are like that but talking about the true die hard ones, a.k.a. the ones who stuck with the same mindset and formula over and over again and the same who hated NFS Carbon for not being direct copy of NFS MW 2005 or perhaps not NFS UG3 which shows how pathetic are they. Their excuse is always ''I just want good NFS like NFS MW 2005'' like pls... And sadly we may no longer get any unique NFS because of this.

[@TracerX]

@@HeroManNick132 Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@mhstopmotionstudios5385]

I am a firm believer that nfs rivals has the greatest gameplay in the nfs franchise aside from maybe hp 2010 or most wanted 05. The police chases in rivals were insane, physics were fun, and the map felt alive and was absolutely beautiful. It's sad that it was so overheated. (Note: this was the first racing game I played and the second video game I played on my Xbox so I may be a little biased haha)

[@kassperplus]

Totally biased but it's just your opinion, I pretty much played them all since 1994 and I disagree. While I did spend long time playing Rivals I never touched it since 2014 and I was very happy with NFS 2015 that I still play for hundreds of hours

[@heatseeker3725]

Bruvvv, same hereeee, Rivals was my first ever racing game and I play it till this day, it's so fun, I really don't know why people value customization over gameplay, kinda stupid tbh

[@lirianca]

Yeah, rivals is one of best "supercar era" nfs. It like sequel of HP2010. Personally i dont like dark tone of rivals, but it's not bad. It's just different. I dont understand why so many people call that "reskin of HP2010" but they totally fine with "Undound" reskin of "Heat".

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

You aren't wrong. Rivals is the most chaotic nfs game ever. It's an improved version of hot pursuit but with some cons like no pause , always online , server issues, locked 30 fps. ( even on pc if you make it run at 60 the game breaks).

[@kassperplus]

@@dr.sivavignesh664 at 60 fps it's x2 speed. It was developed in like 8 months, it's a joke.

[@jessicataylor4071]

I ADORE the supercar era! I still play HP10 MW12 and rivals to this day!

[@its_gireesh]

They SHOULD NOT have called NFS 2012 Most Wanted! It was a cash grab calling it most wanted.

[@benn8793]

That's right. With the use of a familiar/ popular name comes certain expectations. Quite simply...

[@not_kjb]

Did you watch the video

[@StockCarGuy]

@@not_kjbthat’s clearly one of blackpanthaas fanbois 😂

[@ccxgamerlynx]

Tbf it was originally supposed to be a mw sequel I heard but all that got scrapped, I’m sure they just got lazy and didn’t change the title but that name being a cash grab could be true also.

[@its_gireesh]

@@ccxgamerlynx It's an ok game, it would not get this much hate if it was called something else, is what I feel. It's basically a burnout sequel.

[@GamerAlexVideos]

Really good video. I've always been a huge fan of the Hot Pursuit games, and the fact the last one we got in that style was Rivals back in 2013 is a massive shame. People have to remember the series started out not as Underground, and yes... there are fans who don't want another Underground styled game. Also, you are one of the few KZbinrs that I know who calls out the Ghost Era for not being great, which is quite refreshing.

[@ultraviolet_channel]

Thanks Alex!

[@ashar8192]

The Ghost era is only regarded as great, because of Heat. But, it speaks volumes considering how mediocre at best, barebones Heat was and, yet, is still seen as the "revival" of the NFS franchise Heck, most say Heat is better than Unbound, which I can not comprehend at all either lol

[@luckaswolf]

Ghost games tried to overcome nostalgia and failed miserably. They didn't even do the balancing of the cars right, because it was boring to play online and only have 911 turbo '89 and Huracan (drift), and Heat nor PvP has something that a racing game doesn't have, this takes away 80% of the replay factor.

[@or9118]

Rivals is one of the greatest NFS games ever, the adrenaline, the energy, the vibes is unmatched Too bad people care about changing everything in their cars but not about the actual gameplay

[@EarthyTeddy]

I'd love to see a video covering NFS Shift 1 and 2, love the style of those games

[@ultraviolet_channel]

Definitely will at some point!

[@haaxxx9]

@@ultraviolet_channel Shift is fucking insane! You go so fast that the car violently shakes at over 150 mph it's scary... It's my favorite NFS game in the 2000's!

[@aumpauskar4653]

Here is my take (ofc you are free to disagree) - NFSHP 2010 was a great game overall. - NFS the run was a 9/10 demo game. Even the quicktime events were a fun filler. The only issue? It lacked any sort of content past the main storyline. - NFSMW 2012 was a mess. It was essentially a worse burnout game. Agreed the upgrades had to be earned but you do not feel a connection to the game since all the cars are handed over to you. - NFS rivals is an underrated game with one of the most brutal police systems and "ride or die" gameplay. Even the map was beautiful AF, the only gripe? Always online and issues with the server. (for context my first NFS games was MW2005 -> carbon -> prostreet)

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

Finally someone who has the same views as me. I loved nfs mw 2012. But as a burnout game. ( because at that time there wasn't a burnout game in years ).I would have loved more destruction though. Rivals was the best adrenaline rush I had in an nfs game. There is nothing similar to it.

[@staciefreshener4032]

I will say 𝘉𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘍𝘢𝘪𝘳𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘯 ( nfs-mw) is just like typical game sequels where they mess up the game because of lack of connection with the fans that love it. Just like any game sequel of 2/3 which is completely done in wrong ways , Burnout Fairhaven/BP 2 is supposively a nice game but just gone in a bit of wrong direction. It's still the kind of game you will love if you play burnout paradise. I never knew I'd find a sequel to my favorite racing game ( The run is my fav nfs but not racing genre as whole). I don't even want to call that game by it's official name, at all costs. It's a burnout paradise 2 : Burnout Fairheaven . Just like any typical game sequels done in a way that makes it like " oh yeah the old version was better " but you'll still kind of like it once because it's still the franchise you love.

[@ileutur6863]

I wouldn't mind a burnout style NFS at all. The problem is that its a complete empty shell that can be completed in 2 hours. What made Burnout good was having a ton of things to do, in NFS 2012 you can literally just race or enter chases, there's zero substance to any of it.

[@samueljones3668]

​@@ileutur6863 Multiplayer..... it appears to me that none of you had friends when MW2012 dropped.

[@ileutur6863]

@@samueljones3668 Racing games aren't as popular as developers would like to think. All of my friends were, and still are, playing League, CS and other multiplayer slop.

[@Fosten12]

HP2010 was a phenomenal game and the only game they absolutely nailed brake to drift. I dont like break to drift but in this game, it was well implemented and fun.

[@AdrielBGaming]

As someone who grew up with the tuner era of NFS, I have began to appreciate what the series started out as, supercars racing in scenic locations. I enjoyed playing HPR & Rivals, which were super fun games.

[@SultanNizi3000GT]

I loved the supercar era when it was new, never regretted since.

[@HyperVanilo]

The game's title says it all, Need for Speed, not Need for Wang Side Skirt Bumper Flamethrower. People says super cars with weapon is unrealistic but how about NFS World's power ups?

[@3xtan327]

Tbf people also hated Nfs world’s powerups as well

[@foxes4609]

Finally someone not blinded by nostalgia stares at blackpants

[@paleolad]

NFS MW 2012 had extremely well designed cutscenes before racing or to introduce the Most Wanted cars. This is what I remember most about this game, the designs around events in general were really well thought out. It's far from being the best NFS of course, but it's even further from being a bad game.

[@Starfire_Storm]

In my personal opinion, the Supercar Era of NFS as you call it, is the best one in NFS. Hot Pursuit, The Run, Most Wanted and Rivals are all exceptional games that received far too much unjustified hate for not being the exact same as before, even if every single on of those games is a million times better than games like Undercover and Underground 1. I remember how in the early 2010's, people were crying and moaning about NFS needing to go back to its roots, because apparently the roots of NFS is Underground. The original games were fast cars going fast as their very basic principle, the 4 games of the Supercar Era are fast cars going fast and more. They're the perfect embodiment of what the original NFS games wanted to be. But now, because all of the crying from people, that are basically manchildren, that just can't take their rose tinted glasses off and admit that Underground 2 and Most Wanted 2005 are deeply flawed games despite how good they may be, we get to have the weakest era of NFS, even if I do think the newer games do some things pretty good. We do not need NFS to become Forza Horizon. Forza Horizon is already the best at doing Forza Horizon despite how some would prefer the earlier Horizon titles and some the newer ones. The Crew has tried for 11 years to be Forza Horizon and it has never quite got there, even if I do enjoy Motorfest quite a lot. Test Drive Solar Crown is already being tried to be sold by media as the Forza Horizon killer, but I can already tell you it won't reach that level, even if it may be a good game. NFS needs to change once again. Perhaps the games can be in rotation, one is a Supercar type game, the next one is a Tuner type game and so on and so forth. I don't know, but they need to be their own thing. Trying to chase Forza Horizon and Most Wanted 2005 will not work at all. They should stop listening the loud people that cry every time because the game isn't a carbon copy of UG2 or MW'05, for no matter what they do, they will never be satisfied. Even if a perfect remaster is done, they'll find a way to bitch about it. They should make a good racing game, one that we don't have nowadays.

[@zodiac909]

A joy to see you uploading so often!

[@ericdcrs]

One thing that killed the series for me is not about the cars, it's about having to CONNECT EVERY DAMN TIME to the internet. I am working on ships, so you can guess that 90% of the time, whenever I'm onboard, I couldn't even have access to it's offline/single player content. Yo' mans just wanna customize and drive around offline I have purchased ever single one of these games on steam, and only Hot Pursuit Remastered is playable atleast offline. 💀 I don't care whatever cars EA wants to put in their games, for me, the more the merrier. But the damn fucking always-online "feature" is a bummer. I grew up with the Blackbox era. Played almost all of it growing up. And only got the chance to play Need for Speed II on a friends Windows 98 PC. That was amazing.

[@fatihyucel6534]

NFS Prostreet was over hated too by its launch but pple start to recognize it I LOVE prostreet so much it’s even my favorite game of the series idc about the cop chases the vibes trough the festival and cars are everything to me ❤ also you got yourself a new sub man Great job 👏

[@TheMeanBean8787]

HP2010 is the game that got me into racing games for the first time, I still remember playing it in 2nd grade on my Xbox 360 (in 2016 cuz I was late to the party lol). A year later or so I got Rivals, and then sometimes later I got my Xbox one (which I still have today) with FM7, The Crew, and NFS Payback, and I've been a fan of racing games ever since. Sometimes I feel that since I grew up with a NFS game that lacked customization, it's part of the reason why I'm able to respect cars just how they are, and I'm really not bothered if a racing game doesn't have 'good' customization. It's so weird that NFS these days is desperately trying to "redeem" itself to the people who hated the supercar era games, while in doing so the game quality and overall innovation just keeps going lower and lower. I know I'm almost definitely biased saying this, but it would really be nice to see a new iteration of the hot pursuit/supercar style NFS games, it would be a great refresher and a way to break the chain of copy-paste NFS games. In a better world, perhaps we would have some sort of cycle of NFS styles, where, instead of NFS trying to be everything at once, the different styles would branch out and truly explore and innovate into their own ways, somewhat like how FH and FM used to alternate yearly. As cool of an idea that would be, it's (near) certain to never happen due to the current state of the AAA 100% ensh!tification guarantee. But it's still cool to think about such possibilities.

[@sirwalkboy]

as someone who loves modern nfs and its customization, i recently played rivals when it went on sale. it was VERY fun, literally just an edgier, faster, and overall better version of hot pursuit. if customization is a necessary sacrifice for me to get more games like rivals, then i’ll gladly pay the price.

[@mansonfd7835]

Considering most of the die hard NFS fans were originated from Most Wanted, Underground, Pro Street, and any 2000s tuning culture, it's no surprise that they overlooked what NFS were originated from.

[@WTFHAX93]

NFS's latest years have really cemented my opinion of the franchise as the clout chaser of racing games. It doesn't have its own identity anymore. It used to be just a way for you to drive some high-end cars you would not be able to drive otherwise. That's why I always had a soft spot for HP2010, because it went back to the *real* roots of the series (despite how hard some Underground/MW/Carbon fanboys want you to think these games are the actual roots, which they aren't - never were, never will be). And even though I don't like vehicular combat (or powerups in racing games in general, sorry Blur and other Mario Kart type games), I still had a blast playing it in multiplayer with a few friends. Nowadays, I just couldn't care less about any new NFS game.

[@KemonoGamer75]

See? I kept telling them that NFS originally is about sport cars and exotic locations and of course exciting police chase. Lamborghini police car :V

[@diablow1411]

I absolutely LOVED that era, and still do! In fact, I'm not a fan of the tuner culture and I did express it once publicly, that made a lot of fans angry. NFS was meant to be a supercar game, with wild tracks and physics to have fun with.

[@2021._.rav4]

@@diablow1411 im into both supercars and tuners and i agree

[@Reply_notificatons_disabled]

*I smell Hot Pursuit fanboys.*

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

I'm more into supercars than to tuning, so I would rather race on a Porsche 911 Turbo S than on a tuned car.

[@HeroManNick132]

@@Reply_notificatons_disabled 🤡

[@Theferrariguy]

Most new NFS games are overhated imo. The run was a masterpiece. MW 2012 was unfortunate with it's name and HP2012 was a blast

[@blaskotamas570]

So the problem is the community behavior, not the games. I prefer Rivals, The Run over MW2005

[@blaskotamas570]

@@NoName-gv6pi for you yes, it can be better. But for me is just F&F fan boi dream, repetitive gameplay. Of course I enjoy the game, but I choose the first two, over MW2005

[@HeroManNick132]

@@alexmaccain2362 Cope 2005 fanboy, it's laughable that you wank at BB so much.

[@kornweed]

my problem with these games was the fact that all of them were Burnout wannabes, and created by the same people who made the Burnout games, the reason this era doesn't stick well with many people is because they play Need For Speed for Need For Speed, not Burnout with super/hypercar licensed vehicles if I wanted to play Burnout with supercars then I would've played Burnout, not need for speed trying to have an identity crisis, ever since 2010

[@luckaswolf]

The others also had a "Burnout" formula. Or have you never hit a civilian in Underground and gone flying?

[@kornweed]

@@luckaswolf hitting other cars is fun in Burnout, it's not so much the same case for Need For Speed, at least to me in my case 😅 and I come to Need For Speed for the sheer speed, not to hit stuff and crash, it ruins the pacing in the NFS games

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

Maybe because they were developed by none other than Criterion Games. And even then, these games were good.

[@kornweed]

@@O530CarrisPT_C2 that's what I just said, and they aren't bad but they aren't need for speed either

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

@@kornweed Underground 2 and MW 2K5 also had very Burnout-ish stuff.

[@garthhancock3373]

That NFS2 intro man. That is how you do a damn game intro. I still play that game from time to time still to this day.

[@tescoshortage]

I DON’T WANT A “META” I WANT FERRAR F40 AND PORCHE TYRBO……,,,, Jokes aside, all I want is a simple arcade racer from EA. Closed circuits, exhilarating handling (sort of like Grid but less slide-y), the hottest, fastest cars and the cops right on your tail. Like Hot Pursuit without Brake To Drift or like if EA made Wangan Midnight: Maximum Tune.

[@tescoshortage]

Hell, I even made a car list for one. Sports Series: Hot hatches, luxury sedans and entry level sports cars. Top Speed: 250-270km/h Mazda6 Carbon Edition Hyundai Elantra N Porsche 718 Cayman Porsche 718 Boxster T Subaru BRZ Toyota GR86 Lotus Evora (naturally aspirated) Lotus Elise Supercharged (3rd gen) Volkswagen Golf R (Mk7) Nissan Z Genesis G70 3.3TT Mercedes-Benz 500E (W124) BMW 750i (G11) Audi A8 4.2 (D3) Honda Civic Type R (FL5) Toyota GR Corolla Toyota GR Supra ɛ̃fini RX-7 Type R Nissan Skyline GT-R M-Spec Nür (BNR34) Toyota Soarer 4.0GT-L (Series 1) Kia EV6 GT Lexus IS500 F-Sport Performance Cadillac CT5-V Honda S2000 (AP1) Mazdaspeed RX-8 Ford PI Utility 3.0TT (Police only) Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE (Racer only) Performance Series: Grand touring cars, muscle cars and vintage supercars. Top Speed: 280-310km/h Lexus LC500 BMW M4 Competition (G82) Chevrolet Camaro SS (2016) Lotus Emira (V6) Ford Mustang Dark Horse Audi RS5 Sportback Jaguar F-Type R75 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG (W205) Dodge Challenger Scat Pack Porsche 911 Carrera S (992.2) Tesla Model S Long Range Aston Martin Vantage Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0 Ferrari 360 Modena Polestar 5 Aston Martin DB9 Honda NSX Type R (NA1) Nissan GT-R (CBA-R35) Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 (C8) Porsche Cayman GT4 RS Super Series: Modern supercars and high-end muscle cars. Top Speed: 320-340km/h Chevrolet Corvette E-Ray Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Ferrari 296GTS Aston Martin DBS Superleggera Porsche 911 Turbo S (992.2) Porsche 911 GT3 Touring (992.1) BMW M8 Gran Coupe Competition Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing Lamborghini Huracan STO Audi R8 GT (2nd Gen) Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S Polestar 1 Tesla Model S Plaid Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Jailbreak Ford-Multimatic Mustang GTD McLaren Artura McLaren 600LT Acura NSX Type S Maserati GranTurismo Trofeo Maserati Quattroporte Trofeo Maserati Ghibli 334 Ultima Exotic Series: High end supercars and purpose-built track cars. Top Speed: 350-380km/h McLaren 750S Ferrari F8 Tributo Ferrari Daytona SP3 Lamborghini Aventador Ultimae Ford-Multimatic Ford GT Mercedes-AMG One Gordon Murray T.33 Gordon Murray T.50 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C7) Porsche 918 Spyder Ferrari LaFerrari McLaren P1 Lamborghini Reveulto Ferrari SF90 Stradale RUF CTR3 Evo Saleen S7 Hyper Series: The fastest hypercars on the planet. Top Speeds: 390-480km/h Bugatti W16 Mistral Bugatti Tourbillon Koenigsegg Jesko Absolut Czinger 21C SSC Tuatara Aspark Owl Hennessey Venom F5 Aston Martin Valkryie McLaren Speedtail Rimac Nevera Chevrolet Corvette Zora

[@benn8793]

I hate "meta". It feels like everything in racing games is all about "meta".

[@dyaanahmad5079]

​@@tescoshortage good luck licensing all of that.

[@pouyarusian-wl4sn]

what's meta?

[@dyaanahmad5079]

​@@pouyarusian-wl4snalternative beta

[@succulenttrash3343]

This video really sums up my personal issues with the NFS community. These games got so overhated for not being NFS MW 2005 basically. The sense of speed and graphics and car sounds of HP 2010 and the remaster are phenomenal. It's one of the few games that I've 100% completed. And the weapons give Hot Pursuit that extra kick to make the Cop Chases more entertaining and terrifying. Most Wanted 2012 had some of the most fun events and one of the most fun open world maps ever, but people don't like it because it has the name Most Wanted attached to it. At a certain point these complaints from NFS "Fans" have gotten so convoluted that they end up going back on themselves and it actively stops companies from doing something new. They hated the graffiti effects for being too cartoony yet a lot of people enjoyed NFS Nitro for its cartoony boxy style. They hated any references of LGBT people or politics in Unbound and Heat that built the background characters of the city and progressed the story and complained about wanting an escape from reality and yet the weapons of HP 2010 were too much for them. The music of NFS Heat and Unbound has been criticized even though they're purposefully crafted to fit the theme of the game and theme of the location just like the grunge metal and rap music of MW 2005 and the electronica of NFS Carbon. NFS has rarely ever strayed far from its formula (besides NFS Shift which was also fun but I digress) and yet somehow people still find a way to hate on anything outside of the black box or classic eras. It's genuinely disappointing.

[@Canvas12]

This is funny to me because reading your comment also sums up my issues with the NFS community. I mean literally everything you’re saying is true. The fans go back and forth here way too much it’s honestly insane. MW2012 is a pretty fun racing game but fans hated it just cause of the name. People complained about the stories from Heat and Unbound and want an escape from reality but draw the line at weapons from both HP2010 and Rivals. People complained about the cartoon effects from Unbound yet they gave Nitro a pass. And the music from Heat and Unbound was definitely overhated for no reason at all. It was just curated to match the themes that they were going for at the time just like you said. And me personally I never really cared for the music anyways. I might not like them but it definitely didn’t “ruin” the game for me like most people whined about. I just turned the music off, got over it, and went on with my day. But yeah it’s just insane how these fans are today.

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@Canvas12 its such a bad look cuz in a world where every game is unapologetically trying to be the nest Forza Horizon, NFS Unbound came out like a breath of fresh air, doing a promo collab with an artist, the graffiti effects, cel-shaded characters, and it was written off immediately as unrealistic as if NFS has ever been realistic

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@alexmaccain2362 Xbox 360 version of what. Because guarantee i do

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@alexmaccain2362 who said i hated it? Thats another problem, y'all cant read. Cuz in none of those sentences did i say any of these Nfs games were bad. You're all hypocritical and you're all literally stupid as hell. Barking up the wrong fucking tree at me cuz i dont care

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@alexmaccain2362 just sayin a bunch of nonsense that had absolutely nothing to do with what i said at all. If you want a place to vent about your favorite game talk to a damn therapist

[@TheVelionaEberbachXXX]

If MW12 wasn't a victim of development hell and wasn't rushed, it would be a good game. But too bad it was rushed, since not everyone knows it's complex development history. I swear like they only watch BlackPanthaa and get mad at you for liking MW12.

[@SultanNizi3000GT]

Exactly! MW2012 was enjoyable alright

[@adityachaudhary6782]

As someone who grew up on Hot Pursuit 2, The MW05 era and then playing the hell out of HP2010 and MW2012... this video is EXACTLY how I feel. Need for Speed is supposed to mean blasting off in the slickest of supercars. The supercar posters from childhood with the plate ND4SPD evoked that emotion. Not shitting on customizing tuners but it's getting repetitive. The HP and Rivals Weaponry is something i had the most fun with, and makes the games not just races from point A to point B. NFS as a franchise should definitely go different directions

[@boy-who-likes-bats]

prostreet/shift was so good and nobody gives it a home 😢

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

I think the next NfS should rather be a Shift 3 than an Underground 3. Shift 3 would have more circuits - such as Portimão/Estoril, COTA, Interlagos, maybe even Le Mans 24 Heures or Mount Panorama.

[@HeroManNick132]

Funny that NFS Shift for PSP was basically Pro Street 2.

[@prodigy84bg]

For me, the Classic Era is the actual Golden Era and the Supercar Era is a close second. The Blackbox Era had a few truly great games in Hot Pursuit 2, Most Wanted, and The Run, although the first one is based on the Classic Era, while the last one fits into the Supercar Era. The Modern Era has been so bad, that I've lost interest in the series.

[@AbrahamBIM]

Need for speed IS SUPERCAR, some people dont get that the Import tunner era was until the 7th entry on the series

[@curtisclement1829]

I think it all boils down to a case of mistaken identity. People identify NFS with tuner culture and games like 2015 and Underground. But NFS from it's start wasn't about that. It started as a supercar racing franchise, then tried to return to that after Black Box. And the fans NFS made from the Black Box era weren't happy with that.

[@MobDKGr]

That's entirely true. These peoples which identify the Tuner Culture as a root for NFS games are totally misleaded. NFS titles started with Sports Cars and Supercars. Also, the main reason why the Black Box era is born is due to the success of NFS Hot Pursuit 2 PS2 which has a Cop VS Racer theme. That also explains why NFS Hot Pursuit 2010/Remastered are very successful too. Which means without NFS Hot Pursuit 2's success, none of the NFS from 2003 to 2008 as well as NFS titles w/ customization would've been born to begin with. In fact, NFS High Stakes which is the 1st NFS with customization started it all. Then, NFS Porsche Unleashed did the same and NFS Underground 1 improved on it. So, that also means without the Classic Era, NFS games with customization wouldn't exist too.

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

Early NFS had always been a supercar game, especially when it involves Porsche cars.

[@MobDKGr]

@@O530CarrisPT_C2 That's totally right. Apart from the Underground duology and Motor City Online, Every NFS titles includes Supercars. Plus, 22 NFS covers have European cars, 8 are Japanese vehicles and 4 are from america. Which means Europe is more prioritary than other countries in the NFS franchise.

[@ConfiUser3]

As a first: I can see why they needed to shift their focus to supercars and hypercars, as the focus of the tuning scene was already diminishing since Most Wanted 2005. They added Supercars and Hypercars in there as well, and in order to give the tuning more depth, they introduced autosculpt in Carbon, which was a good addition. Plus, the supercars era was a direction back to the roots to the oldest games in the series. I wouldn't say this in itself is controversial... it's the games, in particular one single game, that brought them into the downward spiral. Hot Pursuit: It was an okay game. I wouldn't say it's a gem, I wouldn't say it's outstanding, but it certainly had its charm. I'm not too much of a fan of the Burnout drifting for real cars, but I can see past that. It also had lots of Supercars in it, just like Hot Pursuit 2 had. It's a legitimate continuation of Hot Pursuit. The Run: Haven't played it too much, it was one of the first NFS which I skipped, but I'm interested to play it. The story honestly looks interesting. Most Wanted 2012: Hot Pursuit, but worse in every way. It had nothing to do with the old Most Wanted except the Blacklist. Again, I can tolerate the drift model of the cars, but having literally no story, very little normal cars, no real progression system, searching for cars in the city instead of deserving the right to use them/buy them... Yeah, you can risk things, no problem. You're allowed to take risks. But in my opinion, EA/Criterion failed with each risk they took. If they would have called it anything else than Most Wanted, it could get more fans behind, but when you're competing against one of the most loved NFS parts, if you make a legitimate successor, then don't release such a hot mess where only the name reminds of the predecessor. And then the scenes where the police cars stack behind each other and build a giant wheel... No thanks. Dear devs, I don't know what you smoked, but don't smoke it anymore. Rivals: Another "Meh" game. It's not a bad game at all, but it's not good. IMHO, Most Wanted 2012 is one of the reasons why NFS is dying a slow death. That game was so fucked and such a disappointment, NFS would have needed to have absolute bangers afterwards to redeem themselves. However, not a single game was a banger. The last ones were probably Hot Pursuit and Shift. They really try to freshen up things with every game, and still they fail. The series has been on life support for 10 years, and it's not improving. As for my part... I'm not surprised in the slightest.

[@daarryal]

New UltraViolet video. Today is a good day.

[@LucyDoherty-s3z]

as an owner of ps3 copies for nfs mw 2012 and hp 2010... and has played hp2 2002 these games are some of the best looking ps3 games

[@espenbrathen7156]

Hot pursuit 2010 is my favourite nfs game. That might be because i don't care about customization. Just let me choose my car's colour and I'm good. I understand that a lot of people like to create their personal cars, but it's still one of the least important features of a racing game IMO

[@Normalaatsra]

The only credit I can give to this era of NFS is that it helped me appreciate the way cars look in factory form now. Nowadays I hardly ever dress up my car with aero, decals, or even replace some dreadfully ugly factory wheels in games. I got nothing against tuner cars, I loved them in both past and present forms. I just like how cars look and the way they drive.

[@KuroAno]

In this supercar era, I only played Most Wanted. And I liked it because I hadn't played Most Wanted 2005 so I didn't have any preconceptions about the game and what I saw was a Burnout game in a more grounded setting (with the weird stuff happening in pursuit event intros), which makes sense because Criterion made both the Burnout series and Most Wanted 2012.

[@abuabdullah8024]

I agree with everything you said, but Most Wanted is an iconic name, and you can't just bait fans like this, which is what EA did with that game. I'm right; gameplay and multiiplyerwise, the game was ahead of its time, but using an iconic name instead of creating a new IP just seemed like a cheap way to sell the game. Sadly, it's a very EA thing to do. They did this with Battlefield Hardline, which was a great game, but they should have sold it as a separate IP, not with the battlefield name. BF games such as Millinery Shooters and Hardline were cops v robbers. Honestly, the game was innovative in game modes, and I very much enjoyed the beta, but I knew the game would die fast because no one asked for this. NFS started with supercars; the identity that the consumers see, especially its big fanbase, is "underground car culture with the cringy and semi-serious story," where customization and police play essential roles and competitive multiplayer. From the supercar era, HP and RIVALS were fun, but MW2012 failed because it tried to do something different with a name already taken. I enjoyed the video; how is your voice so great for narrative?

[@Predatorace]

And here I am still enjoying the classics. I'll take Need For Speed High Stakes any day over all the other ones.

[@CL9Mat]

Man I remember absolutely loving rivals when I got it years back. It was peak.

[@retrocar7761]

I would except Most Wanted 2012 more if it was called something else, instead of digging up an old name to grab at nostalgia.

[@TheVelionaEberbachXXX]

One simple research would tell you that it was gonna be sequel to MW05 but development happened. BlackPanthaa fans are insane.

[@Maarcis12]

Another great video, man, i enjoyed it, you make me feel vindicated to just go with a flow back in a day because when even before HP 2010 was released, the fanbase was about to split into two camps and go backwards, because unfortunately for many people "going back to the roots" was too drastic of a change and this thinking that tuner car customization as a must for NFS game was what made me move away from community, i personally enjoyed HP2010, MW 2012 and Rivals, heck i even spent hours playing Shift spin off subset, because i was so disappointed with the failure of Undercover and HP 2010 felt like a fresh air to the series after years of Blackbox era games. Keep up the good work, man.

[@KemonoGamer75]

This is the true original NFS.... now NFS became Fast and Furious :/ I just wish EA gave Underground a different game title rather than using NFS. But oh well.

[@HeroManNick132]

Well, that's what happens when fame takes over.

[@weonvirtual]

"but the fans of the franchise have made it clear, the superficial changes mean more than innovation" DAAMN

[@josemonsaji]

Underrated? Yes. The problem i found with these games myself is that they become tiring very fast. Not that the modern games are not like that (except maybe heat and payback). MW'12 biggest mistake was indeed its name. It was a fun game. I personally like that better than the rest of nfs of this era. And lacking customisation was not a big deal for me. But it felt weird to drive a random car parked on the side of the road, in a parking lot (parking lots should return). And also getting a random paint job, we shouldve had the freedom to choose the colour. Rivals, got game but got boring really really really fast. F&f style vehicular weapons are not my thing. I only used those while i was a cop. The Run i havent played it long enough to make an opinion. I dont even have it. I played on my friends pc. Hot pursuit, i haven't played it at all. At the moment, i would say unbound is getting good with updates like drag and drift. And next update is hp inspired..so looking forward to it.

[@Starfire_Storm]

Funny, because I have the very same opinion of the games getting tiring really fast with the Black Box games, but enjoy every single second I play Hot Pursuit, The Run Most Wanted 2012 and Rivals

[@randomstormtrooper3345]

@@Starfire_Storm I agree. It's so rare to see anyone talk about how repetitve MW is, where every task is the same as the previous but longer, and the grimy aesthetic just reinforces the feeling because it makes every street look the same

[@thegamingcephalos9412]

I have no idea why alot of people fight over what NFS should be. I never played the 80's or 90's nfs but currently play TDU2 so I know having exotics without any visuals feels amazing but at the same time, I was fixated on WRC as a kid. A race where you see these ordinary looking cars, some had modified bodykits, plastered with decals and sponsorships. When I had the opportunity to torture my PC that had no GPU (I think it only had like 80 or 200mb of VRAM) to run the first UG and MW 2005, I instantly went and placed all kinds of decals and sponsorships onto it like I was part of some illegal betting group. It was fun, although I always see dark lines covering the car due to how my graphics card is non existent. NFS for me isn't just the tuners nor the exotics nor the police, it's just a game that you enjoy because you like it. In fact, I'm jealous most of the people here can run modern NFS because my laptops certainly can't. I can run UG2 and MW 05 now along with HP 2010 but I wanted to experience sticking some fancy sponsorship decals and cool racing liveries onto any BMW or lexus and call it my "GTE cars". I never had that opportunity and I would trade my damn soul if I could have a laptop that could upgrade itself to have the most modern specs imaginable so that I can just run newer racing titles. I might not be considered a true fan of the NFS series because I don't have a side to choose but, NFS was my childhood, along with some other games like Colin Mcrae Rally, some obscure dakar rally game that I played on my mom's keypad nokia (forgot the name), and possibly more. So yeah, even if the franchise gets stale, I'll still love it because it gave me a good past even if I won't have the power to play it. Tbh, I never watched the vid because I can feel that he'll rant about how old nfs is good and why new nfs is bad or it's sticking to different things that made it harder to progress. I'll still give it a view later but for now, I wanted to calm down but I'll still leave a like because I ain't an asshole and I know you poured hours into this.

[@HeroManNick132]

The NFS came in 1994. There is no 80s NFS.

[@thegamingcephalos9412]

@@HeroManNick132 ah, I see. Sorry man. I never researched about the game's year it was released so I just made a rough estimate. I mean no harm about it because I do appreciate old games even if they're older than me.

[@arsheendas4076]

Even though my first NFS games were NFS-HP2 (2002) and MW 2005, I was a diehard fan of supercar era and the reason why I loved it so much because it was very simplistic compared to other eras. There was not so much to grind in the games which saved time and the ultimate and last thing that matters in racing games is 'Speed' which the supercars served the very purpose. Customisation doesnt change things, they are just for personal taste and only appeal to stand out among the crowd. Other reasons for liking the supercar era were realistic graphics, smooth handling and physics, vast open maps and broad roads, compeititive Ai cops and racers and lastly OST(I even listen to MW '12 and Rivals ost during leisure time).

[@ofnir123]

I grew up during the golden era, and these games definitely have a special place in my heart, but my all time favorite will always be The Run. I'll never say it's objectively the best, it's just the one that speaks to me the most. Also the challenge series in that game were AMAZING.

[@hueitor1748]

Tbh this was the era that i enjoyed NFS the most, from the cinematic hot pursuit, to the fun MW12 and the chaos of Rivals. This was also when i got my first xbox and found my friends that have been with me for 10 years now.

[@featherpheasant3851]

Say what you want about Most Wanted 2012. That game was my childhood and I have to listen to people thrashing it almost a lot of the time when it gets brought up. If I were to thrash Most Wanted 05 I bet there would be tons of controversial and trash talking about how good it is. Which is why I’ve never played Most Wanted 05, if you don’t give my game a chance then I’m not giving your game a chance either

[@Marko137-em8nx]

Mostwanted 05 basically made the trash 2012 one.

[@ashar8192]

@@Marko137-em8nx the 2012 one was a reimagination of the title and it was made pretty clear during marketing that it is Criterions own take on Most Wanted and not a sequel to MW05

[@Marko137-em8nx]

@@ashar8192 burnout fairheaven

[@ashar8192]

@@alexmaccain2362 lol what ?

[@ashar8192]

@@alexmaccain2362 you didn't understand what I wrote and neither you have the intention to understand it lmao

[@Ghostbody]

My biggest issue with the second most wanted was that things just felt a little off in aesthetic. Car list? Great, wish I could just choose them at times then having to find them again in the environment but I can live with that. The entrances for some races were some of the most creative in the series history. That and controller support was weird on PC. But otherwise, it was great and I mostly enjoyed this era of NFS.

[@RetroRangerReviews88]

Interesting video, very much enjoyed it. Do you think the aesthetic risk they took on Unbound was a key change in the wrong area, and the core game still felt stubbornly familiar?

[@ultraviolet_channel]

I think it was a bold move, and I surprisingly enjoy quite a lot of the changes in art style. Where it went wrong for me is that they weren't brave enough, and only limited this crazy new style to characters and animations, so it felt more like a missed opportunity to me!

[@xhiragmedia]

@@ultraviolet_channel This is a very similar situation to the newer BMW G8X , when people first got a look at them, the hate was unavoidable, but once they got to drive it/ see it in person, they all loved it to bits.

[@alrecks619]

growing up i thought The Run was the most impressive NFS games ever given that it was also developed by BlackBox. Maybe that assessment aged well over time.

[@theoneguywiththeyoutubecha204]

If social medias weren't so full of children, we'd have good games.

[@RydellAggin12]

If company didn’t listen to Social Medias, we would have interesting takes on games.

[@naimishtiakahmed9221]

Finally some light on this era. Hot Pursuit 2010 is my favourite NFS game of all time. The weapons make absolutely no sense in real life & I love it. Every single car feels like the Batmobile. NFS was never realistic. This is not meant to hate on the Blackbox era but those games were just grounded but not realistic. And Carbon is the only game in whole franchise that comes close to accurately portraying the street racing underground.

[@AlexanderLindo-je5oz]

So people really don't remember that need for speed was more about driving high end exotics and being chased by cops rather than tuning and beefing up your ride🤣 so called fans my ass

[@Edalontzia]

naming current era "ghost era" is melting my heart

[@vtec5862]

Hot Pursuit 2 is still my favourite NFS. I just bought a new mint condition disc after my old one broke this week. Heres to many more years of this game

[@ralphlorenzperolino3054]

I'm biased about NFS going into the Cops vs. Racers mode in the game, but Rivals in general is underrated and it deserves more love despite the fucking bugs. It's the Zetsubou no Shima of NFS, hated at launch but remained one of the most intense NFS games that millions of people love playing. Hot Pursuit was the greatest modern NFS game in the supercar era, but god damn. The police chases in Rivals are so chaotic and it's an all out war for cops and racers. One wrong move and your speedpoints will be gone for good and you have to farm them again. Which is why the RCPD dethroned Rockport's cops in terms of AI difficulty. Big applause to that. For BO3 gamers, remember Zetsubou? It had a long tedious setup process in which you have to turn on 3 power generators, activate PaP, completing the trials, getting the Skull of Nan Sapwe, building and upgrading the KT-4, planting seeds, build the gas mask, etc and then you can carry on with the Easter Egg? Zetsubou had that. And Rivals was released before Zetsubou, so they are definitely the same. Rivals' game progression is similar to Zetsubou but it doesn't confuse you and the speedlists are fine, but the game's setup process was too long. After completing one of the speedlists, you unlocked a new car and do the same process again until you get to the game's ending.

[@Coolmeham]

end of the day, most nfs fans are indeed from the black box era REGARDLESS of if it was a supercar focused game prior to. Thats what brought in the most money and when fans of that style of game receive a game that doesn't fit in with that formula, its a hit or miss. It would be no different than MK or SF turning from a 2d fighting game into a 3d arena. It would be NICE to see, but it wouldnt be exactly a warm welcome to everybody off the fact its going off the most popular formula it had, if it isnt broke dont fix it

[@sofwanlutfy4050]

I remember a certain KZbinr calls Most Wanted 2012 bad with the fact that you start with Porsche Cayman and not a "sh*tbox". He didn't know that the first car you get in the first Need For Speed is Toyota Supra, pretty much the equivalent of Cayman in the 90s lool

[@ralphlorenzperolino3054]

Well fuck that shit, that's Blackpanthaa you're talking about.

[@HeroManNick132]

Toyota Supra is the most overrated car in the entire existance, especially the MK4 one.

[@sofwanlutfy4050]

​​​@@HeroManNick132Agree. It's a sportscar that is more of a GT. It definitely doesn't compare to BMW M3 of the time and certainly way behind Honda NSX in terms of performance. The car also don't really look that eye catching tbh, same goes for its closest rival, Skyline GTR R34. NSX IMO is truly the Japanese sportscar powerhouse, it doesn't really have any rival in its home country. Mk V Supra is overhated IMO. It's pretty much the best bang for the buck sportscar right now, it's faster than Z even in Nismo trim (lol) and it's cheaper than M2 and Cayman GTS, though it's obviously slower than them. I'd argue only Chevrolet Camaro is better than Supra as a daily drivable coupe sportscar, but GM already killed it.

[@HeroManNick132]

@@sofwanlutfy4050 Well said.

[@Bmontepeque11]

Absolutely, Need for Speed was so good in this era, I played Most Wanted on the Vita and I love it to this day, sure I am more of a Forza Horizon fan because I like realism in car handling, but Most Wanted is so much fun. I would even say it was as vital as Forza Motorsport 4 and Horizon 1 in making me a Petrol Head. Such a shame that people complain about anything. (And yes, I did play Hot Pursuit 2 (2002, this was my first NFS game), Most Wanted and both Undergrounds when I was a child.)

[@fx3channel356]

At this point I think it would be perhaps an idea if Need for Speed could branch out into different sub games (like how Mega Man did with X, Zero, Legends, Battle Network etc) instead of trying to use a single game to appease a very diverse and opinionated player base. I'm one of those who want the series to really return to it's roots with games as Need for Speed 2, 3 and 4 as inspiration instead of being about tuner street culture. But then there's people who really love that so maybe we could have a Need for Speed "classic" series that'd be all super cars and scenic vistas and then there would be a "Underground" one with more JDM cars and a focus on car upgrades, body kits and rims and stories about street culture.

[@wydua2049]

i think that both golden and supercar eras are amazing i like them both although blackbox will be always on top for me (including the run mmmm)

[@horvathr95]

Tbh, the reason I didnt particularly like this era, is because of the atrocious brake to drift handling. It might suit jdm cars, but supercars? The only man who would drift with supercars is Chris Harris. It just didnt fit with the cars. Its sad because otherwise the map, the soundtrack, the graphics, everything was spot on. As for the customization in the supercar culture, its more and more common nowadays. Novitech, Renntech, TechArt, Mansory, Hamann just to name a few

[@starletsuperturbo1293]

brake to drift doesn't fit supercars? I guess you don't enjoy Burnout and "modern" Ridge Racer

[@heatseeker3725]

Well I just had my fun with the games so 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@horvathr95]

@@heatseeker3725 Well, it was just my opinion 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

[@heatseeker3725]

@@horvathr95 that's cool man, not trying to shoot down your thoughts or anything

[@ashar8192]

Long highways are the perfect fit for B2D and, unpopular opinion, fit better than grip in this case

[@HmNope]

The supercar era is okay. I dont feel like nfs plus they are very thin

[@HeroManNick132]

You must be someone who started from NFS UG1 to think about this and forget the true origins of NFS.

[@WAGAKO19]

Now that i think about it. Driveclub will always and forever be a supercar era game

[@SavageW4A]

...they started out with supercars, this video makes no sense. The only feelings hurt here were the kids not old enough to play the originals ...which all had supercars and minimal customization.

[@otiks55]

Split the franchise: Need for Speed, Need for Street or something, Make it Super clear, Profit! I personally much prefer the supercar era, these games are simply more excitng and fun.

[@MerlautZone]

The Run is my favorite of the supercar era, and unfortunately the only one that underperformed.

[@team_lucky13]

Hot Pursuit 2010 (and the remaster) is definitely in my top 3 best Need For Speeds of all time, and I hate when people try to label NFS as ONE thing.. When it's been soooo many different things in different eras over the years. All of which were good in their own right. It's just the blinding of nostalgia that keep people hating on even the newest Unbound that's LITERALLY updating the game with features from previous NFS titles this year. Crazy.

[@HeroManNick132]

Exactly. The problem is there are 2 types of NFS fans: 1. The classic NFS UG1-2/MW 2005 die hard stans, who refuse to accept anything beyond that and want the same formula over and over again. 2. The based gigachads who know what the true NFS was supposed to be like.

[@mar_caum7565]

I've played every nfs from hot pursuit onwards. Rivals is one of my favorites. Great map, great soundtrack, great gameplay. I'm always replaying it and calling friends to do so

[@onivlasbrony7432]

"[You] played every NFS 0:58 from Hot Pursuit onwards" ? Do you mean NFS III : Hot Pursuit (1998), NFS (6) Hot Pursuit 2 (2002) or NFS (16) Hot Pursuit (2010), which is the THIRD game called Hot Pursuit? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed

[@RageRaccoon]

i honestly kinda think this video is pretty shallow, with an antagonistic view on why players dislike these games. Didn't bring up the fact that this was the start of the 'break to drift' era of nfs, another thing that the series still hasn't recovered from. The entire era played like the burnout series, and it was made by the same team while, also killing the burnout franchise at the same time. I might piss people off by saying this but, if the super car era was called by a different name, then a lot of the hate would have been avoided entirely. One era is not worse than the other, they are both perfectly fine on their own, but because they are under the "nfs" title it automatically sets an expectation in players minds. You can't blame the players for going 'wtf man?' after being conditioned across 5 games and an entire console generation to expect more of the same. The distaste for super cars is simple. These cars so unobtainable in the real world, any fantasy of building out your dream car that you might actually own one day is gone. To buy these cars, it's not enough to just have the money, you have to “invited” to purchase these cars. But with all that said, this whole decades long nfs discourse could have been avoided if they just called it these games "Hot Pursuit" or something and dropped the nfs tag entirely. If most wanted 2012 was called "hot pursuit 3" then reception would have been much better. To my knowledge, there was nothing in the marketing to tell players that it wasn't a direct squeal. It's like being upset that you went to a burger convention with hotdogs and getting a stick up your ass that people are annoyed with you. It doesn't mean that everyone there hates hotdogs, its that there's an expectation. The ghost era of nfs i find kind of sad at this point. It's just chasing the past and never being able to match what players expect, because nostalgia goggles are one hell of a drug. Playing Heat and Unbound is like watching someone in their mid 30s having a crisis and trying to recapture the fun they had as a teen, or just not able to grow up and move on at all.

[@benn8793]

Yes, when you give a game a certain name, you should be prepared for people to have particular expectations. Simply saying that the players have "misunderstood" the game doesn't get us anywhere in the end...

[@ultraviolet_channel]

how could you call supercars irrelevant to need for speed when the series's first 6 entries and inception came from that very concept?

[@Imfloorlmao]

Did you even watch the video? Good lord

[@BigBlaze77]

The origins of Need for Speed in the first place was about racing the world’s latest sports cars in lavish landscapes and it was a commercial success… Your distaste for supercars point makes 0 sense when it denies the start of this series and why many people liked it.

[@avalanche450]

Just because you can’t obtain sports irl that doesn’t mean you can’t like them lmao. I’m pretty sure every car guy has a dream car that they can’t afford and they’d love to drive one irl and in a video game.