Brian Clough and Don Revie, October 1969

A brief clip of the post-match interview after Leeds United beat Derby County 2-0 in October 1969, the first league meeting between Don Revie and Brian Clough's teams. The animosity is already clear to see as Clough bemoans being "put through the Leeds machine."
David Coleman is asking the questions.

[@BillyBronco73]

Not once but twice Clough took average second tier English clubs to 1st division champions. Derby got to the semi-final of the European cup. Oh and Nottingham Forest won the European cup two years in succession. Clough's record speaks for itself. 1967 joins Derby in 2nd division. 1969 Derby promoted to 1st division. 1972 Derby 1st division champions. 1973 Derby semi-final of European cup. 1975 joins Nottingham Forest in 2nd division. 1977 Forest promoted. 1978 Forest 1st division champions. 1979 Forest European cup winners. 1980 Forest European cup winners. Unparalleled.

[@Bitterman97]

Mind you, cloughie says that the semi final against juventus was rigged so if he is right he might have done it with derby too which is mental to just even think about

[@edmundpower1250]

Clough without Taylor was crap Revie did it alone

[@BillyBronco73]

@@edmundpower1250 Revie did not work alone. Les Cocker was assistant manager to Revie for all his time at Leeds, England and even the UAE.

[@Lord_Hillcrest]

@@BillyBronco73 Les Cockers title was trainer/coach and played a far different role to Peter Taylor . Taylor was a scout/assistant manager .

[@leehogg6248]

@@edmundpower1250 I would have to disagree. Clough and Taylor were the best. Clough on his own was still a pretty successful manager with ideals about how football should be played which the rest of the footballing world should take note of. Looking at the terrible behaviour of players these days.

[@kisbie]

Any true football fan would know Revie is entitled to a position in the pantheon of managerial greats alongside Clough.

[@SMSJSC]

Absolutely - there is no doubt in my mind that Don Revie is among the top half-dozen club managers of all time in Britain - the others being (in my opinion, and in no particular order) - Stein, Shankly, Busby, Clough and (with some qualification) Ferguson.

[@robertbolder5319]

@@SMSJSC Surely you have to count Ferguson as a great manager in British football history. Also won trophies at Aberdeen before his 25 years at Man U.

[@SMSJSC]

@@robertbolder5319 I did! See above

[@mangofangoe315]

Revie's achievements pale in comparison to Clough's. Also, Revie Leeds didn't exactly play the most fascinating brand of football unlike Clough's.

[@leedsboy64]

@@SMSJSC Ferguson out and Paisley in then i agree

[@jackr5407]

2 of the Greatest managers of all time

[@timwalker2458]

Funny to read an argument between Leeds and Derby/Forrest fans from 1969. Not had much to argue about since.

[@johnwheatley5641]

That’s not true we had the Championship playoffs in 2019.

[@AH-be6bu]

Even less to argue about now we’re a league above them.

[@crupilad]

Both of them were great managers, Pay your respects to both

[@Edward1312]

Certainly in terms of English club managers they are both up there with the very best. Revie didn't do anywhere near as well with the national side and Clough of course didn't even get the chance.

[@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears]

'One day, we'll look back on this and laugh.........young man'.

[@rayvonn2891]

Excellent footage, really well done.

[@Josh-cm9jw]

I think because of the stages they were at in their managerial careers, they both misunderstood each other. Revie saw a young immature manager in Clough who did more talking than walking. Clough through his age, saw a man who had befriended the likes of Shankly and Busby and was part of the establishment, someone he had to go and topple. If we had caught Clough when he had more experience and maturity on his side, we’d have been unstoppable

[@danielbanks9589]

Clough had already won the league with Derby County at that stage, it wasn't about maturity, it was his constant criticism of Leeda

[@willleon9165]

@@danielbanks9589 this was in 1969 three years before Clough's first title

[@Johnpatrickleeds9]

Both middlesborough lads. Should have got on great.

[@joelthorpe4170]

@@peterkent1582 Both were head and heals above what Boro were at that time. Just because they came from Middlesbrough doesn't mean they had to manage them. One is respected more than the other in Middlesbrough also. There is statues of Clough in Middlesbrough, Revie doesn't get a mention.

[@johnfoster6765]

Middlesbrough

[@original.dwornboy]

@@joelthorpe4170 Simple answer. Revie never played for Middlesbrough whereas Clough not only played for The Boro but is their record post-war goalscorer.

[@joelthorpe4170]

@@original.dwornboy I dare to say the statue of Clough wouldn't be effected if he hadn't won what he did as a manager. We are proud of the fact he came from Boro and made so much of himself, hence why his statue is in the park he walked through and not at the stadium like Hardwick and Mannion, who are there because of their achievements with Middlesbrough FC.

[@cnote2458]

@@joelthorpe4170didn’t he score something like 200 league goals in 5-6 years ? If that alone doesn’t deserve a statue don’t know what else a player can do to get one lol

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

Clough looks so young. Almost like a boy.

[@chriswatson3464]

1990 He got injured midway through his football career, or their abouts. He started management earlier and managed players older than him. He might have been a good player again, if he didn't want to go into managing.

[@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears]

If you look at his snaps at Middlesbrough he basically looks like he should've been in a boy band or something! No wonder he was sure of himself...

[@Edward1312]

He looks like a boy because he was only 34 here but he had a seasoned pros mind, that's why he became such a great manager.

[@cianoaichir2725]

How proud Middlesbrough should be....two absolute giants of the game...fuck I'm not even from borough or England....but that's some achievement.... Clough though ...how far ahead of his time was that man....a legendary football manager....a great thinker....a commited socialist without prejudice.....a great man ,a really giant among men...what a great Yorkshire wife he was blessed with to tolerate his many personality's

[@vantheman1244]

Revie looked down his nose at Clough. Clough admired the man and looked up to him, however, Revie's behaviour embittered Clough, hence, the rivalry that came after and Clough's intense dislike of Revie and Leeds Utd. Only an opinion, I could be wrong.

[@waynemarshall8836]

Simon Moorcroft seems like someone's been watching the damned Utd on 123 movies

[@Ryan_Giggs97]

It is only opinion Wayne Marshall- it makes the world go round as Mr. Clough would say, young man.

[@mega5075]

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[@waynemarshall8836]

MEGA showbox has been done for ages....im pissed

[@mega5075]

@@waynemarshall8836 oh is it I use fmovies.wtf

[@nigefal]

Chalk and Cheese funny to watch. Clough getting his 'machine' dig in that was not lost on Revie.

[@Lord_Hillcrest]

He said that out of respect not a dig . Leeds were a machine , a finely oiled one at that , Clough was in awe of Revie.

[@lukas_jay243]

What a brilliant piece of footage, is this the full interview. Formidable football men there.

[@converse91970]

Great clip, never seen it before.

[@Edward1312]

All very friendly and cordial here with no obvious signs to me of the animosity that developed later.

[@alanberkeley7282]

Well I wouldn't say they were close friends but there wasn't the animosity that later developed.

[@kisbie]

Apparently they did at first. Whatever Clough's verdict of Revie it should be remembered that he did establish close friendships with the other great managers of the era.

[@bigknob881]

nice clip, never seeen this before

[@young321bookie]

God bless you always my friend! :)

[@jamesvickers5998]

Bit touchy old Don, isn't he? Fairly bristled at the machine comment.

[@raymondtonks6410]

A very jealous man cloughie the leeds machine were and still are one of the best teams this country has produced 👌 mot

[@jbo4547]

He was being complimentary...

[@china1china]

I knew you guys wanted to make-up all along. It's restored my faith in humanity. Maybe you should meet up for a pint or something....could be the start of a great friendship..!!!!

[@lukas_jay243]

You know the first person waiting for Bryan with St Pete at the gates was Mr Revie. Probably been reminiscing ever since Cloughie passed.

[@4-dman464]

Is Revie stood on a crate? Brian Clough looks 4 foot 2.

[@johnbarton3252]

That interview was made on the old standing terrace days, Clough is standing about 6 steps below Revie

[@alanberkeley7282]

I wouldn't suggest they were close friends in this video but there was no sign of the enmity that was to develop later on.

[@johnwheatley5641]

Revie was clearly pissed off by the “Leeds machine” comment though.

[@china1china]

and spacecowboy...there is no argument...in the famous 1974 interview...they were sitting...!!!

[@kisbie]

Reading Duncan Hamilton's book, it was fascinating to see that working with Brian Clough led Peter Taylor to become worse than Revie in his paranoia.

[@ppuh6tfrz646]

Did Clough get his teeth done later? He looks different.

[@Edward1312]

They both look more like accountants than football managers.

[@npc3po301]

No they look like football managers, Revie was the archetype much parodied, maybe you're only used to modern managers who look more like aftershave salesmen or yacht owners

[@Edward1312]

@@npc3po301 Not just football managers probably up there in the top ten English managers ever, the incongruity is the point that you seem to have missed.

[@silversteel6312]

Great man like Brian should of known to get out of his chair to conduct the interview

[@china1china]

Well I'm definately neutral and got a laugh at the antics of you two....I got on to this through the tv interview in 1974.....I thought they didnt like each other and there they were sitting together...maybe they had to for the interview....methinks......could be wrong though....

[@SMSJSC]

What the hell are you on about?

[@bremnersghost948]

Celebrity Death Match, Don Revie v Brian Clough

[@jon780249]

Came through ‘ the Leeds machine’. I wonder if Clough was hinting at something a little darker in Revie’s ‘management’, that only came to light much later.

[@mangofangoe315]

What do you mean?

[@johnwheatley5641]

@@mangofangoe315 Revie was accused of match fixing later in his career but the accusations were later proved to be unfounded.

[@npc3po301]

I think he was more refering to Leeds on the pitch (ahem..) 'physicality'

[@ysgol3]

As a neutral observer, I think lugwalder made a completely harmless and valid comment, ans spacecowboy's one of the millions of pricks that roam this land. Cheerio !!!

[@skababooshka]

i am scottish and the first thing i want to say is that Scotland is the mostelaborate country in the world . We can invent ingenios methods of making sure we dont reach the next stage. With regard to England why did the English FA Sack Sr Alf Ramsey Poland reached the semis after this the scots enjoyed their best period of results England except for 1975 3flukey goals but that is not the point why could sir alf not carry on till 82 that would be perfect period for Bobby Robson and why

[@dlamiss]

Lets say England had beaten Poland and qualified for Munich my best guess is they would have qualified for the second stage and bean knocked out. At that point Ramsey would have been persuaded to quit

[@677325]

looking back at interviews with Don Revie he is always humble about his team's success and respectful towards opposition players and managers, even towards clough who is acting like a complete prick.

[@677325]

oh really, is that why Sprake refused to repeat the allegation in a court and several wolves players confirmed the allegation was complete bull!

[@677325]

No I haven't, but the case was in court and it was found there was no evdience to answer and several wolves players testified that no attempt to bribe was made, thats the fact of the matter.

[@677325]

Oh really, can you give me any established facts to back that up? This was investigated by the police (who at the time treated football match fixing with severity) who found there was no evidence and it went through the court who not only found Bremner innocent they awared him £100,000 for deformation of character. Are you saying the police and court were in dennial? Plenty of match fixing allegations have been investigated and the characters involved were found guilty and convicted. In this instance the allegation was found not only false but malicious. Anyone can write something in a book they went to sell, particuarly footballers

[@677325]

Maybe take a geography lesson mate! Because it was the newspaper that printed the allegation not Sprake, they were sued and lost, Sprake refused to give his testimony in court.

[@677325]

You aren't making any arguments or giving any evidence, just repeating the same nonsense. If you think Clough is a better manger, thats fine thats your opinion mate. But to say definitively England would have won something under Clough is the epitome of delusion and shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the players and ability of england of this era

[@geronimo825]

Everyone young and old has heard of Brian Clough, not so with Din Revie. What did Don Revie win that Brian Clough didn’t? What did Brian Clough win that Don Revie didn’t? Brian Clough proved to be a more successful manager than Don Revie over time. Not saying both weren’t great managers but Cloughie left the game with a better record which suggests that the Leeds board were very hasty in buckling to pressure to sack him after 7 weeks… bad decision… what have Leeds achieved since Don Revie left? Not a lot in 50 years.

[@kisbie]

When Revie became England manager he left a club that had achieved nothing when he took over and which he had kept at the top for a decade. (By the way, Matt Busby and Bob Paisley only ever managed one club each as well.) Clough meanwhile was soon to be (justifiably) sacked for the second time in a year. He was never in the running for the England job at that time.

[@ysgol3]

@lugwalder Thanks lugwalder, I think spacecowboy's already dead isn't he ? He seems to have vanished anyway. Perhaps they don't allow computers in padded cells.

[@michaeljenkins7024]

Don't know where you've got that from?!

[@SMSJSC]

You don't know where who got what from?

[@rufusandburne]

Revie was scared to death of Cloughie.

[@asbjrnfjell2891]

Clough played Leeds/Revie 13 times during his time as manager of Derby County. Clough only won 2 of those games.. Leeds/Revie won 10! And that was the main reason why Clough hated Leeds/Revie.

[@Aerojet01]

At the time, Revie had an advantage over Clough because Leeds were already an established top flight side and Derby were up and coming, so the stats don't really give a true picture. Their football philosophies were completely different; Revie preferred a physically aggressive style of football and whereas Clough preferred discipline and fair play. This was the reason why they didn't get along!

[@mick6370]

+Wildfox01 Revie took over a struggling second division club there first season up in the first division Leeds lost the league only on goal division and were runners up in the FA Cup Final, if your good enough you win so being established as nothing to do with it.

[@Aerojet01]

mick lufc Top flight teams will always have the added advantage, especially the mighty Leeds side who were already a force at the time and had accumulated a lot of playing experience from their international players such as Norman Hunter, Jackie Charlton, Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Gordon McQueen etc.. You can have all the ability in the world, but if you don't have any experience, then you can't access your full potential. It must be said, that Leeds side is one of the greatest English football teams of all team. During the 64-65 season in the old first division you speak of, Leeds intimated a lot of sides with their all out aggressive style of football. Their game against Everton ended up in a mass brawl and the referee ordered the players off the field after 35 minutes to prevent further violence.

[@billybob7ful]

its amazing how jealous clough was of Revie

[@lukas_jay243]

He wasnt jealous. He was hungry. He wanted to achieve what Revie achieved yes, but disliked Leeds Utds methods.

[@garethdwright91]

Lukas_Jay It's quite obvious how obsessed with Revie and Leeds he was.

[@toneranger]

I think Revie was a class act.he had so much respect for his players. Clough was a bully plane and simple and had no respect for players or anyone else other than managers who won more awards than he and chairmen who could give him a job, as was proven at Leeds. He needed a team he could build from scratch push around and the vital support of Peter Taylor. RIP

[@ianboyd1984]

The greatest manager ever. Oh and Brian Clough

[@lifegoals9528]

Ian Boyd Brian Clough and the man who deserted England because of his greed and made his team end talented players' careers. A poor man's Howard Wilkinson (also crap) and Brian Clough. From a Villa fan.

[@dlamiss]

Leeds United won more trophies in the 10 years Revie managed them in division one than any other English team. to say Revie was a poor mans Howard Wilkinson is complete rubbish. BOTH were great managers

[@bramleydragon]

dlamiss didn't Wilkinson win the league with Leeds too? Yeah he must have been crap (rolls eyes).

[@garethdwright91]

Ian Boyd I like you. One Don Revie!

[@SMSJSC]

Completely disagree. Revie never looked down his nose at Clough at all. It was the other way round. I think Clough regarded Revie with a mixture of envy, fear (of his team) and dislike.

[@garethdwright91]

Too many people take all their information from the Damned United film which was horribly inaccurate. Don Revie gets a ridiculously bad rep and never gets the praise he deserves. Leeds don't care though.

[@cooliodee9033]

Cloutg called Revie a cold person in the interview after he been sacked at Leeds, there’s a segment in there that Revie nearly said that The Leeds bunch of players would be the best bunch he will ever have, which would of been pateionising.. the Damned United scene when Clough was in the Derby days expected to have a nice wine with Revie after the game maybe something of the lines true? In the aspect that Revie was a cold guy... however I do agree that a cloudy thought he was a big threat and Clough is highly competitive so the vibes might of been weird with both of them hence why they didn’t get on..

[@modernredeye]

Clough forever. How many times did Revie win the European Cup? Did he achieve success with more than one club? Our brilliant FA morons appointed Revie as England manager before Revie bailed out ahead of a sacking. All fans of football know who they prefer out of these two.

[@dlamiss]

Revie only managed one club so no he didnt

[@SMSJSC]

ALL fans? Taken a survey, have you? All fans will have an opinion, sure, but it won't necessarily be yours.

[@garethdwright91]

And Revie's Leeds team was competitive for a decade. The most successful English club during the years he was in charge. Brian Clough won the European Cup and retained it which is a fantastic achievement, but he couldn't keep Forest competitive after that, leading them on a downwards spiral until he eventually relegated them as a senile old drunk. Hardly ended on a high point either did he.

[@danielbanks9589]

Revie was the most successful manager in England at the time and the most consistent, that's why they appointed him

[@VantiveMan]

Leeds play good football." Dirty Leeds, Leeds machine means cheating fouling Dirty Leeds "chuck all your medals away with all yer pots and pans, cause you won em by cheating